Open mike 07/04/2025

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  1. gsays 1
    7 April 2025 at 7:00 am

    Near the end of the Trump Schadenfruede post, there was this- "The global left has a great chance to first enjoy “told you so world”, and secondly rebuild its voter support."

    The second part of that sentence is the most important. Othering is almost anti-left and it doesn't serve either group well. Instead we need to put that precious attention into imagining, planning and communicating the alternative. Make it so attractive so it's irresistible to those that don't vote.

    The first $15,000 tax free?
    Abolish GST, replace with Wealth/Stamp duty/CGT?
    Time for some old fashioned protectionism?
    Invest in pharmaceutical companies here? Stop direct to customer marketing of pharmaceuticals (apart from NZ ones?).
    Living wage at least, paid to all workers who are contracted to the government?

    It's far better for our emotional and political health to focus on things that are within our control. Every time Trump is in our thoughts and words, Luxon, Seymour, Peters and their motley crews thank you.

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    • Tiger Mountain 1.1
      7 April 2025 at 7:46 am

      The biggie in my view, and a couple of other regular posters is–return power generation and supply to full public ownership. Compensation for the gentailers if they go quietly. The artificially created power and lines market has just been a money spinner for private enterprise with inadequate reinvestment made by them in maintenance, infrastructure and new sustainable power sources.

      Power prices have been hiked 10% just in time for winter. National super annuitants get a heating payment from May to October, filthy beneficiaries of course nothing.

      Cheaper, sustainable power under Govt. and community control would be a vote winner.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/public-majority-slams-govt-for-lack-of-action-on-electricity-prices-in-new-poll/BZEQ3RIC7VEDDOAQJOI6KGE3NQ/#google_vignette

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      • Phillip ure 1.1.1
        7 April 2025 at 8:01 am

        Any serious reform must see the minimum wage become the living wage…

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        • Ad 1.1.1.1
          7 April 2025 at 8:15 am

          I'm guessing you would have seen that Willis is stripping Living Wage requirements out of all government contracts?

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          • KJT 1.1.1.1.1
            7 April 2025 at 8:36 am

            So much for their pre-election promise of "higher wages for New Zealanders".

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            • satty 1.1.1.1.1.1
              7 April 2025 at 8:49 am

              Many years ago, Bill English wanted "the wages to drop" and I do believe National & ACT still prefer lowering minimum and living wages (inflation adjusted).

              However, overall "higher wages for New Zealanders" is still possible… if you look at the "average NZ wage", for example pay the CEOs and other top management 10 times more and you will increase the average.

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              • alwyn …
                7 April 2025 at 6:52 pm

                You give your claimed comment by Bill English as being a direct quote,

                Can you please provide evidence for what you say he said?

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                • Drowsy M. Kram …
                  7 April 2025 at 8:20 pm

                  English might have been channelling John ‘Close the Wage Gap’ Key wink

                  John Key’s plan to cut your pay [The Standard, 20 Feb 2008]
                  “We would love to see wages drop,” he [John Key] says.

                  English: gap with Aussie good [The Standard, 9 April 2011]
                  Here’s English on what he now says are New Zealand’s economic advantages over Australia:
                  “One is the wage differential. We have a workforce that is better educated, just as productive and 30 per cent cheaper.”

                  What the youth exodus means for New Zealand [18 Feb 2025]

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                  • alwyn …
                    9 April 2025 at 9:40 am

                    So Bill never said this?

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                    • Drowsy M. Kram …
                      9 April 2025 at 11:01 am

                      Don’t know if Bill has ever uttered the words “the wages to drop” – maybe you could enlighten us.

                      Anyhoo, what we do know is that in 2011 our then Minister of Finance considered a “30 per cent” wage gap with Australia to be advantageous.

      • gsays 1.1.2
        7 April 2025 at 8:34 am

        That's what I am getting at T.M.

        It is a vote winner. Those that have a share portfolio aren't suddenly going to change their vote but it will encourage those that don't vote to partake.

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      • PsyclingLeft.Always 1.1.3
        7 April 2025 at 8:45 am

        Aye TM. I have said similar for many years. Who in the Left opposition is listening ?

        Here are some of the existing problems….

        Why the Meridian Energy hydro dam spilling scandal shows it’s time to democratise our energy

        https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/story/why-the-meridian-energy-hydro-spilling-scandal-shows-its-time-to-democratise-our-energy/

        Power play: is the electricity market delivering fair prices?

        https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/spilling-water-is-our-electricity-market-broken

        Power companies 'failed' to plan ahead – economist

        The salient point…

        Economist Geoff Bertram told RNZ that a key issue was that many electricity companies were too focussed on making money.

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/526620/power-companies-failed-to-plan-ahead-economist

        Greenpeace with some experts on how to change the broken system.

        Greenpeace LIVE: Two energy futures, with Geoff Bertram, Stephen Poletti and Russel Norman

        https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/video/greenpeace-live-two-energy-futures/

        And the Greens with their Future Energy Vision….

        https://www.greens.org.nz/energy_policy

        We cannot continue the way we are. Democratise NZ Energy !

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      • Kay 1.1.4
        7 April 2025 at 9:07 am

        National super annuitants get a heating payment from May to October, filthy beneficiaries of course nothing.

        Beneficiaries DO (still) get the Winter energy payment.

        https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/winter-energy-payment.html#:~:text=You%20must%20be%20getting%20a,on%201%20October%20every%20year.

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      • Ad 1.1.5
        7 April 2025 at 9:38 am

        How much would renationalising the entire power generation industry cost?

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        • Sanctuary 1.1.5.1
          7 April 2025 at 9:47 am

          You would compensate shareholders with government bonds, that how they did it in the 1940s anyway.

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          • Ad 1.1.5.1.1
            7 April 2025 at 9:52 am

            Humour me.

            How much would that be?

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            • Bearded Git 1.1.5.1.1.1
              7 April 2025 at 10:05 am

              It would be much cheaper and practical to set up a state owned solar power company where most/all sites developed also had grid-linked battery storage attached.

              The battery storage would be less expensive than (and instead of) Lake Onslow.

              This would also give Labour credibility on the climate change issue.

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              • bwaghorn …
                7 April 2025 at 12:49 pm

                Na onslow type storage beats batteries every day once it's buil it last for ever ish, unlike bloody batteries

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              • gsays …
                7 April 2025 at 1:01 pm

                I'm all in favour if yr solar idea, start with schools, marae, council buildings and swimming pools.

                But… We also need to restructure the power system to reflect that it is a necessity for the public and that it is owned by the public.

                Not an investment vehicle for playing corporate games with.

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            • Barfly 1.1.5.1.1.2
              7 April 2025 at 11:00 am

              laugh well as we both know the answer is way too much. Perhaps an idea to look at is a new SOE maybe solar and battery or even the killed off Onslow project so that instead of prices being determined by the most expensive generation (coal?) peak demand is controlled by a storage solution – the batteries or Onslow hydro storage.

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              • Bearded Git …
                7 April 2025 at 12:42 pm

                The last estimate I heard for Onslow was $17 billion….these days you can buy a hell of a lot of solar panels and batteries for that kind of dosh.

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                • KJT …
                  7 April 2025 at 3:56 pm

                  Don't think any solar panels or batteries, bought now, will still be useful in 100 years.

                  Onslow was future proofing consumption smoothing.

                  Not something that power companies making a mint on spot pricing wants.

                  The other investment required is in drastically reducing end use of energy. Green buildings, rail, shipping, transport requirements, commuting.

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                • joe90 …
                  7 April 2025 at 6:23 pm

                  The last estimate I heard for Onslow was $17 billion….these days you can buy a hell of a lot of solar panels and batteries for that kind of dosh.

                  The proposed scheme was to store 5 billion kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity. Large scale battery storage costs range from $100 to $300 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). Do the sums.

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            • gsays 1.1.5.1.1.3
              7 April 2025 at 11:12 am

              Need not cost a thing.

              Renationalising is in the national interest. Help undo the inequities caused by rampant inequality.

              Shareholders by definition have surplus funds.

              A return is not guaranteed, there is risk in the 'market'.

              As has been pointed out, compensate with Govt. bonds.

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              • Ad …
                7 April 2025 at 12:58 pm

                How much in nz government bonds?

                Has renationalising all power generation been done anywhere similar so we can consider what might happen?

                We can do better than saying it's free and the government will fix it.

                We lost the last election trying to re-govern water.

                This lot are likely to lose from trying to implement re-governing health.

                Be consequential.

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                • gsays …
                  7 April 2025 at 1:02 pm

                  Do you have skin in the game?

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                • gsays …
                  7 April 2025 at 3:18 pm

                  "We lost the last election trying to re-govern water. "

                  Bad example, with 3 waters rightly or wrongly, the feeling was that something we owned was being taken.

                  Taking back the power companies is returning some that was taken from us.

                  I suspect your personal interests override concern for the less well off amongst us. Yr not alone there are plenty of 'left wing' landlords too.

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                  • weka …
                    7 April 2025 at 3:32 pm

                    I think Ad’s talking strategy, but I agree that 3 waters is a bad example. Labour botched it by imposing it without regard for the electorate instead of bringing people along. Likewise co-governance. Lefties might not be bothered by that approach but swing voters are.

                    It's also a failure of the neoliberal paradigm. Nationalising power is antithetical to neoliberalism, so it's hard to see how Labour could consider it the way things are now. But the conversation is important, and what I'd like to see if lefties develop more on the how. Both the practicalities and the politics. Use Ad's naysaying as a way of testing the ideas.

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                    • gsays …
                      7 April 2025 at 5:17 pm

                      Perhaps.

                      With Trump metaphorically tipping the table over it's the perfect time to implement politics with principles.

                      Bugger shareholders, signal now that it's time to exit the that market as the power is coming back to the people.

                    • weka []
                      7 April 2025 at 5:52 pm

                      How though? I’m not naysaying, I’m saying go further, work through the issues and talk about not just what could happen but how.

                      The shareholders are a shit load of NZers with a kiwisaver. Saying bugger the shareholders contradicts the power to the people messaging. If we want people to vote for system change we have to present a way out of neoliberal capitalism.

                    • gsays …
                      8 April 2025 at 7:09 am

                      As to how, that's where I am woefully out of my depth. There would be far brighter minds than mine with that know how.

                      We did it with KiwiRail, the government retrieving important infrastructure from private ownership. Perhaps that is a model to follow?

                      I figure part of the narrative is that the assets were paid for and built by our tipuna but they have been misused. (Way more paid in dividends than in reinvestment into generation or maintenance.)

                      I agree, I don't see the political courage or imagination in parliament to make that happen, but if we made enough noise…

                    • weka []
                      8 April 2025 at 8:24 am

                      my point here is that enough noise is insufficient. Why would the parliamentary parties move on this if there was no credible way to do it? I’m not saying there isn’t. It’s possible there are people out there who have started thinking about the how. Go find them and bring their ideas back here and see how the debate changes from ‘we should do this’ to ‘this is how we effect useful change’

                      Have the Transition Town people done work in this locally or internationally? What about WEALL?

                      If we want radical change, I think it’s the responsibility of extra-parliamentary groups to lead on this.

        • Craig H 1.1.5.2
          7 April 2025 at 2:55 pm

          The value of Genesis, Meridian and Mercury (the three mixed ownership power companies) in the Crown accounts is $24.3B and ~51% ownership as at 30 June 2024. Lazy maths say it would therefore cost approx. $23.4B to renationalise those back to 100%.

          Source – pp 174-176

          Not sure what else would be included in renationalisation.

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      • tc 1.1.6
        7 April 2025 at 11:10 am

        Piss easy to sell politically IMO.

        The latest national line charges hike reflects ongoing underinvestment by lines companies via their trustee troughs.

        I wouldn't compensate anyone, they've done more than well enough with the dividends not matched by profit.

        Settle at market share price, nationalise the lot. The largesse within that sector is staggering, returning to an NZED model would save shedloads p.a.

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    • SPC 1.2
      7 April 2025 at 11:33 am

      Our government system is in crisis, as to funding.

      We need a 20 year bright-line test on rental property, stamp duty (5% over $2M), and a wealth tax linked to estate tax and more (1% mortgage surcharge on landlord property – 10 year exemption for new builds) just to maintain government, as was developed in the 20thC.

      Based around the principles of the UN Declaration of Human Rights (right to health, housing, education, adequate income etc).

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      • Ad 1.2.1
        7 April 2025 at 1:20 pm

        Did the 10 year Bright Line Test significantly increase tax income to government?

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        • SPC 1.2.1.1
          7 April 2025 at 1:45 pm

          No, because it has never been in effect.

          EXPLAINER.

          It was only 2 years till 2017, then increased to 5.

          But the time frame was not retrospective.

          If you bought a property and sold it before 1 July 2024, you might have to pay tax on the profit if: you bought the property on or after 29 March 2018

          So given the changes made by the government elected in 2023, there has never been a 10 year bright-line test in effect.

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        • SPC 1.2.1.2
          7 April 2025 at 1:48 pm

          Treasury recommends a 20 year bright-line test.

          The Treasury recommends a 20-year bright-line test or longer. This would capture more capital gains, thereby improving the fairness of the tax system and supporting more sustainable house prices.

          page 2

          https://www.taxpolicy.ird.govt.nz/-/media/e3626e29ec114052880ef6d64b50beed.ashx?modified=20240314002444

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          • Bearded Git 1.2.1.2.1
            7 April 2025 at 6:35 pm

            That is amazing SPC. Labour should make a 20 year BLT policy for the next election immediately, citing Treasury advice.

            This should be in addition to a Wealth Tax.

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    • Drowsy M. Kram 1.3
      7 April 2025 at 11:55 am

      Every time Trump is in our thoughts and words, Luxon, Seymour, Peters and their motley crews thank you.

      yes Especially CLuxon. Did Key’s asset sales put "downward pressure" on power prices?

      Luxon Government takes Key-era approach to asset sales

      Who is correct: Christopher Luxon, who on 7 June 2022 said, "Privatisation is not a big philosophical driver for me at this point in time", or Simeon Brown when he said, "I'd like to see as much planned care—those elective surgeries—done by the private sector"?
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20250311_20250311

      Hundreds of Kāinga Ora jobs proposed to go in latest Govt attack on public housing [3 April 2025]
      "The Government has been deliberately catastrophising about Kāinga Ora’s finances to suit its privatisation agenda. It is simply setting up a far smaller Kāinga Orato fail.
      …
      "The Government has made a choice to cut taxes for landlords and turn its back on a successful organisation like Kāinga Ora which has a proud legacy of putting New Zealanders who need a helping hand into warm dry homes.

      Cuts to Disability Services Are Part of a Class War
      These cuts are part of a war on working class people across Aotearoa. The Coalition’s austerity approach is not confined to disability funding. Other areas that are affected include:

      • The health system, which is heaving under the pressure of fresh cuts in the wake of decades of underfunding;
      • The free lunch programme for low-income schools, which David Seymour has gutted;
      • State housing, which is being sold off at the exact moment that it has become “nearly impossible” to get into emergency housing thanks to government changes;
      • The welfare system, where the ‘traffic light’ benefit sanctions are driving the poorest people in Aotearoa into further hardship in the midst of a recession and rising unemployment.

      The list could go on. Higher rates of poverty, homelessness and inequality will be the enduring legacy of this class war.

      Annual % increase in the minimum wage for the last wee while:

      2015 – 3.5% (5th National (Key) government)
      2016 – 3.4%
      2017 – 3.3%
      2018 – 4.8% (6th Labour (Ardern) government)
      2019 – 7.3%
      2020 – 6.8%
      2021 – 5.8%
      2022 – 6.0%
      2023 – 7.1%
      2024 – 2.0% ('our' CoC govt)
      2025 – 1.5%

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  2. Dennis Frank 2
    7 April 2025 at 8:50 am

    Neolib cheerleader Chrises A&B doing their buddy-buddy routine in this nice photo: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/coalition-back-on-track-after-months-behind-labour/MCUS77CB7JENVPDI2TXXZY7EIQ/

    Chris B: "See this tie, mostly blue – the diagonal pattern is a mask to lull the leftists into a false sense of security. But hey, if I go full blue next week and shave my hair off they won't be able to tell us apart."

    Chris A: "Nah, won't work. Everyone knows you're banal & I'm venal. Huge difference – 2 whole letters of the alphabet."

    Chris B: "Intellectual stuff like that baffles me. I'll see if my minder can explain it."

    Meanwhile the Herald analyst reckons Chris B dropped Labour 4.3% because a Green MP made him do it:

    The change is mostly due to Labour falling 4.3 points to 29.8% after a difficult week in which Leader Chris Hipkins was forced to distance himself from the anti-Police comments of Green MP Tamatha Paul.

    Somehow I can't bring myself to believe that Labour supporters really are that fickle. Worse, woke worked Winston's wondrous whopping wow…

    Peters rose a massive 4.2 points to 12.8% – the first time he has polled over 8%… The poll was taken a week after NZ First leader Winston Peters tore strips of Labour in his State of the Nation speech and launched a renewed attack on all things “woke”.

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  3. PsyclingLeft.Always 3
    7 April 2025 at 8:58 am

    Ya gotta wonder … MLK was her go-to example!?

    Le Pen evokes spirit of Martin Luther King Jr. as supporters rally in Paris

    French far-right leader Marine Le Pen said on Sunday she would peacefully fight her five-year ban from running for office and draw inspiration from American civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., as thousands of people rallied in Paris to back her.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/557372/le-pen-evokes-spirit-of-martin-luther-king-jr-as-supporters-rally-in-paris

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  4. PsyclingLeft.Always 4
    7 April 2025 at 9:02 am

    And another WTAF…

    Government considers u-turn on baby formula rules after industry shift

    The government is considering signing up to Trans-Tasman rules on baby formula – after rejecting them amid industry lobbying.

    This potential policy shift follows a change of heart from formula companies, including major players Danone and The a2 Milk Company, who had previously campaigned against the standards.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557379/government-considers-u-turn-on-baby-formula-rules-after-industry-shift

    I had earler commented on ACT Minister Hoggard and his lack of awareness….

    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-05-04-2025/#comment-2030802

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  5. Ad 5
    7 April 2025 at 9:36 am

    Anyone tracking the antitrust lawsuit against Zuckerberg by the US Federal Trade Commission?

    Starts April 14.

    Sure hope Willis is taking notice, not just more talks and reports about our multiple oligopolies.

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  6. Hunter Thompson II 6
    7 April 2025 at 9:50 am

    The lunacy continues:

    "Trump administration orders half of national forests open for logging" (Stuff report, https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360642862/trump-administration-orders-half-national-forests-open-logging)

    US foresters have been told that they are entering “a new era”.

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    • Visubversa 6.1
      7 April 2025 at 10:00 am

      Well, with climate crisis resulting in more droughts and more forest fires, perhaps their "logic" is along the lines of "fell them before they burn".

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      • SPC 6.1.1
        7 April 2025 at 11:23 am

        The faster they fell them, the sooner the Atlantic current and AMOC system goes down. That will end global warming … in the northern hemisphere …

        The thing to watch is the elites supporting the capacity to have domed communities on the moon or Mars. This capacity is required for there to be survival centres in the case of a 10 degree cooling in the north.

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    • Bearded Git 6.2
      7 April 2025 at 12:51 pm

      Incredible….who needs landscape or carbon sinks?

      There is light at the end of the tunnel. After just 3 months of Trump in power people are marching in the streets.

      The mid term elections will be interesting.

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      • weka 6.2.1
        7 April 2025 at 12:58 pm

        Trump will be dead before they realise that the scifi rich pricks living in a biodome scenario doesn't work.

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      • Obtrectator 6.2.2
        7 April 2025 at 4:45 pm

        The mid term elections will be interesting.

        Only if they're actually allowed to take place in a free and fair manner – by no means a certainty, in my view.

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    • Belladonna 6.3
      7 April 2025 at 7:47 pm

      Better they log close to home – and see the effects, than import timber logged from poor countries, where they can pretend the effect doesn't exist.

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  7. Stephen D 7
    7 April 2025 at 1:01 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/06/the-white-working-class-is-nothing-like-what-politicians-think-or-claim-it-is

    Although very English, there are lessons for us here as well.

    "The Labour party, though, was always a coalition of working-class and middle-class voters. What has happened in the post-Thatcher era is a conscious refashioning of that coalition, jettisoning class politics, embracing neoliberal policies and promoting technocratic values. Labour MPs with working-class backgrounds have, as Budd notes, become rare, largely replaced by “political careerists” with a background “in thinktanks or as advisers”.

    Sections of the working class, feeling abandoned and voiceless, have themselves, over time, abandoned Labour, some gravitating towards the Tories and more recently towards Reform. It is difficult to see how you can address the issues Budd so adroitly raises without reclaiming some form of class politics. Not least because Winnick’s point that those who “act as the champions of the white person against immigrants” rarely “defend the interests of the white working class” is even more pertinent today than it was half a century ago. The left’s neglect of class politics has allowed parties such as Reform, whose policies, on topics from trade unions to welfare, are deeply regressive, to be able to portray themselves as championing working-class interests."

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  8. gsays 8
    7 April 2025 at 1:38 pm

    Reading Fungi of Aotearoa in the weekend it touched on how the mycorrzhial network is a big carbon sink.

    Regular tilling of the soil and certain sprays undo this good work.

    "Plants photosynthesize using sunlight and carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and convert them into energy. During that process, the plants fix carbon – turning it from its gaseous form into organic carbon compounds. The plants then use this carbon to build their structures. Flowers, leaves, stems – those are all made from organic carbon compounds"

    https://www.spun.earth/articles/carbon-paper

    Review of the book.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018889518/book-review-fungi-of-aotearoa-by-liv-sisson

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  9. Hunter Thompson II 9
    7 April 2025 at 3:13 pm

    I became interested in Trump's use of executive orders to implement his policies, as he seems to be acting like the US version of Joseph Stalin. Can't Congress rein him in?

    This note from a US law firm gives a few pointers: https://www.woodsrogers.com/insights/publications/5-facts-about-executive-orders-that-may-surprise-you

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    • Scud 9.1
      7 April 2025 at 3:57 pm

      Not really, as both houses are under control of the Republican Party & most of the Republican moderates are like possums trap between the Lights of a incoming MAGA Truck.

      The Best hope for everyone is the mid term elections atm?

      If that fails? Then we and most US citizens are Fucked!

      And what I mean "We" is the world feeling the effects of Trump's Tariffs/ American First & Trump's Foreign Policy's.

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  10. KJT 10
    7 April 2025 at 4:22 pm

    Opinion | Trump's Tariffs Are Extremely Dumb, Just Not For The Reasons You Might Think | Common Dreams

    “This is a con on a global scale. Trump is not rejecting the corporate trade model. He’s weaponizing it”.

    Trump’s mob will be rebating tariffs for countries that prioritise US rules. Such as corporate rights over countries internal policies.
    Seymours regulatory standards Bill, is an echo of the ultimate aim of Trumps puppet masters.

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  11. thinker 11
    7 April 2025 at 5:24 pm

    When a billboard that says "Vote Green" is deemed to be a billboard telling people not to vote Green.

    Now I've seen it all (I hope)…

    Billboards attacking Green MPs appear in Wellington and Auckland https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557433/billboards-attacking-green-mps-appear-in-wellington-and-auckland

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    • Bearded Git 11.1
      7 April 2025 at 6:27 pm

      Sensible Sentencing (the SS) have stuffed up here and given Chloe the chance to explain that defunding the police is not Green Party policy at all.

      They should have saved it for the election.

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