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Nats step to the right with ACT

Written By: - Date published: 3:52 pm, November 16th, 2008 - 103 comments
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As we predicted, National has used a confidence and supply agreement with ACT as a vehicle for its true right-wing agenda.

National has given a wide range of concessions to ACT, far more than is necessary to gain ACT’s already pledged support. Together, they amount to a far more rightwing policy program than National promised.

Here’s a summary (full version here):

Hide to be Minister of Local Government and Regulatory Control (= fewer controls on business, less public input). Roy to be Minister of Consumer Affairs (like appointing Paris Hilton to teach at a finishing school).

Life sentences for people with three serious convictions (what ‘serious’ is we don’t know). In California, this law has seen the prison population explode while crime rate reduction has been in line with falling rates in states without such laws.
The Emissions Trading Scheme will be suspended until ACT gets to have a review under its terms of reference, which are designed to have the ETS scrapped and preferably not replaced or replaced with a carbon tax. National and ACT opposed a carbon tax in 2004, it is just a delaying tactic.
“Task Forces that include private sector representatives and private sector chairs to undertake fundamental reviews of all base government spending. A focus of this work should be on elimination programmes* that do not deliver value for money”. Value for money being decided by the rich ‘advisors’ National/ACT appoints to carry out the review. I wonder how much value for money they will see in poverty relief.
Cap expenditure on government services by law. Which would prevent the Government responding to new policy challenges without cutting existing programmes. That will be a problem for National, it has already promised programs requiring thousands more public servants. It will mean the new prisons National/ACT will build will need to take money from other areas, like health.
Flatter tax. That means any future tax cuts will go exclusively to the wealthy. Most people will get nothing.
Further weakening of the RMA.
More money for private education = less for public education because expenditure is capped.

Your work rights will be attacked too. National/ACT releases this is sensitive so they’ve disguised their plan with coded language.

National/Act agree to close the ‘income gap’ between Australia and NZ by 2025, requiring ‘3% productivity growth per year’. Which is just economic techno-babble. What ‘income gap’ are they talking about? GDP per capita or wages or what? And how would a faster rate of productivity growth close this gap? Anyone who knows what productivity is (the amount of wealth produced in a unit of work) knows that merely increasing productivity doesn’t necessarily boost GDP or wages. GDP = productivity x work done. So, GDP not only depends on productivity it also depends on how many people are in work. And boosting productivity doesn’t lead automatically to higher wages – wages are determined by supply and demand in the labour market, nothing to do with productivity. In fact, productivity grows faster when employment drops because it’s the low quality workers that lose their jobs first and lower quality capital that sits idle first, but wages don’t go up because there is more slack in the labour market.

So, why this rubbish statement? The following paragraph gives the answer. National/ACT will establish “a high quality advisory group to investigate the reasons for the recent decline in New Zealand’s productivity performance”. New Zealand has grown faster than Australia and other countries in recent years. Overall, our productivity growth has been slower in recent years at about 1.5% than in past years (2.5%) but for a very good reason. Our economy has grown so fast that it has sucked in lower quality labour and capital, which brings down the average (if you look at just workers who have been in the labour force continuously for the past seven years their productivity has continued to increase at about 2.5%). Any first year economics student should understand this. So, what do National/ACT expect their ‘high quality’ (ie private sector) advisors to recommend? They’ll say work rights are the problem – that weakening workers’ rights is the way to boost productivity and, thereby, wages. It’s all rubbish of course. Just like ‘trickle down’ in the 1990s, the effect will be lower wages and lower GDP growth.

Is this the change that you felt it was time for? 

*(yeah, that’s right, National and ACT’s grammar problems have continued from their campaign ads to their official agreements. There are more grammar mistakes in the education section)

103 comments on “Nats step to the right with ACT”

  1. Tigger 1

    How much of this hard right subtext will be lost as the media rush to crown Key the champion of democracy? Answer: most of it.

    Oh well New Zealand, don’t say that some of us didn’t tell you so…

  2. “Flatter tax. That means any future tax cuts will go exclusively to the wealthy. Most people will get nothing.”

    What a crock of scare-mongoring rubbish! The deal is looking at working towards lowering the top tax rates to 30%. That will benefit everyone who earns more than $40,000. It will effect MOST people directly and EVERYONE indirectly as it impacts the economy.

    As if wealthy = $40k! What planet are you on where $40k makes you rich!?!? Try living in Auckland on that with a family.

    The tax range will still span 12.5% through to 30%. It is not remotely flat tax. Besides, flat tax still means that those who earn more pay more because it is based on a percentage (heaven forbid people get treated equally!).

    I realise that this might be difficult to grasp but I am sure Wikipedia could break it down for you.

    [Mad. do the maths, who gets most ff the benefit if you cut the current tax system to one with a top rate of 30 cents? Clue, it’s not the people on $40K. SP]

  3. Rex Widerstrom 3

    There’s good and bad in the agreement, Steve. I like the fact that it’s set down a goal of raising productivity by at least 3% a year, and to focus on reasons why our performance has recently declined, for instance.

    But you’ve highlighted many of the negatives. What especially concerns me from a personal perspective is the whole “three strikes” nonsense. Even if we assume “serious” will not have the meaning ascribed to it by some of the SST’s supporters and will actually mean serious, if I commit three (admittedly scary) armed robberies with a water pistol and harm not a hair on anyone’s head I go to jail for life whereas if you stab your ex partner multiple times in a fit of jealous rage then, providing it’s your first or second offence, you’ll eventually get out.

    Even DPF is worried about David Garrett at this early stage, and there seems no doubt that inclusion of the clause that says that gets referred to a Select Committee is payoff to him and the SST for their support of Act. It’s equally certain that they’ll be extremely vocal in garnering support for the Bill in its present form…and that that will resonate with a large proportion of New Zealanders who haven’t stopped to research the issue.

  4. RedLogix 4

    Now that Mr Hide is Minister of Local Govt, lets take a quick peek at ACT Party policy in this area:

    Local governments need to change, and to do so quickly.

    And this is what they have in mind:

    * Local government will be required to shed its commercial activity, thereby eliminating the need to separate regulatory and commercial functions between local and regional councils.
    * Roads and piped water will be supplied on a fully commercial basis.
    * Abolish the local government power of general competency.
    * Require councils to focus on their core functions.
    * Ensure there is much greater scrutiny of regulations that undermine property rights.
    * Promote contracting out of many council services.
    * Lower the cost of complying with the Resource Management Act and other regulatory regimes.
    * Review the two-tier structure of local government.

    Of course this list of bullet points could mean anything in practise, but there are two things that absolutely stick out like the proverbial dog’s whatsits:

    1. The shedding of all activities they define as “commercial”

    2. The defining of roading and water as “commercial”.

    Bear in mind that 90% of all roads in the country are owned and serviced by local govt. ACT policy is to sell it all off to the private sector.

    Bear in mind that all privatisation of all natural monopoly infrastructure services, such as water supply, has resulted poorer services, increased prices and asset stripping. Now you get to soak in it.

    Now while National have promised not to sell any State owned assets in it’s first term, local govt roading and water supply assets are not technically speaking State assets. Which of course is the perfect weasel out.

    And while a Key led National minority govt is not beholden to implement every clause of ACT policy, appointing Hide as Minister of Local Govt demands collective Cabinet Responsibility in this portfolio. So while ACT cannot attack the govt in areas where they share portfolio responsibility, equally National is not in a position to attack ACT in the same area.

    In essence by appointing Hide as Minister of Local Govt, National has largely abdicated Government policy regarding Local Govt to the ACT Party.

    ACT policy states: Local governments need to change, and to do so quickly.

    A mass sell off of roading and water assets is a radical hard-right policy. Few New Zealanders would have voted last week for that. This incoming govt will attempt to ram this through as quickly as possible.

  5. Pete 5

    I find your rhetoric quite amazing. The pejorative terms used to describe parts of the agreement which clearly still need fleshing out before we can get a good handle on whether it is good or bad indicate to me that no matter what good outcomes derive from the agreement, you will be unable to see them. As for your limited understanding of productivity and the rational you provide for productivity increases (ie the supply and demand for labour) I respectfully suggest you go back and retake Economics 101. It seems to me you are locked into old and outdated paradigms that no longer have any relevance. Your response is driven by fear and ignorance not by any objective reality. The government for the last 9 years has absolutely failed to deliver any meaning full improvements in health, education, or employment. And please don’t quote lowered unemployment rates. We all know what a crock these are, with people being actively diverted onto sickness benefits. Just look at the explosion in this area.
    Frankly, I would rather give this lot a go than continue with the same sanctimonious, authoritarian, patronising bunch. Reading this blog it is apparent to me that you just haven’t cottoned on yet to why this election was won and lost.

    IrishBill: It seems you don’t understand basic economics, pete. Productivity is a measure of inputs to outputs. It is quite possible to increase productivity while decreasing outputs, if fact that’s what happened in the 1990’s where wages and investment in capital fell. The result was not good for our economy or our society. You also need to check your stats on the sickness benefit instead of regurgitating right-wing fibs. I suggest you start here.

  6. Quoth the Raven 6

    Any illusions that National was somehow going to be a centrist government should now be gone. A lot of the so-called centrist’s round here like Higherstandard (right wing troll masquerading as a centrist) will do some mental gymnastics to defend all this.

  7. gingercrush 7

    I don’t see it being much towards the right at all nor will the general public. Hence why any points you made were simplistic, inherently wrong and out of touch. This won’t worry anyone that voted National nor do I think it will scare Labour supporters.

  8. RedLogix 8

    Gingercrunch,

    If as Min of Local Govt, Hide implements his Party’s policy to:

    Roads and piped water will be supplied on a fully commercial basis.

    which can only mean the privatisation of both of these services.

    This means that some corporate, probably owned offshore, will own, operate and charge you for the use of almost all roads and footpaths.

    Every drop of water you use will be charged for by it’s private providers.

    If you think this is centrist policy, then how about letting us in on some real hard core right wing policies? I’d love to know.

  9. gingercrush 9

    You don’t understand legislation do you..

  10. Greg 10

    “This means that some corporate, probably owned offshore, will own, operate and charge you for the use of almost all roads and footpaths.

    Every drop of water you use will be charged for by it’s private providers.”

    red – Yup and if this policy were to be implemented we’d get roads and water cheaper too. You seem to be under the illusion that if they’re state funded we don’t have to pay for them. Any privitisation means lower taxes. Given the superior efficiency of the private sector this means more money in everyones pockets. Win win?

  11. John BT 11

    A National Act coalition with a right wing agenda? O my God! I am shocked!
    Selling off the roads ? Give me a break. Someone needs to check their medication.
    That nice man Mr Key has not even been properly crowned and people are already picking on him.

  12. bill brown 12

    Privatisation means for profit.

    That means if it isn’t profitable to supply water to your tap, there won’t be any.

    Just like the privatised electricity industry running the lakes dry so they could make huge profits during the Nat’s latest faux electricity shortage.

  13. TimeWarp 13

    JohnBT…

    Not necessarily a surprise, but not what Key campaigned on.

    But God forbid that anyone question a hidden agenda in advance.

  14. gingercrush 14

    Greg sorry but that analogy doesn’t work. Most low income workers barely pay tax now. So full user pay which is what Red suggests will happen (I completely disagree), means low income workers could pay zero tax and yet to pay full costs for roading and water will become essentially unaffordable.

    Hence, why this document Act and National released never points to that, nor will it happen and any suggestions that it will is only scaremongering by the extreme left. The agreement between National and Act and ministerial responsibilities does not point to Act’s policy in this regard. The left here believe it does. Why they come to such a conclusion is petty and ignorant, but the left have shown no willingness to be open to anything National will do. So while they scream National is going to the right, the world is doomed etc etc. Most people will be perfectly relaxed with such an agreement. You’ll see that the extreme left’s next step in their thinking process is to attack the mass-media. This is due to them believing that the mass-media are completely bias towards the right and are not independent. Such thought is pathetic. But that is how these people think.

  15. Kerry 15

    What else did one expect when dolts were elected in this new government!!!

    Only the worst kind of delusional ape would think Keys and his mob would give a shit about everyday New Zealanders…

    George W all over again……Keys a George W wannabe….they obviously have the same speech writer…..dah bah ah bah dahhhhhhh

    [lprent: probable troll? No points]

  16. RedLogix 16

    Yup and if this policy were to be implemented we’d get roads and water cheaper too.

    Yeah, like the commercialisation of Transrail, Telecom, the Electricity industry, and endless similar examples from all over the world… all led to cheaper prices?

    It never has. What it has resulted in is poorer services, asset stripping, run down maintenance and higher prices. And when the business fails, as they do from time to time (the notion of a free market necessarily implies business failure)… then because we cannot do without the service, the taxpayer is ripped off a second and third time by having to buy back a rundown asset that requires huge cash injections to restore it to functioning again.

    Only very young men, and aged ideologs still believe the propaganda lie that the private sector is ALWAYS more efficient than the public sector.

  17. Graeme 17

    Life sentences for people with three serious convictions (what ‘serious’ is we don’t know)

    Well, the law’s been drafted here, so you should be able to figure it out. Murder, rape, serious assault, smacking your kids … that sort of thing.

    [lprent: Fixed the link so that it works. Have a look at this to find out how to do them cleanly]

  18. RedLogix 18

    The agreement between National and Act and ministerial responsibilities does not point to Act’s policy in this regard.

    That was my first reaction too. But do you imagine that after spending so many years in Opposition, and when Hide is going to finally get his butt into a Ministerial limo, that he his going to be content to footle about implementing National party policy?

    Why accept the portfolio if you are not going to do anything? Key only committed to not selling state assets. Most roading and water assets are not state owned. There is nothing in the agreement limiting Hide’s potential agenda either.

    Still I am interested to see you admit that by merely pointing out ACT Party policy direct from their website I am ‘scaremongering’.

  19. bill brown 19

    “…smacking your kids ”

    Even if it’s done in a loving way?

  20. bill brown 20

    What’s with this sudden inrush of Act trolls?

    Were the photon torpedoes primed in advance?

  21. gingercrush 21

    Your scaremongering because you IMPLY that is going to happen.

    As for you bill brown. From what I have seen most of the people you could possibly be referring to are centre-right supporters but that doesn’t point to them being a supporter of Act. Also none of us are trolls and each are here I suspect independently. We just happen to have a different view than you lot. A difference of opinion is not trolling. Trolling is insulting people or deliberately getting a ride out of others by attacking them. I think you’ll find that is mostly done by a few here with left views.

    “An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.” – Indiana University Knowledge Base.

    I don’t see many people who are centre-right as doing such things.

  22. John BT 22

    Gee whiz, wasnt it Helen Clark who sold Telecom? I wonder if any comments she made affected its share price. The govt owned power companies returned over $450,000,000 to taxpayers last year but labour still did not renationalise them.
    Anybody who thinks the public sector could ever,ever be as productive as the private is either insane or a public servant. Or both.

  23. bill brown 23

    JBT, I think you may want to take your attempts at redirection somewhere else. Most people here have heard them all before, over and over and over again, yawn.

    GCrush, you talk too much and say too little

  24. MikeE 24

    “Life sentences for people with three serious convictions (what ‘serious’ is we don’t know). In California, this law has seen the prison population explode while crime rate reduction has been in line with falling rates in states without such laws.”

    Yes we do, the crimes are specifically listed, and include only violent offences. The judge must warn criminals when convicted of their 2nd offence after conviction, and it is not retrospective.

    I don’t see how ANYONE could argue against this.

    Also – Labour supports the introduction of a productivity commission, well at least Hon Lianne Dalziel did the last time I spoke to her.

  25. RedLogix 25

    Anybody who thinks the public sector could ever,ever be as productive as the private is either insane or a public servant. Or both.

    Are you not forgetting about all those highly productive private sector banks that are in the process of destroying uncountable trillions of dollars of wealth as we speak?

    Your scaremongering because you IMPLY that is going to happen.

    Well it is there right on ACT’s website. Roads and piped water will be supplied on a fully commercial basis.

    Not partially commercialised, or part owned, or operationally contracted out. The phrase used is ‘fully commercialised’. That means selling it off 100% to a private owner. If you have any other interpretation I invite you to offer it for consideration.

  26. TimeWarp 26

    Diversion JohnBT.

    Simplistic half-truth statements, throwing of brickbats, avoidance of debate.

    In fact typical of the slogan-based rhetoric without any fundamenal ideas and ability to engage in a discussion.

  27. TimeWarp 27

    MikeE

    Even if you don’t argue against it – which one might, but I shan’t – does it fix the supposed current crime wave?

    How much crime (what proportion) is committed by the individuals the law will apply to?

    A slogan-based bandaid is what it is. Whether it has merits (or not) in itself, standing alone the policy is a meaningless piece of granstanding. It does nothing to either address the causes of crime overall, or redress the symptoms.

  28. John BT 28

    Golly gosh, I point out that labour sold assets and that is a diversion or redirection or simplistic. Thank goodness I did not mention that the train set Dr Sullen bought has already lost $250,000,000 this year or Air NZ has lost $900,000,000 over the last year. That would probably be right wing propaganda.
    The way things currently are is …. its about the stupid economy stupid.
    So who do you trust and who will most people vote for .
    O thats right. Its that nice Mr Key

  29. Chris G 29

    Madeleine:

    “As if wealthy = $40k! What planet are you on where $40k makes you rich!?!? Try living in Auckland on that with a family.”

    Well… as much as you might think the top tax rate people are in large number and have things tough…. Try asking the 70% of New Zealanders who earn LESS than $40000.

    Got any sympathy for them?

    Oh na, thats right, tories dont care about them.

    Madeleine seems to suggest all of new zealand is in the top tax bracket

  30. TimeWarp 30

    You’re flailing around John, without making any coherent point or strategy.

    Are you, for example, suggesting that we should have let the national flag carrier fail? What would our current Minister of Tourism make of that? Should Bolger and Richardson then likewise have let the BNZ fail?

    These are just a couple of questions, I could go on at length but there is little substance in what you say to respond to directly.

  31. Chris G 31

    John BT,

    Got any evidence showing an astonishing $900 million loss for airnz in the last year?

    But thats besides the point… You conveniently neglect the fact that the government bought 80% in AirNZ in 2001 when after a decade of being a free market enterprise it bombed out!! Shares in it were worth 32 cents!!

    Was it therefore a poor idea to rescue our national carrier?

    Good point John!

  32. Chris G 32

    Of particular interest to me is the success thus far of Keys crusade to slash red tape and put a clamp on ‘core public bureaucracy’

    Already we have seen a new ministry created – Infrastructure

    and we have created a minister who will no doubt have his own ‘bureaucrats’ tagging round with him: A minister of Regulatory reform!

    But I thought tories dont like big government?

  33. I have massive sympathy for anyone on a low income Chris G.

    First of all I will point out that a $40k income does not put you in the top tax bracket. It puts you at 33% (well you have to add $1), the top tax bracket is 39%.

    I lived 6 years as a solo mother on the DPB with an income that ranged from $13k to $18k and spent another 5 years living on $20k per year on student scholarships while my husband studied with 4 kids and through Dunedin winters at that. Living hand to mouth sucks.

    However, I think you were so choking on rich envy hastily making assumptions that I have no idea and cannot empathise that you failed to note my point was that $40k is not “wealthy”; the claim that “tax cuts will go exclusively to the wealthy” is false.

    Yes $40k is an improvement on $13k and on $20k and on the average wage but it is not wealthy. Especially if you have dependants to support and you live in a main centre.

    You are kidding yourselves if you think “tories” are all rich pricks. I voted right wing when I was on the DPB.

  34. gingercrush 34

    They don’t typically but there are still a number of Muldoon type supporters in the National party. I think the creation of an Infrastructure ministry is worthwhile. Sure in implementing it, that creates more public bureaucracy. But its generally a principle to say that they won’t hire more than necessary. Though the agreement with Act may point to cutting of public servants. But we’ll see I guess.

    One thing I do have to criticise the National party and their agreements with the Maori Party, Act and United Future is their sheer vagueness. I expected more detail with the election over but sometimes Key seems to still be in campaign mode. These agreements all seem to have much leeway for the National party. Seems to be many statements with, “we will review”, “we will have a look” etc etc etc. I just expected more detail and I think there is a possibly that how they are written could cause friction. To review something is fine, but surely if you’re the Maori party you will the Foreshore Bill to be removed. United Future surely in the future wants more than just a first reading for Income splitting and Act may want more hard-right agenda. And because of how all three are set out it means National can say, “Its in our agreement” and leave it at that.

    The way policies were written and these agreements suggest that National is likely to be more adaptive to public sentiment than Helen Clark was. May be good for the left, but then it means less clarity in governance. That I can’t find a good thing.

  35. Pixie 35

    “Even if we assume “serious’ will not have the meaning ascribed to it by some of the SST’s supporters and will actually mean serious.”

    I’m not sure what you base this statement on. I think you’ll find that SST’s primary focus is on the sentencing of serious violent offenders. Its constituents tend to be the victims of recidivist violent offenders, many of whom are on bail or parole at the time.

  36. Scalia 36

    I hope that the government act quickly to overturn all the human rights abuses your employers inflicted on this country.

    [lprent: *Sigh* Looks like another troll. I suggest that you read the Policy. If you’re just here to drop hackneyed lines without participating, and I could probably write a program that does the lines more coherently and with more intelligence – then I consider you a troll. Trolls do not last long here.]

  37. Chris G 37

    Madeleine,

    No I’m not envious of the rich, both my parents are in the top tax bracket.

    Your original comment to ‘Flatting tax = cuts for wealthy’ was that it was a:

    “crock of scare-mongoring rubbish”

    However when I pointed out that 70% of New Zealanders earn less than 40K it seems that it may not be rubbish after all. Instead you thought you’d combat that statistic by saying that I call all tories ‘rich pricks’, Interesting….

    You went on to suggest in your original comment:

    “The deal is looking at working towards lowering the top tax rates to 30%. That will benefit everyone who earns more than $40,000. It will effect MOST people directly and EVERYONE indirectly as it impacts the economy.”

    That, Madeleine, is trickle down theory and its a crock of shit.

  38. Pascal's bookie 38

    Ginger, I’m interested to hear that there are still Muldoonists in the National party. Are you talking about the rank and file, or MP’s? If the latter, got any names?

    I also find the vagueness annoying, but not surprising. I infer from what you say, (and correct me if I’m wrong) that you assume that this is the National party retaining control of the agenda by simply promising reviews that won’t amount to anything.

    If that is true, then the coalition will fail rather spectacularly I think. It’s not like these issues are side issues for the minor parties. If they get nothing from them but National party policy, (or the status quo), then what are they getting in return for C and S? Just the baubles of office. United Future will be happy with that, but the others not so much.

    Given that they have Ministerial warrants, and given that there are no (public) deals on policy within those portfolios, why shouldn’t we look to the Minister’s party policy for clues as to what policy is for that portfolio? The only other option is to assume that these people have all just signed a blank cheque to National, who is planning on shafting them, and destroying any future goodwill. That seems unlikely to me. Instead I think that these reviews are likely to favour the Ministers’ views over National’s, and that ACT will get more than the mP.

  39. Oh my,

    Was it only a week ago that I said that under JK everything would be sold off to the highest bidder. LOL.

    And this is only the beginning. That nice Mr. Key eh, and what’s more they let their dogs of the leash doing their dirty work for them.

    Well done. Are you ready for this? How about paying toll every time you want to go the nearest village or if due to the financial hardship because of the financial collapse you can’t pay for your water bill. What you gonna do? You will die within three days if you don’t have water.

    This what Noam Chomsky has to say about privatisation:

    “Privatisation does not mean you take a public institution and give it to some nice person. It means you take a public institution and give it to an unaccountable tyranny.”

    Maybe the NZ National voting suckers will wake up when we will have to have water riots like in Bolivia in order to have access to the most vital element for survival.

    The next drought means in capitalist terms there is an increase in demand. In other words: Let’s charge the suckers a bundle. FFS. How stupid can you get.

    Oh, and Enron/Merrill Lynch anyone?

  40. gingercrush 40

    I’m talking about National Supporters. They aren’t exactly fans of hard-right thinking but likely too stubborn to have shifted to New Zealand First and won’t vote Labour on principle. As for the MPs. I doubt it but to be honest half of the MPs in the National Party are a mystery same with a number of Labour MPs. Seemingly invisible members rarely seen, rarely heard.

    I do see it as them retaining the agenda. But I also think its to ensure they never go too far if a policy is very disliked out in the public. One criticism of Key is he doesn’t seem to stand for anything. I think there is some truth in that. Thus his persona is likely being reflected in policies, statements and how he’ll lead.

    travellerev you dont have any faith in National whatsoever do you? I see you don’t have faith in Obama either. Did you have faith in Clark and Cullen or were they just better than anyone else?

  41. Pascal's bookie 41

    Whether or not National voters are muldoonist is kind of irrelevant. If they were prepared to vote for National after Richardson, and under Brash then their Muldoonist feelings won’t be hurt by Douglas. If, as you suggest, they have no where else to go and will vote Blue no matter the policy pretty much, they are not a threat. So we can forget about them No? (I actually doubt their existence in any great numbers 25 years down the track to be honest).

    How do you think the minor parties, and more importantly their voters, will react to being shafted by these faux policy reviews? Can you see the problem? Key can’t use one hand claim to be a transformational MMP leader dragging National toward inclusiveness, while with his other hand sell his coalition partners a pig in a poke. Can’t work, he’ll get a hernia.

    If Key really doesn’t stand for anything, doesn’t that actually make it it more likely that he will give policy concessions to coalition partners in return for longevity? Seems that way to me.

  42. gingercrush 42

    United Future and Act will be happy if its a centre-right agenda. Considering there isn’t that many United Future supporters and Act supporters can’t exactly go to Labour. I can’t see them having a problem. The problem lies with the Maori party. Is the agreement signed between Maori and National have that many gains for Maori? To be honest I was thinking we’d see more detail in regards to maori and health and Maori and education. Neither is there. Sure there are associate minister portfolios but i essence lacks policy. Their supporters I think would want more.

  43. Quoth the Raven 43

    The way policies were written and these agreements suggest that National is likely to be more adaptive to public sentiment than Helen Clark was.

    How Ging is that actually going to work in practice? Please tell us. Or is this just a prepared line?

  44. TimeWarp 44

    The irony of the title of the thread just occurred to me.

    The last time Rodney was stepping to the right arm-in-arm with anyone…

    … he left them sprawled awkwardly all over the floor.

  45. Pascal's bookie 45

    TimeWarp, nice!

    Ginger, ACT supporters will not be happy with a centre right agenda, unless by centre right you mean something well to the right of what Key campaigned on.

    Saying they’ve got nowhere else to go, is narrow minded, arrogant, and false. ACT may decide that if there is little significant (in their eyes) difference between National and Labour, why should they compromise themselves by giving power to the Blue Socialists. Far better to fight on for their principles, take down the Blue socialists if need be (especially if they feel they have been shafted by them), and force National to move right.

  46. gingercrush 46

    What I meant by that Quoth was Helen Clark was adaptable but she always drew a line where she would not go. I don’t think John Key is like that. Even if something proved unpopular, one example could be the anti-smacking bill, Clark would still sign it. Basically I’m saying Clark had a set of principals which she wouldn’t cross. Key however, I think this term will be swayed by public sentiment. National want a long-term government and if they’re getting reaction that something isn’t liked Key would be willing to change it.

    I have to disagree Pascal. I think National is already delivering a premise that isn’t far right. It may be far-right for you and other people at The Standard. But I don’t believe its seen as far-right by the general public. And going by what I saw in the media isn’t seen by them as far-right either. Act gets concessions and portfolios and things may get reviewed. But I don’t believe there is anything that far-right. Take the three strikes. You and others here may see it as that but for the general public I really don’t think they will.

    Add to that, most of Act’s support this year was generated right towards the end of the election. That would suggest the majority of Act supporters lean more to the right than National generally but not so principled they’d only vote Act. That and a Green-Maori and Labour government is likely far more scary for them.

    Also can National go right and govern? They tried that in 2002 and they got to 41%. That suggests there is a clear limit as to how far New Zealand is willing to go in a clear right agenda. The most notable thing this year is New Zealand will go centre-right but they don’t right. Thus there is a clear limit as to how far New Zealanders are willing to go. And if that happens then once again Act’s support will be completely swallowed up like last time.

  47. Millsy 47

    If blood be the price of their cursed wealth, then by god, we will buy it fair…

  48. GC: I think that they’re strategy was just better this time. Do you really think that the average voter really knows the difference between left and right?

    Sure, Brash was exposed as being further to the right but I don’t think that Keys really that different. And now with Act in the mix, they’ll get pushed further and who knows what will happen to the tri-agreements, not to mention National’s factions.

    If NZers really understood the 90-day bill and other right-wing anti-worker policies, National/Act wouldn’t have had a show. That’s what you get with a superficial media, that doesn’t really focus on the matters that affect ordinary NZers. I could go on..

  49. TimeWarp 49

    “Key has no principles.”

    Nice GC.

  50. gingercrush 50

    I think the average voter does know the difference between left and right. National has always had anti-working policies. It hasn’t scared people any other time. I also think we should be careful in making assumptions about the average voter. They’re not nearly as thick or gullible as we like to think.

    I was wondering when someone would pick that up TimeWarp. I think Key has principles and is a fair-minded person. But I think there is an essence that the left tried to project and that was Key didn’t have many principles. And there is probably some truth in that.

  51. TimeWarp 51

    Well GC….

    Following from your comments:

    Key either has no principles, OR

    he is prepared to shelve them.

    Which would it be?

    My problem with Key is not what he stands for… it’s knowing what that might be.

  52. gingercrush 52

    I’d go with the latter but then if you’re prepared to shelve principles you really don’t have any.

  53. Felix 53

    gc:

    National has always had anti-working policies. It hasn’t scared people any other time.

    Can you please expand on this fascinating observation?

  54. gingercrush 54

    I suspect you’re pointing to “anti-working” as meaning National party doesn’t mind people on benefits etc. In which case I didn’t mean to say that and should have used better terms. I meant anti-worker or more to the point their long-held stance against Unions.

    If that wasn’t about that then here’s my answer:

    —-
    National has always been a party for businesses and the rural sector and has largely been anti-union. Which is what I was implying there. And I don’t think you can point to National’s anti-union stance damaging the party. Neither the First, Second, Third or Fourth National party governments were damaged by their stance as being anti-union.

    First National Government had the waterfall dispute. That actually increased their vote. The downfall was simply a tired government.

    Second National Government relaxed compulsory unionism. That didn’t damage them. Once again it was largely due to people wanting a change.

    The third National government likewise didn’t fall due to its anti-union stance. Rather it was due to Muldoon’s “think big” policies, his own personality and the economic problems that plagued this period.

    The fourth national government arguably brought in the most brutal anti-union legislation seen in this country. But I would personally argue that benefit cuts and National doing an about turn in regards to rogernomics was the reason for the downfall where Labour nearly won in 1993.

    —-

    In spite of the National Party having a long held stance of anti-unionism I don’t think you can point to that as being the downfall of National. Rather it has been either because the nation was tired of a long-term government (1st and 2nd National Governments); or personality, big government and economic issues (Muldoon); or a party that went back on its word and continued the policies of the Third Labour party.

    And as for this Fifth National government. Yes anti-union legislation may lose it some support. But it will either be a hard-right agenda, a messy coalition relationship or some other reason for its downfall.

  55. GC,

    I had faith in HC and MC to the point that I knew that they were the last leaders that had NZ’s independence and well-being at heart.

    That is gone. John Key is a banking foot soldier carefully groomed to do their bidding. And he is a cheap one. Only $ 50 mill. Chomp change for the guys he’s working for but then perhaps he will be awarded with a percentage of the loot, who knows.

    Maybe Rodney Hide is just your average, fascistoid, greedy, right wing asshole with a fake tan who hasn’t got a clue but he will implementing the Smiling Assassin’s hidden agenda of privatisation and the big selling off of NZ’s resources and assets to his rich prick banking mates in Wall street and the city of London. In the next three years you will learn what it means to be owned.

    Obama is a puppet and has been bought and paid for by the same banking scum.
    His running mate Biden is a CFR puppet master and if Obama doesn’t tow the line its goodbye to him and his beautiful little family providing the next shock to implement the end game for America: Civil war and Martial law.

    400 FEMA camps fully up and running, hundreds of thousands of coffins and battle(Fallujah) hardened US troops training in crowd control and on US soil in direct contravention with the Posse Comitatus act tell me so.

  56. higherstandard 57

    Have you moved on from 911 now ?

    Can’t way to see what your next theory is they read like cheap thrillers.

  57. Janet 58

    Pity that NZ has gone from world leader to world betrayer in climate policy in less than two weeks.

    I remember when travelling overseas in the Muldoon days you were always apologising for him, as he was such an international embarrassment. A new era of international shame looks to be here.

  58. higherstandard 59

    Janet

    On behalf of NZ farmers ……….. diddims.

  59. Janet 60

    Climate change is the most important issue that faces the world. HS Your puerile response will not be appreciated by the children of the future.

    The Kyoto forrests assn seem pretty angry too – they are about to lose a $100 million or something deal.

    Giving credibility and power to the climate change deniers is just so last century. It’s not fair that they are putting our country and our world at such risk.

  60. higherstandard 61

    Why don’t you decrease your own emissions and stick a cork in it.

    NZ could decrease emissions to zero and it would make not an iota of difference to global (or local) climate change.

  61. Billy 62

    HS: Have you moved on from 911 now ?

    And what ever happened to depleted uranium? At least there used to be some variety. Now it’s all “banksters” this and “LOL” that.

  62. Tigger 63

    Redlogix – love your posts here.

    HS – Rodney, is that you?

  63. Janet 64

    NZ is the 5th biggest per capita polluter. We also have a responsibility to do our bit for the countries in the Pacific that are sinking. Climate change also means we are all at risk from extreme weather.

    HS Will you be crying out for government help when you are flooded/hit by a tornado or drought? Or say we deserve this because we didn’t do our bit to prevent climate change?

  64. Janet 65

    Nat Rad just had a love in between Rodney and Pita – sickmaking.

  65. My point was and remains that $40k is not wealthy. The claim that “future tax cuts will go exclusively to the wealthy’ is rubbish.

    In the main centres the average wage is over $40k, check statistics NZ. So this would apply to the majority of people living in main centres.

    As I said, try living in Auckland with a family on $40k, if you did have any experience of that you would know that such a family would not be “wealthy’.

    “That, Madeleine, is trickle down theory and its a crock of shit.’

    Well after that devastating point by point explanation of economic theory I will just
    throw away my text book and chant the mantra.

    Here I was thinking that moving towards a flat tax where everyone pays the same percentage, which still means the rich pay more, was equal treatment. Given that flat tax economists tend to argue for the tax rate to be set at around 20% that would benefit almost every worker in NZ to some degree, the trickle down would only apply to those on $14k. Further, with everyone being able to keep more of what they earn and no disincentive to achieve or earn more in place more people would be able to realise their potential and the average wage would rise.

    Do you realise that in our current system a family of 4 on $40k and a family of 4 on $70k earn a difference of $190 a week? Where is the incentive to try harder to be more productive to create more jobs? The equalisation you support has screwed our economy and has stuffed over the poor, but hey as long as the evil people who are successful in life get screwed who cares, $40k is more than enough to make the rich list and lets ignore the fact that a top tax rate of 30% means that the “wealthy” would still be paying 7.6% more than the poor.

    No wonder you got creamed. Normal people just don’t buy the lie that $40k makes your rich no matter how you dress it up.

    So go on nit-pick something else I have said, quick, or you might have to defend the claim that earning $40k makes you wealthy.

  66. HS and Billy,

    Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share with you some material only released a week ago through a court case against the FBI.
    This is a video of the North tower when it starts to collapse (Collapse only takes 11sec). Funny how it starts explode above the impact and while this might be caused by a raging inferno (black smoke indicating a low temperature but oh well) what could have caused the rest of the tower to collapse at such a speed when no fires were present I wonder. Funny, those banana shaped billowing clouds of dust 1.5 hours after impact. Oh, no it’s not so funny actually since the dust in the lungs of first responders (remember those heroes) are killing 50.000 of them and 20.000 of NY citizens are also dying from that dust.

    About the Wall street/City of London/CIA connection you might want to read up on
    insider trading connected to the events of 911 and Buzzy Krongard

  67. Billy 68

    Now that’s more like it, Ev.

  68. higherstandard 69

    Janet

    Frothity froth froth !

    NZ has an extremely large agricultural sector in proportion to our population hence we are deemed to be a large per capita polluter – whoopee. If we slaughtered our entire dairy herd and all the remainder of the farm animals in NZ it would have no effect on climate change.

    This would wreck NZ’s economy and have no effect on climate change ? Why do it- your rationale seems to be because you would enjoy the ability to pontificate on the subject of how great NZ is in regards to acting on climate change ?

    Janet your second sentence reeks of the crap I got through the mailbox from the greens which said something along the lines of ….’ vote Green to stop the East Coast beaches disappearing ” .what complete drivel.

    Edit

    Huzzah 911 is back ……. (Buzzy Krongard give his parents a red card)

  69. Carol 70

    Ev the video link doesn’t work for me.

  70. Hi Carol,

    My bad. Here is the correct link. It is about 8 newly releases video’s.
    There is another 50 something in the pipline.

  71. Carol 72

    Thanks, ev.

  72. Wil 73

    As expected, act policy will dominate this national government; amazing when you consider act got only 2% of the actual vote which corresponds to around 1% of the population.

    So by end of next winter john key will likely be polling as PM around 20% if hes lucky and the poll trajectory is all down from there; suddenly politics not so much fun for him any more. And act are going to fill the vaccuum to control government policy but not by stealth as they are such arrogant assholes. So most likely people will wake up to the reality of their “change”. So bring on the next election campaign…

    Kudos to Chris Trotter for saying it as it is in yesterdays SST. Hopefully the Maori Party wake up, spit the dummy sooner rather than later leaving Act exposed as the real engine within this “change” government. But then again, maybe hopefully not, for then their votes will all revert to Labour.

    But alas, relitigating the maori foreshore seabed legislation gives the ACT/nat govt a golden smokescreen opportunity to dominate the msm to divert attention, and already they will be working out these strategies. Imagine the racial issues they will play.

  73. Cheers Carol,

    Yep Wil, my idea exactly.

  74. Janet 75

    It would be a great idea to let the current livestock die off from old age and for NZ to go vegetarian, and be a grower of crops instead. The carnivorous lifestyle is on the way out as it is unsustainable.

  75. higherstandard 76

    And the humans Janet let’s get rid of the humans as well ………. dirty polluters …. pfffouagh !

  76. Chris G 77

    Madeleine,

    Because you suggested, I went and am now looking at the 2006 census data for incomes.

    Im struggling to find where, as you suggest: “In the main centres the average wage is over $40k, check statistics NZ.”

    Auckland City: Median income: $28,100
    North Shore City: Median income: $29,100
    The trend continues (Well actually declines in $s) throughout the country.

    Notice those are the areas of Auckland that are most likely the ‘richest’ or as I would say, according to Madeleine, ‘Pricks’. Goodness knows how you manufactured your statistics madeleine. Maybe try here? http://www.stats.govt.nz/census/census-outputs/default.htm

    With regards to your rant about flat tax. I disagree with flat tax and support progressive taxation. No doubt we will disagree on that.

    eg. “The equalisation you support has screwed our economy and has stuffed over the poor”

    …Riiiight.

  77. Janet 78

    Wil
    Have you got a link to the Chris Trotter piece in the SST? Not on their website, nor the policy.net site which is still saying that Chris has hung up his lap top.

  78. Chris G 79

    hs,

    Although you take it to the extreme. Humans are infact terrible to the environment and the population problem is a big deal.

    But if one mentions it as a problem, comments like yours will be fired in reply.

  79. higherstandard 80

    Chris

    Yes population is a problem ……..but not in NZ.

  80. Quoth the Raven 81

    GC – You’re too honest most National supporters won’t say they’re anti-worker they use a lot meaningless statements and platitudes. They realised long ago that you must deceive the plebs.

    HS – Take it back to kiwiblog.

  81. QtR,

    I’ll second that.

  82. Matthew 83

    Hi Chris

    I noted this comment

    “Got any sympathy for them?

    Oh na, thats right, tories dont care about them.”

    here you claim that tories ( conservatives) do not are about the poor.

    In fact there is some statistical data which suggests that this is false, and in fact conservatives actually give more money to chartities assisting the poor than liberals do. See for example the findings here :http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm and discussion of the details here http://philanthropy.com/live/2006/11/brooks/

    I criticised the standard when it made these kind of comments in the past.

    I know that Labour supporters think its acceptable to enage in political debate by slandering their opponents and accusing them of bad motives. But I ask you please detist from this.

    Moreover you claim you are not envious against the rich, the problem is your sole criticism on the policies in question is that “someone else” benefits. Thats what envy is, its getting upset at the fact that someone else benefits. Apparently because your “class” does not get the benefit as well its unjust. Thats called envy.

    Finally you suggest that people earning over 45,000 are rich. Why then do you support working for families? If these people are so wealthy why does the government think they need welfare to help them live. Convenient that they are rich when the government wants taxation and then poor when it wants to justify welfare don’t you think?

  83. Matthew 84

    Madeliene states that 45?000 living in Auckland does not make you rich. You have not responded to this, you comment is only that the median income in Auckland is 28?000 , The problem is that wealth is not determined by how much you earn, it depends on what you earn relative to the cost of living. Your welcome to believe that a person who has say 4 children on a 45?000 income, paying the rental and food costs in Auckland is rich. But if you truly believe this you are wrong.
    A person who is on 45?000 earns around 800per week. A decent house for 4 children costs around 400$ per week in Auckland, petrol is at least 100$ per week, food for a family of comes close to $200. If you factor in power, heat, electricity etc I think you?ll find that a person on 45000 is not rich. And only civil servants with no kids living in wellington would be under the illusion that it does. In fact to site from you linked to notes

    “Households in main urban areas had the second-highest average household expenditure of any profile area ($45,075, compared with $43,682 nationally). Housing is usually the major household expenditure; households in main urban areas spent the most on housing ($10,798, compared with $10,159 nationally). The average expenditure on housing varied considerably across main urban areas, with the Auckland urban area having the highest. Households in Northern Auckland had the highest average household expenditure for main urban areas ($53,005) of which an average of $13,865 was spent on housing. Households in Gisborne spent well below the national average ($35,758). Their average expenditure on housing ($7,727) was almost half that of the North Auckland zone.”

    So according to your own sources 45?000 is less than the average household expenditure in Auckland. Now it could be that the average household simply spends extragantly. Most families are simply to stupid or irresponsible to spend wisely. Or it could be that these figures give us some idea of what it costs to maintain the average family in Auckland.

  84. Lew 85

    So much for National not privatising anything in their first term. Yes, I know, the government won’t be privatising anything they own directly – but requiring local authorities to privatise amounts to the same thing.

    L

    Captcha: `enemies consumer’.

  85. Scalia 87

    Why is it that the minute someone raises human rights abuses of the left they get deemed a troll?

    You raised work rights “They’ll say work rights are the problem – that weakening workers’ rights is the way to boost productivity and, thereby, wages.’ I point to the human rights abuses your mates inflicted on us and I am a troll.

    You want me to engage? Fine. No one wants to weaken workers rights, did ACT call for the abolition of contractual rights? Did national call for a return to the 60 hour week? Did United Future argue for slave labour or 10 year olds to join the workforce? Come off it.

    Some people view unions being all powerful as being good for workers and some workers, see powerful unions as weakening workers rights. It is a matter of perspective as to what you think, it is nothing to do with “rights’.

    I have never understood why a union has to be compulsory or have the playing field tilted their way in order to achieve, surely if they do a good job and represent the views of the workers people would join them freely.

    How you can describe grown adults freely contracting as a human rights abuse is beyond me. Apparently grown adults cannot do this without state intervention when it comes to work but when it comes to sex the state should but out. As usual inconsistent application of the rules strikes again.

  86. bill brown 88

    freely contracting isn’t a human rights abuse.

    Freely is the important word – if you have no choice your not freely contracting – like the MP, they’re not freely nodding and smiling with JK – they know they’ll lose their seats otherwise.

  87. Lew 89

    Scalia:

    1. You didn’t specify who was supposedly abusing any rights.
    2. You didn’t specify or identify any supposed human rights abuses perpetrated by that government.
    3. You referred in the abstract to `your employers’ without specifying whose employers. That implies that you still believe that Lynn, or perhaps Steve as author of the post, are or were employed by the supposed abuser to write The Standard.
    4. You didn’t actually make any points – and no, `you did it too’ wouldn’t be an actual point, even if you did prove it.

    Fix those four things and you might not find yourself labelled a troll. Good luck.

    L

  88. Lew 90

    Bill Brown: like the MP, they’re not freely nodding and smiling with JK – they know they’ll lose their seats otherwise.

    Interesting argument. I don’t think it’s the case. It seems more likely that there’d be a civil war fought in this country if Māori representation was unilaterally done away with, and even National don’t want that.

    L

  89. bill brown 91

    Oh come on, the Nats don’t really give a shit about the Māori seats, they just used them as a bargaining chip.

    Threaten to take away something you know the other party wants, and “give it back” during negotiation – every used car salesman uses it.

    That’s why you always drive away with that sinking feeling in your stomach.

    (Reflected in Sharples’ face last night on TV!)

  90. Matthew 92

    Hi Lew

    I don’t follow: how does abolishing maori sets, do away with maori representation?last time I checked maori can be on the general role. If your suggesting that being on the general role does not equal representation, then it would follow that no one except maori are currently represented.

  91. Lew 93

    Matthew: I was unclear. Clearly I meant specific Māori representation in its customary form, i.e, the Māori seats.

    L

  92. Lew 94

    Ok. I accept your assertion that National doesn’t care too much about the māori seats. That also forms the basis for my argument that they wouldn’t risk the fallout of abolishing them without full and proper consultation with Māori. So your proposition that the māori party are being held hostage here still doesn’t stand.

    L

  93. bill brown 95

    Fallout from who? Māori? – they don’t vote Nactional anyway. Do you really think the vast rump of the voting public really cares that much? I don’t.

    Was the rumour going around true that it would take 75% to entrench the seats?

  94. Lew 96

    Bill: Not direct electoral fallout – think Foreshore and Seabed crossed with the Springbok Tour. It’d be horrific.

    L

  95. Lew 97

    Bill: Oh, and your other question – yes, entrenching any provision requires 75% of parliament, or the suspension of a standing order – I forget which – but the word is that’d never happen.

    Graeme Edgeler on publicaddress, I/S on No Right Turn and others have discussed this in more detail than I could.

    L

  96. Chris G as you have accused me of manufacturing statistics, I suggest you look up the source I referred to at I
    refered to at Statistics New Zealand
    . You will note that it records the quarterly mean earnings as $12,090 for Auckland which is $48,360pa, $12,240 for Wellington = $48,960pa, $10,080 for Christchurch = $40,320pa.

    Hence, I put to you again that $40,001pa is not rich, and that many people earn in this tax bracket. The claim that the tax cuts “exclusively benefit the rich” is false.

    Consider also Matthew’s point that wealth is determined not by mean earnings but by mean earnings relative to the cost of living. As such, when you factor in the cost of living in somewhere like Auckland would mean that people who live on $40,001 are not wealthy.

    Further, there is also the fact that Working for Families treats people in this bracket as beneficiaries in need of assistance. Did Labour really give out benefits to the rich? Where were your howls of outrage?

    Truly patronising isn’t it?

    When you want to justify high taxes such people are rich.

    When you want to justify high government spending they are poor.

    Its almost as if one’s status of being rich or poor is determined not by ones actual ability to provide for oneself and ones family, but rather is conveniently defined and redefined in what ever way expands the state’s power over people’s lives and property.

  97. Anita 99

    Madeleine,

    Can you provide the link to the page about those stats rather than just the spreadsheet? From the looks those numbers come from only part of society.

    The Auckland Region Quarterly Review, for example, gives an average weekly income which works out to a much lower annual total than yours.

  98. Pascal's bookie 100

    I don’t think anyone has said that people on 40k are rich.

    Maybe they did, but I doubt it. It smells like a crappy libertarian piece of dishonesty to me. I suspect someone said that National is offering tax cuts that will mostly benefit high earners and these new lib’s with the same old arguments are bringing up 40k as a strawman.

    Are National’s tax cuts going to mostly benefit those on 40k? If so then they’ve got a point. Somehow I doubt it though.

    It’s the same BS that people use about Cullen’s ‘rich prick’ jibe, pretending that Cullen was talking about everyone in the top tax bracket, when he was just talking about Key. God what dishonest pieces of muck some people are.

    They drag out these shamefully dishonest lines by the bucketful, argue that those lines are what their opponents really think, and when people fail to address one or other of the more ridiculous smears, use that omission to claim that ‘that proves it’, or that it is some sort of admission.

    I don’t know who they think they’re fooling.

  99. Chris G 101

    To be clear to Matthew and Madeleine,

    I never said someone earning $40K was rich.

    to be honest im a bit Yawn about debating about the merits of flat tax (yuck)

    Im still awfully confused madeleine as to why you think the census data means nothing. By the way when you use mean for income that skews the statistics and a stats course will quickly tell you median is a more appropriate measure of average income.

    And Matthew/Madeleine (You both link to the same site so Im gonna lump you together)

    “Madeliene states that 45?000 living in Auckland does not make you rich. You have not responded to this, you comment is only that the median income in Auckland is 28?000”

    Ah, No… Madeleine stated:
    “In the main centres the average wage is over $40k”

    The census disagrees.

    Finally: If you are so worried about those who struggle to survive on $45K, granted people may. Does your virtuous concern lend a hand to the 70% of income earners who earn less than $40K? And dont respond by calling me for the umpteenth time ‘Envious of the rich’ cos thats a crock and is just spin

  100. Madeleine 102

    By all means lump Matthew and I together, it is fairly common knowledge we have a connection.

    I never said the census data means nothing, I said that the basis of my claims was the data I got from Statistics NZ, which showed the median wage in the main centres was a bit over $40k.

    Finally, I stand behind my claim that $40,001 per year does not make you one of the wealthy, especially if you live in a main centre, especially if you have a family to feed.

    Yes, it makes you ‘wealthier’ than someone on less money, but ‘wealthy’ means something else entirely and that was the term used to describe who the tax plan would benefit.

    So once more for clarity, the statement “any future tax cuts will go exclusively to the wealthy” is false because $40,001 per year with a family, living in a main centre does not render you wealthy.

  101. Anita 103

    Madeleine,

    I never said the census data means nothing, I said that the basis of my claims was the data I got from Statistics NZ, which showed the median wage in the main centres was a bit over $40k.

    I don’t think you ever asked my question, what’s the context of the table you linked to? The spreadsheet doesn’t actually describe the source of the data or anything else which explains what it is it could be, for example, horticulture industry only or any other limited data set.

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    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz The growth of the human population over the last 70 ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    15 hours ago
  • The disappearing Women …
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In her excellent oral submission to the Abortion reform select committee on 31st October on behalf of Otago University’s Department of Public Health, historian and public health researcher Hera Cook stated: “We would ask that the committee not use the term ‘pregnant persons’ and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • “A Passage to India”: enduring art in changing times
    by Don Franks In 1957, E M Forster wrote, of his greatest work: “The India described in ‘A Passage to India’ no longer exists either politically or socially. Change had begun even at the time the book was published ( 1924) and during the following quarter of a century it ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • Contemptuous
    The Referendums Framework Bill was due back from select committee today. But there's no report on it. Instead, the bill has been bounced back to the House under Standing order 29593) because the Committee didn't bother to produce one. They probably tried. But given the membership of the committee (which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Zero Carbon: It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law
    Two years into New Zealand’s Labour-led government, the long-delayed Zero Carbon Bill became law on 7 November. Passed essentially unanimously, the lengthy public debates and political manoeuvring faded away until the final passage was even anticlimactic: Flipping through the @nzstuff @DomPost I was starting to wonder if I’d dreamt ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    1 day ago
  • Climate Change: What happens next?
    Now the Zero Carbon Bill is law, what's next? Obviously, the ETS changes currently before select committee are going to be the next battleground. But we're also going to get a good idea of where we're going, and if the progress the Zero Carbon Act promises is good enough, during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Climate change will fuel bush fires
    Grant Pearce The effects of the current Australian bushfires in New South Wales and Queensland (and also again in California) are devastating and far-reaching. To date, the fires have resulted in several lives being lost and many homes and properties destroyed. Here in New Zealand, the impacts have been only ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 days ago
  • Participation rates
    A passing comment in a post the other day about the labour force participation rates of older people prompted me to pull down the fuller data and see what we could see about various participation rates over the decades since the HLFS began in 1986.   As it happens, the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Reddell
    2 days ago
  • Not So Much “OK Boomer” As “OK Ruling Class”.
    Distract And Divert: The rise of what we have come to call “Identity Politics” represents the ideological manifestation of the ruling class’s objective need to destroy class politics, and of the middle-class’s subjective need to justify their participation in the process.THE RELIEF of the ruling class can only be imagined. ...
    2 days ago
  • Asking for it …
    "I saw a newspaper picture,From the political campaignA woman was kissing a child,Who was obviously in pain.She spills with compassion,As that young child'sFace in her hands she gripsCan you imagine all that greed and avariceComing down on that child's lips?" ...
    2 days ago
  • New Zealand’s Poor Pandemic Preparedness According to the Global Health Security Index
    Dr Matt Boyd, Prof Michael Baker, Prof Nick Wilson The Global Health Security Index which considers pandemic threats has just been published. Unfortunately, NZ scores approximately half marks (54/100), coming in 35th in the world rankings – far behind Australia. This poor result suggests that the NZ Government needs to ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Thank Winston
    The Zero Carbon Act is inadequate, with a weak methane target designed to give farmers a free ride. But it turns out it could have been worse: Climate Change Minister James Shaw was so desperate to get National on board, he wanted to gut that target, and leave it in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Illicit markets and Bali Booze
    The Herald reprints an Australian story on a couple of tragic deaths in Bali from drinking cocktails that had methanol in them.  The story argues that methanol is likely the result of home distillation. But what the young tourists were experiencing was far from a hangover. They’d consumed a toxic cocktail ...
    SciBlogsBy Eric Crampton
    2 days ago
  • This is not what armed police are for
    Last month, the police announced a trial of specialist roaming armed units, which would drive round (poor, brown) areas in armoured SUVs, armed to the teeth. When they announced the trial, they told us it was about having armed police "ready to attend major incidents at any time if needed". ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Spain’s failed electoral gamble
    Spain went to the polls today in the second elections this year, after the Socialists (who had come to power in a confidence vote, then gone to the polls in April) rejected the offer of a coalition with the left-wing PoDemos, and instead decided to gamble n a better outcome ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • The astroturf party
    National has finally rolled out its "BlueGreen" astroturf party, fronted by an array of former nats and people who were dumped by the Greens for not being Green enough. Its initial pitch is described by Stuff as "very business-friendly", and its priorities are what you'd expect: conservation, predator-free funding, a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • How to cheat at university
    A couple of days ago I attended (and spoke at) the University of Waikato’s “LearnFest” event. There were lots of talks and sessions on very diverse aspects of teaching, mostly at tertiary level. One was by Myra Williamson from Te Piringa Faculty of Law here at Waikato, on Contract Cheating ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    3 days ago
  • How NZ was put on world maps using a transit of Mercury
    There will be a transit of Mercury – the planet Mercury will pass across the face of the Sun – taking place at sunrise in New Zealand on Tuesday, 12th November. It was by observing such an event 250 years ago that James Cook and his scientist colleagues were able ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    3 days ago
  • Georgina Beyer: We need to be able to talk without being offended
    Since becoming the world’s first openly transexual mayor and member of parliament, Georgina Beyer has been recognised as a trailblazer for trans rights. Daphna Whitmore talks with her about where she sees the current trans movement We start out talking about legislation the government put on hold that would have ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • The anti-fluoride brigade won’t be erecting billboards about this study
    If FFNZ really put their faith in “Top Medical Journals” they would now be amending their billboards to recognise new research results. Image from FFNZ but updated to agree with the latest research. ...
    4 days ago
  • Chosen To Rule? What Sort Of Christian Is Chris Luxon?
    National Messiah? Chris Luxon identifies himself as an evangelical Christian. If he is genuine in this self-characterisation, then he will take every opportunity his public office provides to proselytise on behalf of his faith. He will also feel obliged to bear witness against beliefs and practices he believes to be ...
    4 days ago
  • War of the worms
    I'm going to make a Reckless Prediction™ that the Tories have 'topped out' in the 'poll of polls' / Britain Elects multipoll tracker at about 38%, and in the next week we will start to see Labour creep up on them.In fact, we might just be seeing the start of ...
    4 days ago
  • Marvelly shows us how to be a feminist without feminism
    by The Council of Disobedient Women Lizzie Marvelly: “I may have missed this… has @afterellen gone all terf-y? Or am I reading something incorrectly? “ https://twitter.com/LizzieMarvelly/status/1191840059105742849 After Ellen is a lesbian website that is unashamedly pro-lesbian, as you’d expect. So why is Ms Marvelly so bothered about lesbians having their ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Out of the past – Tories to revive racist laws from the 16th century
    Did you know there once was a time when it was illegal to be a gypsy (aka Romani) in Britain?That was between 1530, when the Egyptians Act was passed, and 1856, when it was repealed.Amongst other things, the act forbade the entry of 'Egyptians' into England, ordered those already there ...
    5 days ago
  • 1000 of these now
    Some days I sit and think, “what will I write…?” What do you say when you get to 1000 posts? Maybe you just start where you are, diverge to where this all began, then offer a collection of reader’s favourite posts, and a few of your own? (And throw in ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    5 days ago
  • Has Shane Jones Just Saved NZ First?
    Counter-Puncher: The “activists” and “radicals” (his own words) from the Indian community who took such strong exception to Shane Jones’ remarks about Immigration NZ’s treatment of arranged marriages, may end up bitterly regretting their intervention. Jones is not the sort of person who turns the other cheek to his critics.SHANE ...
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: As predicted
    Yesterday, when National voted for the Zero Carbon Bill, I predicted they'd gut it the moment they regained power, just as they had done to the ETS. And indeed, they have explicitly promised to do exactly that within their first hundred days in office. What would their amendments do? Abandon ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Let this never be forgot
    In the spirit of Remember, remember the fifth of November, let's keep this in mind FOREVER.
    Oh dear. Extraordinary interview on PM with Andrew Bridgen and @EvanHD just now. Bridgen was defending Jacob Rees Mogg’s Grenfell comments. Evan asked him if JRM had meant to say he would have left ...
    6 days ago
  • Too Late To Change Capitalism’s Flightpath?
    Collision Course? In conditions of ideological white-out, the international bankers’ “Woop-Woop! Pull Up!” warning may have come too late to save global capitalism.WHAT DOES IT MEAN when international bankers are more willing to embrace radical solutions than our politicians and their electors? At both the International Monetary Fund and the ...
    6 days ago
  • Whooping cough vaccine works well despite its imperfections
    Pertussis (whooping cough) is a conundrum. It is a disease that was described hundreds of years ago and the bacteria that causes it (Bordetella pertussis) isolated in 1906. We have had vaccines for about 80 years but this disease is defiant in the face of human immunity. I wanted to ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Passed
    The Zero Carbon Bill has just passed its third reading, uanimously. In the end, National supported it - but we all know they'll turn around and gut it the moment they regain power. Meanwhile, I guess ACT's David Seymour didn't even bother to show up. I am on record as ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Retailing of vaping products – New NZ Research
    Dr Lindsay Robertson, Dr Jerram Bateman, Professor Janet Hoek Members of the public health community hold divergent views on how access to vaping products or electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) products should be arranged. Some believe ENDS should be as widely available as smoked tobacco and argue for liberal ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • Justice for Bomber
    When the Police were trying to cover up for the National Party over Dirty Politics, they went all-in with their abuses of power. They illegally search Nicky Hager's house, violating his journalistic privilege and invading his privacy. They unlawfully acquired Hager's bank records. They did the same to left-wing blogger ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Britain’s climate tyranny was unlawful
    Last month, in response to a wave of protests by Extinction Rebellion, the British government purported to ban their protests from the whole of London. It was a significant interference with the freedoms of expression and assembly, and another sign of the country's decline into tyranny. But now, a court ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • More crime from the spies
    Last year, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security reported on significant problems with the intelligence warrant system. While they were unwilling to declare any warrant "irregular" (meaning unlawful) due to the recent law change, they were also not willing to give the system a clean bill of health. Now, they've ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Vaccination, compulsion, and paternalism for the lower orders
    The National Party has come out in support of encouraging greater vaccination uptake. But it sure isn’t the way I’d do it. National’s suggested docking the benefits of those on benefit whose kids aren’t keeping up with their vaccinations. Some in National have suggested extending that to payments under Working ...
    SciBlogsBy Eric Crampton
    7 days ago
  • Global Protests Rage On: But Slogans Are Not Plans.
    Feeding The Flames: It is simply not enough to demand an end to “corruption”, or “inequality”, or the overbearing influence of the authorities in Beijing. These are just “lowest common denominator” demands: the sort of slogans that pull people onto the streets. They are not a plan.WHERE’S THE PLAN? Across ...
    7 days ago
  • 11,000 employed under Labour
    The labour market statistics have been released, and unemployment has risen to 4.2%. There are 115,000 unemployed - 11,000 fewer than when Labour took office. In that time the minimum wage has gone up by $2 an hour, which shows that the right's fears about increases causing unemployment are simply ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Boycott this democratic fraud
    The Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee has called for submissions on Andrew Little's tyrannical Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill. Normally I encourage participation in the democratic process. I am not doing so in this case. Instead, I encourage all of you to boycott this submissions process, and to post ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why Mars is cold despite an atmosphere of mostly carbon dioxide
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz If tiny concentrations of carbon dioxide can hold enough heat ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Ban private jets
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Untold Suffering
    That's what we face if we don't stop climate change, according to a warning from 11,000 scientists:The world’s people face “untold suffering due to the climate crisis” unless there are major transformations to global society, according to a stark warning from more than 11,000 scientists. “We declare clearly and unequivocally ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The left and violent misogyny
    by Phil Duncan Here’s just a few of the kind of threats issued day in and day out against gender-critical women – feminists, marxists, etc – overwhelmingly by MEN (albeit men identifying as women). “Kill all Terfs”. “Shoot a Terf today”. “All terfs deserve to be shot in the head”. ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Imperialism and the iPhone
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    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • The freshwater mussel housing crisis: eviction by invasive weeds?
    Tom Moore Traditionally a food source and cutting tool, freshwater mussels/kākahi are now widely valued as water filters that help clean our waterbodies and maintain ecosystem health throughout Aotearoa. The improvement they provide in water quality can make it easier for other animals to live in streams and rivers, as ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Back it up Luxon: endorsing the destructive past is not actually the way forward
    And to think he gave all the potential goodwill away with that moronic, cult-like statement (repeated ad nauseam by many National hardliners) that Key is quite simply “the greatest PM we ever had”… Installation complete: this was nothing ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Good riddance
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: D-Day
    The Zero Carbon Bill is back in the House today for its second reading. While this isn't the final stage, its still effectively D-Day for the bill. Because today, at around 5pm, is when we're going to find out if it has a majority, whether National will support it or ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Winston is right
    Winston Peters is in court today, suing a bunch of former Minister and civil servants over their pre-election leak of his superannuation repayment. He's characterised the leak as malicious, and said that it is repugnant that his information was passed on to Ministers to use for political advantage. And he's ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Media impartiality
    Sky's economics editor, Ed Conway has posted a Twitter thread responding to a claim that - as far as I can see - Labour never made:
    Are NHS operation cancellations at an all-time high? That's the impression you might have been left with if you read this story from the ...
    1 week ago
  • Finish what’s on your plate
    Murray Cox Do I have to finish my favourite genome? That’s an often-asked question. Geneticists generally strive to produce high-quality genomes that sequence every last gene, making full use of the state-of-the-art technologies coming on stream. Sequencing DNA means determining the order of the four chemical building blocks – called ...
    SciBlogsBy Genomics Aotearoa
    1 week ago
  • Gainful Employment: A Cautionary Tale.
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    1 week ago
  • New Zealand should not fund bigotry
    Two years ago, the Cook Islands government announced that it was planning to join the civilised world and decriminalise consensual homosexual sex between men. Now, they've reversed their position, and decided to criminalise lesbians into the bargain:Two years ago, in a step welcomed by many people including the gay and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • More tyranny in Australia
    The boycott is a fundamental tool of protest. By choosing who we buy from, we can send a message, and hopefully change corporate behaviour. Historically, boycotts have been effective, for example over apartheid in South Africa and Israel, in forcing divestment from Myanmar, and in ending bus segregation in the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Submission for rationality and science against the assaults of pre-modernism and post-modernism
    Jan Rivers spoke at the Abortion Legislation Select Committee in favour of the bill, but in opposition to calls from other submitters to exchange the word ‘woman’ for ‘person’ throughout the bill. Jan is a supporter of the feminist group Speak Up For Women and has recently written an excellent ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • My loyal readership of … Cam girls and Pornbots?
    I checked my traffic stats:I was intrigued by 'monica29' - who was this very dedicated individual?  I clicked on the link, to be greeted with ...Ho, hum.Spreadin' the word, spreadin' the word.  Doesn't matter who hears it, as long as it gets out there. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Worth repeating forever
    There have been three polls since the election was announced, and I will shamelessly steal YouGov / UK Polling Report's Anthony Wells' summary of them:Survation – CON 34%, LAB 26%, LDEM 19%, BREX 12%, GRN 1% Ipsos MORI – CON 41%, LAB 24%, LDEM 20%, BREX 7%, GRN 3% YouGov ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Lutte Ouvriere on the explosion in Chile
    The following article is translated from Lutte Ouvrière, the weekly newspaper of the organisation usually known by the same name in France. When, for the second time this year, Chilean President Piñera announced an increase in the price of Metro tickets from 800 to 830 pesos, students in the high ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Wage theft – I’m fucking over it.
    Today, a worker contacted me asking if she could go to the police over her employer stealing thousands of dollars from her in unpaid wages. The employer also did not pay this worker’s taxes or student loan which amounts to tax fraud. As a workers rights activist, who founded the ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 weeks ago
  • On The Rebound.
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, They're Yours: Is there any person more vulnerable than a jilted lover on the rebound? Or, anything more certain than that the charmer, the predator, the glib spinner of lies and promises will seek such broken people out? Yes, of course, he will love every one of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Rabbi urges congregation to vote against Corbyn
    Though Jonathan Romain is a fairly high profile Rabbi, writing in several papers and popping up on TV and the radio, this story doesn't seem to have made it to the Guardian yet, so I'll take the unusual step of linking the Stephen Pollard edited Jewish Chronicle:Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain ...
    2 weeks ago
  • My absurdly optimistic prediction
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    2 weeks ago
  • October ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image Credit: Increase Social Media Traffic & Website Traffic I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • A mountain of a challenge in banning glyphosate
    Belinda Cridge I was reading my son a story last night. A great tale of derring-do of five mountaineers scaling the Matterhorn for the first time. One in the party had tried six times previously and failed, this was the last attempt before winter closed another season. They tried a ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • This government has a problem with secrecy
    As introduced, the Zero Carbon Bill included an expansive secrecy clause, which would have covered virtually all decisions by the Climate Change Commission over our most important policy area. The Ministry for the Environment admitted this was a mistake (or as they put it, an "oversight"), and the select committee ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A small New Zealand songbird that hides food for later use provides insights into cognitive evolutio...
    Rachael Shaw, Victoria University of Wellington When we think about animals storing food, the image that usually comes to mind is a squirrel busily hiding nuts for the winter. We don’t usually think of a small songbird taking down an enormous invertebrate, tearing it into pieces and hiding these titbits ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Referenda on Euthanasia – NZ First’s Victory – or a Major Miscalculation?
    . . NZ First’s success in putting the euthenasia bill to a public referenda may not be the victory they believe it to be. They may even have sounded the death-knell for a second Labour-NZ First-Green coalition. On 23 July this year, NZ First MP, Jenny Marcroft, submitted a Supplementary ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn the Mighty vs BoJo the Clown
    Interesting contrasting pictures in the Guardian:Corbyn gets the classic positive shot - low angle and a clear background, making him look authoritative (of course, being Corbyn, he doesn't do authoritative very well).Where as Johnson gets pictured with children at some sort of mad-hatters' tea party:Begging the question, who is the ...
    2 weeks ago

  • Addressing miscarriages of justice
    Darroch Ball, Spokesperson for Justice New Zealand First is proud that a key Coalition Agreement commitment which will provide for a more transparent and effective criminal justice system has been realised. Legislation to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission, an independent body focused on identifying and responding to possible miscarriages of ...
    16 hours ago
  • Week That Was: Historic action on climate change
    "Today we have made a choice that will leave a legacy... I hope that means that future generations will see that we, in New Zealand, were on the right side of history." - Jacinda Ardern, Third Reading of the Zero Carbon Bill ...
    5 days ago
  • Tax-free deployments for Kiwi troops
    Darroch Ball, New Zealand First List MP A Member’s bill has been proposed that would provide income tax exemptions for all New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel while on operational deployment overseas. The Income Tax (Exemption for Salary or Wages of NZDF Members on Active Deployment) Amendment Bill proposed by New Zealand First ...
    6 days ago
  • A balanced Zero Carbon Bill passed
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader New Zealand First is proud to have brought common sense to the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill, which passed its final reading in Parliament today. Party Leader Rt Hon Winston Peters says months of hard work went into negotiating a balanced ...
    7 days ago
  • Paramedics’ status to be recognised
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First has listened to calls to recognise paramedics as registered health professionals under the Health Practitioners’ Competence Assurance Act (the Act). Today, the Coalition Government announced plans for paramedics to be registered as health practitioners under the Act, and the establishment of a ...
    1 week ago
  • Week That Was: 2,000 teachers in two years
    We began the week by commemorating the New Zealand Wars and celebrating a major increase in the number of teachers. Then, we were busy supporting offenders into work and getting our rail back on track after years of underinvestment. And that's just the start! ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Winning an election one conversation at a time
    In October I was sworn in as the Mayor of Lower Hutt. It’s the privilege of my life to serve Hutt people as their Mayor. There is something really special to be able to serve the community where I was raised, and where I live.   ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Closer cooperation with Korean horse racing industry
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Racing Racing Minister Winston Peters met with Korea Racing Authority Chairperson Nak Soon Kim in Seoul today to discuss closer cooperation between the New Zealand and Korean horse racing industries. As part of the visit to the Seoul Racecourse, Mr Peters witnessed ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Otago to lead digital creativity
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10 million to establish Otago as the centre of New Zealand’s creative digital industry over the next ten years, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “The initiative will bring us closer to the vision of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Young Otago students encouraged to take on forestry careers
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)’s skills and employment programme will help young Otago people into long-term forestry careers, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. Te Ara Mahi will invest $63,000 in the 2020 school year to support eight 17 and 18 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF backing Dunedin’s waterfront ambitions
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will support local plans to revitalise and stimulate economic development opportunities in Otago, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The four Regional Economic Development Ministers have approved an in-principle investment of $19.9 million towards the region’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • M. Bovis eradication progress welcomed
    Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First is pleased to have received the Technical Advisory Group (TAG) report on the Coalition Government’s Mycoplasma bovis eradication efforts, which shows significant progress in the fight against the disease. New Zealand First Spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, says the report’s findings ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF boosts Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sector
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development Hon David Parker, Minister for Trade and Export Growth The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing to support economic growth opportunities for Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sectors, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones and Trade and Export Minister David Parker announced today. Almost $20 million ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister Peters discusses Pacific challenges and denuclearisation in Seoul
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Minister Winston Peters and his South Korean counterpart, Kang Kyung-wha, discussed in Seoul today opportunities to work more closely in the Pacific and the situation on the Korean Peninsula. Mr Peters and Minister Kang confirmed New Zealand and the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF supports high speed broadband for marae at Parihaka Pa
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development  Hon Nanaia Mahuta, Minister for Māori Development The three marae in the historic Parihaka Pa complex in Taranaki have been upgraded to high speed broadband with the support of the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF), Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “Connecting the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Advancing Pacific Partnerships 2019 launched
    Hon Ron Mark, Minister of Defence Minister of Defence Ron Mark will today launch the Advancing Pacific Partnerships 2019 Defence Assessment  during a speech at Te Papa.  The Assessment outlines how Defence will partner with our Pacific Island neighbours and invest in Pacific regional security architecture. The Plan aligns with the Coalition ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF funding could transform Gisborne company into “beacon of employment” in two years
    A new Provincial Growth Fund investment could create about 80 new jobs in Gisborne over the next two years, turning a local small business into a “beacon of employment” in the process. Regional Economic Development Parliamentary Under-Secretary Fletcher Tabuteau said the PGF’s Te Ara Mahi funding stream would provide $1.6m ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Week That Was: Two years of progress
    This week, we’re taking action on climate change, expanding trades education – and celebrating two years of progress! ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Minister of Foreign Affairs to visit the Republic of Korea and Japan
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters will travel to the Republic of Korea and Japan next week. “The Republic of Korea and Japan are two of New Zealand’s closest partners in the region with whom we share common values and ...
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