In terms of ‘who’ the Slippery National Government are Governing on behalf of the Slippery little Shyster could well be patting Himself on the back for a job well done,
As one of the ‘share-holding’ elite Slippery has managed in 3 short years to short circuit the New Zealand economy removing most of the disposable income from the bottom 40% of income and redistribute this directly into the pockets of the top 60% of income thus insuring that production for the local economy drops as demand is stifled all the while maintaining the income streams of the top 60% of incomes via tax cuts and the virtual gifting of the top earning State Owned Assets to those within that income group,
His smugness must become ever more entrenched as He realizes that there is little chance of a Shearer lead government having the ‘metal’ needed to convince the electorate that both economically and socially the short circuiting of the New Zealand economy must be reversed…
What on earth is going on ? You used to be able to send your kids off to school, on their own, off to the local shop, wherever – without even thinking they might be abducted. Now – there seems to be an abduction or attempt at one on young children every second day, Why is this happening so often ? Why is it happening at all ?
This is in today’s Herald : (sorry, don’t know how to get italics, etc on this post)
“Police have issued a description of a man they say followed an 8-year-old girl and tried to drag her into his car – the latest in a series of abduction attempts in Auckland.
“The incident happened in Mt Roskill on Sunday, December 9, but was made public yesterday. In another sinister case in Ellerslie, a 9-year-old girl was led for 50m by an abductor before she managed to break free.
………..
“A police spokeswoman said the man – described as Indian, about 30 years old, of average height and medium build – first demanded they get into his car and then got out of his vehicle and grabbed the young girl. “Her sister intervened …….
“Police are still looking for information about the attempt last week outside Ellerslie School.
“The 9-year-old girl, who was forcefully led 50m away from the school, was unharmed”.
Welcome to Nationals Brighter Future.
Where the back office staff have been cut so much, the Police have to their work as well. Where CYFS are more interested in talking, than in action, to save the children. Where The minister for the Vulnerable (Unemployed) thinks nothing of using private information to shut you up. Where ACC instead of helping, uses tame doctors to send people on their way unwell and injured. Where the Minister for the Taxation system says there’s nothing wrong, yet getting anything done seems beyond them. And lets not forget the Minister for Education, 1 word. Incompetent.
Yes lets just bask in the glow of Nationals Brighter Future
“Yes, attempted child abductions are totally the fault of the National Government.”
No, not totally. But certainly the ongoing program of policies which make our society less equal and put those at the bottom of the heap under more and more pressure plays a substantial part.
It means that less equal societies foster more pressure, more stress, more fear, more violence, more crime, and more hatred than more equal ones.
That’s what you’re arguing for every time your knee jerks out to kick at at the least fortunate in support of some punitive, oppressive attack on the poor. A worse society in every way.
I would understand that comment if this was about stealing or something, but how does inequality make child abduction more prevalent.
My instinct tells me (i.e. I have no source to back this up) that child abductions will come from right across the wealth spectrum rather than stealing which will be weighted more to the poor.
I see you’re still tr0lling The Standard pretending to be retarded TC. Or maybe you really are dumb enough to think that the only crimes related to poverty and social inequality are those related to theft. I’m going with the former.
Hey try Googling ‘poverty child abuse’. It turns out there’s a whole bunch of stuff there that says you’re a complete dick.
My first paragraph was a response to TC’s preceding comment. My second paragraph was about my personal opinion of TC which people can agree with or not as they like.
However – you are talking semantics. ‘Child abuse’ is not that simple to define, I for one consider child abduction to be child abuse. No one has a monopoly on a definition. Feel free to offer yours, but note that the majority of abductions are commited by family members or acquaintances. http://suite101.com/article/statistics-on-child-abduction-a147599
“The California Child Abduction Task Force views family and non–family abductions as forms of child abuse. While the psychological trauma inflicted upon a child abducted by a non–family member is commonly acknowledged, abduction by a parent or other family member has long been minimized as having few serious consequences since the child knows the abductor. However, children who are abducted, whether by a person unknown to the child or by a family member, suffer serious psychological and emotional trauma.”
Of course abduction is abuse. That’s a given. But it’s useful to understand the differences between relatively rare stranger abductions that get a lot of MSM attention, and the everyday abuse of children done by people they know, without abduction.
The connections between poverty/stress and everyday abuse of children is self-evident. The connections between poverty/stress and abductions is less clear, although I personally think it’s still a factor.
Tc seems to be questioning the idea that poverty/stress is a significant factor in stranger abductions. I think that’s a valid question, even though I disagree with his stance.
“The correlation with child abuse is obvious. We’re talking about abduction, which is quite a different crime.”
“Of course abduction is abuse. That’s a given”
K…
TC didn’t say he didn’t think the connection between poverty and abductions was significant, he said he couldn’t see a logical connection at all. What I thought he seemed to be saying was that the only crimes related to poverty were those related to theft I pointed to the wealth of evidence that child abuse is indeed connected to poverty, and obviously, as you say, abduction (by a stranger or not) is a form of child abuse. So govt policy is connected to poverty which is connected to abductions.
How significant that connection is is next to impossible to quantify or measure, so it’s probably a pointless discussion. But you’ve said you think it’s a factor – that’s all I was saying.
How then, TC, can the huge increases in murders in New Zealand since, say, the mid 1980s, be explained? I’m talking about how the murders of Jennifer Beard and Mona Blades, for example, in the early and mid-1970s, were front page news for weeks and weeks because murders back then were so thin and far between. Now murders are generally mentioned once on page five because they’re so commonplace. How can this be explained? How does a right-winger describe the reasons for this phenomenon?
Yes 1Prent, its hot down here in Purgatory today. KK stands no chance of cooling down round here so dont send him, suggest you slap him round the ears with a banana instead.
While it’s a big call, it is reasonably consistent with the concept that government policies actually affect people and their behaviours rather than just being a balance sheet without chaotically-propagating repercussions.
ISTR reading somewhere that folks crossing the threshold from fantasizing to acting on the motives tends to coincide with life stresses such as relationship breakdowns, financial difficulty or deaths of loved ones.
Personally, I think that the frequency is thankfully too small to draw any correlation with national’s policies (although one might be able to do something with police response times and deployed resources).
Socio-economic mortality due to non-vaccine diseases, on the other hand, seems to have a much more clear correlation with tory governments.
Yeah but I can’t actually see what government policies would lead a 30 year old man to try and abduct a young girl. That sort of thing is kinda dependent on the person, no? Particualry when this sort of thing happens will a similar frequency under both Labour and National.
(not to mention the fact it is fairly repugnant to politicise something like this)
As I said, IMO I reckon the “stranger danger” rates are too small to draw any political conclusion.
But like most other antisocial acts, if social stressors are triggers for a significant percentage of the potential offender population, then times of stress could plausibly cause an increase in offences. For a less politicly abusable example, ChCh domestic violence rose significantly after the earthquakes.
Individual perspectives are valuable, but we also need to look at the wider social perspective to possibly identify causal factors that aren’t necessarily visible when we look at one case at a time.
“Yeah but I can’t actually see what government policies would lead a 30 year old man to try and abduct a young girl.”
Me neither. But I didn’t say there was any particular policy that caused any particular act.
What I said was (paraphrasing) people with fucked-up lives are more likely to do fucked-up things, and the right-wing policies that governmens like this one follow fuck up a lot of people’s lives.
And those with the most f-ed up lives are those who make the rules we have to live by, those who enforce the rules and those who are protected by the rule makers and enforcers.
“Socio-economic mortality due to non-vaccine diseases, on the other hand, seems to have a much more clear correlation with tory governments.”
Got a link for that for any country ? It’d be an interesting read.
Here’s an interesting one. Although by no means definitive (yadda yadda GFC yadda yadda), it’s slightly stronger than I suspect a time-series graph of stranger-danger abduction attempts might be. And probably a more robust reporting set, too.
I was thinking of a dataset looking at specific diseases (cancer, cardiovascular diseases etc) over time in relation to governments in power. i’d be surprised if there was any significant effect of government flavour in comparison to the general trend of incidence of the specific disease in question.
Mental health and non immunisable infectious diseases and respiratory illnesses would be interesting to look at but again it would likely be confounded by the diagnostic and treatment advances over time.
I’d be looking at RFD/RHD, pneumonia for older patients, and complications of ambulatory-sensitive conditions like skin infections and so on. Something with a plausible relationship to primary healthcare access and access to proper food hygiene and warmth. Maybe serious admissions for mental conditions that are reasonably treatable at the early stages, too, but I don’t know much about how applicable that would be.
The way I see it, cancer and a big chunk of cardiovascular conditions would have a socioeconomic relationship because of smoking, and it would get skewed because it’s narrowly targeted as a health condition. The non-smoking cancers would be largely geographic, or congenital like a large bit of the remainder of the heart disease if we’re looking across age groups, too.
It would be an interesting study to be part of, but to be really effective it would have to use the admissions and mortality datasets linked together over say 20 years, and even then you can’t properly get super-reliable deprivation data at the individual level, without maybe inspections and interviews and income records.
The paperwork hurts my brain at the very thought, which is probably why I’m not paid the big bucks :). But I’d be as happy as a pig in shit with the dataload. And a study that size with that level of confidential data might even be enough reason to get a dedicated high-performance computing centre 🙂
Jenny, was that the online or print version of the Herald?
I doubt that the rate of abductions has gone up hugely. More likely is that we notice more because of the increase in population, and because of increased media reporting.
I suspect that the Herald is being sensationalist. Since when is two attempted abductions a ‘series’? The use of the word ‘sinister’ is emotionally manipulative and completely unnecessary for reporting the story. Hard to know if those things are intentional or just stupid. Not to undermine the seriousness of abduction, but this is still a relatively rare crime compared to child abuse by people who know the child.
Not in a lawyerly way, no, it’s not inconsistent, you left yourself a big ambiguous loophole to paddle in, but you did still try to link child abduction/paedophilia/whatever with societal inequality as if it was just an ordinary crime motivated by stress or poverty. It’s not. Shades of Lysenkoism methinks, letting ideology trump science is bad form.
Hyping up issues around stranger rape of children hides the fact that most sexual abuse of children is done by people that know them and are in a position of care-giving or authority. The hiding of this makes it much harder for society to do anything useful or meaningful about child abuse.
Hyping up stranger rape also makes society paranoid about the wrong things.
And actually that is a very valid point. Such things are a lot more widely reported than they used to be because of the shame and embarrassment involved – not that anyone wanted to acknowledge such things happened in this country either. Compare that to the general media policy of not reporting on suicides on the silly grounds it might encourage copycats, or the tragic under-reporting of male rape victims to the police.
Another factor worth considering is the ease of transport and mobility available to people these days.
Zoned community facility, sold to an unknown developer,with tender bids decided by an unknown rugby trust commitee for $2m+ conditional on the city council rezoning to residential in the new district plan. The council, led by a mayor you may/or not recall seeing on Campbell live extolling her support for rubgy in the city, intend to rubber stamp after submission end in march.
I have a lovely little plan. I’m going to stop the rezoning from happening and ensure Stan Heather Park remain a community facility in the truest sense of the word, and never again be at the mercy of secret board trustees, greedy developers and an incompetent council. I just need some help to get set up to make it work.
Firstly, I need to set up a charitable trust. Any takers?
Second, get Owen Glenn to give me call.
Real change always comes from the bottom up, always. Get me set up and I’ll show you how in Hamilton West.
Remember kim.com’s cabbage boat song?
I wrote one about Key/Banks/child poverty and sent it to Campbell live at least two weeks before his debuted. Nothing against the guy, but to say I was pissed was an understatement. Not just because my song was better 😉 but where his, in the politest way possible, was self serving, I wanted to release mine anonymously, all proceeds to feed hungry kids in Deanwell, Melville and Glenview in Hamilton. Still do, so I’m asking for help.
I watched Campbell live’s pieces on child poverty and feeding kids in schools, knowing there have been several of my emails sitting in their inbox, asking for a bit of help to pull of a genuine attempt at doing, rather than talking. Never even had a reply of them. Not even a get fuc*ed. Must be a mediaworks thing.
I posted a link and the lyrics on the PM’s Facebook site a while back, but I guess he didn’t want to help, either.
Worst record ever made? Who cares? Who really cares?
al1en.org
The faeces of the species
One more day, one more lie, one more smile, one more wave.
Some old joke wants my vote = Aspirational fail.
Did you see on TV? The third world disease on her face.
Unlike me, all you see, are scabs not your first world disgrace.
You’re the faecese of the species, you’re the disease, you’re the plague on the face of that girl.
You’re the hunger, you’re the plunder, all assunder, heaven wonder if there’s oil on the moon (in our bones).
You’re the statistic, optimistic, pessimist e-con-o-mystic, you’re the waste in the space.
Merchant banker, supertanker, deep drill wanker, pull your anchor, just get out of the way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorius.
One more try, one more bribe, one more tea for your friend.
Some old bloke on a rope while they bury his dead.
Did you see on tv? The mould on kids in their bed.
Unlike me, all you see, is dirt and the profits from rent.
You’re the faecese of the species, you’re a disease, you’re a plague on the backs of us all.
You’re the sadistic, little twisted, first world gifted, Mi-pad whizz kid, the foul wind in the sales.
You’re the hunter, you’re the blunder, toxic numbers, six foot under, and you’re a slag to good grace.
Mother cluster, bunker buster, colonel mustard, general custurd, just get out of our way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorius.
Given that Killeen’s probably got a cabal of mates; including her very well connected hubby who is as we’ve already mentioned a senior partner at the law firm Simpson Grierson, as well as contacts in both the media, law society, judiciary her future in the legal profession will be assured.
She will also obviously pick up a few more directorships on boards as well for obvious reasons (her propensity for fibbing and getting away with it is a good starter)
This makes a mockery of the judicial system. I guess there are going to be a lot of very upset New Zealander’s out there…… criminal justice Ministers, perjurerous coppers, District Court Judges (convicted of fiddling their travel expenses) porn addicted High court judges…. Prosecutors convicted of crimes Act offences let off….It seems that Kiwi’s are really really getting the piss taken.
It’s a crazy comedy in the New Zealand we all love to hate….”God defend New Zealand” because no one in the real world really gives a shit.
Kiwis love it this way though, its built in that ignorance must be defended at all costs!
One of the most consistent aspects of the BBC’s reporting of Gaza and Israel is the insistence of its journalists that any “outbreak of violence” is the fault of the Palestinians.
When Israel bombs or shells Gaza, this is unfailingly reported by the BBC as being in “response” or “retaliation” to rockets being fired from the blockaded territory. The unflinching regularity of this one-sided reporting by the UK’s state broadcaster is meticulously recorded in More Bad News from Israel, the book by Greg Philo and Mike Berry which contains research by the Glasgow Media Unit into the BBC’s reporting of the occupation.
The BBC’s coverage of Israel’s most recent assault on Gaza in November was no exception. An article published on the BBC’s website the day Hamas commander Ahmed al-Jabari was assassinated in an Israeli airstrike in Gaza City stated that the killing “follows a wave of rocket attacks against Israel from the territory” (“Israeli air strike kills Hamas military chief Jabari,” 14 November 2012).
The article went on to feature an Israeli army spokesperson’s claim that al-Jabari had “a lot of blood on his hands” and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s assertion that a “clear message” had been sent to “Hamas and other terrorist organizations.” Netanyahu’s comments ended with the words: “We will continue to do everything to protect our citizens.”
All of Israel’s key propaganda messages were conveyed, while the reality was carefully hidden. There is, of course, the ongoing reality that Israel is an occupier and a serial violator of international law — facts which are buried under the credibility and authority the BBC accords to its politicians and spokespeople and what they say.
Ignoring reality
On an immediate level, another crucial reality was ignored. By assassinating al-Jabari — itself an illegal act of extrajudicial murder which the BBC failed to examine, even as it printed Netanyahu’s triumphal “clear message” — Israel had violated a ceasefire brokered three days earlier.
This information, so casually ditched by the BBC’s journalists — online, on television and on radio news — was absolutely crucial. It emboldened the lie, disseminated across the BBC’s media outlets, that al-Jabari’s killing and the eight-day onslaught that came next followed “a wave of rocket attacks” from Gaza.
It didn’t. Al-Jabari’s assassination and the ensuing attack on Gaza which killed more than 160 Palestinians, including more than 30 children, followed a ceasefire, which the Palestinian groups in Gaza had been observing and may well have carried on observing if …..
Not sure there is any requirement to be able to read tea leaves, in order to spot the imbalance in the MSM around the world, including NZ. We can thank the AP/reuters network for ensuring this imbalance continues, on the same rabid path!
Our friend “Populuxe1” has again tried, unwisely, to be clever…
1.) “Again with the rabid Antisemitism?”
Criticism of an outlaw regime, a regime that is condemned by nearly every nation in the world, is “Antisemitism”?
2.) “Reading motivations in the BBC like tea leaves”
That article was a carefully and thoroughly researched piece of scholarly analysis. You can call it tealeaf reading if you like, but you’ve been discredited long ago on this forum, and nobody with any sense takes you seriously. (Anyone who thinks I am being uncharitable towards this dolt should check out his lunatic raving just the other day—Saturday—where he earnestly tries to make a case in support of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)
Having falsely identified anti-semitism Pop, you come over all anti-anti-semitism. So rational, like a cat chasing its tail, not. Your entire premise is flawed but round and round you go. And you fancy that’s a response ???
Thank you anyway for popping up as a perfect example of the lazy and the ignorant who are dispositionally vulnerable to the bias and falsehoods Morrissey is talking about.
For Palestine – Justice The Seed Peace The Flower !
The Dim Posts latest poll charts make for interesting viewing.
“One of the end-of year refrains in political summaries is that National ‘held steady in the polls’ despite a terrible year. Well, they did hold pretty steady compared to the election result. But the polls all massively over-estimated National’s election result – if you compare current poll estimates with pre-election poll estimates then National is way down. (It looks like Roy Morgan may have corrected their methodology post-election, the other firms not so much.)”
The smart money has Slippery’s National Government at 39% and tracking downward, given that the Maori Party seats currently held by both Flavell and Sharples are far from ‘safe’ with 1500 and 1000 vote majority’s respectively it is far from a sure thing that National could form a Government even with the (unlikely???), help of NZ First who (laughably), the main stream polling organizations still consign to less than 5% of the vote,
Labour of course are far from a shoe-in to form the next Government with a % of the vote at 34% a majority Labour Government would require a Green/NZFirst buy-in, it’s a long haul till November 2014 tho and if the trends continue i would expect that by election time Labour and National are going to be level pegging in terms of Party %’s…
If labour is regularly tracking at 34% in mid 2014 (unless the greens are regularly at 20%) I’d be a bit concerned. If they manage to build another regular 5% in 2013, like they did in 2012, a leftish government would be on track. But we need Mana and the Greens to provide some real flavour to the Labour sponge cake.
Following on from Karol’s series of critiques of how the MSM portrays and promotes Russell Norman as the leader of the GP, can the Standard authors please find an alternate picture to use for posts here that show both Meteria and Norman?
The one in vogue at the moment is a very nice picture of Russell Norman, but alongside a post headline about a Green Party policy it’s just wrong. Yes, Norman made the particular announcement, but he is not the GP.
With all their favourable press, their polling seems pretty static, and not trending up. If they were the default opposition as some would have us believe, surely they should be rating above 11%.
Is being the “default opposition” like an honourary title that some political party can take for granted? And expect to retain without continuous hard work? Which by the way the Greens and their members are doing in spades.
All through the 2010 and 2011 Roy Morgans the Green Party was typically sitting between 7% and 8%. Now that figure is bouncing around 12% and 13%. Will they cross 15% on a regular basis by 2014? Yes that’s very likely.
Unfortunately high intelligence is not a noted feature among New Zealanders. Average intelligence anywhere is about 100 (far from high), and this being the average necessitates many being below or well below even the average. The Greens appeal to intelligence, but it takes something else to make them popular.
So? What does that have to do with poltitcal performance?
BTW, according to his doctor, John Key is now a couple of kilos over weight. Anything to say on that, or Gerry Brownlee, or is it just women MPs that get your kind of comment?
Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control. Not good traits for our Nations leaders. And you are right, Brownlee definately falls into this category however Turei coming from a party who is all about every one having their proper share and not taking more than you need to makes the irony greater.
You are pretty much a sick little puppy and i wonder why your contribution is allowed at all except for the fact that it shows you up for being a sick little puppy…
[lprent: Because he usually tends to be careful about violating the policy.
That means he doesn’t get too many of these wee notes (any more) and therefore doesn’t waste moderators time without reason. We tend to cut him some slack (as we do for all regular commentators) for the odd times that they go too far over the edge.
BTW: saying something that is an explicit or implicit question about the site policies does tend to attract moderators, so reading the policy appears to be a good idea… ]
This includes making assertions that you are unable to substantiate with some proof (and that doesn’t mean endless links to unsubstantial authorities) or even argue when requested to do so.
I look forward to reading KK’s back up for the assertion that “Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.” I also look forward to his evidence that Turei is clinically obese. Clinically obese is a medical term, so we’re going to see some substantial medical proof.
Otherwise his post looks like flaming to me. It’s the equivalent of him saying “Being Maori means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.” Or “being a fat woman means you are useless”.
While I think there might be some use to exposing his misogyny (along the lines of bad’s point), it’s also tiring and often boring having to do so. I guess we might get some interesting debate from it, we’ll see.
Pah! Sexuality is for pussies! I mean dicks! I mean, uh, whatever. I’ve transcended that biological nonsense. I don’t even use meiosis, let alone mitosis! Yes, I use mimesis! No, better than that: memesis! Hah! I see your enormous imaginary penis and raise you my insidious propagandising of innocent youth in university tutorials!
I am infinitely, intellectually, transcendently fertile!
Turei is clinically obese. Now only her doctor will be able to confirm this to the level of proof you will require but any normal person who has seen her in the flesh recently will tell you that she is the size of Jabba the Hutt so it is a pretty fair assumption that the she is clinically obese.
“Show evidence that Turei’s weight has an impact on her job performance.”
When she was smaller she managed to work her way up through the party and made enough of an impression to be made co leader. Since she has started piling it on her ability has been questioned a bit more and Russell Norman has been doing all the heavy lifting. Not incredibly scientific I know.
“Show evidence that “Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control”.”
Of course this is the case. Being massively fat means you eat way too much (greedy) don’t exercise enough (lazy) and even though you look like a disgrace, won’t stop doing what you are doing (lack of self control).
Being poor, depressed, alienated etc may be the reasons behind the greed, laziness and lack of self contol but these things are the certainly the fundementals of the problem.
Being massively fat means you eat way too much (greedy) don’t exercise enough (lazy) and even though you look like a disgrace, won’t stop doing what you are doing (lack of self control).
Age is a factor. Many people put on weight as they age: whether it’s John key, Brownlee or Turei. I notice I don’t need as much food as I did when I was younger, even though I seem to be just as busy and doing just as much exercise as before. And I think for some of us, our bodies become less efficient at processing fast foods and processed foods. I eat much less of those sorts of foods now for that reason.
It isn’t about laziness or working less hard. In fact, I know a middle-aged man or two who put on weight when they are working at their hardest: less time for exercise, and a tendency to eat less healthy food on the run – less energy left over for getting focused on health issues. Not to mention, in some professional jobs, fancy food is the centre of many work-related gatherings.
KK I have this hazy memory that in a previous life I made the mistake of stating that a large overweight lady (silly step number one mentioning weight) who was IMHO starving children should be able to be referred to as “fat” (silly provocative act number two) because she had the ability to choose what her weight was (silly argument perhaps). For this KK I was thrust by the earthly guardians of political correctness into the gulag at a trial with rabid commissars convinced like Grand Inquisitors of the sanctity of their mission (hey I might be guilty but in the case of “fat” statements punishment and crime dont match, you are better doing white collar fraud), it is sort of a hyper crime. At that point Purgatory offered itself as a viable option. Being dead is quite preferable. Be warned, dont go there.
Hmmmm, I’m no trick cyclist, but does anybody else think that its likely that KK is 20-30kg overweight himself and just lashing out as a form of transference based on his own depression and self loathing?
It isn’t about laziness or working less hard. In fact, I know a middle-aged man or two who put on weight when they are working at their hardest: less time for exercise, and a tendency to eat less healthy food on the run – less energy left over for getting focused on health issues. Not to mention, in some professional jobs, fancy food is the centre of many work-related gatherings.
This actually explains what is so very wrong with the environments, and how is it possible to expect people to function well under such conditions. Able bodied people can make time for self respect, like eating well and exercising, sleep etc, under most circumstances.
“I think you will find that a surplus of calories in than expended causes fat gain in humans. That calorie imbalance only happens one way.
This is science not bigotry.”
[citation needed]
Because that’s not what the science says. Even at the most basic level, the calories in/calories out theory just isn’t true – there are other factors at play in how nutrients get metabolised and what happens to metabolism when people expend energy. The science shows that weight gain is the result of many complex metabolic processes. For some people, the relationship between caloric intake/exercise and weight is fairly straight forward and so they can rely on the calorie in/out idea. But for many others, it just doesn’t work that way, biologically.
For instance it’s normal and natural for women in their 40s to put on weight in preparation for menopause (women with fat do better in menopause than thin women). Weight gain is also a consequence of exposure to prolonged stress. And Maori women are more at risk because they are not as genetically adapted to the high carb modern diet.
People with insulin resistance are biologically going to have a harder time losing weight or maintaining a weight considered healthy by contemporary standards. But then we don’t know what a healthy weight is because the goal posts have shifted so much. Despite what you’ve seen on teevee it’s possible to be ‘fat’ and healthy.
So, yes, in the absence of any actual evidence that “being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.” (and “I said so does not equal evidence), you are just spouting your own nasty, ill-informed bigotry.
Of course, idle speculation drawing together a certain obsession with calling people grossly obese and the choice as one’s nom d’écume of the name of a massively oversized and somewhat portly ape does tend to suggest that our friendly gorilla has their own issues with body image insecurity.
And you are a brain dead moron KK. Being poor, depressed, alienated etc may be the reasons behind the Brain Death, but these things are the certainly the fundementals of the problem.
KK – I am glad to see you acknowledge not being “incredibly scientific” (to put it mildly!) Apparantly we are to conclude that you yourself contain all of the great virtues which you deny larger persons. Have you performed miracles? If so, make it known to the Vatican, sainthood might be coming your way! On the other hand, possibly you will continue growing in egotism.
You have the gall to state “Turei is clinically obese” – how do you know her doctor’s diagnosis? How do you know, for that matter, what is a “normal person”? (I guess you provide yourself for this criteria). Having stated that Turei is “clinically obese”, that is as a fact, later you say that “it is a pretty fair assumption that she is clinically obese”! You have moved your ground, and are virtually guilty of self-contradiction.
But, having very little by way of self-awareness (I suggest you read Socrates), you then have the superlative hide to enquire “Show evidence that Turei’s weight has an impact on her performance.” All the evidence anybody could ever require is there to see and examine. I suggest that you take a dispassionate look; then you will find no negative impact on her performance whatsoever.
KK – do you ever feel embarrassed? Well, it is about time that you did!
In my experience, folks who tend to be proud of their genetic advantage tend to be somewhat delusional, but with some vicious little subconscious insecurities that suggest the delusion goes only so deep.
Ok, now that we’ve spent the day establishing that King Kong is a fat-phobic bigot and trool, who can’t make even a half-hearted attempt to back up his prejudices, what do we do next?
ETA: couldn’t resist: QoT’s muppet on a blog citations
So Brownlee’s girth renders his politics unimpeachable and him a sincere non-politicking fiduciary of our democracy ? What planet are you on ? Bad Question Sorry.
This is the same bullshit Norman Kirk got 40 years ago – “……can’t be trusted to lead the nation ‘cos he can’t even control his own weight…..nah nah nah nah nah……”.
The wahanui irrelevancies of people who just know they gotta have a say. About whatever, whenever, and from whatever ignorant, facile base they spring.
(as kids back in the dark ages we used to have a joke about removing five pounds of ugly fat, but in this case I doubt it would make the weight requirement…)
And if you’re there r0b, the spelling of “stupidty” [sic], in your latest post?
Easily done – I really need those red underlines when I’m typing, but I don’t think they show under Post titles.
Not a criticism of you and I note several other comments by others on other posts here today have also mispelled Norman’s first name, but it is “Russel” not “Russell”.
[I am having a very nitpicking/pedantic day today – comes from having a battle with a certain Australian bank at present which includes on the wording of one of their online pieces of information related to the battle! I will get over it – but have finally won the battle. I will have won the war only when certain funds are transferred into my account …..]
Probably won’t mean much to non-IT people, the report is a big wad of fluff. The long & short of it is that parties un-named didn’t follow the most basic principles of network security. Any decent network admin could have told them that & saved the taxpayer about $380,000.
Another question is why the Govt engages these vastly overpaid consultants to perform a pointless exercise that really only served to whitewash the upper management of culpability. $400k of taxpayers money pissed against the wall.
actually, reading the kiosk report suggests to me that the real problem was that everyone did “their” bit, but nobody was looking at the entire thing. The testing brought up security issues (contractor did their bit), the security issues were resolved by ordering secure routers for each kiosk (IT security did their bit, although averaging “rare” probability with “severe” consequence into “moderate” risk seems unwise), the router order went to IT Network staff, the order wasn’t flagged as security-critical, along the line the network plan got changed and the (network)-redundant routers never got ordered (IT network did their job providing the network, though), and nobody had the job of going back and making sure that all identified issues had actually been resolved, rather than being ticked of lists in meetings.
A management clusterfuck, 100%. It doesn’t seem to be the case of any single incompetent individual, but is more a case of a number of units that seemed to work well together but there was no overall management. The engines were working, the navigator knew where they were but was in a separate room, the helmsman could steer the ship but couldn’t see anything, the bow lookout could see the rocks but couldn’t be heard from the wheelhouse, and there was no captain who could put everything together and stop the oil tanker running aground.
Personally I’m leaning more towards incompetence somwhere in the chain there. The security holes that Keith Ng exploited to browse the network can be disabled with a few clicks of the mouse in group policy editor. They knew about the problem and yet they did nothing about an issue that could have been fixed in less time than it took me to write this. There’s no excuses for that, even if they were sidetracked by plans to make bigger changes later it still doesn’t explain why they didn’t implement a simple fix in the meantime.
the report is fascinating. It really does point out that one team identified the issue, put it on the “to do” list for another team, but the other team ignored the apparently redundant “to do” when they upgraded their plans. Classic handover cockup.
That’s the way they paint it but it doesn’t wash. When an interim fix is that easy, and important, you don’t put it on a ‘to do’ list. You fix it straight away. These people are supposed to be professionals here, when someone finds a fault in your network you sure as hell don’t ignore it or forget about it.
LOL internationally noted jurist Endora Girl Judy of Clevedon doesn’t like its contents so we have
$400K diverted down the drain as the price of Baroness Judy playing internal National Party politics.
I thought public funding of partisan politics was circumscribed. Seems not. What about partisan internecine politics ? Again seems not with this government of higher standards LOL.
Just because I am a nit picker and pedantic, I note that the Stuff and Herald articles give opposite dates for the deadlines for filing submissions:
Stuff
“The council and iwi – represented by the Waikato River Dams Claim Trust – have until the end of the week to prepare their case, while the respondents have until January 18.
The respondents include the Attorney General, Minister of Finance and Minister of State Owned Enterprises. ”
whereas the Herald states:
“The respondents – the attorney-general, finance minister and state-owned enterprises minister have until 1pm on Friday to file their case.
The appellants, the council and the Waikato River and Dams Claim Trust have until January 18 to file their submissions.”
a tweet from Scoop this this link to the PDF document with the actual ruling. The respondents are the government ones.
“A: Leave to appeal, and to appeal direct to this Court, is granted. B: The approved ground of appeal is whether the High Court was right to dismiss the application for review. C: The respondents will prepare the case on appeal and will file and serve it by 1.00 pm on Friday 21 December 2012. D: The appellants are to file and serve their written submissions by 4.00 pm on 18 January 2013.
E: The respondents are to file their written submissions in 4.00 pm on 25 January 2013.
F: The Court will hear the appeal on 31 January and 1 February
2013.
G: Leave is reserved to the parties to apply for further directions
should they be required. “
The fatuity of the products is matched by the profundity of the impacts. Rare materials, complex electronics, the energy needed for manufacture and transport are extracted and refined and combined into compounds of utter pointlessness. When you take account of the fossil fuels whose use we commission in other countries, manufacturing and consumption are responsible for more than half of our carbon dioxide production(2). We are screwing the planet to make solar-powered bath thermometers and desktop crazy golfers.
As I’ve said, free-market capitalism must result in the over-use of resources and the destruction of the environment. Our politicians just won’t see it though and the MSM will never report on it.
To Draco Post 11 And what stops your post from being common-knowledge? Is the meme of self-interest. We must get rid of this meme and see it for the dinosaur-of-an-excuse for effective-philosophical understanding that it is. Our strength as a human-race is our intelligence and co-operation. The self-interest meme by-passes our greatest qualities and disallows the type of wide perspective we require to address the negative wider-consequences of our collective actions that we face today. Great to see you still posting Draco T Bastard (allbeit not as frequently) I miss CV’s comments and am greatful to you (both) for posting your insights. It takes a long time to shift group views into more enlightened ways of thinking and I’m sure you’ve added a great deal to that cause, for which I thank you 🙂
The most nutty thing in New Zealand this afternoon is the fact that all these Education Ministry people are still arseing around trying to get a computer program to pay their employees.
How utterly abysmal. It is classic evidence of the limitations of current technology.
Why not get a person to do it for each school? YOu could even have one person do a few different schools. And seeing as how no doubt everything needs to be ‘uploaded’ anyway, why not just ‘upload’ it once to your pay clerk? It would certainly be quicker than uploading and phoning and emailing and chasing and still not working.
It is in fact exactly like eftpos, a complete waste of time. Slow and useless.
We each have the best computer in existence inside of our skulls – why not use that computer? Plus you can get it for less than slave wages today, if you can pay the minimum wage. How many novapay employees are on slave wages?
Actually, the idea is that a team of say three plus computers can do the payrolls for say 30 schools (actual numbers may vary from these ad hoc informal benchmarks arrived at heuristically using ex posteriori methodologies).
Just like EFTPOS limits the amount of cash tallied at the end of the day.
Most electronic payroll systems work much more efficiently from initial implementation than the current debacle.
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It's been a great week of progress: we've celebrated Children's Day, we've made communities safer with 1800 new police, and we've seen almost 90% of eligible schools take up Government funding to scrap school donations - taking pressure off the families of more than 416,000 students. ...
Hon Shane Jones, Minister of Forestry The Government will further strengthen New Zealand’s wood processing sector as part of our focus on ‘value over volume’ in our forestry industry, Forestry Minister Shane Jones says. Minister Jones will today meet with forestry representatives in Northland to signal new measures to help the ...
New Zealand First are celebrating the announcement of an investment of $3.5 million into five new trapping devices. These are a range of bait and trap devices, all designed to be left unattended for long periods of time. NZ First conservation spokesperson Jenny Marcroft says that this latest development will ...
Jenny Marcroft, Spokesperson for Conservation New Zealand First is proud to announce the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) has allocated $3.5 million to develop innovative predator control approaches which will reduce the need for repeated 1080 use. $19.5 million of PGF funding was announced for Predator Free 2050 Limited in February ...
Darroch Ball, Spokesperson for Police New Zealand First is proud to have delivered on a key Coalition Agreement commitment to adding 1800 new frontline police, with the graduation of Recruit Wing 332 in Porirua today. Law and Order Spokesperson Darroch Ball says increasing police numbers and boosting their resources was one ...
Clayton Mitchell, Spokesperson for Consumer Affairs The ‘wheel clamping’ Bill that will cap clamper fees to $100 passed its third readinginParliament today. New Zealand First welcomes The Land Transport (Wheel Clamping) Amendment Bill to combat predatory wheel clamping behaviour in what is currently a largely unregulated business. Cowboy clampers are: gouging ...
Jenny Marcroft, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First welcomes the passage of the Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission Bill through its first reading in Parliament. “Today’s progress takes serious action on the mental health and addiction crisis the country is facing,” says New Zealand First Health Spokesperson Jenny Marcroft. “The re-establishment ...
Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries Today the Government announced the delivery of the promise to protect New Zealand interests by applying a new National Interest Test to the sales of our most sensitive and high risk assets to overseas buyers. This further strengthening of the Overseas Investment Act will ...
Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced further support as the Government of Samoa responds to a serious measles outbreak. “New Zealand will deploy a further 18 vaccination nurses, bringing the total to 30 working in Samoa over the next ...
The Coalition Government is delivering on its promise to protect New Zealanders’ interests by applying a new national interest test to the sales of our most sensitive and high-risk assets to overseas buyers. Under current Overseas Investment Act (OIA) rules, assets such as ports and airports, telecommunications infrastructure, electricity and ...
Rt Winston Peters, Leader of New Zealand First Allegations raised this morning by Stuff Limited / Fairfax concern a party matter but I am confident that New Zealand First has operated within electoral laws, now and for the last 27 years. Declarable donations were declared to the Electoral Commission. Our ...
The chairman of the Upper North Island Supply Chain Strategy (UNISCS) working group, Wayne Brown, has hit back at critics of his group’s recommendations to relocate the Ports of Auckland cargo operations to Whangarei’s deepwater port of Northport. The working group's recommendation to close Auckland waterfront to all but cruise ...
Health Minister Dr David Clark says new appointments to DHBs represent a significant changing of the guard, with 13 new chairs including four Māori chairs. Today 76 appointments have been announced to complement elected board members, as well as eight elected members appointed as either chair or deputy chair. Four ...
Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Fletcher Tabuteau, is travelling to Germany, Poland, Austria, and Spain next week to bolster New Zealand’s political and trade relationships in Europe. While in Spain, Mr Tabuteau will represent New Zealand at the 14th Asia-Europe (ASEM) Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Madrid. “New Zealand strongly supports ...
“I’ve spoken to Minister Faafoi, who has apologised for his poor handling of this issue,” Jacinda Ardern said. “I have confidence in Kris as a hardworking and effective Minister, but this should have been dealt with in a much clearer manner, and I’ve made my views on that very clear ...
Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters met with Tongan Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pohiva Tu'i'onetoa in Wellington today. The pair signed a Statement of Partnership setting out joint priorities for cooperation out to 2023. “We welcomed Prime Minister Tu'i'onetoa on his first visit to New Zealand as Prime Minister. Tonga ...
The Minister of Police Stuart Nash says his sympathies are with the family of a man who died after being shot by Police in Kurow. “Initial reports are that Police were called by a family member to help the man who was threatening to harm himself,” Mr Nash says. “However ...
Healthier waterways, better productivity and farmer wellbeing are front and centre in a new project involving more than 1000 Southland farmers and growers. Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor today announced that the Thriving Southland Change and Innovation Project is the first region-wide extension programme supported by the $229 million Sustainable ...
Work to look after nature and restore freshwater quality in Te Hoiere/Pelorus River catchment is getting a significant boost, thanks to new Government funding support Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage announced in Canvastown today. “Every New Zealander should be able to swim in their local river without getting sick, and ...
Eight Queen’s Counsel have been appointed under a process that includes the new criterion of a commitment to improving access to justice, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. “The new criterion was included this year. It emphasises that excellence and leadership in the profession can be seen through a wider, community ...
Onslow College in Wellington will get 20 new classrooms for more than 400 students, Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. The much-needed investment will relieve growth pressure the school has been experiencing for some time. Seven existing classrooms which have deteriorated over time will also be replaced, bringing the total ...
More than 250 young New Zealanders will add international experience to their education, thanks to the latest Prime Minister’s Scholarships for Asia (PMSA) and Latin America (PMSLA), Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. This round of scholarships supports 252 recent graduates or current students to undertake study, research or internships ...
Consumers will benefit from a more competitive, transparent retail fuel market as a result of changes the Government will be making in response to the findings of the Commerce Commission’s study of the fuel sector. “We accept the Commission’s findings and, as the Prime Minister has said, we’re ready to ...
Five new cancer medicines have now been funded this year, meaning thousands of people have more treatment options PHARMAC has today announced that it has approved two new medicines for funding – fulvestrant for breast cancer and olaparib for ovarian cancer. This follows earlier decisions on advanced lung cancer treatment alectinib, ...
The Minister of Local Government, Hon Nanaia Mahuta says the Government will consider making changes to local electoral legislation before the 2022 elections to fix the problems that have arisen where elections are settled by a coin toss. The Minister says the recount process in the Murupara- Galatea ward at ...
New Zealand will sign up to new international maritime regulations to reduce ship emissions and lift air quality around ports and harbours, Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter announced today. Subject to completion of the Parliamentary treaty examination process, New Zealand will sign up to Annex VI of MARPOL, an ...
New legislation to transform our urban areas and create sustainable, inclusive and thriving communities will tomorrow be introduced to Parliament, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said. “The Urban Development Bill gives Kāinga Ora-Homes and Communities the tools it needs to partner with councils, communities, mana whenua and private developers to ...
Today’s launch of He taonga te Tamaiti: Every child a taonga: The Early Learning Action Plan 2019-2029 provides the foundation for long-lasting changes to early learning, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. “Early learning will be one of the Government’s top education priorities going into 2020,” Chris Hipkins said. ...
Major decisions made by the Government will now be considered under a climate change lens, Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. “Cabinet routinely considers the effects of its decisions on human rights, the Treaty of Waitangi, rural communities, the disability community, and gender – now climate change will ...
Education Minister Chris Hipkins today announced the appointment of Māori education specialist Dr Wayne Ngata and Business NZ head Kirk Hope to the Board of the Tertiary Education Commission (TEC). Dr Alastair MacCormick has been reappointed for another term. “Wayne Ngata, Kirk Hope and Alastair MacCormick bring a great deal ...
The next phase of the Pike River Re-entry project is underway, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry Andrew Little says. “Fresh air will be pumped into the Pike River Mine drift this week, following acceptance of the plan for re-entry beyond the 170m barrier by New Zealand’s independent health and ...
New Zealand consumers will have greater certainty about their insurance cover when they need to make claims as a result of proposed government changes. “Insurance is vitally important in supporting consumers and businesses to be financially resilient when unexpected events happen,” Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Kris Faafoi said. ...
The Crown is providing an opportunity for the hapu of Ngāpuhi to rebuild its framework from the ground up for collective negotiations to deal with its historical Treaty claims, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little and Minister for Māori Development Nanaia Mahuta announced today. The Crown is also ...
A Bill enabling referendums to be held with the 2020 General Election has passed its third reading. Justice Minister Andrew Little says the Act is important for upholding the integrity of New Zealand’s electoral process. “The Government has committed to holding a referendum on legalising recreational cannabis at the next ...
The first release of public information on the two referendums to be held at next year’s General Election was made today with an informative new Government website going live. Additionally, the draft Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill has been released, showing the strict controls on cannabis that will apply if ...
The Government is taking action to protect New Zealand from foreign interference in our elections by banning foreign donations to political parties and candidates, Justice Minister Andrew Little announced today. Legislation will be introduced to Parliament this afternoon and passed under urgency. “There’s no need for anyone other than New ...
Governments and tech companies are holding a two-day workshop, hosted by YouTube/Google in Wellington, to test the Christchurch Call Shared Crisis Response Protocol. The workshop aims to refine and strengthen the response in the event of a terrorist attack with online implications. Companies, governments, civil society experts and NGOs will ...
The new independent Cancer Control Agency has formally opened today, delivering on the Government’s plan to improve cancer care in New Zealand. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Minister of Health David Clark marked the occasion by announcing the membership of the Advisory Council that will be supporting ...
Small businesses who deal with government departments are set to be paid faster and have improved cash flow as a result, under a new strategy released today. The Government is backing recommendations from the Small Business Council (SBC) and has agreed to implement three initiatives immediately to support business and ...
The Education and Training Bill 2019, introduced in Parliament today, proposes the biggest education changes in decades and is an important step towards improving success for all our learners, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “The Bill’s rewrite of education legislation is long overdue. Indeed one Education Act, parts of which ...
Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio will travel to Bali to represent New Zealand at the 12th Bali Democracy Forum that will be held on the 5-6 December. “The Forum is a valuable opportunity for Asia-Pacific countries to share experiences and best practice in building home-grown democracy and fostering ...
A package of new and expanded technology and other tools will encourage responsible camping and help communities and local councils better manage freedom camping this summer, Tourism Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. “Our Government has been investing to improve the freedom camping experience for everyone because we want to support ...
The government is laying the groundwork to understanding our genes – work that can help us tackle some of our biggest health challenges, like heart disease and diabetes, says Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods. $4.7 million has been invested in the Genomics Aotearoa Rakeiora programme. The programme will ...
Nearly every state schools will receive a capital injection next year valued at $693 per student to bring forward urgent school property improvements, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. The one-off cash injection is the first project to be announced from the Government’s infrastructure package ...
The Government has decided to bring forward major investments in New Zealand’s infrastructure to future proof the economy. “Cabinet has agreed to a significant boost to infrastructure investment. I have directed the Treasury to help bring together a package of projects that can be brought into the Government’s short and ...
It is a great pleasure to be with you today in Whanganui. Like the Prime Minister I grew up with the TV clip of Selwyn Toogood booming “What do you say Whanganui, the money or the bag?” to an unsuspecting ‘It’s in the Bag’ audience. For those under the age ...
New Zealand’s newest Great Walk, the Paparoa Track, was officially opened in Blackball today by the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage alongside the family members of the Pike 29 and Ngāti Waewae. Local mayors and MP for the West Coast Hon Damien O’Connor were also in attendance. “Paparoa National Park ...
Minister of Defence Ron Mark turned the first sod of earth on the infrastructure works for the new P-8A Poseidon fleet at RNZAF Base Ohakea today. “The Coalition Government’s investment in Ohakea will ensure the Royal New Zealand Air Force can manage, maintain and task the new fleet efficiently ahead ...
Civil Defence Minister Hon Peeni Henare today announced the establishment of the new National Emergency Management Agency from 1 December 2019. The National Emergency Management Agency will replace the Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management. It will be an autonomous departmental agency, hosted by the Department of the Prime ...
New Zealand tertiary students with top grades and a passion for space will once again be offered the opportunity to work with the world’s best and brightest at NASA, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Recipients of the New Zealand Space Scholarship are nominated by the Ministry of Business, ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced further support to Samoa in the wake of an ongoing measles outbreak in the country. Additional medical supplies and personnel, including a third rotation of New Zealand’s emergency medical assistance team (NZMAT), further nurse vaccinators, intensive care (ICU) specialists and Samoan-speaking medical professionals, will ...
Health Minister Dr David Clark says new data showing a sharp drop in the number of people who can’t afford to visit their GP is a sign of real progress. One year after the Government made it cheaper for about 600,000 Kiwis to visit their doctor, results of the New ...
Hell’s bells it’s Gone By Lunchtime, with Annabelle Lee, Ben Thomas and Toby Manhire shooting the breeze on Kris Faafoi, Jason Kerrison, Winston Peters, NZ First donations, a cannabis referendum, and the year to come.Just when you thought politics was tucking under the duvet for Christmas, along comes the guy ...
Tis the season for hangovers, so we convinced some of New Zealand’s most experienced consumers of food and/or drink (OK, Spinoff staff and a bunch of chefs/hospo people) to share their tried-and-true culinary remedies.A hangover is a very individual thing. For some, it manifests as a splitting headache and extreme ...
Before Britain’s Got Talent: Champions hits our screens tonight, let’s take a fond look back at some of the show’s weirdest and most wonderful acts.Place your hands on your Golden Buzzer, because Britain’s Got Talent: The Champions kicks off this weekend. Champions is BGT bigger and better than it’s been before, ...
Following the raging success of the 2018 non-goat ethical Christmas gift guide, here for you today – responsibly wrapped in reusable gift wrap – is the 2019 list of ethical, sustainable, socially conscious, or charitable gift ideas to satisfy all kinds of family members and budgets.Budget Category: ‘Can we pay ...
Lime brought e-scooters to Auckland and changed the way we travel in less than a year. Now, the council is replacing it and Wave with three new contenders. Josie Adams goes to the Lime warehouse to say goodbye to the original scooters.In a warehouse in Eden Terrace, almost a thousand ...
Analysis - The government's first crack at cannabis legislation runs into trouble, a foreign donations bill is rammed through Parliament and a select committee refuses to listen to former NZ First officeholders. ...
Dr Ben Jansen is Oceania's leading prescriber of cannabis medicines, and a co-founder of the Hemp Foundation.org.nz “I’d like to thank the Labour Party and Chris Woodney. Thanks to his policy remit at Labours national conference, and Labours full support, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Hannah Soong, Senior Lecturer in Teacher Education Practice, School of Education, University of South Australia Australian 15 year olds were around three and a half years behind their counterparts in China in maths, according to the OECD’s latest results for education systems ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dimitri Perrin, Senior Lecturer, Queensland University of Technology More than a year ago, the world was shocked by Chinese biophysicist He Jiankui’s attempt to use CRISPR technology to modify human embryos and make them resistant to HIV, which led to the birth ...
Cabinet minister Kris Faafoi has apologised to the Prime Minister for his messages to Jason Kerrison regarding an immigration case, but will not lose his job. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julian Meyrick, Professor of Creative Arts, Flinders University The decision to merge the Department of Communications and the Arts with Transport, Infrastructure and Regional development (dropping the “Arts” entirely) ends a year in which Australian politics has been deeply confused over its ...
A historic referendum on independence has been completed in Bougainville. Johnny Blades of RNZ was there. People in the autonomous Papua New Guinea region of Bougainville have voted in an historic independence referendum. The long-anticipated referendum is the ultimate provision of 2001’s Bougainville Peace Agreement, which followed a brutal, protracted ...
Dairy farmers had some Xmas cheer this week, as dairy giant Fonterra told them the forecast payout would be the fourth-highest-ever, at the mid-point of its farmgate milk price range. The $7.30kg/ms means the cash payout for the season will reach $11.2bn, a rise of about $400m from the earlier forecast. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Caitlin Syme, PhD in Vertebrate Palaeontology, The University of Queensland When you find dinosaur skeletons, how can you tell how old the dinosaur was? Like, if the skeleton is from a child dinosaur or an adult dinosaur? – Henry, aged 8. ...
The Council of Licenced Firearms Owners (COLFO) has had to clarify the law with Police and receive their reassurance that while the amnesty for ammunition was not extended to 20 December, Police will act as if it has been. ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 We Are Here: An Atlas of Aotearoa by Chris McDowall & Tim Denee (Massey University Press, $70)Superlative ...
This week a petition with more than 15,000 signatures was presented at parliament to Nicola Willis, MP and opposition spokesperson for Early Childhood Education. Also attending were Green MP Chlöe Swarbrick and Hon Nikki Kaye. ...
It’s that time of year again when, for the third year running, a new A Christmas Prince movie is released. Sam Brooks was in front of a TV screen for the latest instalment’s debut on Netflix last night, and here catalogues the many stupid, wild, and wildly stupid things he ...
One of the most highly rated members of Jacinda Ardern’s Cabinet is under pressure over assurances given in relation to an immigration case. How bad could it get, asks Toby Manhire.There has never been a New Zealand prime minister more engaged with contemporary homegrown music than Jacinda Ardern. She’s forever ...
Kris Faafoi, Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media; Minister ofCommerce and Consumer Affairs;Minister of Government Digital Services; Associate Minister forHousing; MP for Mana.The latest allegations of a corruption scandal involving a Cabinet minister suggests this government is far too loose when it comes to providing access to power ...
The National Party cannot credibly critique the Government’s hikes to fuel tax while it refuses to commit to reversing these hikes, says the New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union. Taxpayers’ Union spokesman Louis Houlbrooke says, “Simon Bridges has lambasted ...
Newspaper staff were among those to express dismay and fury during the frenzy of denunciations that followed publication of an ill-considered cartoon about Samoa and the measles epidemic. The Spinoffrecorded their reactions under the heading ODT cartoonist infuriates his colleagues with Sāmoa measles epidemic ‘joke’. It also reproduced the ...
New Zealand Police Association condemns comments made by People Against Prisons Aotearoa following the fatal police shooting of an armed man who had made threats of suicide. ...
A new poem by Harry Ricketts. The Writing Life You want to write.You want to be published.You want to be read. You want to be a cult figure.You want to be reviewed.You want to write. You want to win prizes.You want to be anthologised.You want to be read. You want to be taught in schools ...
As Christmas is near, it’s time to set the record straight on some of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of employment law that apply to the festive season. ...
Editor’s Note: Here below is a list of the main issues currently under discussion in New Zealand and links to media coverage.New Zealand Parliament Buildings, Wellington, New Zealand.Kris Faafoi immigration case Fiona Connor and Tova O’Brien (Newshub): ‘I’m on it bro’: Messages show Kris Faafoi offering help to ...
The Minister of Local Government Nanaia Mahuta has announced changes to prevent Māori wards being voted down by referendums are off the table, saying she believes such a change is not possible within the coalition. ...
It’s officially the festive season, and what does that mean? An office Secret Santa with a budget of $20 and you’ve picked your boss. Instead of settling for a bottle of average wine and a ribbon, follow our essential guide on what to get those unique workmates.At last year’s Secret ...
The shooting of a suicidal man in Southland shows that police armament is dangerous, says criminal justice group People Against Prisons Aotearoa. The shooting comes just over a month into the controversial trial of heavily armed police teams in 3 regions ...
The Prime Minister should deal urgently with reports Cabinet Minister Kris Faafoi offered to help a friend over an immigration case, National Party leader Simon Bridges says. ...
The families of top former All Blacks are likely to donate their loved ones’ brains to research so the effect of head impacts in sport can be studied. ...
A woman who went on a Tinder date with the man who murdered Grace Millane tells her story, and issues a warning to other women to trust their instincts when something doesn’t feel right.First published on Newshub.co.nzI went on a date with Grace Millane’s killer while her body lay in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gottfried Lechner, Associate Professor and Director of the Institute for Telecommunications Research, University of South Australia, University of South Australia Satellites are becoming increasingly important in our lives, as they help us meet a demand for more data, exchanged at higher speeds. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Terry Goldsworthy, Associate Professor in Criminology, Bond University According to the latest figures, homicides in Australia are at historic lows and compare well against international trends. So what do the trends tell us and why is the homicide rate in Australia declining? ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy O’Rourke, Senior Lecturer, School of Architecture, The University of Queensland Welcome to the next article in our Designing Hospitals series, where we explore how architecture and design shape our hospitals and medical centres. Today, we look at what Indigenous people tell ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Richard Holden, Professor of Economics, UNSW The latest Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) results are bad news for Australian students, parents, employers and policymakers. Pretty much everyone. Australian 15-year-olds are now below the OECD average in mathematics, and our results in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Danielle Clode, Senior Research Fellow in Creative Writing, Flinders University It is only mid-November but we have to walk early to avoid the heat. A northerly wind picks up clouds of dust and pollen, sending dirty billows across the paddocks. The long ...
Good morning and welcome to The Bulletin. In today’s edition: Changes coming to fuel market, anti-vaxxer arrested in Samoa, and banks told to hold more capital.New recommendations to increase competition in the fuel market have been made by the Commerce Commission, reports the NZ Herald. Their conclusion is that it isn’t competitive ...
This week's biggest-selling New Zealand books, as recorded by the Nielsen BookScan New Zealand bestseller list and described by ReadingRoom literary editor Steve Braunias. ...
An alliance of top researchers is trying to keep New Zealand ahead of complex health challenges from overuse of antibiotics, threats to freshwater quality and emerging infectious diseases. ...
The birthplace of the Labour Party is once again at the forefront of a new movement, this time harnessing the power of the collective to step away from coal towards a low carbon future.Blackball is a small place with a huge history. This week the town, 29 kilometres from Greymouth, ...
Life expectancy is increasing all the time, and now actuaries and retirement experts say young people need far more information on what they’ll need to do with their money if they live to 100. Don’t worry, we’re here to help. The message from the Retirement Income Interest Group of the New ...
German politician Joschka Fischer has had a remarkable career. From street violence and helping to set up the Green party, he matured into the foreign minister and vice-chancellor of a united Germany, serving until 2005. His understanding of power politics led him to support the use of force in the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Scott Morrison said it with a straight face, and repetition for emphasis. “I’m very pleased, very pleased, with the performance of all of my ministers,” he declared on Thursday. This ringing if unconvincing universal endorsement ...
PARENTS AROUND THE WORLD PLEA FOR URGENT CLIMATE ACTION 222 parents groups from 27 countries have released a heartfelt joint plea calling on negotiators at this year’s UN climate summit – COP25 – in Madrid to push for ambitious and urgent ...
Government proposals to overhaul insurance contract laws should make the whole process of taking out insurance easier and simpler to understand for consumers, says Financial Advice New Zealand. ...
Despite New Zealand First lobbying hard at the Cabinet table, the Finance Minister says the case to move Auckland's port operations north has not yet been made. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jane Tomnay, Assoc. Professor / Director of Centre for Excellence in Rural Sexual Health, University of Melbourne Around one in six Australian women have had an abortion by their mid-30s. These women come from all age groups and demographics: some are mothers ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Roslyn Petelin, Course coordinator, The University of Queensland Reports this week about the demise of the Apostrophe Protection Society may have been greatly exaggerated. The Apostrophe Protection Society was set up in 2001 in the UK by retired journalist John Richards with ...
Today the Court of Appeal released their decision to allow Helen Milner (The Black Widow) to have the last remaining body samples of the husband she murdered, in an attempt to prove her innocence by trying to see if he had an underlying heart condition. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rebecca Pearse, Lecturer, Department of Political Economy, University of Sydney Federal Labor this week commemorated a dubious anniversary – a decade of climate policy failure. And it pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Greens. Labor claimed that had the Greens ...
The recent statement by Simon Tyler on behalf of the National Provident Fund and the Government Superannuation Fund, that environmental and social goals must be balanced with financial risk and reward, displays conceptual confusion about the role of ethical ...
A bill designed to deal with terrorists returning from overseas has hit its latest speed bump as human rights groups raise concerns that it could be used to stifle press freedom. ...
Open mike 18/12/2012 
We are very pleased to publish this submission is from Lucinda Stoan. She is a social justice activist, mother, and educator, based in Washington State in the US. This detailed and comprehensive source-linked overview of trans issues and what is at stake will be useful for many people, especially in ...17 hours ago
Newshub last night reported that Broadcasting Minister Kris Faafoi had apparently promised to help out a mate with an immigration issue. While its normal for people to approach MPs for assistance in this area, when you're a Minister, the rules are different: as the Cabinet Manual says, Ministers must "at ...21 hours ago
New Zealand's Underarm Banker: It bears recalling that the “independence” of the Reserve Bank Governor was for decades held up by neoliberal capitalists as the most compelling justification for passing the Reserve Bank Act. Interesting, is it not, how the ruling class’s support for the Bank’s independence lasted no longer than ...1 day ago
“Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty we are free at last.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. A long and bitter court feud between former Conservative Party leader Colin Craig and Jordan Williams has been settled, with an apology and compensation from Williams. On Tuesday, Craig sent out ...2 days ago
Some people seem to want to close down any critical discussion of the current research into the relationship between water fluoride and child IQ. They appear to argue that claims made by researchers should not be open to critical review and that the claims be accepted without proper consideration ...2 days ago
In an unreliable, strange and confusing world, Public Address is proud to present a measure of comfort and stability by annually asking everyone what words or phrases sum up the year that's been – and then giving some of them consumer goods as prizes for being clever or simply lucky.Well, ...2 days ago
Both my parents are pretty handy – and they seem to have the right tools for most jobs in the garage and they know how to fix practically anything. A similar story could be told about their generation’s experience in the workforce – being a generalist was not unusual and ...2 days ago
While much of the NZ left has transitioned to postmodern and identity politics in relation to transgender ideology, there are some very good articles about that deploy Marxist methodology in relation to this subject. The one below is from the British marxist group Counterfire and appeared on their site here ...4 days ago
“America the Beautiful!”, staunch defender of democracy, freedom and… a whole lot of despotic tyrants that play nice with what is called “the Washington Consensus.” America is indeed capable of immense good, but like any Nation, and most assuredly any aspirant to the mantle of Empire, great, immense evil. All ...6 days ago
Image credit: The beginner’s guide to blogging I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is ... 6 days ago
It hasn't been a good week for the Conservatives, pollwise. All major recent polls are showing their lead shrinking.Comparing each pollster's current (between 29/11 and 22/11) and previous most recent poll.Com Res - Conservative lead down 3 points.You Gov - Conservative lead down 1 point.Kantar - Conservative lead down 4 ...7 days ago
The Council of Disobedient Women has learned that the Prefect of Aro Valley has been promoted to a new role with the blessing of the Pope of Wellington. Softy Jejune Parson has been appointed Mother Superior of Woke Wellington for the work she has been doing calling out heretics, ...2 weeks ago
Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, has called for awareness to be raised and more stringent biosecurity checks to be put in place for African Swine Fever (ASF), a widespread virus that is uncontrolled in most of Asia and a serious ...2 days ago
Live from the Whanganui Opera House, on the final day of the 2019 Labour Party Conference, Jacinda Ardern announced the largest investment in school property in 25 years. ...4 days ago
Health Minister Dr David Clark says new appointments to DHBs represent a significant changing of the guard, with 13 new chairs including four Māori chairs. Today 76 appointments have been announced to complement elected board members, as well as eight elected members appointed as either chair or deputy chair. Four ...3 hours ago
Hell’s bells it’s Gone By Lunchtime, with Annabelle Lee, Ben Thomas and Toby Manhire shooting the breeze on Kris Faafoi, Jason Kerrison, Winston Peters, NZ First donations, a cannabis referendum, and the year to come.Just when you thought politics was tucking under the duvet for Christmas, along comes the guy ...37 mins ago
"The neighbour takes my hand and walks me over the concrete to my parent’s back door": a look inside Hell by Alisha Tyson. ...3 hours ago
Analysis - The government's first crack at cannabis legislation runs into trouble, a foreign donations bill is rammed through Parliament and a select committee refuses to listen to former NZ First officeholders. ...14 hours ago
Dr Ben Jansen is Oceania's leading prescriber of cannabis medicines, and a co-founder of the Hemp Foundation.org.nz “I’d like to thank the Labour Party and Chris Woodney. Thanks to his policy remit at Labours national conference, and Labours full support, ...15 hours ago
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Key on TV3 Now that’s Delusional!!!! They have had a good year and back on track for a surplus and he rates his govt at 8/10. What a Clown!
In terms of ‘who’ the Slippery National Government are Governing on behalf of the Slippery little Shyster could well be patting Himself on the back for a job well done,
As one of the ‘share-holding’ elite Slippery has managed in 3 short years to short circuit the New Zealand economy removing most of the disposable income from the bottom 40% of income and redistribute this directly into the pockets of the top 60% of income thus insuring that production for the local economy drops as demand is stifled all the while maintaining the income streams of the top 60% of incomes via tax cuts and the virtual gifting of the top earning State Owned Assets to those within that income group,
His smugness must become ever more entrenched as He realizes that there is little chance of a Shearer lead government having the ‘metal’ needed to convince the electorate that both economically and socially the short circuiting of the New Zealand economy must be reversed…
+1
What on earth is going on ? You used to be able to send your kids off to school, on their own, off to the local shop, wherever – without even thinking they might be abducted. Now – there seems to be an abduction or attempt at one on young children every second day, Why is this happening so often ? Why is it happening at all ?
This is in today’s Herald : (sorry, don’t know how to get italics, etc on this post)
“Police have issued a description of a man they say followed an 8-year-old girl and tried to drag her into his car – the latest in a series of abduction attempts in Auckland.
“The incident happened in Mt Roskill on Sunday, December 9, but was made public yesterday. In another sinister case in Ellerslie, a 9-year-old girl was led for 50m by an abductor before she managed to break free.
………..
“A police spokeswoman said the man – described as Indian, about 30 years old, of average height and medium build – first demanded they get into his car and then got out of his vehicle and grabbed the young girl. “Her sister intervened …….
“Police are still looking for information about the attempt last week outside Ellerslie School.
“The 9-year-old girl, who was forcefully led 50m away from the school, was unharmed”.
Welcome to Nationals Brighter Future.
Where the back office staff have been cut so much, the Police have to their work as well. Where CYFS are more interested in talking, than in action, to save the children. Where The minister for the Vulnerable (Unemployed) thinks nothing of using private information to shut you up. Where ACC instead of helping, uses tame doctors to send people on their way unwell and injured. Where the Minister for the Taxation system says there’s nothing wrong, yet getting anything done seems beyond them. And lets not forget the Minister for Education, 1 word. Incompetent.
Yes lets just bask in the glow of Nationals Brighter Future
Yes, attempted child abductions are totally the fault of the National Government.
The Contrarian
You’re just jealous that nobody values you enough to abduct you.
uh, yeah.
“Yes, attempted child abductions are totally the fault of the National Government.”
No, not totally. But certainly the ongoing program of policies which make our society less equal and put those at the bottom of the heap under more and more pressure plays a substantial part.
So by that logic being rich means you are unlikely to turn into a kiddie fiddler.
Another good reason to avoid the poor
No that’s not what it means at all.
It means that less equal societies foster more pressure, more stress, more fear, more violence, more crime, and more hatred than more equal ones.
That’s what you’re arguing for every time your knee jerks out to kick at at the least fortunate in support of some punitive, oppressive attack on the poor. A worse society in every way.
Good on you mate.
I would understand that comment if this was about stealing or something, but how does inequality make child abduction more prevalent.
My instinct tells me (i.e. I have no source to back this up) that child abductions will come from right across the wealth spectrum rather than stealing which will be weighted more to the poor.
Crimes like theft, burglary and dishonesty offences I could see as being logically connected to poverty but not attempted child abduction.
I see you’re still tr0lling The Standard pretending to be retarded TC. Or maybe you really are dumb enough to think that the only crimes related to poverty and social inequality are those related to theft. I’m going with the former.
Hey try Googling ‘poverty child abuse’. It turns out there’s a whole bunch of stuff there that says you’re a complete dick.
The correlation with child abuse is obvious. We’re talking about abduction, which is quite a different crime.
My first paragraph was a response to TC’s preceding comment. My second paragraph was about my personal opinion of TC which people can agree with or not as they like.
However – you are talking semantics. ‘Child abuse’ is not that simple to define, I for one consider child abduction to be child abuse. No one has a monopoly on a definition. Feel free to offer yours, but note that the majority of abductions are commited by family members or acquaintances. http://suite101.com/article/statistics-on-child-abduction-a147599
From http://www.childabductions.org/, who might actually know what they’re talking about:
“The California Child Abduction Task Force views family and non–family abductions as forms of child abuse. While the psychological trauma inflicted upon a child abducted by a non–family member is commonly acknowledged, abduction by a parent or other family member has long been minimized as having few serious consequences since the child knows the abductor. However, children who are abducted, whether by a person unknown to the child or by a family member, suffer serious psychological and emotional trauma.”
Of course abduction is abuse. That’s a given. But it’s useful to understand the differences between relatively rare stranger abductions that get a lot of MSM attention, and the everyday abuse of children done by people they know, without abduction.
The connections between poverty/stress and everyday abuse of children is self-evident. The connections between poverty/stress and abductions is less clear, although I personally think it’s still a factor.
Tc seems to be questioning the idea that poverty/stress is a significant factor in stranger abductions. I think that’s a valid question, even though I disagree with his stance.
“The correlation with child abuse is obvious. We’re talking about abduction, which is quite a different crime.”
“Of course abduction is abuse. That’s a given”
K…
TC didn’t say he didn’t think the connection between poverty and abductions was significant, he said he couldn’t see a logical connection at all. What I thought he seemed to be saying was that the only crimes related to poverty were those related to theft I pointed to the wealth of evidence that child abuse is indeed connected to poverty, and obviously, as you say, abduction (by a stranger or not) is a form of child abuse. So govt policy is connected to poverty which is connected to abductions.
How significant that connection is is next to impossible to quantify or measure, so it’s probably a pointless discussion. But you’ve said you think it’s a factor – that’s all I was saying.
How then, TC, can the huge increases in murders in New Zealand since, say, the mid 1980s, be explained? I’m talking about how the murders of Jennifer Beard and Mona Blades, for example, in the early and mid-1970s, were front page news for weeks and weeks because murders back then were so thin and far between. Now murders are generally mentioned once on page five because they’re so commonplace. How can this be explained? How does a right-winger describe the reasons for this phenomenon?
You need to compare at the ratio of murders to population for those times and now.
“…stealing which will be weighted more to the poor.”
Some studies support that statement. Others maintain that property crimes are pretty much evenly distributed across all social strata.
Depends how it’s measured too. If purely by dollar value, bankers win hands down.
Fine. We are the thieves you are the [deleted – settle down please. r0b]
[lprent: 😈 Ah wasting moderators time.. The first step in the road to purgatory. ]
Lprent – no one gives a shit about your time.
Actually, I’m quite grateful he spends it here rather than doing polls analysis for the National Party…
Yes 1Prent, its hot down here in Purgatory today. KK stands no chance of cooling down round here so dont send him, suggest you slap him round the ears with a banana instead.
“child abductions will come from right across the wealth spectrum”
That’s not at all inconsistent with what I wrote.
GFC, .. Its labour,s fault didnt you know….. Fair dinkum
The Contrarian. Yes, probably, if indirectly, the fault of the National government “policies”.
A person attempts to abducate a child and this is the fault of Nationals policies?
Do explain
If those policies fuck our society up and fuck peoples’ lives up then yeah, could be.
wow
While it’s a big call, it is reasonably consistent with the concept that government policies actually affect people and their behaviours rather than just being a balance sheet without chaotically-propagating repercussions.
ISTR reading somewhere that folks crossing the threshold from fantasizing to acting on the motives tends to coincide with life stresses such as relationship breakdowns, financial difficulty or deaths of loved ones.
Personally, I think that the frequency is thankfully too small to draw any correlation with national’s policies (although one might be able to do something with police response times and deployed resources).
Socio-economic mortality due to non-vaccine diseases, on the other hand, seems to have a much more clear correlation with tory governments.
Yeah but I can’t actually see what government policies would lead a 30 year old man to try and abduct a young girl. That sort of thing is kinda dependent on the person, no? Particualry when this sort of thing happens will a similar frequency under both Labour and National.
(not to mention the fact it is fairly repugnant to politicise something like this)
As I said, IMO I reckon the “stranger danger” rates are too small to draw any political conclusion.
But like most other antisocial acts, if social stressors are triggers for a significant percentage of the potential offender population, then times of stress could plausibly cause an increase in offences. For a less politicly abusable example, ChCh domestic violence rose significantly after the earthquakes.
Individual perspectives are valuable, but we also need to look at the wider social perspective to possibly identify causal factors that aren’t necessarily visible when we look at one case at a time.
“Yeah but I can’t actually see what government policies would lead a 30 year old man to try and abduct a young girl.”
Me neither. But I didn’t say there was any particular policy that caused any particular act.
What I said was (paraphrasing) people with fucked-up lives are more likely to do fucked-up things, and the right-wing policies that governmens like this one follow fuck up a lot of people’s lives.
Hardly a controversial statement.
And those with the most f-ed up lives are those who make the rules we have to live by, those who enforce the rules and those who are protected by the rule makers and enforcers.
“Socio-economic mortality due to non-vaccine diseases, on the other hand, seems to have a much more clear correlation with tory governments.”
Got a link for that for any country ? It’d be an interesting read.
Other than The Spirit Level? 🙂
Here’s an interesting one. Although by no means definitive (yadda yadda GFC yadda yadda), it’s slightly stronger than I suspect a time-series graph of stranger-danger abduction attempts might be. And probably a more robust reporting set, too.
I was thinking of a dataset looking at specific diseases (cancer, cardiovascular diseases etc) over time in relation to governments in power. i’d be surprised if there was any significant effect of government flavour in comparison to the general trend of incidence of the specific disease in question.
Mental health and non immunisable infectious diseases and respiratory illnesses would be interesting to look at but again it would likely be confounded by the diagnostic and treatment advances over time.
I doubt you’d find any patterns alternating between a few years of red policy vs a few years of blue policy.
The interesting bit would be looking at the last 30 years of neoliberal freemarket policy vs the preceeding 30.
Not so sure about that.
I’d be looking at RFD/RHD, pneumonia for older patients, and complications of ambulatory-sensitive conditions like skin infections and so on. Something with a plausible relationship to primary healthcare access and access to proper food hygiene and warmth. Maybe serious admissions for mental conditions that are reasonably treatable at the early stages, too, but I don’t know much about how applicable that would be.
The way I see it, cancer and a big chunk of cardiovascular conditions would have a socioeconomic relationship because of smoking, and it would get skewed because it’s narrowly targeted as a health condition. The non-smoking cancers would be largely geographic, or congenital like a large bit of the remainder of the heart disease if we’re looking across age groups, too.
It would be an interesting study to be part of, but to be really effective it would have to use the admissions and mortality datasets linked together over say 20 years, and even then you can’t properly get super-reliable deprivation data at the individual level, without maybe inspections and interviews and income records.
The paperwork hurts my brain at the very thought, which is probably why I’m not paid the big bucks :). But I’d be as happy as a pig in shit with the dataload. And a study that size with that level of confidential data might even be enough reason to get a dedicated high-performance computing centre 🙂
Jenny, was that the online or print version of the Herald?
I doubt that the rate of abductions has gone up hugely. More likely is that we notice more because of the increase in population, and because of increased media reporting.
I suspect that the Herald is being sensationalist. Since when is two attempted abductions a ‘series’? The use of the word ‘sinister’ is emotionally manipulative and completely unnecessary for reporting the story. Hard to know if those things are intentional or just stupid. Not to undermine the seriousness of abduction, but this is still a relatively rare crime compared to child abuse by people who know the child.
Not in a lawyerly way, no, it’s not inconsistent, you left yourself a big ambiguous loophole to paddle in, but you did still try to link child abduction/paedophilia/whatever with societal inequality as if it was just an ordinary crime motivated by stress or poverty. It’s not. Shades of Lysenkoism methinks, letting ideology trump science is bad form.
CW. What is the point of comparisons in issues of these kinds? Bad is simply bad.
Hyping up issues around stranger rape of children hides the fact that most sexual abuse of children is done by people that know them and are in a position of care-giving or authority. The hiding of this makes it much harder for society to do anything useful or meaningful about child abuse.
Hyping up stranger rape also makes society paranoid about the wrong things.
Nothing has changed.
We got followed home by a paedo from school back in the day who got a bit leary.
We all ran away and then our Dad’s came out and gave him a hiding. Probably didn’t go on the police figures and certainly didn’t make the papers.
And actually that is a very valid point. Such things are a lot more widely reported than they used to be because of the shame and embarrassment involved – not that anyone wanted to acknowledge such things happened in this country either. Compare that to the general media policy of not reporting on suicides on the silly grounds it might encourage copycats, or the tragic under-reporting of male rape victims to the police.
Another factor worth considering is the ease of transport and mobility available to people these days.
Something’s going to happen – Something wonderful.
Stan Heather rugby park. http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=stan+heather+park&rlz=1C1SAVA_enNZ506NZ506&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=z2LPUOv-He-eiAe6zYDQAg&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAA
Zoned community facility, sold to an unknown developer,with tender bids decided by an unknown rugby trust commitee for $2m+ conditional on the city council rezoning to residential in the new district plan. The council, led by a mayor you may/or not recall seeing on Campbell live extolling her support for rubgy in the city, intend to rubber stamp after submission end in march.
I have a lovely little plan. I’m going to stop the rezoning from happening and ensure Stan Heather Park remain a community facility in the truest sense of the word, and never again be at the mercy of secret board trustees, greedy developers and an incompetent council. I just need some help to get set up to make it work.
Firstly, I need to set up a charitable trust. Any takers?
Second, get Owen Glenn to give me call.
Real change always comes from the bottom up, always. Get me set up and I’ll show you how in Hamilton West.
All hailing frequencies open.
Remember kim.com’s cabbage boat song?
I wrote one about Key/Banks/child poverty and sent it to Campbell live at least two weeks before his debuted. Nothing against the guy, but to say I was pissed was an understatement. Not just because my song was better 😉 but where his, in the politest way possible, was self serving, I wanted to release mine anonymously, all proceeds to feed hungry kids in Deanwell, Melville and Glenview in Hamilton. Still do, so I’m asking for help.
I watched Campbell live’s pieces on child poverty and feeding kids in schools, knowing there have been several of my emails sitting in their inbox, asking for a bit of help to pull of a genuine attempt at doing, rather than talking. Never even had a reply of them. Not even a get fuc*ed. Must be a mediaworks thing.
I posted a link and the lyrics on the PM’s Facebook site a while back, but I guess he didn’t want to help, either.
Worst record ever made? Who cares? Who really cares?
al1en.org
The faeces of the species
One more day, one more lie, one more smile, one more wave.
Some old joke wants my vote = Aspirational fail.
Did you see on TV? The third world disease on her face.
Unlike me, all you see, are scabs not your first world disgrace.
You’re the faecese of the species, you’re the disease, you’re the plague on the face of that girl.
You’re the hunger, you’re the plunder, all assunder, heaven wonder if there’s oil on the moon (in our bones).
You’re the statistic, optimistic, pessimist e-con-o-mystic, you’re the waste in the space.
Merchant banker, supertanker, deep drill wanker, pull your anchor, just get out of the way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorius.
One more try, one more bribe, one more tea for your friend.
Some old bloke on a rope while they bury his dead.
Did you see on tv? The mould on kids in their bed.
Unlike me, all you see, is dirt and the profits from rent.
You’re the faecese of the species, you’re a disease, you’re a plague on the backs of us all.
You’re the sadistic, little twisted, first world gifted, Mi-pad whizz kid, the foul wind in the sales.
You’re the hunter, you’re the blunder, toxic numbers, six foot under, and you’re a slag to good grace.
Mother cluster, bunker buster, colonel mustard, general custurd, just get out of our way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorius.
The SFO, despite getting a guilty plea from disgraced criminal lawyer Anita Killee, has been left looking like a bunch of impotent cuckolds.
Kiwis love it this way though, its built in that ignorance must be defended at all costs!
Trite statistics are king Not justice or equity Its a” brighter future ” 9 out of 10 climate scintists agree….
BBC admits pandering to Israeli propaganda
by Amena Saleem, The Electronic Intifada, London, 14 December 2012
http://electronicintifada.net/content/bbc-admits-pandering-israeli-propaganda/12004
One of the most consistent aspects of the BBC’s reporting of Gaza and Israel is the insistence of its journalists that any “outbreak of violence” is the fault of the Palestinians.
When Israel bombs or shells Gaza, this is unfailingly reported by the BBC as being in “response” or “retaliation” to rockets being fired from the blockaded territory. The unflinching regularity of this one-sided reporting by the UK’s state broadcaster is meticulously recorded in More Bad News from Israel, the book by Greg Philo and Mike Berry which contains research by the Glasgow Media Unit into the BBC’s reporting of the occupation.
The BBC’s coverage of Israel’s most recent assault on Gaza in November was no exception. An article published on the BBC’s website the day Hamas commander Ahmed al-Jabari was assassinated in an Israeli airstrike in Gaza City stated that the killing “follows a wave of rocket attacks against Israel from the territory” (“Israeli air strike kills Hamas military chief Jabari,” 14 November 2012).
The article went on to feature an Israeli army spokesperson’s claim that al-Jabari had “a lot of blood on his hands” and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s assertion that a “clear message” had been sent to “Hamas and other terrorist organizations.” Netanyahu’s comments ended with the words: “We will continue to do everything to protect our citizens.”
All of Israel’s key propaganda messages were conveyed, while the reality was carefully hidden. There is, of course, the ongoing reality that Israel is an occupier and a serial violator of international law — facts which are buried under the credibility and authority the BBC accords to its politicians and spokespeople and what they say.
Ignoring reality
On an immediate level, another crucial reality was ignored. By assassinating al-Jabari — itself an illegal act of extrajudicial murder which the BBC failed to examine, even as it printed Netanyahu’s triumphal “clear message” — Israel had violated a ceasefire brokered three days earlier.
This information, so casually ditched by the BBC’s journalists — online, on television and on radio news — was absolutely crucial. It emboldened the lie, disseminated across the BBC’s media outlets, that al-Jabari’s killing and the eight-day onslaught that came next followed “a wave of rocket attacks” from Gaza.
It didn’t. Al-Jabari’s assassination and the ensuing attack on Gaza which killed more than 160 Palestinians, including more than 30 children, followed a ceasefire, which the Palestinian groups in Gaza had been observing and may well have carried on observing if …..
Read more….
http://electronicintifada.net/content/bbc-admits-pandering-israeli-propaganda/12004
Again with the rabid Antisemitism? Reading motivations in the BBC like tea leaves
Not sure there is any requirement to be able to read tea leaves, in order to spot the imbalance in the MSM around the world, including NZ. We can thank the AP/reuters network for ensuring this imbalance continues, on the same rabid path!
Shalom
Pointing out that the MSM misrepresents the facts about the violence in the ME is anti-semitism?
Where’s the antisemitism? Weak.
1.) “Where’s the antisemitism?”
There is none, and the dolt knows it.
2.) “Weak.”
And depraved, dishonest and desperate. But, in the absence of an argument, it’s all the poor fellow has to offer.
Our friend “Populuxe1” has again tried, unwisely, to be clever…
1.) “Again with the rabid Antisemitism?”
Criticism of an outlaw regime, a regime that is condemned by nearly every nation in the world, is “Antisemitism”?
2.) “Reading motivations in the BBC like tea leaves”
That article was a carefully and thoroughly researched piece of scholarly analysis. You can call it tealeaf reading if you like, but you’ve been discredited long ago on this forum, and nobody with any sense takes you seriously. (Anyone who thinks I am being uncharitable towards this dolt should check out his lunatic raving just the other day—Saturday—where he earnestly tries to make a case in support of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)
Having falsely identified anti-semitism Pop, you come over all anti-anti-semitism. So rational, like a cat chasing its tail, not. Your entire premise is flawed but round and round you go. And you fancy that’s a response ???
Thank you anyway for popping up as a perfect example of the lazy and the ignorant who are dispositionally vulnerable to the bias and falsehoods Morrissey is talking about.
For Palestine – Justice The Seed Peace The Flower !
The Dim Posts latest poll charts make for interesting viewing.
“One of the end-of year refrains in political summaries is that National ‘held steady in the polls’ despite a terrible year. Well, they did hold pretty steady compared to the election result. But the polls all massively over-estimated National’s election result – if you compare current poll estimates with pre-election poll estimates then National is way down. (It looks like Roy Morgan may have corrected their methodology post-election, the other firms not so much.)”
See for yourselves here, http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/ho-ho-ho-heres-a-poll-chart/#more-14008
The smart money has Slippery’s National Government at 39% and tracking downward, given that the Maori Party seats currently held by both Flavell and Sharples are far from ‘safe’ with 1500 and 1000 vote majority’s respectively it is far from a sure thing that National could form a Government even with the (unlikely???), help of NZ First who (laughably), the main stream polling organizations still consign to less than 5% of the vote,
Labour of course are far from a shoe-in to form the next Government with a % of the vote at 34% a majority Labour Government would require a Green/NZFirst buy-in, it’s a long haul till November 2014 tho and if the trends continue i would expect that by election time Labour and National are going to be level pegging in terms of Party %’s…
If labour is regularly tracking at 34% in mid 2014 (unless the greens are regularly at 20%) I’d be a bit concerned. If they manage to build another regular 5% in 2013, like they did in 2012, a leftish government would be on track. But we need Mana and the Greens to provide some real flavour to the Labour sponge cake.
Following on from Karol’s series of critiques of how the MSM portrays and promotes Russell Norman as the leader of the GP, can the Standard authors please find an alternate picture to use for posts here that show both Meteria and Norman?
The one in vogue at the moment is a very nice picture of Russell Norman, but alongside a post headline about a Green Party policy it’s just wrong. Yes, Norman made the particular announcement, but he is not the GP.
With all their favourable press, their polling seems pretty static, and not trending up. If they were the default opposition as some would have us believe, surely they should be rating above 11%.
Is being the “default opposition” like an honourary title that some political party can take for granted? And expect to retain without continuous hard work? Which by the way the Greens and their members are doing in spades.
All through the 2010 and 2011 Roy Morgans the Green Party was typically sitting between 7% and 8%. Now that figure is bouncing around 12% and 13%. Will they cross 15% on a regular basis by 2014? Yes that’s very likely.
Unfortunately high intelligence is not a noted feature among New Zealanders. Average intelligence anywhere is about 100 (far from high), and this being the average necessitates many being below or well below even the average. The Greens appeal to intelligence, but it takes something else to make them popular.
+1 CW (and Karol)
Done.
Thanks, r0b, and weka.
Thanks r0b. I tried looking for a good photo of the two of them and didn’t have much luck. The Greens are dropping the ball here.
Come on. Metiria has put on at least 30kg since that was taken.
So? What does that have to do with poltitcal performance?
BTW, according to his doctor, John Key is now a couple of kilos over weight. Anything to say on that, or Gerry Brownlee, or is it just women MPs that get your kind of comment?
Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control. Not good traits for our Nations leaders. And you are right, Brownlee definately falls into this category however Turei coming from a party who is all about every one having their proper share and not taking more than you need to makes the irony greater.
Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.
[Citation needed]
Of course, she has a gland problem
[lprent: So do you. Your balls appear to be running your brain ]
Or was it that she was inappropriately touched by a lamington when she was young.
You are pretty much a sick little puppy and i wonder why your contribution is allowed at all except for the fact that it shows you up for being a sick little puppy…
[lprent: Because he usually tends to be careful about violating the policy.
That means he doesn’t get too many of these wee notes (any more) and therefore doesn’t waste moderators time without reason. We tend to cut him some slack (as we do for all regular commentators) for the odd times that they go too far over the edge.
BTW: saying something that is an explicit or implicit question about the site policies does tend to attract moderators, so reading the policy appears to be a good idea… ]
I guess this is the relevant part of the policy
I look forward to reading KK’s back up for the assertion that “Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.” I also look forward to his evidence that Turei is clinically obese. Clinically obese is a medical term, so we’re going to see some substantial medical proof.
Otherwise his post looks like flaming to me. It’s the equivalent of him saying “Being Maori means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.” Or “being a fat woman means you are useless”.
While I think there might be some use to exposing his misogyny (along the lines of bad’s point), it’s also tiring and often boring having to do so. I guess we might get some interesting debate from it, we’ll see.
Pah! Sexuality is for pussies! I mean dicks! I mean, uh, whatever. I’ve transcended that biological nonsense. I don’t even use meiosis, let alone mitosis! Yes, I use mimesis! No, better than that: memesis! Hah! I see your enormous imaginary penis and raise you my insidious propagandising of innocent youth in university tutorials!
I am infinitely, intellectually, transcendently fertile!
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Further to Lynn’s mod point above, let’s see some back-up for your intentionally offensive assertion KK.
Specifically:
Show evidence that Turei is ‘clinically obese’.
Show evidence that Turei’s weight has an impact on her job performance.
Show evidence that “Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control”.
I mean, we all know that you are just being a misogynistic trool, but let’s play along and see what you can come up with.
“Show evidence that Turei is ‘clinically obese’.”
Turei is clinically obese. Now only her doctor will be able to confirm this to the level of proof you will require but any normal person who has seen her in the flesh recently will tell you that she is the size of Jabba the Hutt so it is a pretty fair assumption that the she is clinically obese.
“Show evidence that Turei’s weight has an impact on her job performance.”
When she was smaller she managed to work her way up through the party and made enough of an impression to be made co leader. Since she has started piling it on her ability has been questioned a bit more and Russell Norman has been doing all the heavy lifting. Not incredibly scientific I know.
“Show evidence that “Being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control”.”
Of course this is the case. Being massively fat means you eat way too much (greedy) don’t exercise enough (lazy) and even though you look like a disgrace, won’t stop doing what you are doing (lack of self control).
Being poor, depressed, alienated etc may be the reasons behind the greed, laziness and lack of self contol but these things are the certainly the fundementals of the problem.
Being massively fat means you eat way too much (greedy) don’t exercise enough (lazy) and even though you look like a disgrace, won’t stop doing what you are doing (lack of self control).
Age is a factor. Many people put on weight as they age: whether it’s John key, Brownlee or Turei. I notice I don’t need as much food as I did when I was younger, even though I seem to be just as busy and doing just as much exercise as before. And I think for some of us, our bodies become less efficient at processing fast foods and processed foods. I eat much less of those sorts of foods now for that reason.
It isn’t about laziness or working less hard. In fact, I know a middle-aged man or two who put on weight when they are working at their hardest: less time for exercise, and a tendency to eat less healthy food on the run – less energy left over for getting focused on health issues. Not to mention, in some professional jobs, fancy food is the centre of many work-related gatherings.
KK I have this hazy memory that in a previous life I made the mistake of stating that a large overweight lady (silly step number one mentioning weight) who was IMHO starving children should be able to be referred to as “fat” (silly provocative act number two) because she had the ability to choose what her weight was (silly argument perhaps). For this KK I was thrust by the earthly guardians of political correctness into the gulag at a trial with rabid commissars convinced like Grand Inquisitors of the sanctity of their mission (hey I might be guilty but in the case of “fat” statements punishment and crime dont match, you are better doing white collar fraud), it is sort of a hyper crime. At that point Purgatory offered itself as a viable option. Being dead is quite preferable. Be warned, dont go there.
Yeah that’s what I thought King Kong. You’re just asserting bigotry as fact and cannot back any of it up because it’s all bullshit.
You don’t like fatness and attribute it to moral failings because that suits your prejudice. Why not just be honest?
Hmmmm, I’m no trick cyclist, but does anybody else think that its likely that KK is 20-30kg overweight himself and just lashing out as a form of transference based on his own depression and self loathing?
This actually explains what is so very wrong with the environments, and how is it possible to expect people to function well under such conditions. Able bodied people can make time for self respect, like eating well and exercising, sleep etc, under most circumstances.
Choosing not to, is a conscious decision!
I think you will find that a surplus of calories in than expended causes fat gain in humans. That calorie imbalance only happens one way.
This is science not bigotry.
“I think you will find that a surplus of calories in than expended causes fat gain in humans. That calorie imbalance only happens one way.
This is science not bigotry.”
[citation needed]
Because that’s not what the science says. Even at the most basic level, the calories in/calories out theory just isn’t true – there are other factors at play in how nutrients get metabolised and what happens to metabolism when people expend energy. The science shows that weight gain is the result of many complex metabolic processes. For some people, the relationship between caloric intake/exercise and weight is fairly straight forward and so they can rely on the calorie in/out idea. But for many others, it just doesn’t work that way, biologically.
For instance it’s normal and natural for women in their 40s to put on weight in preparation for menopause (women with fat do better in menopause than thin women). Weight gain is also a consequence of exposure to prolonged stress. And Maori women are more at risk because they are not as genetically adapted to the high carb modern diet.
People with insulin resistance are biologically going to have a harder time losing weight or maintaining a weight considered healthy by contemporary standards. But then we don’t know what a healthy weight is because the goal posts have shifted so much. Despite what you’ve seen on teevee it’s possible to be ‘fat’ and healthy.
So, yes, in the absence of any actual evidence that “being clinically obese means you are greedy, lazy and have no self control.” (and “I said so does not equal evidence), you are just spouting your own nasty, ill-informed bigotry.
Sounds like you might struggle saying no to the family bucket yourself and are looking for something to blame.
“It was my metabolism that meant they had to cut me out of my house”.
Anyway I don’t think we were talking about middle aged birds putting on a bit of frump. We are talking about being a serious Billy Bunter.
Of course, idle speculation drawing together a certain obsession with calling people grossly obese and the choice as one’s nom d’écume of the name of a massively oversized and somewhat portly ape does tend to suggest that our friendly gorilla has their own issues with body image insecurity.
Is it the experience with your undersized sex organs that led you to that conclusion.
fwiw. As a naturally envious people, you lefties would be sick with jealousy if you could see the outstanding genetic hand I got dealt.
And you are a brain dead moron KK. Being poor, depressed, alienated etc may be the reasons behind the Brain Death, but these things are the certainly the fundementals of the problem.
KK – I am glad to see you acknowledge not being “incredibly scientific” (to put it mildly!) Apparantly we are to conclude that you yourself contain all of the great virtues which you deny larger persons. Have you performed miracles? If so, make it known to the Vatican, sainthood might be coming your way! On the other hand, possibly you will continue growing in egotism.
You have the gall to state “Turei is clinically obese” – how do you know her doctor’s diagnosis? How do you know, for that matter, what is a “normal person”? (I guess you provide yourself for this criteria). Having stated that Turei is “clinically obese”, that is as a fact, later you say that “it is a pretty fair assumption that she is clinically obese”! You have moved your ground, and are virtually guilty of self-contradiction.
But, having very little by way of self-awareness (I suggest you read Socrates), you then have the superlative hide to enquire “Show evidence that Turei’s weight has an impact on her performance.” All the evidence anybody could ever require is there to see and examine. I suggest that you take a dispassionate look; then you will find no negative impact on her performance whatsoever.
KK – do you ever feel embarrassed? Well, it is about time that you did!
In my experience, folks who tend to be proud of their genetic advantage tend to be somewhat delusional, but with some vicious little subconscious insecurities that suggest the delusion goes only so deep.
Why is this tr0ll being feed?
KK, you’re full of shit. And look, I can even provide citations to back up my claims. Would you like to try it?
If we are just using some muppet on a blog as citations then I will use this
Nice link KK (snigger).
Ok, now that we’ve spent the day establishing that King Kong is a fat-phobic bigot and trool, who can’t make even a half-hearted attempt to back up his prejudices, what do we do next?
ETA: couldn’t resist: QoT’s muppet on a blog citations
http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.co.nz/2006/11/introduction-and-why-i-created-this.html
vs KK’s
http://www.yourefatbecauseyourestupid.com/contact/
I can see why you’re confused KK, you seem to have no idea what science is or what evidence is.
Oh wow, another right-wing bigot!
What a day!
KK – no surprises here, we get your usual discriminatory gabble (about the obese). Generous of you to make an exception of Brownlee!
“Being clinically obese means…”
What about being clinically ignorant, like you are? What does that mean?
So Brownlee’s girth renders his politics unimpeachable and him a sincere non-politicking fiduciary of our democracy ? What planet are you on ? Bad Question Sorry.
This is the same bullshit Norman Kirk got 40 years ago – “……can’t be trusted to lead the nation ‘cos he can’t even control his own weight…..nah nah nah nah nah……”.
The wahanui irrelevancies of people who just know they gotta have a say. About whatever, whenever, and from whatever ignorant, facile base they spring.
To wit – Mr King Kong.
(as kids back in the dark ages we used to have a joke about removing five pounds of ugly fat, but in this case I doubt it would make the weight requirement…)
And if you’re there r0b, the spelling of “stupidty” [sic], in your latest post?
Easily done – I really need those red underlines when I’m typing, but I don’t think they show under Post titles.
oops! Ta – fixed.
Good point CW.
Not a criticism of you and I note several other comments by others on other posts here today have also mispelled Norman’s first name, but it is “Russel” not “Russell”.
[I am having a very nitpicking/pedantic day today – comes from having a battle with a certain Australian bank at present which includes on the wording of one of their online pieces of information related to the battle! I will get over it – but have finally won the battle. I will have won the war only when certain funds are transferred into my account …..]
The final Deloitte report on the Winz kiosks was released a while back, anyone interested can find it here;
http://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/newsroom/media-releases/2012/independent-review-deloitte.pdf
Probably won’t mean much to non-IT people, the report is a big wad of fluff. The long & short of it is that parties un-named didn’t follow the most basic principles of network security. Any decent network admin could have told them that & saved the taxpayer about $380,000.
Why does this government keep paying for pre-deployment testing, and then ignores the results and rolls it out anyway?
Sigh
Another question is why the Govt engages these vastly overpaid consultants to perform a pointless exercise that really only served to whitewash the upper management of culpability. $400k of taxpayers money pissed against the wall.
actually, reading the kiosk report suggests to me that the real problem was that everyone did “their” bit, but nobody was looking at the entire thing. The testing brought up security issues (contractor did their bit), the security issues were resolved by ordering secure routers for each kiosk (IT security did their bit, although averaging “rare” probability with “severe” consequence into “moderate” risk seems unwise), the router order went to IT Network staff, the order wasn’t flagged as security-critical, along the line the network plan got changed and the (network)-redundant routers never got ordered (IT network did their job providing the network, though), and nobody had the job of going back and making sure that all identified issues had actually been resolved, rather than being ticked of lists in meetings.
A management clusterfuck, 100%. It doesn’t seem to be the case of any single incompetent individual, but is more a case of a number of units that seemed to work well together but there was no overall management. The engines were working, the navigator knew where they were but was in a separate room, the helmsman could steer the ship but couldn’t see anything, the bow lookout could see the rocks but couldn’t be heard from the wheelhouse, and there was no captain who could put everything together and stop the oil tanker running aground.
Personally I’m leaning more towards incompetence somwhere in the chain there. The security holes that Keith Ng exploited to browse the network can be disabled with a few clicks of the mouse in group policy editor. They knew about the problem and yet they did nothing about an issue that could have been fixed in less time than it took me to write this. There’s no excuses for that, even if they were sidetracked by plans to make bigger changes later it still doesn’t explain why they didn’t implement a simple fix in the meantime.
the report is fascinating. It really does point out that one team identified the issue, put it on the “to do” list for another team, but the other team ignored the apparently redundant “to do” when they upgraded their plans. Classic handover cockup.
That’s the way they paint it but it doesn’t wash. When an interim fix is that easy, and important, you don’t put it on a ‘to do’ list. You fix it straight away. These people are supposed to be professionals here, when someone finds a fault in your network you sure as hell don’t ignore it or forget about it.
depends if the same people at the first meeting were still working on the project at the second meeting.
Same with the Put-It-In-The-Binnie-Report.
LOL internationally noted jurist Endora Girl Judy of Clevedon doesn’t like its contents so we have
$400K diverted down the drain as the price of Baroness Judy playing internal National Party politics.
I thought public funding of partisan politics was circumscribed. Seems not. What about partisan internecine politics ? Again seems not with this government of higher standards LOL.
Are the elite bugging out? Hey dumbarse elite the moons not far enough!!!
The difference between pink floyd and gary larsen is worth the read – dark or far side – hadn’t really thought about that before.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/science/space/probes-will-crash-into-the-moons-dark-not-far-side-today.html?_r=0
Stuff breaking news: Supreme Court giving the Maori Council right to appeal 🙂
Great news.
Just because I am a nit picker and pedantic, I note that the Stuff and Herald articles give opposite dates for the deadlines for filing submissions:
Stuff
“The council and iwi – represented by the Waikato River Dams Claim Trust – have until the end of the week to prepare their case, while the respondents have until January 18.
The respondents include the Attorney General, Minister of Finance and Minister of State Owned Enterprises. ”
whereas the Herald states:
“The respondents – the attorney-general, finance minister and state-owned enterprises minister have until 1pm on Friday to file their case.
The appellants, the council and the Waikato River and Dams Claim Trust have until January 18 to file their submissions.”
Sloppy reporting on one or the other’s part.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10854793
a tweet from Scoop this this link to the PDF document with the actual ruling. The respondents are the government ones.
“A: Leave to appeal, and to appeal direct to this Court, is granted.
B: The approved ground of appeal is whether the High Court was
right to dismiss the application for review.
C: The respondents will prepare the case on appeal and will file and
serve it by 1.00 pm on Friday 21 December 2012.
D: The appellants are to file and serve their written submissions by
4.00 pm on 18 January 2013.
E: The respondents are to file their written submissions in 4.00 pm on 25 January 2013.
F: The Court will hear the appeal on 31 January and 1 February
2013.
G: Leave is reserved to the parties to apply for further directions
should they be required.
“
Thanks Karol.
So in fact both are somewhat sloppy as it is a three stage process.
The Gift of Death
As I’ve said, free-market capitalism must result in the over-use of resources and the destruction of the environment. Our politicians just won’t see it though and the MSM will never report on it.
Behold! Grumpycat!
The Gift of Death Would make a cracking read , but the ending is predictable .but only the last page is it clear…….
To Draco Post 11 And what stops your post from being common-knowledge? Is the meme of self-interest. We must get rid of this meme and see it for the dinosaur-of-an-excuse for effective-philosophical understanding that it is. Our strength as a human-race is our intelligence and co-operation. The self-interest meme by-passes our greatest qualities and disallows the type of wide perspective we require to address the negative wider-consequences of our collective actions that we face today. Great to see you still posting Draco T Bastard (allbeit not as frequently) I miss CV’s comments and am greatful to you (both) for posting your insights. It takes a long time to shift group views into more enlightened ways of thinking and I’m sure you’ve added a great deal to that cause, for which I thank you 🙂
good news
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8094305/Victory-for-internet-openness
@ Contrarian
That sounds positive. Although the NZLP seems to have found away around openness of discussion…
The most nutty thing in New Zealand this afternoon is the fact that all these Education Ministry people are still arseing around trying to get a computer program to pay their employees.
How utterly abysmal. It is classic evidence of the limitations of current technology.
Why not get a person to do it for each school? YOu could even have one person do a few different schools. And seeing as how no doubt everything needs to be ‘uploaded’ anyway, why not just ‘upload’ it once to your pay clerk? It would certainly be quicker than uploading and phoning and emailing and chasing and still not working.
It is in fact exactly like eftpos, a complete waste of time. Slow and useless.
We each have the best computer in existence inside of our skulls – why not use that computer? Plus you can get it for less than slave wages today, if you can pay the minimum wage. How many novapay employees are on slave wages?
Actually, the idea is that a team of say three plus computers can do the payrolls for say 30 schools (actual numbers may vary from these ad hoc informal benchmarks arrived at heuristically using ex posteriori methodologies).
Just like EFTPOS limits the amount of cash tallied at the end of the day.
Most electronic payroll systems work much more efficiently from initial implementation than the current debacle.
The problem is it is still looks to be in idea stage.
Anyone know if there are sites taking bets on the outcomes of Novopay? Feelin lucky : )
Novopay is running one on the side. A $1 bet at 7:3 collected the next day pays NZ$428577.5511 and a zloty.
Datacom, a home grown NZ company, used to do the job OK didn’t they? I guess this is just the price of “progress”.
National Government back in surplus by 2014, by kind donations of New Zealand motorists. Great thinking Bill.
aren’t they saying “2014/15” now? Nice way to tack a year or two onto their performance targets without anyone noticing.
“Oh shit, did you think we meant a calendar year? We meant a financial year, obvs.”
…
“Oh sorry, did you think we said financial year? We meant calendar year, give us six more months.”
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Interesting piece on special schools.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon