web analytics

No confidence?

Written By: - Date published: 7:48 am, January 17th, 2019 - 22 comments
Categories: Europe, Media, the praiseworthy and the pitiful, uk politics, you couldn't make this shit up - Tags:

22 comments on “No confidence? ”

  1. mickysavage 1

    The votes are being counted …

    • mickysavage 1.1

      And May and the Conservatives survive 325 to 306.

      But this is not going away. They still have to sort out the Brexit mess.

      • 325 is a significant number. It’s exactly half of the MPs in the 650 seat house. So, not a majority in that sense.

        • Dennis Frank 1.1.1.1

          So the vote was 47% for no confidence, 50% for confidence. The other 3% abstained? Maybe they were on leave or something.

          There’s always the possibility that they thought the question was too hard to answer. Recalling that 50% of voters are of below-average intelligence, so half the MPs there reflect that, and we ought not to be surprised that the thickest stumble on those difficult questions…

          • te reo putake 1.1.1.1.1

            I like your theory that the MPs reflect their constituents! The Liverpool Irish tourists currently dominating our news seem to be well represented in the UK Parliament 😉

            Of the 650, Sinn Fein have always refused to take up the seats they win, so the number needed to command an effective majority is around 320, rather than 326. There are also a number of independents in the house (3 or 4 from NI and Wales, I think). They’ll be reasons for others not being there, resignations, ill health, death etc.

            • Dennis Frank 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Thanks. The beeb has this : “Theresa May has said she will have discussions with senior politicians from other parties about how to deliver the Brexit plan.”

              Assuming Corbyn is included, and Sturgeon, this will be a genuine consensus-seeking process. No reason to assume it won’t succeed, eh?

  2. Dennis Frank 2

    BBC live 8:02 Results are due in about 15 minutes.

  3. greywarshark 3

    19 majority for May and saved by hard-line Northern Irish vote.

  4. Dennis Frank 4

    So she survived, 325 to 306. A testimony to Tory solidarity, but not by a hell of a lot. Now she has to design Plan B and get them behind it. The camera gave us an interesting god’s-eye view of the chattering classes in hubbub mode, eh? No sense of grim fatalism, or desperate struggle. Crisis? What crisis?

  5. Chris T 5

    I think people are more worried over the thought of Corbyn getting in than Brexit.

    And it isn’t like he is spewing out his brilliant ideas with how to deal with it.

    As much as I dislike May’s plan, she is the only one in the building with any balls.

    • AB 5.1

      “I think people are more worried over the thought of Corbyn getting in than Brexit.”
      If by “people” you mean the 100-odd Tory MPs who voted against May’s plan, you are correct.
      If you are insinuating anything wider than that – your’e a propagandist bullshitter.

      • Chris T 5.1.1

        Have a wild guess.

        Considering the only ones that voted are politicians I think you will get it right.

    • Dennis Frank 5.2

      I think that’s a fair comment. She has been demonstrating leadership. The quality of that leadership is poor: 2.5 years of failure to produce consensus on the Brexit plan.

      So she remains leader by default. Looks like none of the other Tory leadership contenders was able to demonstrate sufficient leadership capacity to win the support of their colleagues as a viable replacement.

      Corbyn strategy of waiting for her to fail is shrewd, but I do acknowledge that it makes him seem lacking in leadership capacity. Timing is everything, so it could just mean he knows what to do, and will play his hand at the right time…

      • Anne 5.2.1

        It has long struck me Corbyn and co. are playing the waiting game but you can’t go on waiting forever. At some point you have to ‘lay your cards on the table’ and their time has surely come.

        God, I sound like Peter Sellers’ party political speech… but British Labour do seem to have ‘shilly shallied’ around on Brexit. They can’t just demand a General Election because they don’t have the numbers. They’ve got to make some specific decisions on what proposed outcome they are willing to support and what they plan to reject.

        Oh and I like your 50% theory DF. I think though that the majority of Brit. MPs are likely a tad more intelligent than the bottom 50% of their constituents. And of course the same theory applies here too which is frequently evident on this site alone. 🙂

  6. Wayne 6

    I note May says she will reach out to other parties. Has to be done but probably a waste of time.

    Her key role is to convince the 118 in her own party she has a solution. Unless that solution is just running down the clock to a No deal Brexit (apart form pragmatic work rounds).

    That currently is the default position, and it is possible/probable there is no majority to stop that.

    She may try a substantive discussion with the EU to get rid of the sticking points in the current deal. That is now a case of brinkmanship. The EU either has to do that, or face a no deal. Maybe the EU is fine with a No deal for the time being. with a FTA to be negotiated later. It sends a shot across the bows of any other members contemplating leaving. All of whom are in more difficult circumstances than the UK.

    • Anne 6.1

      Thanks for that Wayne. I have found the whole Brexit thing extremely confusing to say the least.

      So, its brinkmanship whichever way you look at it. Not a good sign for a common sense outcome that is advantageous for everyone.

      They should never have had the referendum in the first place precisely because – as DF says – nearly 50% of the population were not up to understanding what they were voting for anyway.

    • Ovid 6.2

      It’s always been a case of brinksmanship. Invoking Art. 50 before starting negotiations gave them a ticking clock from the start and the expectations the UK government had were always unrealistic.

      Cameron probably should have negotiated an exit deal before taking it to the public at large in the referendum, the Leave campaign promised the world.

  7. Bill Drees 7

    THE IRISH coast guard has today issued a nationwide warning for the East Coast as hundreds of thousands of British refugees risk their lives to cross the Irish sea in an attempt to flee the impoverished and unstable nation.

    Dinghies overflowing with desperate migrants are so far half way through their journey, many with women and children aboard, wishing to make a new start on the Emerald Isle.

    “We have rescued hundreds of people from crafts due to overcrowding,” winchman Derek Ryan of Rescue 117 told WWN today. “It’s a terrible situation as many of these people are only hoping for a better quality of life in the EU”.

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny has called an emergency meeting in the Dáil this afternoon to help find a solution to the influx of British refugees.

    It is expected many of those landing on the Irish coast will have to be quarantined, as they are not a part of the European Union.

    “Emergency prefabs will be erected to help cope and house these poor unfortunate people,” Mr. Kenny stated. “I urge everyone to do what they can to help support the migrants in any way, whether that be waiting with hots cups of tea on the shoreline, to giving them fresh clothes to wear”.

    An estimated 450,000 people have already fled the UK mainland to neighbouring EU countries.

  8. ianmac 8

    Corbyn has refused to be party to the Cross-party talks. If Labour participated and a plan was created all those taking part would be responsible for the outcome.

    In NZ this was how the Water Forum worked with about 40 bodies taking part, but largely ignored so that National could falsely claim unity.

  9. CHCOff 9

    The system that didn’t want Brexit is all about hard/soft/no brexit.

    Looking from outside in relation to a Commonwealth perspective, would put the parameters as a strong or weak (which includes no) brexit which is about different criterias…

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Celebrating the Entry Into Force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons
    [Opening comments, welcome and thank you to Auckland University etc] It is a great pleasure to be here this afternoon to celebrate such an historic occasion - the entry into force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. This is a moment many feared would never come, but ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Supporting disabled people to stay connected
    The Government is providing $3 million in one-off seed funding to help disabled people around New Zealand stay connected and access support in their communities, Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni announced today. The funding will allow disability service providers to develop digital and community-based solutions over the next two ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Voluntary saliva testing offered to quarantine workers from Monday
    Border workers in quarantine facilities will be offered voluntary daily COVID-19 saliva tests in addition to their regular weekly testing, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. This additional option will be rolled out at the Jet Park Quarantine facility in Auckland starting on Monday 25 January, and then to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Next steps in firearms buy-back
    The next steps in the Government’s ambitious firearms reform programme to include a three-month buy-back have been announced by Police Minister Poto Williams today.  “The last buy-back and amnesty was unprecedented for New Zealand and was successful in collecting 60,297 firearms, modifying a further 5,630 firearms, and collecting 299,837 prohibited ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New Public Housing Plan announced
    The Government has released its Public Housing Plan 2021-2024 which outlines the intention of where 8,000 additional public and transitional housing places announced in Budget 2020, will go. “The Government is committed to continuing its public house build programme at pace and scale. The extra 8,000 homes – 6000 public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Prime Minister congratulates President Joe Biden on his inauguration
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated President Joe Biden on his inauguration as the 46th President of the United States of America. “I look forward to building a close relationship with President Biden and working with him on issues that matter to both our countries,” Jacinda Ardern said. “New Zealand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Jobs for Nature funding will create training and employment opportunities
    A major investment to tackle wilding pines in Mt Richmond will create jobs and help protect the area’s unique ecosystems, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor says. The Mt Richmond Forest Park has unique ecosystems developed on mineral-rich geology, including taonga plant species found nowhere else in the country. “These special plant ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Pre-departure testing extended to all passengers to New Zealand
    To further protect New Zealand from COVID-19, the Government is extending pre-departure testing to all passengers to New Zealand except from Australia, Antarctica and most Pacific Islands, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “The change will come into force for all flights arriving in New Zealand after 11:59pm (NZT) on Monday ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Bay Cadets learn skills to protect environment
    Bay Conservation Cadets launched with first intake Supported with $3.5 million grant Part of $1.245b Jobs for Nature programme to accelerate recover from Covid Cadets will learn skills to protect and enhance environment Environment Minister David Parker today welcomed the first intake of cadets at the launch of the Bay ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Cook Islanders to resume travel to New Zealand
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Mark Brown have announced passengers from the Cook Islands can resume quarantine-free travel into New Zealand from 21 January, enabling access to essential services such as health. “Following confirmation of the Cook Islands’ COVID ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Supporting communities and landowners to grow employment opportunities
    Jobs for Nature funding is being made available to conservation groups and landowners to employ staff and contractors in a move aimed at boosting local biodiversity-focused projects, Conservation Minister Kiritapu Allan has announced. It is estimated some 400-plus jobs will be created with employment opportunities in ecology, restoration, trapping, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Border exception for some returning international tertiary students
    The Government has approved an exception class for 1000 international tertiary students, degree level and above, who began their study in New Zealand but were caught offshore when border restrictions began. The exception will allow students to return to New Zealand in stages from April 2021. “Our top priority continues ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Tiwai deal gives time for managed transition
    Today’s deal between Meridian and Rio Tinto for the Tiwai smelter to remain open another four years provides time for a managed transition for Southland. “The deal provides welcome certainty to the Southland community by protecting jobs and incomes as the region plans for the future. The Government is committed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New member for APEC Business Advisory Council
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has appointed Anna Curzon to the APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC). The leader of each APEC economy appoints three private sector representatives to ABAC. ABAC provides advice to leaders annually on business priorities. “ABAC helps ensure that APEC’s work programme is informed by business community perspectives ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt’s careful economic management recognised
    The Government’s prudent fiscal management and strong policy programme in the face of the COVID-19 global pandemic have been acknowledged by the credit rating agency Fitch. Fitch has today affirmed New Zealand’s local currency rating at AA+ with a stable outlook and foreign currency rating at AA with a positive ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Additional actions to keep COVID-19 out of NZ
    The Government is putting in place a suite of additional actions to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, including new emerging variants, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “Given the high rates of infection in many countries and evidence of the global spread of more transmissible variants, it’s clear that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 19 projects will clean up and protect waterways
    $36 million of Government funding alongside councils and others for 19 projects Investment will clean up and protect waterways and create local jobs Boots on the ground expected in Q2 of 2021 Funding part of the Jobs for Nature policy package A package of 19 projects will help clean up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Government acknowledges 175th anniversary of Battle of Ruapekapeka
    The commemoration of the 175th anniversary of the Battle of Ruapekapeka represents an opportunity for all New Zealanders to reflect on the role these conflicts have had in creating our modern nation, says Associate Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Kiri Allan. “The Battle at Te Ruapekapeka Pā, which took ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Better care for babies with tongue-tie
    Babies born with tongue-tie will be assessed and treated consistently under new guidelines released by the Ministry of Health, Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. Around 5% to 10% of babies are born with a tongue-tie, or ankyloglossia, in New Zealand each year. At least half can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago