NRT: Gagging Kim Dotcom

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1. captain hook 1

   27 March 2014 at 11:26 am

   I dont really give a shit about dotcom but I respect his right to a fair hearing and his right to take part in the political process. That he is now the vicitim of a smear campaign is beyond doubt but what I would like to know is who enticed him here in the first place. If that were known then I think we would know the reason for wail boils antipathy and efforts to gag him.
   • Tracey 1.1

     27 March 2014 at 12:51 pm

     given the hearings are in front of judge alone and not juries wtf do tweets matter.

     i am with you capt, i dont give a shit about dotcom but i shudder to think that in chasing him a precedent for others in nz could be set for bad behaviour.
2. Wayne 2

   27 March 2014 at 12:48 pm

   It depends what KDC is saying in his Tweets, (and I don’t actually know what he is saying).

   But there is a decision of the High Court from 2004 in relation to Nick Smith that basically says you can’t say scurrilous things about the courts. The statements he made were deemed to be in contempt. He got fined $5000.

   And it is not accurate to suggest the Govt (in a political sense) has any involvement in this. This will entirely be the view of the Crown Lawyer.

   The Law Commission is currently reviewing the law of contempt.
   • geoff 2.1

     27 March 2014 at 12:59 pm

     True, the National party haven’t quite taken over the court process yet. I expect they will probably do that if they win a 3rd term.

     Its would be very interesting to find out exactly how much involvement John Key, Steven Joyce, Wayne Eagleson etc had in the smear campaign against Kim Dotcom.

     From your experience in National, Wayne, to what degree do JK and Co. get there hands dirty in these sordid little afffairs?

     [lprent: I tend to view “when did you last beat your wife/husband/children” questions as simple flame starters. Not particularly helpful from an author. ]
   • lprent 2.2

     27 March 2014 at 1:06 pm

     It depends what KDC is saying in his Tweets, (and I don’t actually know what he is saying).

     I gather that the CP were instancing a passage from from court documents in a tweet. About the only thing that you could fit in 140 chars was a sentence. I’d question that doing a fullscale gag of tweets based on a possibility of contempt would be somewhat inappropriate. Telling him not to release quoted sentences would be.

     But there is a decision of the High Court from 2004 in relation to Nick Smith that basically says you can’t say scurrilous things about the courts.

     And I agree with that (we use the same principle in these pages) about commenting on the authors personally or the purpose of the site. However the tweets that the CP appear to be referring to aren’t about the court itself, they’re about the behaviour of the prosecution and the police. I’ve read several.

     I have no particular like for dotcom but I’m scathing about their role. Should I be shut up as well?

     For that matter the courts themselves have been scathing about their actions as well. For instance duplicating data from evidence for the FBI with neither the approval of the sitting court or a successful extradition on the legally dubious charges made against Mega.

     The Law Commission is currently reviewing the law of contempt.

     Can I suggest that mandatory prison sentences for police officers releasing evidence and information to third parties would be appropriate. It seems to be a speciality of theirs.
     • Tracey 2.2.1

       27 March 2014 at 1:11 pm

       is reading slugslick andd farrar compulsory for national party mps and members? it would explain alot.
     • Sacha 2.2.2

       27 March 2014 at 8:06 pm

       “However the tweets that the CP appear to be referring to aren’t about the court itself, they’re about the behaviour of the prosecution and the police.”

       So they are trying to claim contempt for the prosecution as contempt of the court? Nice try. And this is the same Kristy McDonald who was engaged to offer ‘independent’ advice on the GCSB’s failings.
   • ghostwhowalksnz 2.3

     27 March 2014 at 1:10 pm

     Nick Smith didnt just say scurrilous things about the court- after all he claimed he was a member of parliament and parliament was the highest court in the land.

     An absurdity doesnt really count as undermining the processes of justice.

     What Nick Smith DID did do was influence a witness during a current court case

     And to add to this outrage the national partys catholic mafia went on a personal attack to the Solictor General for referring this incident to the High Court
     • lprent 2.3.1

       27 March 2014 at 1:32 pm

       Good point. I’d forgotten the details.

       http://thestandard.org.nz/the-shameless-nick-smith/

       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Smith_(New_Zealand_politician)#Contempt_of_Court

       Contempt of Court[edit]
       In late March 2004, Smith was found guilty of contempt of court. He had been asked to assist a constituent with a Family Court case and made a number of public comments which broke the court’s confidentiality rules and was also found to have pressured a witness in the case. Smith’s defence was that he was exercising his responsibility as a constituency MP to aid a constituent and that his public utterances in the matter had served the public interest, but these claims were rejected by the court. The Speaker, Jonathan Hunt, held that contempt of court was insufficient to warrant expulsion from Parliament, as it did not fall within the statutory definition of a crime.
3. PapaMike 3

   27 March 2014 at 2:01 pm

   In an extradition case all the Judge has to do is to look at the evidence given by the persons seeking the extradition (US Government, that is already in the public domain, on line for those who wish to look) and decide whether in his/her opinion there is a case to answer or not.
   Nothing else.

   [lprent: Banned for 2 weeks for being a lazy fuckwit making a assertion of fact that is in fact false. The criteria are reasonably complex, but in particular contain this.

   http://www.mfat.govt.nz/downloads/treaties-and-international-law/Extradition-Act-summary.pdf

   involves conduct that would be regarded as
   criminal had it occurred in New Zealand, and
   would have carried a similar penalty

   If you want to make a statement of abolute fact, then spend a few minutes checking it. Don’t be a lazy arsehole asking others for verification without doing your own. And read the policy. ]
   
   • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1

     27 March 2014 at 2:17 pm

     Nothing else? They repealed Sections 4(2-4) and 23 and 24? Really? Are you sure?
   • Tracey 3.2

     27 March 2014 at 2:47 pm

     could you post your source for this comment?
4. Tracey 4

   27 March 2014 at 5:39 pm

   barry soper surprisingly to me, downplayed the ownership of the signed book on prime news just now.

   the head of the jewish council said he has a copy and its if you believe the things hitler wrote in it that matters. hard to argue with that really.
   • Populuxe1 4.1

     27 March 2014 at 5:54 pm

     Most libraries have a copy – that’s not the issue. It’s the specific volume
     • Tracey 4.1.1

       27 March 2014 at 6:00 pm

       Do you think the head of the jewish council didnt know the volume dotcom has when he made that comment?
       • Populuxe1 4.1.1.1

         27 March 2014 at 11:30 pm

         Are you suggesting that all jews are the same?
5. Tigger 5

   27 March 2014 at 9:27 pm

   Scurrilous? Interesting adjective. Very ‘Finlayson’ given his florrid style.
6. Richard Christie 6

   28 March 2014 at 2:24 pm

   Kristy McDonald is one of the Crown and MOJs’s “go to” * QCs for patsy opinion who recently reviewed Scott Watson’s trial (Hope, Smart disappearances presumed murdered).

   It is salient to note that in Watson’s case his character was systematically assassinated pre-trail by police and patsy journalists such as Cate Brett. Details of such can be read on journalist and author Keith Hunter’s website hunterproductions.co.nz or in his film and book ,Trial by Trickery.

   Also on the website is analysis of McDonald’s made-to-measure report.

   Strangely, she didn’t consider Inspector Rob Pope’s nor Brett’s actions as scurrilous or having had an undermining effect on justice.

   the other being Robert Fisher, who dutifully rubbished Binnie’s recommendations on David Bain’s compensation, and earlier the compensation bid of Rex Haig, after Haig’s conviction was quashed.

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