Open mike 16/05/2013

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107 comments on “Open mike 16/05/2013”

  1. Paul 1

    The Sky city deal..negative externalities

    The Herald mentions these side effects
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10883937

    “However, while Mr Joyce has released a detailed financial report on the deal prepared by corporate advisers KordaMentha, he has yet to release official advice about the social impact of allowing SkyCity an additional 230 pokie machines and 52 more gaming tables as well as ticket-in, ticket-out technology which increases gambling profits…….
    Questioned by Greens co-leader Metiria Turei, Mr Joyce told Parliament those effects had not been quantified. Mr Joyce said the department’s advice would be released in time for the public to consider it before changes to the Gambling Act were made.

    Ms Turei cited a 2010 Australian Productivity Commission gambling study which put the cost to society of each problem gambler as high as A$30,000 ($36,000).”

    From the film, the Corporation, an explanation of Externalities.
    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aCGTD5Bn1m0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaCGTD5Bn1m0

    And a quote
    “A corporation is an externalizing machine in the same way that a shark is a killing machine. Each one is designed in a very particular way to accomplish certain objectives. In the achievement of those objectives there isn’t any question of
    malevolence or will. The enterprise has within it, and the shark has within it, thosecharacteristics that enable it do that for which it was designed.”

  2. North 2

    Be interesting to know whom Ms “Gold Elite” is ?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10883942

    Firstly to ask Ms “Gold Elite” whether this Herald report is accurate.

    Secondly, if she were to confirm the bare facts, to pose a reverse Gilmore enquiry – “Who the fuck are you – bitch ?”

    Facebook please assist.

    • Paul 2.1

      That’s what happens in society when you tell people they’re ‘gold elite’.
      A sense of entitlement.

    • Colonial Viper 2.2

      Ah yes, some rich prick, willing to not just inconvenience a disabled woman reliant on a wheelchair, but 150 other people on a plane.

      Make ’em news, and ask them to justify their self-centred shittiness.

      Oh and please mention to them that National needs a new list candidate, this “Gold Elite” biyarch seems to have the qualifications to apply.

      • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1

        +1

        • Colonial Viper 2.2.1.1

          In addition, it’s a statutory requirement to follow the instructions of flight crew if you are a passenger on a plane.

          Charges should be considered.

          • freedom 2.2.1.1.1

            at least put her on Permanent Stand By status on all future bookings 🙂
            might allow her time to think on life if her freedom of movement is handicapped for a change

    • Draco T Bastard 2.3

      It’s the result of the me me me society that we’ve built over the last few decades.

    • David H 2.4

      Definite National supporter got that mememememe down pat!

  3. Adrian 3

    The description points to Judith Collins.

    • Paul 3.1

      They know it was a flight from Auckland to Wellington yesterday. Shouldn’t be too hard to find out which flight it was on. Just needs one tweet!

      • veutoviper 3.1.1

        The Herald article provides the answer in the second to last paragraph:

        “There was no issue with the availability of aisle chairs and the problem experienced on flight NZ247 did not occur often.”

        • North 3.1.1.1

          Which might be simply to say that it’s unusual for the deserving “Gold Elite” to exhibit such cowish behaviour. The point made by Paul at 2.1 about “entitlement” transcending decency remains.

        • Rob 3.1.1.2

          probably Jacinda

          • freedom 3.1.1.2.1

            “well turned out” 40-something blonde -”
            Rob, reading articles before commenting on them is a long accepted method of aiding comprehension

            • Rob 3.1.1.2.1.1

              What, is she not well turned out in your opinion?

              • felix

                She doesn’t have the required personality type.

                What made you bring up her name, Rob?

                • McFlock

                  Probably the same thing that gives him the impression Ardern is blonde.

                  My bet is long-term and excessive drug use.

              • freedom

                “Rob, reading articles before commenting on them is a long accepted method of aiding comprehension”

          • Murray Olsen 3.1.1.2.2

            Improving Rob, but you still need to try harder. You probably just lost your honorary membership in the Blubber Army by mentioning Jacinda without the compulsory comments about teeth. Put your photo up, arsewipe.

    • North 3.2

      Must say that prospect occurred to me immediately but I dismissed it on account of Judy’s related sense of “noblesse oblige”.

      Further question – how did Ms “Gold Elite” obtain her status ? Frequent flying in performance of a public or quasi-public role ? A “consultant” (or spouse of ) to ShonKey Python’s Flying Circus, savouring good old troughing perhaps ?

      I well recall the media uproar when Charles Chauvel got hoha with the in-flight ill-behaviour of the entitled spawn of an ACT Party official.

      This needs investigation. To be entrusted to no less a figure than the award-winning John Armstrong !

      • karol 3.2.1

        I would have thought that if Ms gold Elite was an MP, it would have been hinted at. Also, the woman in the wheel chair is a TV spokesperson for disability rights, and probably quite politically aware. My guess is she would have known if the elitist woman was an MP.

        • Tim 3.2.1.1

          I was thinking Jooolie Christie at first, but then an Attitude producer should have known the extent of her self-aggrandisement, and would not have been surprised.
          Besides, I’m not sure if she has kuds, and if she does – my deepest sympathy to them

    • Winston Smith 3.3

      Judith Collins:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Collins

      In her 50s and has one son so probably not her

      • Pascal's bookie 3.3.1

        Interesting you thought it could have been though.

        • alwyn 3.3.1.1

          It wasn’t Winston who thought of her. It was an explicit statement by someone who posts under the identifier Adrian. Why not have a go at him (or her).

          • Pascal's bookie 3.3.1.1.1

            “In her 50s and has one son so probably not her”

            I repeat it, in the hope you might think about it this time.

            • Winston Smith 3.3.1.1.1.1

              I wasn’t there so I can’t say for certain it wasn’t her, like I can’t say for certain it wasn’t Jacinda Adern (it probably wasn’t)

              • Pascal's bookie

                Fair enough, it was a good call. Given she failed the replicant test today I certainly wouldn’t assume she was any better than this either.

  4. Lanthanide 4

    I commented yesterday about Angelina Jolie getting the double mastectomy, and followed up by saying I wasn’t sure if it was covered under the public system in NZ or not.

    Turns out it is. The (expensive, patented) test for the BRCA gene mutations are covered, the mastectomy is covered and the follow-up reconstructive surgery is covered. Heard from a clip of an interview replayed at ~10:20pm last night on National Radio with the creator of the Gift Of Knowledge website who try to increase awareness of the BRCA gene defects.

    • Dv 4.1

      I initially had the thought that if the gene was patented, then may be bearer of the the gene could sue those that held the patent. But sadly it was the test that is patented.

    • David H 4.2

      Well it now seems that, that nasty little mutation has screwed up her chances of living to a ripe old age, unless out come the Ovaries and other associated bits.

  5. Adrian 5

    So why is the waiting list for reconstruction after mascectomies very, very long?

    • Populuxe1 5.1

      Presumably because life-saving and essential surgeries take precedence? Just a guess.

  6. Draco T Bastard 6

    I’ve said before that modern technology can allow us to make collaborative decisions. It appears that other have been thinking the same way:

    https://www.loomio.org/about

    • Bill 6.1

      Approached with a massive dollop of skeptism, not a little cynicism and….thanks for the link. Need to look at it a bit more, but it looks, from a cursory run through, like it could be a very powerful tool for organising. Cheers. 😉

  7. North 7

    Kate Chapman and Tracy Watkins on Stuff – What the hell are you up to ?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8677608/Gains-after-five-years-of-pain

    The headline is “Gains after five years of pain”.

    In support (apparently) of this headline Chapman and Watkins furnish comments from four separate quarters. THREE of FOUR comments unmistakeably give the lie to the headline for God’s Sake.

    Only ONE of FOUR comments (from the Khandallah mother with kids – replete with smiling photograph) goes anywhere near supporting the soundbite headline. “Overall I would say things are better……” ????

    Chapman and Watkins – is it standard in your joint journalistic brilliance to engage the clanging non-sequitur ?

    The headline risibly misrepresents the article’s very terms. What’s this about please ?

    • karol 7.1

      Typical: government spin lines in the headlines and at the top of the article; the alternative views and evidence buried at the bottom of the article. This is what counts as balance in the MSM these days.

    • Winston Smith 7.2

      I’m doing much better now than when Labour was last in power and I expect I’ll do better now after this budget then last year

      • karol 7.2.1

        Are you one of the 2%?

      • Colonial Viper 7.2.2

        Newsflash Winston: life in NZ isn’t all about you.

        • Winston Smith 7.2.2.1

          No but I bet theres more people like me than you…like at the last two election results

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.2.1.1

            You see that’s your mistake. Even the most self centred of those people would agree with me that life in NZ is not all about you Winston.

          • veutoviper 7.2.2.1.2

            Some statistics for you, WS – not from Kiwiblog or Whaleoil

            Duty rightie, WS, came on duty at 10.03am this morning and filed 8 comments in the 17 minutes, 10.03am to 10.20am.

            • North 7.2.2.1.2.1

              Veuto……the dick Winston’s just showing off, or trying to.

              He’ll be down New World by 12.00 midday, ostentatiously heaving premium brand products onto the checkout conveyor belt. “Look at Me Look at Me…….”

              A thick Two-Bob-Tory I’d suggest.

          • mickysavage 7.2.2.1.3

            Actually WS most of them are deluded and will never acquire the wealth they think they are destined to have. Like Amway salesmen in a pyramid that traps them into subservient deference to those above them they aint going anywhere.

      • North 7.2.3

        “I’m doing much better now than when Labour……”

        So what Winston ? What does that prove ? Akin to saying that your experience of life is conclusively reflective of the experience of life of the rest of the world.

        You must develop the maturity to forgive others the rank temerity of not focusing on you and you alone. Hopeless case you are.

        • Winston Smith 7.2.3.1

          Its as valid a statement as other people saying they’re worse off

          • Draco T Bastard 7.2.3.1.1

            The problem being that most people are worse off while a selfish few are better off. The fact being that those few are better off because the rest of the population is worse off.

            • Winston Smith 7.2.3.1.1.1

              Well under Labour I was worse off (no WFF for me) and under National I’m better off

              • Colonial Viper

                Didn’t we decide that governing a country is not all about you, Winston?

                No WFF? So you are a top 2%er earning clear over $100K.

                • lprent

                  More likely he doesn’t have kids. From his statements here, you’d have to wonder why anyone (especially a woman with any self-respect) would care to breed with him.

              • Draco T Bastard

                And you’re better off because this government has, purposefully, made the majority of people worse off.

          • North 7.2.3.1.2

            The prevaricating fool Winston Myth aye ?

            Valid as to you maybe, you clever wee master of the universe, or so you claim.

            That’s no proof of any other reality. Who’s interested in your Two-Bob-Tory reality anyway. Hardly a proud thing.

    • Paul 7.3

      Corporate media ..what did you expect?

    • ghostrider888 7.4

      from recent Q.Ts;
      English-“our debts are relatively high”
      Robertson- from the HLFS (supported by Key); “40,000 jobs behind target; above the worst-case scenario of the last budget”.
      Joyce,- “not growing them (jobs) as fast as we would like to”.
      Parker- “current account deficit amongst worst in the world; non-tradeables down 6.4%; unemployment above 7% in Auckland”.
      Brent Edwards- “current account deficit will get worse”.
      Norman- “sceptical NAct will use key (macro-economic) tools”.
      Ardern- “material deprivation risen from 15-21%”.

      ON HOUSE PRICES;
      IMF- “overvalued by 25%; sudden economic shock could damage (modest) recovery, damage banks financial positions; low savings rates persist”- Patrick O’Mara.
      factors behind high house prices
      -supply
      -high building costs; materials and compliance costs.
      -earthquake; as an aside, heard a commentary “imagine what sort of economy NZ would have without the rebuild stimulus???
      English- “they threaten the economy; more affordability in TWO YEARS time”!
      Corin Dann- lying shill.

      Darien Fenton- speaking to the Electronic Transactions (Contract Formation) Amendment Bill- flustered; “I may have the wrong bill”. Goodness gracious me Nana, easy to appreciate the criticism of sitting Labour MPs at times, still, correct assertion that the govt. should be bringing bills to the house that DO have a real impact on IT.

      All-Blacks assault-on-female charge withdrawn.
      McDonalds- Police “heavy-handed” towards protesters; perceived conflict of interest as 11,000 Police Association members receive discounted fast-food; 10-50% from various franchisees.Corruption?

      More anonymous social-media bullying; ask.fm.

      The average age of a New Zealand truck-driver is 51 years of age; shakes head.
      48 women in New Zealand die of a heart-attack every week.
      Dementia rates likely to double in the next 30 years.

      17:9 He who covers over an offense promotes love yet whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

      17:10 A rebuke impresses a man of discernment more than a hundred lashes a fool.

      17:17 A friend loves at all times and a brother is born for adversity.

      Call The Doctor

      Overseas; The CIA confiscate Associated Press records exposing a counter-insurgency operation.

  8. Anne 8

    Fascinating reading:

    Dane Susan second choice for race job – OIA documents

    The interview panel consisted of Defence Ministry chief, Helene Quilter, NZ Post Group chief, Brian Roche and Secretary for Justice, Andrew Bridgman.

    Who selected, or caused to be selected, this panel? – Judith Collins?

    Why were they chosen? – because they knew what Judith Collins expected of them?

    Why did they describe Susan Devoy in such over the top glowing language? – because they knew there were far better qualified candidates available, but because they weren’t former sports stars and didn’t fulfil the National Party affiliation test, they were not going to be acceptable to the minister?

    In other words, they were ministerial ‘grease’ balls?

  9. karol 9

    And the OIA gets released under cover of budget day.

  10. Winston Smith 10

    Seriously someone in the Labour party should stop MPs tweeting:

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/the-nasty-party-returns-no-surprises-it-is-sue-moroney/

    • fender 10.1

      Seriously someone needs to inform Winston Smith that Chris73 likes to be the one providing the whale-crap links.

  11. Anne 11

    The Whale Blubber calling Labour “the nasty party”. What a glorious contradiction in terms.

    Winston Smith, please go back to Whale Oil. It’s where you belong. It requires no intellectual substance. Perfect for right wing nut jobs.

    • karol 11.1

      Indeed, Anne. With the Aaron Gilmore business, we have seen how nasty National can be to its own. Many right wingers seem so self unaware, and/or devious. They spend a lot of time projecting their own faults and weaknesses onto the left.

      • Populuxe1 11.1.1

        And vice versa, but with more “Holier than thou” sanctimoniousness.

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.1

          The irony.

        • North 11.1.1.2

          So Pop-Soap you’re saying that identifying the ugliness of “Gold Elite”, self-obssession, a defiant lack of broad social awareness, and ShonKey Python cargo-cultism – that’s sanctimony is it ?

          Get a grip. Pick up your mate Winston Myth and off to Slater Porn. Your natural habitat.

          • Tim 11.1.1.2.1

            I was thinking (in my entra – preen- urial dreams) that I might try a new summertime thirst quencher – one of those iced delicacies that satisfies the immediate desire, but has no nutritional value.
            It’ll be called a Populuxicle. It’ll have a vast surface area one can suck on, but it’s longer term content and structure will be as useful as the last time I had to point Percy at the parquet. The populuxicle will of course feel the ultimate pleasure in its being devoured by its cast of thousands seeking to quench their thirst.
            I admit my Popsicle competitors might unleash all hell to ensure their market has a superior product, but the Populuxicle – if only by virtue of its better labelling will provide the market with ‘choice’. Something we’ve been sadly lacking over recent times.
            There’ll be various versions of the Populuxicle with appropriate labelling, but esentially based on the flavours used.
            I aniticipate that Populuxicle 1 will be based on the humble mango, though later there’ll be 1.1 (with a coriander addition), a 1.2 (with a hint of capsicum) …. and so on
            Populuxicle 2 will be based on the humble strawberry, and 3 – the banana

          • Populuxe1 11.1.1.2.2

            No, simply that there’s plenty of bullshit on both sides, so take your pick: the greedy neoliberal tories of the right or the sanctimonious career bureaucrats of the left.

      • Winston Smith 11.1.2

        The difference being that Gilmore left reasonably quickly whereas Labours erstwhile coilition partner NZfirst don’t seem to be able to convince horan to move on and of course MPs called Carter and Field seemed to hang around for an eternity…

        • Te Reo Putake 11.1.2.1

          Rubbish. Both Gilmore and Horan hung around for a couple of weeks. The difference is that NZF showed some spine and chucked him out of their party. National just relied on the dirty tricks brigade to destroy Gilmore’s reputation further to the point where he had no option but too resign from Parliament. He’s still a loyal, card carrying Nat.

          ps, erstwhile coalition partner? I thought it was National sucking up to NZF last week. Desperate times for lil Johnny Sparkles.

          • Winston Smith 11.1.2.1.1

            I think you’ll find that Horan didn’t hang around for weeks rather that hes still there

            • felix 11.1.2.1.1.1

              Bollocks. He was kicked out of his party very quickly, something Key and National didn’t have the spine to do with Gilmore at all.

              • aerobubble

                Fact is Gilmore caused his own grief, Horan family is causing his, and so in order to protect MPs from those who would bully and use their knowledge of a particular MP to influence and so parliament, it stands to reason why Horan must not leave, least it becomes open session on the rest of them. Duh. In the week that the government offers up the biggest gambler pork in history of this country, its hard to beat Horan over the head over any alleged issues. Duh. It would certainly be opportune if the govt gave Horan a nice job outside parliament and take the smell away but that would require Key having some smarts. But I bet most MPs could quite easily find themselves hassled by family if the cards fell differently.

            • Te Reo Putake 11.1.2.1.1.2

              “I think you’ll find that Horan didn’t hang around for weeks rather that hes still there”

              Not as a member of NZ First.

              And at least Peters actually met with Horan and put the difficult questions to him directly. Key, being a gutless wonder, didn’t even speak to Gilmore. Just left it to Slater and Lusk.

        • Pascal's bookie 11.1.2.2

          Laugh.

          Gilmore was staying till Lusk et al started blackmailing him into leaving

          Meanwhile the PM was saying it was all up to Gilmore, and hesitated to start proceedings against him because it was expensive and took ages. The National party’s rules are like the USSR’s constitution; a pretty piece of paper with no relation to how the thing actually operates.

        • lprent 11.1.2.3

          …Labours erstwhile coilition partner NZfirst…

          Wasn’t John Key claiming he was talking to Winston about cooperation over several things including the next term a few weeks ago? Before NZ First refuted it…

          Bearing in mind the imminent death of Act and Tainted Future, the failing health of the Maori party, and what currently looks like the 1-3% abortion of Colin Craig’s ego party. National desperately needs a coalition party with some voting muscle in the next parliament. They are quite likely to wind up as being the biggest minority party – unable to form a viable government.

          Which is why they get more and more desperate as Labour + Greens (mostly because of the Greens) edge closer to being able to govern together.

          I’m going to be amused by the abrupt change of heart by National fools like yourself over the next 18 months as the electoral realities slowly chisel their way into your (alleged but never sighted) intelligence..

        • Murray Olsen 11.1.2.4

          If leaving quickly is such a virtue, WS, cya 🙂

    • Ed 11.2

      Whale appears to be trying to rehabilitate himself prior tot he change of government:
      http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/why-is-nathan-guy-lying/

  12. Poission 12

    More evidence that the fictional being the “market ” is a casino with loaded dice ie the fix is in.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/statoil-raided-by-competition-authorities-in-oil-price-probe.html

    Similarly in us electricity markets with JP Morgan now suspended from electricity trading.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323744604578473432303787220.html

    • aerobubble 12.1

      How free market is the Auckland gambling market now one player has a conference center paid out of future licensing concessions?

      • North 12.1.1

        In a gala turf-turning ceremony to be named the “Sir ShonKey Python Fuck The Nation Centre”.

    • vto 12.2

      The free market doesn’t work in many most situations..

      Latest example being Bill English’s admission that the free market is incapable of providing for the demand of low cost housing in Auckland.

      “Free market can’t do it”, says Bill English, “hence we need central government intervention. In fact it is the same with dairy farmers who also need big government intervention. Oh and also the sharemarket the NZX who last week we gave MRP.”….. Bill English was wearing a red tie at the press conference..

  13. Pascal's bookie 13

    Best thing on the internet today:

    • ghostrider888 13.1

      The next big Idea ; how symbols, language and intelligence evolved from our primate ancestors to modern humans.
      Stanley I. Greenspan
      Stuart G. Shanker

  14. xtasy 14

    A youngnster many years ago I dreamt, I also dreaded, I read about adventures in North America, South America, Middle East and more. I loved adventrure books, and despite of them being largely fictitious, they taught me heaps. There is a world out there, and I can tell a lot about it. But we have now a society, also in NZ, where all this does NOT matter, at least it seems that way.

    We have overseas investors and others take away our rights and what we used to believe in. we are mere servants in our own country, more or less. The government wil l never admit this, but we are, and day to day busines will let you all know. It is time to call an end to this selling out, this self discapacitating nonsense, and to take hold again of your own affairs and country, that is NZ!

    I have no answers at this stage, but offer a vague comment of a revolution of a sorts attached:

    That is not what most of you want, but offer ideas and deliver, we are on the brink!!!

    [lprent: corrected your email typo as i released from moderation. ]

  15. xtasy 15

    Dare I say, the “left” in NZ is virtually non existent, you guys need to blod wake yup and get a damned life, as what I see is a total failure to deal with a “budget” of a “benevolent” “right wing” type. Yes, it is a bad budget, and it is full of hatred to the poor, but it serves most in middle class, and is this not the honest failure of Labour and the Left, to not have a better answer to cater for the middle class???

    I declare to ALL of YOU, being Labour, National, or any party slightly a bit towards the “centre” MY WAR, and that is THE WAR, of many others, that are at the BOTTOM, the very BOTTOM, the LOSERS, in this society, that BOTH of your ROTTEN parties try to cater for, the rot, the betrayal, the lies we had for so damned long, that is against THE TRULY LEFT, that you spread, has to take and be an bloody END.

    WE had bloody ENOUGH, of this crap, and no matter whether it is a shallow dealer like Shearer, or another right wing, attempted populist like Key, we hate and despise you both and all.

    YOU are LIARS, TRAITORS, convenient servers to economic self serving key operators. There is NO TRUST many, if not most, have in YOU.

    So get a LIFE, get off your target and carpet, YOU do NOT deserve TRUST and CREDIT to be part of AnY GOVERNMENT!

    Go and go to HELL, Key, Shearer and ALL LIARS!

    [lprent: Corrected your email typo as I released it from moderation. Since I had the comment open in an editor, I also fixed your excessive capitals, a type and an example of poor grammer. The former in a better type size making the max height of the characters of affected paragraphs the same as the expected average height, and the latter in bold and a strikeout. Perhaps you shouldn’t give me an opportunity to do so in the future? ]

    • xtasy 15.1

      Admittedly a bit over the top, but get to the facts, and caps are not really all that much of the post made. But then again, I will not bother arguing about nitty gritty. I will in future write everything in tiny letters then so it will not offend and will not even be noticed, I suppose.

      nor was a protest outside vector arena in auckland city noticed today, by most, ahem, well, most media were there, even all tv stations, did film, and simon collins, useless social affairs journo from granny nz herald was there, but no reports, as if it did not take place.

      democracy in nz is a sick joke, it does not exist, and being lectured about sizes of letters does not encourage. i indeed want to sign off for good from this unintelligent society called nz, where most do not give a shit for each other, and it is everyone for their own aggrandisement.

      wish i had never come to this lost land!

    • Populuxe1 15.2

      I think someone needs to have some time out on the naughty seat until they calm down. Democracy works here just fine, some of the parties need to sort their shit out.

      • The Al1en 15.2.1

        I contest democracy works just fine here.
        It can’t when peter jackson and sky city can buy laws.
        It can’t when party members are denied a vote by at least 22 of caucus.
        It can’t when ministers of the crown get off scot free for lying about receiving anonymous donations.

        No argument with the last ten words.

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