This is new (or 1930s old if you want to look at it that way) for Dunedin:
“There have been many reports of people asking strangers for money – and people begging on the footpath – in recent weeks. Rising living costs and displacement in the wake of the Canterbury earthquakes have been linked to the sometimes shocking and all-too-obvious signs of personal struggle.”
I’ve been asked for change at bus-stops a couple of times recently, and there’s always been the limited talent “buskers” (the kind you wouldn’t stop and listen to). The weather is fine this week, but it’s really not a town in which you want to be homeless during winter.
yeah happened to me on friday, a couple teens, i was with my 6 year old & they were quite in our faces. not good. but i guess with 20% (at least) of under 25s unemployed, this is what we should expect..
Afaik, everyone in NZ without cash assets, who doesn’t have enough money for groceries in a week, is entitled to financial support from WINZ. What does it say about us that people find it easier to beg from strangers on the street than strangers in the WINZ office?
Yeah that’s right phil, putting me down is the important thing here. But let me fix it, seeing as how logic isn’t your strong point and you would obviously rather point score and make it personal than further the conversation in a meaningful way.
NZ residents who pass an income and asset test are entitled to Special Needs Grants from WINZ. I’m sure that you can find fault with that statement if you try.
if you happen to be on some kind of stand down & maybe facing other penalties or run out of your ‘special needs’ grants its possible you wont get anything. some of these beggers might even have some work, minimum hours on minimum wage, its possible for these young ppl to have to beg so they can get some spare cash.
True, but most of those things aren’t in statute I think, they’re gate keeping at the office, hence my point about it being easier to beg from strangers on the street than it is to approach the govt agency responsible for looking after people who are really struggling.
… so your point was that it’s easier to beg from strangers on the street than it is from WINZ? (just to clarify). I’d go along with that from those beggars I’ve had conversations with around Wellington.
btw ….. sometimes I think you (and others), and PU should really kiss and make up. Holier than thou … and all that kaka.
Maybe we need a Nosher Powel to mediate (“Give him back his fuckn cuntry”)
Four shops a year from emergency WINZ grants – that’s if you are VERY Lucky.
And going to the foodbanks – you’re only allowed a couple of these a year. So if you run out of food and funds at other times in the year ……. you’ve just run out of luck and food !!
I would say the biggers with very few exceptions are obtaining a tax payer funded benefit as well. I observed a beggar on Friday for about thirty minutes. He got a. Few coins in the time I was watching. Certainly did not seem starved. Then he started a conversation on his smart phone. After that he went over and had a chat to a couple of other beggers about twenty metres away, had a smoke and then went back to his position.
There were reports that the beggers do quite well thank you very much.
It was an observation, not an in depth investigation. I never have and never would walk an inch in their shoes. These people have no self respect, and are not prepared to do what is necessary to improve their lives. Beginning with making intelligent life decisions. There is no excuse for their begging.they intimidate people.
I don’t personally find beggers intimidating, except in the sense of empathising with their plight. Generally I find I can spare a few coins for the downtrodden. If you do in fact ignore these people how can you be so certain of your generalisations about them (eg; “These people have no self respect, and are not prepared to do what is necessary to improve their lives”)? Street-collecting, protesting, or busking can be dispiriting enough; I don’t want to ever find out just how grinding the begging process is.
From the ODT article above:
“The Dunedin City Council has no bylaws addressing begging. A spokeswoman said the council had received no complaints about it.
In some centres, Work and Income has staff specifically assigned to deal with the homeless and very poor, but not in Dunedin.”
Sukie Damson
That was a plum one you landed TS with on that there link!
I had a close look at it and it is a send-up, a satire. And sounds as if it might be from some UK union or left-wing students mag (from when students usually had a left wing lean.)
What do YOU think?
We’ve whipped up our ignorant readers into a bigoted frenzy of hatred. Here’s the kind of hand outs they’d like to see dished out to the money grubbing …
Cut his cock off and make him eat it..said disabled war veteran Joe …82, of Leeds.
etc
Have your neighbours got a nicer house than you? Do they appear to be better off than you are? Or perhaps their garden is a mess, or their kids have got snotty noses. Ring us today….and tell us about your nightmare neighbours. Perhaps we can arrange for a lynching……
Looks just like a typical WhaleSpew/Kiwibog thread. BTW, I hate how Farrar has misappropriated our national bird, our symbol, the name of our league team, and part of our identity for his hate site.
Monty, if I may be so bold, What things you must see from your lofty tower. You must feel so disappointed, so aggrieved, so challenged by the audacity of it all that these beggars have the indecency to stain your eyes with their meagre presence. You don’t ask for much. All you want is to pass along the street your taxes built and not be harangued by society’s flotsam. They are of course the only ones responsible for their circumstances and deserve every pointy stick of shame they get. Not only for being worthless street scum, but for their subsequent lack of a real contribution to what is obviously your society. They should, quite simply, not be tolerated by decent hard working penguins who only want to be exposed to osh-approved representations of society as dictated by the latest fearfacts poll . (I could go on but it would just get kind of mean and I think the sarcasm would be tedious after the first thirty odd pages)
Absolutely there are scammers out there on the street. Lots of them. Devious sods each and every one. Dedicated, they chip away at it day after day. Working hard to grift your coin from your wallet. Most of them wear suits by the way. Dispersed between the suits you will see other people, the ones you belittled so confidently. I feel I should enquire as to your validation for doing so. Have you ever spoken to the person you are accusing of failure? Have you ever asked a question of them? I imagine you are more likely one of those whom bark life directives as you pass by, choking on the guilt a bit as you cast the soiled coins from your pocket.
Do you know of any of these people’s achievements for example?
There are many proud histories that sit dishevelled on street corners around New Zealand. Just because many of these fellow humans are garbed in the broken shells of what they could have been, that is no reason to spew your ignorance upon them.
I doubt you could honestly fathom the daily challenges many beggars have faced. Battling with their mental state, dumped into the machinery of hot potato bureaucracy and some of the lucky ones even survive their personal traumas of violence and sexual assault. Monty, for someone who has such obvious trouble accepting the existence of others’ difficulties, I am unconvinced your limpet-celled cerebellum could process the pressured choices that eventually led many of these people to reach out a hand in submission.
Now, to stand in judgement on strangers for a full half hour and come to such a clear conclusion that you state “There is no excuse for their begging” means you are either an omniscient form of idiot-savant who has a razor keen understanding of humanity (and live in rarefied air), or you are just an idiot.
Male or female, straight, gay, trans, black, white or brown, able bodied or not; capitalism considers over 95% of the human race disposable and replaceable in exploitation for profits.
the technology will do nothing for humanity.
Science and technology today serves human ambitions, aspirations and greed, all of which are now capitalist in nature.
You should move to Brazil, Monty. Most of the middle class think like you, and there are even more beggars to hate. You can even run them over and get away with it, or set fire to them. That teaches them not to be intimidating to good citizens.
Program by Philippa Tolley on whether the NZ Public Services democratic role is being undermined this morning very good!
…..very articulate experienced well educated professional speakers on the problems facing New Zealand’s public Service eg Foreign Affairs man Mr Leak?, Matthew Palmer? ( legal), Brenda Pilot (PSA).
….and Labour Party’s Maryan Street, Spokesperson for State Services …. also very competent …..talking about the problems facing Public Servants….
…..as a former Public Servant my heart goes out to Public Servants under a NACT Government …it must be hell!
…. problems of giving free and frank advice on what is best for New Zealand versus what the government wants to hear
….problems of working under the threat of being made redundant
…problems of having to carry on after your mates have been made redundant illegitimately
…problems of working under a huge workload ( remember Cave Creek….this happened after redundancies on the West Coast and impossible work loads carried by DOC staff)
I don’t agree that the running down of the public service under National is a beltway issue. It just needs to be framed in terms relevant to people’s lives – hospital waiting lists, class sizes, the amount of time it takes government departments to respond or deal with issues,
There is the possibility, depending upon what occurs in the next month, of an interesting story developing surrounding ”just how” this current Government is managing those hospital waiting lists…
Beltway…it means the political scene in Wellington. People in the beltway are in the Know. Apparently. It often gets used disparagingly here to refer to people who aren’t in touch with the rest of NZ.
public servants are everywhere…not just in Wellington….and their health and well-being is a litmus test for democracy…they are servants of the public…the people of NZ …. and our taxpayer dollar
….when they start to sqwark down the tunnels and kark it in the mines you know your democracy is in trouble
Like you Chooky, as a former PS (both in the pre-corporatisation, AND post-corporatisation eras), I feel for them.
’87 – we were promised
…. greater accountability
…… de-politicisation
……. fishinsy n fektivness
……….. and a whole lot of other BS.
In fact exactly the opposite has occured AND at greater expense if you take into account the salary largesse of ‘CEO’s’ (ffs!!!!! CEO’s in the Public Service – an anomaly in and of itself), and their ‘Senior Management’.
Actually, the result has been highly politicised little feifdoms, open to manipulation and scams, and an environment where actual public servants work IN SPITE of their ‘entitled’ management, rather than BECAUSE of them. Ask any at the coal face what they think of their so-called management – I dare ya!!
Be it Internal Affairs
Be it Defence,
Be it Te Puni Kokiri (present Hippolite excepted thus far, but we’ll wait and see)
Be it WINZ
Be it …. (name your poison)
I bothers me that ‘progressives’ (including the current Labour Party leadership claiming progressive credentials) can’t see the bleeding obvious
….this will be a big issue for Wellingtonians especially .
…and I might add ….a country is only as good as its high quality , independent Public Servants, committed to serving that country….so it is a very important political issue
I have to say Mayan Street spoke well on the issue
i got six paragraphs into today’s Herald column by Matt McCarten and found i had far far better activities to occupy my Sunday morning with than allowing Matt’s views to ruin yet another day,
According to Matt, the Alfred E. Nuemann of television reporting Patrick Gower is a ”frighteningly good journalist”,
i can only surmise that Matt considers Himself in with a chance, along with Bryce and Kerre of getting the nod to fill John Armstrong’s position at the Herald when the latter falls asleep at His computer for the final time…
Matt seems to be doing a job interview for his paymasters…..looky here see how I can spin it with the best, wondered about him in an election year at pravda, wonder no more.
Also no surprise that cammy is being positioned as some type of hard done by family man and crusader of worthy causes with bradbury thrown in for granny styled ‘balance’.
with shonkey aligning himself with the slater its nicely framed for WO to become every bit as ‘credible’ as granny with the payback for cammy probably escalated site hits and perhaps similar taxpayer gigs like farrars curia enjoys.
Yeah true, i suppose if McCarten is taking the Massah Bosses coin then He is beholden to write what will keep the Massah Boss passing over that 30 pieces of silver…
So another poll is coming out tonight. The rumours are that it is bad news for the left and good news for the right. I suspect it will have a bit of a slump for the greens and Labour with National who have run a tight ship this. Year possibly able to rule alone, or maybe with the help of act and Dunne.
Som what will a bad result mean for the left? Has Cunliffe finished the honeymoon only after six months, while John Key’s honeymoon continues six years into the Job.
If the poll results are bad will labour be capable of taking a hard look at their policy platform and realise that
A. The population generally do understand that National is doing a good job and the gains are not to be risked by a lurch to the left such as a green labour government would deliver
B. The left policies of more welfare in one form or another are not capturing the imagination of the public.
C. More taxes are not going to win any election. The promise of increased taxes has failed the last two elections, why do labour think it will work a third time. Isn’t it time the left dropped their hatred of success?
Hmmm Monty is pontificating on something and assuming the worst for Labour and then offering the benefit of his sage advice. What happens Monty if the poll shows increased support? I hear the internal polling is sound.
+1
Aus has a very large tax regime with the top personal rate nearly 50%, CGT, FBT, GST, Superannuation tax and thats before we look at state taxes like stamp duty those are federal taxes.
Those roads, schools, hospitals etc are paid for with taxes, rwnjs appear to be wilfully ignorant on the massive borrowing the nact perform to stop serious cracks appearing everywhere while they are in power.
if we pulled the tablecloths of cafe nacts tables now, you would see books, bricks, bodies propping up the legs theyve sawn off.
There has been a lot of bleating from the right about the living wage and they have very helpfully supplied figures to bolster their argument as to how much WFF will go down. Mostly in the billions.
So if we can get the bottom end wages up, with a knock on effect up the scale through to the median ( and hopefully decrease the profit amounts going off shore) then we will have plenty more to spend on community needs. Bit like ditching the holiday highway and spending money on a few passing lanes and public transport.
Isn’t it time the left dropped their hatred of success?
The polls show that National is winning because it’s getting votes from the old – the same people who lived it up riotously on the generous postwar welfare state and who want to deny the same to the under 40s.
It really doesn’t have anything to do with what you say other than that the boomers are a worthless load of spongers.
Deficit = 1.79 billion dollars, now that’s what i call book balancing,
Gross Government Debt = 80+ billion dollars, when it hits 100 billion bucks the automatic invitation for the IMF to move in and loot the place on behalf of the creditors becomes active???,
Business Tax Evasion/Avoidance $179 million dollars in six months, s’pose Bill can always plug the hole with the loot from asset sales in the name of surplus at any cost,
The RockBottom Economy brought to you by Nationals stunning economic mismanagement circa 2008–2014…
I have always though that this election will be close. But recent polls have given the green labour bloc extreme cause for concern, with good reason given the nightmare of the past couple of weeks for the left to think the trend would have changed.
The labour and green policies to date have had no impact and have been easily dissected by us on the right ( with much joy I might add)
Nothing the green labour bloc has done has managed to impact on the ongoing strong and unprecedented support national continues to enjoy.
at this rate Winston will not be of benefit to the green labour bloc in forming a government. Besides I doubt he will go with David and Russel for the simple reason that his ego will not want him to play third fiddle.
I wonder if the recent grumpiness of labour MPs is related to on going poor polling.
Voters will vote for some more redistribution. There is widespread concern at persistent inequality. But they will not vote for policies that make New Zealand poorer.
As an example – The recent solar panel policy is such an example. It uses the Government (and its ability to tax and borrow) to promote an expensive generation mode over existing cheaper ones. It dishonestly portrays solar as cheaper by claiming that the interest subsidy is not really a subsidy, and by downplaying the ownership risks. If someone had a spare $15,000 and they did want to spend that on energy efficiency they would be well advised to spend it on top notch insulation, double glazing, installing a reverse cycle air hot water system and an efficient gas central heating system or a heat pump. These are proven technologies that also will add to capital value.
There is concern at inequality of opportunity. I am not at all convinced there is huge amounts at the level of concern around inequality of outcome.
The outcome is dependant upon so many factors such as ambition, priorities, life decisions, risks taken and outcome of those risks.
labour and the greens keep harping on about needing equality of outcomes. That is effectively socialism and means those who work hard, invest, make good decisions are penalised and their money taken to redistribute to those who make poor life decisions, don’t necessarily have the skills to make money.
Only if you measure the entire value of a human being by how many “skills to make money” they have Monty.
labour and the greens keep harping on about needing equality of outcomes.
Except nobody does. No-one is arguing for equality of outcomes. What we are pointing out is that in a world where just 85 people now control more wealth than the poorest 3.5 BILLION people on the planet – that there is plenty of room to reduce this gross extreme of wealth and poverty.
“labour and the greens keep harping on about needing equality of outcomes. That is effectively socialism and means those who work hard, invest, make good decisions are penalised and their money taken to redistribute to those who make poor life decisions, don’t necessarily have the skills to make money.”
Whilst I have no objection to taxing hard work only lightly, much of the higher incomes that we see are coming from economic rent and ticket clipping, and this should be providing the lion’s share of the tax take.
Sometimes. Though their income comes from the ownership of assets which contribute to the productive process, and they stand to lose their investment if the enterprise fails.
I was thinking more of interest recipients, who contribute nothing to the productive process, landlords, in respect of land, and administrators who are often grossly overpaid for what they actually contribute
Though their income comes from the ownership of assets which contribute to the productive process,
But they themselves don’t.
I was thinking more of interest recipients, who contribute nothing to the productive process,
Interest recipients are just indirect shareholders.
and administrators who are often grossly overpaid for what they actually contribute
Within a business administrators are an expense on the workers and so the workers should have a say how much that they’re paid.
Landlords should be administrators hired by the government on a fixed income to administer state rental properties. There should be no private rentals.
“Interest recipients are just indirect shareholders.”
Shareholders own assets – machines, tools, etc – which contribute to production, and which get used up through depreciation. Interest recipients hold promissory notes, or something similar, which contribute nothing.
“Within a business administrators are an expense on the workers and so the workers should have a say how much that they’re paid.’
They should be paid a fair price for the service they provide.
Shareholders own assets – machines, tools, etc – which contribute to production, and which get used up through depreciation.
Don’t kid yourself. The shareholders only “own” that hardware through legal fictions.
In the most common reality, the banks effectively own all that stuff. You can see this when a factory folds: the banks get all the money from the fire sale of those items, and the employees and shareholders get nothing.
Shareholders own assets – machines, tools, etc – which contribute to production, and which get used up through depreciation. Interest recipients hold promissory notes, or something similar, which contribute nothing.
Ownership of a machine doesn’t contribute to production.
They should be paid a fair price for the service they provide.
I didn’t say that they shouldn’t. It was more a statement that they shouldn’t set their wages.
Or even better you put up the panels, for the joy of shafting the power companies, and then with the reduction in the monthly bills, do all those other things so that the house is a net supplier. Maybe one would be allowed to donate the power to certain community facilites like schools or hospitals or towards the bill of an older or younger relative.
The recent solar panel policy is such an example. It uses the Government (and its ability to tax and borrow) to promote an expensive generation mode over existing cheaper ones. It dishonestly portrays solar as cheaper by claiming that the interest subsidy is not really a subsidy, and by downplaying the ownership risks.
When governments first started building sealed highways they were effectively subsidising a dearer mode of transport (cars) over an existing cheaper and more reliable one (horses).
SSLands i can nearly hear you sobbing from here at the Green Party having the temerity to cut out the profit making trading banks from the solar power equation, there is no ”interest subsidy” as you latest lie attempts to infer,
Those taking up the offer will be able to borrow up to $15,000 off of the Government and pay the same amount of interest the Government is charged to borrow the money on behalf of those borrowing to install solar,
You will probably be depressed to the point of self harm once the first low income families are housed under the Green Parties home ownership initiative where it will be up to the home owners how much of the mortgage they pay down on these Government housing loans which again cut out the profit making trading banks…
As an after-thought to your latest of whines formulated upon lies SSLands, you have to remember that the Government will be buying any spare generation off of those who choose to cleverly take up the Green Party initiative which lends the money to those wishing to install a solar energy system,
i should imagine that such solar producers will be given preference over the major generators when selling power to the Government wholesaler Labour/Green intend to install between the current generators and current retailers,
i would further imagine that the Government wholesaler will purchase that solar generation from the household generators at the fair price paid to the large generators which they will then on-sell to the retailers,
Obviously a single desk wholesale buyer of electricity generation will be able to use market forces to squeeze the margins and make a small profit so how you think the Government will lose money on the solar power start-up transaction is in fact beyond me…
It dishonestly portrays solar as cheaper by claiming that the interest subsidy is not really a subsidy, and by downplaying the ownership risks.
The lower interest isn’t a subsidy and there are very few, if any, downside risks. It will also make many NZers richer. The only ones that will get poorer will be the ones who bought our assets, against our will, with a look to get free money.
I have just read on Kiwiblog that Richard Prebble is returning to ACT to run their election campaign. On reading this my personal opinion is that the election is now sown up barring any major scandals.
This “in bed with the bloggers” article is thought provoking imo. Isn’t it interesting watching the meme develop that you have to be a ‘personality’ to be a blogger with impact or influence. I’m not against personalities but surely it is the ideas – oh sorry how naive of me.
I have to say that I am still struggling to get my head around the recent news that the prime minister rings slater up and chats – and the killer is, that is only if the lying dirty wanker is telling the truth – and he hardly ever does that! Dirty, dirty fight, dirty tactics, fight to win. Wake (further) up lefties the skirmishing is here.
Our PM is a well advised cold calculating banksta representing the hollowmen, time will tell why he did this.
IMO it was to give ‘credibility’ to WO who will become an outlet for the dirt etc that him and lusk etc have as their stock in trade.
you will not hear the end of the brown saga as one example as its all about throw as much shit as you can so more sticks to the ‘left’, its obvious with the nact cabal on akl council the scene has been set after sharon stewarts tanty last week which I highly doubt was her own work.
If any bloggers on here live in Sharon’s area might be good to get in touch with her office and suggest she gets on with running Auckland which is what she is paid to do. A bit of Faux concern about how the scandals are hurting the right wing image as icing on the cake.
Clearly a strong attempt to rehabilitate Slater. Which demonstrates exactly how important and central to the right-wing he is.
While I despise him with every fibre of my being – I never underestimated him. Slater is absolutely central to their value system and is now a prime channel for promulgating it. Key’s weekly chats with Slater are not an idle amusement in a bored moment; they will be a critical part of Key’s strategy and communications plan.
I do not really think Mr Key is that much in touch with Mr Slater. It was either a distraction ploy, (once Slater is hinted at we stop looking) or a deliberate effort to campaign amongst the Whale oil commentators. “I say chaps, John Key is one of us you know, so we should jolly well vote for him don’t you think?”
The context in which Mr Key hinted that Mr Slater was a confidante seemed to me that it was so unlikely that he was, and more likely that it was a slip-up being covered-up. It is true that Mr Key has not contacted me once this year even though I am freely available to offer considered opinions to him.
Sad really that only people who have conversations with Mr Key should offer opinions about his behaviours. The rest of you must remain silent!
Are you suggesting that Leaders should not “visit” those who likely would vote for them weka? Anyway, I just doubt the legitimacy of the belief in Key/Slater rapport.
Key isn’t talking to Slater weekly because he wants him to vote for National. I think leaders can visit whoever they like. But they will come under scrutiny if they lack judgement in who they visit. And let’s not forget the context of this particular contact between PM and constituent.
Lol, Pete George is on to that Herald article too and mentions you, and karol, and mickey savage, and zetetic……………..aww still thinking of you all. Ain’t that just the sweetest thing…………..
Auspylands
Serial lies again
Reverse cycle water heaters are dearer to run than a standard electric water heater because of the set up costs then a limited life span of the mechanism of 10 years.
Gas heating is also dearer.
Double glazing is only guaranteed for ten years needing expensive reglazing.
Insulation is a good idea.
But as usual National first changed govt funded retrofiting insulation so only wealthy people could afford it Now they have scraped it .
Donkeyotay would we well advised to steer clear of slater and his crew. They are on the road to being charged with fomenting civil disorder. They think they can get away with anything they like but the moment they step over the mark they will feel the full force of the law.
Hmm, having some technical difficulties, so I can’t amend my post… anyway, to add, the moron – some personoid, creature, whatever called Jonathan Milne – writing the piece thinks that the ability to attract advertising revenue is a measure of someone’s worth. He/it gives away a lot in that short statement.
That’s The Herald!
I’ve been watching House of Cards – the American remake with Kevin Spacey lately, and there’s a paper called “The Washington Herald”. Always, the camera frames it as “The Was”. That’s old media.
State of the country’s education
Not exactly a ringing endorsement from a former employer of his staff?
“When I was at Auckland Grammar, people would often say what a wonderful institution I was in charge of,” Morris says. “But there is no point having a nice building if you have lousy teachers.”
Of course, he would no doubt believe that when he was in the classroom he was a brilliant teacher. “Oh why couldn’t they all be like me …?
gee..!..that rory-the-green from politicheck…(over on that politcheck-thread..)
..is being very coy about answering my (quite straightforward to my mind) questions about the ideological-tinges/records of those helping him settle the form/function imperatives of this new political watchdog..
..i asked if truth-bender farrar is involved..if the rightwing trout hooten is involved..
..(but then..he did say he was staying away from ‘the fringe’..eh..?
..and libertarian hooten..and farrar…the main architect/peddler of the vile campaigns of lies/hatred against the weakest/poorest of our country..oh..!..since he started kiwiblog..?
..if they aren’t truth-bending fringe..who are..?
..and you know what..?
..i fear my wild guess on this..is correct..
..and if rory happens to be from the right/libertarian-wing of the green party..
..well then..this politicheck thing is a rightwing attack-machine..
phil, is there much point in screaming fire if no-one has actually opened the box of matches ?
I hope they find a way to make politicheck work and this is the line that holds most promise, imho.
In the interests of transparency, all our researchers will have their affiliations listed and their names published on the articles they worked on, much the same as mine.
Not an easy statement to back away from if they do fail to deliver [unbiased] fact checking
Phil,
I am not saying you are wrong,
just looking at the facts.
The site is new, it’s looking for volunteers, there is probably a fair bit of mail for the crew to get through, and as yet there has not been one published “checked fact” for anyone to comment on, let alone the vast conspiracy you seem to be consigning the site to. Have you considered the lack of immediate action in the site getting back to you might actually be a good thing? If they had gotten back to everyone straight away would that have not raised much bigger alarm bells as to how they are resourced?
I have not read the thread you reference, (guessing you mean yesterday’s posting on politicheck?) I saw the politicheck site link, went and looked at the site and now wait for updates on their status so further assessment can occur.
the situation reminds me of reviews based on trailers and not the film itself
often the critics are correct, but every now and then . . . egg on face
don’t let it happen to you is all
I see you are being foul mouthed and rude as usual today. On a related topic, did you see you are (in)famous on Kiwiblog? Although they are too polite to call you a fuckwit.
It is not gambling any more than the stockmarket is. Do you direct that your retirement savings not be invested in stocks? No, didn’t think so. Because presumably you are not a fuckwit.
Ipredict is authorised by the Securities Commission as a futures dealer.
And for your own sake stop being so foul mouthed and rude. It is disgusting.
SSLands, if i am attracting abusive comments on one or other of the Sewers channels it simply means that those who i have given a verbal slapping are too thin skinned and have run off to whine like dogs over there,
And no, i do not feel a need to dirty myself reading such rubbish as the blog you mention so my infamy or otherwise in the sewers network is immaterial,
What is more important given that National/ACT have decided to spend YOUR money, Ha-ha-ha upon brand new white-ware for ME, Ha-ha-ha, is the little question i have for you being my adopted bill payer SSLands, silver or white for the new fridge/freezer YOU are paying for SSLands, Ha-ha-ha…
Your point about my retirement savings is also an amusement SSLands, although you obviously not having a sense of humor never intended this to be thus,
My retirement savings are all on deposit in the Bank of Tane Mahuta SSLands, the Tararua branch of the ”bank” to be exact, lolz, you might be able to see the particular ”branch” below which my deposit lurks from your lounge window, Ha-ha-ha…
Hey fuckwit. That is the same trader you highlighted the other day. Obviously, his order for 2.5K shares on that stock still hasn’t been fulfilled since he is buying for the low price of $0.36. The price for that stock is effectively fixed at ~$0.36 because this large buy order is dominating all other buy orders, as I said would happen. I can’t see why the fuck you think that ipredict tells you anything – the volume traded is so low that one or two traders with a bit of cash to spare can set the price to whatever they want.
As I pointed out to you then, if he was really a rich leftie manipulating the stock, he would have simply used his money to mop up all those shares that are being sold at >$0.36 and push the price of the stock up. You really are a clueless fuck, aren’t you?
Or perhaps that is your buy order and you are trying to suck people into selling at the price to make a tidy profit when Cunliffe because our next PM? You certainly have been pushing ipredict a lot these past few weeks.
Take your keys off the keyboard and go outside and enjoy the summer. Ipredict is subject to manipulation. It also has a right wing bias. This is why lefties can actually do quite well with it.
Kim Dotcom’s hearing to be delayed again. I haven’t got much love for him , but I agree when he says that the delay will save John Key embarrassment during an election campaign.
Hard not to believe that the Minister of Jackets didn’t give a little push for the Court’s decision.
Really? If Dotcom was an going to be an embarrassment I would have thought Key would want him out of the country pronto? If
he is corrupt enough to delay a hearing then surely he is corrupt enough to bring one forward?
That makes no sense at all. If embarrassing details are going to come out at the hearing, Key would want to put it off until after the elections. He wouldn’t want them fresh in the mind of voters while they line up at the polls, and despite the best efforts of NAct’s crack legal team of Collins and Finlayson, a finding against Dotcom is still not guaranteed.
Latest Colmar Brunton is out. It claims National is up 6% to 51%, Labour is unchanged on 34%, Greens are down 5% to 8%, NZ First down 1% to 3%, the conservatives are on 1% as is the Maori Party.
The poll appears to be a rogue. I do not know why National should benefit from Green vote.
And Monty it appears that everything you have been saying today is, with respect, incorrect. How about an apology?
A real little amusement isn’t it MS, the Green Party losing 5% of their vote to the National Party, only in the dreams of the little tory that obviously thrills at making shit up,
Winston’s lot on 3%, the propaganda machine is having to stretch reality past the bounds of credibility with this one,
i was tho amused with the ”art” of those kids at that school in Slippery the PM’s electorate, trust the young to see everything for what it is befor the brainwashing begins to sink in,
The PM’s face being depicted in the kids painting of a mural sitting comfortably framed by a Donkey’s arse fits nicely with my oft stated proposition that Slippery the PM covers over the Large bald spot on His nut with the soft anal hairs plucked from a donkeys arse,
Wonder if the kids named that particular donkey Brucie, great painting, shame the same couldn’t be said about the rush of polls bullshitting us, as they did last election, with the Governing alone crap…
Why would you think Nats have pinched from Greens?
A far more sensible explanation would be that Lab have taken some at the lunatic end with the cash for breeders policy but lost some at the less nutty end to the Nats.
Barnsly Bill, your award for the dull Dunces comment of the day is in the post, the Labour poll % hasn’t moved since the last propaganda release from Colmar/National…
Um think you missed the point.. for arguments sake, the greens lost 5 points to Labour and Labour in turn lost five to the nats…. in terms of labour maybe they gained some votes at the left end of the spectrum but lost some of the more neolib inclined supporters to the nats. Tis possible labour has moved back left and has a leader that appeals to the left wing base now…
Or its just an outlier….
What Barnsley is saying (whether he’s right or not is another issue) is that National while went up and Greens went down, it wasn’t all one group of voters moving from the Greens to National.
Rather, Labour was on 34%. It gained 5% from the Greens due to strong left-wing policy. It then lost 5% to National due to centrist leaving. Therefore National goes up, Greens goes down, Labour stays the same.
Whether that’s right or wrong (it’s probably wrong) is up to debate… but you ended up looking like the dunce for not understanding that.
Poor old Disraeli Gallstone, obviously you believe in Christmas and other fairy tales as well, just like Barnsley Bill obviously does,
Colmar/national always polls National 3-4% above their actual support and the Green Party 3-5% below,
The fact that you and BB the Dunce place any real credence whatsoever in these fairy tales as anything but propaganda and then proceed to embellish that propaganda with a little narrative speculating on this and that proves nothing about the previous comment i made to BB, it simply proves that the pair of you along with the ‘wing-nut’ chorus are happy to indugle in bouts of public masterbation…
“Whether that’s right or wrong (it’s probably wrong)”
That’s what I said to you.
I don’t think this poll is right.
I was just merely commenting on your abysmal skills of reading comprehension. Amazingly, your response is another example of poor reading comprehension.
Disraeli Gallstone, wrong, i fully comprehend the little mathematics game the ‘wing-nuts’ choose to play to explain this particular piece of propaganda,
i just choose to use ignorance to portray my disbelief and it works a treat especially on those ‘wing-nuts’ that choose to pile in to blow their flatulence claiming victory across the pages of the Standard where those same ‘wing-nuts’ have little history of commenting here previously,
You may choose to believe that 10% of the left’s voters have chosen to suddenly engage in an electoral shuffle of their support toward the right, or, you may chose as i do to see these polls as having an element of manufacture within them with an actual intent of swaying softer voters intentions,
Of course if you have the slightest belief in the latter proposition then my belief is that showing any sign of belief in the little ‘wing-nut’ theory of a 10% shift of the left’s vote to the right is to put yourself in the position of a soft voter able to be swayed by the media bullshit, in other words a mere serf to the likes of Patrick Gower etc,
There are enough here who engage in the ‘wailing’ after each successive negative poll for the left to form a large enough ‘chorus of tears’ and i do not propose to become one of them, IF defeat occurs in 2014 i will only concede at the point the vote is counted,
Until then i will happily engage the ‘wing-nuts’ who fly in to spew on a momentary basis with derision which includes the pretense of deliberately misrepresenting the content of any of their particular comments, a little trick i learned from them…
Simple. The policies announced by Labour had pulled support from the greens, to Labour, but has sent labour support to the Nats. Assuming the 6% that National has gained has come from the Greens who lost 5% and claiming that to be the reason for the poll being rogue is a bit rich.
Is it not possible that Green vote at the margin moved to Labour and Labour vote at the margin moved to National rather than Green vote leapfrogging Labour to National?
Denial, now what was Colmar Brunton polling National at prior to the 2011 election, oh that’s right a ‘Govern Alone 50%’,
The desperate from the sewer pour into the Standard to try and convince us of a victory, remember your stupidity after the vote in 2014 which will see National not as governing alone, but, as the biggest opposition party yet under the MMP system…
Right so you are a true believer then, last election colamr/national polled the Tory’s at 50.3% just befor the election, what was the actual result again,
Oh that’s right 47%, please keep dreaming the National governing alone rubbish it will be all the sweeter when National wind up as a very large opposition after the 2014 vote is taken…
Sponge – You raise an interesting and potentially valid point. Whether it was as the MSM portray it (which I question), that Norman more or less went “begging” to Dotcom to not start his Internet Party, or not, it raised the possibility that he did.
In the public eye, even amongst some otherwise loyal Green voters, this could have led to serious disappointment, as the Greens have previously always tried to maintain an image of honesty, openness, transparency and independence.
The same media reports about Winston Peters having visited Dotcom, allegedly 3 times, then Peters reacting angrily, first denying this, and later claiming that Key may have had the GCSB spy on him, that will likely have disappointed some otherwise rather loyal supporters of NZ First and Winston.
I think that whether justified or not, bot suffered some loss of credibility in the public’s perception, hence the support in this poll went down for both parties, and significantly.
The Green’s solar energy policy release may not have impacted on this poll, but even that release was only moderately well received by the media, as it seems.
The MSM are ridiculed by some here, but sadly, most people out there still use them for most of their “humble” and poor quality information uptake, to base decisions on.
Abuse aside, do you not admit that the reason for the flow of votes outlined by several of us makes sense?
It is fricking obvious, surely!
You have gained some votes from fruitcakes but lost some of the middle-ground people.
Swings and roundabouts.
I’ll bet you that even Chris Trotter would agree with me.
It may not be “nice” but the truth sometimes hurts….
The key for the Left remains turning out the bottom 50% of the population to vote.
That means policies and politicians directly engaging with that part of the electorate, while emphasising to the top 50% of voters that not only is it the right thing to do to leave no one behind, but that it is economically crucial for the long term well being of society.
Now now, Felix, BM is just a lovely fellow who simply wants the best for NZ, and his comments here are simply honest and intelligent advisories on how we can all bring about the best for NZ.
He’s certainly not a lying prick shilling for a government of thieves and crooks, simply to lower his tax bill by a few percent and callous as to the tragic effect this will have on the lives of others. /sarc
I hope you remember to keep laughing when National win in October and royally fuck you and all your lefie mates in the arse as well sell this country to our bankster mates and Chinese overlords
But the bottom 50 per cent may be better off with a $ 16 minimum wage, ideally at least a living wage, no GST on essential food and other common use items, perhaps even a universal basic income (also used as a direct tax credit for those that earn above that annual UBI amount), and a more comprehensive housing policy, than something like “Best Start”, which sounds ok, but is just another WFF type benefit, costing much to administer.
With a UBI and radical tax reform, and reducing WINZ to focus only on topping up those that have extra needs due to disability, illness, parenting, accommodation, huge amounts could be saved on bureaucracy.
They may also be better off with some comprehensive state investments (SOEs) in infrastructure projects to build better public transport, value adding production plants for agricultural products, more wind-farms, solar thermal energy generation plants, geothermal projects, with a clear strategy for boosting local manufacturing (tax holidays or reductions as incentives for businesses to set up manufacturing here), with having more comprehensive training and more accessible education, combined with high-calibre research projects to develop niche foodstuffs, to research particular areas in health and environmental areas, and so forth.
People would see this agenda as revolutionary and a game changer, targeted at the long term future of the country, rather than what Labour has presented so far, which is a patchwork of bits here and there, but not changing the system as it is.
The top 50 % (certainly top 25 to 30 %) need to be held to account and do their share to build for the future, and not get away with just planning for secure personal nest-eggs and personal savings plans, while forgetting the country.
A clear difference in policy direction to National and ACT is overdue, all else is just not going to “thrill” people that much now.
Micky, surely your are joking?
The last FOUR polls in recent weeks have ALL showed national gaining and labour/greens declining with National being able to (or almost able to) govern alone.
According to many commenters on this site, the last 6 Years polls are rogue. Surely you aren’t going to fall into this rhetoric as well?
Just to give the Bob above a fair go (I am guessing your lack of patience with him is due to our differring views in the past), it wasn’t me making that comment (although I completely agree with everything the other Bob has stated).
Lots of people think that 51% is the high point of National polling. I suspect not. The margin of error suggests that it could be currently sitting at 54.1%. That figure still seems surprisingly low. The total ineptitude of the Greens and Labour suggest that many of their supporters will not be bothered voting. As the good news keeps coming in week after week we could well be seeing a historic landslide.
The trends Brett Dale are saying that colmar/national have just released another piece of propaganda which has got all the wing-nuts going from simply being heavy breathing porn watchers to being true believers that displays of public masterbation will enable national to govern alone after the vote in 2014…
I think this poll is probably slightly high for national but not by much so National can still govern alone. If NZ first gets in then Labour is quite far from being in government.
Please,please, stop with the funnies will you, my gut has just started processing dinner and the laughter is a definite interference in that process,
National heading for the prize of being the largest opposition since the beginning of MMP, even Slippery the PM couldn’t raise a smile when commenting on the latest piece of propaganda, although it was gut busting to see the PM depicted in a mural as a semi-part of a donkeys arse…
When new immigrants are sucked into believing that “…the Conservative Party is good for Christians, Green Party good for environment, Labour Party good for the poor and National Party good for business” then it’s obviously time for Labour to get off it’s lazy entitled ass, and start shifting that perception through clever social media advertising.
It’s the only way to shift that bitch!
National is only good for BIG business, but sucks for our entrepreneurs. Labour is the party for the workers, and wants to ensure that all workers benefit from any economic upside – National only wants the CEOs to benefit and the people that do the hard work, our everyday workers, to not receive any benefit but to be happy with the crumbs from the table.
The message should be that Labour is not ashamed to say it stands for ensuring that every person who wants to work, can, BUT should be entitled to receive a fair days wage for a fair days pay. Labour needs to be UPFRONT and thunder that it is WRONG and UNCONSCIONABLE for overseas corporations to treat New Zealand workers like COTTON PICKERS!
It’s emotive language for sure, but emotions win elections. Labour and the Greens won’t get anywhere being namby pamby and focusing on Key. KEY is the WRONG area to target. National policies needs to be ignored and Labour needs to start highlighting NOW! Stop banging on about what National has done or not, start banging on NOW!
NOW: Your wages haven’t moved in 5 years, yet the cost of living has gone up. Labour wants to ensure that you can afford to live and have enough to save for the things you want.
NOW: Your power prices are amongst the highest in the OECD. Labour wants you to stop paying so much for power, and have money for the things that matter.
NOW: New Zealand has lost too many workers in the forestry sector thanks to unregulated activities causing death. Labour wants every worker to be safe at work, and not be at risk of dying for the corporate.
NOW: There aren’t enough jobs for everyone who wants one. Labour wants people to have every opportunity to find a job, and if they can’t, help people while they look for work.
NOW: Education has become too expensive for many people. Labour believes in free education for everyone under 18 and will work to restore the right to free education.
NOW: People aren’t being fairly remunerated for a 40 hour week. Labour believes the corporates have more than enough ability to adequately compensate their employees with a fair wage.
NOW: Labour believes that New Zealanders are being targeted by overseas corporates with no regard for the true cost of living in New Zealand. Labour will work to ensure that New Zealanders are treated on a level playing field with the cost of goods and services.
It is so simple and easy to do. The soundbites are easy, and National have done fine on a “less said the better” policy when it comes to people talking about what they perceive National to be doing.
The left get sucked into believing that they need to counter the lack of concrete substance by National with a marshmallow puffed policy which is WRONG. Labours issue when they release policy is that they release far too much of it, giving their opponents grist for the mill.
Compare and CONTRAST:
National: – New policy. High performing teachers will be paid more and we’ll have special principals overlooking a number of different schools. Yada yada yada, more money but education good! Yay!
Nil critical aspect, nil detail, and just a vague outline of what they propose.
Labour: First time babies, $60 per week, except and unless, first year, second year, third year, $150,000, or not. Parental leave! Look! Details! More more details! Part time income! Working for Families! Entitlement! Everyone! Universal! Oh, no, wrong. Stop talking! Shoosh. Shucks, we flubbed it.
Too much information, too much room for interpretation.
Far better would have been: New policy: First start. All parents with babies will receive assistance and support. Further details released closer to election.
Easy! Simple! Even Paddy Gower wouldn’t have been able to fuck that up.
There are over 4 million reasons wrong with this country, where the CEO of a parasitic organisation can earn nearly 100 times more than the people that do the daily grind in the teller role, and are arguably more valuable to ANZ than the high falutin’ CEO. The tellers are the ones that keep the customers happy at the end of the day.
Labour lose the plot when it comes to articulating their vision for a better New Zealand. It’s almost like they don’t understand the KISS principle. If they did, they might be better off.
Labour needs to articulate the fact that they are the government for the PEOPLE. National are the government for OVERSEAS interests.
Sing it loud, sing it proud. No need to proffer proof. Just keep tying OVERSEAS INTERESTS back to WARNER BROTHERS – RIO TINTO – BANK OF NEW YORK (and it’s 8 million shares in our former SOE)
OVERSEAS INTERESTS = NATIONAL
NEW ZEALANDERS = LABOUR
So what do you want Kiwis? A government for New Zealand, or a Government for Overseas Interests?
Make it the boogy man. Overseas Interests are the new “Reds under the Bed”
I just get so frustrated and annoyed at what should be relatively simple politics and keep watching Labour stumble every time headlong into the catchers mitt that has been placed there so artfully by the likes of Gower et al.
If only Labours media managers would stop insisting on having so much policy released upfront, and stop muzzling Cunliffe or whoever from being so restrained, Labour might actually have a chance to win.
As I outlined above, the framing is right there, it’s NOW.
As we’ve seen in the last two weeks with Progressive Enterprises, the mood is right to capture New Zealanders thinking about OVERSEAS INTERESTS and definitely put the framing square onto LABOUR for NEW ZEALAND and National for OVERSEAS INTERESTS!
Easy framing, right timing.
In politics, Timing is Everything.
The Timing is Now, the framing is ready to roll.
But who the heck is going to listen? I’m just another Labour party member that has no links to the hallowed halls of hell, nor do I have any inclination to get involved with the pit of self absorption that is the local LEC.
If only Labours media managers would stop insisting on having so much policy released upfront, and stop muzzling Cunliffe or whoever from being so restrained, Labour might actually have a chance to win.
Well as I see it that’s exactly what theyre doing. Chinless wonder says what ever he wants and the only policy Labour has is regurgitated Greens policy or 1950s socialist propaganda.
simple effective slogans, used by all, ad nauseum, chimpboy, gooner and co cant twist it and the likes of mallard and goff cant grandstand with it.
I hope some deadwood gets cleared out also but thats unlikely.
Nats got in on a smile and wave with one liners , labour should do similar, the missing voters cant cope with unecessary detail, a change is what they will vote for.
You raise valid points there, and believe in passion being part of politics, and it surely does and must be getting its fair share.
The problem you will have with that approach is, that the MSM (mainstream media) will of course see this, and jump at it straight away, and than claim, it is just about “whipping up emotions”, but without any evidence to prove the arguments. They will take that approach to pieces, and then Labour and Greens will have to come and try and prove their arguments, and we are back to nitty gritty back and fro arguments about details, and hollowing out of what the message is meant to say.
What we have here is a repeat of the last election campaigns, where the MSM are already largely feeding the public with the usual BIASED commentary and information (no background info, no analysis, treating Key and Nats with the soft brush, and Labour and Greens with a knife and hammer), all coming from the supposedly “independent” reporters and “media personalities” (having their personal “views”), and the public hear and read little else.
The public then think, that is how it is, and hence they poll as they do, which reinforces again the conviction of the MSM that they are right with their (idiotic or manipulative) assessments. So you end up in a catch 22 situation, where polls feed and shape perception, and that again shapes commentary and views coming from the MSM, which again brings about the polls like a self fulfilling prophecy.
The challenge is to go beyond the MSM, to go and hold public meetings, run public events and campaigns, aggressively and widely use social media, and to network and meet people face to face. There is no alternative to such damned hard work, and the first thing the Labour MPs in caucus can do, is start on Monday, doing exactly that.
Visit work places, factories, council staff, drain layers, road workers, hospital nurses and doctors, people rebuilding in Christchurch, talk with the exploited foreign workers here, expose this, talk with the taxi drivers working 12 hour days for less than minimum pay per hour, talk with social workers, drug and alcohol counsellors, with stressed out teachers, with ECE workers, with beneficiaries struggling, and so forth it must go!
Clusterfuck Cunliffe is Nationals greatest asset, the only thing saving him is Norman collapsing greens support by sucking up to the fat German fraudster.
If he’s a ‘Naki’ man, then he’s only a thirty-something jerk, probably from Taranaki but not yet a man. It’s talk from the same generation as the ‘hard-core’ bullshit used to sell tee-shirts.
Deconstructing his moniker is a tediously embarrassing business for anybody who’s actually lived an adult-hood in the place.
Of course if Naki man was actually Taranaki man with the emphasis on the Tara from the more oblique usage of that particular word in some tribal dialects i could well believe Him to be that…
the johnkey donkey mural was funnier. i’m trying to get a good screen capture so share the laughs. & the look on keys face when he had to sign its arse, hilarious!
Lolz there are some extremely clever kids in Slippery’s electorate, the mouthful of tea ended up expelled all over the place when i got a look at that…
SSLands, what the hell are you on about now, have not i told you on numerous occassions to stay off the internet when you have been on the bottle all day,
Commenting when your pissed just makes you come across as more ludicrous than normal, i know that for you is probably a badge of honor as you seem incapable of anything but the ludicrous but you should have a small modicum of shame even in your drunken state,
My advice of course is in your best interests as you should cease to turn up for your employment as a minor bean counting serf in your lonely little bean counters cubicle with a raging and patently obvious whisky hangover as despite your thinking otherwise your employment is far from assured into the future with your boss looking to increase profits by cutting out the under-performers,
Is there any truth to the rumor that you consider your employment status to be safe during the upcoming restructuring of the company you are a serf for because as far as the boss is concerned you out of all the slaves gives the best blow-jobs…
I was looking forward to the Roy Morgan poll (a poll that the folks here seem to place a lot of faith in) showing Labour clawing back some ground, but unfortunately it showed gains to the Nats. The lack of discussion on this borad re the RM poll said it all. This latest poll reinforces National’s position, albeit with a different Left distribution. No matter how you slice & dice it, the CB poll is not good news for the Left, and Cunliffe slipping in the preferred PM stakes is a concern also (I can’t recall what Shearer was polling when he was rolled).
IMO Labour are spending too much time attacking the Nats, and not enough time & energy promoting their own policy. Also, with the exception of recent performances from Jones, Labour don’t seem to have any depth to their team. What happened to the energy that Robertson exhibited during the leadership contest? If Cunliffe is struggling in the popularity stakes, his team need to step up, take some of the heat and show some passion, engage in intelligent & positive dialogue with the MSM, and act like a team that is capable of leading NZ.
Ben Hur, faith in the Roy Morgan, you have that slightly wrong, the Roy Morgan is of much more interest to us political junkies as it is produced on a far greater number of occasions than the other media polls and thus makes an interesting watch for ‘the trend’,
Faith though is a measurement of respect in what is clearly a neutral polling organization and i for one have seen none of them recently which includes the Morgan poll in the none of them,
Gary Morgan, son of Roy, and the current named proprietor of the Roy Morgan polling organization is heavily invested in Australian mining interests and if you think that such interests can fit in with a polling company being unbiased i fear for your sanity…
IMO Labour are spending too much time attacking the Nats, and not enough time & energy promoting their own policy.
WRONG. The Nats and their acolytes are doing the attacking. And what’s more the claims are bogus lies and the MSM know it. Still, they let them get away with it. Labour and the Greens are the parties releasing damm good policies. By and large, the MSM are ignoring them – mind bogglingly concentrating on petty issues instead.
The Nats have got their policy out there and understood, so arguably have the time to attack the Left. It will be interesting to see if there is any fallout with Bradbury stating that he talks with Cunliffe, and the fact (and therefore linkage) that Bradbury was in the pay of Dot Com.
Labour policies like turning people on $149k into beneficiaries and Greens policy like subsidised
PV panels that are not cost effective, there is no need to tell lies these clowns are shooting themselves in the foot.
The MSM is corporate dominated, the top media bosses, the editors, the “media personalities”, they are clearly in their vast majority having a personal bias towards maintaining the status quo! And now APN have even bought the majority or total share holding of what was the Radio Network (1ZB and so forth).
Just having listened to the conversations about the Shane Taurima incident or “scandal” at TVNZ, and how that was commented on by many, that sent shivers down my spine. The majority of the private media journalists and moderators try to portray themselves as “independent” and TVNZ and Radio NZ as “left leaning”. And they get away with it. Even Radio NZ disappointed me a bit with their last summary of this on Media Watch:
A shocker to me was the last Focus on Politics program last Friday, and how that started, almost showing National in the best of light to fight poverty and social problems!? Hear it here, if you did not:
I did not hear the whole of Insight this morning, but I think it also tried to be overly “balanced” (careful to not upset the government) to report on how the public service have been treated under this government, and that is on Radio NZ National:
Forget TVNZ, they are now so scared to say or present anything that may just slightly show Labour or Greens in a positive light, being “scared” by the reports of mostly private media persons, that they are “left leaning” and prone to bias. So the MSM is anything but helpful, it will NOT be useful to communicate to the public what matters, they are not going to do their job!
But despite of this, I am still flabber-ghasted why Labour and Greens do not hammer Bennett on welfare issues, of which there are a many, and I know that others (besides myself) have sent some of the MPs a fair bit of very revealing, useful information, which is probably sitting and gathering dust, or has been deleted as too complex email communication.
What they do wrong is going on about the same again and again and again, slogan like, but not expand the line of attack, and not fire with studied information, questions and arguments. Some of them are in my view not capable of doing their jobs, simple fact.
The elephant in the room: why hasn’t David Cunliffe (and Labour) purged the likes of Phil Goff, Annette King and the treacherous Trevor Mallard? Why do these old-timers continue warming the benches and doing nothing sweet fuck all?
Unless a miracle happens New Zealand is looking to another three years of a National-Act government. There is time for a change, but it is running out quickly.
Good point,a lot depends on how the pollsters frame the questions to those prepared to respond, of course if you were planning on having a fiddle with the outcome after the poll had been taken the ‘undecided’ column would be a good place to start…
It is alot, what that means is of the 11% there are plenty of voters not happy with National and are holding out to see what policies come out from Labour. You can count on NZF voters not wanting a National deal done.
The Greens are losing cred by both the Dotcom support and Norman has soiled his previous good work by engaging in a silly tussle with God Botherer Collin Craig. The Greens are better off keeping their head down and remaining silent, coming out when they have sensible things to say. People voted NZF last election because Peters is a one man wrecking ball. Look for Winston to come out boxing and trim National back in popularity. A scandal exposing Key, further slamming the assets sale with the GE sale and the aftermath with price hikes, and the total costs of the ticket clippers from across the ditch.
Once the interest rates start to climb and China clips Nationals wings with a strategic drop in bidding for our milk powder causing the price to slump. China will not be happy with Key and his sucking up to Uncle Sam. The TPPA is heavy weighted in the Yanks favour and we are in China’s part of the globe, we are going to get a sharp reminder of this very soon.
James,
I don’t think anti foreign companies is quite the right way to approach that for a major party. It works better in the hands of Winston and he will just out xenophobe you.
I think instead you can just focus on Big corporations, in particular dodgy advertising but also other practices.
The pitch can be a much stronger and much more aggressive commerce commission. Find some illegal stuff then say you need broarder laws to catch the similar but marginally legal activities.
In the same theme one could go after tax loopholes etc. Maybe use closing them as revenue source in a way that will catch the public’s attention.
In terms of all the normal policies – the 2 key things for labour to win is
1) for it to sell itself as being responsible party of government – So it needs to look fiscally responsible to the public – more so as often as possible than national. (eg push the super issue as a cost).
2) It also needs to distance itself from the Greens and sell the idea that it can control the greens. Because the swing voters fear greens.
Hmm .. am not sure what Labour will really stand for and what next will happen with maintaining the entitlement age for super, given that the new ACT leader is now pushing for the increase.
John Key and National’s dirty work already being done by ACT … and David Parker?
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For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated. However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
“There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan. They demanded a 50% pay rise. A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change.If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nzWhy do people still think climate change isn’t real?David ...
Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives. So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
by Don Franks The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
by The Council of Disobedient Women Massey Wellington Student Association had a sit-in today. Imagine a sit-in. On a campus. Against a women’s rights meeting. Did the ’60s really happen or did we fucking dream it? They gathered in the student square, an echo chamber. Sitting on soft pillows ...
For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention. Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
First, almost a score of Labour MPs seem to have sent a letter to the EU basically begging them to accept a deal - any deal - just so Britain can get the Heck on with Brexiting instead of being trapped in limbo:
by Phil Duncan In 2016 the National-led government suspended the Parent Visa Category, through which migrants were able to bring their parents into New Zealand. Since then over 5,700 people have been in immigration limbo, stuck on the visa wait list. Labour is now bringing back the scheme. Well, sort ...
The following was released yesterday (Tues, October 8) by the women’s liberation organisation Speak Up for Women. On 23 September Speak Up For Women announced that we would be holding an event at the Massey University Theaterette in Wellington. The event is called Feminism 2020. The intention of the event ...
The government is currently consulting on plans to improve freshwater quality. So naturally, farmers oppose it:South Taranaki farmers are preparing to fight proposed national freshwater changes that some fear will bankrupt them. The Government's proposed National Environment Standard on Freshwater Management, released in September, rated the Waingongoro River as one ...
Yesterday was the last day for (reliably) posting your vote away in local body elections. Turnouts are mostly much lower than the equivalent time last year (Palmerston North is down 2.3%), and so naturally people are pushing their online-voting snake oil again. Because the online census worked so well, lets ...
This essay, on the political legacy of the eugenics movement, by Kenan Malik was originally published in the Observer on 6 October 2019, under the headline ‘The spirit of eugenics is still with us, as immigrants know to their cost’. Birth control. Intelligence tests. Town planning. Immigration controls. It’s striking how ...
Another year, and the government has announced another enormous government "surplus". And just like last year, its nothing of the sort. When we have people homeless and sick and hungry, when we have schools and hospitals still falling down, when we have underpaid public servants and infrastucture unmaintained or unbuilt, ...
James Forsyth at The Spectator (I know, I know) has tapped one of his contacts inside Number Ten for an insight into the Johnson administration's thinking and strategy.It is fascinating, unsettling and quite, quite mad. Some key points:Negotiations have stalled and the Johnson administration are keen to blame the EU: ...
Fatal Contact: With the arrival of captain James Cook in October 1769, the islands of what would become New Zealand ceased to be the preserve of Polynesian navigators and settlers and became a part of both the world’s map and the world’s history.THE MAORI NATIONALIST assault upon the historical meaning ...
Another round of tactical talks about forming a Government of National Unity have come to nothing with the Liberal Democrats still refusing countenance putting Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street:Opposition talks on Monday made little headway over when to try and vote down Boris Johnson's government and who might succeed him as ...
by Nick Rogers The debate around the meaning of sex and gender made an appearance at this year’s British Labour Party conference in Brighton. Women’s Place UK – an organisation that questions the demand that biological males who self-identify as woman should have access to women’s spaces, to all-women shortlists, ...
Yesterday I went down to Wellington to participate in the Extinction Rebellion protest. Its part of the latest global wave of XR actions, with actions happening all over the world. Some of those protests are massively disruptive: in Canada, XR is blocking major bridges, stopping people from getting to work. ...
The Workshop is a charitable trust for public good. The Workshop undertake research to find ways of communicating that will build support for the solutions that work to solve complex social and environmental problems. See their Report on Talking about Poverty and Welfare Reform below. ...
What is language? We generally assume that it a facility unique to humans, allowing us to share what’s in and on our minds. We can tell of our plans, our past exploits, our knowledge. It also allows us to lie. And yet there are vast numbers of people we can’t ...
Being and Being Bought (Spinifex Press, 2013) by Kajsa Ekis Ekman A synopsis and commentary of Chapters 1-2 by Daphna Whitmore Ekman, a Swedish journalist and critic, brings together a Marxist and feminist analysis of prostitution and surrogacy in this groundbreaking book She opens the discussion with a definition of ...
I make no claims to having much legal knowledge, so I defer to those trained in this area.I am very much enjoying this twitter stream from m'learned friend in Edinburgh, deciphering the legal arguments around the Scottish court challenge to Boris Johnson, based on the charmingly obscure principle of Nobile ...
Ivory Folly? The University of Auckland’s Vice-Chancellor, Professor Stuart McCutcheon, upheld the right of the radical nationalist group, Action Zealandia to exercise their freedom of speech – not matter how distasteful that speech might be. A wiser community of students and scholars would have nodded their agreement and moved on. ...
If you are not convinced terrorist Organisation ‘Extinction Rebellion’ is very, very dangerous – watch this video at one of their recent meetings. Not only is this obviously mentally ill Woman begging the other terrorists to promote killing and “eating” babies and children, if you watch carefully other members nod ...
The Ombudsman has been surveying people about their knowledge of the OIA and the right to information. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that widespread:The Chief Ombudsman says too many New Zealanders were in the dark over their right to access official information. Peter Boshier said an independent survey released yesterday on ...
In the wake of last Friday's climate strike, Peter McKenzie had an article in The Spinoff about protest strategies. The school strike movement is "polite" and cooperates with those in power because that's its kaupapa - its led by schoolkids who understandably don't want to risk arrest. But there's more ...
So, the latest ruminations on the gnews from Westminster (Again, sorry; I'll stop making that pun right now). This follows on from, and likely repeats bits of, my last post, on the suggestion that a Government of National Unity (GNU) should be set up and then oversee a referendum before ...
New Zealand likes to think of itself as not a racist country (despite being founded on the racist dispossession and subjugation of Maori). But for years, we've had a racist refugee policy, which basicly excludes refugees from Africa and the Middle East unless they already have relatives here. Now, the ...
Several people have asked me whether a particular repeat litigant could be declared a vexatious litigant, in light of their recent decision to appeal an adverse High Court ruling. My nascent tweet thread was getting ridiculously long, so it became this blog post instead.The short answer is: no. The particular ...
Appealing To The Past: Action Zealandia, like so many of the organisations springing up on the far-Right, across what they call the “Anglosphere”, is born out of the profound confusion over what a man is supposed to be in the twenty-first century and, more importantly, what he is supposed to do.THE STATUE OF ...
The attempts of anti-democratic transactivists to (often violently) disrupt women’s rights organising is largely ignored by those sections of the left most prone to misogyny and authoritarianism in New Zealand. In Britain, however, scores of trade union and left activists added their names to a letter in July, defending ...
The Justice Committee has reported back on the Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill. The Bill would establish an independent, quasi-judicial body to investigate and review potential miscarriages of justice, and refer them back to the Court of appeal if required. It would be a vital backstop to our judiciary, help ...
by The Spark On September 14, a total of 22 drones and cruise missiles struck two oil installations in Saudi Arabia, the Abqaiq processing facility and the Khurais oil field. Abqaiq is the largest oil production facility in the world. For a few days afterwards, Saudi Aramco, the Saudi national ...
How much will NeoLiberal irregulation of the building sector and subsequent leaky homes crisis cost us? $47 billion, according to a new book:The total cost to fix all of New Zealand's leaky homes would be $47 billion, probably. The estimate comes from a new book, Rottenomics written by journalist Peter ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters is predicting a hard Brexit for the United Kingdom, as he believes British Prime Minister Boris Johnson won’t be able to negotiate terms before the October 30 deadline. The Minister, who was one of the first to publicly come out and predict British voters would leave ...
Speaking at the Council of Trade Unions' (CTU) biennial conference, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters told unionists that any future attacks on the Government won't work. "Now, we are being attacked by the union movement in this country. You can have your views but I'm here to say standing ...
We want every New Zealander to be happy, safe, and healthy. To do this, we need to support strong, safe communities, and a robust and efficient health system. ...
Defence Minister Ron Mark has used his powers to overrule a noise complaint ruling against Whenuapai airbase on the grounds of "national security". The Environment Court last month released a ruling in favour of a private developer, declaring the Auckland airbase had to comply with noise restrictions when it performs ...
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has opened fire against "unreconstructed morons" after NZ First MP Shane Jones was photographed on holiday holding an AR-15 rifle. Mr Peters is defending Mr Jones, telling Magic Talk host Peter Williams that his MP was just having fun "like most people do". "The ...
New Zealand First Deputy Leader and Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau was in attendance during the morning blessing of the Rotorua Lakefront development project. Around 60 people gathered on the shores of Lake Rotorua, including city mayor Steve Chadwick and deputy Dave Donaldson. The Lakefront development is a ...
Forestry Minister Shane Jones is considering reining in on conversions of farmland to forestry, and also issued a warning to foreign-owned forestry companies that make up nearly 75 per cent of the industry. He said too many foreign companies had not provided enough access for domestic processors to get timber. ...
Speaking to Radio NZ, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters said the tightening of the parental category visa is a direct result of the Party’s coalition negotiations with the Labour Party. He said the new changes switch the financial onus from the parent moving to New Zealand to the child ...
The Coalition Government is set to cut red tape in the building and construction sector in an effort to allow more houses to be built, including prefabricated houses. The changes will enable the mass factory production of "high quality" buildings, slash the likely number of building inspections for factory produced ...
Since coming into Government, we’ve worked hard to tackle homelessness and make sure everyone has a warm, dry home. And today, on World Homeless Day, we want to report back and update you on our progress so far. ...
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has hit back at National Party leader Simon Bridges who criticized the Coalition Government’s approach to crime, and said that the latter isn't credible in his attack on the Government over gang recruitment. "We've got as massive drug problem in this country. It is ...
New Zealand Mānuka honey exporters have welcomed an initiative by the Coalition Government to help secure the term “mānuka honey” to be used exclusively by Kiwi exporters, ensuring that our multimillion-dollar industry is protected. Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones had recently announced that a Provincial Growth Funding of $5.7 ...
Political commentator Mike Hosking has labelled New Zealand First leader Winston Peters as “the voice of reason in a government soft on drugs”, for the Party’s stance on drug testing at music festivals. “If common sense is worth a vote, Winston Peters is quids in,” Mr Hosking said. The Labour ...
Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau has announced Provincial Growth Funding to ensure work opportunities in Turangi and Whanganui, through its skills and employment programme, Te Ara Mahi. A fund of $500,000 will go to Rafting NZ in Turangi for a 16-week river guide training course to train ...
Treasury has shown that the Coalition Government has a $7.5 billion surplus, which is $4 billion higher than what was expected in the 2019 Budget unveiled last May. It is also $2 billion higher than the actual surplus unveiled this time last year, and at a size that has not ...
Official Information Act figures released to NZME show there were 350 assaults on officers in the year to the end of June, 79 more than the year before. The increase in attacks have sparked calls for more legal protection for first responders to be enacted. The assaults included officers being ...
“Nobody wants to see babies uplifted”, this was the pronouncement of Minister for Children Hon. Tracey Martin as her department, Oranga Tamariki, faces multiple inquiries into the number of babies being taken from their families. “But a baby can die with a single punch, “the Minister continued. “So sometimes, Oranga ...
We're making progress on tackling the long-term challenges: from homelessness, to strengthening border security, to bringing banking back New Zealand's small towns. ...
Associate Transport Minister Shane Jones has backed the ambitious plan to move Auckland’s port to Northport, at Whangarei harbour, which he says will be the “King Kong of infrastructure”. The plan is part of the recommendations of a six-person independent working group, which has recommended the Ports of Auckland be ...
A six-member independent working group selected the option of moving Auckland’s port to Northport, in Whangarei, ahead of other options. In what could be New Zealand’s most ambitious infrastructure project yet, a major expansion of the Marsden Point port could happen within 15 years. The project, officially called the “Upper ...
The final Electricity Price Review recommended prohibiting prompt payment discounts but allowing “reasonable” late fees. The findings of this review was welcomed by the Coalition Government, but they hope companies will follow through with its recommendations without regulations needed to be passed. Meridian Energy had already stopped prompt payment discounts, ...
Fletcher Tabuteau, Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)through its skills and employment programme, Te Ara Mahi,will invest nearly $600,000 to ensure work opportunities for locals in Turangia and Whanganui, Parliamentary Under Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. “I’m pleased to announce the PGF ...
An export-led economy is one of New Zealand First’s key principles, and our commitment to achieving this is shown by the continuing skyrocketing demand for our beef and sheep meat exports. Beef + Lamb New Zealand's New Season Outlook 2019-20 report forecasts beef, lamb and mutton prices to lift from ...
Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today in Gisborne an investment of $17.27m into bringing “world-leading” food-growing technology and the creation of more than 100 new jobs in the East Coast city. The funding comes from the Provincial Growth Fund, and included a $15 million loan to LeaderBrand, a ...
Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development More than 100 people in Tairāwhiti’s Tolaga Bay will benefit from two employment initiatives supported by the Provincial Growth Fund, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones and Employment Minister Willie Jackson announced today. “Tolaga Bay is an incredibly tight-knit community, but one in ...
Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is supporting Gisborne business Leaderbrand to produce salad vegetables year round and create more jobs in the Tairāwhiti region, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “Our support for Leaderbrand will help them build large greenhouses ...
“Nobody wants to see babies uplifted”, this was the pronouncement of Minister for Children Hon. Tracey Martin as her department, Oranga Tamariki, faces multiple inquiries into the number of babies being taken from their families. “But a baby can die with a single punch, “the Minister continued. “So sometimes, Oranga ...
Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has praised the promise by New Zealand’s biggest banks not to close any provincial branches while the Coalition Government trials regional banking hubs across the country. The Minister said the announce was the “first sign of hope for regional communities”, many of which have ...
Rt Hon Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader New Zealand First is proud to have delivered an upgrade of the SuperGold Card website and a new smartphone app, which will help unlock the full benefits of the SuperGold Card for 750,000 New Zealand seniors.Party Leader Rt Hon Winston Peters, ...
Delivering a key election campaign promise, New Zealand First is proud to have accomplished a long overdue upgrade of the SuperGold Card today. At an event in Auckland, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters joined Minister for Seniors Hon. Tracey Martin in unveiling the new website and smartphone app which ...
Another busy week, from speaking with world leaders on the world stage about climate change, to equipping our school leavers with everything they need to get ahead in life. ...
At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
Kiwis are benefiting from higher wage growth and low inflation under the Coalition Government. Stats NZ data out today shows the rise in the cost of living remains low, as annual Consumers Price Index (CPI) inflation fell to 1.5% in September from 1.7% in June. “The low inflation comes as ...
New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
Minister of Defence Ron Mark has signed a certificate exempting the activity of engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase from the Resource Management Act 1991. The Act gives the Minister of Defence the power to exempt activities for the purposes of national security. The certificate will mean the recent Environment Court ...
Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced New Zealand will join the Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action while attending APEC meetings in Chile. The objective of the 39 member Coalition is to share information and promote action to tackle climate change. It was formed in April this year, in ...
Ladies and gentlemen, NZCTU President Richard Wagstaff, members of respective unions – thank you for the invitation to speak to you today. This might be preaching to the choir, but the importance of trade unions in New Zealand’s historical arch is difficult to understate. And it is my belief that ...
"Let’s start by acknowledging that it has been a huge year. " Police Association Annual Conference James Cook Grand Chancellor Hotel Wellington Nau mai, haere mai. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, ka nui te mihi, ki a koutou katoa. President of the Police Association, Chris Cahill; Members of the Association and ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark have announced the New Zealand Government’s decision to again deploy a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea. New ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand continues to have serious concerns for peace and stability in north-east Syria. “Recent reports that hundreds of ISIS-affiliated families have fled from a camp are deeply concerning from a humanitarian and security perspective”, Mr Peters says. “While we acknowledge Turkey’s domestic security ...
Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor is warning travelling Kiwis to be vigilant as the high-season for the crop-eating brown marmorated stink bug (BMSB) is under way. “We’re on high alert to stop BMSB arriving in NZ. The high season runs until April 30 and we’ve strengthened our measures to stop stink ...
The Government is moving swiftly to change the law to improve the welfare and pastoral care of students living in university halls of residence and other tertiary hostels. Cabinet has agreed to several changes, including creating a new mandatory Code of Practice that sets out the duty of pastoral care ...
The Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage has launched a new comprehensive trapping guide for community trappers to help them protect our native birds, plants and other wildlife, at Zealandia in Wellington today. ‘A practical guide to trapping’, has been developed by the Department of Conservation (DOC), and was launched during ...
Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter welcomes PHARMAC’s move to improve access to long-acting reversible contraception (LARCs). PHARMAC has today announced it will fund the full cost of Mirena and Jaydess for anyone seeking long term contraception, lifting previous restrictions on access to Mirena. “I welcome women having greater choices ...
The Government has approved the next stage of a major redevelopment of Taranaki Base Hospital, which will deliver new and improved facilities for patients. Health Minister Dr David Clark has announced details of a $300 million dollar project to build a new East Wing at the New Plymouth hospital. It ...
Extra funding will allow Rural Support Trusts to help farming families, says Minister for Rural Communities and Agriculture Damien O’Connor. “I know that rural families are worried about some of the challenges facing them, including the ongoing uncertainty created by the Mycoplasma bovis outbreak. “Those concerns sit alongside ongoing worries ...
Thank you for the opportunity to be here to present certificates to the 16 graduates who have completed a beekeeping course delivered by the Howard League. Let us start by acknowledging Auckland Prison’s Deputy Prison Director Tom Sherlock, and Acting Assistant Regional Commissioner of Corrections Northern Region Scott Walker - ...
Finance Minister Grant Robertson leaves this weekend to attend the APEC Finance Ministers meeting in Santiago, Chile. Discussions between APEC Finance Ministers at the meeting will include the effects of the current global economic uncertainty, risks for APEC economies and sustainable development of the region. While at APEC Grant Robertson ...
The Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio says for Pacific people, language can be a source of strength. It can help ground us and give us confidence. When we speak them, our languages provide us with an immediate and intimate access to our identity and our story - and ...
The Coalition Government has announced an action plan to improve the wellbeing of disabled New Zealanders by addressing inequalities in play, active recreation and sport. The initiative includes training to develop a workforce that understands the needs of children and young people with a range of impairments, advocacy for fit ...
The construction sector is being freed up to allow more homes to be built more quickly as the Government cuts through some of the red tape of the Building Act. “Every New Zealander deserves a warm, dry, safe home and old inefficiencies in the Building Act make building slow and ...
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has welcomed further details on the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall’s visit to New Zealand next month. Their Royal Highnesses will visit New Zealand from 17-23 November – their third joint visit to New Zealand and first in four years. They arrive in Auckland ...
Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth and Minister of Agriculture, Damien O’Connor, heads to Thailand today to attend the final Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) Ministerial meeting, as negotiations enter their final stages. “The RCEP Agreement would anchor New Zealand in a regional agreement that covers 16 countries, ...
Pacific young people living in the Hawke’s Bay, Southland and Otago regions will have access to support services that have proved successful in helping young people find new earning and learning opportunities. “Tupu Aotearoa is about changing Pacific young peoples’ lives. Our young people are talented, they are smart, they ...
Introduction As the Minister for ACC I thank you all for the work that you do supporting New Zealanders in their literally most vulnerable moments. From those who hold people’s lives in their hands, to the people who research technique, technology and trends, your work is highly valued. A special ...
Notes prepared for speeches in Christchurch – Wednesday 9 October 2019 Today’s topic, “trends and opportunities for the New Zealand economy,” is certainly one getting a great deal of commentary at the moment. Looking across the media landscape lately you’ll notice we aren’t the only ones having this discussion. There ...
Minister of Health Dr David Clark and Associate Minister of Health Peeni Henare say this year’s World Mental Health Day theme is a reminder of why the Government’s work on mental health is so important. “This year the World Federation for Mental Health has made suicide prevention the main theme ...
Associate Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Carmel Sepuloni will represent the government at Australia’s Meeting of Cultural Ministers in Adelaide this week. “This year’s meeting is special because New Zealand is expected to become an International Member of the Meeting of Cultural Ministers at this Australian forum,” Carmel Sepuloni said. “The meeting is an opportunity to ...
The Greater Christchurch Claims Resolution Service has resolved 608 insurance and EQC claims in its first year in operation, Minister Megan Woods has announced. The government service, which celebrates its first birthday today, provides a one stop shop to help Cantabrians still battling to get their homes repaired or rebuilt ...
Today’s topic, “trends and opportunities for the New Zealand economy,” is certainly one getting a great deal of commentary at the moment. Looking across the media landscape lately you’ll notice we aren’t the only ones having this discussion. There has been an increasing amount of attention paid to the outlook ...
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This is new (or 1930s old if you want to look at it that way) for Dunedin:
“There have been many reports of people asking strangers for money – and people begging on the footpath – in recent weeks. Rising living costs and displacement in the wake of the Canterbury earthquakes have been linked to the sometimes shocking and all-too-obvious signs of personal struggle.”
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/292394/beggars-streets-dunedin
I’ve been asked for change at bus-stops a couple of times recently, and there’s always been the limited talent “buskers” (the kind you wouldn’t stop and listen to). The weather is fine this week, but it’s really not a town in which you want to be homeless during winter.
yeah happened to me on friday, a couple teens, i was with my 6 year old & they were quite in our faces. not good. but i guess with 20% (at least) of under 25s unemployed, this is what we should expect..
Youth unemployment in Dunedin is circa 30% or higher AFAIK
Afaik, everyone in NZ without cash assets, who doesn’t have enough money for groceries in a week, is entitled to financial support from WINZ. What does it say about us that people find it easier to beg from strangers on the street than strangers in the WINZ office?
@ weka..
“..everyone in NZ without cash assets, who doesn’t have enough money for groceries in a week, is entitled to financial support from WINZ…”
..factually incorrect there..weka…
..where on earth do you get this miss-information from..?
..how out of touch with the realities of life for so many are you..?
..and you a ‘green’..eh..?
..you’d think you’d know better..
..eh..?
..phillip ure..
Yeah that’s right phil, putting me down is the important thing here. But let me fix it, seeing as how logic isn’t your strong point and you would obviously rather point score and make it personal than further the conversation in a meaningful way.
NZ residents who pass an income and asset test are entitled to Special Needs Grants from WINZ. I’m sure that you can find fault with that statement if you try.
if you happen to be on some kind of stand down & maybe facing other penalties or run out of your ‘special needs’ grants its possible you wont get anything. some of these beggers might even have some work, minimum hours on minimum wage, its possible for these young ppl to have to beg so they can get some spare cash.
True, but most of those things aren’t in statute I think, they’re gate keeping at the office, hence my point about it being easier to beg from strangers on the street than it is to approach the govt agency responsible for looking after people who are really struggling.
oh right, yep, exactly. who really wants to have anything to do with the govt if it can be helped.
… so your point was that it’s easier to beg from strangers on the street than it is from WINZ? (just to clarify). I’d go along with that from those beggars I’ve had conversations with around Wellington.
btw ….. sometimes I think you (and others), and PU should really kiss and make up. Holier than thou … and all that kaka.
Maybe we need a Nosher Powel to mediate (“Give him back his fuckn cuntry”)
WINZ have turned discouraging people (I mean “clients”) from accessing their entitlements into an art form.
+1
@ weka..i fact-checked you because you used the words..’in a week’..
..thus implying that any week this could happen..
..that is not correct..
..if you time it right..you might get four shops a year out of them..in emergency-grants..
..then you are sent to the foodbanks..
..then you…
..phillip ure..
Yes WINZ are gate keeping at the office, hence my comment that it’s easier to beg on the streets.
No, I didn’t mean every week of the year. I meant that WINZ usually income and asset test for the week that you apply.
Four shops a year from emergency WINZ grants – that’s if you are VERY Lucky.
And going to the foodbanks – you’re only allowed a couple of these a year. So if you run out of food and funds at other times in the year ……. you’ve just run out of luck and food !!
I would say the biggers with very few exceptions are obtaining a tax payer funded benefit as well. I observed a beggar on Friday for about thirty minutes. He got a. Few coins in the time I was watching. Certainly did not seem starved. Then he started a conversation on his smart phone. After that he went over and had a chat to a couple of other beggers about twenty metres away, had a smoke and then went back to his position.
There were reports that the beggers do quite well thank you very much.
you sound almost envious there..monty..
..after yr in-depth investigation of the matter..
..will you be submitting yr conclusions to an academic-journal..?
..for a peer-review..?
..walked a mile in their shoes..did you..
..you ineffably shallow/simplistic little-man..
..you..
..phillip ure..
It was an observation, not an in depth investigation. I never have and never would walk an inch in their shoes. These people have no self respect, and are not prepared to do what is necessary to improve their lives. Beginning with making intelligent life decisions. There is no excuse for their begging.they intimidate people.
They are best ignored.
Monty
I don’t personally find beggers intimidating, except in the sense of empathising with their plight. Generally I find I can spare a few coins for the downtrodden. If you do in fact ignore these people how can you be so certain of your generalisations about them (eg; “These people have no self respect, and are not prepared to do what is necessary to improve their lives”)? Street-collecting, protesting, or busking can be dispiriting enough; I don’t want to ever find out just how grinding the begging process is.
From the ODT article above:
“The Dunedin City Council has no bylaws addressing begging. A spokeswoman said the council had received no complaints about it.
In some centres, Work and Income has staff specifically assigned to deal with the homeless and very poor, but not in Dunedin.”
And my casual observation is that you have simply sketched this tried & tested meme out of thin air.
Now, if you are looking for a masterclass in benny bashing, look no further.
http://t.co/BpR85fUCqe
That link!
Sukie Damson
That was a plum one you landed TS with on that there link!
I had a close look at it and it is a send-up, a satire. And sounds as if it might be from some UK union or left-wing students mag (from when students usually had a left wing lean.)
What do YOU think?
We’ve whipped up our ignorant readers into a bigoted frenzy of hatred. Here’s the kind of hand outs they’d like to see dished out to the money grubbing …
Cut his cock off and make him eat it..said disabled war veteran Joe …82, of Leeds.
etc
Have your neighbours got a nicer house than you? Do they appear to be better off than you are? Or perhaps their garden is a mess, or their kids have got snotty noses. Ring us today….and tell us about your nightmare neighbours. Perhaps we can arrange for a lynching……
Looks just like a typical WhaleSpew/Kiwibog thread. BTW, I hate how Farrar has misappropriated our national bird, our symbol, the name of our league team, and part of our identity for his hate site.
Read Orwell’s “Down and Out in Paris and London” Monty.
..how about down and out in Melbourne and Sydney?…no benefit for NZers
Monty, if I may be so bold, What things you must see from your lofty tower. You must feel so disappointed, so aggrieved, so challenged by the audacity of it all that these beggars have the indecency to stain your eyes with their meagre presence. You don’t ask for much. All you want is to pass along the street your taxes built and not be harangued by society’s flotsam. They are of course the only ones responsible for their circumstances and deserve every pointy stick of shame they get. Not only for being worthless street scum, but for their subsequent lack of a real contribution to what is obviously your society. They should, quite simply, not be tolerated by decent hard working penguins who only want to be exposed to osh-approved representations of society as dictated by the latest fearfacts poll . (I could go on but it would just get kind of mean and I think the sarcasm would be tedious after the first thirty odd pages)
Absolutely there are scammers out there on the street. Lots of them. Devious sods each and every one. Dedicated, they chip away at it day after day. Working hard to grift your coin from your wallet. Most of them wear suits by the way. Dispersed between the suits you will see other people, the ones you belittled so confidently. I feel I should enquire as to your validation for doing so. Have you ever spoken to the person you are accusing of failure? Have you ever asked a question of them? I imagine you are more likely one of those whom bark life directives as you pass by, choking on the guilt a bit as you cast the soiled coins from your pocket.
Do you know of any of these people’s achievements for example?
There are many proud histories that sit dishevelled on street corners around New Zealand. Just because many of these fellow humans are garbed in the broken shells of what they could have been, that is no reason to spew your ignorance upon them.
I doubt you could honestly fathom the daily challenges many beggars have faced. Battling with their mental state, dumped into the machinery of hot potato bureaucracy and some of the lucky ones even survive their personal traumas of violence and sexual assault. Monty, for someone who has such obvious trouble accepting the existence of others’ difficulties, I am unconvinced your limpet-celled cerebellum could process the pressured choices that eventually led many of these people to reach out a hand in submission.
Now, to stand in judgement on strangers for a full half hour and come to such a clear conclusion that you state “There is no excuse for their begging” means you are either an omniscient form of idiot-savant who has a razor keen understanding of humanity (and live in rarefied air), or you are just an idiot.
yeah i’m going with you are an idiot
Beautifully said, Freedom, as always.
Monty’s shallow smug callousness could bring tears to one’s eyes – to consider that we live along side those who are so hateful of humanity.
And thanks for the lolz SukieDamson. That is classic Viz.
+1
@ freedom..
1..
..very well said…
phillip ure
Global Capitalism Has Written Off The Human Race
We are already seeing this truth today. In fact, we’ve been seeing it for several decades but we’ve been ignoring it.
Male or female, straight, gay, trans, black, white or brown, able bodied or not; capitalism considers over 95% of the human race disposable and replaceable in exploitation for profits.
Science and technology today serves human ambitions, aspirations and greed, all of which are now capitalist in nature.
There are scientists who do care about their work and its effect for good to the public.
did you have an empathy bye-pass at birth..there..monty..?
..what/how else to explain yr bleak/dark heart..?
..eh..?
..phillip ure..
“I would say the biggers with very few exceptions are obtaining a tax payer funded benefit as well”
So? You do realise that benefits are intentionally set below a liveable level.
Why do you think that only people who ‘look’ starved deserve help?
Why do you think that someone with a smart phone isn’t hungry or needing to pay a power bill before their power gets cut off?
Why do you have a problem with people who beg socialising with each other?
You should move to Brazil, Monty. Most of the middle class think like you, and there are even more beggars to hate. You can even run them over and get away with it, or set fire to them. That teaches them not to be intimidating to good citizens.
Program by Philippa Tolley on whether the NZ Public Services democratic role is being undermined this morning very good!
…..very articulate experienced well educated professional speakers on the problems facing New Zealand’s public Service eg Foreign Affairs man Mr Leak?, Matthew Palmer? ( legal), Brenda Pilot (PSA).
….and Labour Party’s Maryan Street, Spokesperson for State Services …. also very competent …..talking about the problems facing Public Servants….
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday
…..as a former Public Servant my heart goes out to Public Servants under a NACT Government …it must be hell!
…. problems of giving free and frank advice on what is best for New Zealand versus what the government wants to hear
….problems of working under the threat of being made redundant
…problems of having to carry on after your mates have been made redundant illegitimately
…problems of working under a huge workload ( remember Cave Creek….this happened after redundancies on the West Coast and impossible work loads carried by DOC staff)
Beltway issue. Labour needs policy that people can relate to to get votes.
I don’t agree that the running down of the public service under National is a beltway issue. It just needs to be framed in terms relevant to people’s lives – hospital waiting lists, class sizes, the amount of time it takes government departments to respond or deal with issues,
There is the possibility, depending upon what occurs in the next month, of an interesting story developing surrounding ”just how” this current Government is managing those hospital waiting lists…
…what does beltway mean?
It means people watched too much West Wing
Beltway…it means the political scene in Wellington. People in the beltway are in the Know. Apparently. It often gets used disparagingly here to refer to people who aren’t in touch with the rest of NZ.
eerh thanx …..
public servants are everywhere…not just in Wellington….and their health and well-being is a litmus test for democracy…they are servants of the public…the people of NZ …. and our taxpayer dollar
….when they start to sqwark down the tunnels and kark it in the mines you know your democracy is in trouble
Like you Chooky, as a former PS (both in the pre-corporatisation, AND post-corporatisation eras), I feel for them.
’87 – we were promised
…. greater accountability
…… de-politicisation
……. fishinsy n fektivness
……….. and a whole lot of other BS.
In fact exactly the opposite has occured AND at greater expense if you take into account the salary largesse of ‘CEO’s’ (ffs!!!!! CEO’s in the Public Service – an anomaly in and of itself), and their ‘Senior Management’.
Actually, the result has been highly politicised little feifdoms, open to manipulation and scams, and an environment where actual public servants work IN SPITE of their ‘entitled’ management, rather than BECAUSE of them. Ask any at the coal face what they think of their so-called management – I dare ya!!
Be it Internal Affairs
Be it Defence,
Be it Te Puni Kokiri (present Hippolite excepted thus far, but we’ll wait and see)
Be it WINZ
Be it …. (name your poison)
I bothers me that ‘progressives’ (including the current Labour Party leadership claiming progressive credentials) can’t see the bleeding obvious
+100..Tim
….this will be a big issue for Wellingtonians especially .
…and I might add ….a country is only as good as its high quality , independent Public Servants, committed to serving that country….so it is a very important political issue
I have to say Mayan Street spoke well on the issue
i got six paragraphs into today’s Herald column by Matt McCarten and found i had far far better activities to occupy my Sunday morning with than allowing Matt’s views to ruin yet another day,
According to Matt, the Alfred E. Nuemann of television reporting Patrick Gower is a ”frighteningly good journalist”,
i can only surmise that Matt considers Himself in with a chance, along with Bryce and Kerre of getting the nod to fill John Armstrong’s position at the Herald when the latter falls asleep at His computer for the final time…
Matt seems to be doing a job interview for his paymasters…..looky here see how I can spin it with the best, wondered about him in an election year at pravda, wonder no more.
Also no surprise that cammy is being positioned as some type of hard done by family man and crusader of worthy causes with bradbury thrown in for granny styled ‘balance’.
with shonkey aligning himself with the slater its nicely framed for WO to become every bit as ‘credible’ as granny with the payback for cammy probably escalated site hits and perhaps similar taxpayer gigs like farrars curia enjoys.
Yeah true, i suppose if McCarten is taking the Massah Bosses coin then He is beholden to write what will keep the Massah Boss passing over that 30 pieces of silver…
As we all know WO is a pretty revolting specimen. It is indicative of Key’s outlook on life that he can’t see this.
My guess is that there are wavering voters who will be put off Key by his closeness to the Whale.
Cue Labour repeating often that Key has fireside chats with the Oily One=more votes.
So another poll is coming out tonight. The rumours are that it is bad news for the left and good news for the right. I suspect it will have a bit of a slump for the greens and Labour with National who have run a tight ship this. Year possibly able to rule alone, or maybe with the help of act and Dunne.
Som what will a bad result mean for the left? Has Cunliffe finished the honeymoon only after six months, while John Key’s honeymoon continues six years into the Job.
If the poll results are bad will labour be capable of taking a hard look at their policy platform and realise that
A. The population generally do understand that National is doing a good job and the gains are not to be risked by a lurch to the left such as a green labour government would deliver
B. The left policies of more welfare in one form or another are not capturing the imagination of the public.
C. More taxes are not going to win any election. The promise of increased taxes has failed the last two elections, why do labour think it will work a third time. Isn’t it time the left dropped their hatred of success?
Hmmm Monty is pontificating on something and assuming the worst for Labour and then offering the benefit of his sage advice. What happens Monty if the poll shows increased support? I hear the internal polling is sound.
“Montificating”…
It is certainly time to scroll past Montykins scrawlings.
Perhaps Labour need new pollsters? Tonights OneNews poll is a disaster.
In the 1990’s National cut taxes by closing hundreds of hospitals around the country and cutting other services that help New Zealand.
FACT: you can only cut taxes by cutting services. Raising taxes to pay for services that help New Zealanders is the only way forward in this country.
That is not a fact Millay.
What is a fact is that throwing money at a problem does not necessarily resolve it.
Whereas not spending money on a social problem generally makes it worse.
+1
Aus has a very large tax regime with the top personal rate nearly 50%, CGT, FBT, GST, Superannuation tax and thats before we look at state taxes like stamp duty those are federal taxes.
Those roads, schools, hospitals etc are paid for with taxes, rwnjs appear to be wilfully ignorant on the massive borrowing the nact perform to stop serious cracks appearing everywhere while they are in power.
if we pulled the tablecloths of cafe nacts tables now, you would see books, bricks, bodies propping up the legs theyve sawn off.
Or realigning what you do with the taxes.
There has been a lot of bleating from the right about the living wage and they have very helpfully supplied figures to bolster their argument as to how much WFF will go down. Mostly in the billions.
So if we can get the bottom end wages up, with a knock on effect up the scale through to the median ( and hopefully decrease the profit amounts going off shore) then we will have plenty more to spend on community needs. Bit like ditching the holiday highway and spending money on a few passing lanes and public transport.
“hundreds of hospitals”, hundreds????
I am in possession of a document obtained under the Offical Information Act that I can provide a link to if you like.
The polls show that National is winning because it’s getting votes from the old – the same people who lived it up riotously on the generous postwar welfare state and who want to deny the same to the under 40s.
It really doesn’t have anything to do with what you say other than that the boomers are a worthless load of spongers.
RockBottom Economy,
Deficit = 1.79 billion dollars, now that’s what i call book balancing,
Gross Government Debt = 80+ billion dollars, when it hits 100 billion bucks the automatic invitation for the IMF to move in and loot the place on behalf of the creditors becomes active???,
Business Tax Evasion/Avoidance $179 million dollars in six months, s’pose Bill can always plug the hole with the loot from asset sales in the name of surplus at any cost,
The RockBottom Economy brought to you by Nationals stunning economic mismanagement circa 2008–2014…
$1.8 billion crown deficit, $82.95 billion gross government debt and rising.
Good job indeed. Maybe in a parallel, upside-down universe.
Truly a Rock-Bottom Economy and Slippery the PM has no plans on altering anything if given a third term…
I have always though that this election will be close. But recent polls have given the green labour bloc extreme cause for concern, with good reason given the nightmare of the past couple of weeks for the left to think the trend would have changed.
The labour and green policies to date have had no impact and have been easily dissected by us on the right ( with much joy I might add)
Nothing the green labour bloc has done has managed to impact on the ongoing strong and unprecedented support national continues to enjoy.
at this rate Winston will not be of benefit to the green labour bloc in forming a government. Besides I doubt he will go with David and Russel for the simple reason that his ego will not want him to play third fiddle.
I wonder if the recent grumpiness of labour MPs is related to on going poor polling.
Voters will vote for some more redistribution. There is widespread concern at persistent inequality. But they will not vote for policies that make New Zealand poorer.
As an example – The recent solar panel policy is such an example. It uses the Government (and its ability to tax and borrow) to promote an expensive generation mode over existing cheaper ones. It dishonestly portrays solar as cheaper by claiming that the interest subsidy is not really a subsidy, and by downplaying the ownership risks. If someone had a spare $15,000 and they did want to spend that on energy efficiency they would be well advised to spend it on top notch insulation, double glazing, installing a reverse cycle air hot water system and an efficient gas central heating system or a heat pump. These are proven technologies that also will add to capital value.
There is concern at inequality of opportunity. I am not at all convinced there is huge amounts at the level of concern around inequality of outcome.
The outcome is dependant upon so many factors such as ambition, priorities, life decisions, risks taken and outcome of those risks.
labour and the greens keep harping on about needing equality of outcomes. That is effectively socialism and means those who work hard, invest, make good decisions are penalised and their money taken to redistribute to those who make poor life decisions, don’t necessarily have the skills to make money.
It is a very dangerous road to go down.,
Only if you measure the entire value of a human being by how many “skills to make money” they have Monty.
labour and the greens keep harping on about needing equality of outcomes.
Except nobody does. No-one is arguing for equality of outcomes. What we are pointing out is that in a world where just 85 people now control more wealth than the poorest 3.5 BILLION people on the planet – that there is plenty of room to reduce this gross extreme of wealth and poverty.
“labour and the greens keep harping on about needing equality of outcomes. That is effectively socialism and means those who work hard, invest, make good decisions are penalised and their money taken to redistribute to those who make poor life decisions, don’t necessarily have the skills to make money.”
Whilst I have no objection to taxing hard work only lightly, much of the higher incomes that we see are coming from economic rent and ticket clipping, and this should be providing the lion’s share of the tax take.
+1
The biggest bludgers are the shareholders.
“The biggest bludgers are the shareholders.”
Sometimes. Though their income comes from the ownership of assets which contribute to the productive process, and they stand to lose their investment if the enterprise fails.
I was thinking more of interest recipients, who contribute nothing to the productive process, landlords, in respect of land, and administrators who are often grossly overpaid for what they actually contribute
But they themselves don’t.
Interest recipients are just indirect shareholders.
Within a business administrators are an expense on the workers and so the workers should have a say how much that they’re paid.
Landlords should be administrators hired by the government on a fixed income to administer state rental properties. There should be no private rentals.
“Interest recipients are just indirect shareholders.”
Shareholders own assets – machines, tools, etc – which contribute to production, and which get used up through depreciation. Interest recipients hold promissory notes, or something similar, which contribute nothing.
“Within a business administrators are an expense on the workers and so the workers should have a say how much that they’re paid.’
They should be paid a fair price for the service they provide.
Don’t kid yourself. The shareholders only “own” that hardware through legal fictions.
In the most common reality, the banks effectively own all that stuff. You can see this when a factory folds: the banks get all the money from the fire sale of those items, and the employees and shareholders get nothing.
Ownership of a machine doesn’t contribute to production.
I didn’t say that they shouldn’t. It was more a statement that they shouldn’t set their wages.
“Ownership of a machine doesn’t contribute to production.”
This is just playing with words. The machine itself contributes to production.
No, it’s not playing with words. The ownership of the machine doesn’t contribute to production.
are they those same shareholding-elites who are part of the $5 billion in criminally-avoided tax in nz..?
..(and as a benchmark at the other end..benefit-fraud in the last measured year was $23 million..)
..there is yr funding to end poverty..
..right there..
..that..and a financial transaction tax on the inter-institution trading of banks/finance-companies etc..
..and we will have poverty done and dusted..
..and we will even have enough to start cleaning up the mess we have made of this place..
..just those two measures will be enough..
..tell that to those who wring their hands..
..and claim there is nothing we can do..
..to end this poverty-blight..
..and to clean up our country..
..phillip ure..
Or even better you put up the panels, for the joy of shafting the power companies, and then with the reduction in the monthly bills, do all those other things so that the house is a net supplier. Maybe one would be allowed to donate the power to certain community facilites like schools or hospitals or towards the bill of an older or younger relative.
The recent solar panel policy is such an example. It uses the Government (and its ability to tax and borrow) to promote an expensive generation mode over existing cheaper ones. It dishonestly portrays solar as cheaper by claiming that the interest subsidy is not really a subsidy, and by downplaying the ownership risks.
When governments first started building sealed highways they were effectively subsidising a dearer mode of transport (cars) over an existing cheaper and more reliable one (horses).
SSLands i can nearly hear you sobbing from here at the Green Party having the temerity to cut out the profit making trading banks from the solar power equation, there is no ”interest subsidy” as you latest lie attempts to infer,
Those taking up the offer will be able to borrow up to $15,000 off of the Government and pay the same amount of interest the Government is charged to borrow the money on behalf of those borrowing to install solar,
You will probably be depressed to the point of self harm once the first low income families are housed under the Green Parties home ownership initiative where it will be up to the home owners how much of the mortgage they pay down on these Government housing loans which again cut out the profit making trading banks…
As an after-thought to your latest of whines formulated upon lies SSLands, you have to remember that the Government will be buying any spare generation off of those who choose to cleverly take up the Green Party initiative which lends the money to those wishing to install a solar energy system,
i should imagine that such solar producers will be given preference over the major generators when selling power to the Government wholesaler Labour/Green intend to install between the current generators and current retailers,
i would further imagine that the Government wholesaler will purchase that solar generation from the household generators at the fair price paid to the large generators which they will then on-sell to the retailers,
Obviously a single desk wholesale buyer of electricity generation will be able to use market forces to squeeze the margins and make a small profit so how you think the Government will lose money on the solar power start-up transaction is in fact beyond me…
The lower interest isn’t a subsidy and there are very few, if any, downside risks. It will also make many NZers richer. The only ones that will get poorer will be the ones who bought our assets, against our will, with a look to get free money.
sryland..
..did you ever find the evidence of yr bullshit claims yesterday..?
..or doesn’t that really matter..
..every day is just bullshit-groundhog-day for you..
..eh..?
..phillip ure..
I have just read on Kiwiblog that Richard Prebble is returning to ACT to run their election campaign. On reading this my personal opinion is that the election is now sown up barring any major scandals.
But isn’t Prebble the RNZ go to commentator for ‘what’s going on in the Labour party’? So confusing…
This “in bed with the bloggers” article is thought provoking imo. Isn’t it interesting watching the meme develop that you have to be a ‘personality’ to be a blogger with impact or influence. I’m not against personalities but surely it is the ideas – oh sorry how naive of me.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11208097
I have to say that I am still struggling to get my head around the recent news that the prime minister rings slater up and chats – and the killer is, that is only if the lying dirty wanker is telling the truth – and he hardly ever does that! Dirty, dirty fight, dirty tactics, fight to win. Wake (further) up lefties the skirmishing is here.
Our PM is a well advised cold calculating banksta representing the hollowmen, time will tell why he did this.
IMO it was to give ‘credibility’ to WO who will become an outlet for the dirt etc that him and lusk etc have as their stock in trade.
you will not hear the end of the brown saga as one example as its all about throw as much shit as you can so more sticks to the ‘left’, its obvious with the nact cabal on akl council the scene has been set after sharon stewarts tanty last week which I highly doubt was her own work.
If any bloggers on here live in Sharon’s area might be good to get in touch with her office and suggest she gets on with running Auckland which is what she is paid to do. A bit of Faux concern about how the scandals are hurting the right wing image as icing on the cake.
Waste of time IMO, thats exactly what her, brewer, krum, quax etc are paid to do, continue to undermine brown.
Supercity is nacts vehicle to take over akl assets, the poodles led by banks jnr will not stop yapping until thats achieved.
Getting rate and taxpayers to fund that agenda is a bonus, not that they need the cash as I hear Waitemata trust is very flush.
Wow, that’s a really long article, with some interesting biases. Am curious as to why Tiso attracts so much criticism.
Also interesting to see the humanising and cleaning up of Slater’s image underway.
Ideas vs personality, heh.
Mouth still open – the “warm and cuddly Slater image” ?
As to bias no women mentioned, I think, Herald gotta problem, woman ban in place?
Clearly a strong attempt to rehabilitate Slater. Which demonstrates exactly how important and central to the right-wing he is.
While I despise him with every fibre of my being – I never underestimated him. Slater is absolutely central to their value system and is now a prime channel for promulgating it. Key’s weekly chats with Slater are not an idle amusement in a bored moment; they will be a critical part of Key’s strategy and communications plan.
I do not really think Mr Key is that much in touch with Mr Slater. It was either a distraction ploy, (once Slater is hinted at we stop looking) or a deliberate effort to campaign amongst the Whale oil commentators. “I say chaps, John Key is one of us you know, so we should jolly well vote for him don’t you think?”
I do not really think Mr Key is that much in touch with Mr Slater.
When were you last in touch with a Prime Minister – ever?
Exactly! That is the point – well put red.
+1 – but I would put it the other way around. When was a PM directly in touch with you?
A question several journalists (Herald ones) tweeted each other sarcastically just after the Key statement. re his calling WO regularly.
The context in which Mr Key hinted that Mr Slater was a confidante seemed to me that it was so unlikely that he was, and more likely that it was a slip-up being covered-up. It is true that Mr Key has not contacted me once this year even though I am freely available to offer considered opinions to him.
Sad really that only people who have conversations with Mr Key should offer opinions about his behaviours. The rest of you must remain silent!
You think that Slater’s crowd don’t already vote on the right?
Are you suggesting that Leaders should not “visit” those who likely would vote for them weka? Anyway, I just doubt the legitimacy of the belief in Key/Slater rapport.
Key isn’t talking to Slater weekly because he wants him to vote for National. I think leaders can visit whoever they like. But they will come under scrutiny if they lack judgement in who they visit. And let’s not forget the context of this particular contact between PM and constituent.
marty mars
Lol, Pete George is on to that Herald article too and mentions you, and karol, and mickey savage, and zetetic……………..aww still thinking of you all. Ain’t that just the sweetest thing…………..
http://yournz.org/
Lol alright – thanks Rosie 🙂
Auspylands
Serial lies again
Reverse cycle water heaters are dearer to run than a standard electric water heater because of the set up costs then a limited life span of the mechanism of 10 years.
Gas heating is also dearer.
Double glazing is only guaranteed for ten years needing expensive reglazing.
Insulation is a good idea.
But as usual National first changed govt funded retrofiting insulation so only wealthy people could afford it Now they have scraped it .
Donkeyotay would we well advised to steer clear of slater and his crew. They are on the road to being charged with fomenting civil disorder. They think they can get away with anything they like but the moment they step over the mark they will feel the full force of the law.
“How is it, then, that bloggers can be so outspokenly partisan, can get into bed with the politicians and still call themselves journalists?”
Oh my God, the irony, it burns.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11208097
Hmm, having some technical difficulties, so I can’t amend my post… anyway, to add, the moron – some personoid, creature, whatever called Jonathan Milne – writing the piece thinks that the ability to attract advertising revenue is a measure of someone’s worth. He/it gives away a lot in that short statement.
That’s The Herald!
I’ve been watching House of Cards – the American remake with Kevin Spacey lately, and there’s a paper called “The Washington Herald”. Always, the camera frames it as “The Was”. That’s old media.
State of the country’s education
Not exactly a ringing endorsement from a former employer of his staff?
“When I was at Auckland Grammar, people would often say what a wonderful institution I was in charge of,” Morris says. “But there is no point having a nice building if you have lousy teachers.”
Of course, he would no doubt believe that when he was in the classroom he was a brilliant teacher. “Oh why couldn’t they all be like me …?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11208096
gee..!..that rory-the-green from politicheck…(over on that politcheck-thread..)
..is being very coy about answering my (quite straightforward to my mind) questions about the ideological-tinges/records of those helping him settle the form/function imperatives of this new political watchdog..
..i asked if truth-bender farrar is involved..if the rightwing trout hooten is involved..
..(but then..he did say he was staying away from ‘the fringe’..eh..?
..and libertarian hooten..and farrar…the main architect/peddler of the vile campaigns of lies/hatred against the weakest/poorest of our country..oh..!..since he started kiwiblog..?
..if they aren’t truth-bending fringe..who are..?
..and you know what..?
..i fear my wild guess on this..is correct..
..and if rory happens to be from the right/libertarian-wing of the green party..
..well then..this politicheck thing is a rightwing attack-machine..
..how can it not be..?
..rory-the-green really needs to come-clean..
..eh..?
phillip ure..
moderation..
phillip ure..
and imagine if..say..that other far-right trout jordan carter were also involved..?
..whoar..!
..eh..?
..(and here’s a knee-slapper..!..)..maybe they even have acceptable-gatekeeper-wannabe edwards-the-younger on board..
..(snigger/snort!’..he could be their ersatz-‘leftie’..eh..?..
..and of course with him..they would also be blessed with/by the presence of one pete george..whoar..!..eh..?..)
..and as for rory-the-green..?
it’s really a matter of:..
‘..politichecker..!..first politicheck thyself..!..’
..eh..?
..phillip ure..
phil, is there much point in screaming fire if no-one has actually opened the box of matches ?
I hope they find a way to make politicheck work and this is the line that holds most promise, imho.
Not an easy statement to back away from if they do fail to deliver [unbiased] fact checking
freedom..
..it’s more the ‘screaming’ silence ..since a really simple question was asked..
..look at my first comment in that thread..to see my initial reaction to this..
..but we are allowed no questions..?
..especially of this person who has done a seagull-drop..
..and then flown away..?
..the questions aren’t going to go away..eh..?
..’cos america has versions of what this may be..
..rightwing attack-machines cloaked in ‘fact-checking’-robes..
..and..i hope i am proved to be questioning unecessarily..
..(i again refer back to my initial comment in that thread..)
..phillip ure..
Where did all these mountains come from? Weren’t there molehills there before?
Phil,
I am not saying you are wrong,
just looking at the facts.
The site is new, it’s looking for volunteers, there is probably a fair bit of mail for the crew to get through, and as yet there has not been one published “checked fact” for anyone to comment on, let alone the vast conspiracy you seem to be consigning the site to. Have you considered the lack of immediate action in the site getting back to you might actually be a good thing? If they had gotten back to everyone straight away would that have not raised much bigger alarm bells as to how they are resourced?
I have not read the thread you reference, (guessing you mean yesterday’s posting on politicheck?) I saw the politicheck site link, went and looked at the site and now wait for updates on their status so further assessment can occur.
the situation reminds me of reviews based on trailers and not the film itself
often the critics are correct, but every now and then . . . egg on face
don’t let it happen to you is all
peace
Translated: someone failed tp pay attention to phil, so it’s a fringe-right wing conspiracy
bit harsh McFlock!
phil has valid questions, and i am sure answers will eventually arrive
Can’t see how Rory McCarthy owes anyone anything at this stage.
oh noes………eh
how could they …
the inventor of nationalisation ….eh
and 3 dots …
libertarians, eh….
….eh?
https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=contract_detail&contract=PM.2014.LABOUR
I see that rich prick leftie is “manipulating” the ipredict market yet again with a 1925 Buy order on “PM Labour”.
What was that claim again? Oh yes the market can be manipulated by a fuckwit with a spare thousand.
SSLands, is that why you gamble on that site, fuck-wit is what we usually attach to you as an epithet,
Glad to see you agree with us all here at the Standard on the important issues…
I see you are being foul mouthed and rude as usual today. On a related topic, did you see you are (in)famous on Kiwiblog? Although they are too polite to call you a fuckwit.
It is not gambling any more than the stockmarket is. Do you direct that your retirement savings not be invested in stocks? No, didn’t think so. Because presumably you are not a fuckwit.
Ipredict is authorised by the Securities Commission as a futures dealer.
And for your own sake stop being so foul mouthed and rude. It is disgusting.
SSLands, if i am attracting abusive comments on one or other of the Sewers channels it simply means that those who i have given a verbal slapping are too thin skinned and have run off to whine like dogs over there,
And no, i do not feel a need to dirty myself reading such rubbish as the blog you mention so my infamy or otherwise in the sewers network is immaterial,
What is more important given that National/ACT have decided to spend YOUR money, Ha-ha-ha upon brand new white-ware for ME, Ha-ha-ha, is the little question i have for you being my adopted bill payer SSLands, silver or white for the new fridge/freezer YOU are paying for SSLands, Ha-ha-ha…
Hey shit head
Since you hold the bottom 95% of NZers in contempt and disdain, your concept of “politeness” is just an elitist farce.
“..on Kiwiblog? Although they are too polite ..”
now..that is one thing i have never heard said before..
..of the denizens of the kiwiblog-swamp..
..that they are ‘too polite’…
..and not something..i must say..i ever saw..
..phillip ure..
Your point about my retirement savings is also an amusement SSLands, although you obviously not having a sense of humor never intended this to be thus,
My retirement savings are all on deposit in the Bank of Tane Mahuta SSLands, the Tararua branch of the ”bank” to be exact, lolz, you might be able to see the particular ”branch” below which my deposit lurks from your lounge window, Ha-ha-ha…
lol…i do so love your comments to SSLands
”It” being a simpleton does make it an easy target tho…
Why don’t Ipredict run market for how many people do or don’t turn up to vote?
Framing a Non Voters market you would think 800,000+ would be 100-1
300,000- set at about 2-1
Sound about right Shrilland?
Hey fuckwit. That is the same trader you highlighted the other day. Obviously, his order for 2.5K shares on that stock still hasn’t been fulfilled since he is buying for the low price of $0.36. The price for that stock is effectively fixed at ~$0.36 because this large buy order is dominating all other buy orders, as I said would happen. I can’t see why the fuck you think that ipredict tells you anything – the volume traded is so low that one or two traders with a bit of cash to spare can set the price to whatever they want.
As I pointed out to you then, if he was really a rich leftie manipulating the stock, he would have simply used his money to mop up all those shares that are being sold at >$0.36 and push the price of the stock up. You really are a clueless fuck, aren’t you?
Or perhaps that is your buy order and you are trying to suck people into selling at the price to make a tidy profit when Cunliffe because our next PM? You certainly have been pushing ipredict a lot these past few weeks.
Worse than that, SSLands is clueless with deliberation…
srylands let it go …
Take your keys off the keyboard and go outside and enjoy the summer. Ipredict is subject to manipulation. It also has a right wing bias. This is why lefties can actually do quite well with it.
Kim Dotcom’s hearing to be delayed again. I haven’t got much love for him , but I agree when he says that the delay will save John Key embarrassment during an election campaign.
Hard not to believe that the Minister of Jackets didn’t give a little push for the Court’s decision.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9754895/Kim-Dotcom-hearing-to-be-delayed
Really? If Dotcom was an going to be an embarrassment I would have thought Key would want him out of the country pronto? If
he is corrupt enough to delay a hearing then surely he is corrupt enough to bring one forward?
That makes no sense at all. If embarrassing details are going to come out at the hearing, Key would want to put it off until after the elections. He wouldn’t want them fresh in the mind of voters while they line up at the polls, and despite the best efforts of NAct’s crack legal team of Collins and Finlayson, a finding against Dotcom is still not guaranteed.
Latest Colmar Brunton is out. It claims National is up 6% to 51%, Labour is unchanged on 34%, Greens are down 5% to 8%, NZ First down 1% to 3%, the conservatives are on 1% as is the Maori Party.
The poll appears to be a rogue. I do not know why National should benefit from Green vote.
And Monty it appears that everything you have been saying today is, with respect, incorrect. How about an apology?
Only 51% for National. Surely this is a rogue poll . It should be near 60%
The greens are predominately a middle/upper class white party.
I think Normans silliness over the last few weeks has really hurt the greens and put a lot of people off.
That’s right. Upper/middle class green voters don’t want solar power rolled out across the country 🙄
A real little amusement isn’t it MS, the Green Party losing 5% of their vote to the National Party, only in the dreams of the little tory that obviously thrills at making shit up,
Winston’s lot on 3%, the propaganda machine is having to stretch reality past the bounds of credibility with this one,
i was tho amused with the ”art” of those kids at that school in Slippery the PM’s electorate, trust the young to see everything for what it is befor the brainwashing begins to sink in,
The PM’s face being depicted in the kids painting of a mural sitting comfortably framed by a Donkey’s arse fits nicely with my oft stated proposition that Slippery the PM covers over the Large bald spot on His nut with the soft anal hairs plucked from a donkeys arse,
Wonder if the kids named that particular donkey Brucie, great painting, shame the same couldn’t be said about the rush of polls bullshitting us, as they did last election, with the Governing alone crap…
Why would you think Nats have pinched from Greens?
A far more sensible explanation would be that Lab have taken some at the lunatic end with the cash for breeders policy but lost some at the less nutty end to the Nats.
Barnsly Bill, your award for the dull Dunces comment of the day is in the post, the Labour poll % hasn’t moved since the last propaganda release from Colmar/National…
Um think you missed the point.. for arguments sake, the greens lost 5 points to Labour and Labour in turn lost five to the nats…. in terms of labour maybe they gained some votes at the left end of the spectrum but lost some of the more neolib inclined supporters to the nats. Tis possible labour has moved back left and has a leader that appeals to the left wing base now…
Or its just an outlier….
Oh. Oh dear. You looked very silly.
What Barnsley is saying (whether he’s right or not is another issue) is that National while went up and Greens went down, it wasn’t all one group of voters moving from the Greens to National.
Rather, Labour was on 34%. It gained 5% from the Greens due to strong left-wing policy. It then lost 5% to National due to centrist leaving. Therefore National goes up, Greens goes down, Labour stays the same.
Whether that’s right or wrong (it’s probably wrong) is up to debate… but you ended up looking like the dunce for not understanding that.
Poor old Disraeli Gallstone, obviously you believe in Christmas and other fairy tales as well, just like Barnsley Bill obviously does,
Colmar/national always polls National 3-4% above their actual support and the Green Party 3-5% below,
The fact that you and BB the Dunce place any real credence whatsoever in these fairy tales as anything but propaganda and then proceed to embellish that propaganda with a little narrative speculating on this and that proves nothing about the previous comment i made to BB, it simply proves that the pair of you along with the ‘wing-nut’ chorus are happy to indugle in bouts of public masterbation…
“Whether that’s right or wrong (it’s probably wrong)”
That’s what I said to you.
I don’t think this poll is right.
I was just merely commenting on your abysmal skills of reading comprehension. Amazingly, your response is another example of poor reading comprehension.
Disraeli Gallstone, wrong, i fully comprehend the little mathematics game the ‘wing-nuts’ choose to play to explain this particular piece of propaganda,
i just choose to use ignorance to portray my disbelief and it works a treat especially on those ‘wing-nuts’ that choose to pile in to blow their flatulence claiming victory across the pages of the Standard where those same ‘wing-nuts’ have little history of commenting here previously,
You may choose to believe that 10% of the left’s voters have chosen to suddenly engage in an electoral shuffle of their support toward the right, or, you may chose as i do to see these polls as having an element of manufacture within them with an actual intent of swaying softer voters intentions,
Of course if you have the slightest belief in the latter proposition then my belief is that showing any sign of belief in the little ‘wing-nut’ theory of a 10% shift of the left’s vote to the right is to put yourself in the position of a soft voter able to be swayed by the media bullshit, in other words a mere serf to the likes of Patrick Gower etc,
There are enough here who engage in the ‘wailing’ after each successive negative poll for the left to form a large enough ‘chorus of tears’ and i do not propose to become one of them, IF defeat occurs in 2014 i will only concede at the point the vote is counted,
Until then i will happily engage the ‘wing-nuts’ who fly in to spew on a momentary basis with derision which includes the pretense of deliberately misrepresenting the content of any of their particular comments, a little trick i learned from them…
You’re not even addressing what I’m saying anymore. You’re ignoring my post and having a completely separate conversation.
Essentially, you are arguing with yourself. So I’ll leave you to it. Good luck.
You are famous again!
His response is another example of his shocking rudeness.
OK forget the polls. Bad12 says the Greens will get between 12 and 15%. Everything is fine.
PLus you can’t spell “masturbation”. Although that is secondary to your vileness in using the word in this context. You should be ashamed.
awwww, like you’re so fucking pristine.
Oh.
OH.
My time machine worked. I’m back in the 1950s!
Seriously. Bad12 apparently can’t read or spell, but saying that using the word “masturbation” is vile?
Really?
SSLands please refer to my comment posted at 8.26pm, my ‘rudeness’ actually knows no bounds when directed at a ‘wing-nut’ like you…
Correct, BB.
Simple. The policies announced by Labour had pulled support from the greens, to Labour, but has sent labour support to the Nats. Assuming the 6% that National has gained has come from the Greens who lost 5% and claiming that to be the reason for the poll being rogue is a bit rich.
Is it not possible that Green vote at the margin moved to Labour and Labour vote at the margin moved to National rather than Green vote leapfrogging Labour to National?
Old Tony, it is also possible that there really are little Green Men, have you seen any recently…
Possible but I do not see why the Green vote would go to Labour.
This is a rogue. Polling is getting more and more random.
Ahhhhh… the sweet sound of denial…….. 🙂
Keep it up! (Shhhhh…. don’t tell anyone that you are really a Nats “plant”……. 🙂 )
Denial, now what was Colmar Brunton polling National at prior to the 2011 election, oh that’s right a ‘Govern Alone 50%’,
The desperate from the sewer pour into the Standard to try and convince us of a victory, remember your stupidity after the vote in 2014 which will see National not as governing alone, but, as the biggest opposition party yet under the MMP system…
Desperate….. moi….. ?
Why would we be “desperate” when three recent polls have shown us to be pushing 50%?
Desperation is for the 30 percenters……. 🙂
Right so you are a true believer then, last election colamr/national polled the Tory’s at 50.3% just befor the election, what was the actual result again,
Oh that’s right 47%, please keep dreaming the National governing alone rubbish it will be all the sweeter when National wind up as a very large opposition after the 2014 vote is taken…
So, when is John Key about to blow off that crazy moon landing denier, Colin Craig?
Except of course National still need the Conservatives on the scene.
I think the greens would loose to Labour after Norman being was exposed fawning to Dotcom.
Sponge – You raise an interesting and potentially valid point. Whether it was as the MSM portray it (which I question), that Norman more or less went “begging” to Dotcom to not start his Internet Party, or not, it raised the possibility that he did.
In the public eye, even amongst some otherwise loyal Green voters, this could have led to serious disappointment, as the Greens have previously always tried to maintain an image of honesty, openness, transparency and independence.
The same media reports about Winston Peters having visited Dotcom, allegedly 3 times, then Peters reacting angrily, first denying this, and later claiming that Key may have had the GCSB spy on him, that will likely have disappointed some otherwise rather loyal supporters of NZ First and Winston.
I think that whether justified or not, bot suffered some loss of credibility in the public’s perception, hence the support in this poll went down for both parties, and significantly.
The Green’s solar energy policy release may not have impacted on this poll, but even that release was only moderately well received by the media, as it seems.
The MSM are ridiculed by some here, but sadly, most people out there still use them for most of their “humble” and poor quality information uptake, to base decisions on.
Gawd all the wing nuts are here. Did Cameron send you over?
Abuse aside, do you not admit that the reason for the flow of votes outlined by several of us makes sense?
It is fricking obvious, surely!
You have gained some votes from fruitcakes but lost some of the middle-ground people.
Swings and roundabouts.
I’ll bet you that even Chris Trotter would agree with me.
It may not be “nice” but the truth sometimes hurts….
It’s a nice theory, sewer rat, but it relies on believing that the Greens dropped more than a third of their vote for no clear reason.
Smells like bullshit.
The key for the Left remains turning out the bottom 50% of the population to vote.
That means policies and politicians directly engaging with that part of the electorate, while emphasising to the top 50% of voters that not only is it the right thing to do to leave no one behind, but that it is economically crucial for the long term well being of society.
How’s this for a crazy idea, how about come up with some policies that actually appeal to the majority of voters.
This bribing the bludgers strategy is shit and in all honesty labour, deserves to die because of it.
“How’s this for a crazy idea, how about come up with some policies that actually appeal to the majority of voters.”
That’d be Green policy.
Ok,so what’s going wrong?
Popular policies != 8%
I said popular policies, not popular party or personalities.
http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/
Green policy is nuttier than squirrel shit..
Yet it’s consistently the most popular policy in blind tests.
Yeah BM, it must be damn disheartening for none of them to be offering you a bribe for your vote this time round right…
I don’t need or want to be bribed, especially with my own money.
What’s best for the country is of more importance to me.
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Lolz, felix has just given you the only logical answer to your latest comment, i could not have put it more succinctly…
Bullshit.
You only care about the top 5%, you consider the rest of the nation wasters and disposable.
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[lprent: Do you have an Igor to help improve that crazy laugh? Bring it back when it isn’t quite so repetitive. ]
Blame BM, he’s the comedian
Now now, Felix, BM is just a lovely fellow who simply wants the best for NZ, and his comments here are simply honest and intelligent advisories on how we can all bring about the best for NZ.
He’s certainly not a lying prick shilling for a government of thieves and crooks, simply to lower his tax bill by a few percent and callous as to the tragic effect this will have on the lives of others. /sarc
I hope you remember to keep laughing when National win in October and royally fuck you and all your lefie mates in the arse as well sell this country to our bankster mates and Chinese overlords
Dan, you should write the script for Nationals election billboards…
Well Dan I’ve been laughing for the last 5 years as they’ve fucked all the idiots like yourself who voted for them against your own interests.
Correct, and that is IMPORTANT.
But the bottom 50 per cent may be better off with a $ 16 minimum wage, ideally at least a living wage, no GST on essential food and other common use items, perhaps even a universal basic income (also used as a direct tax credit for those that earn above that annual UBI amount), and a more comprehensive housing policy, than something like “Best Start”, which sounds ok, but is just another WFF type benefit, costing much to administer.
With a UBI and radical tax reform, and reducing WINZ to focus only on topping up those that have extra needs due to disability, illness, parenting, accommodation, huge amounts could be saved on bureaucracy.
They may also be better off with some comprehensive state investments (SOEs) in infrastructure projects to build better public transport, value adding production plants for agricultural products, more wind-farms, solar thermal energy generation plants, geothermal projects, with a clear strategy for boosting local manufacturing (tax holidays or reductions as incentives for businesses to set up manufacturing here), with having more comprehensive training and more accessible education, combined with high-calibre research projects to develop niche foodstuffs, to research particular areas in health and environmental areas, and so forth.
People would see this agenda as revolutionary and a game changer, targeted at the long term future of the country, rather than what Labour has presented so far, which is a patchwork of bits here and there, but not changing the system as it is.
The top 50 % (certainly top 25 to 30 %) need to be held to account and do their share to build for the future, and not get away with just planning for secure personal nest-eggs and personal savings plans, while forgetting the country.
A clear difference in policy direction to National and ACT is overdue, all else is just not going to “thrill” people that much now.
Or those surveyed are making a concerted effort to lie, just to upset the pollsters. It would be tempting if one was a green
Micky, surely your are joking?
The last FOUR polls in recent weeks have ALL showed national gaining and labour/greens declining with National being able to (or almost able to) govern alone.
According to many commenters on this site, the last 6 Years polls are rogue. Surely you aren’t going to fall into this rhetoric as well?
Denial won’t change things.
Bob you will have more credibility if you post to the right comment.
What do you mean denial, Da Nial is a river in Egypt, and yes polling for Labour is looking sharp!
Just to give the Bob above a fair go (I am guessing your lack of patience with him is due to our differring views in the past), it wasn’t me making that comment (although I completely agree with everything the other Bob has stated).
Also, national hasn’t gained the greens vote. The likely case is national have picked up labour vote and in turn labour has picked up greens vote.
Yep ….. correct!
Yawn, check the polls prior to the 2011 vote, all of them with the ‘National governing alone lies’, all wrong,
No Maori Party as the lapdog this time round children, looks a bit like the prize for the biggest opposition party under MMP is coming your way…
this, and here they are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_New_Zealand_general_election,_2011
The prize being a long Hawaiian holiday …
Lots of people think that 51% is the high point of National polling. I suspect not. The margin of error suggests that it could be currently sitting at 54.1%. That figure still seems surprisingly low. The total ineptitude of the Greens and Labour suggest that many of their supporters will not be bothered voting. As the good news keeps coming in week after week we could well be seeing a historic landslide.
Gawd, what fictional drivel you come up with fisiani.
Having said that, Labour needs to start firing up in top gear, time is a-wasting.
A new poll is out, with not very good news for the Green Party.
http://curiablog.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/one-news-colmar-brunton-poll-february-2014/
So what are the trends saying?
The trends Brett Dale are saying that colmar/national have just released another piece of propaganda which has got all the wing-nuts going from simply being heavy breathing porn watchers to being true believers that displays of public masterbation will enable national to govern alone after the vote in 2014…
bad12
I think it has the greens too low, they should be at 10%
Although I think it shows that a certain fat german has hurt the left.
“I think it has the greens too low, they should be at 10%”
Yay, the poll of Brett’s Mind is out.
Readers should be aware that Brett’s Mind has had the Greens at roughly half of their actual result for the last two elections.
felix:
The greens got 20% last election? of the party vote?
This election the greens will get 10%, they wont be as low as 8%.
And again, dotcom is hurting you guys.
Last election you said the polls were wrong about the Greens. You said they would be lucky to get 7%.
I think this poll is probably slightly high for national but not by much so National can still govern alone. If NZ first gets in then Labour is quite far from being in government.
Labour needs to adjust their strategy…
Please,please, stop with the funnies will you, my gut has just started processing dinner and the laughter is a definite interference in that process,
National heading for the prize of being the largest opposition since the beginning of MMP, even Slippery the PM couldn’t raise a smile when commenting on the latest piece of propaganda, although it was gut busting to see the PM depicted in a mural as a semi-part of a donkeys arse…
Labour needs to adjust their strategy…
Labour needs to have a strategy.
This is the problem for Labour and Greens
New Immigrants who are eligible to vote.
When new immigrants are sucked into believing that “…the Conservative Party is good for Christians, Green Party good for environment, Labour Party good for the poor and National Party good for business” then it’s obviously time for Labour to get off it’s lazy entitled ass, and start shifting that perception through clever social media advertising.
It’s the only way to shift that bitch!
National is only good for BIG business, but sucks for our entrepreneurs. Labour is the party for the workers, and wants to ensure that all workers benefit from any economic upside – National only wants the CEOs to benefit and the people that do the hard work, our everyday workers, to not receive any benefit but to be happy with the crumbs from the table.
The message should be that Labour is not ashamed to say it stands for ensuring that every person who wants to work, can, BUT should be entitled to receive a fair days wage for a fair days pay. Labour needs to be UPFRONT and thunder that it is WRONG and UNCONSCIONABLE for overseas corporations to treat New Zealand workers like COTTON PICKERS!
It’s emotive language for sure, but emotions win elections. Labour and the Greens won’t get anywhere being namby pamby and focusing on Key. KEY is the WRONG area to target. National policies needs to be ignored and Labour needs to start highlighting NOW! Stop banging on about what National has done or not, start banging on NOW!
NOW: Your wages haven’t moved in 5 years, yet the cost of living has gone up. Labour wants to ensure that you can afford to live and have enough to save for the things you want.
NOW: Your power prices are amongst the highest in the OECD. Labour wants you to stop paying so much for power, and have money for the things that matter.
NOW: New Zealand has lost too many workers in the forestry sector thanks to unregulated activities causing death. Labour wants every worker to be safe at work, and not be at risk of dying for the corporate.
NOW: There aren’t enough jobs for everyone who wants one. Labour wants people to have every opportunity to find a job, and if they can’t, help people while they look for work.
NOW: Education has become too expensive for many people. Labour believes in free education for everyone under 18 and will work to restore the right to free education.
NOW: People aren’t being fairly remunerated for a 40 hour week. Labour believes the corporates have more than enough ability to adequately compensate their employees with a fair wage.
NOW: Labour believes that New Zealanders are being targeted by overseas corporates with no regard for the true cost of living in New Zealand. Labour will work to ensure that New Zealanders are treated on a level playing field with the cost of goods and services.
It is so simple and easy to do. The soundbites are easy, and National have done fine on a “less said the better” policy when it comes to people talking about what they perceive National to be doing.
The left get sucked into believing that they need to counter the lack of concrete substance by National with a marshmallow puffed policy which is WRONG. Labours issue when they release policy is that they release far too much of it, giving their opponents grist for the mill.
Compare and CONTRAST:
National: – New policy. High performing teachers will be paid more and we’ll have special principals overlooking a number of different schools. Yada yada yada, more money but education good! Yay!
Nil critical aspect, nil detail, and just a vague outline of what they propose.
Labour: First time babies, $60 per week, except and unless, first year, second year, third year, $150,000, or not. Parental leave! Look! Details! More more details! Part time income! Working for Families! Entitlement! Everyone! Universal! Oh, no, wrong. Stop talking! Shoosh. Shucks, we flubbed it.
Too much information, too much room for interpretation.
Far better would have been: New policy: First start. All parents with babies will receive assistance and support. Further details released closer to election.
Easy! Simple! Even Paddy Gower wouldn’t have been able to fuck that up.
There are over 4 million reasons wrong with this country, where the CEO of a parasitic organisation can earn nearly 100 times more than the people that do the daily grind in the teller role, and are arguably more valuable to ANZ than the high falutin’ CEO. The tellers are the ones that keep the customers happy at the end of the day.
Labour lose the plot when it comes to articulating their vision for a better New Zealand. It’s almost like they don’t understand the KISS principle. If they did, they might be better off.
Labour needs to articulate the fact that they are the government for the PEOPLE. National are the government for OVERSEAS interests.
Sing it loud, sing it proud. No need to proffer proof. Just keep tying OVERSEAS INTERESTS back to WARNER BROTHERS – RIO TINTO – BANK OF NEW YORK (and it’s 8 million shares in our former SOE)
OVERSEAS INTERESTS = NATIONAL
NEW ZEALANDERS = LABOUR
So what do you want Kiwis? A government for New Zealand, or a Government for Overseas Interests?
Make it the boogy man. Overseas Interests are the new “Reds under the Bed”
Go forth, prosper.
+1000…. James Thrace
Gawdammit James Thrace, that was good stuff.
Thanks Tat.
I just get so frustrated and annoyed at what should be relatively simple politics and keep watching Labour stumble every time headlong into the catchers mitt that has been placed there so artfully by the likes of Gower et al.
If only Labours media managers would stop insisting on having so much policy released upfront, and stop muzzling Cunliffe or whoever from being so restrained, Labour might actually have a chance to win.
As I outlined above, the framing is right there, it’s NOW.
As we’ve seen in the last two weeks with Progressive Enterprises, the mood is right to capture New Zealanders thinking about OVERSEAS INTERESTS and definitely put the framing square onto LABOUR for NEW ZEALAND and National for OVERSEAS INTERESTS!
Easy framing, right timing.
In politics, Timing is Everything.
The Timing is Now, the framing is ready to roll.
But who the heck is going to listen? I’m just another Labour party member that has no links to the hallowed halls of hell, nor do I have any inclination to get involved with the pit of self absorption that is the local LEC.
You think Parliamentary staff get to decide which policies get released and how much and in what form? You’ve clearly never been near Parliament.
Well as I see it that’s exactly what theyre doing. Chinless wonder says what ever he wants and the only policy Labour has is regurgitated Greens policy or 1950s socialist propaganda.
Well said
Nailed it James.
simple effective slogans, used by all, ad nauseum, chimpboy, gooner and co cant twist it and the likes of mallard and goff cant grandstand with it.
I hope some deadwood gets cleared out also but thats unlikely.
Nats got in on a smile and wave with one liners , labour should do similar, the missing voters cant cope with unecessary detail, a change is what they will vote for.
That’s bloody good James.
You raise valid points there, and believe in passion being part of politics, and it surely does and must be getting its fair share.
The problem you will have with that approach is, that the MSM (mainstream media) will of course see this, and jump at it straight away, and than claim, it is just about “whipping up emotions”, but without any evidence to prove the arguments. They will take that approach to pieces, and then Labour and Greens will have to come and try and prove their arguments, and we are back to nitty gritty back and fro arguments about details, and hollowing out of what the message is meant to say.
What we have here is a repeat of the last election campaigns, where the MSM are already largely feeding the public with the usual BIASED commentary and information (no background info, no analysis, treating Key and Nats with the soft brush, and Labour and Greens with a knife and hammer), all coming from the supposedly “independent” reporters and “media personalities” (having their personal “views”), and the public hear and read little else.
The public then think, that is how it is, and hence they poll as they do, which reinforces again the conviction of the MSM that they are right with their (idiotic or manipulative) assessments. So you end up in a catch 22 situation, where polls feed and shape perception, and that again shapes commentary and views coming from the MSM, which again brings about the polls like a self fulfilling prophecy.
The challenge is to go beyond the MSM, to go and hold public meetings, run public events and campaigns, aggressively and widely use social media, and to network and meet people face to face. There is no alternative to such damned hard work, and the first thing the Labour MPs in caucus can do, is start on Monday, doing exactly that.
Visit work places, factories, council staff, drain layers, road workers, hospital nurses and doctors, people rebuilding in Christchurch, talk with the exploited foreign workers here, expose this, talk with the taxi drivers working 12 hour days for less than minimum pay per hour, talk with social workers, drug and alcohol counsellors, with stressed out teachers, with ECE workers, with beneficiaries struggling, and so forth it must go!
Clusterfuck Cunliffe is Nationals greatest asset, the only thing saving him is Norman collapsing greens support by sucking up to the fat German fraudster.
I don’t think you’re a ‘naki man at all. I bet you went to Auckland Grammar.
You could be onto something there felix, looks more like a Nakahi Man to me…
If he’s a ‘Naki’ man, then he’s only a thirty-something jerk, probably from Taranaki but not yet a man. It’s talk from the same generation as the ‘hard-core’ bullshit used to sell tee-shirts.
Deconstructing his moniker is a tediously embarrassing business for anybody who’s actually lived an adult-hood in the place.
Of course if Naki man was actually Taranaki man with the emphasis on the Tara from the more oblique usage of that particular word in some tribal dialects i could well believe Him to be that…
This denial is hilarious.
the johnkey donkey mural was funnier. i’m trying to get a good screen capture so share the laughs. & the look on keys face when he had to sign its arse, hilarious!
Lolz there are some extremely clever kids in Slippery’s electorate, the mouthful of tea ended up expelled all over the place when i got a look at that…
SSLands, what the hell are you on about now, have not i told you on numerous occassions to stay off the internet when you have been on the bottle all day,
Commenting when your pissed just makes you come across as more ludicrous than normal, i know that for you is probably a badge of honor as you seem incapable of anything but the ludicrous but you should have a small modicum of shame even in your drunken state,
My advice of course is in your best interests as you should cease to turn up for your employment as a minor bean counting serf in your lonely little bean counters cubicle with a raging and patently obvious whisky hangover as despite your thinking otherwise your employment is far from assured into the future with your boss looking to increase profits by cutting out the under-performers,
Is there any truth to the rumor that you consider your employment status to be safe during the upcoming restructuring of the company you are a serf for because as far as the boss is concerned you out of all the slaves gives the best blow-jobs…
I was looking forward to the Roy Morgan poll (a poll that the folks here seem to place a lot of faith in) showing Labour clawing back some ground, but unfortunately it showed gains to the Nats. The lack of discussion on this borad re the RM poll said it all. This latest poll reinforces National’s position, albeit with a different Left distribution. No matter how you slice & dice it, the CB poll is not good news for the Left, and Cunliffe slipping in the preferred PM stakes is a concern also (I can’t recall what Shearer was polling when he was rolled).
IMO Labour are spending too much time attacking the Nats, and not enough time & energy promoting their own policy. Also, with the exception of recent performances from Jones, Labour don’t seem to have any depth to their team. What happened to the energy that Robertson exhibited during the leadership contest? If Cunliffe is struggling in the popularity stakes, his team need to step up, take some of the heat and show some passion, engage in intelligent & positive dialogue with the MSM, and act like a team that is capable of leading NZ.
Ben Hur, faith in the Roy Morgan, you have that slightly wrong, the Roy Morgan is of much more interest to us political junkies as it is produced on a far greater number of occasions than the other media polls and thus makes an interesting watch for ‘the trend’,
Faith though is a measurement of respect in what is clearly a neutral polling organization and i for one have seen none of them recently which includes the Morgan poll in the none of them,
Gary Morgan, son of Roy, and the current named proprietor of the Roy Morgan polling organization is heavily invested in Australian mining interests and if you think that such interests can fit in with a polling company being unbiased i fear for your sanity…
WRONG. The Nats and their acolytes are doing the attacking. And what’s more the claims are bogus lies and the MSM know it. Still, they let them get away with it. Labour and the Greens are the parties releasing damm good policies. By and large, the MSM are ignoring them – mind bogglingly concentrating on petty issues instead.
The Nats have got their policy out there and understood, so arguably have the time to attack the Left. It will be interesting to see if there is any fallout with Bradbury stating that he talks with Cunliffe, and the fact (and therefore linkage) that Bradbury was in the pay of Dot Com.
National’s policy is a simple one: “let us keep what we’re doing, you can see it’s working”.
Labour hasn’t yet come up with a single thing to counter it.
Labour policies like turning people on $149k into beneficiaries and Greens policy like subsidised
PV panels that are not cost effective, there is no need to tell lies these clowns are shooting themselves in the foot.
“turning people on $149k into beneficiaries “
That’s what you said about Working for Families. Don’t see National getting rid of it though.
ps people on 149k are already beneficiaries.
Yep, Anne, you got it!
The MSM is corporate dominated, the top media bosses, the editors, the “media personalities”, they are clearly in their vast majority having a personal bias towards maintaining the status quo! And now APN have even bought the majority or total share holding of what was the Radio Network (1ZB and so forth).
Just having listened to the conversations about the Shane Taurima incident or “scandal” at TVNZ, and how that was commented on by many, that sent shivers down my spine. The majority of the private media journalists and moderators try to portray themselves as “independent” and TVNZ and Radio NZ as “left leaning”. And they get away with it. Even Radio NZ disappointed me a bit with their last summary of this on Media Watch:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2586711/mediawatch-for-23-february-2014
A shocker to me was the last Focus on Politics program last Friday, and how that started, almost showing National in the best of light to fight poverty and social problems!? Hear it here, if you did not:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2586637/poverty-and-inequality-looming-as-big-debate-of-election-year
I did not hear the whole of Insight this morning, but I think it also tried to be overly “balanced” (careful to not upset the government) to report on how the public service have been treated under this government, and that is on Radio NZ National:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2586566/insight-for-23-february-2014-public-service-survival
Forget TVNZ, they are now so scared to say or present anything that may just slightly show Labour or Greens in a positive light, being “scared” by the reports of mostly private media persons, that they are “left leaning” and prone to bias. So the MSM is anything but helpful, it will NOT be useful to communicate to the public what matters, they are not going to do their job!
But despite of this, I am still flabber-ghasted why Labour and Greens do not hammer Bennett on welfare issues, of which there are a many, and I know that others (besides myself) have sent some of the MPs a fair bit of very revealing, useful information, which is probably sitting and gathering dust, or has been deleted as too complex email communication.
What they do wrong is going on about the same again and again and again, slogan like, but not expand the line of attack, and not fire with studied information, questions and arguments. Some of them are in my view not capable of doing their jobs, simple fact.
Jones is the stand out performer. The rest of the talentless bunch just have their nose in the trough.
The elephant in the room: why hasn’t David Cunliffe (and Labour) purged the likes of Phil Goff, Annette King and the treacherous Trevor Mallard? Why do these old-timers continue warming the benches and doing nothing sweet fuck all?
Why do these old-timers continue warming the benches and doing nothing sweet fuck all?
I’m guessing its the pay, privileges and perks…doesn’t matter what side of the house you’re on
keep stirring, your reputation might be overwhelmed by somenone’s confirmation bias and they’ll care about what YOU say regarding the labour caucus.
Unless a miracle happens New Zealand is looking to another three years of a National-Act government. There is time for a change, but it is running out quickly.
Note the 11% undecided. Seems a lot?
About three times the usual
Good point,a lot depends on how the pollsters frame the questions to those prepared to respond, of course if you were planning on having a fiddle with the outcome after the poll had been taken the ‘undecided’ column would be a good place to start…
It is alot, what that means is of the 11% there are plenty of voters not happy with National and are holding out to see what policies come out from Labour. You can count on NZF voters not wanting a National deal done.
The Greens are losing cred by both the Dotcom support and Norman has soiled his previous good work by engaging in a silly tussle with God Botherer Collin Craig. The Greens are better off keeping their head down and remaining silent, coming out when they have sensible things to say. People voted NZF last election because Peters is a one man wrecking ball. Look for Winston to come out boxing and trim National back in popularity. A scandal exposing Key, further slamming the assets sale with the GE sale and the aftermath with price hikes, and the total costs of the ticket clippers from across the ditch.
Once the interest rates start to climb and China clips Nationals wings with a strategic drop in bidding for our milk powder causing the price to slump. China will not be happy with Key and his sucking up to Uncle Sam. The TPPA is heavy weighted in the Yanks favour and we are in China’s part of the globe, we are going to get a sharp reminder of this very soon.
James,
I don’t think anti foreign companies is quite the right way to approach that for a major party. It works better in the hands of Winston and he will just out xenophobe you.
I think instead you can just focus on Big corporations, in particular dodgy advertising but also other practices.
The pitch can be a much stronger and much more aggressive commerce commission. Find some illegal stuff then say you need broarder laws to catch the similar but marginally legal activities.
In the same theme one could go after tax loopholes etc. Maybe use closing them as revenue source in a way that will catch the public’s attention.
In terms of all the normal policies – the 2 key things for labour to win is
1) for it to sell itself as being responsible party of government – So it needs to look fiscally responsible to the public – more so as often as possible than national. (eg push the super issue as a cost).
2) It also needs to distance itself from the Greens and sell the idea that it can control the greens. Because the swing voters fear greens.
Hmm .. am not sure what Labour will really stand for and what next will happen with maintaining the entitlement age for super, given that the new ACT leader is now pushing for the increase.
John Key and National’s dirty work already being done by ACT … and David Parker?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1402/S00327/australia-faces-reality-while-new-zealand-ignores-it.htm