Tory immunity to facts will not make them disappear.
“They come from Oxfam, Unicef, Rights Advice Scotland, the British Medical Association, the Welfare Reform Committee of the Holyrood Parliament and many more besides. They have two things in common.
First, they demonstrate, time and again, that the destruction of social security provision in Britain is having a cataclysmic effect, hitting the poorest communities first and vulnerable people hardest. There are statistics, tables and charts enough to satisfy any sceptic’s demand for evidence.
Second, each of these documents is born of a strange, indignant naivety. The writers and researchers cling to the belief that if only Government could be made to address mountains of evidence, understanding would dawn. Facts, datasets, unimpeachable methodology, objective truths: who could ignore reports from reality?”
Read the rest of this article by Ian Bell in the Herald Scotland. It could just as well have been written for a New Zealand context.
There are genuine heroes in this country and I rate John Minto at the very top of that list
Wage and salary earners pay tax on every dollar we earn and every dollar we spend but these layabouts hide their money in trusts, overseas bank accounts and tax havens of all kinds and leave the rest of us to keep the country running. Most of them have never done an honest day’s work in their lives. Miserable pricks.
John Minto giving a perfect description of National’s Simon Lusk perhaps ???, mind you Slippery the PM appears to fit well within Minto’s short analysis of the speculative capitalists…
“Conservation spokeswoman Eugenie Sage and climate change spokesman Kennedy Graham were both considered “safe” Green MPs, but some within Labour doubted whether they had the profile to be Cabinet Ministers.” [http://www.nzherald.co./nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887884]
Some within Labour doubted??
Come on, let’s be brutally honest – both Kennedy Graham and Eugenie Sage would easily and undoubtedly clear the line for Cabinet Minister if the benchmark is Shearer has the profile to be PM.
And Granny comes to National and Key’s rescue again classing what Norman said as personality politics rather than the as the bold statement of facts that they are. IIRC, they certainly didn’t class Key’s attack (devil beast) as personality politics (otherwise known as ad hominem) but that’s exactly what they were.
Wow, just watched the Q&A interview of Metiria Turei, she is outstanding. What a great team Turei and Norman.
The Green Party is on a roll, they are the best thing that has happened in New Zealand politics in a long time. Their timing in attacking National is perfect, people are sick of what National are doing and the MSM are providing them with a free reign. The Greens are showing that they are tough, ruthless and strongly principled.
I’m picking 18% to 20% in 2014, some coming from female voters who voted National in 2011, but most coming from traditional Labour voters.
Really loving the way they are handling themselves and the media. Marama Davidson running in Ikaroa-Rāwhiti for the Greens – it’s a great line up going into 2014.
Agreed Saarbo. Metiria is outstanding. She is warm, speaks with clarity and shows empathy, commonsense, strength, and vision.
This long time Labour member has made the switch.
May not have if David Cunliffe had become the Labour leader after the last election. But we were never given the chance to see what a difference he could have made (similar qualities to those of Metiria.) My guess is he would have been on fire against this despicable government from the get go…and inspired a whole nation in the process. The political landscape would now be a lot different.
But it didn’t happen…and to boot he was sent to Coventry.
Labour’s loss – Green’s gain.
Go Russell and Metiria. I can’t wait to see you and your principled team part of the next government.
Indeed, i met Metiria and Her Sis a lifetime ago and way back then just ‘knew’ that one or the other, (or both), were going places,
Not places dictated by naked ambition but places dictated by the need to make the necessary changes no matter what it cost or how long it took,
A heart of gold and a backbone of steel, i near fell off my seat laughing when prior to the 2011 election Metiria took apart the Education Minister with a 30 second burst in a RadioNZ National debate that would have stripped paint and certainly shut the babbling mouth of Ann Tolley who sat through the remainder of the discussion in what i can only infer was shocked silence…
There are huge downsides for the Greens if they were to hit 20% – growing unsustainably fast has many dangers for a political party which needs to continue to develop it’s own institutional structures and processes.
Gaining another 4-5 MPs however is probably exactly what the Greens need to keep on track (to become NZ’s dominant left wing party).
I think once the Greens get into government, they’ll either surge ahead in popularity, or drop back, but they won’t stay at their mid-teens level once they get a chance to show their mettle.
I’m picking surge ahead, taken mainly from Labour but also a bit from National. 2017 could end up seeing them as almost-equals with Labour.
I think political parties tend to lose popularity — whether slowly or quickly — once in power, when the compromises of wielding power are laid bare and grand plans suffer when they come into contact with the civil service, the media, the judiciary and other institutions, let alone the public.
So desperate for signs of positivity, that the manufactured rise of the Greens is being cheered on.
People need to be weary of anything/anyone, coming from inside the existing system, these are not organic creations.
Perhaps read some policy, then look at what political parties do to those policies, once they are part of a government. Lies, lies and more lies, followed by *new polciy*, which not not part of any manefesto, pre elections.
People on this site need to understand more about economics/finance reality, before backing any party, understand the reality. Yes Norman has referenced *printing money*, but he is talking crap, it will not be done, or it would have by now.
Should The Greens form a government, they will be bound by the same constraints as any other part, beholden to the global institutions, thats assuming Norman is not the Green equivalent of David Shearer, which IMO, he is!
Someone argue otherwise, please go ahead and give it a crack!
Norman is nothing like Shearer.
Norman has an elegance about him, Shearer comes across awkward
Norman articulates his argument, Shearer is inconsistent
Norman’s identity alines closely with his party val. Shearer at times does the opposite (esp. welfare)
As for the rest of your argument I’d be surprised if you voted at all given your underlying belief that the system we have is inherently flawed.
I was thinking of buying Coca Cola shares, but this neoliberal agenda sounds even better. Do they have a prospectus?
Greens/Labour and Norman/Shearer strike me as very unlike each other. It was well summarized above that Norman has an argument and articulates it. Shearer doesn’t and doesn’t. You could extrapolate from that to their respective parties and not be too far off base.
There is a lot of hand-wringing about what Labour has to do to explain what they stand for, but it seems like the best first step would be to, you know, stand for something.
“Do you believe that a party inside the current parliamentary system, is going to defend NZ against the owners of the neoliberal agenda?”
Yes. I trust Norman, Turei and the GP to do this to the best of their ability within the constraints of the system.
I don’t expect miracles though. I’m not sure what you are doing running this line that no party can do anything good. The GP aren’t responsible for overthrowing neoliberalism, but they can definitely hold the line for a while. At the very least they will be a positive force in some areas instead of the overwhelmingly negative force of Key Inc.
“Do you believe that having a vote, has made any meaningful change, under the neoliberal agenda of the past 40+ years?”
Yes. We got MMP. We were better off having the Clark govt than another 2 terms of the 90s Nats.
That’s interesting. A New Zealand politician actually has the integrity and the courage to protest against our government cozying up to a brutal regime, and is attacked by foreign goons ON THE GROUNDS OF OUR PARLIAMENT—and your reaction is to pour scorn on him.
I am not surprised, not in the slightest. That you side with the Chinese regime even as its thugs attack a New Zealand MP in the grounds of the New Zealand parliament is exactly what I would have predicted.
I just never thought you would be so foolish as to openly publish it.
How is that siding with the “Chinese regime”, fool?
More to the point, how can a Member of the New Zealand Parliament be so lacking in gravitas and standing as to make a mockery of our sovereignty by getting himself manhandled by a foreign dignitary’s security detail?
How is that siding with the “Chinese regime”, fool?
Even considering the fact you are not serious, that is a particularly crass reply.
….how can a Member of the New Zealand Parliament be so lacking in gravitas and standing as to make a mockery of our sovereignty by getting himself manhandled by a foreign dignitary’s security detail?
You have no idea about, and no respect for, the concept of democracy. No wonder you scorn protestors and, yes, side with the Chinese regime.
By the way, THIS is a New Zealand MP who lacks in gravitas and standing….
Interesting!!!, in 2009 the IMF in it’s interim report to the incoming National Government made a point, (at paragraph 15 if my memory serves me right), that the incoming government should seriously consider quantitative easing, *printing money*, as opposed to borrowing the 80 billion dollars it has up to this point accumulated as the actual cost to New Zealand of this particular regime,
Interim reports from the IMF are of course referred to Governments for comment and a negotiation of what is compiles as the final report then takes place, the final report issued early in 2009 made no mention of *printing money* and it is obvious that the present Government had this section edited from the interim report in it’s negotiations with the IMF over what the final IMF report to the incoming Government would recommend,
That interim IMF report to the incoming National Government disappeared soon after i began highlighting it’s contents on another website and my mistake was to not access a printer and make a hard copy of it,
Obviously the actions of this National Government in the past two terms have negated the advice from the IMF that the Government print the monies necessary to cover it’s ”losses” as a result of the Global Financial Crisis instead opting for that 80 billion dollars of debt,
Given the above it would seem that Dr Norman was at the time calling for the printing of money by the Government from a point of the current financial orthodoxy and it is not Dr Norman proposing some form of ‘voodoo economics’ but yourself, Bill English and John Key who have their heads buried in the sand or in the s**t in the case of the latter two…
I’m well aware of the IMF reports which come out including the one you mention, and being in opposition, as I noted yesterday in a comment, is a very easy place to make loud noises from (unless you’re David Shearer).
IMF, WB UNESCO et al, the globalist enterprises, pump out these papers/reports on a regular basis, and they are not worth the paper they are printed on!
Who do you believe the IMF to be, some altuistic establishment?
Why is the RBNZ Govenor, ex long time World Bank MD, who is named in corruption goings on by Karen Hudes?
Who i believe the IMF to be is irrelevant to this discussion, i am simply pointing out to you that ‘crap’ as you ascribe to Dr Norman was at the time the Dr was calling for the Government to *print money* instead of borrowing it the prevailing financial orthodoxy,
Your insinuation that the Green Party is some form of ‘plant’ in a conspiracy is what i consider to be the only ‘crap’ being spread here,
Your petty allegations are laughable and ill considered and the sum total of your beliefs seems to encompass a ‘they are all corrupt don’t vote for any of them’ underlying motive…
My contention was, as per the example I gave from a post yesterday, is that its very easy to make the right noises, when you’re not even an official govt opposition..
Russel has nothing to lose by repeating the *money printing* diatribe, which would be a far cry from what he would do, should he get near enough to the treasury strings to enact such a policy. To believe Norman would enact such a policy, of his own accord, is simply utter crap, he will do, only what he is told, within the narrow parameters that those who dictate to NZ, will allow!
Tell me all about Russel Norman then, tell me why I should believe his alleged back story, anymore than I believe Shearers , makes him anything other an a plant, put in place to do/say nothing *controversial*, let alone attack the governments continued failures.
Instead there is Norman, as a pseudo opposition leader and *spokesman*, how very convenient!
Yawn you start today’s diatribe with a wish that readers and commentors here at the Standard had some understanding of fiscal matters and it would seem vis a vis the ‘crap’ comment you point in Dr Norman’s direction you in particular target the Green party,
When i point out to you that Norman was in tune with what all the major economy’s, (except the Chinese who have plenty of the filthy lucre and therefor have no need), along with the IMF advice in His comments over ‘quantitative easing’ you retreat to making a series of baseless, unfounded allegations about the Co-Leader of the Green Party,
i don’t propose to tell you shit about Dr Norman and if you have any specific allegation to make about Him i suggest you do so providing a modicum of proof otherwise you run the risk in spreading such baseless allegations of looking as if you are simply shit-stirring in an effort to cover up your lite-weight knowledge of the economic situation,
i will tho point out that Dr Norman when He proposes the printing of money is diametrically in opposition to not only National but Labour as well who have no such fiscal policy instead adhering to the ‘borrowing option’,
If what i see occurring after November 2014, or November 2017 is to become in fact the reality with the Government’s fiscal position then i believe at that point Labour may have to reconsider it’s fiscal policy…
When i point out to you that Norman was in tune with what all the major economy’s, (except the Chinese who have plenty of the filthy lucre and therefor have no need)
Uh, the Chinese banks are likely sitting on a sky high mountain of bad debts and bad mortgages.
Once you take into account the massive amount of NPLs and the need to recapitalise the Chinese banks…I think you’ll find that China has fuck all money left over. And I think that the Chinese leadership know it, but are keeping a very straight poker face.
CV, you may or may not be right in your analysis of the unstated Chinese fiscal position but from an orthodox position it is what the figures say it is,
Perhaps i should have alluded to such in my comment but giving the persona i am at present debating with chances at diverting from the central issue of debate would simply have him/her play tic tac toe with me changing the subject materially with every comment…
Yawn you start today’s diatribe with a wish that readers and commentors here at the Standard had some understanding of fiscal matters and it would seem vis a vis the ‘crap’ comment you point in Dr Norman’s direction you in particular target the Green party,
What are you yawning at? And yes many here do not even understand basic financial/economic concepts, which leads to most threads being little more than a running commentary of the decline in, NZ inc!
When i point out to you that Norman was in tune with what all the major economy’s, (except the Chinese who have plenty of the filthy lucre and therefor have no need), along with the IMF advice in His comments over ‘quantitative easing’ you retreat to making a series of baseless, unfounded allegations about the Co-Leader of the Green Party
Retreat – Nah, you’re pretending you knew what my original comments position was, you interpreted it incorrectly, I explained again, you don’t accept it, too bad12!
The below is something for you to look further at:
The NZ Reserve Bank act, effectively separated the elected NZ government from the right to print our own money. The RBNZ is run by unelected individuals, and has responsibility to the crown, which most people interpret to be the NZ government.
Bit defensive, yet attacking all in the same space, B12 – What’s the reason for that bro?
The only thing i can say about your latest attempt = are you pissed or somehow suffering under an altered mental state,
As debate that scores a zero on my register and is hardly worth answering, you make allegations about Dr Norman in particular, when called upon to provide facts you provide nothing,
Your latest little attempt at side-tracking the debate away from the unfounded accusations you make against Dr Norman simply moves you further into the realm of ‘tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist’,
And what you trot out as something ‘i should take a look at’ is simply laughable, Crown when such language is used in official speak is simply the NZ Government and your alluding to this particular passage from an act shows your abject lack of intellect,
It is Governments who appoint the Governor of the Reserve Bank and if any future Government had no faith in a particular governor to carry out that Governments fiscal policies i am sure they would force His/Her resignation,
As far as the Reserve Bank legislation removing from a Government the ability to ‘print money’ aaah derrrr any Government can choose to change any legislation any time it so wishes….
Dr Norman, lol, wait on, can you get his balls in your mouth too…
You got all heated up, over my saying, IMO, Norman, is talking crap, while in a position of ZERO influence!
Go read up on the Reserve Bank Act (RBNZ/OoDM), and *The Crown*, then you might have something to contribute to a conversation around such subject matter.
It’s weird how the RWNJs ignore the massive increases in global M1, M2 and M3. Where do they think that money is coming from, if not printed ex nihilo?
Norman is talking crap, because, even if he had the opportunity to influence/alter NZ Monetary Policy, he would do NO such thing! If it were going to be done (in NZ), it would have by now!
That is what I was saying!
Trust you have been putting the geo-engineering links to good use, I can’t be feeding it to you on a plate , continually Murray!
Norman is talking crap, because, even if he had the opportunity to influence/alter NZ Monetary Policy, he would do NO such thing! If it were going to be done (in NZ), it would have by now!
Why would it have been done any time in the last 20 years?
Murray, with respect, there is no need to entertain the notion of paying someone to do research on behalf, so I’ll take your comment as facetious.
Progression of understanding, should never stop, age nor health should interfere in life learning’s. If you’re well enough to post here, you’re well enough to do some reading.
Don’t let that PhD become a barrier to cogent awareness, which your automatic reaction, might be to see a subject matter, under a preconceived judgment set.
I am well enough to decide what I’ll do with my time. It won’t include taking suggestions from a conspiracy theorist who has mastered the correct usage of neither the comma nor the apostrophe. You’re coming across as a creepy bloody stalker. I don’t care what youtube videos you watch, how many copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion you have, or what you think is happening in the world. I have no interest in your suggestions for reading material, nor do I wish to suscribe to your hopeless nightmare of a world run by hidden dark forces about which we can do nothing. You’re welcome to it, but your philosophy is not one which changes the world in the slightest. It’s the philosophy of the helpless victim who can always find an excuse to do nothing, the paranoid sufferer who locks themselves in their room in the foetal position, hoping that the Illuminati will not enter.
Not interested, thanks. I’m interested in fighting back and changing things. We’re on opposite sides.
I am well enough to decide what I’ll do with my time. It won’t include taking suggestions from a conspiracy theorist who has mastered the correct usage of neither the comma nor the apostrophe.
Thanks for illustrating my assertion about preconception, Murray, well done! You realize that that your reference to grammatical correctness, is reserved for when someone has nothing else to offer, perhaps not!
You’re coming across as a creepy bloody stalker.
And yet, its you, who has been responding to my posts, Murray, not to mention, your request for links on the subject, which I provided (see reminder, a little down in my rebuttal)
I don’t care what youtube videos you watch, how many copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion you have, or what you think is happening in the world. I have no interest in your suggestions for reading material, nor do I wish to subscribe to your hopeless nightmare of a world run by hidden dark forces about which we can do nothing.
Never read the protocols, Murray, and nice attempted fob off, vis a vis, youtube. As you should appreciate, knowledge that can be gained from any medium, but again, its good of you to show what preconception bias, Murray.
Understanding on the other hand, requires emotional intelligence, which can’t learnt from a book, or a video, or anything other than life itself, most don’t learn to understand, ever!
You’re welcome to it, but your philosophy is not one which changes the world in the slightest. It’s the philosophy of the helpless victim who can always find an excuse to do nothing, the paranoid sufferer who locks themselves in their room in the foetal position, hoping that the Illuminati will not enter.
I’m up for joining dots, let’s see. Your position, is that geo-engineering, and the chem-trails discussion, are one and the same, and having conflated, decided there is nothing you can, or are prepared to invest in understanding it, even after you asked me for some links, to get you started a couple of weeks back, to you remember that, Murray?
Murray, what’s concerning, yet enlightening at the same time, is how you’ve taken the legitimate subject of geo-engineering, then twisted it inside your prejudice, and come up with the protocols of Zion, and the Illuminati, which is frankly a rather naked insight, to where your minds at. Suggest you leave the online psychological evaluations aside, they require understanding, among other traits, and you have no lucky strike of understanding what my *philosophy* is, not with the barriers/blockers, and outright confusion you have shared in the comments, I’m responding to here!
Not interested, thanks. I’m interested in fighting back and changing things. We’re on opposite sides.
With you there, Murray, not so opposite in fact, but we won’t find much inspiration or fight via this site, however you will find plenty who share your interest in grammatical pedantry, and childish, fob off insults, which is not really adding much in terms of fight , is it!
One of those godawful judges has just spoken harshly about the performance of a contestant. The young man shuffles off the stage for the obligatory post-humiliation interview…
Rejected contestant: It was so hard hearing that. It was just, uh… [starts to whimper] … yeah. Dominic Bowden:[softly, with Clintonian empathy] It’s okay to be speechless.
The X-Factor, TV3, Sunday 19 May 2013
Humbug Corner is dedicated to gathering, and highlighting, the most striking examples of faux solicitude, insincere apologies, and particularly stupid recycling of official canards.
It is produced by the Insincerity Project®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
You darned kids gett offa my lawn! *impotently shakes fist*
The implication being, I take it, that if one is not impressed by this awful, awful show and its depressing parade of mediocrity, then one is not “down with the kids.”
Weird implication for Pop to make about such a flacid, pedestrian form of entertainment. But then I’m not totally convinced that Pop reads the comments he replies to.
No, but your constant complaining about it like, to paraphrase Leviticus, a dog returning to it’s own vomit, does mark you out as one of those cartoonish old farts with too much time on their hands and who likes easy targets to moan about.
“The Opposition leader Tony Abbott, who hasn’t made any mistakes over the past eighteen months…”
—-Phil Kafcaloudes, Radio NZ National Australian correspondent, 8:59 a.m., Friday 31 May 2013
See also….
No. 15: Donald Rumsfeld: “I did not lie… Colin Powell did not lie.”
No. 14: Colin Powell: “a post-9/11 nexus between Iraq and terrorist organizations…connections are now emerging…”
No.13: Barack Obama: “Simply put, these strikes have saved lives.”
No. 12: U.K. Ministry of Defence: “Protecting the Afghan civilian population is one of ISAF and the UK’s top priorities.”
No. 11: Brendan O’Connor: “Australia’s approach to refugees is compassionate and generous.”
No. 10: Boris Johnson: “Londoners have… the best police in the world to look after us and keep us safe.”
No. 9: NewstalkZB PR dept: “News you NEED! Fast, fair, accurate!”
No. 8: Simon Bridges: “I don’t mean to duck the question”
No. 7: Nigel Morrison: “Quite frankly, they’ve been VERY tough.”
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No. 6: NZ Herald PR dept: “Congratulations—you’re reading New Zealand’s best newspaper.”
No. 5: Rawdon Christie: “…a FORMIDABLE replacement, it seems, is Claudette Hauiti.” /open-mike-13052013/#comment-632594
No. 4: Willie and J.T.: “The X-Factor. Nah, nah, there’s some GREAT talent there!”
No. 3: John Key: “Yeah we hold MPs to a higher standard.”
No. 2: Colin Craig: “Oh, I have a GREAT sense of humour.”
No. 1: Barack Obama: “Margaret Thatcher was one of the great champions of freedom and liberty.”
From the office of the Race Relations Commissioner:
Racism is OK as no long as no property gets damaged.
To get her to act against the Jim Crow humour of Nisbet. Susan Devoy says People will have to riot.
She should be charged with inciting.
Let hope it never comes to that.
I thought the whole point of having a Race Relations Commissioner was to prevent things getting to that stage.
Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy says cartoons printed in Fairfax Media newspapers in response to the Government’s food in schools plan were offensive, but not legally racist.
But when asked what the threshold for racism was, Dame Susan had to consult her advisor – eventually saying the cartoons would “have to incite riot”.
Going by this logic, there could be protests in every street of the country against her lack of action against racism. But unless, at least one of these protests degenerated into a riot, Susan Devoy will not act.
Susan Devoy has turned the whole concept of Race Relations Commissioner on its head.
“But unless, at least one of these protests degenerated into a riot, Susan Devoy will not act.”
I’m not sure what you expect Dame Susan of Squash to do exactly. The Race Relations Commissioner has no powers to do anything except tut tut and give the occasional moue of distaste. You should be moaning about the Human Rights Tribunal.
Heard a clip of Dunne last night on the radio, saying they’d had 60 brand new membership applications for United Future after news of their de-registration broke.
Yeah, almost worth while doing the dodgy name/address/age thing that the Nats did on the asset sale referendum. The embarrassment of being rejected again…
But remember, as Lyn frequently reminds me :- a vote for united future is a vote for Peter Dunne’s hairpiece…
That is one piece of bouf that simply won’t lie down
Susan Woods calls it again in one of those off the cuff comments
Today on Q+A the panel discussing the “Right’s” candidate in upcoming Auckland election needs to be a high profile figure, to which her contribution was if only Paul Holmes …
And of course that raises another issue.
The question of Shane Taurima being able to return to political broadcasting given that he has now attempted to become a Labour member of parliament.
It would seem that it is alright for the right to have their stooges in broadcasting, but the left not.
As in the case of the contemptibly hectoring bully-rightist Paul Henry. Who prior to his fabulously paid obscenity gigs on New Zealand television unsuccessfully stood for National in the Wairarapa electorate against Labour’s Georgina Beyer.
On a slightly tangential tack I still laugh when I recall the reported heads-in-hands despair at National Party headquarters when on the Thursday prior to the Saturday election Paullie came out with this howler – ” At least I’m a real man……! ”
And out of public discourse has vanished any attempt to understand how the wrecking ball of economic reform in New Zealand has sent chaotic repercussing waves of dysfunction out into the future through the inevitable cascade of individual, small but tragic events it has generated in the daily lives and experiences of so many New Zealanders over the past 30 years.
Instead, we hear expressions of magical thinking as a substitute for understanding. A seemingly endless stream of spittle-flecked talk of poor people’s poor ‘choices’, poor parenting and poor ‘attitude’ becomes the sickening bully pulpit pontification of workplace chattering and columnists’ commentary. Intellectual pap replaces analysis; an ignorant sledgehammer – oxymoronically called ‘common sense’ – is used, zombie-like, to batter those least able to defend themselves.
Listening to the cliched arguments about the poor and beneficiaries that seem to garner such popular support, it’s hard not to despair. How did hard-hearted cliche come to be so popular? How has this mythology about the causes of poverty arisen?
I’ve just finished ‘The ‘Chavs’ and ‘Deer Hunting with Jesus’, Puddleglum, and I’m looking forward to your book 🙂
justsaying Listening to the cliched arguments about the poor and beneficiaries that seem to garner such popular support, it’s hard not to despair. How did hard-hearted cliche come to be so popular? How has this mythology about the causes of poverty arisen?
It appears that the whole fabric of our understanding of our values, of NZs attitudes of goodwill to their countrymen and women and love of egalitarianism, along with our happy Maori and good interracial relationships, is a fog of camouflage that hid the fact that this was a minority belief. It’s heart rending to realise that many NZs particularly among st the older age group, don’t care to retain those values that we thought we held firmly.
Chicago Mayor has sold the rights to the city’s parking for 75 years for $1 billion lump payment. There is no free parking in weekends, problems about disabled, and threats of suing the Council for loss of potential profit if some parking meters not operating. The city is bound by the contract to pay up large amounts over the years to this parking owner.
What the hell. How can we let these temporary caretaker politicians destroy our living standards, rob us of our amenities for their own purposes. And you can bet there was something in it for the Mayor and his mates even if there was a few million sprinkled here and there on city projects.
Perhaps the piece below answers my question. Mayor Daley has got up daily without fear of much scrutiny or bad reaction by the public. I hate that saying that we get the outcomes that we deserve because of our laxness but it seems to apply. We shouldn’t have to be alert watchdogs preparing to have a bite worse than our bark but it seems if we aren’t we won’t have anything in our yard left to protect.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/features-cover-april-9-2009/Content?oid=1098561 The origins of the meter debacle actually date back to 2005, when Mayor Daley began selling off public property for up-front cash payments without much scrutiny from the City Council or the public. Then last year, when tax revenues plummeted, the mayor increased the pressure, directing his staff to be “creative” in attacking budget problems. But even as city officials celebrated privatization agreements for Midway Airport and the meters, both worth billions of dollars, they refused to release the most basic information about how they’d been reached
Witness the pressure raised on Christchurch to sell assets to part fund a re-built etc, and one example.
Councils around NZ are in debt, the country, is in debt – The books are closed, the assets already being positioned, and the trigger will be pulled by the ratings agencies!
Selling off public revenue streams to private interests. Sounds about right.
edit – interesting that Mayor Rahm Emanuel was Democratic President Obama’s Chief of Staff. To be honest, the “left wing” in the USA is more like ACT on steroids.
(Thought about putting this in the Lusk paper comments, but I can’t vouch for credibility only posting as something that may be interesting)
A red herring most likely, but reading Lusk’s paper made me recall a notice sent round the homeschooling loops a few years back (2009) – which I quickly deleted – we tend to get a lot of irrelevant messages.
So I googled and came up with this: Cult Education page from the US which looked familiar, and seems to be the one that I had received:
I’m writing to you today to notify you that a group of aberrant evangelical Protestant Christian Reconstructionists plans an exodus from the United States to New Zealand in 2010, establishing themselves through the unsuspecting homeschooling community in NZ. I’m not sure how many Vision Forum affiliated families plan on following the family of the US born and reported NZ immigrant Geoffrey Botkin next year.
Reading it now, it strikes me that over the last couple of years I can think of at least two families that have moved over from the states that are incredibly right-wing, fundamentalist in their thinking (and I don’t get around much in the religious group of homeschoolers) and have heard of others causing difficulties in other homeschooling support groups.
Geoff Botkin boasts plans to have his son, now in his 20s, elected as the Prime Minister of NZ when he his 57. To be honest, read that with the same degree of WTF that I read the rest.
In conjunction with this, I also recently complained to our National Council for allowing religious messages Creating a God-Centred family – workshop by to be sent via the secular NCHENZ message loop.
Decided to give the two seconds required to google the advertised speakers with Geoff Botkin mentioned above, and they seem to be well acquainted.
In summary:
– a message on the homeschool loops in 2009 which was tl;dr
– recalled that message after reading Lusks amateur leaked documents
– was able to google that message and read again, which now sounds more credible given some of the recent US families that have moved to NZ, and the workshops that have been offered by the christian support groups in the last couple of years
– found links between the person named in the original (2009) email and those currently doing the rounds within the christian homeschooling groups.
If any of the original email is true, then imagine if this group aligns with funding a hard-right wing conservative government. The families I have had direct contact with seemed to be middle class, but would also be quite likely to give a significant portion of their income to their church (which may end up including a political lobby group).
…as mentioned, only posting due to a series of “coincidental clicks”… but does make me wish that there was a group left-wing, secular homeschoolers planning to move here to even out the playing field.
Yes, was scared off a introductory visit to a homeschool support group many years ago when they trotted out an ACE curriculum (ie. left halfway through with another equally appalled attendee and went to coffee, made a good friend)
However, know a few moderate Christians that use the ACE curriculum, primarily because homeschoolers don’t have access to the Min of Ed resources or the NZ curriculum and ACE qualifications were accepted as Tertiary entry requirements.
There does however, seem to have been a recent increase in REALLY fundamental, hard-right conservatives.
So what are the Charter schools going to achieve Molly? Maybe those “aberrant evangelical Protestant Christian Reconstructionists” have an avenue for spreading the word.
Personally, I’m completely against charter schools – they seem to have a tendency to increase the inequality in education that already exists.
However, homeschoolers in the US have used them to access state funding and if the structure proposed here is the same, then you may have state funding being used to promote really radical ideas and religious beliefs… one of many reasons I’m really disappointed that this flawed idea is going ahead.
Geoff Botkin boasts plans to have his son, now in his 20s, elected as the Prime Minister of NZ when he is 57.
Ouch!
To be honest, read that with the same degree of WTF that I read the rest.
The wording was a bit confusing to me as well. Not knowing any particulars about this Geoff Botkin, I can’t quite figure out if Botkin is hoping his son becomes PM when Botkin is 57 or when his son turns 57.
Going by the above quote referencing his aspirations for his son, I have a hunch that Mr Botkin isn’t quite up to speed on how parliament works.
Yes, WTF is still my primary response re Geoff Botkin’s aspirations for his son, but I am also mindful that I have the same response when considering our current PM.
I work in an op shop and have been surprised at some of the religious centred literature that we have received from time to time – it seems to be sourced from USA. One book set out to educate about financial matters which fits into the ‘prosperity’ religion approach thatis quite strong there and is a perversion of real Christianity.
The prosperity church movement is attractive to many aspirational people, and a very good business proposition for the leaders as religious groups don’t have to pay tax,. Those at the top can accumulate assets quickly and use their example of receiving goodies to encourage followers who are told they will receive wealth if they act in line with God’s (the church’s) directions. Note Sanitarium and also note Destiny but also the plethora of churches apart from the traditional ones.
There is an odious movement in the USA that is built around male superiority and ultimate decision making. The women in it seem to glory in a sado-masochistic approach of apparent worship of their husbands and practising utter obedience to their every word.
In true Christianity this would be idolatory and worshipping a false god.
There is a movement here along similar lines… was tempted to join a discussion with some women at the pools, who were talking about books. After listening a while longer, I realised the book that had them all raving had an odious title along the lines of “Dominant Husband, Submissive Wife”. Not my idea of a good book club read.
Also along this theme, the last election prompted an unprecented wave of unsolicited emails through some homeschool loops asking everyone to support Colin Craig, by votes, volunteers and financial donations. Most loops are self-moderated and are usually just about events, activities and resources. Spent a lot of time sending out cease and desist emails at that time.
I am not into Twitter, but occasionally check out one or two.
Oh, look – Pete George is still around and now commenting on Judith Collins’ Twitter. This conversation mentions a number of authors/commenters on TS – eg Eddie, MS
Amusing. I really don’t know why they bother. But I guess that Pete George is just stroking Judith Collins now that his last party has kind of disintegrated. Must need a soapbox.
If the truth of anything were to be determined by “Pete George once alleged it and no one thought he was important enough to contradict”, oh what a world we would live in. Pete George probably wouldn’t be permitted internet access, for a start …
A Pure Wind blew into New Zealand this morning
Christopher Hill interviewed by Chris Laidlaw
Radio NZ National, Sunday 2 June 2013
Christopher Hill is the kind of smooth-talking reptile who is indispensable to aggressive regimes like the United States: he puts a pleasant face on what are all too often criminal and unspeakable policies. This morning, interviewed by a respectful Chris Laidlaw, the former U.S. ambassador and “troubleshooter” spoke in the same soothing, comforting tones throughout. He spoke of going out to dinner with Serbian, Chinese and North Korean negotiators; he was keen to remind us that they have their human side, even if they are always wary. Hill is the epitome of Beltway smoothness, the ultimate schmoozing government insider, the very embodiment of a velvet-voiced diplomat.
It’s all a front though. Underneath the calm voice, Christopher Hill is actually as hardline, and as doctrinaire as any frothing neocon.
Hill is infamous for calling the New Zealand Nuclear-Free legislation a “relic”, and “something we needed to get over.” Chris Laidlaw actually raised this subject with him but, disappointingly, did not challenge him. In the end, Laidlaw might as well have not even broached the subject; Hill used it as an opportunity to speak nonsensical fluff for several minutes, thereby killing off the original point. It’s the oldest political trick of them all, and Laidlaw should have been alert to it. Instead, he laughed along meekly; it was almost as abject a failure as Paul Holmes’ moronic 2005 “interview” with the British war criminal Alistair Campbell.
To make things worse, Hill spoke with apparent warmth and enthusiasm about the New Zealand Provincial Reconstruction Team and the “deeds they have done in Afghanistan.” Now, it is possible that Christopher Hill might be completely ignorant of the scandal and opprobrium that has swirled around the New Zealand PRT, including their possible involvement in the illegal capture, torture and summary execution of Afghani civilians and resistance fighters. Frankly, however, I think he would know all about this, and was simply spouting empty rhetoric.
Instead of challenging him, Laidlaw simply heaped on more praise of his guest, saying “Richard Holbrooke described you as brilliant, fearless and argumentative.”
Hill laughs engagingly at this. He says he does not care for “finger-wagging”. It’s just not his style. It was people like Christopher Hill that George Orwell had in mind when he wrote that political language is “designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
I think Chris Laidlaw was aware that he was being snowed by an expert, bullshitted by the biggest, smoothest bullshitter of them all. But it is no doubt difficult to get into a serious mode of questioning against such an ostensibly pleasant fellow as Christopher Hill. Still, here’s hoping that, one of these days, Christopher Hill will be grilled by somebody in the same way that Kim Hill grilled the former Australian prime minister John Howard.
In the meantime, though, a doleful, discombobulated Chris Laidlaw closed off this epic exercise in diplomatic deception in the following defeated fashion: “That was Christopher Hill, the non-finger-wagger. He’s the dean of the Josef Korbel School of International Studies in Denver, Colorado. Here’s Fleetwood Mac…”
Hmm, I have very small hands for a man – only 1 person I’ve found with smaller hands was a woman. My avg WPM is about 80-90 and top speed about 115. Not sure if the small hands help or hinder me.
For the record, it was an allusion to Lockwood Smith on the subject of immigrant labour. I manage about 125 wpm. If gender had anything to do with it, one must be typing with entirely the wrong appendage.
Underpaid and understaffed and run for profit, Public Private Partnerships in the health system.
While in the care of private health provider, Spectrum. An autistic boy, in what can only be a deliberate assault, has his testicles kicked in…..
He spends 10 days in hospital and has one testicle amputated. No one is charged, no one is held accountable.
Young male autistic boys often masturbate continuously and publicly, which undoubted, can be very trying and even upsetting for their carers. One of his care givers is guilty of this vicious assault.
None of the caregivers at the Spectrum care home have been stood down, and are all still in charge of handicapped young people. The Spectrum staff at this South Auckland community care home, could not have been unaware of the assault and probably also know the identity of the perpetrator, but have kept their silence.
In cases like this, where the victim cannot speak for themselves and the perpetrator remains unidentified. At the very least those responsible for his immediate care should all be suspended from their posts and made to do anger management courses at their employer’s expense.
This is the third case of abuse of intellectually handicapped people in community care homes in as many weeks.
We the public and the families of those being abused and the victims themselves deserve better.
No, nothing will happen, and the abuse will continue.
Serco who run our prisons in a similar ppp scheme. Have their funding cut every time a prisoner escapes, whatever the circumstances. Spectrum and the other ppp providers for the intellectually handicapped, should have their funding cut every time one of these assaults happens in their care homes.
Nothing will be done until services are brought back in house until then MOH and ministers will wipe their hands clean blame the contractor and it goes around and nothing happens. The state ducks out and contractor passes the buck, person with disability loses.
A disability services agency should be created we need move on from health & disability being one and the same thing because most people with disabilities including myself are not sick. Also most disability services have no medical aspect to them anyway. To run and/or manage them it’s the only serious way to even say you put the person with the disability first and who knows maybe more carers might treat their clients as human rather than “it” that I’ve heard come out of some people’s mouths.
The Greens’ policy on school nurses sounds very promising. It’s directly aimed at improving quality of life, is a fence at the top of the cliff rather than an ambulance at the bottom of it, and will ensure better educational outcomes through healthier kids. It would probably save money in the long run. I really can’t imagine how an adequate argument can be marshalled against it.
Not to mention the other direct funding of private schools through Aspire Scholarships – a policy introduced by ACT in 2009 and still on offer.
From recollection $5m a year….but I can’t seem to find it online. Am drawing on memory ofan educational lecture I attended with Roger Douglas and Heather Roy at MacLeans college a couple of years ago.
True, i have this to say about ‘parental responsibility’, taxation of WINZ benefits, directly cutting monies from WINZ benefits, disallowing WINZ beneficiaries with children to access working for Families payments,
Those are but 3 things that past Governments have achieved which directly ATTACK the ability of parents to carry out and achieve such ‘parental responsibility’,
i can add others as most readers here can as well, the 2008 tax switch and the move to further casualalise the workforce into part time employment being a couple more,
‘Parental responsibility’ and the ability to carry out such a function continually under attack by successive Governments simply reduces parental ability to perform such a function,
Yes to breakfast and lunch in schools, Yes to having health nurses and social workers attached to schools, and Yes to providing gumboots and coats in winter to any kid in school that shows up without one,
And when all is said and done it has to be YES to the provision of after-school meals and extra teachers to help with the kids that don’t get help with the home-work at home,
And when all is said and done it has to be YES to the provision of after-school meals and extra teachers to help with the kids that don’t get help with the home-work at home,
The parallels between the USA/western allies (who “won”) and the F-USSR (who “lost) are growing all the time.
On another note, a friend of mine remarked that it looks like the Russians have won the space race with the USA through sheer bloody minded endurance – they can still send men into orbit, the USA cannot.
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New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has revealed the Party’s stance on a proposed single public broadcaster. He said it had been the NZ First policy to support and strengthen public sector media. "For this reason, we welcome the initiative of Minister Faafoi to progress work in this area. Both ...
Rt Hon Winston Peters, Leader of New Zealand First Introduction Good morning, and thank you for your attendance here today. Let us start by acknowledging the work of all the media outlets and reporters, particularly the regional reporters, who have been covering this week’s tragedy at Whakaari White Island. It ...
New Zealand First MP Darroch Ball’s bill introducing a six-month minimum sentence for assaults on first responders has passed its first reading in Parliament. Mr Ball said the new offence of "injuring a first responder or prison officer with intent" would target people who attacked paramedics, police, firefighters, and corrections ...
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters gave his final interview for 2019 on The Country to tell farmers they have never had it better under the current coalition Government. “Here you've got these record returns [for farmers]. These returns would be nothing like a record if the currency under the ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters said that New Zealand's Cook Islands High Commissioner, Tessa Temata, has died over the weekend. Ms Temata, 52, died in Palmerston North and had returned to New Zealand for medical treatment. She was the first New Zealand High Commissioner to the Cook Islands of Cook Island ...
A new defence report has mapped out how New Zealand's soldiers will navigate rising seas, and a year after the Defence Force announced its need to prepare for climate change. In the “Responding to the Climate Crisis” report, the Force restates its operational plan and sets goals to tackle climate ...
We're rebuilding New Zealand - our transport network, our hospitals, our schools and more... After nine years of neglect there's a lot to fix - but we're getting on with the job. ...
We're rebuilding New Zealand - our transport network, our hospitals, our schools and more... After nine years of neglect there's a lot to fix - but we're getting on with the job. ...
Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, has called for awareness to be raised and more stringent biosecurity checks to be put in place for African Swine Fever (ASF), a widespread virus that is uncontrolled in most of Asia and a serious ...
Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Human Rights A critical step has been taken to end gender based violence against women and girls in Parliament this evening. New Zealand First Spokesperson for Human Rights Jenny Marcroft MP has welcomed the passing of the first reading of the Crimes (Definition of Female ...
New Zealand First MP Shane Jones says it's time to recognise market forces haven't led to the expected reduction in Māori smoking rates and try a new approach. The Party had recently invoked the agree to disagree clause in their Coalition Agreement with the Labour Party, and will not support ...
Live from the Whanganui Opera House, on the final day of the 2019 Labour Party Conference, Jacinda Ardern announced the largest investment in school property in 25 years. ...
The Coalition Government will be banning foreign donations to political parties and candidates, ahead of next year’s general elections. Legislation will be introduced to Parliament and passed under urgency – emphasising the need for such restrictions to safeguard our democracy. The bill introduces a new requirement that party secretaries and ...
Associate Transport Minister Shane Jones opened Taipā's $19 million bridge recently, improving transport infrastructure in the Northland region. The two-lane bridge is 107m long with a 2.5m-wide shared walking and cycling path, and will reduce the congestion that the old one-lane bridge was notorious for. The project had also included ...
The Overseas Investment Office have rejected the application of Mercury Agriculture LP, which is 92 per cent controlled by Canadian interests, to purchase more than 2000 hectares of South Canterbury and Otago land. Mercury wanted to buy 2000ha at Rangitata, 1494ha near Ashburton, 816ha near Cromwell and 212ha near Temuka. ...
This weekend was Labour's 103rd Party Conference! We welcomed over 500 of our Labour whānau in red to Whanganui, where we reflected on the last two years in Government, and looked ahead to 2020 and beyond. We know the long-term challenges facing New Zealand won't be tackled overnight, but we're making ...
Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced that the Provincial Growth Fund will invest $9.6 million to seal the final unsealed section of State Highway 43 from Stratford to Taumarunui. The Minister said sealing the 12-kilometre gravel section of the highway – also called the “Forgotten World Highway” - through ...
Former Finance Minister and former chair of the Tax Working Group, Sir Michael Cullen, has voiced his support for New Zealand First’s decision to oppose the planned increase in tobacco excise tax. In an interview with The Weekend Collective, he said that increasing the price was no longer effective in ...
Māori are natural storytellers. On the marae we use stories to tell our history, to teach the next generation life lessons and to let people know, in our most creative of ways, who we are and where we have come from. ...
Rt Hon Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader New Zealand First has invoked the ‘Agree to Disagree’ provisions of the Coalition Agreement because it cannot support the announced 11.46 percent increase in the tobacco excise from 1 January 2020. “Studies show that the automatic tobacco excise increases are having less effect ...
Taupō-based company Geo40 has made a breakthrough in extracting near battery-grade lithium from geothermal fluid which its says could be a gamechanger. Its chief executive John Worth said the earth mineral was highly prized, with battery-grade lithium selling for US$10,000 (NZ$15,600) a tonne. Geo40 was founded in 2010 to find ...
Crown research institute AgResearch Ltd, as part of its Future Footprint plan, had intended to relocate top scientists and support staff — particularly those focused on sheep genetics and genomics — from Invermay to Lincoln. However, those plans seem to have been shelved at the request of the Coalition Government. ...
Ten engineering firms in Southland are receiving a total of $2.13 million in Provincial Growth Fund funding to lift productivity and create new jobs. Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced in Invercargill that the 10 engineering and manufacturing firms would receive funding to assist them with buying equipment that ...
The number of new residents to New Zealand is the lowest it has been in nearly two decades and it has earned the ire of the immigration industry. The industry alleges that 'Trump-style extreme vetting' is being put in place aimed at keeping a lid on immigration numbers. June Ranson, ...
The Royal New Zealand Air Force is one step closer to modernising its fleet after the United States State Department recently approved the sale of five new C-130J Hercules aircraft to New Zealand. Arms manufacturer Lockheed Martin, in Fort Worth, Texas, will provide the aircraft, but as a "foreign military ...
Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development A $261,000 loan from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) has helped a family-run business in Manawatū to scale up manufacturing capacity, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced at its opening today. Ashhurst-based skin-care business The Herb Farm is on track to ...
Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Regional Freight Hub near Palmerston North has taken a step forward with the completion of the master plan, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones said. Shane Jones unveiled the high-level design of the new Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) backed rail-road hub ...
Hon Ron Mark, Minister of DefenceTērā te haeata takiri ana mai i runga o Pukaha!Ara tai uru, whai uru, whai uru!Ara whai ato, whai ato, whai ato!Ara rā tini, ara rā tini, ara ri!The rays of the morning sun strike a new dawn upon Pukaha ...
Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic DevelopmentThe Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $772,000 in opportunities for growth in Manawatū-Whanganui, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today.NZ Bio-Forestry Limited will receive a $380,000 boost for game-changing research which could unlock significant growth in the wood processing sector, ...
Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Minister Winston Peters announced today the appointment of diplomat Sarah Lee as New Zealand’s High Commissioner to South Africa. She will be the first female Head of Mission to represent New Zealand in Africa. “New Zealand’s relationship with South ...
Sustained high growth in primary industry exports looks set to continue over the next two years with strong prices predicted for farmers, fishers, growers and rural communities. Minister of Agriculture and Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth Damien O’Connor today released the latest Situation and Outlook report for ...
Auckland’s growing screen sector is the catalyst for a new partnership between the Ministry of Social Development and Auckland’s economic development agency Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development (ATEED). The launch today at FilmFX in Henderson, is to celebrate the partnership which looks to capitalise on the social and economic development opportunities ...
A minute’s silence will be observed at 2.11pm on Monday 16 December in honour of the victims of the Whakaari White Island eruption, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed. “Wherever you are in New Zealand, or around the world, this is a moment we can stand alongside those who have ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced New Zealand will contribute NZ$1 million of funding towards the joint United Nations Fund for Children (UNICEF) and World Health Organisation (WHO) Pacific Regional Action Plan for Measles. “Prevention through vaccination is the most effective way of avoiding illness and a costly health emergency. ...
New Zealand is today remembering one of our true sporting heroes, triple Olympic gold medal winner Sir Peter Snell. “He was a legend, here and around the world,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “Our thoughts are with Sir Peter’s wife Miki and their family.” “Sir Peter is recognised as New ...
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson on his election victory. “New Zealand and the United Kingdom are close friends and despite our distance we are strongly connected by our history and people,” Jacinda Ardern said. “I look forward to continuing to work with Prime ...
The Government has released its long term vision for a sustainable 21st Century rail network that gets our cities moving, connects our regions and gets more freight off the roads. Deputy Prime Minister and State Owned Enterprises Minister Winston Peters said the Government is committed to rebuilding New Zealand’s ...
I want to start by acknowledging the families who have experienced such grief and such loss since the extraordinary tragedy on Monday. Today was all about reuniting them with their loved ones. We've just come from the airport where many of them were gathered and in amongst what you can ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters today announced further support for Samoa’s longer term needs as it continues to respond to a devastating measles epidemic. “Samoa’s health system has experienced massive strain in the wake of the measles epidemic. The volume of patients needing care during this outbreak, and the number of ...
Discounted electric bikes will be offered up to public sector staff across the country as part of the Government’s work to reduce transport emissions and support healthier transport options. Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter officially launched the new initiative at Wellington Hospital today. “The Government has negotiated bulk-purchase ...
The Australian and New Zealand Governments today launch an historic joint bid to bring the FIFA Women’s World Cup to the Southern Hemisphere for the first time. Australian Minister for Youth and Sport, Richard Colbeck and New Zealand Minister for Sport and Recreation Grant Robertson will announce the bold campaign, ...
The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) has approved a $15 million loan to help re-establish a gold mining operation at Blackwater Gold Mine, near Reefton, Rural Communities Minister and local MP Damien O’Connor announced at an event on the West Coast today. “This is great news for the Coast that could ...
Papakāinga model inspires whānau well-being A housing project by Kohupātiki whānau in Hastings is an outstanding example of a Māori-led housing initiative that can reduce financial pressure and reconnect whānau to their whakapapa says the Minister for Māori Development Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Minister Mahuta officially opened the Aroha Te Rangi ...
Restoration efforts for a significant wetland in the Hawke’s Bay are getting more support announced Associate Minister for the Environment Eugenie Sage. “Wetlands are vital to healthy landscapes and ecosystems. They function as nature’s ‘kidneys’, filtering and protecting water quality, acting as nature’s sponges after rain and are home to ...
Nelson has today seen the launch of Housing First Nelson Tasman. Today’s launch marks the expansion of the Government’s homelessness programme, Housing First, to the top of the South Island. “Housing First is a proven programme that puts people who are experiencing homelessness and multiple, high and complex needs into ...
New Government funding announced today will help communities make a difference in tackling environmental issues Associate Minister for the Environment Eugenie Sage announced in Hawkes Bay today. The Ministry for the Environment’s Community Environment Fund is dedicating $243,101 to growing the capacity and capability of the Environment Hubs Aotearoa’s (EHA) ...
The days of vulnerable consumers falling victim to loan sharks, truck shops and other predatory lenders are numbered, following the Credit Contracts Legislation Amendment Bill passing its third reading tonight. “Too many Kiwis are being given loans that are unaffordable and unsuitable, trapping them in debt and leaving their families ...
A Bill that prevents terrorism and supports the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas has passed its third reading, Justice Minister Andrew Little says. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill is a carefully targeted response to manage the risk posed by a small number of New Zealanders who have ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio will travel to Samoa on Friday, where New Zealand medical teams are helping Samoa respond to an outbreak of measles. “New Zealand has been working closely with the Government of Samoa and offering our assistance from the ...
The Government has changed the law to improve student safety and welfare in university halls of residence and other student accommodation. The Education (Pastoral Care) Amendment Bill passed its third reading this afternoon and details of an interim Code of Practice setting out the Government’s expectations of tertiary providers have also been released. ...
A new tool to help councils fund and finance infrastructure could mean some housing developments happen a decade earlier than currently planned, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said today. “This new tool, developed by the Government in partnership with industry and high-growth councils, will allow councils to access private debt ...
Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has welcomed the release of a bold new vision for the country’s vital food and fibre sector. “I’m delighted that New Zealand’s major farmer and grower organisations are today supporting the Primary Sector Council’s vision – Fit for a Better World,” he said. “The international consumers ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has congratulated the Government of Papua New Guinea and the Autonomous Bougainville Government for completing a well-conducted referendum on the future political status of Bougainville. “New Zealand supported the referendum process by providing technical advice through the New Zealand Electoral Commission and leading a Regional Police ...
In light of Cabinet’s position that freight operations on prime land in downtown Auckland are no longer viable, the Government will now embark on a short work programme to enable decision-making in the first half of next year, Associate Transport Minister Shane Jones says. Minister Jones is today releasing the ...
Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter has received the report back from a surgical mesh restorative justice process undertaken by Victoria University. The process heard stories, either in person or online submission, from more than 600 people affected by surgical mesh. “The report made for heart-breaking and confronting reading,” says ...
The Water Services Regulator Bill – Taumata Arowai , introduced to Parliament today, is a milestone for drinking water safety in New Zealand and will help improve environmental outcomes for urban waterways, rivers and lakes. “This is a breakthrough for New Zealanders in terms of providing safe drinking water throughout ...
Kia ora koutouE ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā matā wakaTēnā koutou katoaHaere ngā, moe maiKoutou ma ngā Rangatira Ko Anaru ahauKo au te Minita mo ngā TureHe Honore tino nui kei roto I ahau No reira tena koutou katoa Today, we are releasing two reports that are the ...
The Government is looking to turn around the long-term challenges of criminal justice by taking a new approach to break the cycle of offending to ensure there are fewer victims of crime. Justice Minister Andrew Little released two reports today, Turuki! Turuki! from Te Uepū Hāpai I te Ora, and ...
New Zealand firms expanding beyond the start-up phase are set for more support after today’s passage of the Venture Capital Fund Bill, Associate Finance Minister David Parker said. The Bill, which establishes a $300 million Venture Capital Fund, puts in place a key initiative of the Wellbeing Budget’s economic package. ...
E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā iwi, e ngā rau rangatira mā. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Señora Presidenta, Excellencies, Delegates. International action A common thread that runs through the Paris Agreement is the commitment we have made to each other to do what we can to ...
The Government is lifting capital investment to the highest level in more than 20 years as it takes the next step to future-proof New Zealand. Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced $12 billion of new investment, with $8 billion for specific capital projects and $4 billion to be added to ...
The Government is forecast to run $12 billion worth of surpluses across the four years to 2023/24 as the economy continues to grow. The surpluses will help fund day-to-day capital requirements each year. These include fixing leaky hospitals, building new classrooms to cover population growth and take pressure off class ...
Budget 2020 will continue the Coalition Government’s focus on tackling the long-term challenges facing New Zealand while also investing to future-proof the economy. When the Government took office in 2017 it was left with crumbling infrastructure, severe underinvestment in public services, degraded rivers and lakes, a housing crisis and rising ...
The Minister responsible for the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 (te Takutai Moana Act 2011), Andrew Little has welcomed the launch of an online geospatial tool that provides data-rich, dynamic coastline maps that will significantly boost research and evidence-gathering under the Act. Te Kete Kōrero a Te ...
The Chief Victims Advisor to Government Dr Kim McGregor, QSO, has been reappointed in her role for a further two years. Dr McGregor has held the role since it was established in November 2015. She provides independent advice to government on how to improve the criminal justice system for victims. ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Civil Defence Minister Peeni Henare have today announced the deployment of a network of DART (Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunami) buoys. “New Zealand and the Pacific region are particularly vulnerable to natural disasters. It is vital we have adequate warning systems in place,” ...
DART Buoys Announcement Aotea Wharf, 9.30am 11 December 2019 Acknowledgements Acknowledgements to Minister for Civil Defence Hon Peeni Henare also here today. White Island It is with regret that this event shadows the tragic natural disaster two days ago. The volcanic eruptions on White Island have claimed 5 lives, ...
Racing Minister Winston Peters has welcomed the first reading of the Racing Industry Bill in parliament today. This is the second of two Bills that have been introduced this year to revitalise New Zealand’s racing industry. “Our domestic racing industry has been in serious decline. The Government is committed to ...
Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni, is pleased to announce that $291,321 is to be awarded to national and local community initiatives to maintain and promote the use of New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL). “New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world where Sign Language is an ...
Minister for Veterans Ron Mark has announced today the Coalition Government’s initial response to work completed by the independent statutory body, the Veterans’ Advisory Board. “When Professor Ron Paterson completed his review of the Veterans’ Support Act in 2018, he made a number of recommendations, including one which I referred ...
The Provincial Growth Fund giving $13 million to a gold mining project under DOC land on the West Coast is a disgraceful waste of public money says Coromandel Watchdog, a group fighting gold mining in Hauraki. ...
CEAC reviewed the NZTA National Land Transport Programme “2021–24 NLTP development” plan to see the support for rail funding was there, and NZTA is now seen as ‘anti-rail’ in their NLTP plans, contrary to Government policy to use rail - heads must roll. ...
Kiwi startup founder Jenene Crossan has spent two years enduring jetlag and heinous London Airbnb prices as she builds her latest business.Jenene Crossan, co-founder and CEO of beauty booking service Flossie, has spent most of the past two years sitting in airport lounges and living out of suitcases in a bid ...
From New Zealand’s biggest band selling out Western Springs to a landmark moment for Pasifika women onstage, these are the live events that shaped New Zealand this decade.An anchor in the middle of the deep blue sea: Daffodils, 2014 Todd Emerson and Colleen Davis in Daffodils, on stage at the Traverse ...
Is there something to be learned from TVNZ’s Wild West-meets-WWE-meets-19th-century-New Zealand web series? After all, writes Sharon Mazer, colonisation, like professional wrestling, is a fixed match.The premise underlying TVNZ’s new web series Colonial Combat is anachronistic and preposterous, even by WWE standards. It’s also fascinating.Transported from American popular culture to ...
For a lot of people, there’s not much joy to be found at Christmas. Emily Writes spoke to Dr Sarah Bell-Booth and Gwendoline Smith about how to deal with the hard stuff in the face of all that relentless holiday cheer.Despite my anxiety, I generally enjoy Christmas now that I ...
This contained incorrect information regarding the remuneration of Alexandra Allan. The item has now been deleted and Scoop unreservedly apologises to Ms Allan for the distress caused due to this publication. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Melbourne At the December 12 UK election, the Conservatives won 365 of the 650 House of Commons seats (up 48 since the 2017 election), Labour 202 (down 60), the Scottish National ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Simon Tormey, Professor of Politics, University of Bristol So for all the talk of narrowing polls, tactical voting, and possible shocks leading to a hung parliament, Boris Johnson achieved a crushing victory over Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party in the UK’s ...
Sir Peter Snell has died, aged 80, at his home in Dallas, Texas. James McOnie remembers arguably New Zealand’s greatest ever athlete.Sir Peter Snell was so great that small towns still engage in custody battles over the legendary runner.His birthplace Opunake (where he spent his first 11 years) claims him, ...
Māori Injustice Issues Will Have More Visibility Thanks to New Panel Advising Ombudsman A prominent Māori leader, Lady Tureiti Moxon believes Māori injustice issues will be seen much more now thanks to Pūhara Mana Tangata, a first-time Māori panel appointed ...
“It was right there in the waiting room that Jack first told me he was finding it hard to separate his fingers”: a parent’s nightmare, by Dunedin writer Emma Neale. ...
We started picking a top 10 ourselves and puttered out at about #3, sick of the sound of our own voice. Bugger it, we thought, and sent for assistance. It’s been like Christmas ever since, an inbox flowing over with gorgeous, sincere little gifts. Here’s the nonfiction selection, in no ...
The leadership shown by tangata whenua at every national disaster and tragedy should be recognised and honoured by all of us, writes Catherine Delahunty.I do appreciate having a prime minister who is capable of expressing decent, human emotions when tragedies descend on us. It’s a sadly low bar that she ...
From the pockmarked rugby paddock of Apiti, to the smooth, iridescent-blue turf of Albany, Black Sticks defender Steph Dickins' hockey journey has come a long way. ...
If you want to shock and amaze your friends and family this Christmas, look no further than the deep recesses of $1 reserve Trade Me. Folks, I’m going to let you in on a huge Christmas secret here: you can get all your presents for $1 if you know where to ...
To celebrate the 50th birthday of the Govett-Brewster Art Gallery/Len Lye Centre in New Plymouth, Walters Prize-winning artist Ruth Buchanan has rehung their collection, bringing previously unseen works and skeletons out of the closet. Her new exhibition The scene in which I find myself/Or, where does my body belong examines ...
It is hard to remember a year in which New Zealand was so repeatedly in global headlines, writes Kamahl Santamaria, a Kiwi journalist based in Doha.Time zones are a strange thing. You go to sleep, and then for eight hours or so, you miss out on everything happening on the ...
Napoleon demanded that his generals be lucky. Conservative PM Boris Johnson, as he surveys a thumping victory in the British general election, would meet that criterion.His luck bears a resemblance to that of Margaret Thatcher. Like her, he has made a decisive break with orthodox establishment thinking. That presents ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Scott Morrison has rejected or sidelined a number of recommendations from the long-awaited Thodey review of the public service that might have constrained his and his government’s power. Not surprisingly, a proposal to ensure changes ...
Analysis - The "do nothing" government announces a big spend-up on infrastructure, moving the Port of Auckland, and Winston Peters throws his weight behind NZME's bid to buy Stuff. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra [embedded content]For their last video for the year, University of Canberra Vice-Chancellor Deep Saini and Michelle Grattan look backwards to the big issues which have shaped political discourse. They discuss the surprise election results, and ...
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has acknowledged Ngāti Awa for their role as tangata whenua (people of the land) in leading and caring for affected whānau (family members), following the Whakaari / White Island eruption and recovery operation earlier today. ...
The Environment Committee has opened for public submissions on the Urban Development Bill. The bill follows on from the Kāinga Ora–Homes and Communities bill, which disestablished Housing New Zealand and set up a Crown entity in the same name. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By William Loader, Emeritus Professor of New Testament at Murdoch University, Murdoch University This article is part of our Gender and Christianity series. To understand contemporary Christian ideas about gender, and specifically masculinity, we need to go all the way back to the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Gissing, General Manager, Risk Frontiers, Adjunct Fellow, Macquarie University Calls are growing for a national bushfire plan, including from former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, who says they are an issue of national security and the federal government must provide hands-on leadership. ...
Pro-democracy lobby group Democracy Action welcome New Zealand First’s commitment to hold firm rejecting the Te Tai Tonga MP Rino Tirikatene’s bill to entrench the Māori seats. The Bill, which would require any changes to the seats to require the ...
The Real Pod assembles to dissect the week in reality television and real life, with special thanks to Nando’s.Sometimes you are just doing a podcast as usual and then Colin Mathura-Jeffree gives you a call and throws your world off its axis. In a very special edition of Colin’s Cranny: Live, ...
We get a handle on the artists and artworks that shaped this decade in Aotearoa.As 2019 draws to a close, the four nominees for this year’s Turner Prize subverted the competition – they asked to receive the award as a collective. Meanwhile, at Art Basel Miami Beach, a banana taped ...
The second and final report of Te Uepū Hāpai i te Ora, the Safe and Effective Justice Advisory Group, contains nothing we didn’t know 30 years ago. Yet generations of politicians have ignored the same advice, writes Laura O’Connell Rapira.Between the 1950s and 1990s, New Zealand experienced seismic social, economic ...
Fuel company Z Energy has cut its earnings forecast for the year by 10 percent because of tougher competition and falling margins, and is forecasting a big cut in dividends. ...
Liquidators of the hacked cryptocurrency exchange Cryptopia have travelled to the United States, to retrieve customers' information and certain crypto-assets. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kath Albury, Professor of Media and Communication, Faculty of Health, Arts and Design, Swinburne University of Technology Popular commentary on dating apps often associates their use with “risky” sex, harassment and poor mental health. But anyone who has used a dating app ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Louise Grimmer, Senior Lecturer in Marketing, Tasmanian School of Business and Economics, University of Tasmania Australian shoppers are set to spend $52.7 billion this Christmas. In the words of the retail industry, we are “stampeding” to empty our wallets, both online and ...
NZ Herald and many other media outlets ran a story on a man whose farts could repel mosquitos, despite the story coming from a satire news site and not being verified in any way, writes Dan Satherly for Newshub.“Man’s farts so deadly he kills mosquitoes in a 6m radius” is ...
Timing right to borrow our way to a stronger economy in 2020 The Government’s announcement of its intent to invest significantly in the county’s infrastructure could turbo charge an economic recovery that was already showing positive signs for ...
A poem by writer, journalist, and former Manus Island refugee Behrouz Boochani.Forgive me my loveTranslated by Moones Mansoubi, Manus Island, Papua New Guinea, 2018 Forgive me my bird as I am not able to embrace you.But here,in this corner,I know some migrating birds that I smile to at dawn.I embrace them ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Powles, Senior Lecturer in Security Studies, Massey University The Autonomous Region of Bougainville, a chain of islands that lie 959 kilometres northwest of Papua New Guinea’s capital, Port Moresby, has voted unequivocally for independence. The referendum saw 85% voter turnout during ...
Fisheries New Zealand starts consultation today on proposed changes to catch settings for rock lobster and scallops for the new fishing year beginning 1 April 2020. ...
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. This was the declaration of the pigs who control the government in George Orwell’s novel, Animal Farm– a tart comment on the hypocrisy of governments that proclaim the absolute equality of their citizens but gives power and privileges ...
SPCA has been working flat out to desex more than 80 animals a day over the last year, which is the most desexing SPCA has done since recording the figures. ...
“The fact so many families are struggling to pay the rent and put food on the table must be addressed urgently if we’re to provide the foundations for a good life for the next generation of New Zealanders,” says Scott Figenshow, Chief Executive ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Girl, Woman, Other by Bernadine Evaristo (Hamish Hamilton, $40)Winner of the 2019 Booker Prize.2The Body: ...
This holiday season Te Tari Taiwhenua, Department of Internal Affairs wants to offer parents and caregivers some advice on how to help keep your family safe online. ...
A report released by the Chief Victims advisor Kim McGregor advising there needs to be an Independent Victims body is being welcomed by Victim Rights lobby group Sensible Sentencing Trust. National spokesperson Jess McVicar says the trust have ...
For the third time in five years, the United Kingdom has gone to the polls today. From the summer islands of New Zealand, join The Spinoff as we follow the results rolling in.9.30am: So, with polls about 90 minutes away from closing, the top line is this – we’ve got ...
Winston Peters will back an NZME proposal to buy Stuff with a 'Kiwishare' guarantee the merged news company will keep regional news and separate websites for at least two years. ...
The Executive Director of Dapaanz (Addiction Practitioners’ Association Aotearoa New Zealand), Sue Paton says the announcement that Alcohol and Other Drug Treatment court would become permanent immediately, following successful pilots in Auckland ...
Online marketplace Sidekicker is taking advantage of people who have little choice but to juggle multiple low-paying jobs to make ends meet, writes artist and freelancer Ben Markley.After graduating early this year with one of the least vocational degrees, I didn’t expect the largest array of job prospects. Nevertheless, I ...
National is vowing to bring back and expand health sector targets dropped by the current Government and mulling whether to scrap elected District Health Boards. ...
More than 10,000 people have signed a petition launched a week ago, calling for better support and funding for community midwives. The 10k figure was reached after the first four days. Chief executive of the College of Midwives, Alison Eddy, said last ...
Information obtained by animal rights organisation SAFE has revealed rodeo organisers are refusing to halt calf-roping events in rodeo, despite the Government’s animal welfare advisors’ recommendation that they do so. ...
Subject; Deputy PM said quote; “New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has challenged his Cabinet colleagues for the delay over a Northport decision, criticising it as "paralysis by analysis". https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/405385/paralysis-by-analysis-winston-peters-assessment-of-the-delay-over-northport ...
If the Productivity Commission's report on local government funding, released yesterday, had been relied on by NASA as the basis for getting astronauts to the moon, its greatest achievement by now would have been launching a $2 skyrocket 40 feet into the air ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Benjamin Mayne, Molecular biologist and bioinformatician, CSIRO Humans have a “natural” lifespan of around 38 years, according to a new method we have developed for estimating the lifespans of different species by analysing their DNA. Extrapolating from genetic studies of species with ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Evans, Professor of Governance and Director of Democracy 2025 – bridging the trust divide at Old Parliament House, University of Canberra A new, ongoing survey on how young Australians understand and imagine their democracy is already challenging long-held stereotypes. The survey ...
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Tory immunity to facts will not make them disappear.
“They come from Oxfam, Unicef, Rights Advice Scotland, the British Medical Association, the Welfare Reform Committee of the Holyrood Parliament and many more besides. They have two things in common.
First, they demonstrate, time and again, that the destruction of social security provision in Britain is having a cataclysmic effect, hitting the poorest communities first and vulnerable people hardest. There are statistics, tables and charts enough to satisfy any sceptic’s demand for evidence.
Second, each of these documents is born of a strange, indignant naivety. The writers and researchers cling to the belief that if only Government could be made to address mountains of evidence, understanding would dawn. Facts, datasets, unimpeachable methodology, objective truths: who could ignore reports from reality?”
Read the rest of this article by Ian Bell in the Herald Scotland. It could just as well have been written for a New Zealand context.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/tory-immunity-to-facts-will-not-make-them-disappear.21231167
There are genuine heroes in this country and I rate John Minto at the very top of that list
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/02/ive-had-a-gutsful-of-low-life-bludgers/
He just hits the nails on the head every single time. Kia kaha John and the Mana Movement.
John Minto is a genuine Kiwi hero.
+1
John Minto giving a perfect description of National’s Simon Lusk perhaps ???, mind you Slippery the PM appears to fit well within Minto’s short analysis of the speculative capitalists…
Huh?
“Conservation spokeswoman Eugenie Sage and climate change spokesman Kennedy Graham were both considered “safe” Green MPs, but some within Labour doubted whether they had the profile to be Cabinet Ministers.” [http://www.nzherald.co./nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887884]
Some within Labour doubted??
Come on, let’s be brutally honest – both Kennedy Graham and Eugenie Sage would easily and undoubtedly clear the line for Cabinet Minister if the benchmark is Shearer has the profile to be PM.
Likely scared.
The competence level of Green mp’s is on average far above all the other parties. Which makes sense, only the top 14 are in parliament.
If you are making a list of people ready for a cabinet, Julie Anne Genter would be my first pick after Dr Norman.
Bloody foreigners coming over here and taking our jobs. /shakes fist
John Key.
“..he’s not smiling because he likes you..”
Words to live by.
Someone make a meme!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887884
And Granny comes to National and Key’s rescue again classing what Norman said as personality politics rather than the as the bold statement of facts that they are. IIRC, they certainly didn’t class Key’s attack (devil beast) as personality politics (otherwise known as ad hominem) but that’s exactly what they were.
Wow, just watched the Q&A interview of Metiria Turei, she is outstanding. What a great team Turei and Norman.
The Green Party is on a roll, they are the best thing that has happened in New Zealand politics in a long time. Their timing in attacking National is perfect, people are sick of what National are doing and the MSM are providing them with a free reign. The Greens are showing that they are tough, ruthless and strongly principled.
I’m picking 18% to 20% in 2014, some coming from female voters who voted National in 2011, but most coming from traditional Labour voters.
Really loving the way they are handling themselves and the media. Marama Davidson running in Ikaroa-Rāwhiti for the Greens – it’s a great line up going into 2014.
Agreed Saarbo. Metiria is outstanding. She is warm, speaks with clarity and shows empathy, commonsense, strength, and vision.
This long time Labour member has made the switch.
May not have if David Cunliffe had become the Labour leader after the last election. But we were never given the chance to see what a difference he could have made (similar qualities to those of Metiria.) My guess is he would have been on fire against this despicable government from the get go…and inspired a whole nation in the process. The political landscape would now be a lot different.
But it didn’t happen…and to boot he was sent to Coventry.
Labour’s loss – Green’s gain.
Go Russell and Metiria. I can’t wait to see you and your principled team part of the next government.
Indeed, i met Metiria and Her Sis a lifetime ago and way back then just ‘knew’ that one or the other, (or both), were going places,
Not places dictated by naked ambition but places dictated by the need to make the necessary changes no matter what it cost or how long it took,
A heart of gold and a backbone of steel, i near fell off my seat laughing when prior to the 2011 election Metiria took apart the Education Minister with a 30 second burst in a RadioNZ National debate that would have stripped paint and certainly shut the babbling mouth of Ann Tolley who sat through the remainder of the discussion in what i can only infer was shocked silence…
I agree with everything you have said. I also switched when we were shat upon by the dinosaurs in charge of the Labour party.
Maybe 14-17% at the outside, I think.
I think your est. is about right, Lanth.
There are huge downsides for the Greens if they were to hit 20% – growing unsustainably fast has many dangers for a political party which needs to continue to develop it’s own institutional structures and processes.
Gaining another 4-5 MPs however is probably exactly what the Greens need to keep on track (to become NZ’s dominant left wing party).
I think once the Greens get into government, they’ll either surge ahead in popularity, or drop back, but they won’t stay at their mid-teens level once they get a chance to show their mettle.
I’m picking surge ahead, taken mainly from Labour but also a bit from National. 2017 could end up seeing them as almost-equals with Labour.
I think political parties tend to lose popularity — whether slowly or quickly — once in power, when the compromises of wielding power are laid bare and grand plans suffer when they come into contact with the civil service, the media, the judiciary and other institutions, let alone the public.
Campaigning is far easier than governing.
Bit of a rock and hard place for people, I guess.
So desperate for signs of positivity, that the manufactured rise of the Greens is being cheered on.
People need to be weary of anything/anyone, coming from inside the existing system, these are not organic creations.
Perhaps read some policy, then look at what political parties do to those policies, once they are part of a government. Lies, lies and more lies, followed by *new polciy*, which not not part of any manefesto, pre elections.
People on this site need to understand more about economics/finance reality, before backing any party, understand the reality. Yes Norman has referenced *printing money*, but he is talking crap, it will not be done, or it would have by now.
Should The Greens form a government, they will be bound by the same constraints as any other part, beholden to the global institutions, thats assuming Norman is not the Green equivalent of David Shearer, which IMO, he is!
Someone argue otherwise, please go ahead and give it a crack!
Norman is nothing like Shearer.
Norman has an elegance about him, Shearer comes across awkward
Norman articulates his argument, Shearer is inconsistent
Norman’s identity alines closely with his party val. Shearer at times does the opposite (esp. welfare)
As for the rest of your argument I’d be surprised if you voted at all given your underlying belief that the system we have is inherently flawed.
Shearer is in place for a reason, Norman, is also there for a reason…
Neither of them, to benefit NZ or its people!
Do you believe that having a vote, has made any meaningful change, under the neoliberal agenda of the past 40+ years?
Do you believe that a party inside the current parliamentary system, is going to defend NZ against the owners of the neoliberal agenda?
“…the owners of the neoliberal agenda?”
I was thinking of buying Coca Cola shares, but this neoliberal agenda sounds even better. Do they have a prospectus?
Greens/Labour and Norman/Shearer strike me as very unlike each other. It was well summarized above that Norman has an argument and articulates it. Shearer doesn’t and doesn’t. You could extrapolate from that to their respective parties and not be too far off base.
There is a lot of hand-wringing about what Labour has to do to explain what they stand for, but it seems like the best first step would be to, you know, stand for something.
“Do you believe that a party inside the current parliamentary system, is going to defend NZ against the owners of the neoliberal agenda?”
Yes. I trust Norman, Turei and the GP to do this to the best of their ability within the constraints of the system.
I don’t expect miracles though. I’m not sure what you are doing running this line that no party can do anything good. The GP aren’t responsible for overthrowing neoliberalism, but they can definitely hold the line for a while. At the very least they will be a positive force in some areas instead of the overwhelmingly negative force of Key Inc.
“Do you believe that having a vote, has made any meaningful change, under the neoliberal agenda of the past 40+ years?”
Yes. We got MMP. We were better off having the Clark govt than another 2 terms of the 90s Nats.
“Norman has an elegance about him…”
Hmmmm. Let me refresh your memory
Just the rashness of younger days my man
Did he get his flag back in the end?
Hmmmm. Let me refresh your memory
That’s interesting. A New Zealand politician actually has the integrity and the courage to protest against our government cozying up to a brutal regime, and is attacked by foreign goons ON THE GROUNDS OF OUR PARLIAMENT—and your reaction is to pour scorn on him.
I am not surprised, not in the slightest. That you side with the Chinese regime even as its thugs attack a New Zealand MP in the grounds of the New Zealand parliament is exactly what I would have predicted.
I just never thought you would be so foolish as to openly publish it.
How is that siding with the “Chinese regime”, fool?
More to the point, how can a Member of the New Zealand Parliament be so lacking in gravitas and standing as to make a mockery of our sovereignty by getting himself manhandled by a foreign dignitary’s security detail?
Interesting how you blame our own elected NZ MP, and not the Chinese security officers.
How is that siding with the “Chinese regime”, fool?
Even considering the fact you are not serious, that is a particularly crass reply.
….how can a Member of the New Zealand Parliament be so lacking in gravitas and standing as to make a mockery of our sovereignty by getting himself manhandled by a foreign dignitary’s security detail?
You have no idea about, and no respect for, the concept of democracy. No wonder you scorn protestors and, yes, side with the Chinese regime.
By the way, THIS is a New Zealand MP who lacks in gravitas and standing….
Interesting!!!, in 2009 the IMF in it’s interim report to the incoming National Government made a point, (at paragraph 15 if my memory serves me right), that the incoming government should seriously consider quantitative easing, *printing money*, as opposed to borrowing the 80 billion dollars it has up to this point accumulated as the actual cost to New Zealand of this particular regime,
Interim reports from the IMF are of course referred to Governments for comment and a negotiation of what is compiles as the final report then takes place, the final report issued early in 2009 made no mention of *printing money* and it is obvious that the present Government had this section edited from the interim report in it’s negotiations with the IMF over what the final IMF report to the incoming Government would recommend,
That interim IMF report to the incoming National Government disappeared soon after i began highlighting it’s contents on another website and my mistake was to not access a printer and make a hard copy of it,
Obviously the actions of this National Government in the past two terms have negated the advice from the IMF that the Government print the monies necessary to cover it’s ”losses” as a result of the Global Financial Crisis instead opting for that 80 billion dollars of debt,
Given the above it would seem that Dr Norman was at the time calling for the printing of money by the Government from a point of the current financial orthodoxy and it is not Dr Norman proposing some form of ‘voodoo economics’ but yourself, Bill English and John Key who have their heads buried in the sand or in the s**t in the case of the latter two…
I’m well aware of the IMF reports which come out including the one you mention, and being in opposition, as I noted yesterday in a comment, is a very easy place to make loud noises from (unless you’re David Shearer).
IMF, WB UNESCO et al, the globalist enterprises, pump out these papers/reports on a regular basis, and they are not worth the paper they are printed on!
Who do you believe the IMF to be, some altuistic establishment?
Why is the RBNZ Govenor, ex long time World Bank MD, who is named in corruption goings on by Karen Hudes?
Conditionalities Policies – Since 1961
Who i believe the IMF to be is irrelevant to this discussion, i am simply pointing out to you that ‘crap’ as you ascribe to Dr Norman was at the time the Dr was calling for the Government to *print money* instead of borrowing it the prevailing financial orthodoxy,
Your insinuation that the Green Party is some form of ‘plant’ in a conspiracy is what i consider to be the only ‘crap’ being spread here,
Your petty allegations are laughable and ill considered and the sum total of your beliefs seems to encompass a ‘they are all corrupt don’t vote for any of them’ underlying motive…
My contention was, as per the example I gave from a post yesterday, is that its very easy to make the right noises, when you’re not even an official govt opposition..
Russel has nothing to lose by repeating the *money printing* diatribe, which would be a far cry from what he would do, should he get near enough to the treasury strings to enact such a policy. To believe Norman would enact such a policy, of his own accord, is simply utter crap, he will do, only what he is told, within the narrow parameters that those who dictate to NZ, will allow!
Tell me all about Russel Norman then, tell me why I should believe his alleged back story, anymore than I believe Shearers , makes him anything other an a plant, put in place to do/say nothing *controversial*, let alone attack the governments continued failures.
Instead there is Norman, as a pseudo opposition leader and *spokesman*, how very convenient!
Yawn you start today’s diatribe with a wish that readers and commentors here at the Standard had some understanding of fiscal matters and it would seem vis a vis the ‘crap’ comment you point in Dr Norman’s direction you in particular target the Green party,
When i point out to you that Norman was in tune with what all the major economy’s, (except the Chinese who have plenty of the filthy lucre and therefor have no need), along with the IMF advice in His comments over ‘quantitative easing’ you retreat to making a series of baseless, unfounded allegations about the Co-Leader of the Green Party,
i don’t propose to tell you shit about Dr Norman and if you have any specific allegation to make about Him i suggest you do so providing a modicum of proof otherwise you run the risk in spreading such baseless allegations of looking as if you are simply shit-stirring in an effort to cover up your lite-weight knowledge of the economic situation,
i will tho point out that Dr Norman when He proposes the printing of money is diametrically in opposition to not only National but Labour as well who have no such fiscal policy instead adhering to the ‘borrowing option’,
If what i see occurring after November 2014, or November 2017 is to become in fact the reality with the Government’s fiscal position then i believe at that point Labour may have to reconsider it’s fiscal policy…
Uh, the Chinese banks are likely sitting on a sky high mountain of bad debts and bad mortgages.
Once you take into account the massive amount of NPLs and the need to recapitalise the Chinese banks…I think you’ll find that China has fuck all money left over. And I think that the Chinese leadership know it, but are keeping a very straight poker face.
CV, you may or may not be right in your analysis of the unstated Chinese fiscal position but from an orthodox position it is what the figures say it is,
Perhaps i should have alluded to such in my comment but giving the persona i am at present debating with chances at diverting from the central issue of debate would simply have him/her play tic tac toe with me changing the subject materially with every comment…
Ah yes sorry for the derail. In that case, as you were.
What are you yawning at? And yes many here do not even understand basic financial/economic concepts, which leads to most threads being little more than a running commentary of the decline in, NZ inc!
Retreat – Nah, you’re pretending you knew what my original comments position was, you interpreted it incorrectly, I explained again, you don’t accept it, too bad12!
The below is something for you to look further at:
Bit defensive, yet attacking all in the same space, B12 – What’s the reason for that bro?
The only thing i can say about your latest attempt = are you pissed or somehow suffering under an altered mental state,
As debate that scores a zero on my register and is hardly worth answering, you make allegations about Dr Norman in particular, when called upon to provide facts you provide nothing,
Your latest little attempt at side-tracking the debate away from the unfounded accusations you make against Dr Norman simply moves you further into the realm of ‘tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist’,
And what you trot out as something ‘i should take a look at’ is simply laughable, Crown when such language is used in official speak is simply the NZ Government and your alluding to this particular passage from an act shows your abject lack of intellect,
It is Governments who appoint the Governor of the Reserve Bank and if any future Government had no faith in a particular governor to carry out that Governments fiscal policies i am sure they would force His/Her resignation,
As far as the Reserve Bank legislation removing from a Government the ability to ‘print money’ aaah derrrr any Government can choose to change any legislation any time it so wishes….
Dr Norman, lol, wait on, can you get his balls in your mouth too…
You got all heated up, over my saying, IMO, Norman, is talking crap, while in a position of ZERO influence!
Go read up on the Reserve Bank Act (RBNZ/OoDM), and *The Crown*, then you might have something to contribute to a conversation around such subject matter.
“Yes Norman has referenced *printing money*, but he is talking crap, it will not be done, or it would have by now.”
Are you saying that QE isn’t in use anywhere on the planet?
It’s weird how the RWNJs ignore the massive increases in global M1, M2 and M3. Where do they think that money is coming from, if not printed ex nihilo?
No Murray, that’s not what I’m saying!
Norman is talking crap, because, even if he had the opportunity to influence/alter NZ Monetary Policy, he would do NO such thing! If it were going to be done (in NZ), it would have by now!
That is what I was saying!
Trust you have been putting the geo-engineering links to good use, I can’t be feeding it to you on a plate , continually Murray!
Hope you’re well!
Why would it have been done any time in the last 20 years?
Nah, present time..
Its (printing) been done by NZ before, from memory but only on a relatively small scale, and not as part of strategic response to the *GFC*, as such.
Edit: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8735081/RBNZ-hints-at-more-intervention
The best use for those links was to close them and forget about them. I already replied to you about them.
Didn’t see the reply, I don’t care to receive response notifications, so if I don;t catch the response, then its unlikely I ever will.
Why would you forget about geo-engineering Murray?
As a PhD, I would have thought you might want to investigate, what gives?
If you want me to investigate something for you, it’s $300/hr. Otherwise, get your own PhD and go for it.
Murray, with respect, there is no need to entertain the notion of paying someone to do research on behalf, so I’ll take your comment as facetious.
Progression of understanding, should never stop, age nor health should interfere in life learning’s. If you’re well enough to post here, you’re well enough to do some reading.
Don’t let that PhD become a barrier to cogent awareness, which your automatic reaction, might be to see a subject matter, under a preconceived judgment set.
Go well…
I am well enough to decide what I’ll do with my time. It won’t include taking suggestions from a conspiracy theorist who has mastered the correct usage of neither the comma nor the apostrophe. You’re coming across as a creepy bloody stalker. I don’t care what youtube videos you watch, how many copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion you have, or what you think is happening in the world. I have no interest in your suggestions for reading material, nor do I wish to suscribe to your hopeless nightmare of a world run by hidden dark forces about which we can do nothing. You’re welcome to it, but your philosophy is not one which changes the world in the slightest. It’s the philosophy of the helpless victim who can always find an excuse to do nothing, the paranoid sufferer who locks themselves in their room in the foetal position, hoping that the Illuminati will not enter.
Not interested, thanks. I’m interested in fighting back and changing things. We’re on opposite sides.
Thanks for illustrating my assertion about preconception, Murray, well done! You realize that that your reference to grammatical correctness, is reserved for when someone has nothing else to offer, perhaps not!
And yet, its you, who has been responding to my posts, Murray, not to mention, your request for links on the subject, which I provided (see reminder, a little down in my rebuttal)
Never read the protocols, Murray, and nice attempted fob off, vis a vis, youtube. As you should appreciate, knowledge that can be gained from any medium, but again, its good of you to show what preconception bias, Murray.
Understanding on the other hand, requires emotional intelligence, which can’t learnt from a book, or a video, or anything other than life itself, most don’t learn to understand, ever!
I’m up for joining dots, let’s see. Your position, is that geo-engineering, and the chem-trails discussion, are one and the same, and having conflated, decided there is nothing you can, or are prepared to invest in understanding it, even after you asked me for some links, to get you started a couple of weeks back, to you remember that, Murray?
Murray, what’s concerning, yet enlightening at the same time, is how you’ve taken the legitimate subject of geo-engineering, then twisted it inside your prejudice, and come up with the protocols of Zion, and the Illuminati, which is frankly a rather naked insight, to where your minds at. Suggest you leave the online psychological evaluations aside, they require understanding, among other traits, and you have no lucky strike of understanding what my *philosophy* is, not with the barriers/blockers, and outright confusion you have shared in the comments, I’m responding to here!
With you there, Murray, not so opposite in fact, but we won’t find much inspiration or fight via this site, however you will find plenty who share your interest in grammatical pedantry, and childish, fob off insults, which is not really adding much in terms of fight , is it!
All the best…
Humbug Corner
No. 1: DOMINIC BOWDEN
One of those godawful judges has just spoken harshly about the performance of a contestant. The young man shuffles off the stage for the obligatory post-humiliation interview…
Rejected contestant: It was so hard hearing that. It was just, uh… [starts to whimper] … yeah.
Dominic Bowden: [softly, with Clintonian empathy] It’s okay to be speechless.
The X-Factor, TV3, Sunday 19 May 2013
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You darned kids gett offa my lawn! *impotently shakes fist*
You darned kids gett offa my lawn! *impotently shakes fist*
The implication being, I take it, that if one is not impressed by this awful, awful show and its depressing parade of mediocrity, then one is not “down with the kids.”
That’s a bit depressing.
NOTE TO SELF:
Need to get hip somehow, and fast…
Weird implication for Pop to make about such a flacid, pedestrian form of entertainment. But then I’m not totally convinced that Pop reads the comments he replies to.
felix in the house!
High five, brother!
Good day kind sir.
No, but your constant complaining about it like, to paraphrase Leviticus, a dog returning to it’s own vomit, does mark you out as one of those cartoonish old farts with too much time on their hands and who likes easy targets to moan about.
lol @ dog vomit reference. But Moz has to keep returning. He sniffs the vomit so you don’t have to 😉
that is funny felix. still “there is something rotten in the beehive”.
LIARS OF OUR TIME
No. 16: Phil Kafcaloudes
“The Opposition leader Tony Abbott, who hasn’t made any mistakes over the past eighteen months…”
—-Phil Kafcaloudes, Radio NZ National Australian correspondent, 8:59 a.m., Friday 31 May 2013
See also….
No. 15: Donald Rumsfeld: “I did not lie… Colin Powell did not lie.”
No. 14: Colin Powell: “a post-9/11 nexus between Iraq and terrorist organizations…connections are now emerging…”
No.13: Barack Obama: “Simply put, these strikes have saved lives.”
No. 12: U.K. Ministry of Defence: “Protecting the Afghan civilian population is one of ISAF and the UK’s top priorities.”
No. 11: Brendan O’Connor: “Australia’s approach to refugees is compassionate and generous.”
No. 10: Boris Johnson: “Londoners have… the best police in the world to look after us and keep us safe.”
No. 9: NewstalkZB PR dept: “News you NEED! Fast, fair, accurate!”
No. 8: Simon Bridges: “I don’t mean to duck the question”
No. 7: Nigel Morrison: “Quite frankly, they’ve been VERY tough.”
/open-mike-15052013/#comment-633295
No. 6: NZ Herald PR dept: “Congratulations—you’re reading New Zealand’s best newspaper.”
No. 5: Rawdon Christie: “…a FORMIDABLE replacement, it seems, is Claudette Hauiti.” /open-mike-13052013/#comment-632594
No. 4: Willie and J.T.: “The X-Factor. Nah, nah, there’s some GREAT talent there!”
No. 3: John Key: “Yeah we hold MPs to a higher standard.”
No. 2: Colin Craig: “Oh, I have a GREAT sense of humour.”
No. 1: Barack Obama: “Margaret Thatcher was one of the great champions of freedom and liberty.”
This week’s KAL’s cartoon http://t.co/bMa9AbwDps
I guess it is part of the necessary training for leaders to practise keeping a straight face or at least smile at hypocrisy.
From the office of the Race Relations Commissioner:
Racism is OK as no long as no property gets damaged.
To get her to act against the Jim Crow humour of Nisbet. Susan Devoy says People will have to riot.
She should be charged with inciting.
Let hope it never comes to that.
I thought the whole point of having a Race Relations Commissioner was to prevent things getting to that stage.
Going by this logic, there could be protests in every street of the country against her lack of action against racism. But unless, at least one of these protests degenerated into a riot, Susan Devoy will not act.
Susan Devoy has turned the whole concept of Race Relations Commissioner on its head.
“But unless, at least one of these protests degenerated into a riot, Susan Devoy will not act.”
I’m not sure what you expect Dame Susan of Squash to do exactly. The Race Relations Commissioner has no powers to do anything except tut tut and give the occasional moue of distaste. You should be moaning about the Human Rights Tribunal.
Sort of, yeah – that’s the job. And she won’t do it.
Heard a clip of Dunne last night on the radio, saying they’d had 60 brand new membership applications for United Future after news of their de-registration broke.
Sounds like they won’t be de-registered for long.
… probably Nats in Ohariu.
So that would bring them up to 62 once you count in Pete George and Peter Dunne?
Yeah, almost worth while doing the dodgy name/address/age thing that the Nats did on the asset sale referendum. The embarrassment of being rejected again…
But remember, as Lyn frequently reminds me :- a vote for united future is a vote for Peter Dunne’s hairpiece…
That is one piece of bouf that simply won’t lie down
Susan Woods calls it again in one of those off the cuff comments
Today on Q+A the panel discussing the “Right’s” candidate in upcoming Auckland election needs to be a high profile figure, to which her contribution was if only Paul Holmes …
And of course that raises another issue.
The question of Shane Taurima being able to return to political broadcasting given that he has now attempted to become a Labour member of parliament.
It would seem that it is alright for the right to have their stooges in broadcasting, but the left not.
As in the case of the contemptibly hectoring bully-rightist Paul Henry. Who prior to his fabulously paid obscenity gigs on New Zealand television unsuccessfully stood for National in the Wairarapa electorate against Labour’s Georgina Beyer.
On a slightly tangential tack I still laugh when I recall the reported heads-in-hands despair at National Party headquarters when on the Thursday prior to the Saturday election Paullie came out with this howler – ” At least I’m a real man……! ”
Such licence so deceptively deployed Paullie !
Paul Henry – just like a real man, but smaller. In mind, heart, body, and soul.
http://www.thepoliticalscientist.org/?p=1325#more-1325
Puddleglum on poverty. Highly recommended.
I’ve just finished ‘The ‘Chavs’ and ‘Deer Hunting with Jesus’, Puddleglum, and I’m looking forward to your book 🙂
justsaying
Listening to the cliched arguments about the poor and beneficiaries that seem to garner such popular support, it’s hard not to despair. How did hard-hearted cliche come to be so popular? How has this mythology about the causes of poverty arisen?
It appears that the whole fabric of our understanding of our values, of NZs attitudes of goodwill to their countrymen and women and love of egalitarianism, along with our happy Maori and good interracial relationships, is a fog of camouflage that hid the fact that this was a minority belief. It’s heart rending to realise that many NZs particularly among st the older age group, don’t care to retain those values that we thought we held firmly.
Puddleglum is deep.
Chicago Mayor has sold the rights to the city’s parking for 75 years for $1 billion lump payment. There is no free parking in weekends, problems about disabled, and threats of suing the Council for loss of potential profit if some parking meters not operating. The city is bound by the contract to pay up large amounts over the years to this parking owner.
What the hell. How can we let these temporary caretaker politicians destroy our living standards, rob us of our amenities for their own purposes. And you can bet there was something in it for the Mayor and his mates even if there was a few million sprinkled here and there on city projects.
Perhaps the piece below answers my question. Mayor Daley has got up daily without fear of much scrutiny or bad reaction by the public. I hate that saying that we get the outcomes that we deserve because of our laxness but it seems to apply. We shouldn’t have to be alert watchdogs preparing to have a bite worse than our bark but it seems if we aren’t we won’t have anything in our yard left to protect.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/features-cover-april-9-2009/Content?oid=1098561
The origins of the meter debacle actually date back to 2005, when Mayor Daley began selling off public property for up-front cash payments without much scrutiny from the City Council or the public. Then last year, when tax revenues plummeted, the mayor increased the pressure, directing his staff to be “creative” in attacking budget problems. But even as city officials celebrated privatization agreements for Midway Airport and the meters, both worth billions of dollars, they refused to release the most basic information about how they’d been reached
Thanks for the link – it’s a shocker and a must read for anyone who is concerned about sale of public assets, or is a current supporter of such.
Good link Prism, thanks.
Witness the pressure raised on Christchurch to sell assets to part fund a re-built etc, and one example.
Councils around NZ are in debt, the country, is in debt – The books are closed, the assets already being positioned, and the trigger will be pulled by the ratings agencies!
Wrong. That’s exactly what we should be doing everyday and we need to be willing and able to remove the politicians that do make us worse off.
Selling off public revenue streams to private interests. Sounds about right.
edit – interesting that Mayor Rahm Emanuel was Democratic President Obama’s Chief of Staff. To be honest, the “left wing” in the USA is more like ACT on steroids.
The Obama administration has floated the possible sale of the Tennessee Valley Authority in its 2013/14 budget.
(Thought about putting this in the Lusk paper comments, but I can’t vouch for credibility only posting as something that may be interesting)
A red herring most likely, but reading Lusk’s paper made me recall a notice sent round the homeschooling loops a few years back (2009) – which I quickly deleted – we tend to get a lot of irrelevant messages.
So I googled and came up with this: Cult Education page from the US which looked familiar, and seems to be the one that I had received:
I’m writing to you today to notify you that a group of aberrant evangelical Protestant Christian Reconstructionists plans an exodus from the United States to New Zealand in 2010, establishing themselves through the unsuspecting homeschooling community in NZ. I’m not sure how many Vision Forum affiliated families plan on following the family of the US born and reported NZ immigrant Geoffrey Botkin next year.
Reading it now, it strikes me that over the last couple of years I can think of at least two families that have moved over from the states that are incredibly right-wing, fundamentalist in their thinking (and I don’t get around much in the religious group of homeschoolers) and have heard of others causing difficulties in other homeschooling support groups.
Geoff Botkin boasts plans to have his son, now in his 20s, elected as the Prime Minister of NZ when he his 57. To be honest, read that with the same degree of WTF that I read the rest.
In conjunction with this, I also recently complained to our National Council for allowing religious messages Creating a God-Centred family – workshop by to be sent via the secular NCHENZ message loop.
Decided to give the two seconds required to google the advertised speakers with Geoff Botkin mentioned above, and they seem to be well acquainted.
In summary:
– a message on the homeschool loops in 2009 which was tl;dr
– recalled that message after reading Lusks amateur leaked documents
– was able to google that message and read again, which now sounds more credible given some of the recent US families that have moved to NZ, and the workshops that have been offered by the christian support groups in the last couple of years
– found links between the person named in the original (2009) email and those currently doing the rounds within the christian homeschooling groups.
If any of the original email is true, then imagine if this group aligns with funding a hard-right wing conservative government. The families I have had direct contact with seemed to be middle class, but would also be quite likely to give a significant portion of their income to their church (which may end up including a political lobby group).
…as mentioned, only posting due to a series of “coincidental clicks”… but does make me wish that there was a group left-wing, secular homeschoolers planning to move here to even out the playing field.
Apart from the obvious typos – missed the link to the speakers:
Building a God centred family
With the frightful anti-science accelerated christian education (A.C.E.) curriculum being used here I’d say they’ve already got their foothold.
Yes, was scared off a introductory visit to a homeschool support group many years ago when they trotted out an ACE curriculum (ie. left halfway through with another equally appalled attendee and went to coffee, made a good friend)
However, know a few moderate Christians that use the ACE curriculum, primarily because homeschoolers don’t have access to the Min of Ed resources or the NZ curriculum and ACE qualifications were accepted as Tertiary entry requirements.
There does however, seem to have been a recent increase in REALLY fundamental, hard-right conservatives.
So what are the Charter schools going to achieve Molly? Maybe those “aberrant evangelical Protestant Christian Reconstructionists” have an avenue for spreading the word.
Personally, I’m completely against charter schools – they seem to have a tendency to increase the inequality in education that already exists.
However, homeschoolers in the US have used them to access state funding and if the structure proposed here is the same, then you may have state funding being used to promote really radical ideas and religious beliefs… one of many reasons I’m really disappointed that this flawed idea is going ahead.
Ouch!
The wording was a bit confusing to me as well. Not knowing any particulars about this Geoff Botkin, I can’t quite figure out if Botkin is hoping his son becomes PM when Botkin is 57 or when his son turns 57.
Going by the above quote referencing his aspirations for his son, I have a hunch that Mr Botkin isn’t quite up to speed on how parliament works.
Yes, WTF is still my primary response re Geoff Botkin’s aspirations for his son, but I am also mindful that I have the same response when considering our current PM.
I work in an op shop and have been surprised at some of the religious centred literature that we have received from time to time – it seems to be sourced from USA. One book set out to educate about financial matters which fits into the ‘prosperity’ religion approach thatis quite strong there and is a perversion of real Christianity.
The prosperity church movement is attractive to many aspirational people, and a very good business proposition for the leaders as religious groups don’t have to pay tax,. Those at the top can accumulate assets quickly and use their example of receiving goodies to encourage followers who are told they will receive wealth if they act in line with God’s (the church’s) directions. Note Sanitarium and also note Destiny but also the plethora of churches apart from the traditional ones.
There is an odious movement in the USA that is built around male superiority and ultimate decision making. The women in it seem to glory in a sado-masochistic approach of apparent worship of their husbands and practising utter obedience to their every word.
In true Christianity this would be idolatory and worshipping a false god.
There is a movement here along similar lines… was tempted to join a discussion with some women at the pools, who were talking about books. After listening a while longer, I realised the book that had them all raving had an odious title along the lines of “Dominant Husband, Submissive Wife”. Not my idea of a good book club read.
Also along this theme, the last election prompted an unprecented wave of unsolicited emails through some homeschool loops asking everyone to support Colin Craig, by votes, volunteers and financial donations. Most loops are self-moderated and are usually just about events, activities and resources. Spent a lot of time sending out cease and desist emails at that time.
I am not into Twitter, but occasionally check out one or two.
Oh, look – Pete George is still around and now commenting on Judith Collins’ Twitter. This conversation mentions a number of authors/commenters on TS – eg Eddie, MS
https://mobile.twitter.com/JudithCollinsMP/status/340752044371632129?p=v
Amusing. I really don’t know why they bother. But I guess that Pete George is just stroking Judith Collins now that his last party has kind of disintegrated. Must need a soapbox.
That’s an image that will haunt my nightmares until death’s sweet release.
If the truth of anything were to be determined by “Pete George once alleged it and no one thought he was important enough to contradict”, oh what a world we would live in. Pete George probably wouldn’t be permitted internet access, for a start …
http://www.iclei.org/our-members/iclei-members.html
http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/APCITY/UNPAN007078.pdf
A Pure Wind blew into New Zealand this morning
Christopher Hill interviewed by Chris Laidlaw
Radio NZ National, Sunday 2 June 2013
Christopher Hill is the kind of smooth-talking reptile who is indispensable to aggressive regimes like the United States: he puts a pleasant face on what are all too often criminal and unspeakable policies. This morning, interviewed by a respectful Chris Laidlaw, the former U.S. ambassador and “troubleshooter” spoke in the same soothing, comforting tones throughout. He spoke of going out to dinner with Serbian, Chinese and North Korean negotiators; he was keen to remind us that they have their human side, even if they are always wary. Hill is the epitome of Beltway smoothness, the ultimate schmoozing government insider, the very embodiment of a velvet-voiced diplomat.
It’s all a front though. Underneath the calm voice, Christopher Hill is actually as hardline, and as doctrinaire as any frothing neocon.
Hill is infamous for calling the New Zealand Nuclear-Free legislation a “relic”, and “something we needed to get over.” Chris Laidlaw actually raised this subject with him but, disappointingly, did not challenge him. In the end, Laidlaw might as well have not even broached the subject; Hill used it as an opportunity to speak nonsensical fluff for several minutes, thereby killing off the original point. It’s the oldest political trick of them all, and Laidlaw should have been alert to it. Instead, he laughed along meekly; it was almost as abject a failure as Paul Holmes’ moronic 2005 “interview” with the British war criminal Alistair Campbell.
To make things worse, Hill spoke with apparent warmth and enthusiasm about the New Zealand Provincial Reconstruction Team and the “deeds they have done in Afghanistan.” Now, it is possible that Christopher Hill might be completely ignorant of the scandal and opprobrium that has swirled around the New Zealand PRT, including their possible involvement in the illegal capture, torture and summary execution of Afghani civilians and resistance fighters. Frankly, however, I think he would know all about this, and was simply spouting empty rhetoric.
Instead of challenging him, Laidlaw simply heaped on more praise of his guest, saying “Richard Holbrooke described you as brilliant, fearless and argumentative.”
Hill laughs engagingly at this. He says he does not care for “finger-wagging”. It’s just not his style. It was people like Christopher Hill that George Orwell had in mind when he wrote that political language is “designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
I think Chris Laidlaw was aware that he was being snowed by an expert, bullshitted by the biggest, smoothest bullshitter of them all. But it is no doubt difficult to get into a serious mode of questioning against such an ostensibly pleasant fellow as Christopher Hill. Still, here’s hoping that, one of these days, Christopher Hill will be grilled by somebody in the same way that Kim Hill grilled the former Australian prime minister John Howard.
In the meantime, though, a doleful, discombobulated Chris Laidlaw closed off this epic exercise in diplomatic deception in the following defeated fashion: “That was Christopher Hill, the non-finger-wagger. He’s the dean of the Josef Korbel School of International Studies in Denver, Colorado. Here’s Fleetwood Mac…”
That’s a lot of axe grinding. Glass of lemonade?
That’s a lot of axe grinding.
Actually, it didn’t take me too long. I type with the speed and facility of a woman, thanks to my Commercial College course many years ago.
Glass of lemonade?
Thanks, buddy! Do you have any Pimms?
“I type with the speed and facility of a woman…”
Oy vey! Must be those little hands…. #sexistmuch?
I think it’s sexual descrimination against men; male typists can match the “speed and facility” of any woman /sarc
Hmm, I have very small hands for a man – only 1 person I’ve found with smaller hands was a woman. My avg WPM is about 80-90 and top speed about 115. Not sure if the small hands help or hinder me.
For the record, it was an allusion to Lockwood Smith on the subject of immigrant labour. I manage about 125 wpm. If gender had anything to do with it, one must be typing with entirely the wrong appendage.
Ho Ho some fast typists here. What accuracy do you achieve though? The editing of some of the blogs here is often lose (loose).
Ho Ho some fast typists here. What accuracy do you achieve though?
Well, I for one am as accurate as any woman.
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….. (Was it WRONG to say that?)
Are you permanently trapped in an episode of “Mad Men” or something?
For the record, it was an allusion to Lockwood Smith on the subject of immigrant labour.
I got it, my friend. I appreciate the breadth and depth of your knowledge, which enables you to employ such witty allusions at the drop of a hat.
…one must be typing with entirely the wrong appendage.
Hmmmm…. I have long had the impression that “one” has been indulging in the practice known in vulgar circles as “one-handed typing”.
I’m afraid not, Morrissey, you simply don’t turn me on
I’m afraid not, Morrissey, you simply don’t turn me on
More dishonesty.
Are you John Banks, perchance?
Your taxpayer money at work.
Underpaid and understaffed and run for profit, Public Private Partnerships in the health system.
While in the care of private health provider, Spectrum. An autistic boy, in what can only be a deliberate assault, has his testicles kicked in…..
He spends 10 days in hospital and has one testicle amputated. No one is charged, no one is held accountable.
Young male autistic boys often masturbate continuously and publicly, which undoubted, can be very trying and even upsetting for their carers. One of his care givers is guilty of this vicious assault.
None of the caregivers at the Spectrum care home have been stood down, and are all still in charge of handicapped young people. The Spectrum staff at this South Auckland community care home, could not have been unaware of the assault and probably also know the identity of the perpetrator, but have kept their silence.
In cases like this, where the victim cannot speak for themselves and the perpetrator remains unidentified. At the very least those responsible for his immediate care should all be suspended from their posts and made to do anger management courses at their employer’s expense.
This is the third case of abuse of intellectually handicapped people in community care homes in as many weeks.
We the public and the families of those being abused and the victims themselves deserve better.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8746750/Autistic-boys-testicle-shattered
Will something be done?
No, nothing will happen, and the abuse will continue.
Serco who run our prisons in a similar ppp scheme. Have their funding cut every time a prisoner escapes, whatever the circumstances. Spectrum and the other ppp providers for the intellectually handicapped, should have their funding cut every time one of these assaults happens in their care homes.
Maybe then, something would be done.
Nothing will be done until services are brought back in house until then MOH and ministers will wipe their hands clean blame the contractor and it goes around and nothing happens. The state ducks out and contractor passes the buck, person with disability loses.
A disability services agency should be created we need move on from health & disability being one and the same thing because most people with disabilities including myself are not sick. Also most disability services have no medical aspect to them anyway. To run and/or manage them it’s the only serious way to even say you put the person with the disability first and who knows maybe more carers might treat their clients as human rather than “it” that I’ve heard come out of some people’s mouths.
The Greens’ policy on school nurses sounds very promising. It’s directly aimed at improving quality of life, is a fence at the top of the cliff rather than an ambulance at the bottom of it, and will ensure better educational outcomes through healthier kids. It would probably save money in the long run. I really can’t imagine how an adequate argument can be marshalled against it.
Yes there is pete. The $30 mil cost would have to be taken off the gift to Private Schools, and that will not do!
Not to mention the other direct funding of private schools through Aspire Scholarships – a policy introduced by ACT in 2009 and still on offer.
From recollection $5m a year….but I can’t seem to find it online. Am drawing on memory ofan educational lecture I attended with Roger Douglas and Heather Roy at MacLeans college a couple of years ago.
Update: Found a reference Budget 2009 allocated $2.6 million to these scholarships, but was mentioned at the time that this would increase to $5m.
Thanks Molly – keeping track of these little sweeteners that are sort of passed in anonymous plain brown files is important.
True, i have this to say about ‘parental responsibility’, taxation of WINZ benefits, directly cutting monies from WINZ benefits, disallowing WINZ beneficiaries with children to access working for Families payments,
Those are but 3 things that past Governments have achieved which directly ATTACK the ability of parents to carry out and achieve such ‘parental responsibility’,
i can add others as most readers here can as well, the 2008 tax switch and the move to further casualalise the workforce into part time employment being a couple more,
‘Parental responsibility’ and the ability to carry out such a function continually under attack by successive Governments simply reduces parental ability to perform such a function,
Yes to breakfast and lunch in schools, Yes to having health nurses and social workers attached to schools, and Yes to providing gumboots and coats in winter to any kid in school that shows up without one,
And when all is said and done it has to be YES to the provision of after-school meals and extra teachers to help with the kids that don’t get help with the home-work at home,
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/04/03/homework-sux-2/
They don’t need help with homework because there shouldn’t be any at all.
Enniskillen the new Potemkin why fact is always better then fiction
http://www.theworld.org/2013/05/northern-ireland-town-fakes-prosperity-for-g8-summit/
Can’t let the financial and political royalty see the true sorry state of the nations and the people that they are “leading”
Isn’t that what was supposedly done for one of the great communist leaders last century? I seem to recall a RWNJ or two mentioning it.
The parallels between the USA/western allies (who “won”) and the F-USSR (who “lost) are growing all the time.
On another note, a friend of mine remarked that it looks like the Russians have won the space race with the USA through sheer bloody minded endurance – they can still send men into orbit, the USA cannot.
it looks like the Russians have won the space race .
Soon to have 3 major launch sites (it effectively through Soyuz runs the ESA launch platforms)
Why is so much energy being misdirected to “fix” the housing issue ?
As local councils, national politics both left & right muddy the waters by isolated fixes. All this does is create distortions that instead of improving the situation increase the magnitude of the problem, The Auckland Unitary Plan is already being reported as a cause for further increases in property values, adding to the problem.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887883
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10887864
A single fix is not the answer e.g. GGT A series of steps that are co ordinated are whats required, both at local and central level.
There is a growing concern being voiced over the increasing indebtness of NZ Inc and a growing frequency warning those to future proof their investments from increasing interest rates.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10887784
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10886890
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8746026/Mortgage-rates-tipped-to-top-7pc
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8739267/Low-interest-rates-a-trap
NZ is in urgent need of a mixture of measures to rebalance this. CGT, Taxation changes (especially in regard to Interest deductibility), town planning, housing construction to cater for the entire spectrum, state housing stock, to name a few.