Nat attacks on Ardern reach new low

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1. tc 1

   12 September 2017 at 6:56 am

   If only more of these intellectual dwarfs that pass for national MP’s would get into this campaign like Simon.

   Show the people what really makes up the national party. C’mon Paula, Maggie, Melissa etc people are ready for the female view as they’ve got bill and Simons.
   • Sanctuary 1.1

     12 September 2017 at 7:13 am

     Lets face it with the Nats. If they aren’t selling out for filthy lucre to the Godless Chinese communist party, they are busy hawking their souls to the great sky fairy. It is a sort of capitalism, I guess. One where they get to sell their integrity – which is why they are in National in the first place.
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 1.2

     12 September 2017 at 8:50 am

     Didn’t Paula give beneficiaries body bags and tell them to ‘zip it’ sweetie?
   • Psycho Milt 1.3

     12 September 2017 at 10:10 am

     If only more of these intellectual dwarfs that pass for national MP’s would get into this campaign like Simon.

     Unfortunately, most in National get the idea that saying what they actually think will tip voters off to the fact that they’re obnoxious dim bulbs. O’Connor must be unusually deficient in intellect even for National.
2. ScottGN 2

   12 September 2017 at 6:59 am

   A little foray by Joyce and Bennett, just to see what might be possible?
3. Sanctuary 3

   12 September 2017 at 7:06 am

   Simon O’Connor is a fully trained but un-ordained Catholic priest.

   He is just a bit more honest than the rest of the the bigoted religious right that infest the National party, starting with the boss Bill and Mary English who are also full-on retard Catholics.

   BTW, for all those journos constantly repeating the “strong and stable moderate” Bill English line, try this for a read –

   http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/08/bill-english-the-forgotten-history/

   Including Bill English’s attempts to de-fund abortion when he was minister of health.

   And as Jonathan Pie points ought, we ought to be grateful for Simon O’Connors honesty in being a hard right Catholic bigot – now people who vote National know who they are voting for…
   • joe90 3.1

     12 September 2017 at 9:29 am

     Another typical iniquity produced by the reforms was the case of 64-year-old Rau Williams, who died of renal failure a few weeks after being denied treatment. Likely to have lived another few years with dialysis treatment, doctors at Whangarei Hospital decided his numerous other ailments disqualified him from further treatment and sent him home to die.

     English would rather voters forget all about Rau Williams.

     http://www.bmj.com/content/318/7194/1346
     • greywarshark 3.1.1

       12 September 2017 at 1:12 pm

       Jonathan Pie should be the chosen type for throwing at any unpopular and lying politician. Each morsel of it comes out fighting! He’s saying what I am thinking in a portion of every day.
   • Heather Grimwood 3.2

     12 September 2017 at 10:21 am

     To Sanctuary at 3: Consider well the large Labour- voting proportion of Catholic voters !
     Better to class O’Connor as a reactionary type who happens to be Catholic.
     ( I am not Catholic, but worry about bigotry wherever it comes from).
     O’Connor certainly took up and seemingly wrongly embellished for his /National’s own ends Jacinda’s comments on suicide.
   • Tuppence Shrewsbury 3.3

     13 September 2017 at 6:28 am

     And yet Christianity is more successful and has done more good than any form of socialism.

     Go figure
     • Jeremy 3.3.1

       14 September 2017 at 1:14 pm

       Thank you once again for highlighting your prejudice. Can you provide any data to back up the assertion that Christianity “has done more good than any form of socialism”?
4. Incognito 4

   12 September 2017 at 7:40 am

   Simon O’Connor knows full-well the difference but for those who don’t here are a couple of etymology links:

   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suicide
   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/euthanasia

   Please note that there is no overlap between the two words; suicide is not a synonym of euthanasia and euthanasia is not a synonym of suicide.
   • Ross 4.1

     12 September 2017 at 8:24 am

     Even David Seymour, for all his faults, knows the difference and has called O’Connor a dick.

     One of the main differences between suicide and euthanasia (or assisted suicide) is that many of those who are committing suicide are young. I am not aware that there are droves of terminally ill young people wanting the State’s assistance to die. Its mostly older people who want that option. To compare the two and say they are one and the same is dishonest.
     • Ross 4.1.1

       12 September 2017 at 8:29 am

       Assisted dying is more accurate than assisted suicide. Seymour has a private member’s bill before parliament which would legalise assisted dying.
5. One Anonymous Bloke 5

   12 September 2017 at 8:20 am

   If they don’t go any lower then this before the 23rd it’s because they lack the imagination.

   The Brethren influence is showing again.
   • simonm 5.1

     12 September 2017 at 2:07 pm

     And the Brethren can supply National with bottomless tax-free funding.

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11883740
6. Marcus Morris 6

   12 September 2017 at 8:49 am

   I know that, in this secular age, discussing a person’s religion might be considered bad form but there was a photo published a year or so ago depicting National “inner circle”. I think I am correct in saying that the only non RC was John Key himself. The rest were St Bedes Old Boys (including Peter Dunne) apart from Steven Joyce who is a self confessed “lapsed Catholic. The “State Aid for Private Schools” battle was lost long ago and private schools continue to get healthy subsidies. However, and as a balancing comment, it needs to be remembered that New Zealand’s greatest Prime Minister was Michael Joseph Savage, a devout Roman Catholic who certainly brought Christian values to government.
   • garibaldi 6.1

     12 September 2017 at 9:02 am

     Interesting information MM. Thank you.
     In what is meant to be a secular state it concerns me very much that people, who are basically “religious bastards”, use their bloody church connections to inflict their warped convictions on the rest of us without revealing their religious motives.
   • mac1 6.2

     12 September 2017 at 9:47 am

     In this Parliament there were six MPs who were St Bede’s Old Boys- Gerry Brownlee, Peter Dunne, Clayton Cosgrove, Damien O’Connor, David Carter, Matt Doocey.

     What is interesting is that one school provided 5% of current MPs. The motto of
     St Bede’s College is “Fide et Opere” which translates as “By faith and by work”. In other words, ‘good works’ are as important as your faith. This precept was taught and forms a basis for social action. Four of the six became Labour MPs at first. (disclaimer- I am an old boy of St Bede’s, known as the ‘class communist’. Three of my parents’ four sons stood for political candidacy, all unsuccessfully. The common cause was social justice, fairness, a call to serve.)

     MJ Savage characterised socialism as “Christianity in action.” He was right, and still should be, come 23/9.
     • Adrian 6.2.1

       12 September 2017 at 10:35 am

       Spot on Mac1. There probably wouldnt have been a Labour Party if not for RC influence as the bedrock was West Coast Irish and the desire for social equity and the implementation of christian tenets in the treatment of others.
     • Marcus Morris 6.2.2

       12 September 2017 at 1:33 pm

       My apologies Mac1. Bill English attended St Patrick’s College in Siverstream. I should have checked. I also note that he boarded at Selwyn College in Dunedin. This is an Anglican student Hostel so his background is fairly catholic. I am not a Roman Catholic but am married to one (not devout I have to say) and I think that it is widely acknowledged that the RC church here and Australia has had a strong Irish influence under-pinning it. Given the social background of Ireland in the nineteenth and early twentieth century it is not surprising that its membership would have been anti-establishment although many of the early Labour Parliamentarians came from the UK and almost certainly from working class backgrounds. An interesting discussion but a bit “off topic”. Sorry. PS. Pity there were not more Quakers walking the corridors of power.
       • mac1 6.2.2.1

         12 September 2017 at 3:51 pm

         Funnily enough, that’s what I became,MM; though I tried I never got to walk in those corridors of power. There is still enough opportunity though to “speak truth to power” outside Parliament. Marian Hobbs was the only Quaker I knew of getting into our Parliament.

         One of the spin-offs of a Catholic education is a sense of social conservatism that most of our Catholic boys in the House seem not to have shed. This of course came out in Simon O’Connor’s remarks. For a man with four degrees and the logical training of a priest, he seems to have fallen easily into logical fallacies. Not a man for counting angels, obviously.

         It’d be interesting to find out who was raised Catholic in the House and how many have lapsed- what I call ‘slipped Micks”.
   • Frida 6.3

     12 September 2017 at 10:27 am

     Yes. In my days in the public service, it was well known that the front bench were the Catholic Mafia
7. Ad 7

   12 September 2017 at 9:25 am

   All National’s counterattacks reinforce media time back to Jacinda. It is spectacularly counterproductive.
8. Darth smith 8

   12 September 2017 at 9:34 am

   Nact desperation and after 9 years they resort to outlandish lies and criminal vandalism what a sad end to government that been in office for 9 years
9. Michael who failed Civics 9

   12 September 2017 at 11:48 am

   At least Bill English told O’Connor to wind his neck in – eventually. An indication that the Nats are not totally without scruple.
   • Darth smith 9.1

     12 September 2017 at 11:50 am

     Only because the guy sounded like a fuk wit
   • Stuart Munro 9.2

     12 September 2017 at 12:25 pm

     It was a cheap play – he was probably trying to avoid a backlash from his no-show at the suicide event. His ‘scruples’ were not troubled by Joyce’s lie.
10. Ant 10

    12 September 2017 at 4:52 pm

    O’Connor now calling response to his revulsive comment “shrill”, – implying over-reactive high pitched hysteria. A comfortable but predictive ploy attempting to trivialise an appalling statement.
11. Once was Tim 11

    12 September 2017 at 7:47 pm

    Ew. Seriously EW!
    There goes a staunch Kethlik who’s only greater God is the search for power and Neshnool Party ideology. Even the bloody Pope is questioning followers such as the ‘HE Simon – and for that matter the Bill’
    Just as there are those in other cultures and religions aligned with Natzi religion that seems to trump the primary values they claim as their religious label. Faith quite obviously comes at a cost and is up for sale these days. I find it hard to understand the Bling’s claim to Catholisism, just as I do a Singh Bakshi’s claim to Sikhism. (The latter I know swans around various temples and has some campaign to have a right to carry the Kirpan, but all the while abrogating all/almost every other Sikh value.) Again …. Ew!
    Actually, the more I think about it, and in the context of all other NZ Sikhs suffering here: ew e w E W! Really. EW!!!! fucking EW! Throw em a crumb or two eh Bakshi? and maybe one day they’ll get PR and vote for You – the Almighty. In the meantime just go ahead and fight for the symbolic right to carry the Kirpan – rather than an actual right to live and eat.
    But then why not eh? Greed is good, all is commodified and a monetary value (completely unaligned to a free-market) is assingend.
    But yes, in the case of that muppet Simon ……. EWWWWWW!
    I’m waiting for the Catholic Church heirarchy to make a statement, but I fear it’ll be as piss weak as chastising child abuser Priests sent off to the Pacific Iles as a form of pennance, but to further abuse little Island Bois that didn’t really matter on account of their having dark skin. But …. Simon???? You were saying????? We’re waiting (and probably waiting and waiting)

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