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Open mike 15/02/2019

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  1. veutoviper 1

    Many thanks lprent, mickysavage and all at the back end.

    • mickysavage 1.1

      Sorry about the delay. Normal transmission has been resumed …

      • Adrian Thornton 1.1.1

        @mickysavage, Thanks for your good work pal.

      • veutoviper 1.1.2

        No apologies needed etc. My biggest concern is that everyone involved is OK and we don’t need to send an ambulance or a search team!

        • patricia bremner

          Same xx

          • veutoviper

            How is that hip and fracture now, patricia? Have you had the xrays?

            • patricia bremner

              Hello veutoviper, I have had friends calling in to suss progress today lol, so missed this query. xx
              Had that horrible Tramadol.. was ill and off balance. Lost a week away with the fairies. Now I am quite good. First full Physio session at the hospital yesterday. A bit stiff today, but I can feel I have recovered, although still a degree of discomfort. X ray is 5th March. Let us hope they have shortened the leg correctly, I have healed and don’t need a realignment.
              All going well I should be walking unassisted in 4 to 6 more weeks, and driving Yahoo!! So additional time 6 weeks or so… not too bad.
              Bless you, the long handled brush and shovel has been a real boon. Norman received an accidental knock to his ankle 10 days back and developed gout… uric acid is a curse. Well we have shared the walker walking stick and my codeine lol lol Thanks for thinking of me, though I think I’m the healthiest out of my Physio class. It is 4 weeks today.

              • veutoviper

                Sorry, patricia – I had missed this reply. Wow, already four weeks, well more than that now. Pleased to hear things are improving and that they keep on doing so. And relieved that the long-handled broom etc has been useful. Re Norman’s gout, I definitely agree re uric acid over-production, I have that and am continually fighting uric acid kidney stones plus gout in ankles from time to time. Is he on Allopurinol?

                Another old but good old remedy for uric acid problems is good old raw apple cider vinegar with the “Mother” in it – I have about two tbsp in about 4tbsp of water first thing in the morning and also often more before any meal with a high protein and/or carbohydrate content. ACV is part of my official medical treatment of both uric acid overproduction AND low hydrochloric acid – with the blessing of my specialists as I cannot take much Allopurinol. My local New World stocks about five different brands these days and a bottle lasts me about 5 -6 weeks at about $6 -7. Only thing to watch is your teeth as not good for enamel. Dental advice is to immediately rinse mouth with straight water and swallow to clean esophagus; and not to brush teeth for at least an hour as brushing pushes it into the enamel.

                • patricia bremner

                  No Our son is on it, but they are reluctant to give Norm that.. other meds?? We intend to ask. Turns out he has a hematoma. Can’t win.

                  Wow, problems are never easily solved are they? All the best.

                  • veutoviper

                    Mention the Raw Apple Cider Vinegar – and say you know someone who is under Urology at Wgtn Hospital and it is being used for their uric acid kidney stones and gouty arthritis with good success as they are not able to take more than 1-2 allopurinol per day if at all. Plenty on the internet (including scientific/medical articles) about raw ACV being a very old treatment for uric acid.

                    Re the hematoma, can understand why they won’t use Allopurinol because of that. Allopurinol tends to be a bit of a blood thinner like low dose Aspirin and that is one of the reasons I can only take max 2 per day (usual lowest dose is 3 per day). When I was on both As, I had continual bruises all over my body to the point a doctor asked me if someone was abusing me! Slightest touch and bruise LOL. And it would take an age to stop the bleeding from even the smallest cut etc. So no Aspirin now, and no more than 2 Allopurinol per day if that.

      • lprent 1.1.3

        That wasn’t a potentially serious problem for The Standard this morning..

        This was…

        The apartment now features a lavender smell.

        • greywarshark

          Thst’s an extremely attractive shot in the limited colours used. Obviously a precocious little animal whose expertise will know no bounds when older. I imagine it looking royal as underlings toil to its throne to ask questions of the

          I notice some raised fur on the kitten’s back. Has it hopped inside the clothes basket as a safe haven while you scamper round and clean up which is creating brouhaha.

          • greywarshark

            There is so much important relaxation time in thinking about animals to get away from thinking about fake news, and the general clot-worthy events around. So I give you this link – animals And fake news from Onion. I realise that i have not been paying proper attention to Onion, they are very clever and often right on the button with their satirising.

            ‘Breaking: Dogs running’ (and to add to the general air of foreboding, at the end she says ‘But where are the children’).

          • lprent

            Not me taking the shot. I care about functionality far more than aesthetics.

        • Macro

          lol I remember one of ours decided that a convenient multi plug was a great place. He got quite a shock! Normally he was outside keeping the rabbits down. Lived to the ripe age of 22 and we had a 20th B’day party for him. BYO milk coz ur not getting any of his. It was quite an event.

        • Anne

          I know that smell. More like a tangy mint than lavender. Think yourself lucky it wasn’t clean, pressed ready to wear clothes laid out on a bedroom cushion.

        • veutoviper

          Beautiful photo, well done – Lynn or Lyn?

          I highly recommend a mix of 1 part white vinegar/1 part water to clean cat accidents and remove smell. Old formula but good. Also Nilodor for the instant removal of associated smells – again an oldie but a goodie used by SPCAs, vets etc,

          It comes in a spray bottle as per the images in this search link for Nilodor NZ:


          BUT don’t get taken in by the ridiculous prices it is sold for by some outlets such as pet supplies shops and online sources, pharmacists etc = eg $17 !!!

          Available at most New World supermarkets for $5.16.

          PS – a little goes a long way (eg one quick puff) so one of those bottles lasts for ages; and it is also an excellent car freshener and antidote to cigarette smoke smells etc. And no I have no interest in the company etc!

          • greywarshark

            Lynn is our sysop and Lyn our friend supporting the blog idea and is Lynn’s partner.

            • veutoviper

              I know that, grey. I was querying which one took the great photo. I think it was probably Lyn because of where it was first posted.

              • greywarshark

                Well the info won’t be wasted – everybody gets the spelling now. Lyn
                certainly has the eye and technique for her great camera work.

          • ankerawsharkP

            Have much experience in cat accident. The tabby has had a few problems over the years. First and most important is to blot up as much as you can and soon as you can before you do anything else. If you do this, sometimes you don’t need to do anything else. Trust me, I lost a persian rug before I discovered this.

          • lprent

            Lyn. She is the artistic one.

            • veutoviper

              Please pass on my/our compliments on the photo. And keep them coming. Also liked the other photo of Mort in her photos!

              I actually have taken a note of her facebook page and if I hear anyone looking for someone like Lyn, I will pass it on. And I really do recommend Nilodor. Far quicker/more effective that ordinary air fresheners.

        • Andre

          When my best feline buddy ever got old and sick and the frequency of those issues went way up, the best thing I found was using a wet’n’dry vac first, then wetting the area with plain water, vaccing, wetting, vaccing, then using whatever chemicals du jour I had available.

          • veutoviper

            Fair enough, but from decades of being an animal carer (dogs, cats, birds as well as wild animal R &R recovery carer), some chemicals can actually make things much worse by setting the stain rather than removing it.

            The vinegar trick is a very old one and a good one – the right pH to not set urine etc and doesn’t usually require repeated treatments as using just straight water tends to. Not just for cat/dog urine but particularly for bird shit. Many people use bleach type cleaners (outside on roofs etc things like 30 Seconds) which actually just set it hard like concrete, whereas white vinegar will actually soften it and allow it to be washed away. White vinegar is also very cheap compared to commercial chemical cleaners and much safer for animals etc, and the recommended cleaner for aviaries etc,

            But as Ankerawshark says quick blotting of urine on carpets etc without spreading is essential first.

            I did not mean to start a thread on this! But Nilodor is such a good product I wanted to mention it. LOL.

    • If there are any volunteers to be the Open Mike scheduler, I’m sure LP and MS would be happy to consider it. I’m doing the ‘how to get there’ post and it’s reasonably straightforward to set up the future editions. Takes me about an hour once a month.

      OM would be the same process, but a more regular time commitment.

      TS is always looking for new authors, too. So if there is anyone keen to give it a try, sing out.

      • veutoviper 1.2.1

        Thinking about it. A few pros and cons – will get back to you probably via the TS email as have very old computer/software, and good user skills but few IT tech skills. Or on second thoughts, happy for you (or lprent etc) to email me with a bit more detail of what is involved/needed etc (skills, software etc) via my TS sign-in email.

  2. Adrian Thornton 2

    ‘Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia’

    Maybe now the Democratic party will finally start to do some serious self analysis and soul searching in regards to their shocking and embarrassing loss in probably the most winnable election in modern US history, and prepare a solid platform to win the next election….but probably not.

    • You’re reading too much into it, Adrian. This does nothing to clear Trump, and merely confirms what we already know, which is that the smoking gun with Trump’s dabs on it hasn’t surfaced yet. And it tells us nothing about what Mueller knows.

      As for the Democrats, they’re doing fine. They’re re-energised, did well at the mid terms, took the house back and are set fair to take the senate and Presidency in two years. And look at the new senators and Presidential hopefuls. Some great people there, including a couple who are proud to say that they are socialists. This is the party with all the momentum at the moment.

      • Adrian Thornton 2.1.1

        Mueller has nothing, because there is nothing it is as simple as that, just smoke and mirrors.

        Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment

        The Democrats are far from OK, my prediction is that the most interesting battle we will witness this year is not the imaginary battle some people have been led to believe will happen around the Trump/Russia conspiracy, but the much needed battle between the establishment Dems and the new Left wing progressives, much more interesting and much more relevant imo.

        • tc

          Mueller may have nothing specific however all the work his team has done is yet to make it’s full impact.

          He stuck to his brief, not risking it’s findings and left plenty for others to follow up on. Slowly slowly catchee monkey.

          • Adrian Thornton

            This is the guy whom (quite bizarrely ) so many smart people on the Left have aligned themselves with, pretty sure most will live to regret this obvious mistake in the future…and btw, just as a matter of interest, could you tell me when in the past, has the FBI ever been an ally of the Left?

            Former FBI Director Robert Mueller’s History of Cover-Ups

            ‘After a 12-year stint leading the Bureau, the longest ever since J. Edgar Hoover, Mueller is now seen by many as an honest man serving the interest of the American public. However, that perception cannot be defended once one knows about Mueller’s past.’


            • te reo putake

              Can you point out any time globalreseach has been an ally of the left? Or even made any sense at all? It really diminishes your argument when you use shit sites for your cites, Adrian.

              And the point isn’t what Mueller did in the past, it’s what he’s tasked with doing now. That doesn’t mean the left is ‘aligned’ with him, but the American people are clearly stakeholders in his work. By extension, we all are.

              • One Two

                If you believe global research to be a ‘shit site’, TRP…. then every link you’ve ever posted in any article you’ve ever written… has also come from a ‘shit site’….

                Oh, and of course there is no collusion with Russia, nor is is Meullers job to ‘out’ any if there was…

                Meullers job, just like every other…is as a gatekeeper of information…

                An agent of the status quo…as you should be very well aware….

                • Mate, globalresearch is infowars without the tears and tantrums. I stick to sites that have a least some sense of sanity to them. I’ve been mulling over doing a post on ‘media you can trust’ for ages now. Maybe this weekend …

                  On Mueller, it’s probably worth remembering Mark Felt. Like Mueller, he was as a straight as a die, loyal and hardworking. Both men reached the top echelon of the FBI. When Felt was stymied in his work, he worked around the gatekeepers to do the right thing. And, ultimately, he bought Nixon down. Mueller may do the same to Trump.

                  The key point is that both men were extremely conservative, all American types. And when faced with a terrible truth about his President, Felt put America first. I suspect Mueller is made of the same stuff.

                  • One Two

                    TRP, you don’t have any better discernment than anyone else does when it comes to understanding what ‘shit sites’ are…

                    In fact I would suggest that given some of the links you’ve used in articles have been entirely substandard, and some instances links to sites/blogs of those who are little more than shills for industry used as so called ‘experts’… (yes I will be explicit if you like)…in one instance you admitted to not having read the backgrounds, except superficially…and felt the credentials were good…

                    You write on some topics in an overly emotional, I could argue, irrational manner…links won’t help you…selecting ‘shit sites’…will continue…because it is subjective…and because you are biased…inflexible in your thoughts…at least in the articles you write on this site…

                    Mueller, Trump, Felt, Putin…they have more in common with each other than with any so called left leaning traits you feel good in yourself for believing in…

                    You reckon global research is on info-wars level…yeah…righto…that is not any surprise…if you had some discernment you would understand why not…

                    If you write the article…I’ll read it….

              • Adrian Thornton

                @ TRP, Sure OK it might be a pretty shit link I don’t know, ( article seemed legit enough to me) so fair enough, but my point still stands…just remember this old saying…you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas.

                BTW surely you (we all) make a judgment on a person by our knowledge of their actions in the past, not what they say they will or won’t do in the future.

            • Gabby

              Why would you expect him to be an Ally Of The Left? You a fan of partisan law enforcement Ady?

      • adam 2.1.2

        You can’t not say not, when there is something that’s not or not.

      • Macro 2.1.3

        It’s also worth noting TRP that that report was from the Republican controlled Senate Committee. The Democrats on the committee were not so convinced. Like we have here – if you want to cover something up, you have a committee investigate and do a whitewash of the whole thing, and this is just what happened here. The Republicans are proving to have little moral compass left and much like the Nats here, are more interested in maintaining their position than actually working for their country. Had they found a smoking gun what would that mean for the future of the GOP who have stood firmly behind Trump on almost all occasions? They tried very hard not to look for a smoking gun, and were successful in not finding it.
        Meanwhile the Democrats in the House are in the process of setting up their own investigation into this whole sordid affair. I expect there will be a very different outcome. The Republican House investigation – lead by Nunes was appalling in its biased work.

        • Anne

          +1000 Macro.

          Anyone who believes that Senate report was anything but a Republican initiated whitewash has got one hell of a lot of learning to do.

    • Brigid 2.2

      With regard to collusion by Russia in US elections Laith Marouf, Beirut-based political analyst/media producer shows a perspective never given by msm.

      Read it all

      “I am against the theory of Israeli influence over US politics for the simple reason that Israel and Zionism are an Imperial tool to control and divide the Arab People; meaning the Empire is in control of Israel and the fate of the Jewish people, not the other way around.

      Having said that, it doesn’t mean that Zionists are not interfering in US politics, in so far as developing the narrative needed to defend the abomination of Apartheid Israel in the media and giving the politicians the lingo that they need to follow when queried. And of course the politicians in the Empire are glad to take the money from AIPAC for a job they would have had to do anyways to maintain Imperial control of the Middle East. It is a symbiosis between components of the Empire that are at the core of the System.

      Now about interference, you know where the whole story of Russian collusion with Trump started with? It started with the war on Syria, Obama and Palestine. If you remember, Obama and Kerry wanted to sign a treaty of end of hostilities with Russia at the end of their term. They faced a huge attack from Netanyahu, who even got himself invited to address the congress without a presidential invitation, a first. Obama went ahead and signed the deal with Russia anyways. Within 24hrs the Armed and Intelligence Forces of the US mutinied and launched an attack on Syrian forces defending the besieged city of Dier ezZor and coordinated with ISIS to attack the city simultaneously; stoping the war from ending in 2016.

      Right after, a motion to condemn Apartheid Israel’s breach of international law was to be voted at the UNSC, as a punishment for Netanyahu, Obama asked his ambassador to abstain and allow the vote to go through; another first. Panicking, Netanyahu called on Trump, who was elected but not yet in power, to ask the Russians to veto instead. So Kushner and the Trumps tried to speak to the Russians, yes they did, but on behalf of the Zionist Israeli leadership. Trump and the Zionists were willing to undermine a sitting president to save Apartheid Israel from a vote at the UNSC. Russia voted for the motion, the US abstained, and Apartheid Israel was condemned.

      Obama was furious when he found out and the story was made public. To cover up all of this Israeli interference in American politics, the Zionist media warped the story, dropped the crucial point of why the Trumps and Kushner where trying to speak to the Russians, and voila! The Russians are interfering said the headlines since 2017.”

  3. UncookedSelachimorpha 3

    Hawkes Bay declared a ‘worker shortage’ area allowing fast tracking of non-resident labour.

    No mention of the wages on offer – surely there sould be a rule that offered wages must be at least a premium over the living wage (say $26/h?) before such concessions are considered? How about it Labour – after all, you’ve got ‘Labour’ in the party name. Otherwise this scheme is just another mechanism for enforcing poverty wages.

    • greywarshark 3.1

      What’s more Labour should be calling for willing workers presently unemployed whether registered or not, who want to take up these jobs and go through a program, not unreasonably hard, to get them fit. Then get them to the job, with better than just good-enough accommodation and let them get work at the fruitface or wherever. Get on with it you Minister of Labour (is there one?).

      Fact –
      Hon Willie Jackson
      List MP
      Minister of Employment
      Associate Minister for Māori Development
      It is unfortunate that there is a Labour Michael Wood and a National Woodhouse, Michael!

      So will he Willie, or will he not, be a leading force in this government in moving people who are ready and want to be moved into a system where they are kept on the government’s books, a work-ready, keen workforce dedicated to doing the job? And I like the idea of having them registered as permanent members of the work team, and meeting regularly for gym sessions, and thinking of other work that they could do together, even form a band to do something when the seasonal work or temporary work is unavailable. Sports team, work team, both can provide regular interest and commitment and a feeling of satisfaction. Very positive from all aspects.

      The keen ones will be there, despite being unappreciated, discouraged, picked up, pushed around, dropped, homeless, couchless, penniless at some times. And trying not to let the drugs get hold.

      And when you do stuff for the unemployed Minister, and want to get them started in work on the unskilled level, then start having ranked teams, so that they progress up with higher wages and advantages as they move up the Team ladder. The tried and experienced who can be relied on are Team One, the others who will then want to come along will be Two, Three, to Five.

      Then the triers will be keen to get right and in the program. That is the spirit we want from you Willie Jackson and the whole Labour Party. People who are committed to doing a good job at what is needed and stick at it till it is done!

      • Poission 3.1.1

        “It is unfortunate that there is a Labour Michael Wood and a National Woodhouse, Michael!”

        So the labour guy does not have the house ,where as the national guy does.

        • greywarshark

          I don’t know whether there is too much Wood or not enough. It’s a poor distribution system at fault – in names. I want to see some really striking men’s names coming up – enough of these Michaels, Johns, Peters.
          Let’s go back to Vikings – Ethelred, Roman Julius, Thor sounds good, Theophilus, Xavier; what about ethnic diversity. Erik the half-bee, Vlad etc. – there is a vast store untouched.

          Young Monty Pythons in 1972.

    • patricia bremner 3.2

      Yes, though the living wage with no employer deductions would probably do it. Should be advertised locally first .

    • Siobhan 3.3

      1996…binn rate $20 – $25
      2019…$25 – $30

      Made worse by a far more exacting picking schedule of size and colour, no simple stripping of trees.

      1996..when on an hourly rate pickers were on $7 – $9 at a time when the minimum wage for over 20’s was $6.35. ie above minimum wage

      Hourly rate 2019…strictly minimum wage now.

      Median Rent Hawkes Bay/Gisborne (1998) $150
      Median Rent Flaxmere 2018 $350.00

      And when you ask for higher wages you are on your own..the RSE workers are happy with their lot, they aren’t raising families or ‘living*’ in nz.

      Though the best of them disappear to Australia for the season if they can.

      Andrew Little, with Jacinda in tow, came down here and told us we needed to ‘improve productivity’ if we wanted higher wages. HA!! I guess there’s a reason the room was filled with orchardists and retired teachers, not a picker or warehouse worker in sight.

      *They are living packed into rooms like sardines.

      • veutoviper 3.3.1

        Thanks for that information, Siobhan. It pretty much confirms what I suspected and have seen hinted at. So no wonder that they have trouble getting local workers. Actually is it a problem of ‘getting’ locals to apply or is it a problem of the employers not ‘wanting’ to employ locals and instead preferring to employ RSE workers? i actually thin I know the answer! – but am interested in the views of those closer to the situation such as yourself.

        • Siobhan

          Well, its both really.
          The traditional workforce for seasonal work used to be ‘housewives’, which is simply not a ‘thing’ anymore, and the large local Maori population.
          Anecdotally I can say there has been a mass exodus of Maori from the Bay over the last 20 years.
          I’m still trying to find the stats on that one, but I do know that in the Central Hawke’s Bay District the Maori population had an increase of 9 people, or less than one percent since between the 2006 and 2013 Census.

          The unemployed locals get frog marched out to the orchards every year, but that’s a very small pool of people now, and includes a large number of older people who are physically worn out, young mothers who do not have good child care, transport etc and young folk who are from highly dysfunctional situations and are often unable to be functional workers.

          So workers will need to be imported, BUT that is no excuse not to be paying an actual livable wage. Maybe if we are relying on workers whose main place of residence is overseas we should have a ‘top-up’ payment for locals. It could be based on a simple calculation of weekly picking wage vs how much it costs per week for a family to live in Vanuatu compared to a family in the Hawkes Bay.

          Labour and National both seem more than happy to top up landlords high rent expectations via the accommodation allowance, so maybe they should top up the low wages Orchardists insist on Paying 😉

  4. greywarshark 4

    China – who would have thunk we would have any problems with our big trading partner, who we are trying to milk – just can’t get past dairy 101 eh!

    Now we have been caught in a huddle in the playground with that USA and all the wide-eyed 5-Eyes. So which gang do we want to be in? How do we handle the politics; eggs are precious, have we put too many in one basket. We must remember they are breakable. We’ll need eggs if we can save our bacon before breakfast, if not by lunchtime.


    “We have recently faced administrative issues with our salmon exports to China, which have caused delays getting shipments cleared through Chinese ports,” he said.
    “We have not been given a reason for this by local authorities.”

    RNZ understands other seafood exporters have faced similar issues with exports into China.
    Trade officials close to the issue, who did not want to be named, said New Zealand exporters often faced problems entering China, and the recent problems could be business as usual.

    • Poission 4.1

      Fonterra is experiencing difficulties with added value products into china.

    • Graeme 4.2

      Well Sanford = National Party. One Peter Goodfellow effectively owns a good chunk of it, been on the board since 2006, and also happens to be gnat president.

      But he is not driving those ideas in any way shape or form which is a real shame.

      Got a neighbour who exports into China in quantity. He’s got a special affection for their bureaucrats. i dotty and t crossy doesn’t even come close, everything has to be perfect of the shipment stops.

    • Cinny 4.3

      Just to put a different spin on it……..

      Wondering if simon has stuffed things up for NZ re China, with his proclamations of wanting to side with the USA re Venezuela.

      • Shadrach 4.3.1

        If the Chinese government cared a sniff about what the opposition thinks, they would have had a problem with Labour’s Chinese sounding names debacle.

  5. greywarshark 5

    there ha been a bit of discussion about the merging of polytechs and i saw this on Radionz so for those in the groove here a few more bars.


  6. greywarshark 6

    More shit-making stuff.
    The Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) has granted Coastal Resources Limited a 35-year marine consent to dispose of 250,000 cubic metres of dredged sediment each year.

    The company already has permission to dump 50,000 cubic metres of sediment at the disposal site – known as the Northern Disposal Area – which is 25 kilometres east of Great Barrier Island.

    In June last year, it applied to expand its operation.

    Coastal Resources Limited dredges material from sites around Auckland and Waikato, including marinas.

    The EPA received 76 submissions about the application and the vast majority of them opposed the granting of consent.

    Opponents included the Great Barrier Local Board and the Department of Conservation.

    What about someone giving us a list of who is on the EPA – it could be good to know your enemy.

  7. We can get back in their good books by selling some more political patronage in the form of seats in Parliment, worked for national.

  8. WeTheBleeple 8

    In yesterdays news cycle Australians lost 1/2 a million cattle when flooding caused the Flinder’s river to swell to up to 60 km in width. That’s about a billion dollar hit on stock alone.


    While this seems a completely freak event it is not. They’re calling it a 50 year event, which, with climate change, will become more frequent. This is not a few houses underwater and some dudes canoeing about, it is a 60 km wide swathe of destruction containing half a million dead cows.

    They called the floodplains ideal grazing country.

    Are we still making such calls here?

    • Exkiwiforces 8.1

      They have been gazing in the channel country since the white fella turned up and the black fellas were using the channel country a lot longer for harvesting before the white fella turned up. As dad would say about living in the outback( Broken Hill) during the drought time, when it rains it pours down and when the ground is hard as concrete the water has nowhere to go but spread out.

      This event in Nth and Nth West Qld has broken so many records it’s not funny including the the great floods of 74 which was caused a by the remains of a cyclone which it effected most of Qld including Brisbane and where as this event has been caused by the Monsoon trough pushing further Sth than usual.

      Where I live atm in rural Darwin, it’s getting real scary for a large number of people who rely on the rain to refill water tanks or to refill bores etc and as a volunteer NT Bush Firefighter the ground is now starting to dry out very quickly atm which is not when you consider the average rainfall for our northern wet season for this time of the year is well over a metre and a half and we have had less than half by now (about 750mm). The outlook from now to the end of the wet season in April very bleak and this going to effect everyone in the community, Fisherman, cattle producers, fruit/ veggie producers and all the way down to those living in the long grass.

      • WeTheBleeple 8.1.1

        You saw that farmers ground on fire?

        • Exkiwiforces

          Yeah I did and was going to mention it here at how crazy things are getting in Oz IRT CC. I’ve seen some crazy weather related events/ stuff over the 20 odd years living here and as a kid on holidays since 81-82 summer, but this one is up there with most crazy one so far.

  9. greywarshark 9

    Batteries – energy source change.

    When Transpower started its latest work seven months ago, *Winitana says a 3.5 – 4 kW solar unit and a 6 kWh battery would have delivered power at a cost of about 28 cents.

    “This time next year it will be under 20 cents,” he told BusinessDesk. Average delivered household power costs are about 28c/kWh.

    “The Transpower report shows the value and potential of solar and batteries, however, this is yet to be fully acknowledged and actioned by the government and many in the incumbent industry,” Winitana said in a statement.

    * Sustainable Energy Association of NZ

    And shifted this resource-using stuff here. Is it good news – it does help to use waste that is being discarded.

    More interesting stuff.
    Tyres as part of steel making.

    • ianmac 9.1

      Thanks for the link greywarshark. Not too sure what it means but our solar unit produces 20kw on a good day. So far we haven’t really considered battery storage but…

  10. One Two 10

    What are we debating here?” says Dr Davis. “Do you really want to see proof that we’ve got millions of people with cancer, like we did with tobacco and asbestos? Is there any question we should have acted sooner?

    Dr Davis is highly credentialed. She was a senior scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, and a presidential appointee of the Clinton Administration and a member of the team awarded a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore in 2007. She has been campaigning for the safer use of Wi-Fi technology, especially in children.

    Case in point. The Rudd Government’s “education revolution” has led to the roll out of Wi-Fi in public schools across the country. Yet there’s never been a single study looking at people’s long-term health risks of Wi-Fi exposure.

    “Millions of children are being exposed to something that has never been fully tested,” says Dr Davis. “We’re treating our children like lab rats in an experiment with no controls.”

    • Bazza64 10.1

      Wifi is extremely low risk, the intensity of wifi signal is about 100,000 times less than a microwave oven. Similar risk profile is sunbathing at night under the full moon & having fear of skin cancer from that exposure. Maybe funding is running out for Dr Davis so need to whip up hysteria for continuation of public funding (taxpayer $). No doubt that Anti-vax, Flat Earth, Alien abductee, 9/11 conspiracists will run with this one. Time for them to roll up their tin foil hats to protect from Wi-fi radiation.

      This sort of thing should not be discouraged as it is humorous good fun to see it all roll out.

      • One Two 10.1.1

        Your response reads as fearful, most likely due to ignorance…extreme ignorance …


        The things that scare you are already, a fact!

        Edit: If you understood even the most elementary levels of a discussion about EMFs you could have written something, not quite as ridiculous…but that is your level…

        Best to stay down there…despite personal growth being a solid endevour…comments such as yours have no interest in personal growth…

        • Bazza64

          You are right I am very scared & chose not to venture out today, stayed under the blankets at home. I am also extremely ignorant as well. I do not understand anything elementary & failed to graduate primary school, but I was valedictorian at the country high school I attended, being no others on my level.

          As regards personal growth you should read a bit more widely, not just the clowns who see risk in the most ridiculous things.

          • One Two

            That’s fantastic Bazza…well done…

            Risk, is not something which you understand…or you wouldn’t have written the nonsense you did …even you were joking…

            If you had the remotest interest in a discussion you would not have written your initial comment…and you would understand why insurance underwriters and re-insurers, will not insure against damage caused by EMF/R…they will not insure the telco industry against it…

            Not touching it…too risky…

            If you would like to have a serious conversation about risk…and about the technical aspects of wireless networks, public health etc, the research available, the captured regulatory agencies, precautionary principle….go right ahead…

            I offered DJ Ward the same option a few days ago….and similar to yourself (albeit with a slightly higher grade of ignorance and avoidance) did not take up the offer…

            • Bazza64

              Only too happy to have a serious conversation



              Published in 2009
              No consensus reached on EMR’s effect on health

              It may take two more decades to know if electromagnetic radio frequency energy is a significant liability issue for telecommunications companies, so, in the interim, insurers are treating the risk as cautiously as a downed power line after a storm.

              Insurers often exclude the risk from commercial general liability policies, strictly limit the coverage or avoid policyholders in the wireless industry, brokers say.

              The reason insurers exclude this is because it is unknown & if EMF was found to be the cause of human illness then the industry would suffer catastrophic loss.

              As always, people read into this more than there really is – this is not evidence of EMF causing illness, but insurance companies saying this is unknown & we can’t quantify any risk, so we stay away.

              In this internet age a lot of people take this as “what do the insurance companies know that we don’t know? It is just an unknown risk for them, but of course some people take this as confirmation that EMF causes illness, which has never been proven.

            • Bazza64

              Your Doctor Davis has been criticised by scientists who consider her warnings re cellphone use to be bogus science. You might want to read: Skeptic North Devra Davis Disconnected from Science

              An interesting read, you might like to reconsider your position?

              You haven’t replied so I assume you are having dinner or have morphed into DJ Ward.

              Was reading the economist yesterday. I see global warming is now referred to as climate change. Presumably to try & explain the record cold temperatures in US ?

              • One Two

                Did you even read the post you made about insurers, when you posted it…do you understand the words in the post you made…

                There is already two decades of research data, including the most recent decade of data, which was on top of the 4 decades of data that came before… That is why the insurers won’t touch it…because….risk….do you understand how the insurance business works ?

                No, you don’t!

                If you think that Dera Davis is represents ‘bogus science’ and have recommended me to ‘skeptic site’…well…your levels are lower than I suspected…

                You can read the posts I will continue to make regarding the telco industry, wireless technology and EMF/R…posts that will have comments, quotes from industry big wigs from major tech companies, as well as world leading oncologists and neurosurgeons…

                Feel free to comment, but I will not be replying to you…not until you have on-boarded some more information…and come up with something better than ad homs and skeptic sites while spouting industry sponsored terms such as ‘consensus, inconsistent’ etc…

                You can use the links and comments I provide as a basis for up-lifting your capacity ….and go back over my comments the past week or so…will also help your learning…

                • Bazza64

                  Your response to this shows why I originally took the piss. People like you who believe rubbish get shown evidence that disagrees with their position & then you throw your toys out of the cot.

                  There isn’t 2 decades of research data that supports your position – the latest research refutes this, check out

                  https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phones.html – No doubt you won’t accept this as it is from the mainstream

                  I don’t think that you understand the insurance industry yourself. Like other clowns you read into that just because they won’t cover the liability that is evidence of there is something there. You’re probably too scared to read skeptic as it might pop your delusions, but better to keep your head in a paper & keep reciting EMF bad !

                  Guess you better keep your computer/ipad time to a minimum – don’t want those EMF’s to make you ill.

                  I guess you’re into homeopathy & astrology, anti-vaccination &
                  numerology too ?

                  • greywarshark

                    I haven’t noticed you thinking too hard about anything you write about – more easy dissing in the ones I’ve seen. There is a lot to know, surely you don’t know everything scientific or human-related.

                    • Bazza64

                      I don’t know everything science related, but the EMF thing is in with the Osama Bin Laden is still alive category. Happy to debate, but then others start frothing at the mouth, but that doesn’t surprise me.

                  • WeTheBleeple

                    Mate you’re a fool pretending to know stuff. Cellphone manufacturers are among the biggest companies on the planet. Now as you know, corporates have an exemplary track record for their treatment of science, scientists, the environment and people.

                    They never cover science AND they never smear scientists.

                    It’s a perfect world. You numpty muppet.

                    • Bazza64

                      Must be me & a lot of other scientists who call out pseudoscience when they see it. There are researchers who have their own scientific charitable institutions (that no doubt pay them a decent salary) & it is in their interest to keep the research going on something that has no sound basis in science.

                      An EMF study on rats subjected them to significantly more exposure than humans would ever get, but used this data to continue their argument. Like you said it’s a perfect world, try reading these reports rather than using the “big corporate bad, therefore small battler good” mindset.

                    • One Two

                      Must be me & a lot of other scientists who call out pseudoscience when they see it.

                      Bazza is a scientist ?

                      When commentators use ad homs, smears, words like pseudoscience while refering to 911, flat earth and aliens as a way to ‘engage’, there is no credibility to be found,,,by engaging with those who are not interested, or simple to restricted in their own capabilities to be worthwhile enaging with…

                    • Bazza64

                      I see One Two is back, didn’t think was going to post again. 9/11? Seriously? And you wonder why people take the Mickey. None of that conspiracy stuff stacks up under closer scrutiny. Have you looked at http://www.popularmechanics.com ? Debunking the 9/11 myths, one of the most comprehensive rebuttals of the 9/11 claims that have been put out there.

                      Oh no that doesn’t fit your belief system so let’s ignore it ?

                • Bazza64

                  If you think the skeptic site is unscientific you are dumber than I thought

  11. hoom 11

    B-52 coming to NZ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=12203889
    Has Trump provided relevant ‘no nukes’ guarantees to Jacinda?

    • Exkiwiforces 11.1

      I would be too worried it will have a empty bomb bay, as we have had a few come through RAAF Darwin when I was still in and I use to pop out the BRA pad at RAAF Darwin to have a chat with Yanks. Also it’s probably conducting what it’s called a “Lone Ranger” Ex which is something that RNZAF use to do when 75SQN was a equip with Canberra Bombers so slight detour to a NZ Airshow isn’t that hard to squeeze in really and probably means additional AAR tanker refuel to come a bit further down Sth.

      • hoom 11.1.1

        But will the US President provide the legally required assurances to the NZ PM that it won’t have nukes aboard?
        Or do we not give a shit about the Nuclear Free act anymore?

        • Exkiwiforces

          My guess is that the diplomatic niceties have been already sorted out, or else it wouldn’t been released to the fourth estate that a B-52 is heading down Sth for WoW.

          Most of the US Nuclear weapons are now Sub base or land base and its Bomber Fleet no longer routinely fly’s Nuclear Armed as it did during the Cold War. Plus one bomber and a couple supporting AAR Tankers is not an efficient way of carrying nuclear weapons when the main so-called threats are to the Nth West and to be honest one unarmed or armed bomber isn’t going to make a hell of a lot difference. When there is far more effective and efficient nuclear weapons platforms than a single B-52 on a jolly/ Lone Ranger to Australia via WoW or a non stop back to Guam.

          Or put this way if 3 B52’s we’re heading to WoW, then I would wondering WTF is going on here and start breaking out the my “war stocks” and the tin foil hat.

          Remember there are a enough buckets of instant sunshine around to the earth back into the ice age.

          • hoom

            Nonetheless its an active nuclear platform and we have a law requiring adequate guarantees be given and which for decades the US refused to submit to and a current US administration that happily breaks treaties, openly makes statements that they will not be restrained by international law or treaties.

            The first question any journo should have asked when told a B-52 is coming is ‘did they provide the relevant guarantees?’

            And the answer to that question should absolutely be part of the article.

            • Exkiwiforces

              Given the state journalism within the Fourth Estate IRT to Defence and Aviation on very basic matters “did they provide the relevant guarantees?’ might be a little bit hard for them, especially when some muppet from the Fourth Estate called a RNZAF Hercules a Hurricane when one landed at Nelson IRT the recent Tasman Forest Fires. The Herc’s have been a part of NZ’s Defence and Aviation scene for the 50 to 60 yrs.

              So it might be a little to much for the Fourth Estate to understand the Nuclear Free Act IRT to Foreign Military Forces visiting NZ?

              From my POV I don’t really see the B52 as an active Nuclear Platform these days, when land based ICBM’s, IRBM’s and Submarine launched ICBM’s and IRBM’s are more effective and efficient platforms than a Airborne delivery platform such as the B52.

      • alwyn 11.1.2

        Why should they need to refuel in the air?
        According to Google it is around 6,800 km from Guam to NZ (Wellington actually) and then around 2,600 km on to Melbourne. Even with a bit of circling around I wouldn’t think they would get anywhere near the range of the plane. It is apparently around 14,000 km. Surely they will still get to Melbourne with 3,0000 km of fuel left?
        Besides, where would they find a tanker to do the refuelling?

        • Exkiwiforces

          The B52 isn’t the most user friendly Aircraft on the ground btw of its design, size, age and the Yanks don’t like other people touching or handling their Aircraft etc. Unlike the British Commonwealth of Nations as we don’t usually give a toss, who handles the A/C atm. But this could be changing in the future IRT’s the Super Hornets, F35’s and P8’s etc with US enforced security protocols now in place for these Platforms?

          The only USAF certify base in Australia to my knowledge that can handle the B52 is RAAF Darwin and maybe RAAF Townsville which has had the odd visit over the yrs.

          Wherever a B52 or B1 and B2 Bomber goes it weather it’s a single Bomber or a section/ flight of Bombers it always has AAR Tanker support at either end.

          I hope this answers your question?

  12. Morrissey 12

    Reasons to be optimistic about America’s future.
    No. 1: ILHAN OMAR


  13. Jenny - How to get there? 13

    10am EST

    Trump to tell Congress,

    ‘You’re fired!’

    Trump will sign bill to avoid shutdown, then declare national emergency to free billions for border wall, official says
    By Kaitlan Collins, Kevin Liptak, Ted Barrett, Jim Acosta and Jeremy Diamond, CNN

    Updated 0347 GMT (1147 HKT) February 15, 2019


    …The initial news of Trump’s decision came via Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who said Trump would sign the bill to avoid a shutdown and then declare a national emergency at the same time….

    …..A separate White House official said Trump will both sign the funding bill and the paperwork for his executive actions, including the national emergency, at a 10 a.m. Friday event in the White House Rose Garden.

    Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.

    • Sabine 13.1

      so you are saying that Mexico, the country of murderers and rapists is not paying for the wall.

      oh well, who would have known.

      • Jenny - How to get there? 13.1.1

        Personally I don’t like how you have framed it, But as the US under Trump embraces a more nakedly aggressive US first foreign policy, Mexico will pay, China will pay, the Middle East will pay, the EU will pay, Canada will pay. We will all pay.

  14. greywarshark 14

    Vitamin C explored.
    Meeting was this week.
    I feel that there is a lot to know about it and good to come.

  15. Eco Maori 15

    Here you go whanau national used the maori fisheries settelment act in 1989 to stir up racial tensions to push Labour out of Power. Yes I Know that national finnished of the settelment but Labour could not spray WAI all over national for a prosess that they started that would be like spraying WAI into the wind you end up getting it in your face. That deal suited nationals wealthy greedy M8 the most but its the deal we have now and I can not see a system to replace it. Our new Coalition Goverment has reduced some quoters to more sustainable levels thats much better than shonkys goverment WHO just stuck there head in the sand and were to scared OR well paid to cut quoter to sustainable levels.
    New Zealand law began to regulate commercial fisheries, so that Māori control was substantially eroded. To resolve this grievance, in[[[ 1989 an interim agreement was reached.]]] The Crown transferred 10 percent of New Zealand’s fishing quota (some 60,000 tonnes), together with shareholdings in fishing companies and $50 million in cash, to the Waitangi Fisheries Commission. This commission was responsible for holding the fisheries assets on behalf of Māori until an agreement was reached as to how the assets were to be shared among tribes. In 1992, a second part of the deal, referred to as the Sealord deal, marked full and final settlement of Māori commercial fishing claims under the Treaty of Waitangi. This included 50% of Sealord Fisheries and 20% of all new species brought under the quota

    national shonky did the same with the foreshore and seabed act Hellen was provoked into giving shonky national a tool to steal POWER from Labour with the seabed act racial tensions Labour lost to shonky in 2008

    The foreshore and seabed issue, as part of the larger race relations debate, was one of the most significant points of contention in New Zealand politics at the time, and remains a significant issue for many people. The Labour government’s popularity was severely damaged by the affair, although subsequent polls showed that it recovered its support and Labour was elected for a third term in September 2005.
    While the Act was widely criticised by Māori,

    The big picture is the common maori person gets nothing from national but A harder time paddleing one WAKA and the minority cultures common waka end up going in reverse WTF Ka kite ano. P.S I back our Coalition Goverment the national party just rips the minoritys cultures off and gives a kicking in doing IT and does not respect Tangaroa or Papatuanuku and there creatures.

  16. Eco Maori 16

    Yes shonky is still pulling nationals puppets strings

  17. Eco Maori 17

    Its is quite clear that news corp is being payed by the miners of that nasty substance coal. The don’t care that they news crap and the carbon barrons are going to leave a enviroment that has no wild life and not future the are neanderthals small minded FOOLS who need to be brought under control for ALL OUR MOKOPUNAS FUTURES. Ana to kai
    Several prominent scientists have defended their peers from attacks by the Adanigroup and compliant media outlets, saying the smearing of experts is “morally reprehensible”.
    On Friday, Adani launched a pre-emptive attack on the Queensland government and the authors of an independent review, which has not been finalised yet, into the company’s plans to protect the endangered black-throated finch at the Carmichael mine site.
    On the same day, the company’s international mining chief, Jeyakumar Janakraj, told SBS Punjabi that the Carmichael mine would be “hugely beneficial” to global climate change.
    But as debate on the Adani plan becomes hyperbolic, scientists say attacks on their credibility by vested interests are becoming increasingly common and problematic. In an open letter, signed by several leading researchers, they say “relentless, sustained and defamatory” attacks on scientists undermines the role of science in decision-making.

    Calls for inquiry as Adani confirms it released contaminated water

    “The attacks have consisted of unsubstantiated efforts to smear people instead of addressing the substantive issues,” the letter says.
    “While the treatment of the scientists involved in the Adani review may seem shocking, it is one of many examples of people with vested interests undermining the role of experts in our discourse and decision making. Ka kite ano link below

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/16/scientists-unite-against-adani-attack-on-report-into-endangered-finch P.S The tipping point of the % of people who know climate change is here and NOW

  18. Eco Maori 18

    Whanau when Eco Maori meets good people and they respect you and treat you FAIR well it,s tatu tatu.
    I like the old maori ways we always tryed to give a better Taonga Koha than what we receved.
    And when someone comes along and tries to spray wai on that great auhoaraa well A intelligent person starts asking Question’s as to what the motive of the negative tangata is and from were I am standing its about MANA .
    So I disregard the negative tangata words and carrying treating the positive tangata with respect and I will receve the respect back.

    It would appear the initial blocking of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei from building a critically sensitive 5G network in New Zealand was largely viewed within China as a Five Eyes stitch-up, and it delivered a mild warning foreshadowing economic repercussions.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern maintains there is no diplomatic problem between New Zealand and China, but concedes the relationship is challenging.
    It is clear, however, that it has deteriorated.
    Given it’s a relationship based on $27 billion of two-way trade, that poses a big risk for exports, jobs, tourism and the wider economy. Links below ka kite ano P.S The Eco Maori effect is a privilege and I will use for the good of the many tangata and not the few 00.1 %


  19. Eco Maori 19

    Kia ora Newshub That’s a person who only cares about number 1 and everyone and everything else is of no concern.
    The awa rivers and lakes are in a bad way after they have been in shonkys national party’s care so out of touch O that’s correct they only care about the touch of money.
    Another shooting under the a USA government who is backed by the NRA te tangata te tangata te tangata not MONEY That is what makes a great culture country .
    Waiwera hot pools they were a old Maori tanonga we could use Aotearoa geo thermal resources a back up power supply to complement solar and wind power when we change to 100 % renewable energy.
    That a cool story about the sling shot that is being designed to clean up the space debris around Papatuanukue that is going to be a major hindrance to OUR goals of space travelling.
    Ben hackers can hack any wireless device and Internet connected devices.
    Sorry what I have to say about chocolate food that is part of the cause of the world’s child obesity problem. Did you know that Maori and Pacific Islands people are the people who have got the most Mokopunas that are clinical over weight. Sugar need to be taxed hard and made into fuel.
    Condolences to Dick Churchill whanau that was a great story of him and his m8 trying to break out of a World War 2 prison camp Ka kite ano

  20. Eco Maori 20

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.

  21. Eco Maori 21

    Kia ora R&R Aotearoa people have good humour and Kiwi wit combined.
    Billy T James was a perfect example of classical Kiwi humour.
    YEA it would be nice if our Brown stars get more exposure on MSM I get a sore face watching the Laughing Samoans. We make up about 30 % of the population and don’t get 3 % of positive exposure from MSM the negative EXPOSURE from MSM is Huge thanks. Ka kite ano PS my vision is excellent.?????

  22. Eco Maori 22

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute

  23. Eco Maori 23

    Kia ora R&R Homeless tangata is a phenomenon of colonialism take the whenua take the Mana take the culture take te reo Away put us in a world where only a white mans has all the power who only share the resources with themselves and you get a broken tangata.
    national new there was a housing crisis they created it they shorted the housing markets so them and there rich m8s could make millions. The houseing market have be shorted in all the 5 country’s in the 5 eyes coincidences NO its a set up for the wealthy. Ka kite ano

  24. Eco Maori 26

    High Houses prices = housing shortage = homeless tangata

  25. Eco Maori 27

    The banks realestate companys insurence companys local goverment and central goverments are all make heaps off a housing crisses the housing markets are so easy to be shorted increase immigration make the local rules to build a house 20 * more expenceve and WALAR the wealthy are hogging all the money they bleed out of the common person ka kite ano.

    If someone else trys to justify nationals causing this housing crisis through ignorance they will get Eco Maori wrath

  26. Eco Maori 28

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.

  27. Eco Maori 29

    Kia ora Newshub Newshub That was a close call for the helicopter near miss in Tasman that was fighting the fire there.
    That’s a good response from MPI for the fruit fly found in Auckland a ban on moving vegetables and fruits in a desensited air. That 16 million spent last time a fruit fly for 16 flys found is nothing compared to the billions lost from our horticultural industries in lost future earnings our food is the best in the WORLD.
    The South Islands Helicopter farmers are crying foul because because there privatesation by stealth are using an excuse that they have put hard work in the whenua that’s just working for your money what about the common person who gets the minamim wage and still has no security for there futures. It’s cool that Te reo is getting popular and a app translating te reo into Mandarin.
    Its shocking what’s has happen in Syria.
    I DON’T KNOW the engineer who worked for Rocket lab who died in a motorcycle accident is a bit suspect I say he was very good motercyle rider.
    I, It was cooler today. Ka kite ano

  28. Eco Maori 30

    Some things up I could not edit my mahi our road are quite uneven and it does not take much to lose traction on a road bike I had a friend who brought a bike and crashed it it the first 2 days fix it and crashed again he did not hit anything just lost traction Ka kite ano P.S I have to be careful what I write so I retract the suspicious of the Rocket lab engineer accident

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