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Is the Prime Minister John Key who claims to know what Labour has supposedly said in secret talks with SkyCity (talks that Cunliffe denies have happened) because it’s ‘all over town’ the same Prime Minister John Key who couldn’t be bothered to read a police report on one of his ministers who is now going to be tried for the offences investigated in said report? Asking for a friend.
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The same PM who didn’t know he had TranzRail shares, who’forgot’ that he has been regularly meeting with his mate Ian Fletcher, whom he later employed as a GCSB boss; ‘didn’t know’ that one of the richest men in NZ, Kim Dotcom, lived in his own electorate and has been sought after by USA authorities, etc etc etc…It’s amazing how easily he can memorise unsubstantiated gossip, isn’t it?
John Banks is running a master class on the art of what you know and what you forget
Do UN bank accounts count?
out for the count
On the list of our PM’s brain fades? No I don’t think so.
The same PM who didn’t know he had TranzRail shares, who’forgot’ that he has been regularly meeting with his mate Ian Fletcher, whom he later employed as a GCSB boss; ‘didn’t know’ that one of the richest men in NZ, Kim Dotcom, lived in his own electorate and has been sought after by USA authorities, etc etc etc…
Key also “couldn’t remember” whether or not he supported apartheid football in 1981.
While remembering that he was on the edge of his seat as John Walker made the finish line in the 1976 Olympics.
Meanwhile back in MSM lalaland, the New Zealand Herald headlines its editorial inability to understand (or perhaps its disinclination to report) David Cunliffe’s unequivocal statement that there has been ‘no undertaking with SkyCity’: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11144472. Pathetic.
I read that article and, honestly, did not think they misrepresented Cunliffe’s statement. Yes, he said no deal had been struck between SkyCity and the Party, but he also did NOT take a clear position like that taken by Metiria and the Greens.
She made it clear that the Green Party, if given the chance, would repeal the deal and impose stricter regulations around gambling. Cunliffe, on the other hand, basically said what doesn’t need to be said. Parliament is our supreme law-making body and that won’t change under his watch. How revolutionary, huh?
No offense, but it is actually a bit pathetic when people continue to overstate the “right-wingness” of the NZ Herald. I’ve heard heaps of people also refer to our MSM as too “Lefty”. I wonder who’s right?
The main source of revenue for papers like the New Zealand Herald are major corporate advertisers pitching wares at the upper middle class and wealthy. Not at the unemployed and underprivileged.
So of course the NZ Herald pitches right wing with a bias towards the moneyed side of town, it only makes business sense for them to do so, sprinkled with the occasional token Lefty contribution.
Judging by your non-chalance, it seems like you don’t understand the true implications of what he is saying. Don’t worry, other people will.
TV3 interview with David Cunliffe on Skycity issue, and MP payrises.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffe-hedges-bets-on-SkyCity-deal/tabid/1607/articleID/318403/Default.aspx
Firm, calm responses – the government has a sovereign responsibility to govern in the public interest and to regulate gambling harm. Nice one DC.
Now we know who you are the fawning, for some reason, just feels a little more sickening.
That sentence makes no sense. Your poor use of the english language is just a little sickening.
Comment from DC was firm and calm. I’d add “authoritative”. That’s not fawning. That’s descriptive.
King Kong is shattered that Colonial Viper is Tat Loo. The Kong was hoping that CV was a nobody like himself and the truth is really hurting the apes sense of self worth.
What? You mean the quack healing, Chinese fella who has come as close to dead last as you can get in every political race he has entered.
Truly striding the earth like a colossus.
to you the prize for initiating the fall of the RW commentators into the abyss…carry on…didn’t take you long.
How many political races have you had the monkey-balls to enter, ape shit?
I have far too much integrity to be a politician.It would also require me to take an enormous pay cut.
You mean KK you have far too little intelligence or political nous for any political party to come within a mile of you,(yawn another ‘fantasy’ millionaire who spends all day at the Standard)…
Second just behind the Deputy Prime Minister, and MP for Clutha-Southland, the Hon. Bill English. Not too bad for a first tilt, I thought 😉
don’t waste good rice on the cheap shots my friend; it’ll be a mass ache
Yep.
lol
Actually, the conclusions reached by the likes of Gavin Harris, Geoff Kemp, Richard Mulgan, Bryce Edwards and Nicky Hager (all of whom, I assume, know more about our media than you) is that our media outlets’ inadequacies are NOT derived from their servitude to “right-wing corporate interests”. Primarily, our journalists are not unscrupulous, but under-resourced. They are pressured into promoting entertaining, rather than informing news so that advertisers are happy, but there is no indication whatsoever they are puppets for big political players in the background.
So no, I don’t buy into the idea outlets like the Herald are completely biased towards one side or the other; I think they’re mostly incompetent, particularly in the face of an increasingly sophisticated PR industry.
Which reminds me, your last comment made you seem like a bit of a spinner, mate. I don’t care if it originates in the Right or in the Left, spinning stinks. “Firm, calm” responses? DC deserves praise AND criticism when they’re due.
Most journalists (not jonolists) are pretty fair minded. There are exceptions of course.
But if you really believe that papers do not take an editorial line on many issues, which they have done since day dot, you’ve missed something.
That’s weird, you jumped from describing the problem as being a lack of resources, to the problem being incompetence.
Which is it?
Also no one was claiming “complete bias”. That was just something you chucked in yourself.
I’m with you Tat Loo, line them all up against a wall and put a bullet in them.
wooden spoon
Never
often clicked, never Eton
“I’m with you Tat Loo, line them all up against a wall and put a bullet in them.”
BM, you pulled this shit the other day, and you were asked to find a reference to Tat/CV saying he wanted journalists shot.
You failed.
Seeing as you’re bringing it up again, I assume you’ve managed to find a link.
Out with it then.
(ps we both know there isn’t one so you might as well save yourself some time and just apologise now)
Think you’re getting me confused with KK.
Anyway here’s some links
http://thestandard.org.nz/tat-loo-viper-pilot/#comment-713910
Did you even read them? None of them say anything about CV wanting journalists shot.
Apology please.
felix, you are an officer and a gentleman.
and you may be a vagaBond
I was under the impression CV wanted any one who’s to the right of Stalin tortured and then shot, so I rather assumed that included journalists.
If this isn’t the case, I give you my sincere apologies.
jury’s out
“I was under the impression …”
You’re under all manner of impressions BM, all of them bullshit.
I agree with Tat on this. It’s more about a “bias” rather than being a deliberate attempt to present a right wing view as much as possible. The bias comes from the corporate media, the editors selected to be sympathetic to corporate interests, and the whole infotainment approach to the MSM – the latter part of the neoliberal revolution – it often diverts from crucial issues and focuses on superficial conflicts, dramas, and accessible visual representations. A neoliberal view is embedded in such an approach – the medium is the message.
It’s not so much due to biased individual journalists, who I believe do their best to present the news fairly. But they work within the parameters set by the editors and management, and are selected so as being likely not to rock the corporate boat too much.
Sometimes the approach is deliberately supportive of the right wing: eg the NZ Herald’s “Democracy under attack” campaign. Most often the bias is less deliberate and more subtle.
Nicolas, you are misrepresenting some of the guys you mention – certainly that’s not Hager’s view. This is what he said in his Jesson lecture.
More like that in the lecture, where Hager outlines the problems in a lot of detail.
When The River Runs Dry
You will return to the scene of the crime…
of The Century.
I am hoping that Cunliffe’s milk and water response was an involuntary hangover from the days of non-commitalism that plagued labour for years.
There is something bizaare about Slippery the Prime Ministers little ‘faux revelation’ over what Labour might or might not do when it becomes the Government in 2014 with regards the ‘Sky-city deal’,
i watched this story on TV3 news last night and the comparison in the two leaders of the respective parties, Labour and National was stark, Slippery the PM looking every bit the disheveled used car salesman gave off an air of desperation as He tried to convince God only knows who for God knows what reason that He has the inside gossip from within the Labour Party on what they would do with with the shoddy Sky-city deal struck by that company and Slippery’s National Government,
On the other hand David Cunliffe looked every bit the composed Prime Minister in waiting as He quietly without undue rhetoric poo pooed Slippery the PM’s latest flight from the factual world of reality,
Why the desperation tho, there has to be a reason why Slippery is trying to light a fire, one reason may be that Nationals own paid for Party polling is matching,(or worse), than what has been revealed by the last couple of Roy Morgans,
The other, Blubber boy, the stench, the woeful trail of wreckage among the Party faithful in Auckland has as yet left the Parliamentary National MP’s blissfully untouched, without knowledge of, involvement in, and, if you will having all taken the vows of silence over,
Except now, there is the rumor that Len Brown was tipped off by none other then a National Party MP that National’s own shit-spewing publicity organ in the form of Blubber boy was about to ‘out’ Brown,
Is the Prime Ministers starting of a fire of distraction really just a pathetic ham-fisted attempt to divert attention away from what is as yet only the tiny whiff of a deeper story which leads right back to Nationals Parliamentary wing’s hands having been sullied by a deeper and as yet unreported involvement in this affair,
Blubber boy reckons there is more yet to be revealed about the ‘Brown affair’, obviously believing anything that one says is always going to be a 50/50 proposition, BUT, if there is More to come, then, under fire from His own, i would suggest the only scandal, if He has one to release, can only be with regards a deeper involvement in the ‘Brown affair’ from Nationals Parliamentary wing than has so far been revealed…
Perhaps Key is just trying to tell someone he has the GCSB in his pocket along with the SAS and The filth, so basically he know everything, so a warning maybe be careful Mr/Mrs before you …………………. etc.
No doubt Cunliffe has been talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Honestly, you don’t score a million dollar pad in Herne bay being a raving communist.
All this cancel this, take back that stuff is complete bull shit said to keep the the paid up party members placated.
One song sheet for the Labour sheeple, another one for business.
What should be worrying you is that many small and medium business owners quite like the new Labour message; after waiting for John Key’s brighter future for 5 years it’s no wonder.
What a load of horse shit
Higher wage costs,crippling environmental taxes, another 10 tons of government bureaucracy and unionists poking their nose into their business every 5 minutes.
Yeah, wow small to medium businesses are practically gagging for a new Labour led government.
The only ones who don’t care are the big boys such as Sky city as they control the show, they’re above all that.
What a load of horse shit.
I think you will find that most businesses would rather an equal and prosperous community where people earned enough to live on. That way their businesses prosper.
You should get out more.
Correct – what BM regards as “higher wage costs” in fact equals “higher discretionary income for customers” – which is a great thing for small business.
“Yeah, wow small to medium businesses are practically gagging for a new Labour led government.”
We are BM, more money in the working man and woman’s pocket, so they can save it for their first home or spend it as they see fit, retailers and small business owners will be rubbing there hands together in glee as they were the last time Labour were running the show, when a lot of hard working people made their fortunes, not sitting on their asses trading bits of paper, but with sweat and hard work.
Yep!
Perhaps you might like to provide the details on how you know these sme owners are signing up for their little red books.
Talking to your dairy owner each morning doesn’t equate to “many”
If they were actually being offered little red books you might have a point.
What they’re actually being offered (among other things) is the higher per capita GDP that always accompanies a Labour led government.
KK
That’s where our politicians get much of their background and backing for proceeding with their policies. They will often use the vague terms ‘people’ , or ‘everybody in NZ’ even. And they might include ‘overseas’ if they want to give an exotic authority to their precious brainfarts. Try listening, looking and thinking to them before coming here with your amused, bemused, naive questions.
ook!
Given Labour’s message is mainly Blairite third wayism, I’m having difficulty spotting the difference.
FO
“Honestly, you don’t score a million dollar pad in Herne bay being a raving communist.”
You’re right. All you have to do is have bought your house sometime during the 90s and held onto it.
Pretty easy.
Lanthanide, you obviously do not live in Akl.
When I returned from the UK in 92 I looked for housing in Auckland , finally settling on Onehunga which was the only suburb I could afford to buy in that was moderatly central. I paid 125K for the old 3 bed villa , that needed the full reno (rewireing, plumbing, lining, roof and pileing). Equivalent do -ups in Grey Lynn were 170K , Ponsonby were 200k and Herne bay was at least 250K , a shit load of money back then. Also my salary working in a science related business was 22K.
Point being Herne Bay has been a very expensive suburb for along time and it is not open to poor strugglers.
It’s a good thing Cunliffe hasn’t claimed to be a poor struggler then eh.
Can’t help admiring the guy though, he actually wants to improve things for strugglers. Whereas Key only cares for his rich mates.
Funny how the Righties are resorting to the politics of envy. It’s so sad to see
No envy, just reality about Akl house prices, but you are probably the oracle on that as well Tat.
pipped at the post
Yep thats great Fender, maybe he will share the scraps from last nights dinner party with you.
Yeah, or Skycity casino could collect them to feed their addicts, good thinking Rob.
BM, aaah a good reply in the vein of the spastics knee can jerk after all, what i understand Labour leader David Cunliffe to be saying is that Labour once Government after November 2014, something i am sure has your knees twitching uncontrollably, is hardly going to stop construction of the proposed convention center in it’s tracks,
Sky City seems to me to have the right to build such a convention center at it’s whim, however, Cunliffe has directly said that as the Government Labour and i assume the Green Party have the right to Legislate to ensure the minimization of harm from gambling and in this case pokey machines in particular,
Put more simply, as YOU appear to all extents and purposes to be one, a simpleton that is, the next Labour/Green Government WILL Legislate for the number of pokey machines Sky-city are allowed on its current site in Auckland,
To further simplify what will happen for you, in consideration of your obvious intellectual limitations, Sky-city will be allowed the same number of pokey machines on it’s present site as it had befor the ‘deal’ was struck with National,
If Sky-city knowing this still ‘choose’ to build the proposed convention center what have they got to whine about…
You are in the wrong place BM. You are clearly blue in a red/green zone;-)
I’m more a purple shade.
The colour of a knob.
However, Nat blue and Act yellow combined will normally result in green. But as we have seen from the last five years it’s actually resulted in ‘baby-shit-brown’.
You might want to loosen your grip a bit there fella.
It might develop gangrene and fall off.
While I was speaking from a strictly colour-mixing point of view, I see you too have summed up the hue NZ is suffering from with your reference to gangrene, well done Bowel Motion, or is it Big Meconium
biliously blue
BM
Men I have seen with purple faces are usually showing signs of advanced alcolholism. If that’s your reason for the colour, my sympathies. Keep taking the medicine though. You might as well enjoy your days, I don’t think repair can be achieved if at the purple stage.
Big fan of apartheid Phil?
Like John Key was in 1981 you mean?
No
That’s not what Key said.
Go back to Whale Oil and Kiwiblog BM that is your home you are out of step with reality over here.
BM and KK are over here at the Standard because of the fact that the comments they make stand out, over at the Sewerage pipes they are just minor dumps of intellectual defecation among the 1000’s of others talking shit,
Neither of them have anything of a factual nature to impart their sole reason for commenting is to try and drag the Post off into unreadable Derrrr comments….
Poor little poppets. For the attention deprived, even being proved to be fools over and over again is better than getting no attention.
no being rostered on to TS is their role as shitelands is sitting on the naughty step so they’ve been very busy trolls lately. Maybe chris73’s day off.,
Did you just say “go back to the townships, you are not welcome here?”.
I guess that makes me the Nelson Mandela of the Standard and BM the Desmond Tutu.
mate – your in no position to be playing the race card
How would you know? I am Maori, as a matter of fact.
So what?
More like Mangosuthu Buthelezi and Eugene Terreblanche as far as I can see.
Xox
Donkeys go where Donkeys go. Kk go to the zoo, with the Donkeys.
Stand strong David, we don’t owe the MSM or the PM for that matter any policy-on-the-hoof just ’cause they want something to beat us over the head with.
I’m just posting to say that New Zealand politics needs more representation by pink ponies. Please increase the pink pony quota 110% 🙂
corral those dogies
Hahaha, so it’s gotten to the point where Key has just claimed he has no ministerial responsibility over his own statements.
His own statements about his own Ministerial appointments, no less!
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