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A bit weird that on Morning Report Mr Luxon seemed to agree with everything this Government is doing. Is he undergoing a U-turn?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018877829/luxon-backs-delaying-parliament-a-week
No. I think his political minders have had the sense to tell him now is not a good time to play politics – and he has had the sense, finally, to understand.
I don't know, just caught him on tv1 news,
He was getting plenty of politics in , couldn't here who was asking the questions but the cynic in me reackons he was being lobbed free hits.
Even tried out a new campaign slogan I reckon, let's get it done,
Noted that. Inappropriate at this time. Couldn't wait a week.
A corollary of this is that a strong message has gone out from the centre-right to the nutter right wing that rationality and social cohesion are more important than blind oppositional defiance. A bit of 'me, too' politics but also importantly distancing from that vocal fringe craziness.
But other people are doing it, and doing it worse than us.
A riff on the Whataboutism frequently trotted out by the supporters of Putin'sbloody invasion of Ukraine, who constantly toss up the US invasion of Iraq and other US atrocities as an excuse for Russia to do the same.
[TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
Its not an excuse 'to do the same'…
Its just pointing out the immense hypocrisy…. not a word from you about the Nato 20 yr occupation of Kosovo , in reality a frozen conflict.
That too was an invasion of a sovereign country – which had its infrastructure wrecked by natos immense bombing campaign.
That invasion/occupation exists 'right now'…. but you have blinkers
Doubling down on the whataboutism?!
You've got to be joking
"…. not a word from you about the Nato 20 yr occupation of Kosovo ,"
So what?
I also never mentioned US atrocities in Afghanistan, or Vietnam or the overthrow Mosaddegh in Iran in '53, or Arbenz in Guatemala in '54 or US complicity in the overthrow and murder of 'Allende in Chile in ''73 I never mentioned the CIA flights of Extraordinary Rendition to Syria for torture in the '90s. This is not the full list of US crimes against humanity, not even close. Abu Graib, Guantanamo etc
I did say; "… and all the other US atrocities". I just didn't know I had to list them all..
But no matter how long the list of US atrocities, whataboutism, still doesn't make the case for the Russian Federation to do the same.
Or getting back to this post whataboutism is no excuse for us to do nothing about climate change.
So what is the level of your outrage of the occupation of another countrys sovereign territory by Nato.
Righto , got that. Keep calm and carry on
But that occupation did not start the conflict, did it? There's a heavy moral price for those who start wars, whatever that nation is.
No the Kosovo war started with a Nato attack on Serbia and a massive aerial bombardment.
Not too different to the Saudi attack on its neighbour Yemen, with massive air raids on the cities, both supported by US and UK , indeed US had direct support
‘A coalition led by Saudi Arabia launched military operations by using air strikes to restore the former Yemeni government. The United States has provided intelligence and logistical support for the Saudi-led campaign’
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Wheres the consequences for those ongoing invasions/occupations. LMAO
Yemen – Ukraine ? let me guess only one you care about
A recognised government has the right to ask for help during a civil war.
SA bombed the rebels in Yemen. Russia bombed the rebels in Syria.
Before the NATO intervention there was ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo, apparently part of the break up of a federal government of Yugoslavia was some ethnic cleansing to reboot as Serbia (sans Croatia and Slovenia), seeking to ethnically cleanse in Kosovo and carve out part of Bosnia.
I suppose you opposed our concern about that stuff in Rwanda and Burundi, but waiting to let them be do the international criminal court stuff afterwards …is one reason why there was action re Kosovo.
And a government has the right to ask for assistance when the victim of an invasion, as per Ukraine.
Please …recognised government that lost power . It happens
It was some time later after The President fled to Riyadh that the Saudis and US started their bombing
So if Putin attacked just after Yanukovich fled to Moscow, to return him to power, it would OK? But doesnt Putin now claim he invaded to protect Russians living in Ukraine, but hes not allowed to do that its only western leaning countries that can unilaterally bomb and invade.
Civil wars happen all over the world
Your couture anti-war sentiments are the usual elites view from the EU of when we do it its all right.
The attack on Serbia wasnt UN approved so was illegal, same as Saudi attack on Yemen.
Self defence only remember, not self interest
Until a new government is recognised – had any new government in Yemen been recognised?
The post Yankovich government had been recognised, including by Russia.
Who cares what Putin claims? Only the UNSC veto and nukes makes his and 4 other nations, a law unto themselves.
Milošević like those involved in ethnic cleansing in Rwanda and Burundi has been before the ICC.
Serbia remains a candidate to join the EU, but has not been admitted. To this point there has been a pattern, Serbia is Serbia and no one but Serbs want to live under their rule. And apart from Kosovo has come to accept this.
Is there something Russia needs to learn?
If Serbia can deny statehood to Kosovo, why cannot Ukraine deny any annexation into Russia of the Donbass enclaves and Crimea or expect international assitance for any invasion of its territory?
“…..Righto , got that. Keep calm and carry on”
Ghostwhowalksnz
Tell it to the Ukrainians being murdered in their beds by Russian missiles or freezing in the Northern winter without heating.
That would make a lovely speech for those beauty pageants where they fervently wish for world peace
A speech made by a beauty pageant contestant, condemning the Russian assault on Ukraine in support of the people being brutalised and killed by the Russian Federation, would still be lightyears ahead of your support for this disgusting atrocity made by you in this forum.
sounds like the body of the firefighter in Muriwai has been found.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/484262/muriwai-slip-body-found-in-search-for-trapped-firefighter
there have been two other deaths in the Napier area.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131231306/two-dead-overnight-amid-the-devastation-of-cyclone-gabrielle-in-hawkes-bay
We are there now.
All the politicians here and overseas who refused to act over climate change when they had the chance to have blood on their hands.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131237171/cyclone-gabrielle-child-found-dead-over-1400-unable-to-be-contacted
Everyone a little preoccupied this morning?
What help is required that can be transported North?
Ki Ora whano
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Kia Kaha whano
Seems quite weird that when I go on my mobile on this site I get a version of several says ago but once I have commented it comes back to normal.
it's a glitch. There's a thread in today's OM about it.
Puzzled as to why my mobile has a version which is 4 days old.
Your lucky – mine is still 5 days old 🙂