Open mike 18/10/2013

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189 comments on “Open mike 18/10/2013”

  1. mickysavage 1

    So Bevan Chuang appears to have wisely backed away from Slater. The money trail would be interesting to see because Slater said he was paying Chuang’s accommodation expenses and I do not believe that Stephen Cook would be doing this out of his perception of what is in the public good.

    Is there a frustrated Woman’s day deal in the pipeline? Is Slater’s frustration because the pay day will not now happen?

    • andy (the other one) 1.1

      Mr Wewege had also been involved in the campaign for Simon O’Connor, the National MP for Tamaki.

      Others described him as an acolyte of Simon Lusk, a campaign strategist for right-wing political candidates, saying he had attended several of Mr Lusk’s summer camp training sessions.

      All roads lead to Lusk/Slater

      • Paul 1.1.1

        Summer camps? Youth movements?
        Next we’ll be hearing albout the colour of shirts Lusk gets them to wear.
        Our New Democratic right wing – New Zealand’s tea party

        • phillip ure

          instead of ‘tea-party’..

          ..should we call then nzs’ ‘coffee-clutch’..?

          phillip ure..

          • phillip ure

            a len brown question..

            ..if as city was providing on-call/free bonking-rooms to len brown..

            ..does this..and their obvious knowledge of his extra-marital bonking..

   both/either of these facts..provide some explanation for why brown supported that pokie-deal..?

            ..did they already ‘own’ brown..?

            ..surely not..!


            phillip ure..

            • red rattler

              phillip, just heard on RNZ news that Brown and Key met today at the Skycity Hotel and scoped out the political bonking schedule for the next month.

  2. miravox 2

    “exhausted, unwell, disillusioned, depressed and haunted”.

    Son, husband, father and by all accounts one of the good guys.

    Greg King. A man with all that intellect couldn’t see a way to work through his crisis of values, physical ill-health and depression.

    So very, very sad.

    • Chooky 2.1

      +1…Greek tragedy….if he hadn’t been so good….. ( at his job defending the ……) ….it wouldnt have been so bad

      ….many things can be solved with a holiday away from everything to get some perspective and get some insight as to what needs changing, where to go next, how to get balance etc

      • Ennui 2.1.1

        Agree with both Chooky and Miravox. With a society so focused on the individual and upon performance / success / other pressures, what chance do we have?

        As a society / community we are so self obsessed that we don’t look around and take the strain from those who need it. And those in pressure positions guard the gates to their life’s / professions to stay where they are against competitive elements….

        And then we all go through the dark moments of the soul, on our own. We don’t need to.

    • Tracey 2.2

      VERY. We actually need more criminal lawyers like him… not ones who feel nothing about what they do.

      • McFlock 2.2.1


        the trouble is that it’s a fine line between being deeply scarred by becoming acquainted with some of the stuff that people do to each other, and becoming defensively calloused.

    • Rogue Trooper 2.3

      I was moved, and a little surprised, when I read about these findings the other day. Still, depression (and ill-health, a million ‘obese’ New Zealanders now) are epidemic.

  3. Paul 3

    Planet Key

    $500 rounds of golf
    Helicopter rides
    5 start luxury resorts

    Yup, just your ordinary kind of guy, John.

  4. North 4

    Thanks Andrea Vance for the pap piece on Super Botox Man. Thought by now you’d be chary about piffling on for seedy old hypocrites.

    • Paul 4.1

      Corporate puppet.

    • miravox 4.2

      As for Jane Clifton…

      What’s going on there?

      …Three of the MPs walked out in protest yesterday after Speaker David Carter first put co-leader Metiria Turei on the naughty step and then turfed her out – without explaining why.

      All she had done was to ask a question in which she described the Government’s SkyCity casino deal as “sleazy”. Carter disallowed the question, so Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia asked whether the word – a great favourite on all sides of the House – was now unparliamentary.

      Carter said it wasn’t. But when she asked what had been wrong with her question, Carter tersely told her not to challenge his ruling…

      …After a series of tetchy exchanges, Carter’s seeming inability to specify the nature of the sin was getting embarrassing. Acting Leader of the House Anne Tolley obliquely tossed him a lifeline, saying she believed Turia’s phrasing of the question had fallen foul of Section 377 (1)(b) of Standing Orders, which forbade using imprecations, invective, sarcasm and the like in parliamentary questions.

      But Carter didn’t grab the rope, and after a further polite but unwelcome inquiry from Turia, he threw her out

      • karol 4.2.1

        Broken link. It’s here.

        • miravox

          Hmm – not a broken link – they’ve edited it. Glad I copied it instead of just linking.

          Btw, isn’t it meant to be good form to list edits to a published article rather than deleting it and putting up a corrected copy?

          • karol

            The url changed. It’s now under dominion-post/news instead of national.

            • miravox

              Yeah, that’s the new version. The old one is deleted. Take a look at the text I copied and the equivalent sentences at the new url.

              Clifton’s original piece confused Turei with Turia e.g.

              article 1:
              “Carter disallowed the question, so Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia asked whether the word – a great favourite on all sides of the House – was now unparliamentary.”

              article 2:
              “Carter disallowed the question, so Turei asked whether the word – a great favourite on all sides of the House – was now unparliamentary.”

              Bit of a big deal for a seasoned political journalist. Does she get someone else to take notes or write her stuff? And why did Stuff just change it without mentioning the edits?

              • karol

                Yes I noticed the appalling errors in the bits you quoted.

              • karol

                Hmmm…. just looked at the scan of today’s Dom Post on Press Display – the glaring Tariana Turia errors are there in print. Jane Clifton

                • Tigger

                  It’s all edited offshore now, yes? Do we suspect a simple spelling error caused the subeditor to add the explanation of who Turia is? That is, Clifton has mistyped ‘so Turia asked…’ instead of ‘so Turei asked…’ and the editor has added the rest thinking they are being helpful…

                  • miravox

                    Maybe. I’d like to blame it on off-shoring the subs.

                    They should have issued a correction, not deleted and relocated the corrected article without explanation. Bad manners that, and a bad look for Jane Clifton.

  5. so..we have one million people people who are obese.. landmark 1.5 mill..?

    ..and still no reason to reconsider the nz-‘diet’/’food’-marketing practices…?

    ..and..bacon and saussies for breakfast..?

    ..a big mac/fries for lunch..?

    ..a pizza/ice-cream dinner..?


    ..big/blubby fat..!

    ..and lots of it.. do know it’s driving you to an early grave..

    ..we do all know that that much is not in any doubt.. to do..?

    ..over to you..!

    ..phillip ure..

  6. karol 6

    Congratulations Ross Clow, councilor for Whau – lead has held by 51 votes. Bye bye Raffills.

    Final Auckland Council results.

    • muzza 6.1

      I know little about Clow, but alot about the politics of Raffills, who will not be missed by anyone paying attention, and who cares for men and women.


    • Not a PS Staffer 6.2

      Ross’s five fellow Labour candidate for the Whau Local Board also got in.
      That gives Labour five of the seven seats on that board.
      This is the first time a Labour slate was run there.
      For those ouside of West Auckland the Whau rhymes with Clow.

      “The Whau Local Board comprises the suburbs of New Lynn, Green Bay and Kelston, Rosebank, Waterview, Avondale, New Windsor and Blockhouse Bay. The name Whau is from the estuarine arm of the Waitemata Harbour, which extends into the area.”

      It is predominantly in David Cunliffe’s New Lynn electorate with parts in David Shearer’s Mt Albert and Phil Goff’s Mt Roskill.

      • karol 6.2.1

        “For those ouside of West Auckland the Whau rhymes with Clow.”

        Actually these days it’s usually officially pronounced “foe”. Said to be the pronunciation of local iwi. Though not all people accept that.

        • bad12

          i would pronounce Whau as Faa-u, the u pronounced as you without the Y,of course my bones are from Whanga-nui-a-tara where different emphasis might be placed on different letters…

          • karol

            Yes. I think it’s hard to recreate the exact pre-European pronunciation of the Whau area, as the river was largely a transit route and location of seasonal camps used by several iwi.

            Older New Lynn residents do pronounce it “Wow”, and it’s possible that for some iwi it did/does rhyme with Clow.

            • felix

              My family always pronounced it “Wow”.

              But then they also said “Wockatarny” and “Wongaray” so I wouldn’t put much stock in that.

              • North

                I recall as a 50s kid my mother at the end of her tether loudly exclaiming at the naughty antics of me and my brother – “You’ll have me in the bloody Wow !”

                I later understood this to be a reference to a psychiatric hospital in “Avondale” (1950s – whisper whisper – “Oh, so and so’s in Avondale”). Near enough to the Whau. Might in fact have been the later Carrington, part of it now the Mason Clinic.

                While we’re on this can just tolerate “Wongaray” used by many of the successive generations of Northland Pakeha – habit etc.

                What really gets me as a well intentioned but poor effort is the one used by a member of the Northland Judiciary – “Fongaray”. “Faaarng-are-rare-e”, please !

        • Not a PS Staffer

          And Clow rhymes with Foe!

          • karol

            Oh. I always read Clow as rhyming with Wow. Thanks, Not a PS. Now I will not embarrass myself by mis-pronouncing Clow.

    • karol 6.3

      Maybe it’s also a good thing that most of the old Whau Board are gone. I see Bevan Chuang coordinated/s the New Lynn Night Markets in conjunction with the Whau Board – I think as contract work for her company. The Herald is raising questions about that.

      Mr Brown and Mr McKay also refused to say if Ms Chuang had a council contract at the New Lynn market. She claimed to be paid $500 a week by the council as a co-ordinator at the market.

      Would Len Brown have anything to do with such local initiatives? Derek Battersby -still on the Whau Board – seems to have had a lot to do with it.

      Western Leader:

      Mr Battersby has met the mayor’s 32-year-old former mistress. Miss Chuang has been the co-ordinator of the New Lynn Night Markets since they first opened in June this year.

      Auckland Council spokesman Glyn Walters says Miss Chuang was employed through the Community Development Project and the Whau Local Board was keen to support the markets.

      “She would have been appointed a few months ago when the project started,” he says. “It was a normal procurement process for a contractor and there is no evidence to suggest mayoral involvement.”

      However Mr Battersby says the initial idea of the ethnic night markets had little support from the board as it had plans for its own Saturday market.

      Mr Battersby says they had no choice in the matter. “We accepted it and got on with it. It was a bit tongue in cheek and we weren’t particularly chuffed.”

      Mr Battersby says now that Miss Chuang has become a public person she might need review her position.

    • Tracey 6.4

      never upset to see a raffills out of politics

    • Rogue Trooper 6.5

      and to Tom Belford, elected to the HBRC following counting of the ‘specials’ (in by 61 😉 from memory) ; now Four of the Nine councillors a re opposed to the RWSS, :-D. Now, that’s democracy, of sorts.

  7. Red Horse 7

    At least Mr Brown seems to have paid for the rooms where he was having sex with Bevan.

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      NZ’s proudest daily paper of journalism.

      • Te Reo Putake 7.1.1

        NZ’s Journal of Record (toryness).

      • tinfoilhat 7.1.2

        Salacious sex sells.

        One of my grandchildren is covering Brave New World and 1984 at school at the moment… both still as relevant today as they ever were.

        • Colonial Viper

          Brave New World AND 1984 at the same time? OMG, what are they trying to do to these poor kids? 🙂

          • miravox

            A whole lot better than Atlas shrugged, which is apparently on the way in Idaho.

            • greywarbler

              Look what happens when the whacko pollies powered by that fabulous fuel mix booster Money and Religion get into power. The guy introduced the bill, but wasn’t really serious about it.

              A Republican state senator in Idaho has introduced legislation that would require all high school students in the state to read an Ayn Rand novel that has become popular with the Tea Party movement.

              State Senate Education Committee Chairman John Goedde (R-Coeur d’Alene) introduced legislation Tuesday that would require the reading of Rand’s 1957 novel Atlas Shrugged by every high school student in the state, and the passage of a test on the book, in order to graduate, The Spokesman-Review reported. Goedde said that he only introduced the bill as a way to send a message to the state over a series of recent decisions, and not to force the reading of Rand’s book

              And to show some of the other thinking and events in this country of large historic democracy and huge intellectual and philosophical capability –
              Huffington Post side headings –
              * 10 Things only women with big boobs can understand.
              * Men got us into the shutdown women got us out
              * Stenographer removed for shouting on House floor
              * Principal raped boy in office while parent was outside: Cops

            • Paul

              So neo-liberal Randism is a religion now.
              The gospel according to Ayn.

  8. Te Reo Putake 8

    Probably time to ban rugby. All those ACC claims are killing us taxpayers.

    • The Al1en 8.1

      If they won’t ban Richie Mccaw for persistent cheating at the breakdown, it’ll take a lot more than a few more brain damaged kiwis to halt the game.

      Though a precedent has been set with the motorbikers and acc levies, or did the government capitulate? I can’t recall, and it has nothing to do with heading a football.

      • Ennui 8.1.1

        I played for years, explains a lot…head knocks and all that. That was a lot more dangerous than riding a bicycle, which I am forced to wear a stupid bloody helmet on. Who will save me from meddling “safety” commissars from OSH and ACC?

        • Morrissey

          Ennui, you do know that wearing helmets in American football only makes that game MORE dangerous, indeed lethal? Certainly rugby is terribly dangerous, and there is no one thing in sport more dangerous than a rugby scrum, but wearing helmets is NOT the way to go…..

  9. karol 9

    Sleaze oil – making friends and influencing people wherever he goes. From the (now Slaterless Truth, yesterday:

    […] Fact: Slater’s father John was also on Palino’s campaign staff.

    Fact: Slater (junior) has a hard on of hate for Brown.

    Fact: Slater (junior) is calling on Brown to resign from the mayoralty.

    Fact: ACT Leader John Banks has been ordered to stand trial for electoral fraud.

    Fact: Instead of lambasting him, Slater (junior) has patted him on the back for resigning from his Ministerial Portfolios, saying Banks has “more integrity” than Brown.

    Question: If Brown is expected to resign from the mayoralty then, by the same standards set by Slater (junior), should Banks resign from Parliament?[…]

    And what is this incident that is referred to on the paepae blog yesterday?

    We know the true-blue Slaters, er … dislike lefty Len Brown* and are, as a family, great friends of John Banks, whom Mr Brown so robustly defeated for the first Auckland ‘super city’ mayoralty three years ago (and who, it was announced today, will stand trial on charges of [allegedly] filing a false electoral return. Tsk.)

    We shouldn’t, I guess, be surprised that the fetid swamp that is Slater junior’s hate blog will never, ever get around to ‘reporting’ (gag) — with or without affidavits — a pattern of night-time disturbance (‘No, this isn’t the right apartment’) which apparently so miffed Jenny Shipley back in the days her Wellington apartment was in proximity to that of one of her Parliamentary colleagues.

    No, of course not. There are lines that shouldn’t be crossed.

    Aren’t there, Cameron?

    • felix 9.1

      Well this just proves that Slater is the victim of an attack campaign. And it’s even worse that he first thought, with tentacles reaching far beyond the entire Herald staff.

      Either that or he’s just a gutless horrible worm and no-one has any time for him. Who knows?

  10. Outofbed 10

    That’s the trouble if the line gets crossed, politicians private lives are now fair game.
    We should try and not descend to that level.
    Except of course in the case of Nick Smith . He needs an extension to his wardrobe for all those skeletons 🙂

  11. northshoreguynz 11

    Brian Rudman in fine form. Maybe the rights grip on Auckland really is on the slippery slope.

    • ianmac 11.1

      OOps. Sorry Northshoreguynz. Posted below before reading your post. Saw the same thing. Very funny and shrewd is Mr Rudman.

      • North 11.1.1

        He’s actually having a serious go at Auckland’s Mad Right. Watch out Rudman ! The elephant without a trunk (well, some say not when he’s up to HIS “fun”), SlaterPorn that is, he and his ilk never forget a slight.

        • newsense

          Glad that Rudman is fronting up. There are precious few in the media have the opportunity, ability or will power…Note also according to todays business ‘news’ or that funky little bs gossip section that Bridges is a National hero for taking it to John Campbell.

          • North

            True. I saw/heard that somewhere too Newsense. About which I don’t give a shit because THEY would. They’d stoutly maintain all sorts of kaka to maintain the “born to rule” psychosis. That’s the way it is in these days of ShonKey Python’s “higher standards”.

            Cleverly, you just deny. If hard pressed you just forget. Never mind. Ugly I know but have pity. They’re just consoling themselves in the niggling knowledge that the Great Feet are now the Clay Feet. Truth is most of the canned laughetr behind him have never picked up such fat salaries. Greedy little wannabee Geckos are shitting. Seriously.

            Thing is Wee Simon didn’t look good in the eyes of those who’ve not sipped the KoolAid. Shouty little Mini-Matthew Hooton. A very shouty little boy minister.

            It’s ANOTHER intimation of how fucked and spiralling down is the ShonKey Python Flying Circus. Just like the early 60s bodgie the “Out Of His Depth Mr Speaker Carter”. He exemplifies it. ShonKeyness.

            This government is a bunch of tired, dying, malevolent, incompetent, fucks.

  12. risildowgtn 12

    I know this is a couple of days old but I aint sure if anyone has covered this:

    Rolinson is 1 class act . NOT

    Backed by 1 Jenny Bloxham ex MP ,ex CHCH Independant Councillor hopeful

    Both are vile and a friend of mine has some shit on these 2

  13. bad12 13

    Labour MP’s are now openly ‘toying’ with the House Speaker during the Parliament’s Question Time, the Speaker,(snigger, in my honest opinion), is having trouble differentiating His political leanings form His duty as Speaker to deliver impartial rulings from within the Parliaments Standing Orders,

    Metiria in the face of a Government who to all extents and purposes are all functional idiots either by design or birth, has taken to openly giggling at the stupidity contained in answers being given in the Chamber by Government Ministers,

    If there is one thing that the stuffed shirts of the right cannot abide by it’s having their own views of themselves as the ‘power’ in the land being openly laughed at…

    • bad12 13.1

      Ooops, how did this get here, was supposed to be in the ‘Point of order Mr Speaker’ Post…

  14. ianmac 14

    A very funny piece by Brian Rudman ties in with the Herald Cartoon.

    The cartoon from (Emmerson?) “I know Nothing.”

  15. bad12 15

    Winston Peters telling unintended funnies via RadioNZ National news this morning, it’s ‘Conference time’ for NZFirst this weekend and Winston appears to be G-ing up the troops with a rousing declaration that NZFirst will decide who the next Government will be, balance of power stuff and all that,

    On another planet He also goes on to declare NZFirst will double it’s numbers in the House after November 2014,

    The first of course would depend entirely on the second as far as coming to pass is concerned and as NZFirst has largely become an irrelevancy in the last few months as a resurgent Labour has hogged all the political airtime just getting across the 5% thresh-hold for NZFirst is likely to become to big an ask,

    Given the latest Roy Morgan, NZFirst’s very survival after 2014 may depend upon it being able to show in the Parliament that it can work in a Labour/Green coalition…

    • millsy 15.1

      I’m actually picking that next year will be the last election that WP will contest. If he doesnt get tipped out (this depends on the political climate this time next year), he will retire in 2017.

  16. FYI

    Latest developments with the private prosecution of ACT Leader, MP for Epsom, John Banks.

    (Please read carefully Cameron Slater?

    ‘vexatious’ litigation by Graham McCready?

    Can I respectfully suggest that you don’t use words you apparently don’t understand? )

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    • Tracey 16.1

      Can’t be vexacious if two different judges have seen cause to proceed AND the SG is looking at taking over.

      • marsman 16.1.1

        I wondered about the SG taking over, heard it on the news last night. Wonder what the reasoning for that is Tracey?

        • veutoviper

          marsman, i suggest you read the link in Penny Bright’s comment at 16 for background.

          The S-G was requested to take over the case by McCready and co in June; but deferred a decision on this until the case was committed for trial. Hence the S-G is now considering taking over.

          Back in june IIRC Penny provided a link to the formal request for the S-G to take over, but I don’t have time to find that link. It will no doubt be somewhere on the blog site of the link at 16, but the Archives list doesn’t seem to include June 2013.

          • karol

            I think NRT tweeted that he had some concerns about the SG taking over the prosecution – worried about some bias or cover up to protect Banks.

            Idiot/Savant ‏@norightturnnz

            Solicitor-General taking over the Banks case smells like a stitch-up.

            • veutoviper

              I also have concerns that if the S-G takes over the case that this could lead to bias or cover-up , Karol.

              However, it was McCready who formally requested that the S-G take over the case back in June in line with legal provisions for this to happen IIRC. (Haven’t had time today to track down McCready’s formal request to verify the reasons, legal provisions etc – but it will be there somewhere on the blogsite Penny linked to). Legal costs obviously would be a major reason as stated/implied in McCready’s latest release on Penny’s link.

            • RedBaronCV

              I don’t really understand the system but does the SG have any power to refer this back to the Police who then shove Banks onto diversion or something similar.

          • marsman

            Thanks veutoviper. I share your concern re political interference if the SC takes over.

    • Tracey 16.2


      When I clicked your link at that site to the decision a blank pdf loaded, no words. Would love to read it.

  17. MORE!!

    See today’s NZ Herald editorial?

    Good on you Graham McCready!


    Penny Bright

  18. captain hook 18

    something wrong with our parliament when the speaker cannot give the reasons for his rulings.
    The present speaker is probably representative of all the lightweights populating the national party caucus but the country expects more than petulant bullying from the supposedly objective officials.
    time for national to pick up its money pack up its tent and piss off.

  19. Great links Joe – the only ‘f’ word we should be concentrating on is fracking. I wonder how long before we see the same thing here – blockades, confrontation – so far most of it is below the radar but the time is drawing near where there will have to be more visible action to stop the exploiters. We have shown with the tour that people will stand up and fight when they want to and overseas many examples of brave people are there. We either stop them or we stop them – no other choice on this one. Kia kaha.

  20. karol 21

    The NZ Herald is trying to draw on the wisdom of the crowd to find out who sent the threatening text to Bevan Chuang.

    Two things puzzle me about the text

    1) It apparently came after a vague reference to Len Brown and “Asian beauties” in a WO post during the last week of the council elections.

    How would the text sender know that WO was referring to Chuang?

    2) The sender seems to be certain that Chuang has been talking “to the Slaters”.

    And yet, according to Chuang, it was Luigi that was pressuring her and he had said that he had people set up to go with the story. And Chuang says she only decided to agree to signing an affadavit after the election results came out on the Sunday.

    Why did the text sender seem certain that Chuang had been talking to the “Slaters” (plural) before voting ended for the elections?

    • veutoviper 21.1

      Those texts to Chuang and others did not ‘compute’ to me from my first hearing of them – and still don’t.

      IMO the sender is probably an ‘insider’ within the Slater/Luigi et al camp to put further pressure on Chuang in a perverse/reverse manner to reveal all – and at the same time setting up a red herring as to who else knew. The timing of the texts is too coincidental to WO’s post about Asian beauties. Probably a cheap prepay phone thrown away once the texts had been sent.

      But something else that does not now compute to me that popped into my head as I was writing the above:

      – Slater senior supposedly also received a text from the same number as Chuang last week;

      – but he has also claimed that he knew nothing about the affair until WO informed him an hour or two before WO released his substantive post with the full details this week.

      • karol 21.1.1

        On the last point. Brian Rudman today – heh.

        There was a time when nothing happened inside the National Party or its local body shadow, the Auckland Citizens and Ratepayers organisation, without Mr Slater’s knowledge. Not any more.

        This week, after the Len Brown scandal erupted forth from his son Cameron’s blog, Mr Slater confessed to the Herald that his very own, hand-made Frankenstein had not bothered to consult him beforehand about it, or the ongoing dirty tricks campaign to try to bring Mayor Len Brown to his knees.
        Which does beg the question, if Mr Palino can’t even keep track of what his tiny campaign team are up to, what does it say about his ability to keep on top of a business employing more than 8000 staff and an annual budget of $4.5 billion?

        I know nuzzink!

      • karol 21.1.2

        Slater Jnr says the txt to his father was too vague about who was involved for him to really be clued in to what was going on. OTOH, apparently Chuang’s father also got one of the threatening txts, which makes it seem like they came from someone closer to Chuang.

    • Dumrse 21.2

      Perhaps Len had advice of what was going to happen and sent his PR henchmen loose? Just a thought.

      • Pascal's bookie 21.2.1

        Unknowable. Burner phone so it all comes down to character of the various actors I guess, and people will make their own judgements about who was most likely.

        things aren’t looking good for team dirty tricks in that regard I suspect.

        • Rogue Trooper

          it is interesting that John (my hands are off this ) Key said (on 3News) “is not pushing for” Len’s resignation and “he’ll be back on the horse as soon as he possibly can”.

  21. aerobubble 22

    why are the anti-people party, the burn the barn to
    make a profit, eat several Earths party, one might
    say future murderers and pillage party, the most likely to
    fear the prison population will vote. Are they putting innocent
    people in prision, planning to? Well duh, I mean if you believe
    you’ve stolen wealth, then obviously you want to do everything
    to stop the opposition taking you to rights, so you create
    a cult and culture of removing and extinguishing those rights.

    Protest on the seas, be locked up, and denied the vote at the
    election. Its a pincher, increase crimes and decrease rights,
    has historically been motivated by illegitimate governments
    and power blocks.

  22. Tim 23

    …. just an observation:

    The so-called “ANZAC SPIRIT”.

    What has it come to mean now?

    It once signaled the close relationship/brother-sisterhood between Australians and New Zealanders – empathy, compassion, co-operation et al.

    The pollies love it. For me its becoming a label the politicians can use at will to piss on my ancestors’ graves.
    The Howard 2001 law changes that see contributing NZers living in Australia disadvantaged and ineligable for some pretty basic ‘services’ and benefits available to Australians living in NZ.
    – doesn’t seem very compassionate or cooperative to me.
    – the pathetic representations made by Shonkey on NZers behalf

    Those ANZAC symbols and totems erected on various bridges and elsewhere are fast becoming meaningless and merely reference points for pollies to draw on nationalism and supposedly feelings of patriotism in order to ease their consciences for doing SFA for veterans welfare, etc.

    I’ve just listened to some deekhead called Tarn Yabbit – who apparently has a Koiwoi woifey giving a speech at some Legacy Club in Brissie.

    NOT ONCE in all of that speech did the name NZ get mentioned. (Btw … Canada did).
    I guess “AAC” would be kid of hard to pronounce.

    I find myself having to laugh at times when I see the various trolls that visit here mock Russell Norman – using his birthplace as their justifcation.
    In my mind, Norman would have more of an understanding what that “Spirit” is than many.
    It seems the right probably just think of CER, Australian vestmint tunetees, flogging off as much turf and assets to transTas cuzzies as possible alongside a few sporting events and Crosby Textor type ‘mateship’.

    ANZAC “spirit” indeed! Crapola! The Okkers can’t even spell Labour correctly these days!

  23. North 24

    SlaterPorn’s brood. Not cute !

  24. Jilly Bee 25

    Hmmmmmm Commodore Kevin Kent has been found guilty on 5 of 8 charges brought against him, but no sign of anything in Granny Herald as yet, though it is on the Radio N Z and Stuff webpages. Thought the Herald is supposed to be up with keeping us informed, but they seem to be eternally stuck on the Slater, Chuang, Wewege, Brown saga and who sent that text message. I note it was sent in ‘complete’ text, not txt speak.

  25. Pascal's bookie 26

    If you haven’t seen this post from Peter Aranyi, you really owe it to yourself to take a look. The post itself has some good links and makes some good observations. The poster at the end though, is simply unmissable:

    You’re welcome.

  26. appleboy 27

    In the messages between Bevan and WEdgie, he asked her to tape record conversations. Surely there’s something illegal about that..trying to get someone to do something illegal? Also, surely that’s a story taht should be ripe for exploring – hunt down Wedgie and Palino who have been in hiding ever since the story backfired on them. The journos are hounding Len, so how about appplying their hounding equally

    • karol 27.1

      Jared Savage at the NZ Herald has also been looking at Wewege.

    • chris73 27.2

      Well what the journalists should really be asking is how “Spray and walk away” Len voted during the sky city deal and was it coincidental he had sexy, fun time at the hotel…

      But the journalists won’t of course, they’ll wait to see what Cameron Slater comes up with first and pretend its their work

      • Te Reo Putake 27.2.2

        Love the way this issue has allowed righties to think it’s now OK to take their inner racist out for walkies. Very revealing.

        • McFlock

          true enough

        • ghostrider888

          only Skin Deep

        • felix

          I like how they can’t think of nicknames so they use ones they’ve heard people call John Key.

        • chris73

          Let me explain why its not rascist…while the phrase was popularized by a stereotypical asian man that’s not how I’m using it (though I can see how you might jump to that conclusion)

          I’m using spray and walk away in reference to his habit of blowing a load on a woman and then leaving like shes some sort of prostitute ie spray (blow the load) and walk away (from the hooker)

          PS Dirty Len was the one calling a chinese woman “geisha girl” and “manchu girl” so you might like to consider the rascist or at the very least demeaning aspects of 4/10 Lens personality

          • Pascal's bookie

            Let’s face it Chris. You bloody dream of being a 4/10.

            • chris73

              Let me check:

              “Hey darling”
              “Yes dear”
              “What would you rate my love making abilities?”
              “You spend far too much time on blogging sites and what do you want for dinner?”
              “Yes darling and I feel like pasta tonight”

              Sorry its a bit inconclusive

          • Colonial Viper

            You wanting to apply broadcasting standards to sexual partner pillow talk now, c73? Talk about nanny state!!!

      • karol 27.2.3

        And, of course, WO’s right on to Banks’ corruption trial, and digging to find every bit of dirt on that. Not waiting for the journalists…. 🙄

    • Colonial Viper 27.3

      Recordings? Remember that through the US, our govt security services have access to all of the calls and txts between Brown and Chuang. This is what the system is there for.

  27. BLiP 28

    Had to have a chuckle today. The hard-copy New Zealand Fox News Herald “Business” section has the stock market listings on pages B7 – B9 and, without interruption, the next two pages show the the horse racing events, field and form. Seems apt.

  28. Pascal's bookie 29

    Seen a few tweets from Herald and tv3 journos hinting this is all going to blow up again soon.

    Questions they are saying they have an answer to is : ‘Was this all a right wing conspiracy, and how deep, who knew, who lied about knowing, and who’s keeping quiet even though they know quite a bit’


    • Pascal's bookie 29.1

      TV3 saying to watch The Nation 2moro. Clever move. Gives WO time to sweat and type and type and sweat.

      • NickS 29.1.1

        Sounds like TV3 are going whale hunting with whale-seeking harpoon missiles 😀

        • Rogue Trooper

          underground railguns

          • Colonial Viper

            Awesome…with neutronium projectiles…

            • Rogue Trooper

              ha ha! get you you card.

              On the subject of rails, saw a great ad on tv just now (do not miss ads though) for, passenger service.
              “Take A Train”.

              • Anne

                Yes RT saw it earlier. Backgrounded with an aria from Puccini’s Madam Butterfly? Someone will correct me if I have the wrong opera. 🙂

                • Not Another Sheep

                  ‘The Pearl Fishers Duet’ by Georges Bizet from the Opera “Les Pecheurs De Perles” -Yes it is she the most fascinating and beautiful goddess-who has brought us together….. our fates are linked ? Kiwirail?

                  • Anne

                    Goodness me. That was a wrong call. Must refresh my operatic knowledge. Whatever, it is a truly beautiful aria, and a perfect foil for the Ad.

                    • Jim Nald

                      Yup, that’s one of the most beautiful tenor-baritone duet and it is from Bizet’s Pearl Fishers (Act One, Scene IV).

                      Oui, c’est elle!
                      C’est la déesse qui descend parmi nous!
                      Son voile se soulève et la foule est à genoux!

                      (And correctly translated by ‘Not Another Sheep’.)

                      I don’t recognise the singers but a quick search reveals Youtube stating they are our local folks, Moses MacKay and Pene Pati.

                      And Moses and Pene are having fun here, with Pene’ brother, Amita:

                  • Rogue Trooper

                    You are certainly Not Another Sheep.

                    • Not Another Sheep

                      Could be a black sheep..hahaha….

                      Love the other link Jim Nald. Talented lads and a crack up trio here. I wasn’t sure who performed the backing music.

      • karol 29.1.2

        Bradbury reckons we “won’t see this twist coming”….. ?

    • felix 29.2

      What was it Tucker used to say? Never become the story?


    • Dumrse 29.3

      Some of those questions are somewhat irrelevant as we don’t give a shit about the how’s and why’s. What’s more important is who else did he tup and did he make any entries into the probity register or did he just cash them in.

  29. ghostrider888 30

    Bluee Mountain Charcoal

  30. karol 31

    Yes. Sorry to see that.

  31. felix 32

    Lol @ John Key’s freudian slip on checkpoint tonight.

    He’s got NZFirst on the brain.

  32. Not Another Sheep 34

    Dave, do you mean the “Aotearoa Youth Leadership Institute” and ” Doing Good Fellows” (True title) Wewege as the Founders of these organisations?

    Ironical that he took the second organisation’s title a little to the extreme.

    This is the same Wewege that is also on the International Youth Council.

    His profile -: ” How do you want to get involved ? Connect with other global-minded leaders, Contribute Knowledge and/or Resources. What issues are important to you? Education, Media, Sustainability, Leadership, Partnerships, Policy”

    A fine role model and representative of NZ youth to the world ?

    • dave 34.1

      I mean yesterday they removed Wewege from the top 99 under 33 list.

      • Not Another Sheep 34.1.1

        Yes and I was being cynical about Wewege and the organisations and businesses he drags down with him.

        The 99ers should have removed him too, rightly so!

        Wewege one of the elite chosen global top 99 for 2013 “…. a community of some of the brightest and most innovative minds of the time….our third class of 99ers continues to prove to the world the power of breaking traditional models and thinking outside the box for new solutions to old problems. Bring a group of 99ers together in a room, and feel the world shift….. each and every one a gleaming ray of hope … ”

        breaking traditional role models
        new solutions for an old problem

        He sure does that ! Wonder if the IYC know too?

    • Pascal's bookie 34.2

      do you mean the “Aotearoa Youth Leadership Institute” and ” Doing Good Fellows” (True title) Wewege as the Founders of these organisations?

      Read somewhere today that the AYLI have said he isn’t a member let alone a founder

      • Not Another Sheep 34.2.1

        His Bio on the Diplomatic Courier says he is. Long, impressive Bio. Shame.
        Check Daves ‘google’ cached address above. That page has now been removed from the “Diplomatic Courier” itself

  33. Morrissey 35

    Wimp: Jeremy Elwood. Walloper: Nevil Gibson

    The Panel, Radio New Zealand National, Friday 18 October 2013
    Jim Mora, Jeremy Elwood, Nevil Breivik Gibson

    JIM MORA: It’s Susan Baldacci, with what the WOOOOOOORLD’s talking about!
    SUSAN BALDACCI: Well the first story today is a rather sad one. It seems that slavery is still rife around the world.
    MORA: Slavery?
    SUSAN BALDACCI: Y-y-yes. And the country with the most slaves is India.
    MORA: Is it India that has the most slaves?
    SUSAN BALDACCI: [betraying slight irritation] Mmmmm. …. [Pause]….The country with the highest proportion of slaves is Mauritania. It has five to twenty per cent of the population as slaves.
    MORA: Five to twenty per cent of the population of Mauritania are slaves?



    …..Some minutes later….

    MORA: Mmmmmmm, mmmmmm!
    SUSAN BALDACCI: Mmmm, mmmm!
    MORA: Mmmmmmm! This is delicious cake! Who brought it in?
    MORA: What, is it your birthday?
    MORA: Happy fiftieth birthday! Ha ha ha ha ha!
    MORA: I mean, happy FORTIETH birthday! Ha ha ha ha!

    A couple of minutes later, as the music gradually rises to usher in the 4 o’clock news, the Panelists are discussing the stunning revelation that we’ve been lied to for the last hundred years about a crucial historical event….

    MORA: So if the band on the Titanic didn’t play “Nearer My God to Thee”, what DID they play?
    JEREMY ELWOOD: “Sailing”.
    NEVIL BREIVIK GIBSON: Heeeeeeeeeeeee!
    MORA: That was the resident comedian on the program, Jeremy Elwood. Back after the news!

    ……4 o’clock News…..

    After the four o’clock news, Mora always drags his hapless guests through a mandatory ritual of introductory or (more commonly) catch-up chit-chat. This would be pretty dull at the best of times, but seeing that he has a small roster of Panelists, this is also (almost always) a wasted seven or eight minutes.

    However, these informal chats occasionally reveal some highly interesting aspects of character, or lack of character. Yesterday (Thursday October 17th), for instance, right wing Stuff business editor Ellen Read and that grouchy old hippie-hater and scourge of progressive thinkers, Rosemary McLeod, took the opportunity to boast about all the books they had not read. First of all they dealt to The Bone People, defiantly announcing that they found it boring, over-rated and unreadable. If they had stopped there, their little excursion into book criticism would have been reasonable and unexceptionable. But this pair of Mother Grundys were incapable of stopping there; they couldn’t help themselves. Warming to the task, McLeod announced she would never ever look at anything by Pope or Dryden. Ellen Read warmly endorsed this strident declaration of philistinism.

    That, however, was as bad as it got yesterday. For the rest of the program, Read and McLeod were considered and reasonable in their comments. Long-time listeners would have been not only surprised at this, but also a trifle disappointed. Ellen Read has a particularly nasty, acerbic personality and has in the past unloaded both barrels on opponents, or amiable victims like Tim Watkin. So her failure to deliver on yesterday’s program left many listeners sans our fix of righteous right wing raving. Listening to a young lout playing nice and agreeing with everything an old lout says is nobody’s idea of entertainment, surely. If we wanted that, we’d just listen in on Cameron Brewer sucking up to Don Brash.

    Many of us sufferers were no doubt hoping that today’s extreme right wing guest would come through with the good stuff, i.e., the crazy stuff. After all, with Nevil Breivik Gibson on board, the probability of a demented comment is extremely high.

    Today’s post-four o’clock chat revealed (1) that Jeremy Elwood recently met Dan Marino and Dan Ackroyd, and, more interestingly, (2) that Nevil Gibson has visited Ireland recently. That trip provided the springboard for Gibson to make one of his trademark cock-eyed observations, a paean to the “excellence” of Ireland’s Sunday newspapers. That would have come as a surprise to anyone who has actually read an Irish Sunday newspaper, which to any literate Irish person is a synonym for “crap”.

    Still, as Breivik Gibson comments go, raving about the quality of crap Irish papers was pretty mild. More extreme stuff was to come just before the end of the show. Before that, though, there was a bit of excruciating banter with the host….

    JIM MORA: Nevil Gibson, happy birthday. That’s a nice cake you’ve brought in for us. Did you bake it yourself?
    NEVIL BREIVIK GIBSON: No, no, I got it from Hollywood.
    MORA: You got it imported?!?!???!?
    NEVIL BREIVIK GIBSON: Heeeeeeeeeeee! Actually it’s the bakery chain!
    MORA: Oh!

    The bulk of the program was pretty run of the mill. There was something about Len Brown, and both Gibson and Elwood made bland contributions for the “Soabbox” segment. It seemed that, apart from Gibson’s endorsement of substandard Irish rags, this was going to pass away into the space-time continuum without leaving a trace.

    But then THIS happened……

    In the last five minutes, Mora brings up the subject of the Republican extreme right and its determined assault on civic and public life in the United States, AKA “the government shutdown.” Just as I suspected he would, Nevil Gibson takes up the opportunity to deliver one of his crazed homilies—this time on behalf of the Tea Party loons. He embarks on an utterly untrue and fantastical speech, asserting that Ted Cruz and his cronies, far from being thugs and vandals, represent a significant section of the U.S. population. “Don’t they have a right to be heard?” he pleads, his voice croaking with emotion.

    Gibson would never have gotten away with such nonsense if the other Panelist were, say, Gordon McLauchlan or Gordon Campbell or Mai Chen. But his interlocutor today is that nice Jeremy Elwood, a man who goes out of his way during his comedy appearances to make it clear he is a concerned and thoughtful liberal thinker. Unfortunately, Elwood has a dismal track record of going out of his way to “find common ground” with people who are philosophically and morally opposite to him. A few years ago Elwood brought down ignominy and contempt on himself after he cravenly voiced agreement with every single thing uttered by the bullying ex-cop Graham Bell during one of Bell’s infamous swingeing rants against liberals, conservationists and young people.

    It was always a forlorn hope that Elwood would show a bit of courage and actually argue with Gibson. And so, just as we knew he would, he caved in. Instead of challenging him, Elwood joked lamely that there are huge numbers of Americans that take no notice of the government, and don’t need it in their lives. “They got on just fine during the shut-down,” he snickered. Nevil Breivik Gibson guffawed his approval.

    Mercifully, the insistent sound of Carmina Burana wells up. Time to sign off…

    JIM MORA: Nevil Gibson, happy birthday. Thank you for bringing in the cake!

  34. xtasy 37

    Hallo – again

    Yesterday, I took action, on my own. I went outside the Avondale WINZ office, to do a picket and protest. I held up a sign warning of “hatchet doctors”. There was nobody else, but I know a few others keep up the fight. I only wanted to raise awareness, and was there between 10,20 to 11.30 am on Friday.

    Only 10 or 15 minutes into the action I was approached by a security person, one of the WINZ ones, coming out of their office. I had a sign and already handed out a few flyers (all stating the truth). He asked me, after staring at me for a few minutes, whether he could have one of my flyers. I gave him one. Then he disappeared, and I am sure he reported to the manager.

    Soon after he came back, he tried to start a nonsensical chat, but held a pen and paper in his hands, and he took notes of the words on my sign. This all happened in a totally public place, on the footpath, which is a fair few steps away from the WINZ office. I had lots of people interested and handed out many flyers.

    But what really SCARED ME, was the fact this security guy took record of all, reported to his manager, while I was in a public place. I am disturbed, and also angry, as this country is supposed to be democratic and “free” country. I did nothing wrong, and I also heard of others in the same area, at various WINZ offices being harassed.

    Now, I ask you here, as NZers, is this what you condone? Is this what you want your country to be like? I have been out on the street in a few places recently, and while I got a lot of support, I also faced much hostility and frowning. I am afraid now to go out of my place, as my impression is, that this is no longer a free country. We are being persecuted and stigmatised, being beneficiaries, we are apparently hunted down.

    Now, dear Labour, where do you stand on this, same on the welfare reforms, I hear little or nothing, and I honestly feel I live in a bloody dictatorship. I come from Europe and wish I had never come back to this horrible place, as I experience it as a beneficiary “bludger”. Better kill me and other, and get rid of us, if you do not like us!

  35. xtasy 38

    My response is by these messages from a more cultured society and country:

    My impression is that NZers have sold their country, are not even caring to fight for it, and thus are a gutless people, not worth of the soil you live on.

    If you would all bloody care, you would fight and take a stand, I see NONE of it. David Cunliffe will not deliver what he talks about, I can tell you now, you are all falling for a big fat lie and another disappointment. There is no “true left” in this country, is is just fashionable wannabe stuff, as one real leftist told me long ago. Learn from Chile and other places, as you all need learning lessons, and who by the way, of all of you “bothers” to take to the street these days, I see NONE, cowards!

    • bad12 38.1

      Great way to make friends in low and high places, you should get more sleep…

    • AsleepWhileWalking 38.2

      It’s not that they sold out so much is that NZers are up against a carefully cultivated climate of suspicion regarding beneficiaries. To give an example at the place where I volunteer I quickly noticed that any new clients we get keep reassuring us that they ARE doing everything they can to get a job, and that they are not like those “other” beneficiaries.

      The problem is that the “other” beneficiaries (those that don’t want to work and are sponging ungratefully off the system) don’t appear to exsist outside of the media spin. Since I started a few months ago I haven’t met any of the “others”, just broken and stressed out people trying to get essential needs met.

      • bad12 38.2.1

        X doesn’t seem to realize that beneficiaries are the hardest group of people in our society to organize, most are seriously looking for work and the ‘churn’ in the demographic always means that today’s beneficiary is tomorrows worker,

        i don’t take kindly to the deliberate insults X has taken to tossing around and have deliberately, having ‘had words’ with that one previously where he/she has gone off the deep end, shrugged off the insults,

        If he/she is thrown into a paranoid fear fit over a simple conversation with a WINZ security guard then i would suggest he/she discontinues the activity…

  36. xtasy 39

    Fascismo Chileno:

  37. xtasy 40

    Una fuerca revolutionario:

    Not to be found in NZ, yet! Mucha forca, mucha forca, wake up, dear people and take action, if you can bother, beyond the “comfort zone”. Maybe life is “too easy” in NZ after all???

  38. AsleepWhileWalking 41

    Battery farmed cows could be coming to NZ soon. Just a short note to encourage anyone as horrified as I am about these magnificent and sacred beasts being treated this way to make a submission to the Ministry of Primary Industries (address on website below) before December 3rd.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    6 days ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    6 days ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    7 days ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    7 days ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
    Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
    The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
    The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
    1 week ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
    Today, October 10, is the world day against the death penalty. Out of 195 UN member states, 84 still permit capital punishment. Today is the day we work to change that. This year's theme is children. Having a parent sentenced to death or executed causes long-term trauma and stigmatization which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
    Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives.  So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
    by Don Franks  The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Forbidden Thoughts
    by The Council of Disobedient Women   Massey Wellington Student Association had a sit-in today. Imagine a sit-in. On a campus. Against a women’s rights meeting. Did the ’60s really happen or did we fucking dream it? They gathered in the student square, an echo chamber. Sitting on soft pillows ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Much love to my loyal Ukrainian readership
    For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention.  Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
    1 week ago
  • Another day of bonkers GNUmours (again, sorry)
    First, almost a score of Labour MPs seem to have sent a letter to the EU basically begging them to accept a deal - any deal - just so Britain can get the Heck on with Brexiting instead of being trapped in limbo:
    To avoid no deal, deliver on the ...
    1 week ago
  • Labour vs working class immigrants – again!
    by Phil Duncan In 2016 the National-led government suspended the Parent Visa Category, through which migrants were able to bring their parents into New Zealand.  Since then over 5,700 people have been in immigration limbo, stuck on the visa wait list. Labour is now bringing back the scheme.  Well, sort ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women press statement: on Massey University and Feminism 2020
    The following was released yesterday (Tues, October 8) by the women’s liberation organisation Speak Up for Women. On 23 September Speak Up For Women announced that we would be holding an event at the Massey University Theaterette in Wellington. The event is called Feminism 2020. The intention of the event ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Farmers support dirty rivers
    The government is currently consulting on plans to improve freshwater quality. So naturally, farmers oppose it:South Taranaki farmers are preparing to fight proposed national freshwater changes that some fear will bankrupt them. The Government's proposed National Environment Standard on Freshwater Management, released in September, rated the Waingongoro River as one ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No-one cares about local government
    Yesterday was the last day for (reliably) posting your vote away in local body elections. Turnouts are mostly much lower than the equivalent time last year (Palmerston North is down 2.3%), and so naturally people are pushing their online-voting snake oil again. Because the online census worked so well, lets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The political ghosts of eugenics may matter more than the genetic
    This essay, on the political legacy of the eugenics movement, by Kenan Malik was originally published in the Observer on 6 October 2019, under the headline ‘The spirit of eugenics is still with us, as immigrants know to their cost’. Birth control. Intelligence tests. Town planning. Immigration controls. It’s striking how ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • “Surplus” again
    Another year, and the government has announced another enormous government "surplus". And just like last year, its nothing of the sort. When we have people homeless and sick and hungry, when we have schools and hospitals still falling down, when we have underpaid public servants and infrastucture unmaintained or unbuilt, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Inside the Downing Street bunker
    James Forsyth at The Spectator (I know, I know) has tapped one of his contacts inside Number Ten for an insight into the Johnson administration's thinking and strategy.It is fascinating, unsettling and quite, quite mad.  Some key points:Negotiations have stalled and the Johnson administration are keen to blame the EU: ...
    1 week ago
  • Taking Control Of The Nation’s Story.
    Fatal Contact: With the arrival of captain James Cook in October 1769, the islands of what would become New Zealand ceased to be the preserve of Polynesian navigators and settlers and became a part of both the world’s map and the world’s history.THE MAORI NATIONALIST assault upon the historical meaning ...
    1 week ago
  • Are GNUs extinct?
    Another round of tactical talks about forming a Government of National Unity have come to nothing with the Liberal Democrats still refusing countenance putting Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street:Opposition talks on Monday made little headway over when to try and vote down Boris Johnson's government and who might succeed him as ...
    1 week ago
  • Labour chickens out again
    When the government was elected, it promised to lead the way on electric vehicles, and specifically to make the government vehicle fleet emissions-free where-practicable by 2025.They lied:There are 15,473 vehicles in the government fleet and only 78 are electric. When the coalition Government came into power in late 2017, the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Transgender extremism, violence at work against feminist meeting at British Labour Party conference
    by Nick Rogers The debate around the meaning of sex and gender made an appearance at this year’s British Labour Party conference in Brighton. Women’s Place UK – an organisation that questions the demand that biological males who self-identify as woman should have access to women’s spaces, to all-women shortlists, ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Rebelling in Wellington
    Yesterday I went down to Wellington to participate in the Extinction Rebellion protest. Its part of the latest global wave of XR actions, with actions happening all over the world. Some of those protests are massively disruptive: in Canada, XR is blocking major bridges, stopping people from getting to work. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • ‘The Workshop’ – Report: Talking about Poverty and Welfare Reform: A Guide to Strategies that ...
    The Workshop is a charitable trust for public good. The Workshop undertake research to find ways of communicating that will build support for the solutions that work to solve complex social and environmental problems. See their Report on Talking about Poverty and Welfare Reform below. ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • Exclusive language
    What is language? We generally assume that it a facility unique to humans, allowing us to share what’s in and on our minds. We can tell of our plans, our past exploits, our knowledge. It also allows us to lie. And yet there are vast numbers of people we can’t ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Corballis
    1 week ago
  • April 2018 – Submission to the NZ Govt Tax Working Group
    You can read our submission HERE ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • 2018 – Submission to the NZ Government Tax Working Group
    Read our submission here ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • Guardian: Poll shows DISASTER for Corbyn and the End of Times
    The Guardian - ever eager to forewarn of doom and disaster on the left - are leading with a new poll from Opinium, which puts the Conservatives 15% clear of Labour.Con 38% +2Lab 23% -1Lib Dem 15% -5Brexit 12% +1Green 4% +2This isn't good news, and it would be very ...
    2 weeks ago
  • How prostitution became the world’s most modern profession
    Being and Being Bought (Spinifex Press, 2013) by Kajsa Ekis Ekman  A synopsis and commentary of Chapters 1-2 by Daphna Whitmore Ekman, a Swedish journalist and critic, brings together a Marxist and feminist analysis of prostitution and surrogacy in this groundbreaking book She opens the discussion with a definition of ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Clever legal fellow on Scottish challenge to Brexit
    I make no claims to having much legal knowledge,  so I defer to those trained in this area.I am very much enjoying this twitter stream from m'learned friend in Edinburgh, deciphering the legal arguments around the Scottish court challenge to Boris Johnson, based on the charmingly obscure principle of Nobile ...
    2 weeks ago
  • An Open Letter From Closed Minds.
    Ivory Folly? The University of Auckland’s Vice-Chancellor, Professor Stuart McCutcheon, upheld the right of the radical nationalist group, Action Zealandia to exercise their freedom of speech – not matter how distasteful that speech might be. A wiser community of students and scholars would have nodded their agreement and moved on. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Extinction Rebellion members want to “eat babies”
    If you are not convinced terrorist Organisation ‘Extinction Rebellion’ is very, very dangerous – watch this video at one of their recent meetings. Not only is this obviously mentally ill Woman begging the other terrorists to promote killing and “eating” babies and children, if you watch carefully other members nod ...
    An average kiwiBy
    2 weeks ago

  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
    9 hours ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    14 hours ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
    15 hours ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
    16 hours ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
    16 hours ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
    16 hours ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
    17 hours ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
    1 day ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
    1 day ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
    Kiwis are benefiting from higher wage growth and low inflation under the Coalition Government. Stats NZ data out today shows the rise in the cost of living remains low, as annual Consumers Price Index (CPI) inflation fell to 1.5% in September from 1.7% in June. “The low inflation comes as ...
    2 days ago
  • NZ economy strong amid global headwinds
    New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
    2 days ago
  • Keeping New Zealanders safer with better counter-terrorism laws
    Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
    2 days ago
  • Improved succession and dispute resolution core of Ture Whenua changes
    A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
    2 days ago
  • Speech to CTU Biennial Conference
    Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
    2 days ago
  • Minister ensures continued Whenuapai flight operations
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark has signed a certificate exempting the activity of engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase from the Resource Management Act 1991. The Act gives the Minister of Defence the power to exempt activities for the purposes of national security.  The certificate will mean the recent Environment Court ...
    2 days ago
  • NZ joins Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced New Zealand will join the Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action while attending APEC meetings in Chile. The objective of the 39 member Coalition is to share information and promote action to tackle climate change. It was formed in April this year, in ...
    2 days ago
  • CTU speech – DPM
    Ladies and gentlemen, NZCTU President Richard Wagstaff, members of respective unions – thank you for the invitation to speak to you today. This might be preaching to the choir, but the importance of trade unions in New Zealand’s historical arch is difficult to understate. And it is my belief that ...
    3 days ago
  • Police Association Annual Conference
    "Let’s start by acknowledging that it has been a huge year. " Police Association Annual Conference James Cook Grand Chancellor Hotel Wellington Nau mai, haere mai. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, ka nui te mihi, ki a koutou katoa. President of the Police Association, Chris Cahill; Members of the Association and ...
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand announces a further P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark have announced the New Zealand Government’s decision to again deploy a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea. New ...
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand deeply concerned at developments in north-east Syria
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand continues to have serious concerns for peace and stability in north-east Syria. “Recent reports that hundreds of ISIS-affiliated families have fled from a camp are deeply concerning from a humanitarian and security perspective”, Mr Peters says. “While we acknowledge Turkey’s domestic security ...
    3 days ago
  • Government on high alert for stink bugs
    Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor is warning travelling Kiwis to be vigilant as the high-season for the crop-eating brown marmorated stink bug (BMSB) is under way. “We’re on high alert to stop BMSB arriving in NZ. The high season runs until April 30 and we’ve strengthened our measures to stop stink ...
    3 days ago
  • Better protections for students in halls of residence
    The Government is moving swiftly to change the law to improve the welfare and pastoral care of students living in university halls of residence and other tertiary hostels. Cabinet has agreed to several changes, including creating a new mandatory Code of Practice that sets out the duty of pastoral care ...
    3 days ago
  • New trapping guide for community and expert trappers alike
    The Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage has launched a new comprehensive trapping guide for community trappers to help them protect our native birds, plants and other wildlife, at Zealandia in Wellington today. ‘A practical guide to trapping’, has been developed by the Department of Conservation (DOC), and was launched during ...
    4 days ago
  • Widening Access to Contraceptives Welcomed
    Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter welcomes PHARMAC’s move to improve access to long-acting reversible contraception (LARCs). PHARMAC has today announced it will fund the full cost of Mirena and Jaydess for anyone seeking long term contraception, lifting previous restrictions on access to Mirena. “I welcome women having greater choices ...
    4 days ago
  • Major upgrade for Taranaki Base Hospital
    The Government has approved the next stage of a major redevelopment of Taranaki Base Hospital, which will deliver new and improved facilities for patients. Health Minister Dr David Clark has announced details of a $300 million dollar project to build a new East Wing at the New Plymouth hospital. It ...
    5 days ago
  • Extra support for rural families
    Extra funding will allow Rural Support Trusts to help farming families, says Minister for Rural Communities and Agriculture Damien O’Connor. “I know that rural families are worried about some of the challenges facing them, including the ongoing uncertainty created by the Mycoplasma bovis outbreak. “Those concerns sit alongside ongoing worries ...
    6 days ago
  • Howard Leaque Beekeeper programme graduation
    Thank you for the opportunity to be here to present certificates to the 16 graduates who have completed a beekeeping course delivered by the Howard League.  Let us start by acknowledging Auckland Prison’s Deputy Prison Director Tom Sherlock, and Acting Assistant Regional Commissioner of Corrections Northern Region Scott Walker - ...
    6 days ago
  • Finance Minister to attend APEC meetings
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson leaves this weekend to attend the APEC Finance Ministers meeting in Santiago, Chile. Discussions between APEC Finance Ministers at the meeting will include the effects of the current global economic uncertainty, risks for APEC economies and sustainable development of the region. While at APEC Grant Robertson ...
    6 days ago
  • Pacific languages are a source of strength, they ground us and build confidence
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio says for Pacific people, language can be a source of strength. It can help ground us and give us confidence. When we speak them, our languages provide us with an immediate and intimate access to our identity and our story - and ...
    6 days ago
  • Major boost to support disabled people in sport and recreation
    The Coalition Government has announced an action plan to improve the wellbeing of disabled New Zealanders by addressing inequalities in play, active recreation and sport. The initiative includes training to develop a workforce that understands the needs of children and young people with a range of impairments, advocacy for fit ...
    7 days ago
  • More prefab homes to be built as red tape cut
    The construction sector is being freed up to allow more homes to be built more quickly as the Government cuts through some of the red tape of the Building Act.  “Every New Zealander deserves a warm, dry, safe home and old inefficiencies in the Building Act make building slow and ...
    7 days ago
  • Further details of Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall visit to New Zealand
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has welcomed further details on the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall’s visit to New Zealand next month. Their Royal Highnesses will visit New Zealand from 17-23 November – their third joint visit to New Zealand and first in four years. They arrive in Auckland ...
    7 days ago
  • O’Connor in Thailand to push for RCEP deal
    Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth and Minister of Agriculture, Damien O’Connor, heads to Thailand today to attend the final Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) Ministerial meeting, as negotiations enter their final stages. “The RCEP Agreement would anchor New Zealand in a regional agreement that covers 16 countries, ...
    7 days ago
  • Young Pacific people can access earning and learning opportunities in Hawke’s Bay, Otago and South...
    Pacific young people living in the Hawke’s Bay, Southland and Otago regions will have access to support services that have proved successful in helping young people find new earning and learning opportunities. “Tupu Aotearoa is about changing Pacific young peoples’ lives. Our young people are talented, they are smart, they ...
    1 week ago
  • Protecting wellbeing – ACC HQSC Trauma Forum
    Introduction As the Minister for ACC I thank you all for the work that you do supporting New Zealanders in their literally most vulnerable moments. From those who hold people’s lives in their hands, to the people who research technique, technology and trends, your work is highly valued. A special ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ economy in good shape – notes prepared for speeches in Christchurch
    Notes prepared for speeches in Christchurch – Wednesday 9 October 2019 Today’s topic, “trends and opportunities for the New Zealand economy,” is certainly one getting a great deal of commentary at the moment. Looking across the media landscape lately you’ll notice we aren’t the only ones having this discussion. There ...
    1 week ago
  • World Mental Health Day a reminder of the importance of mental health work
    Minister of Health Dr David Clark and Associate Minister of Health Peeni Henare say this year’s World Mental Health Day theme is a reminder of why the Government’s work on mental health is so important. “This year the World Federation for Mental Health has made suicide prevention the main theme ...
    1 week ago
  • Cultural Ministers Meeting
    Associate Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Carmel Sepuloni will represent the government at Australia’s Meeting of Cultural Ministers in Adelaide this week. “This year’s meeting is special because New Zealand is expected to become an International Member of the Meeting of Cultural Ministers at this Australian forum,” Carmel Sepuloni said. “The meeting is an opportunity to ...
    1 week ago
  • 608 claims resolved by GCCRS in first year
    The Greater Christchurch Claims Resolution Service has resolved 608 insurance and EQC claims in its first year in operation, Minister Megan Woods has announced. The government service, which celebrates its first birthday today, provides a one stop shop to help Cantabrians still battling to get their homes repaired or rebuilt ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ economy in good shape
    Today’s topic, “trends and opportunities for the New Zealand economy,” is certainly one getting a great deal of commentary at the moment. Looking across the media landscape lately you’ll notice we aren’t the only ones having this discussion. There has been an increasing amount of attention paid to the outlook ...
    1 week ago