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Roy Morgan
http://roymorgan.com/findings/7419-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-november-2017-201711220740
“In November support for the newly elected Labour/NZ First/Greens Government was 54.5% (up 6% since early October) ahead of National/Act NZ on 41% (down 5.5%) with minor parties outside Parliament attracting the remaining 4.5% of support.”
Michelle Levine goes on to say:
“Ardern’s rise to the top job has seen an unprecedented spike in the Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating – with 66.5% (up 8% since October) of New Zealanders saying New Zealand is ‘heading in the right direction’ contributing to a Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating of 146.5 – the highest in nearly 8 years.”
The new government is enjoying a very good Confidence Rating – very similar to the levels of the last new government.
So, I guess the “minority government” attack line will be wearing a bit thin already – next spin line , please?
Not exactly; National still knows that the LAB/GR election result is only 2.5% higher than the LAB/GR losing election result in 2008.
National knows that erosion around the edges is all that is needed for 2020.
Are you finding the Authoritarian Right more and more attractive CV?
North
Can you discuss the ideas please and stop showing your unreasoning bias and prejudice in your attitude to CV?
I’m thinking here about the hostile personal response that CV seems to draw from a group of commenters here. It should be noted how this is an example of human behaviour that arises and leads to awful behaviour if unchecked. Someone is set up to be a pariah and vengeful negative attitudes are expressed and this builds in certain others. They combine and feel justified in joining in some negative action. In this case, in this forum, it takes the form of constant pecking by some commenters at the person themself, and heavy disagreement and contention with everything said in an effort to change the opinion to what is agreeable to the inquisitors, and there is animal-like hostile behaviour.
It is different from taking exception to someone who is an everyday RW wingnut. This person has a sincere fixed opinion that is not simply Party-oriented, rote learned and part of the accepted wisdom of the comfortable classes. Instead of mining the view and trying to gain perspective, the
intransigence of the commenter in taking a different line, is to be stifled and demolished.
Hear hear, greywarshark!
Agree.
GW, you have a delivery which is thoughtful, explanatory and perceptive
tq. Holding onto fair and useful behaviour standards that work for us is important.
Because many civilised standards we thought were base to us and set in concrete are slipping away or just getting lip service, we become in danger of them being replaced by rigid authoritarian purist ‘strong-man’ or classist controls. We need balance and to hold that balance or we’ll get society that allows exclusion, hate and force at will.
Just to carry through on this thought. Think gun use in USA. and their lack of personal control and apparent inability to have reasonable redress through mediation on annoying situations. It has become acceptable to deal with people using force.
And the growth of diminishment and harrassment of people defined as ‘other’ and ‘them’ shows up in this example from Nazi Germany. As time went on and Jewish people were turned into pariahs by the authorities, no Jewish, or part Jewish family was allowed to keep a pet. ‘All pets should live in good Aryan homes.’ Just read it when I was reading some Klemperer, for those who are interested; it was classed as sadism by him. (I add that Victor Klemperer was amazed at the solidarity examples he met every day from ordinary Germans, who wished him well. They might give him some extra meat, or swear at the Fuhrer etc. You don’t hear much about the German people under the Nazi boot. But he notices it is from the proles that he receives these thoughtful honours, from communists and socialists.)
An upsurge of hatred against the other.
Mladic found guilty for Bosnia genocide and war crimes.
https://euobserver.com/justice/139981
Cheers grey, well said.
It reminds me of two wise women- Helenen Kelly and my nana.
“Be kind to each other” and “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”
Seen the comments…….fair enough.
on the flipside, I just didn’t want to get into another fucking argument about him yet again. My opinion’s pretty close to yours.
What Recession?
Liam Dann in the Herald
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11946855
With this quote ‘there are no economists picking a recession for Jacinda Ardern’s Government.’ Dann proves he knows very little about what independent economists are saying.
I assume he takes the words of the BNZ, Westpac and ANZ economists at face value….
Has he heard of the term ‘ vested interests ‘?
There is a reason those banks are playing it down.
Ann Pettifor
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-economy-economists-predict-financial-crash-recession-2008-michael-fish-austerity-cant-solve-a7513416.html
Steve Keen
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201845436/steve-keen-the-coming-crash
To banks and their economists and the wealthy people riding the prosperity wave, NZ is an investment vehicle, something that can travel on land or water! They have a licence to drive it, and they want to go wherever they wish.
Good stuff. joyce is talking about the dodgy Forbes article on radiolive at around 7.20am this morning, standby for the lies and the spin.
Don’t listen, boycott Natz, and take the ratings down.
But if you can’t help it, count how many times can Joyce say ‘minority government’.
Maybe as many as Teresa May says ‘safe and stable’?
No doubt they have similar advisers.
Funny thing was he didn’t think much of the Forbes article because if he did it would have meant nats had been useless with nz finances. (End of the clip on the link)
He still talked a lot of shite about most other things however
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/steven-joyce-brushes-off-controversial-forbes-article.html
George Monbiot
‘Our relentless consumption is trashing the planet.’
‘When you hear that something makes economic sense, this means it makes the opposite of common sense. Those sensible men and women who run the world’s treasuries and central banks, who see an indefinite rise in consumption as normal and necessary, are beserkers: smashing through the wonders of the living world, destroying the prosperity of future generations to sustain a set of figures that bear ever less relation to general welfare.
Green consumerism, material decoupling, sustainable growth: all are illusions, designed to justify an economic model that is driving us to catastrophe. The current system, based on private luxury and public squalor, will immiserate us all: under this model, luxury and deprivation are one beast with two heads.
We need a different system, rooted not in economic abstractions but in physical realities, that establish the parameters by which we judge its health. We need to build a world in which growth is unnecessary, a world of private sufficiency and public luxury. And we must do it before catastrophe forces our hand.’
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/22/black-friday-consumption-killing-planet-growth
And Rachel Stewart on the same subject.
‘Why Christmas is killing us all.’
‘Because here we are in 2016. The planet is burning in front of our eyes but we’re still going to buy those gifts, damn it! Because the world’s a grim and depressing place, so shut up and let me do this for strangers, as well as friends and family. I want to make them smile. Don’t judge me!
But I am going to judge you, and judge you hard. Strap yourself in.
If you’re not consciously thinking about this stuff, then you’re part of the problem.
Study after study shows that consumption now dwarfs population as the main environmental threat on earth.
Indeed, most of the extra consumption has so far been – but is rapidly changing – in wealthy countries that have long since stopped adding substantial numbers to their population. Like us.
Moreover, is it making anybody happy? Will those carefully wrapped presents in all their plastic glory keep anyone deeply delighted for more than an hour or two? Let’s be honest with ourselves.
Sure, I get that you want to please your kids but, really? Is this the way to go? Is there not an argument for opting out of this madness and telling them why?
I’m sure that most Secret Santa fans (and many bog-standard Xmas worshippers) are sane, rational human beings. They’re among the first to jump on social media and lament the loss of hundreds of species a day, or the vast inequality and poverty we see in our own country and around the world.
Except ironically, there appears to be this huge disconnect about what causes these events. Capitalism will literally be the death of us, our children, and humanity. But still we turn away, avert our eyes and do little to change the perfect storm bearing down on us.
It’s getting beyond urgent but, hey, let’s all have a cutesy cultural norm of a festive season. The economy depends on it, and the unequal wealth generated from it needs to be distributed to the usual suspects. Growth, growth, growth!
While you’re sitting around the tucker table and raising a glass to family, all misty-eyed about how much you care about future generations, raise the subject of just how serious climate change is becoming. How the Arctic ice is melting as quickly as the ice cream left out of the freezer by Uncle Bob. See how that conversation goes down.
They’ll call you “Grinch” and tell you to just enjoy the day. There’s nothing you can do about it anyway. Which is exactly how we got into this hellbeast of a planetary mess.’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11770187
All the evidence tells us that we should stop doing what we are but our politicians and rich people tell us that it can be no other way, There Is No Alternative (TINA).
This is, of course, bollocks. A few people just don’t want all the wealth and power that they’ve absconded with taken from them as it needs to be.
Country of origin labling should be part of the consumers guarantees act so we can chose wisely the quality of what we eat that’s the angle I would take on that subject of food labeling .
If I see or find a good Idea I don’t care were It comes from I will use it as the good idea will make me more successful and could save time and money so don’t listen to the bullies people talk about China controlling there people.
OUR world can see that our coalition government is honest and humane government
and Jacinda popularity is rising and so is OUR’s with her ka pai Forbes well they are all about the wealthy !!!!!!! so there statements are bullshit. Remember this Iwi it is not a fact until it is proven to be a fact 300 od years ago we would believe that OUR earth is flat now we no it is not flat but some idiot is spending heaps of money to try and prove that it is flat well that’s what the bullies are trying to do to they are making statements to try and damage Eco Maori Me YEA Right this shows the quality of our civil servants left to us from 9 years of national Its not about Justice Its about the system is always being right. Winston that’s exactly what I was thinking that one would have to be a soothsayer to answer Jack’s question . Ka pai
+1 ecoMaori, “Country of origin labling should be part of the consumers guarantees act so we can chose”
China is building influence around the world in subtle and not so subtle ways.
We should be concerned about this. China should not have influence upon our politicians or any other country’s politicians.
The Ancient Greeks worked out that the Earth wasn’t flat over 2500 years ago:
But, yes, belief still existed beyond that. The same can be said of capitalism. It’s been proven to be a failure, time and time again, and yet still people believe it to be the only workable socio-economic system.
But, after all that, I still have NFI WTF you were going on about. There’s no context and no logical progression to your rant.
Well I’m thinking of running in my local elections next time they come up I will stir them up and make them serve the people and mother earth.
On shortages of labour these people are crying that they need 5000 workers . In reality it is much cheaper for business to hire foreign labour It is cheaper to recruit them and pay them . So the big picture is Business will have to part with more cash to recruit Kiwi’s as OUR unemployment rate aint O% so Kiwi workers are there waiting for work and business will have to treat OUR kiwi workers like diamonds and polish and look after them which is what happens under a left lead Government. I can remember when
the Helen Clark Government won our election the price of fuel went up this is big business response to a Government that puts Iwi before there profits WHAT big business has not grasped is that the more evenly that OUR resources are spread the more we have to spend an the more profits they make everyone’s happy so if I was a big business CEO I would be backing OUR new coalition government . Many thanks to OUR lady’s sports teams for there win’s I can see that you don’t like publicity but this is the way OUR world works and this is what is needed to get more ladies into power to run OUR world in a humane way Kia Kaha ladies I like horses they are wonderful intelligent beings as all animals are .Ka pai
If you believe in something, stand up for it. Kia kaha brother.
Eco, we in the Greens have been wanting “country of origin” labelling for years. If my memory serves me well it was turned down by Helen’s lot. The food industry has powerful lobbyists and doesn’t want us to know the truth about our foods in so many ways.
Gull got 10 cent discount today till 12 am tomorrow once again I filled up yesterday at Gull Ka pai
GROPERS
No. 8: Rolf Harris
https://donaldelley.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/rhs_rolfharris0.jpg
“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
More gropers…
No.1 George Herbert Walker Bush; No. 2 Bill O’Reilly; No. 3 Al Franken; No. 4 Robin Brooke; No. 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; No. 7 Joe Biden
Plan on doing on on Bill Clinton ?
Yes of course. Clinton was the arch-groper, before the arrival of that alien life force that now pretends to be a president. Keep an eye out, my friend!
i’d call bill a sprayer as well as a groper loloololz, sorry couldn’t help it.
Deadbeat Dads
No. 5: This Old Etonian pig f***er treated his eight year old daughter with almost the same cavalier disregard as he treated the poor.
If you think that John Key is a deadbeat dad you are an idiot.
The evidence is there for you to see, if you look at it….
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11737059
LOL – so the kid say something stupid (and it was).
He apologies, and his father calls it out as inappropriate in a nation wide paper.
He tells his son its not appropiate – and gets the kids promise not to do it again.
Thats been a good father – not a deadbeat dad.
Poor Maxie, struggling to find his identity.
Google loves you. Well your compliance and money – that it really loves.
The Rock keeps a smile on my face when i drive to work Kia Kaha IwI
Sorry cannot separate each video, but the first one Capitalism, if it wasn’t so true it would be funny.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/gritpost/videos/?ref=page_internal
Sir Michael Cullen will lead the Tax Working Group.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11947072
Working For Families is not included in the review and gets its own review.
Other members of the group will be announced before Christmas and will include a diverse range of tax and finance experts, Robertson said. Final recommendations are expected by February 2019, but significant changes would not come into force until the 2021 tax year – as promised on the election campaign.
Certain areas will be outside the group’s scope, including increasing income tax rates, the rate of GST, inheritance tax and changes that would apply to the family home or the land beneath it.
Any change won’t come into effect until 2021.
This is going to cost $4 million!
Reading the Herald article I reckon they could do it for the price of a single copy of the paper. All you would have to do is cut out Robertson’s instructions and hand them back to him. He has told them every thing the are to put in, or leave out, right there.
Meanwhile another $4,000,000.00 goes down the drain.
C’mon now Michael needs a fine taxpayer trough to gorge at now that his gig at NZ Post has finished.
National and Labour looking after their own since forever – a pox on them all.
You are right, $4M could get us 1/6th of a flag referendum.
What did the job summit cost? And the “nothing to see here but we will look anyway” trust investigation ( not as a result of panama papers)?
What the hell is the point if increasing income tax rates, GST rates, inheritance tax and land tax are out of scope? Those are exactly the things that need to change!
Look like they’re targeting company tax and capital gains taxes – which are also things that need to change.
But yeah, GST and personal income taxes especially need to be nuked and made more progressive, respectively.
Veitch quits the new show before he starts:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11947097
I’m a little…uneasy about all this. Do people get second chances or not, is he “allowed” to go back to his former occupation as others have and if not why not?
Is tv presenting a job or is it something exalted so is a privilege, if he was a storeperson or a builder or something else would people still care
Are some crimes irredeemable?
Have you not known he has been on Radiosport for years?
As for second chances, most beneficiaries get no chances in NZ and they didn’t break anyone’s back.
Don’t listen to Radiosport but does this mean you don’t think he should go back to doing what he was doing before?
No it means he is not without a job
Are some crimes irredeemable?
Sure. I can’t imagine Himmler saying “Actually I feel pretty bad about the Holocaust now” and everyone saying “Oh, he’s sorry now, give him another chance.”
Veitch would be redeemable, but there are a few things involved in redemption. First up is remorse – Veitch has never shown any. If anything, he considers himself a constant victim of liberal virtue-signallers.
Next up is self-reflection and awareness of why people are angry about what you did. Veitch’s level of self-awareness is well illustrated by his tweet describing his new show as “hard-hitting.”
Last up is humility. He has none.
PM
+1
PM
+1 and I do like your last line
“Last up is humility. He has none.”
Well said. P M
That pretty much covers it, yeah.
Hear, hear.
PR, the thing with domestic violence is they usually have been given many second chances. There’s usually been many more incidents before one gets the police involved.
I don’t watch or listen to the guy but would the reaction be the same if he was a tradesman, would people still be saying he shouldn’t be a builder?
Some of it is sounding uncomfortably like its because hes on the “wrong” team he shouldn’t have a job in broadcasting
If Veitch were working for some outfit in their media stable would Stuff have been so condemnatory? (Don’t for heaven’s sake suggest they wouldn’t take him on because they have ethics or morals.)
I don’t like him at all in his work. I do not like his style of person. He eminently suits the way the media operates in 2017.
For some to say he shouldn’t be given a platform though, he’s had a prominent radio platform for some years since his case. There is no reason if those protesting are to be consistent that the campaign against him cannot be taken to NZME.
Having said that, there are some who seemingly still wouldn’t be be satisfied even if he committed Hara-Kiri on the steps of Parliament.
At least Veitch can smile about the Veitch type hyperbole and ‘journalism’ from Kylie Klein Nixon on Stuff: “Do you know what it takes to break a human back? Apparently it’s roughly 4000 newtons, or enough force to bend a car door in half.”
She mightn’t have had much to do with others who’ve had bones broken in their backs but she sure listened to the advice about spicing up an article.
Well, yes, she could just have written “You have to kick someone pretty fucking hard to fracture their spine” instead, but I don’t think Veitchy comes out of that smelling any sweeter.
Plenty of people would be quite satisfied if he took up a building job and never made the public spotlight again.
I stopped listening to radiosport when they re employed him with unseemly haste and advised SKY this morning I woukd cancel that subscription. Both stances are about the brushing aside of domestic violence cos sport is king and so forth
And he shouldn’t have. Not until he’s adequately apologised and shown that he understands that what he did was wrong.
I expect Hell to freeze over first.
Media roles are public roles. These days, whether you’re a politician, sports player, or talking head, people look up to you. You set an example. It’s part of the job.
Part of Veitch’s problem is that he not only did a seriously bad thing, but he still really has no idea why it was bad and is completely tone deaf when it comes to his actions. See milt’s comment for what “redemption” can mean.
edit: the thing about media personalities is that they leverage their work off their image. So if they do something that screws with their image and then complain that they can’t get work, it’s like me downloading viruses onto my work computer and complaining that the thing is running slow.
+1m
You do not get to choose to be a role model. Children choose who they look up to based on many reasons from pleasing tgeir parents to marketing. So those who say “he shouldnt be a role model” educate yourselves. The reason media get inflated salaries is precisely because we have distorted views of them. It irks me when people say this shit.
He. Has. A. Job.
If he was a builder would he have had access to the NZHerald pages to claim that he was actually the victim while not apologising for the harm that he had caused?
Going to be straight up honest with you PR
For me i think the issue is that he is in the public eye, a public figure, and a sporting figure. I feel that’s different from being say a tradesperson, who would not be in the public eye, won’t be on any billboards etc.
Yeah I think that’s my hang up about it all. Sounds a bit two faced, one law for public figures and another for everyone else, but it’s how I feel. Maybe because I see someone who is a public figure as a possible role model for others, a public representation of a companies brand etc. And maybe my feelings have a bit to do with the whole macho sports thing, which seems to be cropping up again and again of late.
Maybe I would feel different about it if he had say made an effort to acknowledge his wrong doings by speaking to kids about domestic violence, like doing a boys school road show etc. Doing something rather than donating $ etc.
I heard on the wireless that he didn’t even apologise to the lady whose back he broke.
Honestly have no clue where his political preferences sit.
Hope that makes sense 🙂
Looks like they saw him as potentially impacting their share price,
Heavens above its tiring work keeping up with the governments flip-flops/backtracks/misspokes 🙂
http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2017/11/climate-change-fudging-on-trees.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11946729
But, helpfully, kiwiblog has a couple of new counters on its site, the kiwibuild deficit and the tree deficit, good of him to help out I guess
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/
We can all compare it to BlIps. You rated BlIps stuff ay?
Nationals not in power so now its the present governments turn to have to live up to its pre-election promises
Don’t worry I promise not to enjoy pointing out every single time the government fails to live up to its pledges 🙂
I suppose you must have a job to do that takes up some of your time.
I think it would probably be a full time occupation trying to keep up a record of all the times they flip/flop on a pledge.
Fortunately my job does come with a computer but unfortunately they kind of expect me to produce work every now and then so i won’t be able to list all of the governments failings
Kind of annoying really 🙂
nah, like you he just parrots lines from the dirty politics team and is pretty much done in five minutes.
Mostly because I work so I can’t really spend as much time as I’d like on here because as enjoyable as this is sometimes its not as enjoyable as getting paid
As long as you have an awareness of your hypocrisy 🙂
All good PR, although I will never tire of saying it’s all Nationals fault, for the next 9 years.
Yawn. I take it the trees link is what I saw in the paper today where apparently two times 500million trees does not equal 1 billion trees planted?
Math says different.
“Partnership with the private sector is one thing, but misleading the public about the ambition of the policy is another. Because the 50 million trees a year private industry currently plants is almost entirely replanting, replacing trees which they’ve already cut down. In other words, that’s just planting to stand still. Worse, the required replanting rate is going to soar over the next decade, as the forests that were planted in the 1990’s are harvested. If private industry wants to avoid deforesting land (and paying the carbon costs for doing so), it will probably end up planting that billion trees itself.”
Computer says no
Computer says you can’t backtrack by repeating what you originally announced.
Don’t worry i’m sure there’ll be lots more back tracking to come 🙂
“More”? I suppose that 1, if it eventually occurs, is “more” than 0.
Based on this case, it seems that your comment is interchangable with “Don’t worry I’m sure there will be lots more consistent policy commitments being reiterated and achieved by the government”.
LOL
Smart thinking by live NZs with Heart, Kindness and Practicality. Three attributes that will take us in the right direction to some happiness and security of conditions.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/98817463/wellington-op-shop-helping-divert-landfill-waste-with-firstofitskind-sewing-initiative
Excellent grassroots, bottom up initiative and with ten thousand of these, or more, say one in every town and every city suburb, we will have the basis of a living country we can all be proud of. What about a series of articles put out on government media, and under the heading of Growth in Micro-business, and added to each time an authenticated, well-run, near target, or not for profit business is ready to be exhibited to encourage the others? We need a pragmatic but not capitalistic manager with flexibility to lead this. And don’t have it anywhere near Stuart Nash Minister of Small Business.
That is totally awesome, thanks for sharing. I like your ideas Grey.
NZ WHISTLE-BLOWER UPDATE!
(Thursday 23 November 2017)
DIRECT ACTION WORKS!
‘Pocket’ occupation on Old Mill Rd traffic island, Westmere, Auckland stops the Auckland Transport juggernaut in its tracks…
https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/99019915/Auckland-Transport-faces-rising-backlash-as-shop-owners-across-super-city-say-it-is-destroying-their-businesses
”Auckland Transport faces rising backlash as shop owners across super city say it is destroying their businesses | Stuff.co.nz”
Who will benefit if small local businesses wither and die?
The multi-national malls?
Overseas investor$ and property developer$?
Follow the dollar ….
#ThinkForYourself
#StopKillingLocalBusinesses
#NoParkingNoStoppingNoShopping
#CyclewaysSavingThePlanetByDestroyingLocalCommunities
#WellDoneLisaPrager
#BringingLocalBackIntoAucklandLocalGovernment
“Two police officers have been found not guilty of kidnapping a 17-year-old boy to end a young love affair.”
A wise and fair decision.
that’s… surprising.
I guess in this day and age you can still be run out of town by the sherriff…
She was underage but then he was only 17 so its certainly one way to try to end it…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/99121504/jury-finds-police-officers-not-guilty-of-kidnapping-a-teenager
Yeah, but it’s not up to the cops to do that. Especially if they’re doing it because they know the family.
I’m glad they didn’t get convicted. Losing their jobs/careers seems enough. Fine balance though and I’d love to know what the tikanga argument was.
Not so sure. The trauma this young man suffered is real. For being in love in a consenting relationship? It smacks of major retro patriarchy to me.
The couple are still together… these guys abused their positions as police officers ( so will lose their jobs?)? And only 1 family supported the actions?
Really? From a legal perspective I am surprised. Thought they had mitigation arguments for sentencing but cannot see how they are not guilty of charges?
seems they gave the jury an out by saying he knew it was just a pretend arrest.
Well I decided to change the water pump in my truck well had to the fan belts were squeaking that means the bearing are gone there was movement in the pump. I rang around and found the cheapest pump in Rotorua but when I went pick it up the price had gone up buy $60 so I brought it I tried to get the original price but the boy just would not budge he gave me a cheap price to get me into the shop and change the price this shop is across the road from Repco I’m not going there again Ka pai. Now you iwi with vehicles that’s has a 21st well you must change the oil every six months because the oil is like the blood of the motor even if the oil is full if you do not charge the oil the oil gets thick as sludge and makes your car use more fuel and over heat and the gaskets will dry out and leak oil should only cost $50 for a petrol car for oil and filter and use you tube to show you how to change the oil on the make of your car type in make and year and how to change oil and you are away it’s good you got YouTube I had to learn by trial and error blew up 2 cars before I figure that out you will save $50 on your fuel bill in one month. lol Ka pai
PS Google how to change air filter to but you just have to give this a bang and vacuum the dust out of it if you can not afford a new air filter and that will save you fuel and money Ka Pai
If you wash your car with washing soap powder you will get it clean and it will shine to Ka pai
You are such a good buzz Eco 🙂
Supreme Court rules….http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/344548/pike-river-prosecution-withdrawal-unlawful-supreme-court
“…the payment was in exchange for the withdrawal of the prosecution and was unlawful.”
We all knew that…but makes my day to hear the Supreme Court agrees.
Well done.
+100
Bring it.
Yes. It seems as though big business can avoid prosecution by being Big. Erebus Inquiry anyone? Winebox enquiry?
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/anna-elizabeth-osborne-and-sonya-lynne-rockhouse-v-worksafe-new-zealand/@@images/fileDecision?r=661.823221568
Enjoy!
The one thing I really disagree with in this is that if it was unlawful he should still face the charges.
Like to be a fly on the wall at the upper level’s of both WorkSafe, and Whittal’s insurance company right now.
And why should parties who engage in illegal and /or corrupt practices to avoid prosecution not be held accountable for both the corrupt / illegal practice and the original unlawful activity?
Is it perverting the course of justice? Interesting question…
Who is the ultimate boss of WorkSafe. That may be the real question.
Wouldn’t the buck stop with Michael Woodhouse? As he was the minister in charge.
On what basis?
On the basis that the suppression of the charges was illegally purchased, therefore shouldn’t count.
Although that opens up a further can of worms about “charges dropped – 5 years later SURPRISE! They’re back on!”
It would be poetic that anyone complicit in such a deal should face sentencing according to the likely sentences of the original charges, had they obtained a conviction.
edit: although being on the same side as James does give me pause for thought, lol
I am confused. James is saying this should not result in charges being relaid?
oh – damn, I read it that he was saying charges should be relaid.
Yeah, he wrote it down in a very confusing manner.
There was a near double negative in there
Indeed I did.
What I was saying is that one only bit I disagreed with is the point that charges are not going to be laid.
If there are charges to be faced – he should indeed face them.
He won’t, James, and I actually thought that was what you mean’t…but I too was guilty of assuming you’d commented to piss on the parade.
Sincere apologies.
“It is accepted by them that orders to set aside the
decision to offer no evidence and to require the prosecution to proceed is no longer an
available option with the passage of time”
Translation: an insurance company can buy you out of a worksafe charge, appeal it through the entire court system, and by the time the transaction is overruled you get away with it.
Considering that does seem to be what happened then charges of corruption need to be laid.
Unfortunately, we probably don’t have such charges. The lack of such charges seems to be based on the but we’re the least corrupt country in the world argument.
Agree
Justice still for sale…
The company let Whittal take the fall in return for the insurance payout and then he woukd never have to defend himself which woukd probably impact a Board member or more?
I think he should. The charges were dropped on the understanding that >$3 million dollars was going to be paid to the families. Immediately after the charges were dropped the company would up and no payment was made.
And that >$3 million plus interest should now come directly out of his pocket.
I thought the payment from whitall was covered by insurance, the company skipped payment of the fine by folding up
Yeah, it was. I quickly read in an article this morning that they’d received no payment but that must have been the company that hadn’t paid because it got folded up before hand.
Are you actually claiming that no payment was ever made?
If that is what you mean do you have any evidence for that claim?
It wasn’t the mine owners who were supposed to be paying, and who were the company that was wound up.
It was their Insurance company.
” Immediately after the charges were dropped the company would up and no payment was made.”
Not quite, DTB.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/9553523/Payout-to-Pike-River-families-under-way
The decision makes an interesting read. Examining the machinations required to make the illegal appear legal is truly fascinating.
I’m not overly impressed that… “Further legal advice was then taken from in-house counsel, as well from Mr Stanaway and Crown Law, although privilege in the advice was not waived and details are not before the Court.”
You’d think that under the circumstances, some pressure would be brought to bear to waive such privilege…..
Another report says in exchange for suppressing a prosecution!
Deutsche Weller documentary on how Kiribati is quickly dying as a nation through sea level rise::
http://www.dw.com/en/top-stories/documentary-report/s-32861
It’s pretty dark.
they are the refugees we should be preparing for , but most likely we’ll wait till at least one island gets wiped clean in a storm first
Silly question but is the sea level rising or the land sinking? The Marlborough Sounds as sunken valleys are very slowly sinking further.
The Marlborough Wairau plain sank a metre in the 1848 earthquake allowing vessels to ply the Opawa river to the site where Blenheim now stands. So both land movement and sea level change is possible, up or down. I understand that northern Europe is rising in reaction to the Ice Age being no more in a phenomenon called glacial rebound. ( Not that I’m trying to deny climate change).
Kiribati is a coral based island group I think and susceptible to undersea erosion. But still it doesn’t really matter to the people, as wet feet are very real and the future is grim. Considering the relatively tiny population it should be possible to rehouse in places like NZ.
ya think?…Christchurch cant manage to rehouse a few 10s of people in Southshore post quake…how will we deal with the likes of South Dunedin (i.e)?….the public and political will is not there….”Im alright Jack” exemplified
p.s on rereading i realise i have misinterpreted your post but will keep the post as the question is still valid