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Open mike 18/04/2019

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  1. A 1

    Imperial Homes eh.


    “I heard [councillor] Chris Darby equate our situation to buying a meal at a restaurant and being asked to pay extra for cutlery. I’d say it’s more accurate to say it’s like paying for a combo from McDonald’s, then being asked to pay extra for the fries and drink.”

    Walker suggested the Jansens add a 15-day due diligence clause into the contract so they could find out a bit more. But Jonathan says Imperial was reluctant to put in a due diligence clause, so their lawyer talked again about red flags. She advised them to pull out of the deal.

    But they had fallen in love with the house. Jonathan says they agreed to scratch the due diligence clause, but asked to see the plans for the house.

    Imperial agreed, but Jonathan says they didn’t receive anything extra.

    “So we signed it — we really wanted it. But I was worried about the way it was $44,000 in cash and to a separate company. It was niggling at me.”

    Then the consultant contacted them again. Jonathan says Imperial told them it was upgrading the flooring from carpet and tiles to laminate because they knew the couple had a dog.

    Thanks but no thanks, said Jonathan. They’d stick with the carpet and tiles, which they reckoned were worth more than laminate anyway.

    “[She] called three hours later and said someone else was interested in the house. Another family had come in and talked to the director directly, she told us, and those people were happy with the laminate flooring.

    “She said the company had already ordered the laminate and she sent us a new quote — up from $44,000 to $48,000 to incorporate the $4000 ‘upgrade’ to laminate.”

    • patricia bremner 1.1

      A, This situation is the Developer getting squeezed and creating an out.
      When we built in the 70s the homeowner had 12 mths to create fences driveways etc.
      We just got a 1200 square foot home, bare boards on the floor, lighting we had up graded and that was it. Progress payments assisted in meeting dead lines.
      It could be said their developer was using two sets of documents…. one for Council and a variation for the customer…fraud? misleading the Council? Very tricky.

      • Herodotus 1.1.1

        The rules that a developer had to comply with to enable an SHA were specific, and the price level for a finished home was set at the time of the consent being issued.
        “sold for no more than 75 per cent of the Auckland region median house price.”
        The developer has “Managed” this to comply (??) – and with the extras does the development still comply with the SHA requirements ? Possibly Not. But who will follow up on this ?and it becomes another case of a developer not acting with any integrity, but getting away with it, and profiting.
        ““So we signed it — we really wanted it. But I was worried about the way it was $44,000 in cash and to a separate company. It was niggling at me.” – Perhaps the IRD should have a wee look to make sure that everything from a tax position has been accounted for correctly. As it appears from the story, the couple signed away many of the protections that were in place, and the developer was able to use the situation to max. their interest.

  2. WeekendWarrior 2

    Reflecting on the events yesterday regarding CGT, and a lot of the views on here that this was a politically savvy play – I’m not so convinced. I do think that electioneering and the debates in the lead up to an election play quite a significant role in election success. At the moment, National’s talking points will focus on the fact that key election promises made by Labour have either been a failure or dropped. Kiwibuild (currently failing), 1st year free education (expensive, and not showing great stimulus to student numbers), and now CGT dumped (showing that the tail i.e. Winston is wagging the dog). Aside from Jacinda’s handling of Christchurch events, Labour doesn’t have many wins on the board. Labour needs policy wins! The current love in the polls will only last so long..and who knows what sweeteners National will offer NZF to jump ship.

    • patricia bremner 2.1

      Weekend warrior, it has been stated by National that student numbers haven;t increased. correct…less from overseas. NZ students have increased, especially in teaching by a fifth, and trades are picking up.

      • lprent 2.1.1

        and since the education funding changes were targeted at local students, I’ll just summarise to

        National – lying again.

  3. vto 3

    So the construction sector and the government need to work together to sort the sector out….

    This is clearly yet further evidence of the failure of the free market and neoliberal policies.

    Like the finance sector
    Like the mining sector
    Like the housing sector
    Like the farming sector

    How much more evidence is needed before everyone realises that free market policies require very careful implementation given their propensity for disastrous outcomes.

    Imagine trying to apply it to health???
    Or education???
    Or housing??… oh wait, it has been and the outcome is a disaster leading to lower home ownership, not increased..
    Or employment?? … oh wait, it has been but the employers don’t like it when the demand-supply equation they all voted for works against them, so squeal and cry to nanny state for intervention.

    • RedLogix 3.1

      It’s a balancing act. Too little regulation and you get all the outcomes neoliberalism has delivered us since the 80’s. Too much and you stifle risk and innovation, everything slowly stagnates and dies. Understanding this balance is not easy.

      A healthy market needs a diversity of players with different appetites for risk. One of the more attractive models that we know works, is that the state should act as the stodgy, low risk, ‘provider of last resort’ across a range of industries.

      The desirable fraction of state involvement varies by industry. Health and education are both long term, high stakes industries where the state already has a dominant position. Corner stores and car dealers much less so. Others like housing and insurance the state has a clear role in providing a ‘floor’ in the market below which no other private provider can fall and stay in business.

      We already do this to a large extent; we just need to start thinking about it more strategically.

      • Ad 3.1.1

        I agree with your comment in the abstract.

        But this government needs to show that it is a pro-market-regulation government.

        At the moment its strongest intervention is with wads of poorly-designed cash handouts in the form of a $3 billion slush fund. The regulation is so bad that government oversight agencies are putting the hard ruler over them.

        The Chorus mess with oppressive contracts is a direct responsibility of the government through Crown Fibre Holdings, such that MBIE are stepping in much harder.

        Waikato Hospital Hospital Board is about to be sacked.

        They are proposing to re-regulate the entire secondary school industry, polytech industry, justice industry, and many more in the public arena, before we start getting to their woolly ideas on construction “cooperation”.

        There is no common strategy, theme, legislative direction, or collective purpose to any of it. It’s pretty incoherent.

  4. francesca 4

    Another in the long list of journalism awards for Julian Assange


    The Galizia award

    • Andre 4.1

      Cameron Slater won awards too.

      • greywarshark 4.1.1

        That little comment dripping with malice. It doesn’t add anything to the discourse or the gathering of facts about Assange. Comes under the old saying that if you haven’t got something that adds usefully to the conversation, don’t say anything. This is a positive input because it is necessary for us to aim at striking a good balance of discussion so we don’t become a little den of gossip, innuendo and slanging matches. The TS needs to be better than that.

      • mauī 4.1.2

        Good to know he is one of your heros.

        • Brigid

          It’s good you think it good that he is anyone’s hero.
          He is certainly one of Roger Water’s hero’s as he says in this interview
          “The most important information, that we, Julians Assange’s fellow citizens of the globe need, is information about the secret malfeasance and wrong doing of government, which are legend”

          Of course I’m guessing you wont watch this video.
          The question you could ask yourself though is,

          • mauī

            I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick… I love Waters! and am interested in what he has to say.

            I was referring to Andre’s obvious reverence for Slater.

        • greywarshark

          Yes he is. You aren’t.

          • mauī

            Completely unnecessary attack grey… To say I’m disappointed in your comment is an understatement.

            • greywarshark


              <i>Good to know he is one of your heros. 4.1.2</i> I suggest that your attacks against Assange are not reasonable. But that is not disappointing – it is your expected common theme. You often sharply defend your personal compatriots so you tcarry that through to refer to an 'unnecessary attack' from me to Andre. Andre is quite capable of answering for himself.

              It seems that you are trying to limit free speech except for your own. i think it is malicious of Andre to equate Assange with Slater. That is a reasonable view and you have no right to take me to task over it. Don't play the superior pedagogue with me.

  5. Gabby 5

    You know something about an impending arrest there dredre?

  6. Herodotus 6

    Re Global Warming and what has to be done
    Why are there very few asking about population, our pop of 7.7b – and what is the carrying capacity of the earth especially as we are to reduce our dependancy on oil

  7. adam 7

    Wage Slave
    Rent Slave

  8. swordfish 8

    Final Preferred PM Poll ratings for Leaders just before being Toppled / Replaced
    (Colmar Brunton since 1997)

    (Main Intra-Party Rival in parentheses)

    Bolger (Oct 1997) … 13%
    (Shipley … 10%)
    Shipley then replaces Bolger

    Shipley (Sep 2001) … 14%
    (English … 5%)
    English then replaces Shipley

    English (Oct 2003) … 7%
    (Brash … 3%)
    Brash then replaces English

    Brash (Oct 2006) … 17%
    (Key … 11%)
    Key then replaces Brash

    Shearer (July 2013) … 13%
    (Cunliffe … 2% / Clark … 2%)
    Cunliffe then replaces Shearer

    Little (July 2017) … 6%
    (Ardern … 6%)
    .Ardern then replaces Little

    Compare with

    Bridges (April 2019) … 5%
    (Collins … 5%)

  9. francesca 9

    How about this for misleading headlines?

    “Protesters target Jeremy Corbyn on day three of Extinction Rebellion”

    and then later on

    “A few hours later, four protesters glued their hands together and chained themselves to a fence outside Corbyn’s house, saying he was “the best hope this country has got” to meet the challenges of the climate crisis, adding that they were there to “support him” to go further.”


    • RedLogix 9.1

      It’s when you realise that the media do this ALL the damn time that you begin to understand the problem we have.

      The media have an important role in society; well above any commercial consideration. They are like the eyes and ears of our societies, and when they mislead us we are all in deep trouble.

      • adam 9.1.1

        OMG, RedLogix actually accepting reality for once…

        Well done for noticing, better late than never…

        • lprent

          OMG Adam noticed what someone else actually said rather than just making an interpretation up..

          RL started saying that on this site about 9-10 years ago. I remember that was the topic of one of the first comments of his that I noticed.

          Could it be that you don’t notice what people say unless they agree with you?

          • adam

            OMG lprent, I have not read all his posts – I have a life.

            All I have is the ones I have seen of late, which come across as a smug know it all. 🙂

    • greywarshark 9.2

      Thanks for that fransesca. People here who read the Guardian have been very critical of it. I looked at it and kept finding good stuff. Then someone noted their peculiar biases here and there and I think one was Jeremy Corbyn. That heading you quote is a blatant, naked example. Headline porn.

    • marty mars 9.3

      Yes it is misleading but why do it?
      Maybe they hate corbyn or they follow the agenda given to them

      A big part I think is that imo they are money hungry capitalists that want to sell something to make more money and misleading headlines, which drag people into see wtf, are just a crude technique among many that they use. This example you put up shows how they can twist the whole thing around to mean the opposite whilst technically also being correct. Clever little shits alright.

      Good we keep track of these – thanks.

    • gsays 9.4

      Back in the ’90s I had a pub in a small town.
      One Saturday evening 3 brothers came in, 2 were under age. They were asked to leave.
      On their way out, 2 of them assaulted a young kitchen hand, a boy who didn’t get a chance to fight back. He was highly disinclined to raise his voice or his fists.
      Front page news on Monday: ‘Teens fighting in local bar’, article went on to name pub and make a few assertions. We didn’t get contacted or questioned.
      Contacted editor and three days later on page 5 a wee correction.

      Jolly media!

      • McFlock 9.4.1

        It can work the other way, though – years ago I ended up fronting to the local journo for a project I was running (just a wee thing, nothing earth shattering). I was a young chap and had no fucking idea about the usual patter one says in such articles.

        The journo needed some copy anyway, so asked questions like “would you say that it’s been well received by people in a variety of circumstances?” and “what about it’s contribution to [issue], would you regard it as being a convenient anchor point for [group]?”.

        Reading the published article, the others involved thought I’d done really well in the interview – I had so many eloquent quotes lol 🙂

  10. greywarshark 10

    Concerning in Peru, a measure of how all countries leaders are stressed? And another nail in democracies coffin-shaped podium.


  11. greywarshark 11

    NZ – another boring report about the poor state of NZ waterways. Ho hum. /sarc!


  12. mosa 12

    Sanders on FOX

  13. Morrissey 13

    I’ve been labeled a “sub-optimal person” by a Kiwiblogger.

    Yesterday I returned to Kiwiblog after a six week absence. My first comment was a brief driveby shot at the infamous Double Dipper from Dipton. It didn’t go down well….


    The comment deemed “grossly inappropriate” by the “moderator” [sic] at Kiwiblog can be accessed here….


    • Rosemary McDonald 13.1

      Morrissey….harden up. You know very well that Farrar’s Ferals don’t play nice, yet off you go….

      The whole moderation thing is very, very new over there, give them time. They have had carte blanche since, well, forever. They are still straining against the ropes.

    • higherstandard 13.2

      “I’ve been labeled a “sub-optimal person” by a Kiwiblogger.”

      Not just Kiwiblog to be fair Moz.

  14. Mjolnir 14

    So much for the free speech fetishists on The Daily Blog. If your criticism against Trotter or Bradbury is too trenchant it will never never seethe light of day

    I posted a critical rebuttal to one of Trotter’s blogpost and it vanished

    Free speech?

    I call tui

    • Rosemary McDonald 14.1

      I wouldn’t panic too much Mjolnir. There has been lots of traffic over at TDB and all comments go into moderation, so there could very well be a delay.

      Trotter, Bradbury, Macskasy ….they all wear big boy pants now and can cope with strong criticism.

      • Mjolnir 14.1.1

        From 2 days ago?.

        Yeah I get that everything is placed moderation, but that one was submitted on Tuesday evening. Since then other comments have been published

        So free speech is fine but not the thingI said (and I am minding my language, Scarlet Mod made a fair call on me on that one)

        • Psycho Milt

          I’ve had a few go down the memory hole, which is one reason I hardly ever comment there now. If your comment is one that would be difficult for Bradbury to rebut, it just never appears.

    • Incognito 14.2

      It wasn’t a comment on Trotter’s post entitled “Recognising Hate Speech When You See It”, was it?

  15. greywarshark 15

    Some thoughtful comment on Wellington buses/public transport from someone with depth of background experience. With thoughtful comments below.

    Waiting at the bus stop?

    • OnceWasTim 15.1

      No doubt there’ll be many learnings going forwid from the Wellington bus fiasco @ grey, the proposed solutions which will probably do SFA to solve anything.

      They’re thinking of sacking the Waikato DHB board.
      The GRWCouncillors ? yea nah 18 monthgs onward – letalone the ‘officials’ that came up with this bugger’s muddle in the first place.
      And then there’s WCC’s involvement which I pick they’ll get away with by shifting blame.

      And even if and when they do manage to get things back to some semblance of order, they’ve fucked things up SO badly that it’s going to take some serious persuasion to get a certain demographic to go back to catching buses.
      ( If you’re one of two from a household, catching an Uber is now just as cheap or fuck-all more expensive for door to door service, and at a time of your choosing ).

      Accountability???? There’ll be none

      There’s actually a shitload of blame to go around, and it isn’t just Laidlaw and his cronies (elected and/or ensconced in GWRC), but it’s also WCC cronies (elected and ensconced) too.
      It’ll be interesting to see who ekshully has the cheek to stand come election time. I hope they put their hands up soon so they can be publicly challenged.

  16. mauī 16

    A punk legend in action for 50+ years! Oh bless. Only on RT of course – straight from the propaganda factory.
    “Westwood: I’ll get Assange out of the embassy”

  17. greywarshark 17

    What do other people do, how do they manage their part of the world? With a less complicated economy and one not dominated by the world system, can a workable system arise? On Yap they have operated their system using stones for currency.. Which reminds us that money is symbolic, and imbued with our ideas of agreed value.

    Looking at Yap a small island, now a group, in the North Pacific nearish to Guam a USA military base. Apparently the Chinese will change their tourism from about 4,000 over years by erecting a resort with 4,000 units on the island? End of
    culture and simple autonomy to complicated slavery I think with some modern
    gew-gaws that alienate the youngsters from the elders.

  18. greywarshark 18

    I think more cults will spring up as more people kept pushed to the fringes and to constantly have to search for stability and a settled life that enables a decent standard of living.

    I don’t like the sound of this one.

  19. David Mac 19

    “A Hastings principal has slammed an increasing number of parents taking kids on holiday during term time, arguing it could ruin their kids’ and the school’s future results.

    St John’s College principal Paul Melloy, who is currently in Chile on a tour with the school’s first XV rugby team…”


    Goodness me.

  20. greywarshark 20

    The housing market is overpriced, and I am hearing that leases for small businesses are over-valued. The country is riding for a fall, and the rock star will smash his guitar on stage before long. High rents, the people in the rentier game are squeezing the people actually doing the yakka that earns our country’s living. What are we going to do about being hollowed out by these modern aristocrats? A Revolution? Can we think of something clever without blood? We need businesses to keep going, we need employment, the ability to buy things or enjoyment. We may need to live more simply but can we have a decent standard of living.

    But small businesses are having trouble keeping going, big overseas names are flooding in to soak up any money we have spare. The rents are getting too high everywhere. The greed of people with a lot of money is growing. The present economic system is unsustainable madness. What a contrast between the ultra-high income and the ordinary business owner earning what an ordinary person needs.




    Capital Cuisine: What’s killing Wellington’s restaurants?
    There are nearly 900 places to grab food and drink in Wellington City.

    One of the country’s top chefs, Bosley retired from restaurants after his Wellington eatery Martin Bosley’s Yacht Club went into liquidation in 2014.
    “When I opened my restaurant my main courses were $35, I sat 60 people and my rent was just over $40,000.
    “When I closed it 13 years later, I still sat 60 people, my main courses were now $45 but my rent was now over $100,000 a year.”
    With rents so high, Bosley said meals were essentially being “subsidised” by restaurant owners.
    “If you’re a diner right now, this is the best time to be dining.”..

    Restaurant Association president Mike Egan estimated the average margin was between three and five per cent for most restaurants. ,,,
    Egan said the recent minimum wage rise had left businesses scrambling to cut costs before it hit their bottom line.
    As of April 1, the minimum wage was $17.70 an hour.

    • Stuart Munro. 20.1

      “A Revolution? Can we think of something clever without blood?”

      There’s no need to reinvent the wheel here – the Mongols were not at all keen on bloodshed either, and Genghis was a master of a kind of democratic decision making.


      I understand the process commences with a request for earth and grass.

    • Blazer 20.2

      dead right.The OPEX of doing business in NZ is way out of kilter.
      Supposedly the free market will correct that.
      .A small domestic market with increased competition should be good for the consumer but the reality is the BIG guy with BIG capital can access offshore product and undercut the local and just like the demise of the Made in NZ auto market ,all other high involvement retail will be taken over by the cheapest alternative…eventually.

  21. Morrissey 21

    What’s behind Ecuador’s betrayal of Julian Assange?

  22. Eco Maori 22

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.

  23. eco maori 23

    Whanau Eco Maori has been on the Gisborne man sandflys radar for a few years now they thought my great grandfather was Eco Maori he died in a work accident ???????? ,
    My uncle he was a church going man to the state got a hold of him he died they target 2 other males who lived in my great grandmothers house thinking they were Eco Maori .The sandflys now know the target they have been looking for in the last 50 years is ME Eco Maori they are scared of Eco Maori

    P.S Ma te wa

  24. Eco Maori 24

    Our enviroment is what keeps US alive and we are poisioning it fast.
    I have said these words before what would happen if you let a child eat what it wants say chocolate well that child would soon become obeast become sick with deibetes many bad thinks would happen to the child and if not corrected the child would die.
    Papatuanuku is the same if we keep pumping chemicals into OUR enviroment we are causing our world to become sick if we don’t stop it we will be in the SHIT.
    Another story the 00.1 % ARE like a BABY with chocolate with there money the keep wanting more and won’t share fairly they are getting sick on there overindalgence in MONEY they want more and more even if there actions are killing mother earth and our grandchildrens future we the 99.9 have to become the rulers of the world and teach the ruleing class the correct way to behave love thy neighbour respect thy neighbour forgive thy neighbour share with thy neigbour respect for our past our tipuna respect for OUR FUTURE
    The report presents a sobering summary of a country starkly different from the ‘Pure New Zealand’ marketing campaign. Photograph: Murdo MacLeod/The Guardian
    A report on the state of New Zealand’s environment has painted a bleak picture of catastrophic biodiversity loss, polluted waterways and the destructive rise of the dairy industry and urban sprawl.
    Environment Aotearoa is the first major environmental report in four years, and was compiled using data from Statistics New Zealand and the environment ministry.
    It presents a sobering summary of a country that is starkly different from the pristine landscape promoted in the “Pure New Zealand” marketing campaign that lures millions of tourists every year.
    It found New Zealand is now considered one of the most invaded countries in the world, with 75 animal and plant species having gone extinct since human settlement. The once-vibrant bird life has fared particularly badly, with 90% of seabirds and 80% of shorebirds threatened with or at risk of extinction.

    ‘Their birthright is being lost’: New Zealanders fret over polluted rivers

    Almost two-thirds of New Zealand’s rare ecosystems are under threat of collapse, and over the last 15 years the extinction risk worsened for 86 species, compared with the conservation status of just 26 species improving in the past 10 years.

    Ka kite ano links below


  25. Eco Maori 25

    It amazes me why they would not let Maori build on Marae land why would our culture get to strong.
    The government has announced it will build six homes at Tuahiwi marae near Kaiapoi, and will repair sixty houses in the region.
    It’s a welcome move for Te Ngāi Tūāhuriri Rūnanga chair Arapata Reuben, who has lived in the small pā at Tuahiwi for 25 years. He spent his childhood there and said the new papakāinga development is major.
    “For me, it means that all of my children can live next to me,” he said.
    “I have already passed over my lands to them already which means they can now build on their whenua next to their mum and dad, they can grow up and raise their children.
    “They all want to live at the pā. They know what it is like to be [raised] at the pā. They see their life being the pā.”
    Mr Reuben said local government had restricted the building of houses on the pā for decades. Local Māori fought for more than 10 years to lift the restrictions, which eventually happened in 2015 through the post earthquake Canterbury Emergency Act. Ka kite ano links below P.S I loaded that post above 3 hours ago it just loaded ten mins ago and I had to rewrite this post the sandflys are shitting them selves they cannot put Eco Maori back.


  26. Eco Maori 26

    Kia ora Newshub.
    If you go into a animal whare house you have to show respect for the animals and keep the tamariki safe.
    The trump investergating was a sham I have heaps of facts to link to that statement.
    Eco Maori says Rotorua is a great destination to have a holiday the place is booked out enjoying a booming tourist season.?
    I say that exercise any time is good the producers boggle me mind YEA IGHT
    GUIDE horse in Britain that’s a novelty lol.
    Kia kaha Ka extinction Protesters I have said the leftys need to harden up.
    I don’t use Facebook had a look.
    Fejoe problems with a moth larvae there was a problem with them last year to.
    Don’t like having a beard just have time to keep the hair tidy let alone cleaning and brushing a beard each to their own my son has a good beard.
    Hydrogen cars will be a rich person toy the common people will drive battery elictric car’s. Ka kite ano P.S my Mokopuna take up my time

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