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6:00 am, December 4th, 2023 - 52 comments
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Open mike is your post.
For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.
The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy).
Step up to the mike …
Folks here collectively covered a significant performance lapse by the Nats yesterday. The leader took it on the chin while the Bish doubled-down was what I saw of their handling of the discrepancy between 1 & 35. Went onto the RNZ site early this morning to see how the pros were framing it. Zilch. Oh well, let's see how Morning Report copes. Meanwhile, at the media interface…
"Hey Lux, how come you & Bish can't get facts from the govt website?"
"Well my minder reckons you're meant to blame a junior staffer at moments like this. Seems clever, eh? Must've been temporarily out to lunch. Lot of mental health issues around you know, can't expect us to be exempt."
RNZ has now got it up & running: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/503865/christopher-luxon-tells-team-to-fact-check-claims-after-tobacco-outlet-mistake
He's quite right, he has actually said that. RNZ has quoted him saying so. It must, therefore, be true.
A nifty dodge. Evidence of anything is often elusive. Best not to claim having noticed any because someone might check & it may have drifted away in the interim.
Floating the notion that Labour may have had a guaranteed model is an adept touch: models are so rarely guaranteed that I've never encountered one that is. If you do, read the fine print on that guarantee extremely carefully!
Not a happy camper, old Gary:
Gary Taylor CNZM QSO is Chief Executive of the Environmental Defence Society and has worked with successive governments since 1980. https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/12/01/new-government-crashes-environment/
He does a succinct policy review then fronts this triad:
The EDS has an extensive bluegreen track record & he's been driving it a long time. Centrist disquiet must be spreading, you'd think. Already.
“I am aware of the fact that workers pay agents in Vietnam to come here, but I personally have not received any money,” Kang said."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/immigration/133343933/migrants-left-with-no-work-struggle-with-mountain-of-debt-and-no-hope-of-paying-it-off
The face of modern slavery….what do we say about foreign realms that exploit migrants?
Immigration NZ is a disgrace….as are the politicians who turn a blind eye to such.
Covid has highlighted how much to many NZ businesses don't have a real business.
Too many rely on underpaid and exploited workers, especially those on temporary visas.
Yep. It's shameful and it's been going on for far too long.
Treading very carefully here …. I'm just wondering how that, er, gentleman was able to be a candidate for Te Pāti Māori.
The Maori Party is not immune to less than desirable candidates.
All of parliament need to have a long hard look at themselves and consider what they are allowing in our name.
It wasn't actually his character I was puzzled about …. if you know what I mean.
I hope this bastard gets everything in the book thrown at him:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/503866/te-whatu-ora-vaccination-data-leak-a-devastating-breach-of-trust
The time has come when this sort of behaviour is treated as a serious crime. No more the soft touch treatment because it doesn't work with these types. They have messed up heads and capable of causing irreparable harm to many people – not to mention the lives potentially lost through their crack-pot claims.
Me too Anne.
Ditto, Anne
Have you seen Liz Gunn in action?
I'm guessing this is the same issue.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/hvaoHtr1s2G5QurJ/
https://www.facebook.com/mariaaazeee/videos/6860216620732519
I guessed he had been 'encouraged' to do what he did. So, when are the police going to surround Ms Gunn's house? Its poppycock of course because the media would have been on to it if it were true.
This guy: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019611/health-worker-arrested-after-allegedly-misusing-data-to-spread-vaccine-misinformation
Please don’t link to anything Liz Gunn has to say, it’s been a long hard year, and they seem to get harder as the years go by.
But anything that she says, reinforces that the people are becoming more stupid with each passing year.
I’m going to listen to Xmas music and get the little kids to put up my Xmas tree and check out for the rest of the year
I can’t take anymore crazy
My apologies to you, Terry – rest assured, I won't.
Listening to Christmas music though; will that help?
Some of those songs drive me round the bend!
You could start a fashion trend: customised ear-muffs. Essential cultural protection for any shopper at this time of year. Best not to incorporate the tinfoil hat design – you'll attract a plethora of unwanted new friends…
My fave hate is the Jose Feliciano one, in which he seems to have set out to prove he can't sing and makes a compelling proof out of the performance…
Noise-cancelling, anti-Xmas head-phones.
The Pogues, "Fairy Tale of New York" is going to get a thrashing this time round!
I think this is the guy, sounds Irish. Check out the interviewer, not to mention the tweeter:
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1730230555000574003
Looks like there might be more than one arrest. Is incitement to commit a crime an unlawful offence?
Yes. Muttonbird. It is the one. Nutty as a fruitcake.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.html
Love the "FREEEEDUMB" cry as he left…cliched cooker to the point of hilarity!
+1 Anne.
Elderly couple may lose their home due to Council charging affected ratepayers $48k for a new sewerage scheme to protect Lake Tarawera. The lake must be protected of course, but this is a consequence of how the work is funded.
Fast forward to the cost of repairing future climate change-induced damage, and expect to see this problem writ large. The young will be (already are) unable to afford homes, while the elderly will be unable to retain them. Who will end up owning them all?
Nothing to do with climate change.
Everything to do with large scale septic tank use destroying a massive ecosystem over multiple decades.
Instead of facing up to their own environmental damage over decades, they have to pay the bill now in a lump.
Time to pay their bill.
I went to tarawera once over a holiday period, the money on display was stunning, they can afford it.
who let the septic tanks run there for so long?
And you can bet the price of this particular example won't stop at $29 million, either. Pay $48,000 in a lump now, and expect further levies "to meet unforeseen costs", or opt for instalments which will increase relentlessly and substantially over that ten-year period? What a bloody choice.
And anyway, why are only those 450 current residents being expected to meet three-quarters of the overall expense? The benefits of an unpolluted lake are going to be shared by a great many more people than that, and over the course of generations to come as well. User pays, dammit!
A wee vision of the future in many parts of NZ as the costs of fixing 3 Waters comes home to householders rather than NZ Inc.
Nick Rockel's writing on Feeds is so good. So clever, original, humorous and topical.
I went for a look & you're quite right. He is a good writer making valid points well.
Unfashionable view, but I ain't gonna argue. Trouble is, Lux may not have had the Reader's Digest lying around constantly as he grew up. I lost count of how many times I read "Honesty is the best policy" as a child. Zillions.
Enjoy Nick's writings. Have the feeling that he speaks for we the people where as Luxon/Bishop are talking to some other folk.
nickrockel@substack.com
Agreed Reality. Nick Rockel has become a great source of clarity and is an inspiring read, including the comments section.
True….and Nick's efforts are free….many of the links promoted by TS now seem to be paywalled or from right wing commentators.
He does take contributions, and many of us have donated extra subscriptions to allow others to read his pieces. He puts important ones in the "Free" section.
Like Gerard Otto he is a voice of reason on the Left. Cheers.
NZ wins global award:
3rd world wide story in a week of national being backward fuckwots!!
They are aligning with the power brokers… poor us.
I'm not a fan of hers but will give this the benefit of the doubt:
Why? She's staking out her position. In Labour, that is sufficiently deviant as to count as using your initiative. Takes courage, so a fair observer ought to give her credit. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/labour-s-new-revenue-spokesperson-deborah-russall-says-might-be-time-to-seriously-look-at-capital-gains-tax.html
Which is why I'll remain voting Green.
“Unknown”, “complicated” – real sophisticated argument. It’s called an apologetic on behalf of those with established wealth via high value property. Most counties with a CGT (35/36 in the OECD) also have an estate tax (24/36).
The weakness of a CGT on CG not related to property covered by the bright-line test is that it can become a tax on the productive sector – we want people buying share issues to assist the real economy.
The bright-line test and the restriction of the mortgage cost deduction to new builds were of a design to re-direct investment to productive use.
And her reference to a study in 2016 – before Labour brought in the 5 year and then 2 bright-line test. The bright-line test in place by 2016 was one at 10 years and had brought in no revenue at that time.
Back in 1983 Douglas argued a preference for an assets tax to a CGT and in the end did neither (and with a deduction for mortgage cost against taxable rent income in place) . Thus set up a generation of borrowing (floating the dollar allowed more money inflow) to speculate on rising property values.
A CGT also incentivises government with revenue gain from a rise in property values, rather than focus on affordability of housing.
And landlords just avoid the tax by adding more property to their stock without selling any. Becoming wealthier and wealthier without any tax liability.
"She said she believed wealth taxes "are largely unknown" and it would be "complicated to explain it to people"."
Somewhat disingenuous….there is nothing more complicated about 'explaining' a wealth tax as opposed to a CGT…..but it may be hard to explain that you wont implement one because you fear capital flight.
There are around 5 countries with a wealth tax and 130 odd with a CGT.
Whatever proposal they end up with is sure to provide plenty of loopholes in any case as in a world of free capital movement the fear of capital flight governs them all…..governments no longer control their economies, they merely manage them for the international financiers.
Yet 24/36 OECD nations have an estate tax – based on the same asset taxation as a wealth tax.
Most of a our wealth tax would be on property. That capital could only be moved with sale (and we do not allow offshore ownership).
So you're advocating capital controls?….that is agin the free movement of capital which is one of the underpinnings of the neolib (Washington) consensus.
You're in or you're out.
And we dont allow offshore ownership of 'residential property' under some circumstances….lots of loopholes.
Luxon & Willis are just finishing their press conference. He was reassuring on the bluegreen front & emphatic about helping Maori. They were doing a co-leader stance visually & verbally, dunno if they realised it though.
He's using this triad:
That design will secure traction. That's because 3 in nature creates process (in physics action = energy x time). When a 4th element blends in (structure) we get systems.
All would be governments have three year plans – including coalitions.
The three year plan to build roads and drive on them … go GL go.
I agree with Deborah Russell, a CGT would be much easier, a wealth tax would mean a huge leap in the number of bloody Tax Accountants and they would charge more than the WT would bring in. The key is that the simpler the system the better. Wealth is more easily hidden, CG not so much.
And a tax when the income is recieved is much more palatable. Capital gains and inheritance.
Should be set at a level that doesn't capture assets under the value of a normal "Family home in Auckland"?
A wealth tax brings in more money and at a more regular level than CGT.
Tax accountants only charge those who hire, they are not a cost on government
Those who think CGT are easier and worth it – well the easiest part is on rental property, and we have already had that via the bright-line test.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/488745/tax-specialists-warn-over-intricacies-of-capital-gains-tax