NRT: Just the beginning

Written By: - Date published: 2:26 pm, December 2nd, 2014 - 59 comments
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From I/S at No Right Turn.

Just the beginning

 The Key/Kitteridge Countering Terrorist Fighters Legislation Bill isn’t even law yet, and the SIS are already planning their next power grab:

The Prime Minister has signalled the Government will look to introduce much tougher security laws after a review next year.

John Key said the Countering Terrorist Fighters Bill, due to be reported back to Parliament today, was just the beginning.

He said a full review of security settings would consider broader changes to intelligence-gathering and counter-terrorism.

Mr Key said it would potentially look much further than the current legislation before Parliament.

You got that? 4824-hour warrantless surveillance and the spies being able to stick cameras in people’s bedrooms to gather “intelligence” are “just the beginning”.

This is why it is so important for Labour to oppose the bill: to make clear public disquiet and strip Key of his self-proclaimed “moral mandate” for more spying. Instead, they’recollaborating in it. And this is why they’re useless as an opposition, and will be more useless as a government.

I will not vote for a party which supports spying. Neither should you.


59 comments on “NRT: Just the beginning”

  1. Chooky 1

    Labour should NOT be supporting this Bill at all!

    ….just as the Greens are NOT….and nor is Winston NZF !

    ….Maori Party?…it is Maori who will most likely fall victims of this law if it is passed…the Maori Party must oppose this Bill

    United Future?…


  2. Macro 2

    No I won’t be voting for a Party that votes for this Bill. I didn’t serve 15 years in the Military for you or me to be spied upon. And former spy agency boss Sir Bruce Ferguson warns caution too:
    “On Radio New Zealand, former GCSB director, Sir Bruce Ferguson also warned of the threats posed by the new laws: “We’ve got to be very, very careful that we are not using the excuse of terrorism to actually erode the very freedoms we defend.””
    So Labour – heads up – you don’t get my vote!

  3. lprent 3

    If Labour and the Greens support this – as unlikely as that seems, they should probably insist that a complete record of all actual terrorist cells in NZ is kept.

    At present, this would have to have Cameron Slater/Lusk/Farrar and their associates at the *only* position on the list. The left should insist that they are specifically listed because of their proven ability to disrupt the political system of NZ.

    But facetiousness aside, I fail to see *any* point in this legislation. I agree with I/S. Labour and everyone else with a conscience should oppose this legislation. We have more than a sufficiency of legislation giving powers to all security agencies to deal with internal issues – and usually the paranoid who appear to populate the security agencies appear to be incapable of using those lawfully.

    To date I haven’t seen a single *valid* reason why we need to grant them more powers. All I have seen are some bigoted fools inflating a particularly viscous group operating in a power vacuum. They tend to fail against any mildly stiff opposition. They simply don’t appear to be more than a propaganda threat.

    I can’t see how stopping young fools from joining them is going to do squat. Any more than I can see how better screening at the security agencies is going to improve their abilities to operate intelligently and lawfully.

    • Karen 3.1

      +1 lprent. I see no justification for pushing through this bill.

      Labour should join the Greens and oppose it but the signals being given are they will support it in it’s amended state.

      • Chooky 3.1.1

        Labour should remember that the Alliance split and went into mortal decline on the issue of Afghanistan….ie i think it was on whether NZ should send troops to Afghanistan

        .. This Bill is going to be a big turn off to many traditional Labour supporters. The Labour Party should be sticking with the other Left parties and NZF on this Bill and not supporting John Key Nact

        ….and also I would like to know what will happen if people find warrantless snoops in their house ( living room /bedroom /bathroom/toilet/wardrobes /attics/ garden/bushes) outfitting it for 24 hour surveillance when they come home from work…will they just say;

        ….”Oh lovely to meet you and would you like a cup of tea?”

        • Chooky

          …are the spooks putting in “24-hour warrantless surveillance” into New Zealanders’ houses and properties going to be armed?

  4. Ovid 4

    I will not vote for a party which supports spying. Neither should you.

    I disagree. I believe there is a place for security services with proper oversight. I will not support wholesale spying or warrentless surveillance within New Zealand’s borders or on New Zealand citizens overseas. I do believe everything else is fair game.

    • Anne 4.1

      My take on the matter too Ovid. And I know better than most what it is like to be on the receiving end of surveillance. I also know how easy it is for information to get into the wrong hands and the damage it can end up doing to people.

      Nevertheless there is a new threat on the horizon and we can argue until we’re blue in the face who is responsible, but we know it exists. To not take precautionary measures is irresponsible, and could result in a tragedy of possibly horrific proportions. We can’t take that risk. But having said that, I will heave a sigh of relief when we finally have a Labour/Green/NZ First (maybe) coalition government because I also believe the risk of abuse will be reduced to zero.

      • adam 4.1.1

        The HUNS are coming. Look at the horses, they will be coming over the horizon, anytime, wait for it…

        Oh please both of you – Ovid and Anne those are both pathetic arguments. Really, fear and threats. Fear is the mind killer, and you think the state is trustworthy. The deep state, as Trotter calls it, has no idea what trust of the people is.

        You’re deluding yourselves, this is nothing more than a power grab by a faction within our so called state. This is looking more and more like some vulgar, casual, tin pot, dictatorship. Not a democracy, if we even had one, after the neoliberal revolution.

        • Chooky

          +100 Adam

        • Anne

          Fear is your word adam. Please don’t put words in my mouth. Any possible threat is probably not imminent. If you read Ovid’s comments properly you would note he was NOT barracking for wholesale surveillance or warrantless spying. I’m not either.

          No doubt you would be one of the first to scream if another foreign initiated terrorist act took place on our shores…. what a useless, incompetent outfit the SIS is… blah, blah, blah. That’s what happened after the Rainbow Warrior bombing in 1985.

          • Chooky

            well given that the French Secret service did the bombing and the British Secret Service knew about it in advance, from some accounts… do you know the NZ Secret Service did not know about it in advance?

            …(Green Peace was not flavour of the month for some conservatives )

            It was very fast action and detective work on the part of Detective Inspector Allan Galbraith and the NZ Police that netted the two French agents …not the NZ SIS …so maybe the SIS is pretty useless and compromised anyway




          • Macro

            Anne – Bruce Ferguson in his radio interview said that a warrant can be obtained in a matter of hours if not less. There is NO NEED for this carte blanche unsupervised surveillance. The means to spy on somebody is already there. This is simply fear tactics by the right.
            I’ve just returned from North America where the fear factor is so great you can cut through it! They have hour after hour of fear fed to them on the TV and radio. This is what Key wants here. Fear is great for the Right. People will vote conservatively if they are afraid. Evidenced by the recent US elections. The Republicans almost didn’t have to campaign. They had the media feeding fear for them.
            We have such a small threat of terrorism here in NZ it’s almost non-existent. This legislation is being forced through under the behest of USA – and nothing else.

            • The Murphey

              “This legislation is being forced through under the behest of USA – and nothing else”

              Q. What is PNAC?

              Q. How many ‘core’ members of PNAC are dual citizens?

              Q. How many elected / non-elected members inside the US Administration are dual citizens?

              Q. Who is pulling the strings in NZ?

            • Draco T Bastard


              Unfortunately, fear has always been great electioneering.

        • greywarshark

          get a balance adam and Chooky
          All states, countries, need to have some intelligence system. Operated with intelligence it can be a reality provider and lifesaver but does not have to be in your face as this lot are trying for. However when Labour hasn’t been able to muster itself sufficiently to have the power in parliament then it has to do the best it can. And intelligence will carry on so don’t waste your sweat, cope with it, and keep an eye out for who our true friends are.

      • Olwyn 4.1.2

        Also, from what I understand, National have the support to get this bill through anyway. In which case it may be a better thing to gain greater accountability and stricter limits to its use than to oppose it but have it go through unmodified.

        • Policy Parrot

          I agree with Olwyn here. Now Labour should insist that this bill is not one that would gain assent if it led the government, but the changes brought about by Labour’s agreeing to support this legislation (to give it the bipartisan approval – outmoded FPP concept) have improved this bill significantly, and the legislation will be allowed to expire hopefully shortly into the first term of the next government.

          The changes are:
          – 24 hr rather than 48 hr survelliance without a warrant.
          – Applies to foreign fighters only.
          – Each time a situation arises that requires use of this legislation, a public watchdog is alerted.
          – Passport revocation can be appealed.

          Now this is the type of thing that Labour should be doing to demonstrate it is a credible leader of the next government that takes both the safety, and the rights of New Zealanders seriously.

      • cogito 4.1.3

        “information to get into the wrong hands”

        Correct – and Key’s hands are definitely “wrong” on any number of levels.

        There are certainly external threats to which NZ is not immune, but no-one in their right mind can trust Key’s version of what they may be.

      • Jones 4.1.4

        There is a new threat on the horizon… the NZ Government. How do you take steps against that?

      • Draco T Bastard 4.1.5

        There is certainly a place for reasonable precautions. The bill presently going through parliament under urgency is not reasonable.

      • Murray Rawshark 4.1.6

        Ahmed Zaoui might have trouble agreeing with you, Anne. I certainly do.

        The threats on the horizon are the TPPA and this Camera in Every Bedroom Bill.

    • If you’ve followed I/S over at No Right Turn at all, you’ll know that when he says “spying” in this article, he’s using it as a shorthand for “the current type of spying we actually do in New Zealand,” and not necessarily spying in general.

      There is a place for spying. Almost exclusively that place will be monitoring dangerous regimes for New Zealand, but there is a very narrow and defined place where it’s useful. For most other problems, the police already have the tools they need to ensure domestic security.

  5. Chooky 5

    Bomber Bradbury states, and I agree with him

    “The irony for Little is that these powers won’t be used against bloody terrorists because there aren’t any, they will be used to spy on Unions, Maori, Environmentalists, anti-poverty campaigners, TPPA activists and other protest movements”

    . – See more at:

    • cogito 5.1

      Bomber makes a very valid point. Key has lost all credibility on matters of security. His only interest is tightening his own grip on power.

    • Murray Rawshark 5.2

      I suspect Little and most of his caucus would be quite happy for the squirrel powers to be used on the groups on Bradbury’s list. Let’s have a look at them from the point of view of a “responsible” opposition.

      Unions – well, Unite is a potential problem, full of communists.
      Maori – look what happened to Tuhoe under Labour.
      Environmentalists – well, crazy nutters who upset his drilling and fracking mates.
      Anti-poverty campaigners – never know what Sue Bradford and her mates might get up to.
      TPPA activists – economic traitors, since Labour will never let anything harmful be signed.

      They are part of the group that runs the same state. Labour are not revolutionary socialists. They might call each other comrade when they’re pissed enough, but I doubt it.

      • BassGuy 5.2.1

        I can’t imagine Nicky Hagar would have fared particularly well under this upcoming “security” bill.

        • Anne

          It’s not the legislation, its the people who are wielding the power who are the problem. They are the ones, who have in the past – and will in the future – abused the powers of the state. Good grief, we’ve just had a book written about some of it. It’s called “Dirty Politics.”

          Labour have been successful in watering down the bill, and I have no doubt as soon as they take over the Treasury Benches they will rescind the legislation and put something more acceptable in it’s place. That is a given.

          • BassGuy

            I think the legislation is the problem.

            I don’t for a moment imagine that such abuses are restricted to a right wing government. Political allegiances can change over the course of a lifetime, patriotism and lobbying can influence actions and opinions.

            A number of others have noted that the existing legislation, if properly used and funded, is sufficient. Even the former GCSB head is speaking out against it, as noted by Macro up at #2.

            I don’t see a significant terrorist threat to this country. I don’t drive to work each day, worrying that the car ahead of me may be loaded with explosives. I drive to work each day worrying that the cyclist who’s meant to give way to me won’t, or a kid might dash out in front of me, or that the fool who’s tailgating me won’t notice that I’m slowing.

            I worry that the CEO at work will nick another few hours from my time sheet or that I might not be able to find a full time job. I worry about making my mortgage payments, and that the warrant of fitness for my car is coming up and I might need to find money for repairs.

            As someone with a chronic respiratory disease, I worry more about dust triggering it than I do a terrorist attack killing me.

            I had a dog try and kill me, when I was much younger. I was terrified of dogs for many years, but I didn’t want legislation restricting others’ right to own them and I was against the law change restricting certain breeds from New Zealand.

            Should terrorists strike, I will take the same position and won’t be standing up front screaming that we should have had more restrictive laws, that more of my freedoms must be taken to save lives.

            Terrorism is about living in mortal terror, and I don’t see why we all should live under armed guard and leather boot, forever trembling, because someone might detonate a bomb and harm me.

            • Anne

              A number of others have noted that the existing legislation, if properly used and funded, is sufficient. Even the former GCSB head is speaking out against it, as noted by Macro up at #2.

              Yep. Couldn’t agree more. As for Sir Bruce Ferguson, I have some knowledge of him from his days in the Air-Force (late 80s/early 90s) and I have a great deal of respect for him.

              I’m a bit sick of people charging me (essentially) with ‘over-reaction’ when all I’m doing is pointing out the reality of the situation. That is, this govt, is going to pass legislation whether we like it or not. Isn’t it better to have Labour force a watering down of the more draconian measures in the meantime. When they’re in govt., they can conduct a thorough review of every aspect of the security services with a view to tightening up the law so it will be difficult for a future regime to abuse the powers of the state.

              Commonsense in my book, and I have more trust in Andrew Little being able to achieve such an objective than anyone else.

              • BassGuy

                Hopefully you haven’t got the impression that I’m charging you with that – it wasn’t my intention to and if I did, I offer my apologies.

                Come to think of it, I probably could have summed up my position more readily by saying “I think the existing laws are fine,” rather than my wall-of-text there.

  6. A Voter 6

    Yes there should be no compromise over this “unwarranted ” surveillance
    These people like Key who have enjoyed the security of the top order to steal and manipulate economies and have corporate secrecy upheld by govts like Bush Thatcher Reagan and Blair over the last 30yrs are running scared because ordinary people can access far more information about them and are not as easily conned when it comes to accepting the validity of their govts actions
    They fail to realize that this is a democracy not an autocracy and you need to prove that what you do to citizens is warranted and recorded in a manner that can be represented in a court of law or else you might as well call it a dictatorship

  7. seeker 7

    Michelle Boag was nearly in tears on Q&A (Sun.30 Nov.) whilst describing the need for this law change as she was on the board of Mt. Eden cricket ground and they could be in the line of fire in February when there is a major international match to be played there. She said the law HAD to be changed before Christmas to be in place in time for protection for her and others. No wonder key is rushing this through.

  8. Atiawa 8

    A month ago I cast a vote favouring Andrew Little to lead the Labour party. I did so for a variety of reasons. I trust the man to lead was one. I know him to be sincere is another and he isn’t naive is another
    Just over two weeks into the job I remain pleased with my choice.
    If Little believed for a second that the new law would be used for anything other then its intended purpose and its proven necessity he would have opposed.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 8.1


      Crips vs Bloods.

    • Anne 8.2

      If Little believed for a second that the new law would be used for anything other then its intended purpose and its proven necessity he would have opposed.

      In a nutshell Atiawa.

    • Olwyn 8.3

      I agree Atiawa and Anne.

    • tc 8.4

      I disagree, little is picking his battles wisely.

      Key wants this to tighten his grip as instructed and it’s more a case of give em enough rope as Johnny has shown he treats security as just another tool to be used as desired.

    • Colonial Rawshark 8.5

      If Little believed for a second that the new law would be used for anything other then its intended purpose and its proven necessity he would have opposed.

      Oh FFS, the naivety is stunning. Anyone who is a political dissenter is in the line up to be considered a terrorist. Anyone who disrupts corporate or banking activity by protest or other action is in the line up to be considered a terrorist.

      How do I know this?

      Because that is what the US has done to Occupy protestors, it is what the US has done/did to the likes of Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, John Kiriaku, Aaron Swartz, James Risen, Glenn Greenwald and many more.

      Oh and that’s the US you say. Look at what the NZ govt did in the Urewera Raids. Look at what the NZ govt did to Kim Dotcom.

      This bloody set of politicians, Key, Little whoever will be gone in a few years and we will still be stuck with these security and surveillance state laws.

      • Chooky 8.5.1

        +100 CR…except I hope the Greens and NZF and Mana and the people of New Zealand will have repealed the laws

        ….and isnt it ironic.?!…once again Winston is proving to be to the Left of the Labour Party and a defender of human rights and democracy for all ethnic New Zealanders

      • Marksman33 8.5.2


  9. Penny Bright 9

    Where in the Regulatory Impact Statement accompanying the Foreign Terrorist Fighters Legislation does it mention an increased terrorist threat arising from the Cricket World Cup to be held in NEW ZEALAND???

    Beware the SPIN being promoted from the likes of Mischele Boag …..

    Penny Bright

  10. Colonial Rawshark 10

    There is no real operational advantage in giving our security agencies even more unaccountable powers. Which you know will be used against our own citizens, politicians, bloggers etc especially in the form of ‘fishing expeditions’.

    Is the Govt really that concerned that a requirement for a judicial warrant might delay critical surveillance by a day or two in some kind of “24” Jack Bauer life or death scenario?

    Well even if you believe that utter fictional BS, just get a few extra fucking judges on to the bench, pay them an extra allowance, and put them on rotating duty to be available 24/7 to review and sign applications for intelligence warrants. The expectation that they get the call, they get the docs faxed or emailed to them, and they have 90 minutes to go through it and approve/decline the warrant. How fucking hard is that. The SIS director may order the surveillance all in place and started first, but if the warrant is declined all recordings and target data gathered to that point must be sealed or destroyed. What is so fucking hard about that.

    FFS this is how a liberal democracy dies, by its left wingers nodding sagely and agreeing with each other that these emergency legal powers are all very well considered and hence we should support them.

    • Murray Rawshark 10.1

      + a few googleplexes. Quite a few.
      The left wingers taking that approach have a great history which includes the chatterati of the Berlin cafés, who thought people in funny uniforms could never be a danger.
      FFS, how far does Key have to go before Labourites will stand up on their back legs and say NO PASSARAN!

    • Olwyn 10.2

      Going back over a few comments, it is probably fairer to say that from what I have so far seen, I trust Andrew Little to act in good faith. Moreover, I do not give up on politicians when they don’t do exactly as I would prescribe on all occasions. And as I have said earlier it may be better to agree to the bill with modifications than to register your objection to it but have it go through anyway, without the modifications. As least now there are more restrictions on its use, and it ends with this term of government.

      • Chooky 10.2.1

        Well Key is thanking Andrew Little and the Labour Party and using their support to endorse his Bill for unwarranted surveillance on New Zealanders ( Morning Report)….are you happy about this?…

        …and how do we know that the unwarranted videoed surveillance wont be passed on, or surreptitiously find its way, to the Americans or the Israelis …..or Cameron Slater?

        How do we know the unwarranted videoed surveillance will be carried out by New Zealand SIS? …and not contracted out to eg Americans or Israeli contractors ? …or private NZ contractors? …eg goat shooter Cameron Slater

        • Olwyn

          Well, according to the piece on it in Stuff, the unwarranted surveillance will be more restricted than you suggest:

          “Labour has ensured that all searches on potential terrorist activity will require a warrant except in cases of urgent and extreme risk.

          “Even in these circumstances, the director of the Security and Intelligence Service [SIS] will be required to immediately notify the commissioner of warrants and the inspector-general of intelligence, and a warrant obtained within 24 hours, not the originally proposed 48 hours,” Little said.

          and “Labour remains adamant these powers should only be used when New Zealanders are at risk from terror attacks and not as a means to broaden general spy powers.”

          So at least Labour has a basis for holding National to account if the limits are not adhered to, and as I have said, National would have even more leeway if Labour had ineffectively voted against the bill as it stood. I must admit, however, that Andrea Vance agrees with you, and thinks that they would have given the same concessions to their coalition partners, without Labour’s help:

      • Anne 10.2.2


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    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    5 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    5 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Contempt
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    6 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy
    6 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    7 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 week ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
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    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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