Open mike 08/11/2015

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  1. Manuka AOR 1

    Andrew on the TPP
    Gower had asked: Is the Labour Party for or against the TPP?
    Andrew: The TPP does something else [than open markets to help our exporters], and it does something pretty rotten, actually. It tries to tell the New Zealand Parliament and therefore the voters and citizens of New Zealand how our parliament should operate. That’s wrong, and that can never be justified and can never be defended, and we will fight against it.

    Gower: Sure.

    Andrew: But I want to be clear that fighting against that, which is what we will do – I’m absolutely committed to doing – is not anti-free trade. It is not opposing our long-standing heritage as a party in supporting free trade. I want to make that clear. So when you ask the question, it is too simplistic and too simple to simply say, yeah, we’re for this or we’re against it, because it’s too complex.

    Gower: Because it’s a deal and it’s a package, and you can’t pick and choose, and it’s here now, the time for fighting is over. It’s here.

    Andrew: No.

    Gower: The deal’s been done.

    Andrew: I disagree absolutely, and that’s the whole thing.

    • savenz 1.1

      Go Andrew Little. The TPP is NOT a free trade agreement, it is a way for large scale corporates to profit from Governments and to keep the worlds polluters polluting for as long as possible and make a grab for the Internet, copywrite, patents etc so that other technologies are stifled, and then sue the government when they regulate in their own countries for their own people’s good. That is NOT DEMOCRACY.

      If you have a look in Indonesia, where the economic ‘benefits’ of palm oil plantations are destroying their air, forests and way of life.

      Yep great for those 10% benefiting but what about people who can’t afford to leave?

      Unfortunately NZ is an ’emerging’ country to plunder and with the security of the TPP agreement, corporates will be here in force to plunder our country and people any which way they can. It is the opposite of security, as imagine the riots to come when our water, farms, housing and food start to be polluted and sold offshore.

      We really are being sold off as a banana republic (for nothing as the agreement is ‘free’) and I’m not sure how long Kiwis will sit around watching that happen.

      When a few individuals are now threatening to sue Wellington council for daring to want a ‘living wage’ that is NOT THE START OF A BRIGHTER FUTURE, and when corporations sue when the government does not give permission to sell our farms overseas, under TPP it is going to get ALOT worse.

      Our country will be full of these NACT NEOLIBERALS CORPORATES SUEING LOCALS!

      Its already happening, and the future is NOT BRIGHTER!

    • savenz 1.2

      Furthermore how can Labour promise

      In Government, we will provide a clear time-frame for industry to reduce sugar content in all processed food.

      There will be front of package labelling that is easy for everyone to understand.

      under TPP.

      The txt has come out and Labour MUST say they do not support TPP or they are going to look like liars because under TPP if they will not be able to do the above without being in a position to compensate for the loss of profits and NZ can not afford this type of agreement.

      • Manuka AOR 1.2.1

        Yes. They need to be strong, clear and unequivocal, – with no apology, no wavering.

        • weka


          Thanks for the interview snip. Good to hear Little being so clear and not letting Gower misdirect Labour’s position.

    • tc 1.3

      Great to see little correct gower and call out the deliberately simplistic question.

      Now can the rest please follow on consistently with some fire in the belly to get people taking notice of how nact have yet again sold out nz without the finer details being known.

  2. savenz 2

    ‘Worse Than We Thought’: TPP A Total Corporate Power Grab Nightmare
    ‘President Obama has sold the American people a false bill of goods,’ says Friends of the Earth

  3. AsleepWhileWalking 3
    Beware of your smartphone.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.1

      That sounds remarkably like someone have a rant about their pet hate combined with advertising.

  4. dv 4

    What really irritates me are the simple questions like for or against.

    Its a 6000 page doc!!!

  5. Tory 5

    I took Shamubeel Eacqubs advice some time ago by not purchasing a house. Can those of you on this site who support Grant Robertsons shared prosperity rant and own a house, send me your address as I may need somewhere to live.

    • savenz 5.1

      Well Shamubeel is the MSM darling. Or listen to Bernard Hickey another MSM darling.

      They seem to be advocating the same thing, there will be a housing crash (being said for last 15 years) which never happened.

      Shamubeel has links to Goldman Sachs and Bernard tired ex Journo Hack!

      Hope you enjoy being homeless Tory, because Immigration HAS NOTHING to do with the Auckland housing crisis according to the above – just like the mythical housing crash that nobody experienced in Auckland.

      The sad thing, is that the MSM hacks actually seem to believe it. Just like reforming the RMA and the SHA to make land owners richer in Auckland.

      And advocating making those rentals a bit more comfortable so maybe Kiwis won’t notice they can’t afford to buy a house anymore.

      Or how the MSM told Labour to bring in capital gains taxes for the 65% of Homeowning Kiwis last election they would win. Kiwis who do not respond to MSM financial advice and that spent all their pitiful wages on a house to live in, so at least now they both have a place to live and savings, their unlivable wages never gave them.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        Bernard Hickey is a good guy mate, dont be such an arsehole.

        • savenz

          I know a lot of people who did not buy a house because they read the herald and believed all that stuff about the property crash and bought shares, etc. Now they can’t afford to buy, because property has doubled in Auckland and those who bought need low interests rates and no crash and no instability and really do fear a crash. And for those that think a crash is a great idea, have a look at the US today.

          I might sound like an arsehole and Hickey and Shemubeel might be lovely guys, but their advice was pretty reckless and the damage is done to some people – they are pretty much unable to buy a house now in Auckland where they work, whereas they could of, 5 – 10 years ago and I think Shemubeel has said that immigration has nothing to do with inflated prices in Auckland???

        • greywarshark

          You are coming on strong CV. Doesn’t sound like your usual rational approach. It seems that save nz considers the results show the financial advice was misleading.

      • KJT 5.1.2

        Immigration and overseas buyers have nothing to do with the housing crisis in Auckland………………?

        They had nothing to do with the heat coming off the housing market as the Chinese economy slows and we started requiring money launderers to supply passport numbers.

    • Once was Tim 5.2

      I’d be happy to @ Tory if you’ll publish your email so I can contact you. I’ve got a garage you can have for $400 a week. (free market and all).
      Or I know a couple of people looking for flatmates under the Ghuznee Street motorway bridge that might be happy to have you.

      • savenz 5.2.1

        @Once were Tim – I hear National are solving the housing crisis in Northland by building 11 new bridges. First dibs#

        • savenz

          I’d be clutching my ‘mum and dad’ power company shares, I can’t afford the electricity which is why I’m hoping to get into this new under bridge development in Northland.

          Luckily our government let me buy some shares in Meridian before they sold it off and evicted me from my State house because I only got 3 hours work on my zero hour contract last week. I nearly got a living wage job, but living wages are actually not democratic because then other business might have to pay it and the economy will crumble if business have to pay a living wage. I’m really hoping solar doesn’t take off, because these shares might go down and that’s all I’ve got now.

          Luckily the electricity authority is unlikely to let that happen, because solar is might effect big business bottom line thats why climate change should not be mentioned in one of the largest trade agreements of the world.

          I still vote National because they are promising me a better job, if we keep the status quo and make business run the world eventually we get ‘trickle down’ and I will be prosperous like John Key is, he used to live in a state house don’t you know?

          • Draco T Bastard

            😈 +1

          • b waghorn

            You obviously haven’t set you’re aspirations high enough , because if you did you’d be living the dream buy now.

            • Once was Tim

              That’d be stepping up to a little pozzy under the Kelburn Viaduct Bridge eh? Or perhaps the Bolton Street bridge where one or two resident pollies can throw him a crust from ‘toim ta toim’.
              I reckon @Tory could do well flatting with the Ghuznee Street dwellers. He/she could tell them to just pull themselves together, aim a little higher, don’t take no for an answer, and perhaps even refer them to a printer mate who can do a ‘cashie’ job on a decent sign for when they’re out begging – show them some “entre-prin-oooo-aaaah-ship”.
              Of course he could always go out east (since he’s such a classy guy) and get close to hob nobbing with Finlayson – although there’d be one or two places he’d have to avoid for fear of having something done that’d change his life (ekshully, now I think about it, the change would probably do him good).

  6. Rodel 6

    Andrew Little handled Gower well when he said, “So when you ask the question, it is too simplistic and too simple……..”
    I (and maybe Winston) would have added.”But that’s what I’d expect from you Paddy”

    • tc 6.1

      Agreed when will labour start to treat these nactoid media muppets aggressively with some retorts that show how shallow and biased they are.

      Little should understand the hostile witness scenario so time he practiced it with the msm and gain some traction against the spin and dirty politics still present.

      • Rodel 6.1.1

        tc I agree entirely but..Serious question- What is the’ hostile witness scenario’?

        I’d like to see Little taking the p**s out of sententious journalists and I think he’d be good at it. Perhaps he’s too much of a gentleman.. sorry gentleperson…
        No I think he should get some aggression.

        • tc

          Witnesses who are expected to be forthcoming and honest but aren’t so judges allow them to be treated as hostile so gloves come off and the barrister gets stuck in.

          The nice guy routine is what gower etc expect so go back at them and do what paul Keating was a master at, taking the question sharpening it and sticking it back into your examiner with interest.

  7. Northsider 7

    The TPP is NOT a Free Trade Agreement.
    It is as one-sided as the East India Company Act.
    It will have benefits for the Fucker and restriction on the Fuckee.

    Labour should drive hard on the theme:
    “The TPPA is NOT a Free Trade Agreement; it is a Large Corporate Protection Agreement; LCPA.”

  8. Herodotus 8

    Why did Andrew Little just say on Q&A, as one reason to defend dropping the CGT was ‘unfair” for the the small investor with 1 or 2 rental properties that was their retirement scheme to be taxed. (Not a direct quote) If it is part of an investment strategy and a CG is part of the strategy then that CG should be taxed.
    No wonder property values are furthered fuelled in Auckland Its ok not to be taxed on this investment but all other retirement schemes are taxed on their gains. eg shares, precious metals etc.
    It would be IMO far less conscientious to stress what the existing tax laws capture and how they should be strengthened.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      Little is defending tbe rights of the top 10% who not only own their own home but have a small property portfolio as well.

      Such is the modern Labour Party.

    • Bill 8.2

      I didn’t hear Little, but know that there was some disquiet at the time, because a crib, that a not very wealthy person had managed to buy, was going to attract a CGT.

      • savenz 8.2.1

        What else is a local going to invest in, in this country? Shares and be called a ‘parasite’ by business roundtable, invest in Kiwisaver which a great idea, but the Natz have already started tinkering with it (do you want to have everything you own in the government hands), or hope for savings with your pay rise you have not got for 10 years and being told you are lucky to have a job?

        Rightly or wrongly it is a dream of NZ to own property and I’m not sure Maori are that keen on additional property taxes either.

        Deciding to tax assets for the cash poor is theoretically a great idea but in practise not something that will win an election.

        And if you are going to tax property, at least go with a consumption tax like stamp duty which is practically impossible to evade as it is paid on title transfer.

  9. weka 9

    Now for some light relief, agribusiness satire, this one’s especially for vto.

    “I got this selling corn, it comes out of the f*cking ground”

  10. Once was Tim 10

    Gott in Himmel!
    Did I just hear Nick Leggett on Q+A say “National has not wound back Labour’s ‘Social Contract'”?
    I might have been hearing things as I travel towards dotage but if not, he is obviously SO out of touch it isn’t funny anymore!
    WINZ treatment of beneficiaries and youth.
    Flogging off the public’s assets.
    Doing away with/underfunding/under resourcing democratic institutions (PSB; Ombudsmen’s Office;ECAN;etc.,etc.,etc…..)
    …. yea nah

    • savenz 10.1

      The funny thing is that the Natz are mimicking Labour. Everything they talk about is Labour. Labour did it too, Labour agrees with us, even their winning election slogan last election.

      “working for NZ” “working’ and “labour’ being closely related.

      What I can’t understand is why Labour are pretending to be the Natz?

      Vote Positive.

      Is that the magic beans of TPP?

      Clasp your last $ before your foreclosure and think positive?

      Saying that I am feeling much more hopeful about Labour being against TPP and getting back to it’s basics.

      Lets hope they don’t keep channelling weasel words like the Natz and reclaim their legacy POST 1984.

  11. johnm 11

    Australia is becoming increasingly fascist and inhumane and downright cruel:

    1 Tetraplegic man who’s lived most of his life in Aussie though originally from NZ was jailed for using an illegal substance to ease his pain and then dumped at AKL airport. He’d forgotten to take out Australian citizenship.

    2. Kiwi who has lived in WA for 11 years went on a peace visit to Syria and on return though he’s nothing wrong they’re going to deport him!

    3. This poor man has lived in Aussie since a baby and he’s 51. He’s been convicted of starting a bush fire and did 15 months, he’s now in Australia’s Guantanamo Bay namely Christmas island west of Bali and just south of the Indonesian coast, they’re treating him like a terrorist!

    ” Man who has spent 50 years of his life in Australia faces deportation to the UK under strict new immigration laws after he was jailed for 15 months for starting a bush fire

    Ian Wightman, 51, has lived in Western Australia since he was one year old
    He is now on Christmas Island awaiting deportation to the United Kingdom
    This is due to a new law which punishes foreigners ( This man is not, not a foreigner he is an Australian! This is Nazi stuff! ) who have gone to jail
    Mr Wightman was sentenced to 15 months after he started a scrub fire ”

    I visited Aussie to see a friend last year for a week, am a NZ citizen and checking through for the flight home got a full overall body xray plus had baggage checked for firearms residue!! This is f*cking insane! Have they gone stark staring bonkers over there?

    • savenz 11.1

      @John M. It’s called manufactured fear. Instead of collaborating neighbours spy on each other and fear each other and governments spy and fear their own people.

  12. SaveOurNix 12

    I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Nick Leggat is a member of the Labour Party? Why is he up in Auckland (Q+A studios) and not at the Labour Party conference?

    • maui 12.1

      He’s part of a thinktank with revolutionary ideas for Labour… and also part of a Pagani, Nash trifecta. You never know he might appear on the Standard like the other two have recently.

  13. Rosemary McDonald 13

    Very good article in the Herald….yes you read right…

  14. Draco T Bastard 14

    School boys assault women, post online

    “Teen boys would jump out of a car and approach young women and smack them on the bottom,” Walsh said.

    “That was recorded and they’d jump back into the car and drive off.”

    Well, I suppose after the Roastbusters didn’t go to jail for a very long time they thought that this type of shit was acceptable. They themselves should now be going to jail and getting a criminal record but I’m sure that they won’t.

  15. Bill 15

    In the US.

    Two cops in jail following the shooting of a father and son (the son died). The shooting happened on Friday. So that’s pretty quick, right? And a big change from the normal pattern of events in the US following a police shooting – no messing, no strange attempts to justify or excuse; locked up in double quick time.

    Oh yeah, did I mention the cops are black and the father and son they shot were white? Now, I’m sure that has absolutely no bearing on anything, no siree.

  16. Thinking Right 16

    I’m concerned for Colin Craig.

    After accusing (and suing) Stringer and Slater of dirty politics he has now admitted that he is the ‘Mr X’ and the interviewer in his (in)famous pamphlet.

    When you include the ranting printed in the pamphlet and the misrepresentation involved in writing the pamphlet how can he dance on a pin head and accuse the other two of lying about him and involving themselves in ‘dirty politics’.

    Admitting to being three different personalities listed in the pamphlet is bad enough.

    Writing in the pamphlet quotes relating to the Commandment ‘Not to bear false witness’ and a quote from George Washington about finding out the truth – hasn’t Craig proved his own pamphlet?

    It is so messed up I am wondering if Craig has fallen down his own personal Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole – no other logical explanation.

    Craig – get help.

  17. greywarshark 17

    This from Wall Street Journal.
    Technology is one source of this shift, but so is legislation. The JOBS Act of 2012 contained a seemingly innocuous provision making it easier for startups to raise money from investors previously deemed too poor to dabble in such ventures. At the end of October, the Securities and Exchange Commission finally approved the rules, which will go into full effect early next year.
    As a result, any company or person with an idea can solicit and raise up to $1 million without most of the onerous regulatory and reporting requirements of the past.
    Jumpstart Our Business Startups (JOBS) Act
    On April 5, 2012, the Jumpstart Our Business Startups (JOBS) Act was signed into law by President Barack Obama. The Act requires the SEC to write rules and issue studies on capital formation, disclosure and registration requirements.

    Cost-effective access to capital for companies of all sizes plays a critical role in our national economy, and companies seeking access to capital should not be hindered by unnecessary or overly burdensome regulations. We look forward to hearing the public’s views as we write rules that both facilitate capital formation and promote investor protection.

  18. Tracey 18

    So Judith Collins has nothing to do since going back to being a backbencher…has to write a self serving column and do some extra mural study… good on 159k per annum… plus fratuities… if you can get it.

  19. Gangnam Style 19

    “Provisions of Canada’s new Pacific Rim trade deal(TPPA) are prompting concerns over credential recognition in light of a section that says there will be no limits and no testing of foreign skilled workers.” and
    “This text confirms our worst fears,” said Gill McGowan, president of the Alberta Federation of Labour. “This deal will allow foreign companies to bring in what could be an unlimited number of temporary foreign workers in certain broad occupational categories … while bypassing all measures to protect Canadian jobs.”

  20. Rodel 20

    A great interview on RNZ Sunday morning by Wallace Chapman (Influential New Zealanders) with Sue Bradford. Lots of unknown (to me) information..American mother..Both parents university scientists..tragedy with one of her sons…her views on section 59-the anti ‘beating kids’ bill..her principled reasons for eschewing involvement with Kim completing a PhD.
    A valuable and principled person.I wish her well and hope she stays around.

    • Chooky 20.1

      … also a Maoist in her student days…and while principled I think also authoritarian

      ie Mao wasn’t into grassroots democracy…like Pol Pot , Mao was a communist and supposedly for the people…but Mao thought he knew what was best for ‘the people’ …and did a lot of damage to ‘the people’ in the name of his Cultural Revolution… to put it mildly! (…some would say top down fascism and cultural annihilation…many lives were lost and others ruined )

      ( when I was at university most students from a working class background did not think much of Mao!…it was those from a middle class background who fancied themselves radicals who favoured Mao and they thought they knew what was best for everyone else …ha ha)

      ….nor is Bradford a fan of the blog sphere because she sees it as getting in the way and undermining of ‘real journalism’ by ‘trained’ journalists , presumably for real newspapers ( and other corporately owned real business media outlets) …whereas surely the blog sphere is grassroots democracy in action?!….(and I reckon many of the writers are better than in the msm).

      ….same goes for her criticisms of Dotcom…Bradford damned Dotcom because he was a millionaire and wanted to bring big business opportunities to New Zealand

      ( but if these ‘big business opportunities’ are in IT entrepreneurship then surely this is preferable to dairying/environmental degradation or destructive overkill tourism or property speculation or NZ going bankrupt ?…and having to sell off precious land into overseas ownership because the dairy industry is no longer profitable and we are increasingly beholden to China for milk prices?!)

      …imo Bradford’s damning of Dotcom is simplistic and superficial …ie it does not recognise the much deeper issues at stake that Dotcom is embroiled in…of future NZ democracy and sovereignty

      eg. control and takeover of NZ enterprise by overseas big corporate Hollywood and media/ IT monopolies, curtailing of internet freedom, information and democratic usage , censorship , violation of privacy, human rights to freedom from surveillance, copyright monopolies…

      …these are amongst the most important issues of our times and recognised by Dotcom’s friends …eg. Julian Assange, Glenn Greenwald, Edward Snowden, Max Keiser , Hone Harawira and others in the Mana/Internet Party

      one would have thought that being an activist for human rights against monopoly corporate capitalism and on the vanguard facing the rough end of police force …Bradford would have had more sensitivity about such issues and more sympathy for the fight Dotcom is engaged in ….and the heavy treatment he has received

      However , agreed, a great interview by Wallace Chapman …and Sue Bradford is to be admired for her activism for the underdog

  21. Chooky 21

    All about Bitcoin:

    “Every week Max Keiser looks at all the scandal behind the financial news headlines.
    In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the “trust machine” that is Bitcoin and the financial journalists who have jumped the shark trying to deny it. In the second half, Max interviews Simon Dixon of about Bitcoin Capital, Bitcoin vs blockchain and the future of finance.”

    “In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the magic tricks required to escape the economic tricks locking the 99 percent in an ever declining wealth illusion. In the second half, Max interviews Sam Lee of the Bitcoin Group, a bitcoin miner about to go public in Australia. Max talks to him about the trials and tribulations of going public (the first of its kind in Australia) and why bitcoin and not blockchain?”

  22. lprent 22

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