According to Taylor the Lucira test provides an accurate result at the level of PCR testing within 30 minutes (find out more about this test in the link below)
was offered to our government 18 months ago and they still haven't approved it:
"The Lucira test that we reacquainted the MoH with after a year and a half of having done nothing about it, gives a clinically approved, PCR equivalent result in 30 minutes."
And the government wants to conduct its own tests despite it being approved by a number of reputable countries already:
"Despite the number of technically advanced countries in the world that have approved Lucira, the ministry has decided they need to conduct more test of their own. Who knows how long those will take."
Honestly, I just shake my head at this. And this is the organisation who thinks they can administer RATS that we don't have enough of?
There was a guy from one of the testing organisations interviewed on ZB yesterday who was commenting on how the testing system is already under pressure and the Omicron thing has hardly started yet.
The Lucira test would take a lot of the burden off our testing system. But they aren't even approved yet despite the MOH knowing about them for ages.
"'In a community trial setting, Lucira™ Check-It results were compared with the Hologic Panther Fusion, which is considered a high-sensitivity molecular test due to its low Limit of Detection ("LOD"). Lucira's accuracy was 98%, correctly detecting 385 out of 394 positive and negative samples in comparison to the Hologic Panther Fusion, excluding ten samples with very low levels of virus (those with very high PCR cycle thresholds of 37.5 or greater) that likely no longer represented active infection. Comparative positive results agreed 97% of the time among this sample, and negative results agreed 98% of the time."
AZOVA offers the Lucira COVID-19 Home test kit with video observation and a travel pass for pre-departure testing. Take this test under video observation two days before the final leg of your flight to the UK. Testing is simple and takes only 15 minutes.
Take a pre-departure test within 2 days of departure from the U.S.
"The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) authority allows FDA to help strengthen the nation’s public health protections against chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) threats including infectious diseases, by facilitating the availability and use of medical countermeasures (MCMs) needed during public health emergencies."
That seems to cover a wide range of products, and not related to how much they are or are not used.
It looks to me this provision allows them to fast-track products to help keep ahead of the curve.
It relates to vaccines and various things. I am not sure, but it may well be that the Pfizer vaccine is also in this category.
I understand that the “emergency use” provision is to by-pass the normal lengthily approval process that would probably delay many products to such an extent that the pandemic would be over before they could be used.
Actually, that is correct. For instance, the Pfizer vaccine for kids has been approved under the emergency use provisions:
All this shows is that "'emergency use" is not the same as "infrequent use" which is what you seemed to be saying previously, unless you also think the Pfizer vaccine is used infrequently….
So far as use in other countries goes, here is a youtube link fro the test in french:
TS, hasn’t it got through to you, they are shit, not fit for purpose, the virus has outflanked them. Not suitable for small scale testing ,only large town size testing where known failure assumption calculations can give an overview. They are like asking 3 people in a taxi who they will vote for and extrapolating that out to 5 million.
The Lucira Check It COVID-19 Test Kit is a single-use test kit intended to detect the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 that causes COVID-19. This test is authorized for over-the-counter (OTC) use with self-collected nasal swab samples in individuals with or without COVID-19 symptoms aged 14 and older, and in children aged 2-13 collected by an adult. This test is similar to a PCR test in that it utilizes a molecular amplification technology for the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA.
Positive results are indicative of the presence of SARS-CoV-2. Individuals who test positive should self-isolate and seek additional care from their healthcare provider. Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.
Negative results do not preclude SARS-CoV-2 infection. Individuals who test negative and continue to experience COVID-like symptoms should seek follow up care from their healthcare provider. Negative results are presumptive and confirmation with a molecular assay performed in a laboratory, if necessary, for patient management may be performed.
For use under the Food and Drug Administration’s Emergency Use Authorization only.
Test results can be reported through the LUCI secure portal, to relevant public health authorities in accordance with local, state, and federal requirements."
Staff at Twin Parks believe their current outbreak could have been avoided.
According to an email seen 9 NEWS, a decision was then made to give all residents in the home's West Wing a PCR test, the results alarmingly revealing at least 20 residents had contracted the virus.
Twin Parks said residents had been tested with two different brands of RATs to confirm their diagnosis, but they provided conflicting results.
Marie Antoinette explains why she doesn't understand the suffering of the poor in France.
Prime Minister Arden has just slapped down her Associate Minister of Housing for suggesting that rent control could be part of the solution to cruelly unaffordable rents.
"I hear nothing from that side….."
The Prime Minister explains why she is deaf to the suffering of renters.
'I hear nothing from that side': PM on defence over 'eye-watering' rent increases, 'skyrocketing price of living'
Unfortunately I can't find the article to link to, but they were predicting that rents will increase significantly in 2022. And the way things are going I think they are correct.
Thanks Patricia. Although interestingly, I heard an interview on One Zb the other day from a Barfoot & Thompson guy who said last month the market had changed and for the first time the vendors were more keen than the buyers, and possibly the market may have turned slightly to favor buyers more.
Centrist NZ Labour party is hostile to anyone coming from the left. A prime example is this fantastic speech by Chloe Swarbrick yesterday, followed by a bizarre hit piece here today.
Pointing out the difference between the rhetoric and the inaction is unacceptable, be happy with the tepid incrementalism, there is no alternative.
[lprent: Authors opinions are their own, in this case one from advantage. Read the policy about attributing author opinions to anything other than what they think. Plus (FFS) – Advantage does seem to spend a lot of time here telling the NZLP off.
Since you can’t appear to simply deal with an opinion without simply smearing it by implying that it is a NZLP hit, then I can’t see any reason to tolerate your stupidity. It is unacceptable. Banned for 4 weeks for being a complete fuckwit. ]
COVID fever fallout continues in Kaitaia. Christian school Abundant Life has been closed by the Ministry of Education due to insufficient available qualified staff. Principal Mark Tan–a previous Natzo would be MP, Mike Sabin was selected–has headed for the hills on a years sabbatical. Tan is anti vaccination and anti mandate. The Far North as ever needs better community leaders.
The police will clear parliament today. The response has been characterised by restraint and de-escalation in order to respect the right to protest and to not give anti-vaxxers the radicalising martyrdom moment many of them clearly want. But it is clear the protesters are not going to go peacefully and continued restraint risks escalation if reinforcement turns up and the crowd tries to storm parliament. The police can't afford to keep 100+ officers tied up 24×7 for weeks and I read in Stuff this morning they've called in 100 extra cops overnight.
The grounds will be cleared today and the whole area closed to the public for the next little while is my guess.
Looks that way, hopefully it doesn't descend into chaos. If it does expect protests to become more disruptive, looking at the forecast I suspect the better response is to let the incoming weather system do it…
The problem is they have a set of inchoate and impossible demands which when combined with threats against politicians and a decentralised organisational structure means there can be no peaceful meeting with the speaker to hand over a petition or something followed by a dispersal – in other words, the symbolic rituals of democracy are not going to be observed by a bunch of people who see themselves through an over-wrought lens of crusading martyrdom.
The idea you need a permit to protest is an oxymoron which I would have thought every liberty loving right winger would denounce – prising your liberty from your Cold dead hands and all that other stuff you hear ad nauseum from the freedom loving lectern lictors of the right.
Of course, when actually called to account to defend ancient liberties and rights in a free society, our righties always disappoint, revealing themselves as petty minded authoritarians obsessed with fussing over the detritus of process as a hollow substitute to defending what they hypocritically spout on every other occasion.
They staged a protest. It was (mostly) peaceful. Now they have a decision to make.
There are basically 2 kinds of protest – limited and unlimited time. The former is common (I've been on marches and the like, I bet many of us have). That was this Convoy, or so we thought. Drive, arrive, speak, leave.
The latter is a sit-in, an occupation. It can work, but usually for a specific, achievable goal (e.g. students at a campus, wanting a change in some college policy).
Is there any such goal here? None apparent. Coffee and a chat with the PM? So what are they staying for? No demands have been issued (of any plausible nature).
Mandates will end at some stage but only the utterly deluded think this protest will influence the decision in any way.
The right to protest is fundamental, and of course it is not the issue here. You are creating a straw man.
Would you like to engage with the points I made? What are the protesters’ demands, and should they be allowed permanent occupation and disruption until those demands are met? When does that ever happen at protests?
It's the hypocrisy I find amusing, accept your fucking mandate peasant when Sanc agrees with the mandate, let protests do whatever when Sanc likes the protest, plus bleating on about ancient liberties and rights. most "left" or "approved" protests are quite incoherent as well except for their leadership which is usually exceptional and eloquent.
The right to protest is fundamental, and of course it is not the issue here.
The right to protest is an issue here.
Disruption is part and parcel of peaceful protest. It occurs whenever large crowds gather. Therefore, is no excuse for denying people of their fundamental right.
I've protested for years, occupied buildings back in the day. The standard practise when the protest involved trespass (never involved threats to "hang 'em high", but this is a different crowd) was for people to decide whether or not they wished to be arrested. We literally discussed this at meetings. Then, when the tolerance of the authorities had expired, them that wanted to avoid arrest left, and the ones who were cool with it stayed. And we had lawyers set up to advise them, they all knew the process to expect, and they made their decision.
People don't have a right to camp on parliament's lawn in perpetuity. In my day, the Speaker was the nominated owner/occupier of Parliament grounds for trespass orders, and the streets are covered by various obstruction laws (in addition to the catch-all "disorderly behaviour").
This isn't a double standard. These are the rules left wing protestors have lived under for decades.
I've protested for years, occupied buildings back in the day. The standard practise when the protest involved trespass (never involved threats to "hang 'em high", but this is a different crowd) was for people to decide whether or not they wished to be arrested. We literally discussed this at meetings.
This protest gives me the impression that having a meeting was never really thought about, let alone having some common fundamentals agreed between the groups.
Someone said 'let's copy the Canadians, that seemed to work so well for them, we'll all drive to Wellington'.
Sounds of gas being filled, 'have I time to write some wonky written anti vax placards? yes! done, zoom, away we go.
The story could continue but suffice to say, they have not got even one tame MP to come to meet them let alone anything to give them that might have been released simultaneously to the media so everyone could see what they are about.
People have the right to protest, and people (even the PM) have the right to point out when protestors are being dicks.
The right to protest is not at issue here. What's at issue is the entitlement of fools who think they can jam up downtown traffic for days with zero repercussions.
Most protests, even smallish ones, involve some disruption. Disruption that is tolerated, but not a right. When it becomes more difficult to tolerate disruption than deal with it, the cops can and will arrest. And for some reason the tolerance of the authorities seems to change more according to who is protesting, rather than how – but that's another debate entirely.
No, their demands are not incoherent, they want an end to the mandates and reinstatement of the Bill of Rights. That is it. This is reasonable given that omicron evades the vaccine.
This is the first Labour Government to deliberately put people out of work and people are understandably unhappy about this. The powers that be refused to meet with them so they could hand over the paperwork so they are staying until things change.
This is a peaceful protest, the response from our elected officials is not.
The Bill of Rights doesn't need reinstating. It has never been rescinded.
Several court judgments have declared that the mandates are not a breach of the bill of rights and are a <i> justified limitation </i> on society. There is a larger public health purpose at play.
The evidence overseas of the death toll and strain on the health system should be all that is needed to understand what is at risk in New Zealand should the outbreak become even worse.
"…The powers that be refused to meet with them so they could hand over the paperwork…"
The powers that be being the people they are threatening to hang and subject to kangaroo courts, those powers that be? Not unreasonable then to not want to meet with people making regular death threats against you.
And what paperwork? A photocopy of Magna Carta and garbled re-write of the Grand Remonstrance?
Look, these people are breach of public health orders. No one is being deliberately put out of work, they are choosing not to comply with lawful vaccine mandates and the consequences of that. get the vaccine, keep the job.
they want an end to the mandates and reinstatement of the Bill of Rights. That is it.
People like Fran presume to decide what the protest is really about. Meanwhile the protesters decide it's about various other things. How inconvenient.
From their own words … It's about demanding other people don't wear a mask, it's about children being murdered by a vaccine, it's about making violent threats to journalists (any Bill of Rights for them?), it's about 1080, it's about loving Trump, it's about Counterspin, it's about Ardern being controlled by mysterious forces, and so on, and so on …
Again, those things may not be what you want to protest about, Fran. But you don't get to create your own reality.
If you had bothered to do some research you would know that the organisers were very clear about their purpose and have stayed on message. If you are only getting your information from the mainstream media then of course you would not know that.
My "research" is reading their own words, in their own social media, on their own signs. I bothered, which is why I quoted some of them in my comment.
If you are only getting your information by carefully not reading them, then of course you would not know that. Because – be honest now – you do not want to know.
Is Clarke Gayford in jail for drug dealing? That's "staying on message" – theirs.
You just needed to read the placards carried on the cars and at the protest to know what the message was……gradually throughout yesterday the few anti mandate signs disappeared and today we have had the wrongly spelled ones about PM and others going to be tried per the Nuremberg laws , how vaccine kills, and the stoic guy who waved a flag all day 'Natural immunity 99.6%'
I fully support the right of this unmasked, unvaccinated crowd to hold a protest on the steps of parliament for as long as they like, (until the fall sick and leave of their own free will in embarrassment.
But for goodness sake. At least tow away all their illegally parked vehicles.
I have been to several hikoi and protests at parliament and we never dared illegally park our vehicles.
Why do these right wing protesters get treated with kid gloves by the council parking authorities? When left wing protesters get pulled over and ticketed for the slightest infringement?
Some of the morons gathered in Wellington want the PM to be like Trump. She could be today.
Get up a posse of police and military, batons, tear gas, rubber bullets and a Bible. Proceed down the steps of Parliament. Deal to the mob and march the staunch march of someone in charge, along the road, round the corner to the Treasury. Wave the Bible in the air.
So many would, be overcame by such a display of authority injections may be needed to revive them.
Glad you're not authoritarian, Peter. Harbouring views about dumb peasants who need to be put in their place.
Did it ever occur to any of you superior types that it just might be the marginalised, that could, and in many cases, are, trying to express what they know of the danger authoritarianism poses?
agree KJT, more millions from the sirkey Govt. for the state snoops including life long immunity/anonymity for operatives and extended powers for Govt. Ministries–hardly a squeak out of anyone at the time
Yes.There are protests everywhere when Labour is in power.
I asked striking teachers why they never bothered when the Natz were not interested in raising their pay for 9 years ….their reply…we knew they wouldn't take any…notice.
Dumb peasants of course should not be put in their place – they should choose their own place.
For example they can choose to have all the top positions in fields like immunology and epidemiology in New Zealand. I mean in the past couple of years they have tried to convince me they know more than all the so called experts. I accept they might be marginalised by the fact they are treated as if they are talking shit. Big deal.
I appreciate they might be pissed off that their parents made them do things and they didn't always get their own way from when they were born. Now they are trying to express what they know of the danger authoritarianism poses from their life learning? This is their way of fighting back?
I don't care about that. The choice is to accept manipulative ignorant fuckwits leading other ignorant fuckwits running my world or not.
Someone should open up a mobile coffee shop and start offering the protesters free flat whites, but put a laxative in the coffee. That would get them going.
It's something that constantly bemuses me – people who tout clean green energy, when in fact it's either not clean and green, or the economic realities at present just don't stack up. Case in point:
''There aren't many options to recycle or trash turbine blades, and what options do exist are expensive, partly because the U.S. wind industry is so young. It's a waste problem that runs counter to what the industry is held up to be: a perfect solution for environmentalists looking to combat climate change.''
Talking of nuttiness…what are our fuel prices going to be when Marsden Point closes in a few months time? Labour could have expanded the refinery life, but Labour ministers didn't want to know.
There is nothing wrong with moving to green energy production. That is a sane thing to do. But as a rock climbing instructor will tell you, when traversing a rock face, always have three limbs making a solid grip before embarking on your next move. Sage advice.
''I thought the refinery was a private business.''
It is. And they shouldn't get a penny from the public purse. But this is a caring Labour gummint with lush funding for all occasions.
I would think this would be one of those occasions?
Quote:
''A Cabinet paper released in November revealed that Energy Minister Megan Woods had been willing to consider trying to save the refinery by underwriting its operations for a period of up to 10 years but that the option did not get the support of fellow ministers.''
The refinery is reaching the end of it's design life, and is also too small compared to overseas refineriesto be economic.
Keeping it open is more likely to increase, not reduce, overall energy costs.
And. Buying into the anti Green energy propaganda, by claiming Green energy is “not a perfect solution, so we should stay with hydrocarbons”, is the sort of bullshit the tobacco industry used. Worthy of Chris Bishop at his tobacco lobbyist, bullshitting best.
''There is nothing wrong with moving to green energy production. That is a sane thing to do. But as a rock climbing instructor will tell you, when traversing a rock face, always have three limbs making a solid grip before embarking on your next move. Sage advice.''
But. To carry on with it. The fossil fuel industry, and those you are quoting, want us to stay on the rock face, without ever going to the next pitch, until we lose our grip and fall.
Propaganda about the supposed inefficiencies and costs of more sustainable energy, is meant to keep the business model going as long as possible. Lessons fossil fuel suppliers have learnt from the tobacco and sugar industries.
But. To carry on with it. The fossil fuel industry, and those you are quoting, wants us to stay on the rock face, without ever going to the next pitch, until we lose our grip and fall.''
Everyone has an agenda in this sphere of activity. Of course the fossil fuel industry will fight for survival. That is fair and just. They will tell bs, just like the bs from the other side I have pointed out.
However, they know, and you should too, that the fossil fuel industry is a finite proposition. I still think it has decades to run, but it's dying as we speak.
Making the next move on the rock face demands a solid foothold. That is something the green energy movement cannot provide at the moment.
For example, this from Google:
''Mr Wilson said a study on EV battery life had recommended full factory replacements as a good, yet expensive, option. Estimates for a full factory replacement on a battery are $7,700 plus fitting for a 24KWH battery on a Nissan Leaf and $35,000 for an 85KWH battery on a Tesla.''
Yeah, a South Auckland family already having their choice of a cheap vehicle curtailed by new car import regulations would not be able to move to an electric vehicle.
Problem number two with electric cars:
The national grid ( including household electricals) will not be able to cope when electric car numbers meet a critical mass.
Now this is a debatable issue. But my point again – we don't have a reliable source of green energy that we can say wont cause issues…or if it does, such issues are easily fixed.
You have simply repeated BS from the anti more renewable energy side.
The cost of replacement batteries for an EV, for one, is immaterial, when the batteries now available will last longer than the normal life of the rest of the car.
The National grid is in the process of being upgraded. The cost will be a fraction of the ongoing costs of upgrades to our aging fossil fuel infrastructure, by the way.
Kicking the can down the road has gone on for too long.
We have the capability and should have been over 100% more renewable energy in the National grid, over a decade ago. Nationals power “reforms” and lack of action has put us back decades
''The cost of replacement batteries for an EV, for one, is immaterial, when the batteries now available will last longer than the normal life of the rest of the car.''
''The National grid is in the process of being upgraded. The cost will be a fraction of the ongoing costs of upgrades to our aging fossil fuel infrastructure, by the way.''
That's debatable again, and does not consider the upgrade of house power delivery capabilities for many homes. I have read about this and asked an electrician. Even the electrician and his partner couldn't agree on the issue.
I'm more than prepared to switch to greener energy…but for me it won't be until the bugs of delivery ad reliability and economy have been worked out
Currently, in Victoria, 10 kph over the speed limit will cost you $363 and some demerit points. While I lived there I once got a fine of about $100 for being 2 kph over the 100 kph limit on the Princes Highway from Melbourne to Geelong It is a multilane divided highway.
Mind you when I lived there the Northern Territory, outside the towns, had no speed limit at all. They went all soft in about 2007 though and brought in limits.
Our power was out pm for line work. Late joining in here. Travelled NZ Canberra 5 years ago, where we were met by my brother for a three hour drive to Dalmeny NSW, yes distances are close if 3 hours away. Later in our stay we had a one hour drive to meet friends for coffee!! Whole other world. Big vehicles too because…kangaroos.
I spent the last 18 months of my time in Australia touring the country. All our driving was on sealed roads mind. I knew damn well I shouldn't go on any of the outback tracks. We kept off the road at dawn and dusk. That was when the kangaroos were out and they were very dangerous. They moved so fast and so erratically. I have been told that if they saw 2 lights, your headlights, coming toward them they might jump between them and straight into the middle of your windscreen. With an adult red kangaroo weighing 40 – 50 kilos it would be a spectacular bang.
We loved being out in the outback and things like crossing the Nullabor. The stars are so amazingly bright out there with no settlements or atmospheric pollution.
On Tuesday there was a protest, majority peaceful, some nasty aggression from a minority, but overall nothing out of the ordinary.
On Wednesday the majority of protesters left. They had made their point and were a news headline. The remainder were given a day's grace. Meanwhile major disruption continued in central Wellington. The extra day was sufficient.
Today they are being moved on. Let's hope it does not get much worse. But there is no point saying "no need, they can leave Friday or Saturday or whenever". Clearly some have no intention of doing what protesters usually (and sensibly) do … declare victory and leave.
They have no clue what they are doing, because they live in echo chambers but cannot even agree on goals, never mind tactics. They could have scored a PR win, but they've chosen to alienate people instead. Nobody else to blame.
I also think they're politically naive when it comes to strategy, but they may be thinking that another set of headlines of them being arrested is useful to their movement eg see how repressive the state is, sign up to our movement here. And they might not be wrong.
(note the protest "leaders" are getting out of the way, leaving their followers to get arrested. Standard practice by far right agitators, always has been).
It sounds just like the 1981 protests about the Springbok tour. Even down to the protest leaders keeping out of the way. Standard practice by far left agitators, always has been.
Same place too. There were some major protests in Molesworth Street.
Oh, but it takes me back. As Mary Hopkins put it even earlier. "Those were the days my friends"
The deluded motley protestors/rabble seem to have funds for tents, petrol, time off work (if they are employed/employable). They have no regard for damaging Parliament grounds, or grossly inconveniencing people and businesses in Wellington. The anti-vaxxers among them could get infected with Covid and need medical/hospital treatment so will they accept drug interventions to assist their recovery despite not wanting the vaccine in their body? Will they be grateful to the state for the care they receive? Doubt it.
If you live in Wellington, or visit on occasion, I suggest you visit Shelley Bay. The occupation there has been going on for about 15 months now. It looks exactly like what you are describing.
And todays forecast is rain with a number of falling satellites.
Preliminary analysis show the increased drag at the low altitudes prevented the satellites from leaving safe-mode to begin orbit raising maneuvers, and up to 40 of the satellites will reenter or already have reentered the Earth’s atmosphere.
Yes I think rent controls could well be on the cards in the future, which is why I think some landlords are predicted to increase rents this year while they can. They can only increase once a year but I think they are making it a larger rise to compensate for the less mortgage interest being deductible and the uncertainty of future increases.
I increased the rent on my property to cover the mortgage interest portion I am no longer able to deduct. Tenant (of over 15 years) was very understanding and the rent is still lower by $100 a week compared to next door identical property that is rented out and managed by a real estate company.
I can't see rent controls happening in this term – especially given Ardern has explicitly ruled it out when Poto Williams floated it.
If it were announced, as a Labour/Greens policy – or even a GP bottom line for negotiations (not that the GP tend to do this) – I'd expect to see all rents take a very solid tick upwards in the expectation of a flat period.
The problem with rent controls is that it creates an incentive for rental owners to sell (especially if they see that they've taken the bulk of the capital gain out of the property already). If they're within the 10 year margin, then they may wait out a few years until they're in the 'free' zone.
And, when they sell, they're almost inevitably going to sell to owner-occupiers (not that that's a bad thing, in itself), but it reduces the rental housing stock.
Currently, there are literally 100s of applicants for each rental house coming available in Auckland (have friends who've been through the process of trying to find a new house). Reducing the housing stock available, increases this pressure: both on new rents (current tenant has left, so rent control no longer applies), and on the careful … selection … of the tenant (solo-mums or people with past credit issues need not apply)
And, when they sell, they're almost inevitably going to sell to owner-occupiers (not that that's a bad thing, in itself), but it reduces the rental housing stock.
Sounds like a house with people in it, will switch to a house with people living in it, which sounds fine in a housing crisis. But hopefully with controls, both the rent and the purchase of housing might become cheaper.
I don't think NZ has that much specific demand for rentals, everyone I know who rents would rather own, but can't afford it (paying so much in rent is one of the problems). They are not renting for the flexibility or lifestyle.
The rents a large proportion of people pay are the same or more than a mortgage….its getting the deposit and finance that is the…problem,and finding a house to buy without getting outbid by…investors.
If there is a mortgage on the house, then rent paid by tenants should be regarded as payment (or part-payment) of that mortgage. Tenants would effectively gain equity/part ownership of the house and receive a proportional share of its value when it was sold. A bureaucratic nightmare – but it might help end landlordism.
Hmm. I know a fair chunk of 20-somethings who really don't want to own a home – though they feeling a whole lot of FOMO because of house price rises.
Most of my peers wanted to travel in the 20s, or at least have mobility between cities; and spend their weekends partying, rather than doing house maintenance.
And, there are plenty of people who – regardless of the house prices, will never be in the financial position to put together a deposit and buy a house. Even at the high point of home ownership in the 1990s – there were a good 25% of households renting.
And, the shift from rental property to home ownership tends to reduce the number of people per dwelling: e.g. 3 bedroom property rented to 5 people (2 couples and a singleton) – bought and becomes owner-occupied with 3 people (a couple and a border; or a couple and 1 child).
"especially given Ardern has explicitly ruled it out when Poto Williams floated it."
The greatest challenge to the PM is not keeping that promise. After all she specifically ruled out penalties for people choosing not to get vaxxed. She promised no new taxes, and then introduced multiple new levies, amended the brightline test and changed tax deductibility rules for landlords.
No, the greatest challenge is thinking of yet another way to twist the English language to breaking point to actually introduce rent controls without calling them that. I have every confidence she will figure it out.
She said they weren't considering rent controls at the time of that Ryan Bridge interview last week. Who knows, they might well be considering them now.
I'd expect to see all rents take a very solid tick upwards in the expectation of a flat period.
That's already happening though. Up 5.8% in the past year according to Shaw's speech.
The problem with rent controls is that it creates an incentive for rental owners to sell (especially if they see that they've taken the bulk of the capital gain out of the property already). If they're within the 10 year margin, then they may wait out a few years until they're in the 'free' zone.
Let them sell. If they're the greedy bastards, better they get out of this sector. Government can buy them, or local bodies, or NGOs or any number of people who have a commitment to ending the housing crisis and won't rip people off.
And, when they sell, they're almost inevitably going to sell to owner-occupiers (not that that's a bad thing, in itself), but it reduces the rental housing stock.
Why inevitably? Government can probably regulate that anyway.
"Why inevitably? Government can probably regulate that anyway."
It's hard to see how the Government can regulate *who* you sell to!
And 'inevitably' to owners, since a rent-freeze would make it highly unlikely that investors (owning to rent) would be bidding.
Yes, you take the investors out of the bidding – but, unless there is massive new build going on (minimum of 10x the consents we're seeing ATM) – the prices will still be driven up by owner-occupier competition.
Every auction I've been to in the last 18 months (just locally in our neighbourhood – tire kicking to see what's happening) – has had 8-10 potential owner-occupiers seriously interested. There's a long way to go before that need/desire is mopped up by new builds.
It's hard to see how the Government can regulate *who* you sell to!
Why? If rentals have to be registered with Tenancy Services, then when they are put up for sale, the landlord is required to let TS know, and the Crown gets first dibs.
And 'inevitably' to owners, since a rent-freeze would make it highly unlikely that investors (owning to rent) would be bidding.
Ae, so we need those houses being sold by current landlords to be bought and kept out of the private market. Local and central govt, NGOs and Iwi, community land trusts etc, anyone that's not going to see it as an investment that needs a big capital gains. Housing as homes again.
Why? If rentals have to be registered with Tenancy Services, then when they are put up for sale, the landlord is required to let TS know, and the Crown gets first dibs.
The Crown literally doesn't have the money to buy every rental house that comes up for sale.
Also, do you want the headlines that we've already seen, over KO competing with first-time buyers!
The Crown needs to be adding to the housing stock, not competing to buy existing housing.
The Crown doesn't have to pay for every landlordee sale, they're can be the regulatory body that ensures rental numbers don't drop drastically (assuming this is an actual problem).
Also, do you want the headlines that we've already seen, over KO competing with first-time buyers!
That's largely an issue for Labour's messaging and public education team. Unless you are suggesting that KO shouldn't buy rentals instead of first home buyers.
The Crown needs to be adding to the housing stock, not competing to buy existing housing.
Why? What's wrong with shifting rentals out of the investor class into the hands of people who will prioritise tenants?
The Crown doesn't have to pay for every landlordee sale, they're can be the regulatory body that ensures rental numbers don't drop drastically (assuming this is an actual problem).
Well, who *will* pay for the sales? The various NGOs who do community housing are absolutely strapped for cash. Unless the government stumps up, I don't see where the money is to come from?
If the proposal is to take the properties at a government-mandated lower price under the Public Works Act (or something similar), I'd say that the government would fall. Too much of the voting class in NZ has very substantial amounts of their wealth locked up in housing.
Also, if there are restrictions on landlord sales, there's going to be a huge temptation to find ways around the restrictions (a bit like all of the ways around Muldoon's rent freeze in the 1980s).
A simple way is for another family member to 'buy' the rental property, and then lease it to the family member who wants it. Technically, no change in the 'rental' status, but practically the same as owner-occupier purchase.
A government policy to "shift rentals out of the investor class" is, I think, politically unsaleable to the NZ electorate.
Well, who *will* pay for the sales? The various NGOs who do community housing are absolutely strapped for cash. Unless the government stumps up, I don't see where the money is to come from?
KO, local govt, NGOs that do have funding, Iwi, Community Land Trusts, co-operatives, private buyers or organisations that are willing to commit to keeping the property out of the property market for a longer period of time and to accept rent caps. Lots of options appear when we centre values, in this case the provision of stable homes. Most of my suggestions need clear thinking people to set up models that can be easily replicated. This is what I mean about the importance of imagination. Once we can see how it can be done, then we can get on with organising it.
Also, if there are restrictions on landlord sales, there's going to be a huge temptation to find ways around the restrictions (a bit like all of the ways around Muldoon's rent freeze in the 1980s).
What kind of ways around?
A simple way is for another family member to 'buy' the rental property, and then lease it to the family member who wants it. Technically, no change in the 'rental' status, but practically the same as owner-occupier purchase.
Depends on whether they intend to maximise capital gains, and whether they intend to use high rents to generate income.
A government policy to "shift rentals out of the investor class" is, I think, politically unsaleable to the NZ electorate.
Yeah, but that's probably because you're looking at worst case or bad designs that I'm not suggesting.
Recent research showed a very large number of NZers want house prices to drop, and a big chunk of those want them to drop a lot, so I think the electorate would respond to creative and clearly communicated initiatives atm.
I don’t however believe that Labour are the people to do that, it’s not their forte. It needs to be driven by people that get it.
Depends on whether they intend to maximise capital gains, and whether they intend to use high rents to generate income.
It doesn't actually matter from the perspective of the net-loss to the rental system.
And 'depends' issues result in massive bureaucracy and/or avoidance as each one is litigated. We're already seeing this in the shift to 10-years for the bright line test, with variability depending on when/how much of the time a property has been rented (anecdata from a friend in the IRD)
Before the IRD got involved, it was really typical for families to rent out to family members for reduced rentals. IRD perceived this (probably correctly) as a tax avoidance measure (effectively resulting in a 'loss' against the property).
KO, local govt, NGOs that do have funding, Iwi, Community Land Trusts, co-operatives, private buyers or organisations that are willing to commit to keeping the property out of the property market for a longer period of time and to accept rent caps.
Realistically, I don't see any of the above having the capital to do this on any substantial scale. And, Local government, at least, are generally trying to divest themselves of community housing (and finding few buyers – KO and NGOs aren't interested).
While many NZers – especially those who bought houses 10 years or more ago, and don't have large mortgages – are would welcome a gentle downwards trend on house prices. I don't see that this proposal would in any way achieve this.
Realistically, we have an under-supply of houses for our population. [Setting aside these reported ghost houses]
The only thing which can fix this is building more accommodation (in multiple flavours – including tiny homes). I do see that the various bodies doing sustainable renting (KO, NGOs, etc.) have a role to play in adding to the housing stock – but driving up prices (if KO wins the auction, by definition the price is higher than it would have been for the next-lowest bid); or mandating sales at a lower price, is not a vote winner.
Also the current headlines about the appalling situation with KO refusing to evict socially disruptive/criminal tenants – does them no favours in encouraging the rest of NZ to believe that the government is a responsible landlord
Every auction I've been to in the last 18 months (just locally in our neighbourhood – tire kicking to see what's happening) – has had 8-10 potential owner-occupiers seriously interested. There's a long way to go before that need/desire is mopped up by new builds.
The problem Labour has is that its central premise is daft. Building houses for the private market will push prices up long before we get enough houses for there to be an excess. There are of course a lot of ways around that, and they all start with values. If you centre homes and families instead of the investor classes, then the solutions roll out in front of you.
For instance, they could regulate the emerging tiny home sector in favour of people that want to live in tiny homes. This takes a big pressure off rentals and increases the pool of homes available. Building a TH is quick and easy and can easily be done to standards. The govt and local govt need to get together and resolved the land rental issues that go with that. That's not happening in a good way, because too many people lack the imagination to know what to do. And because our values are still around things other than people.
I'd see the tiny homes as being more of a small town/city thing? Or outer edges of big cities. There simply isn't the land available for them in larger cities – Auckland, for example, has already been heavily subdivided for infill housing for the last 40 years – there's little free space available. [NB: this is also an issue for intensification – instead of having to buy (and have willing sellers) of, say, 3 properties, in order to put up an apartment/town house development; potential developers now have to buy 8-10 – which is exponentially harder/more expensive.
In my local suburb, solidly middle class Auckland (I bought there 30 years ago – couldn't afford to, today) – we're seeing sleepouts being added to already-tiny back gardens – and consequent run-off issues getting worse. So not a great ecological solution.
From what I have heard from the government, they seem to realise that rent controls are a stupid idea, as is reinforced by a lot of evidence, and economists.
For instance this article on the topic in "Stuff"the other day:
Or as is the case in Holland where social housing makes up most of the rentals, and rent controls are part of the mix. People have to wait up to seven years for a rental there:
“It seems like a deceptively simple thing to do: just stop rents rising and everything will be fine,” Eaqub said. “But it isn’t that simple, there are known consequences.
“It means that we are likely to have fewer new rentals. Look at San Fransisco or New York: the people who got rent-controlled flats, it was great for them. But slowing the supply of rental housing is bad for anyone else who tried to live in those places.”''
Or, in Holland, where social housing makes up a large percentage of rentals, and rent controls are in the mix, and where people have to wait up to seven years for a rental:
“Renting in the Netherlands is common among both locals and expats. Around 40% of Dutch people rent their homes. The country has a high level of social housing, with housing associations owning around 75% of rental properties.
Rents are assessed and controlled for low-value properties, and in some areas there are restrictions on who is allowed to live where, giving priority to those with a strong connection to the area, such as having been born there, having family in the area, or working nearby.”
I have been a landlord for many years and AFAIK the only 'cut' property managers get is the extra commission on the weekly rent. Any decision around the level of rentals is made by us and no-one else.
The government has essentially been "punishing'' landlords by creating unpleasant outcomes for being a landlord.
As classical conditioning suggests, punishment tends to reduce a given behaviour. In this case, classical conditioning theory would suggest that landlords would reduce the supply of houses for rent.
So for all the talk of progress on housing, Labour have delivered an increase in state rentals of 1.2%, and an increase in the waiting list of almost 400%.
Yes, and their failure on their 100000 houses promise.
So, the government hasn't really been helping the situation, on the supply side. And, from hearing the prime minister, Poto Williams, and Megan Woods, they all seem to realise that the supply side is where the problem is.
Well, if they're 'ghost' houses, then actually that's what's happened. The landlords are out of the rental housing game.
Whether they're doing Air BNB, holding for capital gain, holding for family members repatriating from overseas, or it's the family batch – the reality is that this housing stock is not available on the rental market – so they're no longer landlords.
Now, if you say that 'owning housing' is the best game in town (pretty much all in capital gains), then you probably have a good argument. It's difficult to see another investment that has had the same return over the last 5 years – and no sign that house prices have stopped rising (though the rate at which they're rising has slowed).
yes the 'war on landlords' meant landlords said they would sell up and get out….reality…just joking..still the best game in..town!
Comprenez?
They werelandlords; but are no longer renting out the house AKA ghost house (because of one of the other reasons, above). You don't have to sell the house to stop being a landlord.
This strikes me as an odd argument. Why did supply slow down? Regulate that as well.
Besides, from your link,
But the Green Party’s Chlöe Swarbrick believes it wasn’t the controls themselves which caused these problems.
“If you look at a place like San Francisco where some people say rent controls have reduced housing supply, it’s actually the loopholes in the rent controls that have enabled landlords to move their buildings to other uses easily,” she said.
When a landlord sells a property, it doesn't disappear (what economists call being fungible). It becomes the property of a homeowner, who may have been a renter before – not necessarily a bad outcome.
If it was a case that there was an endless circle where a landlord sells a house, a home owner buys that house and vacates their own house, the supply of houses would stay constant.
But that isn't always the case. Quite often a house will be purchased by a couple like my son and his partner who were living with us up until purchasing their house.
If the house that has been purchased is from a landlord who was renting to say a family of four, then the young couple, previously living with their parents, has just displaced a family of four.
So, this is one reason why the reason why a reduction in rental supply can actually be a big problem.
But that situation only exists because we don't have enough houses available to be homes. The solution isn't to let landlords dictate rent rates (because that is a clear conflict of interest), but instead to create more low cost housing.
And that shouldn't be building houses for the private market. If we want to get ahead of this, we have to build housing that isn't for speculation and investment. Social housing (central and local govt), Iwi and NGOs, community land trusts etc. This is the only way to stop house prices from rising.
yeah, sorry, should have been clearer. If we want housing to ever be affordable again, we have to increase the number of houses without adding them to the property market fire.
I doubt that stamp duties or levies would stop rises, but agree they would slow them.
Labour are in danger of stuffing this up badly. Hills has been hand picked by Jacinda, in my opinion because she needs a puppet in the mayoral seat to get 3 Waters over the line. He's a lightweight who will get eaten alive by the toxic Auckland Council culture.
Hills was handpicked by Labour. He had Goff's backing, and had a campaign team in place. Then he appears to have lost his bottle. Collins will be laughing out loud.
A young man dips his toe into the waters. Withdraws. Been there, done that. Nothing to do with 'bottle' or 'hand-puppeteering'.
I find that people's reckons tell us more about them than their target. True of my time, too.
Family reasons eventually predominated. But what my political opponents came up with…. well, some had obviously learnt their politics from some very unreasonable and vindictive people.
He didn't 'dip his toes in'. He's been working on this for months, putting a team together. The indications are he's got cold feet at the thought of either a) facing down the council toxins, or b) facing off against Collins.
If he is the only serious Labour/left wing candidate, there will be far less vote splitting on the left.
2. If he is the only serious Labour/left wing candidate, he will receive more funding and ground support.
3. City Vision would likely have backed Hills over Collins. Hills is woke and malleable. Collins is principled and independent. CV are a powerful force in Auckland local politics.
4. The most obvious one – Hills was a serious contender, supported by the endorsement of both Labour and the sitting mayor. He's gone.
Theoretically that's correct, but in practice most (if not all) western economies find a balance somewhere in between. I'm a supporter of private enterprise, but understand full well that we elect governments to govern, to plan, to protect the citizenry, to take care of the poor and needy, and to regulate the excesses of the market.
In fact there are many examples of precisely the opposite of what Shaw is saying. An example of socialising benefit is when wages increase and the government keeps the bracket creep. An example of privatising cost is the significant increase in public servants in recent years, paid for out of private sector taxes.
I think you missed his point. Maybe read or listen to the speech. He's talking about why we have the climate, eco, housing, poverty etc crises, that there is an underlying reason. He's not making a statement about all economic factors.
I've listened to the speech. He specifically contrasts the economic response to the pandemic against conventional economics (his example is the debt to GDP ratio, but he's talking more broadly). His point, which he builds on, is that a new approach is required, and that is one of considerably more government intervention. I think he's off his trolley, but he can't be accused on ambiguity.
An often noted delusion of right wingers is that work done by the State sector is a "cost" born by business".
The obvious example is State education. "A cost" when supplied by the State, and a benefit when the same work is done by a private company" is patently rediculous.
Resources and a countries capabilities depend on the work of everyone. Employees, State or private, are not, "a cost".
Soon, with essential workers, we will see again who are costs!
The "cost" of having State services is small, compared with the "cost" of not having them.
In fact, pointless jobs are far more common in the private sector. Someone even wrote a book about it.
If you consider State employed Teachers, Doctors, Health administrators, technicians, council staff, et al, a "cost" you are in cloud cockoo land. Their work contributes more value to our society and economy than most private business. In fact business couldn't survive without it. Try being in business without contract law.
The problem with the State service is recent Governments tried to run it like a private business, rather than a service. Cutting out and privatising essential parts. A problem the right wing contempt for the State sector is entirely responsible for. The Mangerial cult has taken over. Sidelining the competent technocrats trhat used to run them.
Funny the right wing insist we have to pay private sector managers a fortune to do their jobs. But oppose paying essential workers like Teachers and Hospital orderlies a decent wage.
"The "cost" of having State services is small, compared with the "cost" of not having them."
That isn't how accounting works.
The cost would be recorded as such:
Dr Cost
Cr Bank
That's money never to be seen again. So we should keep it to an absolute minimum. Meaning getting rid of all the PR spinners this government has added.
If you consider State employed Teachers, Doctors, Health administrators, technicians, council staff, et al, a "cost" you are in cloud cockoo land. Their work contributes more value to our society and economy than most private business.
The salaries paid for the various flavours of public servants are the cost. The resulting benefits of the essential work they do are shared across society. So an example of both costs and benefits being socialized – both sides of the ledger, as it were.
The problems arise when either the benefits fail to eventuate (dropping achievement standards in maths for example), or the costs increase for little or no benefit (spin doctors in the public service – to use Gypsy's example).
Of course, in all socialized services there are individual benefits as well (a good education is a privatized benefit to the student and/or their family, as well as being a general shared benefit across society).
But, as a general rule, when a socialized cost increases, the public should also look for an increased benefit to society.
Part of the issue with all of our western democracies is this mixing of socialized and privatized costs and benefits: e.g. when petrol goes up, it's not only a private cost; but, because the government charges taxes and levies on petrol, it's also a socialized cost – the government is gaining more revenue, but needs to show where this is being spent for the benefit of society.
Quite readable from GC (I do wish that werewolf would put a https on their links).
I don’t think that it likely that Putin is interested in doing the whole of pre-1914. Trying to control that number of ethnicities was a major headache for the tsarists and even more of an issue for a economy that is roughly the same size of New York city. The economies in Europe like Finland and the other baltic states plus Poland are rapidly growing and would be extremely hard to digest. Even the citizens of Ukraine appear to have no appetite for getting back in the rather anaemic Russian economy with its fragile oil state economy.
All fertile grounds for widespread insurgency and guerrilla warfare.
Putin was in East Germany as a intelligence officer when the Soviet Union was disintegrating. I’m pretty sure that he’d be aware of the futility of trying to hold a population used to a better standard of living that isn’t interested in being dominated by a foreign culture and political system.
You are what your hat says at the protest at Parliament: Gun City
Too many children are still there in the lines up near the front, including one on the shoulders of his mother…….makes me sad to see this. Concerned about getting the vaccination for your child but not concerned enough to keep them safe at the protest Even folk peacefully protesting have no guarantee that they will be safe, they cannot know the ideas of the leaders and ne'er do wells there Arp and Alpe and Counterspin. .
Winston looks like he might be trying to tap into the protest sentiment in Wellington. His tweets in the past 48 hours looks like he will be going after the anti-madate vote.
This is my favourite song on middle-class hypocrisy. It doesn't have the same impact as in the 80s when the Cambodian example of extreme collectivist uber-authoritarianism packed a real punch. I'm not sure if many remembers Pol Pot anymore.
Is anyone getting why people are angry at the derision directed at everyday people trying to express themselves? At their frustration?
I will reply to those who responded to my reply later, when I've lost some of this anger.
I'm grateful if something was corrected to allow me to post again. Thankyou
Not to forget that the band achieved some standing in 1981 for "appearing" in the NZ charts, with this song. Though it was never played on Ready to Roll for some reason 🤔
"Is anyone getting why people are angry at the derision directed at everyday people trying to express themselves? At their frustration"
Barking up the wrong tree, looking for empathy round this place. Too many elderly/retired, centrists, work from home, white collar professional types.
Just a day or so, in an OP, tourism jobs that have been lost in the disruptions were dismissed as low wage positions that NZ was better off without. May be true, but those jobs belonged to people that were putting food on the table and shoes on the feet of their children. People that are hurting now.
Sometimes the comfortable, authoritarian, righteous opinions expressed have you questioning what a socialist is nowadays.
My favourite observation on middle class hypocricy comes from Frankie Boyle. 'If anything I say offends you, be sure to Tweet your outrage on a phone made by an 8 year old.'
Kennedy's fun fact. When DKs were being prosecuted for obscenity by PMRC (Tipper Gore anyone?), the best witness they had was John Denver. He took apart the prosecution with his testimony concerning Rocky Mountain High.
An article from those exciting times, so far removed from where we are now.
"Ordinary people" are on the whole doing rather better at present.
Unemployment down, wages on the rise and a whole bunch of shockingly poor employers having to up their game.
The protesters are not "ordinary people". We are getting on with the job, with 100% of my essential workplace vaccinated, and masked and taking other precautions, where necessary.
The “ordinary people” around me, with only one or two exceptions amoungst several hundred, consider the protesters a bunch of dangerous ignorant clowns.
Stewart Island community is now split. May I suggest to the store owner that when these big noting chicken littles find importing supplies from the mainland too much of a hassle and decide to go back to the store, you tell them to piss off.
Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods ,the local chemist who’s always been open 24/7 is closing on a Sunday. Why? They have lost six staff – two who decided to go back to India.
And not far from the chemist is three upmarket flats. One which houses a JP I sometimes use for legal work. She is now looking for accommodation. Yeah, good luck with that.
And talkback is now carrying ads for reasonably high end jobs.
But the good news is we have a low Covid death rate.
But the good news is we have a low Covid death rate.
The sheer ignorance and callousness of this statement leaves me breathless!
Well, I'm sure Blade hasn't realised it yet, so let me be the first to point this out to him: dead people don't contribute much to the economy. They don't shop at H&Ms, they don't buy big macs or flat whites, they don't purchase petrol or take public transport.
Nearly a million people in the USA have ceased contributing to the economy, over 100,000 in the UK and so on.
So, for reasons well beyond the comprehension of Blade, the good news is that we have a low covid death rate!
''The sheer ignorance and callousness of this statement leaves me breathless!''
Emotional nonsense the Left are well known for.
''Dead people don't contribute much to the economy. They don't shop at H&Ms, they don't buy big macs or flat whites, they don't purchase petrol or take public transport.''
Neither do :
1- The mentally ill.
2- The unemployed.
3- Businesses that have closed.
4- People who can't wait to leave ''the cage.''
5- People on the breadline.
6- A new generation of under educated kids ( due to Covid and Lefty ideology).
Anyone who can add to the list, please do.
''Nearly a million people in the USA have ceased contributing to the economy, over 100,000 in the UK and so on.''
''They can absorb those numbers better ( US has158 million workers). We can't in my opinion.''
''So, for reasons well beyond the comprehension of Blade, the good news is that we have a low Covid death rate!''
What pisses me off with people like you is because I try to look at things in a reasonable unemotional way, I'm a heartless bastard.
We have done all we can do to protect ourselves going forward. What else can we do? Carry on peeping from behind the curtain?
Again, I'm sorry to have to point this out to you, but all of the above categories can be remedied. Death, on the other hand, tends to be a little more permanent.
As the Nigerian PM said, early in the pandemic, and something RW fwits cannot grasp, -:
"We know how to revive a dead economy, we've yet to learn how to revive a dead person."
Good for you. If you are double vaxxed and maybe had a booster, go for it. You have done all you can for your health. There has to be a balance between caution and actually getting on with life.
"A new generation of under educated kids ( due to Covid and Lefty ideology".
In real life, not your RW fantasy world, "A new generation" of kids that currently have jobs "due to covid and lefty idealogy".
1. As if the right wing ever cared about the "unproductive" mentally ill.
2. Ditto unemployed. Which is way down in the real world, see above.
3. Business closure rates overall are not greatly above normal. Some are not surprising in a pandemic. Countries with RW Governments have had the highest rates of business failures during covid.
Don't the RW believe in Capitalism? "Businesses which are unprofitable should be allowed to fail" to make way for more efficent businesses". In fact, in Northland, building, and other businesses are doing much better than normal. Aucklanders are spending in NZ not overseas. Cafes are pretty full.
4. "People who can't wait to leave the cage". Travel is a priveledge in normal times, only for a small proportion of New Zealanders. A fruit picker required to be available 365 days of the year on minimum wage, doesn't travel.
5. People on the "breadline" has dropped. See unemployment.
6. "Undereducated kids". Who now have jobs to aspire to! Nice to see local kids serving in local businesses and gaining apprenticeships. Spots that were formerly filled by backpackers, trained immigrants and temporary visa workers. Hell, the local growers have even had to offer minimum wage.
hardly. Some of the community are pissed at a local business owner and acting accordingly. I don't think this is lightly done, but there may well be history.
Where would you suggest that they start? I can't think of anything they have done except the pre-vaccine period of Covid 19 in the first part of 2020. Before March 2020 and since about October 2020 everything they have touched has turned to dross.
I was a target of criminal harassment on and off for 20 years. In my case it was covert and I had no idea who was responsible. I went to my Public Service bosses and they did nothing. I went to the police and they did nothing. I approached others for assistance and they also did nothing. It seemed like nobody cared. Years later I discovered the identity of the person responsible but still nobody did anything because by then… there had been too much water under the bridge.
The damage done took me many years to overcome and I now know she also did the same sort of thing to other people but with less consistency. The over-all damage she caused was immense.
The moral of the story:
The powers-that-be allowed her to get away with the conduct and she therefore felt enabled to continue with impunity. And I see the same thing happening with these anti-vax/anti-mandate protesters. The more they are allowed to get away with, the more enabled they will feel, and the worse things could become.
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Luxon speaks in Parliament yesterday about the Abuse in Care report. Photo: Hagen Hopkins/Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:PM Christopher Luxon said yesterday in tabling the Abuse in Carereport in Parliament he wanted to ‘do the ...
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Some of the recent announcements from the government have reminded us of posts we’ve written in the past. Here’s one from early 2020. There were plenty of reactions to the government’s infrastructure announcement a few weeks ago which saw them fund a bunch of big roading projects. One of ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Thursday, July 25 are:News: Why Electric Kiwi is closing to new customers - and why it matters RNZ’s Susan EdmundsScoop: Government drops ...
Hi,I felt a small wet tongue snaking through one of the holes in my Crocs. It explored my big toe, darting down one side, then the other. “He’s looking for some toe cheese,” said the woman next to me, words that still haunt me to this day.Growing up in New ...
Yesterday I happily quoted the Prime Minister without fact-checking him and sure enough, it turns out his numbers were all to hell. It’s not four kg of Royal Commission report, it’s fourteen.My friend and one-time colleague-in-comms Hazel Phillips gently alerted me to my error almost as soon as I’d hit ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 25, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:The Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquirypublished its final report yesterday.PM Christopher Luxon and The Minister responsible for ...
The Official Information Act has always been a battle between requesters seeking information, and governments seeking to control it. Information is power, so Ministers and government agencies want to manage what is released and when, for their own convenience, and legality and democracy be damned. Their most recent tactic for ...
TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:Transport and Energy Minister Simeon Brown is accelerating plans to spend at least $10 billion through Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) to extend State Highway One as a four-lane ‘Expressway’ from Warkworth to Whangarei ...
I live my life (woo-ooh-ooh)With no control in my destinyYea-yeah, yea-yeah (woo-ooh-ooh)I can bleed when I want to bleedSo come on, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)You can bleed when you want to bleedYea-yeah, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)Everybody bleed when they want to bleedCome on and bleedGovernments face tough challenges. Selling unpopular decisions to ...
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Given the crackdown on wasteful government spending, it behooves me to point to a high profile example of spending by the Luxon government that looks like a big, fat waste of time and money. I’m talking about the deployment of NZDF personnel to support the US-led coalition in the Red ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:40 am on Wednesday, July 24 are:Deep Dive: Chipping away at the housing crisis, including my comments RNZ/Newsroom’s The DetailNews: Government softens on asset sales, ...
As I reported about the city centre, Auckland’s rail network is also going through a difficult and disruptive period which is rapidly approaching a culmination, this will result in a significant upgrade to the whole network. Hallelujah. Also like the city centre this is an upgrade predicated on the City ...
Today, a 4 kilogram report will be delivered to Parliament. We know this is what the report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care weighs, because our Prime Minister told us so.Some reporter had blindsided him by asking a question about something done by ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 24, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Beehive:Transport Minister Simeon Brownannounced plans to use PPPs to fund, build and run a four-lane expressway between Auckland ...
NewstalkZB host Mike Hosking, who can usually be relied on to give Prime Minister Christopher Luxon an easy run, did not do so yesterday when he interviewed him about the HealthNZ deficit. Luxon is trying to use a deficit reported last year by HealthNZ as yet another example of the ...
Back in January a StatsNZ employee gave a speech at Rātana on behalf of tangata whenua in which he insulted and criticised the government. The speech clearly violated the principle of a neutral public service, and StatsNZ started an investigation. Part of that was getting an external consultant to examine ...
Renting for life: Shared ownership initiatives are unlikely to slow the slide in home ownership by much. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:A Deloittereport for Westpac has projected Aotearoa’s home-ownership rate will ...
You're broken down and tiredOf living life on a merry go roundAnd you can't find the fighterBut I see it in you so we gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsWe gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsAnd I'll rise upI'll rise like the dayI'll rise upI'll rise unafraidI'll rise upAnd I'll ...
There’s been a change in Myers Park. Down the steps from St. Kevin’s Arcade, past the grassy slopes, the children’s playground, the benches and that goat statue, there has been a transformation. The underpass for Mayoral Drive has gone from a barren, grey, concrete tunnel, to a place that thrums ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global society may have finally slammed on the brakes for climate-warming pollution released by human fossil fuel combustion. According to the Carbon Monitor Project, the total global climate pollution released between February and May 2024 declined slightly from the amount released during the same ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Tuesday, July 23 are:Deep Dive: Penlink: where tolling rhetoric meets reality BusinessDesk-$$$’sOliver LewisScoop:Te Pūkenga plans for regional polytechs leak out ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 23, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Health: Shane Reti announcedthe Board of Te Whatu Ora-Health New Zealand was being replaced with Commissioner Lester Levy ...
Health NZ warned the Government at the end of March that it was running over Budget. But the reasons it gave were very different to those offered by the Prime Minister yesterday. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon blamed the “botched merger” of the 20 District Health Boards (DHBs) to create Health ...
Long ReadKey Summary: Although National increased the health budget by $1.4 billion in May, they used an old funding model to project health system costs, and never bothered to update their pre-election numbers. They were told during the Health Select Committees earlier in the year their budget amount was deficient, ...
As a momentous, historic weekend in US politics unfolded, analysts and commentators grasped for precedents and comparisons to help explain the significance and power of the choice Joe Biden had made. The 46th president had swept the Democratic party’s primaries but just over 100 days from the election had chosen ...
TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising ...
The Finance and Expenditure Committee has reported back on National's Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. The bill sets up water for privatisation, and was introduced under urgency, then rammed through select committee with no time even for local councils to make a proper submission. Naturally, national's select committee ...
Some years ago, I bought a book at Dunedin’s Regent Booksale for $1.50. As one does. Vandrad the Viking (1898), by J. Storer Clouston, is an obscure book these days – I cannot find a proper online review – but soon it was sitting on my shelf, gathering dust alongside ...
History is not on the side of the centre-left, when Democratic presidents fall behind in the polls and choose not to run for re-election. On both previous occasions in the past 75 years (Harry Truman in 1952, Lyndon Johnson in 1968) the Democrats proceeded to then lose the White House ...
This is a free articleCoverageThis morning, US President Joe Biden announced his withdrawal from the Presidential race. And that is genuinely newsworthy. Thanks for your service, President Biden, and all the best to you and yours.However, the media in New Zealand, particularly the 1News nightly bulletin, has been breathlessly covering ...
A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
What has happened to it all?Crazy, some'd sayWhere is the life that I recognise?(Gone away)But I won't cry for yesterdayThere's an ordinary worldSomehow I have to findAnd as I try to make my wayTo the ordinary worldYesterday morning began as many others - what to write about today? I began ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent talking about the National-ACT-NZ First Government’s release of its first Emissions Reduction Plan;University of Otago Foreign Relations Professor and special guest Dr Karin von ...
Open access notablesImproving global temperature datasets to better account for non-uniform warming, Calvert, Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society:To better account for spatial non-uniform trends in warming, a new GITD [global instrumental temperature dataset] was created that used maximum likelihood estimation (MLE) to combine the land surface ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi Māori rallied against the Crown’s attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hīkoi of a generation and the birth of Te Pāti Māori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinian’s have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinian’s who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Government’s disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whānau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they can’t escape on ...
Te Pāti Māori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. “This announcement is just another example of the government’s anti-Tiriti, anti-Māori agenda.” Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. “Seymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
National’s Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now it’s been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didn’t declare and said wasn’t pre-arranged. ...
Te Pāti Māori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. “Reinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of Māori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. “This legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whānau out onto the street for no reason” said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “Their solution to the housing ...
“National’s campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,” Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
“There are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
“This government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this government’s agenda and the future of our mokopuna,” said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
“Today’s climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,” Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how they’re taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
Tēnā tātou katoa, Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kōrero, he kōrero, he kōrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of Ngāti Maniapoto, Minister for Māori Development Tama Potaka says. “My thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust – Ngāti Maniapoto for bringing their important kōrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.“I have received Ms Fredric’s resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,” Mr Brown says.“On behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are ‘dangerous changes’ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. “Issues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. “The level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations I’ve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawke’s Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. It’s the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care “Whanaketia – through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,” was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry “Whanaketia – through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “Tax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. “It includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Competitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. “Under current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and Whangārei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “For too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “It is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,” Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. “I am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. “ASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,” Mr Peters says. “This will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. “This $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,” Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealand’s commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says proposed changes to the Education and Training Amendment Bill will ensure charter schools have more flexibility to negotiate employment agreements and are equipped with the right teaching resources. “Cabinet has agreed to progress an amendment which means unions will not be able to initiate ...
In response to serious concerns around oversight, overspend and a significant deterioration in financial outlook, the Board of Health New Zealand will be replaced with a Commissioner, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today. “The previous government’s botched health reforms have created significant financial challenges at Health NZ that, without ...
Minister for Space and Science, Innovation and Technology Judith Collins will travel to Adelaide tomorrow for space and science engagements, including speaking at the Australian Space Forum. While there she will also have meetings and visits with a focus on space, biotechnology and innovation. “New Zealand has a thriving space ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts will travel to China on Saturday to attend the Ministerial on Climate Action meeting held in Wuhan. “Attending the Ministerial on Climate Action is an opportunity to advocate for New Zealand climate priorities and engage with our key partners on climate action,” Mr Watts says. ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the region’s fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministers’ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Government’s plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. “On the ...
The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“Increasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says. “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests. Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone. Distinguished guests, it’s a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealand’s foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
Last summer when Matairangi burned, Ginny and Tom stood at the window of their lounge, watching kākā shoot skyward from the burning trees. From the distance, they looked to Ginny like pages torn from books and thrown into a bonfire. It was Tom, voice tight, who told her it was ...
Opinion: The Canadian short story writer Alice Munro – winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2013 – died in May at the age of 92. Her work was about “the damage people inflict on one another in the name of love”, Deborah Treisman wrote in the New Yorker. ...
This month marks two years since the most powerful telescope ever built sent its first pictures back to earth. From its lofty vantage point, beyond the moon in orbit around the sun, the James Webb Space Telescope was tuned to observe the first stars and galaxies being born soon after ...
Comment: After Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ preview several weeks ago, I had some optimism about the Government’s emissions reduction plan. Now I’ve read the discussion document, that hope has been dashed. How can the Government propose a plan that wants to take New Zealand taxpayers’ hard-earned money, and spend ...
Christopher Luxon: hurdles The little man from National jumps hurdles in his sleep. He’s quite good at it in his dreams and even though the reality doesn’t quite match up you have to give him credit for getting up every morning and crashing into the very first hurdle of the ...
Comment: It was a good two hours into the conversation when Tyrone Marks raised the most basic of questions when I first spoke to him in 2017. “They didn’t explain the things they did to me. They never told me why. And they still haven’t. There’s no explanation for it. ...
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Sigh….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-sir-ian-taylor-speed-up-testing-wait-times-or-nz-will-grind-to-a-halt/AU7R2DQMMETPU3LHZHQHJWA4LI/
According to Taylor the Lucira test provides an accurate result at the level of PCR testing within 30 minutes (find out more about this test in the link below)
https://checkit.lucirahealth.com/
was offered to our government 18 months ago and they still haven't approved it:
"The Lucira test that we reacquainted the MoH with after a year and a half of having done nothing about it, gives a clinically approved, PCR equivalent result in 30 minutes."
And the government wants to conduct its own tests despite it being approved by a number of reputable countries already:
"Despite the number of technically advanced countries in the world that have approved Lucira, the ministry has decided they need to conduct more test of their own. Who knows how long those will take."
Honestly, I just shake my head at this. And this is the organisation who thinks they can administer RATS that we don't have enough of?
There was a guy from one of the testing organisations interviewed on ZB yesterday who was commenting on how the testing system is already under pressure and the Omicron thing has hardly started yet.
The Lucira test would take a lot of the burden off our testing system. But they aren't even approved yet despite the MOH knowing about them for ages.
I read the article and it says it has been tested in a number of countries and submitted to the FDA for approval.
I read they want to send kits to Tonga.
So tell me exactly which countries are actually using the tests on any significant…scale?
More about the test here. Approved for emergency use by the FDA according to this article:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lucira-health-commits-2-million-at-home-molecular-covid-19-test-kits-on-amazon-301474800.html
From the article:
"'In a community trial setting, Lucira™ Check-It results were compared with the Hologic Panther Fusion, which is considered a high-sensitivity molecular test due to its low Limit of Detection ("LOD"). Lucira's accuracy was 98%, correctly detecting 385 out of 394 positive and negative samples in comparison to the Hologic Panther Fusion, excluding ten samples with very low levels of virus (those with very high PCR cycle thresholds of 37.5 or greater) that likely no longer represented active infection. Comparative positive results agreed 97% of the time among this sample, and negative results agreed 98% of the time."
So tell me exactly which countries are actually using the tests on any significant…scale?
From what I can see they are definitely widely used in the US: eg: this from the North Carolina Health department:
https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/about-covid-19/testing/approved-covid-19-home-tests
and they are accepted as proof being Covid-free pre-departure test for entry to the UK for example:
For instance:
https://www.azova.com/uk/deltavirgin/
Pre-departure Test
AZOVA offers the Lucira COVID-19 Home test kit with video observation and a travel pass for pre-departure testing. Take this test under video observation two days before the final leg of your flight to the UK. Testing is simple and takes only 15 minutes.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/05/04/1024450/at-home-covid-test-review-accuracy-binaxnow-lucira-ellume/
And have good reviews compared to the Ellume test used in Australia as the link above shows.
Taylor gives a list of other countries using them, so I suggest you read that article.
The article you posted said a number of countries had tested the kits,did not say they were using them.
You just posted that the FDA gave an emergency clearance ,so unlikely they have widespread…use.
You misunderstand what "emergency use" means. Here is what the FDA define "emergency use" to mean:
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
"The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) authority allows FDA to help strengthen the nation’s public health protections against chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) threats including infectious diseases, by facilitating the availability and use of medical countermeasures (MCMs) needed during public health emergencies."
That seems to cover a wide range of products, and not related to how much they are or are not used.
It looks to me this provision allows them to fast-track products to help keep ahead of the curve.
It relates to vaccines and various things. I am not sure, but it may well be that the Pfizer vaccine is also in this category.
I understand that the “emergency use” provision is to by-pass the normal lengthily approval process that would probably delay many products to such an extent that the pandemic would be over before they could be used.
Actually, that is correct. For instance, the Pfizer vaccine for kids has been approved under the emergency use provisions:
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines#authorized-vaccines
You said….' they are definitely widely used in the US:'-make up your…mind.
All this shows is that "'emergency use" is not the same as "infrequent use" which is what you seemed to be saying previously, unless you also think the Pfizer vaccine is used infrequently….
So far as use in other countries goes, here is a youtube link fro the test in french:
How many positive tests did it get right? At the moment I could be 99.99% right just saying that everyone I meet is negative.
The data I linked to above showed 94% accuracy with a false positive rate of 2%.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines#authorized-vaccines
That compared favourably with the Australian Ellume test which had an accuracy of 95% but a false positive rate of 3%.
Could you give me a direct link. I don't know what you're trying to point me at as it's just a page of links.
Sorry, I pasted the wrong link.
Here it is:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/05/04/1024450/at-home-covid-test-review-accuracy-binaxnow-lucira-ellume/
sigh….just wondering, is Sir Ian considering a political career…and do the Natz have a safe seat available for him…next..year!![laugh laugh](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/teeth_smile.png?x42494)
From interviews I have heard he has claimed to be a Labour fan-boy up until recently, anyway.
TS, hasn’t it got through to you, they are shit, not fit for purpose, the virus has outflanked them. Not suitable for small scale testing ,only large town size testing where known failure assumption calculations can give an overview. They are like asking 3 people in a taxi who they will vote for and extrapolating that out to 5 million.
Evidence? I thought a link to that would be appropriate.
We're not using them and we are one of the biggest private sector employers in the southern hemisphere.
Maybe because they are quite pricey compared to RAT tests. But a lot more accurate than RATS.
From this link:
https://checkit.lucirahealth.com/
"Indication for Use
The Lucira Check It COVID-19 Test Kit is a single-use test kit intended to detect the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 that causes COVID-19. This test is authorized for over-the-counter (OTC) use with self-collected nasal swab samples in individuals with or without COVID-19 symptoms aged 14 and older, and in children aged 2-13 collected by an adult. This test is similar to a PCR test in that it utilizes a molecular amplification technology for the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA.
Positive results are indicative of the presence of SARS-CoV-2. Individuals who test positive should self-isolate and seek additional care from their healthcare provider. Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.
Negative results do not preclude SARS-CoV-2 infection. Individuals who test negative and continue to experience COVID-like symptoms should seek follow up care from their healthcare provider. Negative results are presumptive and confirmation with a molecular assay performed in a laboratory, if necessary, for patient management may be performed.
For use under the Food and Drug Administration’s Emergency Use Authorization only.
Test results can be reported through the LUCI secure portal, to relevant public health authorities in accordance with local, state, and federal requirements."
No we are simply not buying into the bullshit hype, and are trusting our protocols.
Issue with rapid antigen tests has been exposed by a worrying spread of cases in a Melbourne aged care facility — as Australia's health watchdog looks into a number of complaints about the kits from across the nation.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-cases-tear-through-melbourne-aged-care-facility-after-dodgy-rat-results/EMOTVSTN3FWVRZJKNLVMBQWOPI/
Staff at Twin Parks believe their current outbreak could have been avoided.
According to an email seen 9 NEWS, a decision was then made to give all residents in the home's West Wing a PCR test, the results alarmingly revealing at least 20 residents had contracted the virus.
Twin Parks said residents had been tested with two different brands of RATs to confirm their diagnosis, but they provided conflicting results.
Reading that article, it is as much a damning inditement on vaccine efficacy as it is a comment on RATs, despite the headline.
…though we may reconsider that for some cases in light of isolation no longer being required for critical workers, as announced this morning:
Covid-19 Omicron outbreak: Critical workers given isolation exemption – NZ Herald
Cool. Looks like we will qualify for that.
Though I couldn’t see a link for where to apply in the article, which isn’t particularly helpful.
Tone deaf
(A history)
"We don't have any bread? Let them eat cake"
Marie Antoinette explains why she doesn't understand the suffering of the poor in France.
"I hear nothing from that side….."
The Prime Minister explains why she is deaf to the suffering of renters.
She can be deaf,dumb and…blind when she chooses to.
A house is not a home,when there's no one…living…there'
40,009 empty homes in Auckland 'earning' $6000 a week for the past year are not a cause for concern.![angry angry](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/angry_smile.png?x42494)
This is a disgrace, and a government could easily at least try to do something about it.
Unfortunately I can't find the article to link to, but they were predicting that rents will increase significantly in 2022. And the way things are going I think they are correct.
It was One Roof I think… they are loving property rises and predicted rents to rise steeply… a signal to their members?
Thanks Patricia. Although interestingly, I heard an interview on One Zb the other day from a Barfoot & Thompson guy who said last month the market had changed and for the first time the vendors were more keen than the buyers, and possibly the market may have turned slightly to favor buyers more.
Centrist NZ Labour party is hostile to anyone coming from the left. A prime example is this fantastic speech by Chloe Swarbrick yesterday, followed by a bizarre hit piece here today.
Pointing out the difference between the rhetoric and the inaction is unacceptable, be happy with the tepid incrementalism, there is no alternative.
[lprent: Authors opinions are their own, in this case one from advantage. Read the policy about attributing author opinions to anything other than what they think. Plus (FFS) – Advantage does seem to spend a lot of time here telling the NZLP off.
Since you can’t appear to simply deal with an opinion without simply smearing it by implying that it is a NZLP hit, then I can’t see any reason to tolerate your stupidity. It is unacceptable. Banned for 4 weeks for being a complete fuckwit. ]
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https://twitter.com/robsuisted/status/1491205881702535170?s=21
COVID fever fallout continues in Kaitaia. Christian school Abundant Life has been closed by the Ministry of Education due to insufficient available qualified staff. Principal Mark Tan–a previous Natzo would be MP, Mike Sabin was selected–has headed for the hills on a years sabbatical. Tan is anti vaccination and anti mandate. The Far North as ever needs better community leaders.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northland-age/news/abundant-life-school-seniors-in-limbo-after-closure-of-senior-school/EQV4SIBUEO2QBQOBHHB6U4ZSKI/
The police will clear parliament today. The response has been characterised by restraint and de-escalation in order to respect the right to protest and to not give anti-vaxxers the radicalising martyrdom moment many of them clearly want. But it is clear the protesters are not going to go peacefully and continued restraint risks escalation if reinforcement turns up and the crowd tries to storm parliament. The police can't afford to keep 100+ officers tied up 24×7 for weeks and I read in Stuff this morning they've called in 100 extra cops overnight.
The grounds will be cleared today and the whole area closed to the public for the next little while is my guess.
Looks that way, hopefully it doesn't descend into chaos. If it does expect protests to become more disruptive, looking at the forecast I suspect the better response is to let the incoming weather system do it…
The problem is they have a set of inchoate and impossible demands which when combined with threats against politicians and a decentralised organisational structure means there can be no peaceful meeting with the speaker to hand over a petition or something followed by a dispersal – in other words, the symbolic rituals of democracy are not going to be observed by a bunch of people who see themselves through an over-wrought lens of crusading martyrdom.
So just arrest them all.
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Sanctuary
2 June 2012 at 1:21 pm
The idea you need a permit to protest is an oxymoron which I would have thought every liberty loving right winger would denounce – prising your liberty from your Cold dead hands and all that other stuff you hear ad nauseum from the freedom loving lectern lictors of the right.
Of course, when actually called to account to defend ancient liberties and rights in a free society, our righties always disappoint, revealing themselves as petty minded authoritarians obsessed with fussing over the detritus of process as a hollow substitute to defending what they hypocritically spout on every other occasion.
Who is saying they need a permit to protest?
They staged a protest. It was (mostly) peaceful. Now they have a decision to make.
There are basically 2 kinds of protest – limited and unlimited time. The former is common (I've been on marches and the like, I bet many of us have). That was this Convoy, or so we thought. Drive, arrive, speak, leave.
The latter is a sit-in, an occupation. It can work, but usually for a specific, achievable goal (e.g. students at a campus, wanting a change in some college policy).
Is there any such goal here? None apparent. Coffee and a chat with the PM? So what are they staying for? No demands have been issued (of any plausible nature).
Mandates will end at some stage but only the utterly deluded think this protest will influence the decision in any way.
An observational comment. What your replied to was sanctuaries comment on this very same blog from 10 years ago regarding the right to protest.
Yes, I know. I can read.
The right to protest is fundamental, and of course it is not the issue here. You are creating a straw man.
Would you like to engage with the points I made? What are the protesters’ demands, and should they be allowed permanent occupation and disruption until those demands are met? When does that ever happen at protests?
I don't give a fig about your questions.
It's the hypocrisy I find amusing, accept your fucking mandate peasant when Sanc agrees with the mandate, let protests do whatever when Sanc likes the protest, plus bleating on about ancient liberties and rights. most "left" or "approved" protests are quite incoherent as well except for their leadership which is usually exceptional and eloquent.
The right to protest is an issue here.
Disruption is part and parcel of peaceful protest. It occurs whenever large crowds gather. Therefore, is no excuse for denying people of their fundamental right.
Lucky nobody is doing that.
I've protested for years, occupied buildings back in the day. The standard practise when the protest involved trespass (never involved threats to "hang 'em high", but this is a different crowd) was for people to decide whether or not they wished to be arrested. We literally discussed this at meetings. Then, when the tolerance of the authorities had expired, them that wanted to avoid arrest left, and the ones who were cool with it stayed. And we had lawyers set up to advise them, they all knew the process to expect, and they made their decision.
People don't have a right to camp on parliament's lawn in perpetuity. In my day, the Speaker was the nominated owner/occupier of Parliament grounds for trespass orders, and the streets are covered by various obstruction laws (in addition to the catch-all "disorderly behaviour").
This isn't a double standard. These are the rules left wing protestors have lived under for decades.
This protest gives me the impression that having a meeting was never really thought about, let alone having some common fundamentals agreed between the groups.
Someone said 'let's copy the Canadians, that seemed to work so well for them, we'll all drive to Wellington'.
Sounds of gas being filled, 'have I time to write some wonky written anti vax placards? yes! done, zoom, away we go.
The story could continue but suffice to say, they have not got even one tame MP to come to meet them let alone anything to give them that might have been released simultaneously to the media so everyone could see what they are about.
Ardern said while New Zealanders have a right to protest, it's not fair when the lives of the public are disrupted.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-brushes-off-parliament-protest-stand-off-with-police.html
The right to protest doesn't cease when the tolerance of the authorities expires.
As you point out, there are laws in place to deal with any misbehaviour.
People have the right to protest, and people (even the PM) have the right to point out when protestors are being dicks.
The right to protest is not at issue here. What's at issue is the entitlement of fools who think they can jam up downtown traffic for days with zero repercussions.
Most protests, even smallish ones, involve some disruption. Disruption that is tolerated, but not a right. When it becomes more difficult to tolerate disruption than deal with it, the cops can and will arrest. And for some reason the tolerance of the authorities seems to change more according to who is protesting, rather than how – but that's another debate entirely.
Of course it is. The related disruption is being used as an excuse to cease it. When all that is required is to ensure the disruption is minimised.
This is a large grassroots group that have been largely very well behaved.
No, their demands are not incoherent, they want an end to the mandates and reinstatement of the Bill of Rights. That is it. This is reasonable given that omicron evades the vaccine.
This is the first Labour Government to deliberately put people out of work and people are understandably unhappy about this. The powers that be refused to meet with them so they could hand over the paperwork so they are staying until things change.
This is a peaceful protest, the response from our elected officials is not.
"Reinstatement of the Bill of Rights"
The Bill of Rights doesn't need reinstating. It has never been rescinded.
Several court judgments have declared that the mandates are not a breach of the bill of rights and are a <i> justified limitation </i> on society. There is a larger public health purpose at play.
The evidence overseas of the death toll and strain on the health system should be all that is needed to understand what is at risk in New Zealand should the outbreak become even worse.
"…The powers that be refused to meet with them so they could hand over the paperwork…"
The powers that be being the people they are threatening to hang and subject to kangaroo courts, those powers that be? Not unreasonable then to not want to meet with people making regular death threats against you.
And what paperwork? A photocopy of Magna Carta and garbled re-write of the Grand Remonstrance?
Look, these people are breach of public health orders. No one is being deliberately put out of work, they are choosing not to comply with lawful vaccine mandates and the consequences of that. get the vaccine, keep the job.
And this is the whole problem.
they want an end to the mandates and reinstatement of the Bill of Rights. That is it.
People like Fran presume to decide what the protest is really about. Meanwhile the protesters decide it's about various other things. How inconvenient.
From their own words … It's about demanding other people don't wear a mask, it's about children being murdered by a vaccine, it's about making violent threats to journalists (any Bill of Rights for them?), it's about 1080, it's about loving Trump, it's about Counterspin, it's about Ardern being controlled by mysterious forces, and so on, and so on …
Again, those things may not be what you want to protest about, Fran. But you don't get to create your own reality.
If you had bothered to do some research you would know that the organisers were very clear about their purpose and have stayed on message. If you are only getting your information from the mainstream media then of course you would not know that.
My "research" is reading their own words, in their own social media, on their own signs. I bothered, which is why I quoted some of them in my comment.
If you are only getting your information by carefully not reading them, then of course you would not know that. Because – be honest now – you do not want to know.
Is Clarke Gayford in jail for drug dealing? That's "staying on message" – theirs.
You just needed to read the placards carried on the cars and at the protest to know what the message was……gradually throughout yesterday the few anti mandate signs disappeared and today we have had the wrongly spelled ones about PM and others going to be tried per the Nuremberg laws , how vaccine kills, and the stoic guy who waved a flag all day 'Natural immunity 99.6%'
I fully support the right of this unmasked, unvaccinated crowd to hold a protest on the steps of parliament for as long as they like, (until the fall sick and leave of their own free will in embarrassment.
But for goodness sake. At least tow away all their illegally parked vehicles.
I have been to several hikoi and protests at parliament and we never dared illegally park our vehicles.
Why do these right wing protesters get treated with kid gloves by the council parking authorities? When left wing protesters get pulled over and ticketed for the slightest infringement?
The commissioner obviously read my missive to him yesterday.![yes yes](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/thumbs_up.png?x42494)
I thought you rang him on his…mobile number.![indecision indecision](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/whatchutalkingabout_smile.png?x42494)
No, he doesn't talk to ferals on his mobile…only his life coach.
Arresting mothers and the elderly isn't going to make it all go away.
I heard they took one protester away that was sitting in a wheelchair.
Just seen footage of a reasonably young girl catch a fist in the face from police.
They're going to really radicalize people… what a shit show. Fucking sad really.
Footage?
Some of the morons gathered in Wellington want the PM to be like Trump. She could be today.
Get up a posse of police and military, batons, tear gas, rubber bullets and a Bible. Proceed down the steps of Parliament. Deal to the mob and march the staunch march of someone in charge, along the road, round the corner to the Treasury. Wave the Bible in the air.
So many would, be overcame by such a display of authority injections may be needed to revive them.
Now that's a thought!
Glad you're not authoritarian, Peter. Harbouring views about dumb peasants who need to be put in their place.
Did it ever occur to any of you superior types that it just might be the marginalised, that could, and in many cases, are, trying to express what they know of the danger authoritarianism poses?
You are missing the point.
Peter is simply reminding us of exactly what Trump did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John%27s_Church
Of course Ardern will not do that, nor should she, not would any reasonable person want her to be like Trump. But (if you still don't get the irony) …
the protesters with Trump flags want her to.
Where were all these "Freedom protesters" when National search and survaillance bill was passed?
And a fat "meh" from the so called "freedom and rights" advocates on TS when I posted on it at the time.
A much more draconian example of abuse of State power, than necessery measures to keep us safe during a pandemic.
agree KJT, more millions from the sirkey Govt. for the state snoops including life long immunity/anonymity for operatives and extended powers for Govt. Ministries–hardly a squeak out of anyone at the time
Yes.There are protests everywhere when Labour is in power.
I asked striking teachers why they never bothered when the Natz were not interested in raising their pay for 9 years ….their reply…we knew they wouldn't take any…notice.
Dumb peasants of course should not be put in their place – they should choose their own place.
For example they can choose to have all the top positions in fields like immunology and epidemiology in New Zealand. I mean in the past couple of years they have tried to convince me they know more than all the so called experts. I accept they might be marginalised by the fact they are treated as if they are talking shit. Big deal.
I appreciate they might be pissed off that their parents made them do things and they didn't always get their own way from when they were born. Now they are trying to express what they know of the danger authoritarianism poses from their life learning? This is their way of fighting back?
I don't care about that. The choice is to accept manipulative ignorant fuckwits leading other ignorant fuckwits running my world or not.
Someone should open up a mobile coffee shop and start offering the protesters free flat whites, but put a laxative in the coffee. That would get them going.
I am currently watching the live webcam on Radio NZ at parliament grounds. Its kind of facinating!.
Police showing patience, but persistence in holding the line, gradually making a little ground. Periodically arrests are being made…….
I lol'd at their "leader" ducking off to Invercargill to get "reinforcements"
To paraphrase Blackadder, he'll be right behind them – in his case, 994km behind them.
HDPA explains something many misguided acolytes of climate change either don't get, or are wilfully ignoring.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-does-climate-change-really-matter-when-push-comes-to-shove/
It's something that constantly bemuses me – people who tout clean green energy, when in fact it's either not clean and green, or the economic realities at present just don't stack up. Case in point:
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy
Quote:
''There aren't many options to recycle or trash turbine blades, and what options do exist are expensive, partly because the U.S. wind industry is so young. It's a waste problem that runs counter to what the industry is held up to be: a perfect solution for environmentalists looking to combat climate change.''
Talking of nuttiness…what are our fuel prices going to be when Marsden Point closes in a few months time? Labour could have expanded the refinery life, but Labour ministers didn't want to know.
And what of coal?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/03/15/nzs-coal-imports-highest-in-14-years-but-energy-minister-berates-acts-utterly-false-suggestion-why/
There is nothing wrong with moving to green energy production. That is a sane thing to do. But as a rock climbing instructor will tell you, when traversing a rock face, always have three limbs making a solid grip before embarking on your next move. Sage advice.
' Labour could have expanded the refinery life, but Labour ministers didn't want to know.'
I thought the refinery was a private business.
I also understand there was a takeover offer in play ,which had a covenant that the refinery had to close for it to…proceed.
''I thought the refinery was a private business.''
It is. And they shouldn't get a penny from the public purse. But this is a caring Labour gummint with lush funding for all occasions.
I would think this would be one of those occasions?
Quote:
''A Cabinet paper released in November revealed that Energy Minister Megan Woods had been willing to consider trying to save the refinery by underwriting its operations for a period of up to 10 years but that the option did not get the support of fellow ministers.''
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127057188/no-last-minute-reprieve-for-marsden-point-oil-refinery
Make up your….mind.
There will be, a short break, while Blade finds out what David Seymour's position on the subject is, today!
Dave Seymour is now…yesterdays news. A little like this gummint at the next election.
Wishin' and hopin'![laugh laugh](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/teeth_smile.png?x42494)
and thinkin'and prayin'That's how you start the ball rolling.
The refinery is reaching the end of it's design life, and is also too small compared to overseas refineriesto be economic.
Keeping it open is more likely to increase, not reduce, overall energy costs.
And. Buying into the anti Green energy propaganda, by claiming Green energy is “not a perfect solution, so we should stay with hydrocarbons”, is the sort of bullshit the tobacco industry used. Worthy of Chris Bishop at his tobacco lobbyist, bullshitting best.
You really should read:
''There is nothing wrong with moving to green energy production. That is a sane thing to do. But as a rock climbing instructor will tell you, when traversing a rock face, always have three limbs making a solid grip before embarking on your next move. Sage advice.''
Poor analogy.
But. To carry on with it. The fossil fuel industry, and those you are quoting, want us to stay on the rock face, without ever going to the next pitch, until we lose our grip and fall.
Propaganda about the supposed inefficiencies and costs of more sustainable energy, is meant to keep the business model going as long as possible. Lessons fossil fuel suppliers have learnt from the tobacco and sugar industries.
''Poor analogy.
But. To carry on with it. The fossil fuel industry, and those you are quoting, wants us to stay on the rock face, without ever going to the next pitch, until we lose our grip and fall.''
Everyone has an agenda in this sphere of activity. Of course the fossil fuel industry will fight for survival. That is fair and just. They will tell bs, just like the bs from the other side I have pointed out.
However, they know, and you should too, that the fossil fuel industry is a finite proposition. I still think it has decades to run, but it's dying as we speak.
Making the next move on the rock face demands a solid foothold. That is something the green energy movement cannot provide at the moment.
For example, this from Google:
''Mr Wilson said a study on EV battery life had recommended full factory replacements as a good, yet expensive, option. Estimates for a full factory replacement on a battery are $7,700 plus fitting for a 24KWH battery on a Nissan Leaf and $35,000 for an 85KWH battery on a Tesla.''
Yeah, a South Auckland family already having their choice of a cheap vehicle curtailed by new car import regulations would not be able to move to an electric vehicle.
Problem number two with electric cars:
The national grid ( including household electricals) will not be able to cope when electric car numbers meet a critical mass.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102240245/power-network-may-struggle-to-deal-with-electric-vehicles
Now this is a debatable issue. But my point again – we don't have a reliable source of green energy that we can say wont cause issues…or if it does, such issues are easily fixed.
You haven't "pointed out BS from the other side".
You have simply repeated BS from the anti more renewable energy side.
The cost of replacement batteries for an EV, for one, is immaterial, when the batteries now available will last longer than the normal life of the rest of the car.
The National grid is in the process of being upgraded. The cost will be a fraction of the ongoing costs of upgrades to our aging fossil fuel infrastructure, by the way.
Kicking the can down the road has gone on for too long.
We have the capability and should have been over 100% more renewable energy in the National grid, over a decade ago. Nationals power “reforms” and lack of action has put us back decades
''The cost of replacement batteries for an EV, for one, is immaterial, when the batteries now available will last longer than the normal life of the rest of the car.''
That's debatable…but?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/20/electric-car-batteries-what-happens-to-them
''The National grid is in the process of being upgraded. The cost will be a fraction of the ongoing costs of upgrades to our aging fossil fuel infrastructure, by the way.''
That's debatable again, and does not consider the upgrade of house power delivery capabilities for many homes. I have read about this and asked an electrician. Even the electrician and his partner couldn't agree on the issue.
I'm more than prepared to switch to greener energy…but for me it won't be until the bugs of delivery ad reliability and economy have been worked out
Waste turbine blades are 2/10ths of fuck all compared to the daily CO2 generated by Huntly.
What the government could do about it is have a more serious chat with the owners of Tiwai Point. MBIE and Minister Wood are being played.
Australians are fuming about their petrol prices hitting $2 a litre.
yea, but have you had a parking ticket or a speeding fine in australia?
In my case the answer is yes and ouch.
Currently, in Victoria, 10 kph over the speed limit will cost you $363 and some demerit points. While I lived there I once got a fine of about $100 for being 2 kph over the 100 kph limit on the Princes Highway from Melbourne to Geelong It is a multilane divided highway.
Mind you when I lived there the Northern Territory, outside the towns, had no speed limit at all. They went all soft in about 2007 though and brought in limits.
Alwyn you have to drive 3 times further to get anywhere in Australia not to mention the congestion in Australia's big cities where most people live.
So while fuel is cheaper per litre you will use a lot more fuel.
Then find a carpark and pay for the toll road as well.
That's why public transport is more widely used.
When I visited rellies in Aussie, I was met at the airport and told they ''lived just up the road.'' Two hours later we were home safe and sound.![sad sad](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/sad_smile.png?x42494)
Our power was out pm for line work. Late joining in here. Travelled NZ Canberra 5 years ago, where we were met by my brother for a three hour drive to Dalmeny NSW, yes distances are close if 3 hours away. Later in our stay we had a one hour drive to meet friends for coffee!! Whole other world. Big vehicles too because…kangaroos.
''Whole other world. Big vehicles too because…kangaroos.''
True, there is no comparison with their understanding of distance and ours.
While we like to think our nations are similar, there are still major differences, both good and bad between the two countries.
I spent the last 18 months of my time in Australia touring the country. All our driving was on sealed roads mind. I knew damn well I shouldn't go on any of the outback tracks. We kept off the road at dawn and dusk. That was when the kangaroos were out and they were very dangerous. They moved so fast and so erratically. I have been told that if they saw 2 lights, your headlights, coming toward them they might jump between them and straight into the middle of your windscreen. With an adult red kangaroo weighing 40 – 50 kilos it would be a spectacular bang.
We loved being out in the outback and things like crossing the Nullabor. The stars are so amazingly bright out there with no settlements or atmospheric pollution.
That sounds like getting met at Mangere and having to get to Mission Bay.
Mind you, given the way most New Zealand drivers behave, I'm not sure you would get there that fast and I wouldn't bet on making it safely.
It was a day of storms and our trip was perhaps made longer dodging all the branches that had come down.
Did they recognise you?
Was it Maloolabaa?
No, Perf.
Yep the tickets are expensive but luckily I only get about one a year, whereas I have to fill up with petrol about 50 times a year!
Have the Yanks hit a $1 yet? That would start another war…somewhere.
On the protests – it's pretty straightforward.
On Tuesday there was a protest, majority peaceful, some nasty aggression from a minority, but overall nothing out of the ordinary.
On Wednesday the majority of protesters left. They had made their point and were a news headline. The remainder were given a day's grace. Meanwhile major disruption continued in central Wellington. The extra day was sufficient.
Today they are being moved on. Let's hope it does not get much worse. But there is no point saying "no need, they can leave Friday or Saturday or whenever". Clearly some have no intention of doing what protesters usually (and sensibly) do … declare victory and leave.
They have no clue what they are doing, because they live in echo chambers but cannot even agree on goals, never mind tactics. They could have scored a PR win, but they've chosen to alienate people instead. Nobody else to blame.
I also think they're politically naive when it comes to strategy, but they may be thinking that another set of headlines of them being arrested is useful to their movement eg see how repressive the state is, sign up to our movement here. And they might not be wrong.
Judging by the social media noise, they blame each other more than anyone.
You can follow developments here:
https://twitter.com/Te_Taipo/status/1491493012404244483
(note the protest "leaders" are getting out of the way, leaving their followers to get arrested. Standard practice by far right agitators, always has been).
It sounds just like the 1981 protests about the Springbok tour. Even down to the protest leaders keeping out of the way. Standard practice by far left agitators, always has been.
Same place too. There were some major protests in Molesworth Street.
Oh, but it takes me back. As Mary Hopkins put it even earlier. "Those were the days my friends"
Anyone with any grasp of the history of the 1981 tour would know that leaders like John Minto were arrested (and assaulted) multiple times.
You probably know it too, but in a laughable attempt to score a point you lie, as usual.
I can only think of a single occasion when Minto was arrested.
You no doubt are an authority. When and where was he arrested on these "Multiple" occasions and what happened at each trial?
I certainly don't remember him leading from the front in Wellington.
Minto and co…are heroes who proved to be on the right side of…history.
The deluded motley protestors/rabble seem to have funds for tents, petrol, time off work (if they are employed/employable). They have no regard for damaging Parliament grounds, or grossly inconveniencing people and businesses in Wellington. The anti-vaxxers among them could get infected with Covid and need medical/hospital treatment so will they accept drug interventions to assist their recovery despite not wanting the vaccine in their body? Will they be grateful to the state for the care they receive? Doubt it.
If you live in Wellington, or visit on occasion, I suggest you visit Shelley Bay. The occupation there has been going on for about 15 months now. It looks exactly like what you are describing.
And todays forecast is rain with a number of falling satellites.
https://www.spacex.com/updates/
https://www.spaceweather.com/images2022/09feb22/kindex_starlink.jpg
spaceweather the constraint on today's technology.
Another geomagnetic CME will hit in the next few hours.
https://www.spaceweather.com/images2022/09feb22/justdetected.png
That's the sound of David Seymour's head exploding.
https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1491523178656505857
Yes I think rent controls could well be on the cards in the future, which is why I think some landlords are predicted to increase rents this year while they can. They can only increase once a year but I think they are making it a larger rise to compensate for the less mortgage interest being deductible and the uncertainty of future increases.
In which case I have zero sympathy for the ones doing that if they get burned.
I increased the rent on my property to cover the mortgage interest portion I am no longer able to deduct. Tenant (of over 15 years) was very understanding and the rent is still lower by $100 a week compared to next door identical property that is rented out and managed by a real estate company.
I can't see rent controls happening in this term – especially given Ardern has explicitly ruled it out when Poto Williams floated it.
If it were announced, as a Labour/Greens policy – or even a GP bottom line for negotiations (not that the GP tend to do this) – I'd expect to see all rents take a very solid tick upwards in the expectation of a flat period.
The problem with rent controls is that it creates an incentive for rental owners to sell (especially if they see that they've taken the bulk of the capital gain out of the property already). If they're within the 10 year margin, then they may wait out a few years until they're in the 'free' zone.
And, when they sell, they're almost inevitably going to sell to owner-occupiers (not that that's a bad thing, in itself), but it reduces the rental housing stock.
Currently, there are literally 100s of applicants for each rental house coming available in Auckland (have friends who've been through the process of trying to find a new house). Reducing the housing stock available, increases this pressure: both on new rents (current tenant has left, so rent control no longer applies), and on the careful … selection … of the tenant (solo-mums or people with past credit issues need not apply)
Sounds like a house with people in it, will switch to a house with people living in it, which sounds fine in a housing crisis. But hopefully with controls, both the rent and the purchase of housing might become cheaper.
I don't think NZ has that much specific demand for rentals, everyone I know who rents would rather own, but can't afford it (paying so much in rent is one of the problems). They are not renting for the flexibility or lifestyle.
The rents a large proportion of people pay are the same or more than a mortgage….its getting the deposit and finance that is the…problem,and finding a house to buy without getting outbid by…investors.
"Everyone I know who rents would rather own" – this!
If there is a mortgage on the house, then rent paid by tenants should be regarded as payment (or part-payment) of that mortgage. Tenants would effectively gain equity/part ownership of the house and receive a proportional share of its value when it was sold. A bureaucratic nightmare – but it might help end landlordism.
Hmm. I know a fair chunk of 20-somethings who really don't want to own a home – though they feeling a whole lot of FOMO because of house price rises.
Most of my peers wanted to travel in the 20s, or at least have mobility between cities; and spend their weekends partying, rather than doing house maintenance.
And, there are plenty of people who – regardless of the house prices, will never be in the financial position to put together a deposit and buy a house. Even at the high point of home ownership in the 1990s – there were a good 25% of households renting.
And, the shift from rental property to home ownership tends to reduce the number of people per dwelling: e.g. 3 bedroom property rented to 5 people (2 couples and a singleton) – bought and becomes owner-occupied with 3 people (a couple and a border; or a couple and 1 child).
But she didn't rule rent controls out. She said she wasn't considering them.
When pressed by Ryan Bridge several times on AM the other day, should refused to rule them out during her term as prime minister.
"especially given Ardern has explicitly ruled it out when Poto Williams floated it."
The greatest challenge to the PM is not keeping that promise. After all she specifically ruled out penalties for people choosing not to get vaxxed. She promised no new taxes, and then introduced multiple new levies, amended the brightline test and changed tax deductibility rules for landlords.
No, the greatest challenge is thinking of yet another way to twist the English language to breaking point to actually introduce rent controls without calling them that. I have every confidence she will figure it out.
She said they weren't considering rent controls at the time of that Ryan Bridge interview last week. Who knows, they might well be considering them now.
Ah yes, the true politicians answer.
Yes very clever! Not considering them at the time but next week, may consider them!
That's already happening though. Up 5.8% in the past year according to Shaw's speech.
Let them sell. If they're the greedy bastards, better they get out of this sector. Government can buy them, or local bodies, or NGOs or any number of people who have a commitment to ending the housing crisis and won't rip people off.
Why inevitably? Government can probably regulate that anyway.
It's hard to see how the Government can regulate *who* you sell to!
And 'inevitably' to owners, since a rent-freeze would make it highly unlikely that investors (owning to rent) would be bidding.
Yes, you take the investors out of the bidding – but, unless there is massive new build going on (minimum of 10x the consents we're seeing ATM) – the prices will still be driven up by owner-occupier competition.
Every auction I've been to in the last 18 months (just locally in our neighbourhood – tire kicking to see what's happening) – has had 8-10 potential owner-occupiers seriously interested. There's a long way to go before that need/desire is mopped up by new builds.
Why? If rentals have to be registered with Tenancy Services, then when they are put up for sale, the landlord is required to let TS know, and the Crown gets first dibs.
Ae, so we need those houses being sold by current landlords to be bought and kept out of the private market. Local and central govt, NGOs and Iwi, community land trusts etc, anyone that's not going to see it as an investment that needs a big capital gains. Housing as homes again.
The Crown literally doesn't have the money to buy every rental house that comes up for sale.
Also, do you want the headlines that we've already seen, over KO competing with first-time buyers!
The Crown needs to be adding to the housing stock, not competing to buy existing housing.
The Crown doesn't have to pay for every landlordee sale, they're can be the regulatory body that ensures rental numbers don't drop drastically (assuming this is an actual problem).
That's largely an issue for Labour's messaging and public education team. Unless you are suggesting that KO shouldn't buy rentals instead of first home buyers.
Why? What's wrong with shifting rentals out of the investor class into the hands of people who will prioritise tenants?
Well, who *will* pay for the sales? The various NGOs who do community housing are absolutely strapped for cash. Unless the government stumps up, I don't see where the money is to come from?
If the proposal is to take the properties at a government-mandated lower price under the Public Works Act (or something similar), I'd say that the government would fall. Too much of the voting class in NZ has very substantial amounts of their wealth locked up in housing.
Also, if there are restrictions on landlord sales, there's going to be a huge temptation to find ways around the restrictions (a bit like all of the ways around Muldoon's rent freeze in the 1980s).
A simple way is for another family member to 'buy' the rental property, and then lease it to the family member who wants it. Technically, no change in the 'rental' status, but practically the same as owner-occupier purchase.
A government policy to "shift rentals out of the investor class" is, I think, politically unsaleable to the NZ electorate.
KO, local govt, NGOs that do have funding, Iwi, Community Land Trusts, co-operatives, private buyers or organisations that are willing to commit to keeping the property out of the property market for a longer period of time and to accept rent caps. Lots of options appear when we centre values, in this case the provision of stable homes. Most of my suggestions need clear thinking people to set up models that can be easily replicated. This is what I mean about the importance of imagination. Once we can see how it can be done, then we can get on with organising it.
What kind of ways around?
Depends on whether they intend to maximise capital gains, and whether they intend to use high rents to generate income.
Yeah, but that's probably because you're looking at worst case or bad designs that I'm not suggesting.
Recent research showed a very large number of NZers want house prices to drop, and a big chunk of those want them to drop a lot, so I think the electorate would respond to creative and clearly communicated initiatives atm.
I don’t however believe that Labour are the people to do that, it’s not their forte. It needs to be driven by people that get it.
It doesn't actually matter from the perspective of the net-loss to the rental system.
And 'depends' issues result in massive bureaucracy and/or avoidance as each one is litigated. We're already seeing this in the shift to 10-years for the bright line test, with variability depending on when/how much of the time a property has been rented (anecdata from a friend in the IRD)
Before the IRD got involved, it was really typical for families to rent out to family members for reduced rentals. IRD perceived this (probably correctly) as a tax avoidance measure (effectively resulting in a 'loss' against the property).
Realistically, I don't see any of the above having the capital to do this on any substantial scale. And, Local government, at least, are generally trying to divest themselves of community housing (and finding few buyers – KO and NGOs aren't interested).
While many NZers – especially those who bought houses 10 years or more ago, and don't have large mortgages – are would welcome a gentle downwards trend on house prices. I don't see that this proposal would in any way achieve this.
Realistically, we have an under-supply of houses for our population. [Setting aside these reported ghost houses]
The only thing which can fix this is building more accommodation (in multiple flavours – including tiny homes). I do see that the various bodies doing sustainable renting (KO, NGOs, etc.) have a role to play in adding to the housing stock – but driving up prices (if KO wins the auction, by definition the price is higher than it would have been for the next-lowest bid); or mandating sales at a lower price, is not a vote winner.
Also the current headlines about the appalling situation with KO refusing to evict socially disruptive/criminal tenants – does them no favours in encouraging the rest of NZ to believe that the government is a responsible landlord
The problem Labour has is that its central premise is daft. Building houses for the private market will push prices up long before we get enough houses for there to be an excess. There are of course a lot of ways around that, and they all start with values. If you centre homes and families instead of the investor classes, then the solutions roll out in front of you.
For instance, they could regulate the emerging tiny home sector in favour of people that want to live in tiny homes. This takes a big pressure off rentals and increases the pool of homes available. Building a TH is quick and easy and can easily be done to standards. The govt and local govt need to get together and resolved the land rental issues that go with that. That's not happening in a good way, because too many people lack the imagination to know what to do. And because our values are still around things other than people.
I'd see the tiny homes as being more of a small town/city thing? Or outer edges of big cities. There simply isn't the land available for them in larger cities – Auckland, for example, has already been heavily subdivided for infill housing for the last 40 years – there's little free space available. [NB: this is also an issue for intensification – instead of having to buy (and have willing sellers) of, say, 3 properties, in order to put up an apartment/town house development; potential developers now have to buy 8-10 – which is exponentially harder/more expensive.
In my local suburb, solidly middle class Auckland (I bought there 30 years ago – couldn't afford to, today) – we're seeing sleepouts being added to already-tiny back gardens – and consequent run-off issues getting worse. So not a great ecological solution.
From what I have heard from the government, they seem to realise that rent controls are a stupid idea, as is reinforced by a lot of evidence, and economists.
For instance this article on the topic in "Stuff"the other day:
Or as is the case in Holland where social housing makes up most of the rentals, and rent controls are part of the mix. People have to wait up to seven years for a rental there:
https://www.expatica.com/nl/housing/renting/renting-a-property-in-the-netherlands-102925/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/renting/124995569/explainer-what-are-rent-controls-and-would-they-actually-make-things-better-for-renters
From the article:
"Economist Shamubeel Eaqub agrees that rent controls might have the unintended effect of slowing down supply for the rental market.
“It seems like a deceptively simple thing to do: just stop rents rising and everything will be fine,” Eaqub said. “But it isn’t that simple, there are known consequences.
“It means that we are likely to have fewer new rentals. Look at San Fransisco or New York: the people who got rent-controlled flats, it was great for them. But slowing the supply of rental housing is bad for anyone else who tried to live in those places.”''
Or, in Holland, where social housing makes up a large percentage of rentals, and rent controls are in the mix, and where people have to wait up to seven years for a rental:
“Renting in the Netherlands is common among both locals and expats. Around 40% of Dutch people rent their homes. The country has a high level of social housing, with housing associations owning around 75% of rental properties.
Rents are assessed and controlled for low-value properties, and in some areas there are restrictions on who is allowed to live where, giving priority to those with a strong connection to the area, such as having been born there, having family in the area, or working nearby.”
https://www.expatica.com/nl/housing/renting/renting-a-property-in-the-netherlands-102925/‘
https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/24/7-year-waiting-list-get-social-rental-home-quarter-dutch-municipalities
Countries have rent caps…that are aligned with C.P.I and or inflation.
They make perfect sense.
Often the culprit when it comes to rent hikes is property managers who get a cut….not the owners.
I have been a landlord for many years and AFAIK the only 'cut' property managers get is the extra commission on the weekly rent. Any decision around the level of rentals is made by us and no-one else.
“Countries have rent caps…that are aligned with C.P.I and or inflation.
They make perfect sense.”
I don't agree with that.
The problem with that, and previous recent government moves such as removing rental deductibility etc is basic classical conditioning:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
The government has essentially been "punishing'' landlords by creating unpleasant outcomes for being a landlord.
As classical conditioning suggests, punishment tends to reduce a given behaviour. In this case, classical conditioning theory would suggest that landlords would reduce the supply of houses for rent.
This seems to have been the case:
Otherwise, why are there 200000 ghost houses
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/119636091/200k-empty-ghost-houses-why-and-what-would-get-them-into-the-market
And why was the government housing over 4500 children in motels as at October last year? Likely more now I expect.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018818398/more-children-living-in-motels-as-housing-crisis-unrelenting
"Despite four years of Labour-led governments, the number of state house rentals available has remained largely static (2016 – 67,041 rentals; 2021 – 67,858) while the state house waiting list has soared from 5,000 to 24,546 with half of that number being Māori whanau."
So for all the talk of progress on housing, Labour have delivered an increase in state rentals of 1.2%, and an increase in the waiting list of almost 400%.
Unfortunately…yes. Not a good track record.
Yes, and their failure on their 100000 houses promise.
So, the government hasn't really been helping the situation, on the supply side. And, from hearing the prime minister, Poto Williams, and Megan Woods, they all seem to realise that the supply side is where the problem is.
You just stated there are 200,000 empty homes….where and why is there a supply problem?
One problem is that KO have been tearing down houses and displacing people well before they build replacements.
It is obvious why there are empty houses.
They earn way more than money in the bank and most other investments…just sitting there.
The Govt needs to disincentivise landlord investment in housing imo.
It needs to encourage home ownership and stop pandering to the parasitical FIRE economy.
Or the potential landlords just think the government has made it too much hassle to rent them out?
yes the 'war on landlords' meant landlords said they would sell up and get out….reality…just joking..still the best game in..town!
Well, if they're 'ghost' houses, then actually that's what's happened. The landlords are out of the rental housing game.
Whether they're doing Air BNB, holding for capital gain, holding for family members repatriating from overseas, or it's the family batch – the reality is that this housing stock is not available on the rental market – so they're no longer landlords.
Now, if you say that 'owning housing' is the best game in town (pretty much all in capital gains), then you probably have a good argument. It's difficult to see another investment that has had the same return over the last 5 years – and no sign that house prices have stopped rising (though the rate at which they're rising has slowed).
They are not landlords to start with.
yes the 'war on landlords' meant landlords said they would sell up and get out….reality…just joking..still the best game in..town!
Comprenez?
They are not landlords to start with.
yes the 'war on landlords' meant landlords said they would sell up and get out….reality…just joking..still the best game in..town!
They were landlords; but are no longer renting out the house AKA ghost house (because of one of the other reasons, above). You don't have to sell the house to stop being a landlord.
This strikes me as an odd argument. Why did supply slow down? Regulate that as well.
Besides, from your link,
If it was a case that there was an endless circle where a landlord sells a house, a home owner buys that house and vacates their own house, the supply of houses would stay constant.
But that isn't always the case. Quite often a house will be purchased by a couple like my son and his partner who were living with us up until purchasing their house.
If the house that has been purchased is from a landlord who was renting to say a family of four, then the young couple, previously living with their parents, has just displaced a family of four.
So, this is one reason why the reason why a reduction in rental supply can actually be a big problem.
But that situation only exists because we don't have enough houses available to be homes. The solution isn't to let landlords dictate rent rates (because that is a clear conflict of interest), but instead to create more low cost housing.
And that shouldn't be building houses for the private market. If we want to get ahead of this, we have to build housing that isn't for speculation and investment. Social housing (central and local govt), Iwi and NGOs, community land trusts etc. This is the only way to stop house prices from rising.
' This is the only way to stop house prices from rising.'
Its definately…not.
Stamp duties and levy's would stop them rising by lunchtime.
yeah, sorry, should have been clearer. If we want housing to ever be affordable again, we have to increase the number of houses without adding them to the property market fire.
I doubt that stamp duties or levies would stop rises, but agree they would slow them.
Why doesn't Labour generate a bit of interest in Auckland local government and have a proper runoff event between Richard Hills and Efeso Collins?
Politics abhors a vacuum, so get to it Labour before your lunch gets eaten.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/127676464/is-the-left-getting-left-behind-in-aucklands-mayoral-race
We sure need a candidate for the left to rally around in Auckland right now.
Labour are in danger of stuffing this up badly. Hills has been hand picked by Jacinda, in my opinion because she needs a puppet in the mayoral seat to get 3 Waters over the line. He's a lightweight who will get eaten alive by the toxic Auckland Council culture.
On Cue
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/127689982/auckland-mayoralty-richard-hills-drops-plans-to-run-for-top-job
It'a a bugger when your hand-picked puppet won't sit on your knee.
Or maybe he wasn'r, and this is now a dead reckon, which is why you can't say "On cue'.
Or in your pantomime is someone else directing the score?
Hills was handpicked by Labour. He had Goff's backing, and had a campaign team in place. Then he appears to have lost his bottle. Collins will be laughing out loud.
Crazy reckons all round, Gypsy.
A young man dips his toe into the waters. Withdraws. Been there, done that. Nothing to do with 'bottle' or 'hand-puppeteering'.
I find that people's reckons tell us more about them than their target. True of my time, too.
Family reasons eventually predominated. But what my political opponents came up with…. well, some had obviously learnt their politics from some very unreasonable and vindictive people.
He didn't 'dip his toes in'. He's been working on this for months, putting a team together. The indications are he's got cold feet at the thought of either a) facing down the council toxins, or b) facing off against Collins.
So why is Collins laughing then, if he was no competition?
2. If he is the only serious Labour/left wing candidate, he will receive more funding and ground support.
3. City Vision would likely have backed Hills over Collins. Hills is woke and malleable. Collins is principled and independent. CV are a powerful force in Auckland local politics.
4. The most obvious one – Hills was a serious contender, supported by the endorsement of both Labour and the sitting mayor. He's gone.
So not handpicked by Jacinda, then.
Efeso Collins will make a great mayor.
Hills was handpicked by Jacinda. He had Labour's backing, and Goffs. He seems to have not had the intestinal fortitude.
If Goff instead chooses to run, Efeso should have a crack anyway. He's going to need the practise.
https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1491522639101239297
So the hard left propose socializing both cost and benefit; and the hard right propose privatising both cost and benefit.
Theoretically that's correct, but in practice most (if not all) western economies find a balance somewhere in between. I'm a supporter of private enterprise, but understand full well that we elect governments to govern, to plan, to protect the citizenry, to take care of the poor and needy, and to regulate the excesses of the market.
Oh, I agree. Sorry, I should have made it clear that this was a rather tongue-in-cheek comment/analysis.
In fact there are many examples of precisely the opposite of what Shaw is saying. An example of socialising benefit is when wages increase and the government keeps the bracket creep. An example of privatising cost is the significant increase in public servants in recent years, paid for out of private sector taxes.
I think you missed his point. Maybe read or listen to the speech. He's talking about why we have the climate, eco, housing, poverty etc crises, that there is an underlying reason. He's not making a statement about all economic factors.
I've listened to the speech. He specifically contrasts the economic response to the pandemic against conventional economics (his example is the debt to GDP ratio, but he's talking more broadly). His point, which he builds on, is that a new approach is required, and that is one of considerably more government intervention. I think he's off his trolley, but he can't be accused on ambiguity.
You consider the public sector is, a cost?
An often noted delusion of right wingers is that work done by the State sector is a "cost" born by business".
The obvious example is State education. "A cost" when supplied by the State, and a benefit when the same work is done by a private company" is patently rediculous.
Resources and a countries capabilities depend on the work of everyone. Employees, State or private, are not, "a cost".
Soon, with essential workers, we will see again who are costs!
"You consider the public sector is, a cost?"
Ah, that's rather self evident. And when it comes to the spin doctors (who this government have increased by alarming numbers ) they are a wasted cost.
"Self evident".
I see where your lack of economic comprehension is coming from.
Oh dear.
Cost.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/433638/13-percent-rise-in-cost-of-public-servants-salaries
Cost.
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/remuneration-pay/workforce-costs/
Of course the public sector is a cost. And it's growing like topsy, and becoming increasingly arrogant and incompetent (https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127682814/when-did-our-public-service-get-so-arrogant.)
Typical of right wingers.
Failed accounting 101. A ledger has two sides.
The "cost" of having State services is small, compared with the "cost" of not having them.
In fact, pointless jobs are far more common in the private sector. Someone even wrote a book about it.
If you consider State employed Teachers, Doctors, Health administrators, technicians, council staff, et al, a "cost" you are in cloud cockoo land. Their work contributes more value to our society and economy than most private business. In fact business couldn't survive without it. Try being in business without contract law.
The problem with the State service is recent Governments tried to run it like a private business, rather than a service. Cutting out and privatising essential parts. A problem the right wing contempt for the State sector is entirely responsible for. The Mangerial cult has taken over. Sidelining the competent technocrats trhat used to run them.
Funny the right wing insist we have to pay private sector managers a fortune to do their jobs. But oppose paying essential workers like Teachers and Hospital orderlies a decent wage.
"The "cost" of having State services is small, compared with the "cost" of not having them."
That isn't how accounting works.
The cost would be recorded as such:
Dr Cost
Cr Bank
That's money never to be seen again. So we should keep it to an absolute minimum. Meaning getting rid of all the PR spinners this government has added.
You are good at digging holes and falling into them Gypsy….don't know whether anyone can get you out of this…one.
Having reading comprehension difficulties?
The salaries paid for the various flavours of public servants are the cost. The resulting benefits of the essential work they do are shared across society. So an example of both costs and benefits being socialized – both sides of the ledger, as it were.
The problems arise when either the benefits fail to eventuate (dropping achievement standards in maths for example), or the costs increase for little or no benefit (spin doctors in the public service – to use Gypsy's example).
Of course, in all socialized services there are individual benefits as well (a good education is a privatized benefit to the student and/or their family, as well as being a general shared benefit across society).
But, as a general rule, when a socialized cost increases, the public should also look for an increased benefit to society.
Part of the issue with all of our western democracies is this mixing of socialized and privatized costs and benefits: e.g. when petrol goes up, it's not only a private cost; but, because the government charges taxes and levies on petrol, it's also a socialized cost – the government is gaining more revenue, but needs to show where this is being spent for the benefit of society.
Good points.
I'd also add that increased spending does not, ipso facto, lead to better outcomes. In fact the recent record of government spending on a range of issues tends to suggest a fair degree of poor quality spending. Kiwibuild is one example, where the government spent $8m buying back houses no-one wanted, and spend "$2 billion setting up a government department and building 500 houses".
Indeed no. The 'let's throw money' at it approach, almost never results in better outcomes.
From the sidebar. Gordon Campbell trying to make sense about the situation in the Ukraine.
http://werewolf.co.nz/2022/02/gordon-campbell-on-the-crisis-what-crisis-over-ukraine/
FWIW I still think Putin’s long game is to recreate pre 1914 Russia.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/map-russian-empire-1914
Quite readable from GC (I do wish that werewolf would put a https on their links).
I don’t think that it likely that Putin is interested in doing the whole of pre-1914. Trying to control that number of ethnicities was a major headache for the tsarists and even more of an issue for a economy that is roughly the same size of New York city. The economies in Europe like Finland and the other baltic states plus Poland are rapidly growing and would be extremely hard to digest. Even the citizens of Ukraine appear to have no appetite for getting back in the rather anaemic Russian economy with its fragile oil state economy.
All fertile grounds for widespread insurgency and guerrilla warfare.
Putin was in East Germany as a intelligence officer when the Soviet Union was disintegrating. I’m pretty sure that he’d be aware of the futility of trying to hold a population used to a better standard of living that isn’t interested in being dominated by a foreign culture and political system.
You are what your hat says at the protest at Parliament: Gun City
Too many children are still there in the lines up near the front, including one on the shoulders of his mother…….makes me sad to see this. Concerned about getting the vaccination for your child but not concerned enough to keep them safe at the protest Even folk peacefully protesting have no guarantee that they will be safe, they cannot know the ideas of the leaders and ne'er do wells there Arp and Alpe and Counterspin. .
Good grief the beige brigade is there…….many guys wearing those unfortunate shirts reminiscent of the 1980s cricket supporters.
If you don’t like beige, then look the other way lol
As for the protest, let’s hope there are more this year. Terrible policies cannot be justified.
But the beige after-image stays and stays…
Winston looks like he might be trying to tap into the protest sentiment in Wellington. His tweets in the past 48 hours looks like he will be going after the anti-madate vote.
Is there 5% in it for him?
never say never with that dude.
https://youtu.be/7sF8rkSPDH8
This is my favourite song on middle-class hypocrisy. It doesn't have the same impact as in the 80s when the Cambodian example of extreme collectivist uber-authoritarianism packed a real punch. I'm not sure if many remembers Pol Pot anymore.
Is anyone getting why people are angry at the derision directed at everyday people trying to express themselves? At their frustration?
I will reply to those who responded to my reply later, when I've lost some of this anger.
I'm grateful if something was corrected to allow me to post again. Thankyou
Not to forget that the band achieved some standing in 1981 for "appearing" in the NZ charts, with this song. Though it was never played on Ready to Roll for some reason 🤔
https://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2965
Yes I have that on vinyl along with some other albums of the Dead Kennedys.
Middle class hypocricy you got it in one.
"Is anyone getting why people are angry at the derision directed at everyday people trying to express themselves? At their frustration"
Barking up the wrong tree, looking for empathy round this place. Too many elderly/retired, centrists, work from home, white collar professional types.
Just a day or so, in an OP, tourism jobs that have been lost in the disruptions were dismissed as low wage positions that NZ was better off without. May be true, but those jobs belonged to people that were putting food on the table and shoes on the feet of their children. People that are hurting now.
Sometimes the comfortable, authoritarian, righteous opinions expressed have you questioning what a socialist is nowadays.
My favourite observation on middle class hypocricy comes from Frankie Boyle. 'If anything I say offends you, be sure to Tweet your outrage on a phone made by an 8 year old.'
Kennedy's fun fact. When DKs were being prosecuted for obscenity by PMRC (Tipper Gore anyone?), the best witness they had was John Denver. He took apart the prosecution with his testimony concerning Rocky Mountain High.
An article from those exciting times, so far removed from where we are now.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/jello-biafra-dead-kennedys-ice-t-pmrc-oprah-winfrey-show-video/?amp
"Ordinary people" are on the whole doing rather better at present.
Unemployment down, wages on the rise and a whole bunch of shockingly poor employers having to up their game.
The protesters are not "ordinary people". We are getting on with the job, with 100% of my essential workplace vaccinated, and masked and taking other precautions, where necessary.
The “ordinary people” around me, with only one or two exceptions amoungst several hundred, consider the protesters a bunch of dangerous ignorant clowns.
Stewart Island community is now split. May I suggest to the store owner that when these big noting chicken littles find importing supplies from the mainland too much of a hassle and decide to go back to the store, you tell them to piss off.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127541835/customer-backlash-for-grocery-store-owners-on-stewart-island
Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods ,the local chemist who’s always been open 24/7 is closing on a Sunday. Why? They have lost six staff – two who decided to go back to India.
And not far from the chemist is three upmarket flats. One which houses a JP I sometimes use for legal work. She is now looking for accommodation. Yeah, good luck with that.
And talkback is now carrying ads for reasonably high end jobs.
But the good news is we have a low Covid death rate.
The sheer ignorance and callousness of this statement leaves me breathless!
Well, I'm sure Blade hasn't realised it yet, so let me be the first to point this out to him: dead people don't contribute much to the economy. They don't shop at H&Ms, they don't buy big macs or flat whites, they don't purchase petrol or take public transport.
Nearly a million people in the USA have ceased contributing to the economy, over 100,000 in the UK and so on.
So, for reasons well beyond the comprehension of Blade, the good news is that we have a low covid death rate!
''The sheer ignorance and callousness of this statement leaves me breathless!''
Emotional nonsense the Left are well known for.
''Dead people don't contribute much to the economy. They don't shop at H&Ms, they don't buy big macs or flat whites, they don't purchase petrol or take public transport.''
Neither do :
1- The mentally ill.
2- The unemployed.
3- Businesses that have closed.
4- People who can't wait to leave ''the cage.''
5- People on the breadline.
6- A new generation of under educated kids ( due to Covid and Lefty ideology).
Anyone who can add to the list, please do.
''Nearly a million people in the USA have ceased contributing to the economy, over 100,000 in the UK and so on.''
''They can absorb those numbers better ( US has158 million workers). We can't in my opinion.''
''So, for reasons well beyond the comprehension of Blade, the good news is that we have a low Covid death rate!''
What pisses me off with people like you is because I try to look at things in a reasonable unemotional way, I'm a heartless bastard.
We have done all we can do to protect ourselves going forward. What else can we do? Carry on peeping from behind the curtain?
We are in complete agreement!
I’m sad to hear that, Tony. Enough said.
Again, I'm sorry to have to point this out to you, but all of the above categories can be remedied. Death, on the other hand, tends to be a little more permanent.
As the Nigerian PM said, early in the pandemic, and something RW fwits cannot grasp, -:
"We know how to revive a dead economy, we've yet to learn how to revive a dead person."
And again I cannot seem to get through to you that:
A- A death count is only one vector of an overall Covid response.
B- The indirect death toll over the coming years may be just be as high as if our government had taken a similar Covid response to other countries.
C- Having no quality of life, or watching your business fail, is a living death.
You say all the above categories can be remedied. That is true…but will they? Do we have the resources or the political will to do that?
I stopped in Ellerslie today after work. It was packed. Restaurants and bars full. First time I've been unable to find a park in two years.
We are not peeping from behind the curtain.
Good for you. If you are double vaxxed and maybe had a booster, go for it. You have done all you can for your health. There has to be a balance between caution and actually getting on with life.
Great, but I don’t like the way you are claiming, “we are hiding behind the curtain”.
If you get out there you will see it's just not true.
In real life, not your RW fantasy world, "A new generation" of kids that currently have jobs "due to covid and lefty idealogy".
1. As if the right wing ever cared about the "unproductive" mentally ill.
2. Ditto unemployed. Which is way down in the real world, see above.
3. Business closure rates overall are not greatly above normal. Some are not surprising in a pandemic. Countries with RW Governments have had the highest rates of business failures during covid.
Don't the RW believe in Capitalism? "Businesses which are unprofitable should be allowed to fail" to make way for more efficent businesses". In fact, in Northland, building, and other businesses are doing much better than normal. Aucklanders are spending in NZ not overseas. Cafes are pretty full.
4. "People who can't wait to leave the cage". Travel is a priveledge in normal times, only for a small proportion of New Zealanders. A fruit picker required to be available 365 days of the year on minimum wage, doesn't travel.
5. People on the "breadline" has dropped. See unemployment.
6. "Undereducated kids". Who now have jobs to aspire to! Nice to see local kids serving in local businesses and gaining apprenticeships. Spots that were formerly filled by backpackers, trained immigrants and temporary visa workers. Hell, the local growers have even had to offer minimum wage.
hardly. Some of the community are pissed at a local business owner and acting accordingly. I don't think this is lightly done, but there may well be history.
With National and Labour now neck and neck, I want to see a true gamechanger budget out of Robertson in May.
In New Zealand: New Opposition Leader Christopher Luxon boosts support for National to 35%; now ahead of Labour on 33% – Roy Morgan Research
Show us you can do more than crisis.
"Show us you can do more".
Where would you suggest that they start? I can't think of anything they have done except the pre-vaccine period of Covid 19 in the first part of 2020. Before March 2020 and since about October 2020 everything they have touched has turned to dross.
I would suggest they start with tax, before National guts them with it.
Pugh!
More than crisis?
Do you understand, "crisis"?
It’s not, “little bit of crisis”, it’s global pandemic!
Poor Maureen – she does post silly things then doubles down with an excuse that makes her seem rather dim.
Unbelievable. I guess Simon Bridges was right.
West Coasters have a 'special' reputation in prison, not hard to see why
Yep as we say at work, "she's done a Twyford!"
Seems more like 'doing a Boag' to me.
So I recently opened the live feed – when the the Krishnas get deployed?
Drums & cymbals, beige brigade… is this turning into a violent version of the rugby sevens?
No reason except for awesome guitar playing:
Again no reason except it might just put a smile on your face and make you feel just a little bit better about life:
Fantastic PR and I won't spoil the fabbo bit of nice
big noting at the end. He is really elegant looking and at playing.
Might actually be the greatest guitar player and singer of all time, easily in the top ten
Two of my favourites. Campbell used to give guitar lessons to the stars.
The way Alice talked about him and the story of the traffic camera photo always brings a smile to my face
Talkback has spoken. We want Kiri Allan to replace Nashy.
Mikey on Nashy pulling the plug and hitting the road.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/video/mikes-minute-when-the-going-gets-tough-the-govt-runs-for-the-hills/
… and Councillor Richard Hills just cleared the path for Efeso Collins to run.
Now we just need Goff to get his shit together.
Or failing that, Efeso just runs against Goff anyway.
Excellent point, well made.
https://twitter.com/GinaRangi/status/1491549692609515522
A very cross Bernard Hickey.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/10-02-2022/this-too-will-pass-says-ardern-of-the-anti-mandate-fury-but-will-it-really
Can’t understand why the protesters have been handled so carefully.
And Hickey has good reason to be cross.
I was a target of criminal harassment on and off for 20 years. In my case it was covert and I had no idea who was responsible. I went to my Public Service bosses and they did nothing. I went to the police and they did nothing. I approached others for assistance and they also did nothing. It seemed like nobody cared. Years later I discovered the identity of the person responsible but still nobody did anything because by then… there had been too much water under the bridge.
The damage done took me many years to overcome and I now know she also did the same sort of thing to other people but with less consistency. The over-all damage she caused was immense.
The moral of the story:
The powers-that-be allowed her to get away with the conduct and she therefore felt enabled to continue with impunity. And I see the same thing happening with these anti-vax/anti-mandate protesters. The more they are allowed to get away with, the more enabled they will feel, and the worse things could become.
Nip it in the bud now before it is too late.