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Open mike 21/01/2020

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  1. Sanctuary 1
    21 January 2020 at 7:13 am

    Screw politics and climate change.

    What I really, really want is a Gordon Ramsay reaction video to "Cooking with Paris".

  2. Jenny How to get there 2
    21 January 2020 at 7:14 am

    The politics of hate.

    Is this an early harbinger of how our election will be run?

    Pilot John Sarginson posted to Facebook an aerial photo of a Southland field which had the words "Comrad Adern f*** off back to Russia" [sic] mown into it….

    …..Shared by the National Party's Meme Working Group Facebook page, the photo received plenty of attention.

    Views of the message varied. Someone commented "Imagine putting 10 hours in mowing this but still not knowing how to spell comrade or Ardern", while another read, "That is art work … We need this displayed at every school, office, every institution in this country".

    https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/rural-life-other/political-message-worked-field

    Ironic really that while National MPs are cuddling up to Communist China, this farmer reserves his bile for the Prime Minister.

    I wonder what this man's (it's always a man), gripe with the Prime Minister is?

    That she is a woman?

    That he thinks climate change is communist plot by leftists to destroy farmers? (to what purpose, who knows).

    That he resents having to hand over his assault weapons?

    is this person dangerous?

    How widespread is this extremist stance among farmers?

    Is it shared by his neighbours?

    Let us excise this boil. Some switched on Journalist needs to drive down to this farmer’s place and interview him.

    • Sacha 2.1
      21 January 2020 at 7:28 am

      Yes, rewarding the twisted guy with media attention is the smart move.

      • Sabine 2.1.1
        21 January 2020 at 8:52 am

        shaming can be a good cure for some.

        But we can also pretend that these guys don't exist, never ask ourself what would a person to compel to do some shit like that, and then do exactly the same again when it happens again.

        Yeah, you are right, lets not bother our beautiful little minds about people like that. Until the next time, right?

    • A 2.2
      21 January 2020 at 9:43 am

      Lol the spelling. It was a bad plot.

      Imagine being so ineffective at changing your life that when things don’t go your way…you mow the lawn. I sort of feel for him.

      • A 2.2.1
        21 January 2020 at 9:55 am

        And Russia has been a capitalist nation since 1991. There are some badly educated National voters around.

        • Alice Tectonite 2.2.1.1
          21 January 2020 at 10:33 am

          "There are some badly educated National voters around. "

          Wonder if they know about National's close relations to the Chinese Communist Party, & even having a former(?) agent as a National MP. Or just don't care & its all 'blue team' vs 'red team' no matter what (yeah MMP, I know its not that simple, but do they?)

    • Graeme 2.3
      21 January 2020 at 3:58 pm

      It's bullshit, that image is most likely photoshopped. The text lines up perfectly and the mowing is just too perfect.

      Alternative explanation is that some one spent a lot of time setting up a gps plot of the text and then running around it with a mower. An agg pilot with nothing to do and an anti-establishment bent could be up for that. The person mentioned would fit that bill, also a passionate anti 1080 chap

  3. Sanctuary 3
    21 January 2020 at 8:04 am

    *sigh* who pulled that racist Tariana Turia's chain?

    Never forget she sold out Maori to the National party simply she is a offensive fool who worked herself into a gigantic grudge against Labour.

    • Incognito 3.1
      21 January 2020 at 8:50 am

      What’s this about?

    • Molly 3.2
      21 January 2020 at 8:52 am

      If this is what your comment relates to, there seem to be some matters to be concerned about, irregardless of who is saying it:

      Ardern was asked for comment but referred questions to Peeni Henare.

      Henare said he was very surprised by the claim to the Waitangi Tribunal. He had seen the litigants on various occasions in the past three months – and none had mentioned the issue to him.

      Henare said the concept of Whānau Ora was safe under the Government but he reserved the right to change funding and administration.

      Some of the increased funding in the 2019 Budget ($15 million over four years) had been earmarked to work with men aged under 30 in Hawke's Bay and Northland prisons and their whanau to improve rehabilitation.

      But the programmes, dubbed Paiheretia, had yet to be designed and may or may not bypass the Whānau Ora commissioning agency. It would depend on what was already there on the ground he suggested. The commissioning agency may be involved but there would be no point in duplicating skills, he said.

      From recollection, Whānau Ora was never fully invested in – from the moment it was set up. National further dismantled it, even though Turia claimed victory from budget allocations that were less than what had been earmarked previously. This bypass of funds that have been flagged to Whānau Ora, seems a continuation of an entropic process.

      There may be valid criticism in that article. Given recent studies regarding access to health services and outcomes for Māori, it seems a kaupapa Māori service would be beneficial and an alternative would be to revisit the organisation with this in mind and strengthen it rather than dilute it.

      • Sacha 3.2.1
        21 January 2020 at 9:24 am

        It is funadmentally about who holds power over Whānau Ora – central govt agencies or the 'independent' commissioning orgs that replaced them. Similar private/public provision arguments as ever, with extra layers in Māori politics, and al of us honouring our Tiriti rolled in.

        • Sacha 3.2.1.1
          21 January 2020 at 9:40 am

    • Anne 3.3
      21 January 2020 at 9:49 am

      It all started when she was having a private meeting with Helen Clark at Vogel House. Tariana wasn't happy about running the media gauntlet at the gate when she left. So, Helen suggested she crouch down on the back seat and they wouldn't know she was there. She did that but one enterprising photographer saw her and took a photograph. Tariana blamed Helen. Reckoned Helen knew what was going to happen. It was all downhill from there… 🙄

    • Rosemary McDonald 3.4
      21 January 2020 at 10:04 am

      Hah.

      Back when, I sat and cheered as TT explained to Natrad listeners why she quit Labour and formed the MP.

      Governments can't please everyone…but remove the right to take your issue to Court was beyond the pale.

      GO Tariana!

      Oh the tears of ironic laughter when TT and the other two MP mps voted with their National bedmates to pass the iniquitous Part 4 amendment to the PHDAct…which among other legislative atrocities removed the right of access to the Courts for disabled people and their family carers.

      Piling on more irony…just over a year later TT denied voting with her National buddies on this Bill.

      As I was told did Te Ureroa Flavell at a 2017 electioneering meeting for pitched at the disabled.

      Further…around the middle of May 2013 the MP website proudly boasted of the extra $1.2 billion in extra funding from that fateful Budget. When I went to link to this in a post this brag page had been removed.

      I could be misremembering, but I recall a certain Naida Glavish was the name appearing on the MP website celebrating their successes for Maori gained by sitting at the table with Government.

      SSDD

    • aj 3.5
      21 January 2020 at 10:48 am

      Sanctuary 8:04

      “Never forget she sold out Maori to the National party simply she is a offensive fool who worked herself into a gigantic grudge against Labour”

      +100. That interview on Morning Report was classic.

    • Wayne 3.6
      21 January 2020 at 11:15 am

      Sanctuary

      Get off your high horse.

      Remember National didn’t actually need the Maori Party to form government. Both National and the Maori Party saw it as an opportunity for both. Otherwise the Maori Party would simply be in opposition.

      As a result of going into coalition Maori got Whanau Ora, the Maori Committee on Auckland Council, the Declaration on Indigenous Rights, an accelerated level of settlements, the single largest increase in welfare payments for decades. Without Maori Party advocacy most of these things would not have happened nearly to the same extent.

      Now it looks like the government can’t even do a decent job with Whanau Ora. Doesn’t say much about Labour, does it.

  4. Sabine 4
    21 January 2020 at 8:04 am

    all that white male working class anxiety – a nice write up about some anxious white boys decending on Virginia to protest (armed, camouflaged, dressed in fatigues, with helmets, goggles and shit cause they are going to a war 🙂 ) some really timid and commonsense gun laws.

    Have a good look at some of the pcitures and yes, ask yourself if this would be ok were it women, or people of color coming to town dressed and armed like this with the sole purpose of intimidation. But i guess that falls under boys will be boys. Right?

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/can-you-imagine-a-group-of-black-men-walking-around-with-masks-and-guns-virginia-rally-sparks-questions-of-racism-and-privilege/

  6. Cinny 6
    21 January 2020 at 8:43 am

    Well, well, well….. turns out laptops were also recently stolen from a neighbouring business.

    Politically motivated my arse, more like an opportunist, make that two, one being paula trying to grab headlines. Storm in a teacup by some paranoid tory politicians.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/407766/nats-break-in-business-next-door-also-had-laptops-stolen

    • Sacha 6.1
      21 January 2020 at 9:40 am

      From that story, here are the Nats seeding a dirty politics innoculation for their own filthy campaigning:

      "We just want to spend election year talking about things that matter to New Zealanders – it's about a growing economy, delivering on promises and so forth and what worries us is that this is a signal about the sorts of politics that will be played this year.

      "It's early days, I'm not making any accusation against anybody in particular but to have three laptops stolen from party offices in Auckland is disturbing,'' [Paul Goldsmith] said.

    • Anne 6.2
      21 January 2020 at 10:33 am

      … a woman who works for Brunton New Zealand isn't convinced and told the party so.

      "I did tell them, I told the guy at the National office, I said 'well we had the same thing happen to us a few months ago','' she said.

      Conveniently ignored so as to to sow seed of suspicion against Labour?

      • Dennis Frank 6.2.1
        21 January 2020 at 10:52 am

        sow seed of suspicion against Labour?

        Goldsmith was using subliminal psychology in his blame signalling, but too subtle so nobody spotted it yesterday. Sinister means `on the left'. It's actually Latin for left.

        "On the surface of it, it looks like a disturbing and sinister start to election year," National's Epsom list MP Paul Goldsmith said on Monday morning." https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118902748/national-party-office-in-auckland-burgled-overnight

        A rare instance of the Nats being both clever & subtle in their media framing!

        • Incognito 6.2.1.1
          21 January 2020 at 2:04 pm

          That sub-liminal psychology assumes you speak Latin.

          • Dennis Frank 6.2.1.1.1
            21 January 2020 at 2:42 pm

            Yeah, well, Goldsmith is a Nat. 🙄 Can't expect rationality. However, it's true that I knew that derivation while not speaking Latin, so he could argue the point. Cultural transmission of meaning occurs via trickle-down…

            • Incognito 6.2.1.1.1.1
              21 January 2020 at 2:48 pm

              It was a dog-whistle. Dogs don’t speak Latin either. They bark at passing cars, piss against trees, shit on lawns, and have bad breath and fleas.

  7. I feel love 7
    21 January 2020 at 8:51 am

    Where can we get these Make Aotearoa Great Again hats?

  8. Brigid 8
    21 January 2020 at 9:03 am

    UN Security Council to discuss OPCW report on Douma incident

    Russia has put forward an initiative to discuss a report by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons about the April 2018 incident in Syria’s Douma, a spokesman for the Russian Permanent Mission to the United Nations said on Monday.

    "Russia has put forward an initiative to convoke an Arria-Formula meeting of the UN Security Council members to discuss the situation surrounding the OPCW report on the April 7, 2018 incident in the city of Douma (Syrian Arab Republic)," he said. "The meeting will focus on the investigation into this incident by the OPCW fact-finding mission. The session is scheduled for the afternoon of January 20," Fyodor Strzhizhovsky said.

    https://tass.com/world/1108069

    There's no press release or report on the Security Council website yet.

  9. Robert Guyton 9
    21 January 2020 at 9:12 am

    National signals their intention to snuff out climate change curriculum in schools.

    "But Bennett says kids the resource is aimed at – aged 11 to 14 – are "smart" and should be given the "counterarguments" to what the scientists claim."

    National to introduce flat-earth science into Geography curriculum, coz, "kids are smart".

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/national-might-withdraw-climate-change-teaching-resource.html?fbclid=IwAR3pXXiVzGQGnPKHOVAe08NVQJzQuDglo-GCgSGFLHdXB1YIYysieDDFFfg

    • dv 9.1
      21 January 2020 at 9:54 am

      'Given' is an interesting word to use in that context.

    • Poission 9.2
      21 January 2020 at 10:55 am

      National to introduce flat-earth science into Geography curriculum, coz, "kids are smart

      Coupled atmospheric/ocean models use the flat earth equations to resolve ocean responses.

    • Anne 9.3
      21 January 2020 at 11:00 am

      Of course there are no “counter arguments” against scientific proven facts so she's up the creek without a ladder. CC activists and politicians should use this to show just what an ignoramus she actually is.

      I think she might fall flat on her face because deniers are becoming a minority force in NZ – especially after the Aussie fires.

      • Anne 9.3.1
        21 January 2020 at 11:25 am

        oops… should read what I type: up the creek without a paddle.

        • McFlock 9.3.1.1
          21 January 2020 at 1:44 pm

          lol

          She's already up to her neck in the creek and largely full of that proverbial creek, so a ladder might be more useful at this stage.

          Although she should still have the one she kicked away from other beneficiaries when the welfare state helped her achieve success.

    • Psycho Milt 9.4
      21 January 2020 at 1:07 pm

      "But Bennett says kids the resource is aimed at – aged 11 to 14 – are "smart" and should be given the "counterarguments" to what the scientists claim."

      I guess we should thank our lucky stars that the theory of evolution has no implications for Nat supporters' BAU – otherwise we'd have Bennett telling us kids should be given the "counterarguments" of creationists.

  10. weka 10
    21 January 2020 at 11:57 am

    • adam 10.1
      21 January 2020 at 12:23 pm

      Sorry to plug a tv show, but Wildlife Rescue New Zealand over on choice now does a good job of highlighting how well Orokonui Ecosanctuary has done.

      With Wellington zoo reasonably close, this Ecosanctuary should prosper as well.

      • weka 10.1.1
        21 January 2020 at 12:29 pm

        what's the connection with Wellington zoo?

        thanks for the link, I didn't know about that site, looks interesting.

        • adam 10.1.1.1
          21 January 2020 at 10:18 pm

          The vets at the zoo – some of the best in their ability to help native animals.

          I'm of the school of thought we need to intervene to help the animals get and stay strong. Leave it be environmental restoration, does not work in my opinion – where as human intervention is really helpful.

          Good book on topic weka is Rat Island by William Stolzenburg. Goodreads link.

  11. Dennis Frank 11
    21 January 2020 at 12:13 pm

    Apparently some guys can't distinguish between one woman or several women. It's not only commonplace here, Gordon Campbell has jumped on the bandwagon: "At base, the unsubtle subtext of Helengrad was that she was too bossy, and not a real women".

    "Elizabeth Warren’s very similar set of abilities is being seen as problematic today. Warren’s “electability” problem is seen to be a factor ( too cold, too cerebral) working against her gaining the Democratic nomination for the US 2020 election. During the latest debate between the Democratic contenders, Warren finally took the “electability” issue head on, by pointing out in exasperation that the only people on stage who had won every election they’d competed in over the past 30 years were the two women candidates: the Minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar, and herself :

    “Can a woman beat Donald Trump? Look at the men on this stage. Collectively, they have lost 10 elections. The only people on this stage who have won every single election that they’ve been in are the women – Amy and me,” she said….
    “And the only person on this stage who has beaten an incumbent Republican anytime in the past 30 years is me.”

    Unfortunately, not many Americans will thank her for pointing that out. Who does she think she is?" She thinks she's a winner. Cites the evidence to prove it, Gordon.
    http://werewolf.co.nz/2020/01/gordon-campbell-on-why-the-dice-are-loaded-against-women-in-public-life/

    • I feel love 11.1
      21 January 2020 at 12:43 pm

      I dunno, maybe because non NZrs can't distinguish "women" & "woman" said in our accent?

    • Bill 11.2
      21 January 2020 at 7:20 pm

      Warren is tanking in the polls because her constituency is more or less limited to the ultra woke and wealthy white liberal. That and everyone has just seen her for what she is with her bullshit weaponising of identity politics for selfish political gain. 😉

      edit. And as Sanders pointed out in response to her b/s 30 years claim, he beat a Republican to enter office in 1990 – which is less than 30 years ago assuming the election he won was after sometime in January.

  12. joe90 12
    21 January 2020 at 12:46 pm

    Lots going on in Trumpland…

  13. soddenleaf 13
    21 January 2020 at 1:55 pm

    Trump chooses Clinton defence, deny, obfuscate, misdirect. He did not have verbal intercourse with that foreign dignitary. If only Trump was alleged to have lied about sex.

  14. mosa 14
    21 January 2020 at 7:10 pm

    This from Keep Left Sack Shane Jones

    Late last year, NZ First was caught trying to enrich itself from public office, with a dodgy forestry company linked to a number of NZ First figures sticking its hand out repeatedly for government money. Regional Economic Development Minister shane Jones' "explanations" were patently unconvincing, and his recusal from deciding on the issue came only after people had started asking questions about it. All throughout this, Jones maintained he didn't know anything about the company and had never met them. But now the company says he was lying:

    A forestry company with close links to New Zealand First says it gave a presentation to Shane Jones about a project it was seeking a $15 million government loan for – months before Jones says he first heard of it.

    When NZ Future Forest Products (NZFFP) applied for Provincial Growth Fund money on 8 April, 2019, the company was asked whether the project had been "previously discussed" with the government.

    The application form shows NZFFP ticked the 'yes' box and said it had made a "presentation to the Minister" about its forestry and wood processing plans "including descriptions of the applicant".

    […]

    [I]n an interview with RNZ, David Henry, who is [NZ First lawyer] Brian Henry's son and the NZFFP director who signed the application form, said the presentation was a 15-minute meeting he and Jones had in Wellington.

    "We had a discussion with Shane. I think it was about a 15-minute chat. Whether you want to call it a briefing or a presentation – it was a short discussion generally about the New Zealand wood supply chain and what we personally believed."

    Jones has denied that there was any meeting, but who has the incentive to lie here? Hint: its not NZ Future Forest Products' arse which is on the line.

    But it gets worse. Because the documentary record obtained by RNZ clearly shows that Jones was briefed fully about the application and its NZ First connections in mid-June, and repeatedly received documents about it between then and October 14 – the date on which he told parliament he was informed about it and recused himself. In other words, he lied to Parliament, and repeatedly failed to recuse himself from an issue where any reasonable person would conclude he had a conflict of interest.

    This is unacceptable. It is dishonest. And it looks corrupt. The Prime Minister needs to sack Shane Jones now, to prevent this disease from spreading.

    Posted by Idiot/Savant at 1/21/2020 12:54:00 PM Links to this post

    • Peter 14.1
      21 January 2020 at 9:39 pm

      I'll know what to believe about Jones being briefed when RNZ publishes all the documentary stuff it has.

  15. freethinker 15
    21 January 2020 at 8:39 pm

    Yes, we do have large forces lying about climate emergencies, about 97%, hiding facts about the CO2 & other Envinonmental & social footprints of renewables etc. We have people lying about the political end goal of CC activism. You want links I’ll give them to you, however 99% sure you’ll not allow this post to be published. Go on, I dare you to have a proper debate…

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

    [99% sure that a ‘proper debate’ with you won’t be proper and will be short-lived but give it your best shot, pal, and make my day. Why are you using a different user handle again? – Incognito]

  16. Jenny How to get there 16
    21 January 2020 at 11:06 pm

    Australia's climate change misery is not over yet.

    Australia fires: Storms wreak damage but bushfires 'far from over'

    BBC
    20 January 2020

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51170994

    Australia fires: has the rain put out the bushfires and could they flare again?

    The Guardian,
    21 January 2020

    Blazes have been downgraded after significant rain but with high fire dangers forecast, the crisis is not over

    “We’ve had significant rainfall through the eastern Gippsland in the past 48 hours,” a spokesman for the Country Fire Authority said. “Bairnsdale received more than 75mm. Mount Moornapa received more than 130mm which is a new January record.”

    But, this does not mean the fires have been put out.

    There were still 87 fires burning in NSW on Tuesday morning – down from the 101 burning on Tuesday last week, but up from the 82 burning on Thursday.

    There were 17 fires burning in Victoria on Tuesday, more than were burning last Tuesday.

    “It hasn’t necessarily extinguished them completely, but it has temporarily stopped their spread,” Shepherd said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/21/australia-fires-has-the-rain-put-out-the-bushfires-and-could-they-flare-again

  17. Eco maori 17
    23 January 2020 at 8:39 am

    Kia Ora The Breakfast Show.

    From 2010 house prices have hike what else coincide with this date.???????. shonky.

    The Phenomenon is humans have a short life span some think its OK to stuff the rest thousands of years of our futures wellbeing all for what goes in there hip pockets that's just foolish.

    With the billions of dollars spent by oil barons to suppress our reality the youth of today need to preserve and protect their future that we are stuffing up.

    Condolences to Terry's whanau.

    Tourism brings in 10 billion our biggest export then billions exported Australia.

    I agree a new economic model is needed for the planet.

    Ka kite Ano

  18. Eco maori 18
    23 January 2020 at 6:28 pm

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    national would prefer people to not be able to get social security and live under the bridge this is all of our country we all deserve our shear.

    Ka kite Ano

  19. Eco maori 19
    23 January 2020 at 6:48 pm

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    I read a article that Whakaai has lava flowing.

    I don't think it correct in some one using our Haka but the positive thing is Haka is now World famous.

    Marama tanga its good to see there is more interest in Marama tanga in Te Tairawhiti now

    Ka kite Ano

  20. Eco maori 20
    24 January 2020 at 8:42 am

    Kia Ora The Am Show.

    Good on our Coalition government for providing some schools tamariki with lunches.

    The national party won't sign up to the Facebook program blue blooded people don't do transparency.

    The grammes is rigged like most things quite believable promting man ahead of Wahine.

    Ka kite Ano

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