Open mike 26/03/2019

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1. WeTheBleeple 1

   26 March 2019 at 7:24 am

   Barry Soper is a piece of shit liar.

   ” Peters says it was a much shorter version of the video he’d been showing at earlier rallies and besides, his rhetoric had changed, he was now much more benign about New Zealand”

   That’s not true though is it Barry. You’re not even a journalists asshole.

   You leave the country thinking they’re still targets because political vendettas for cash and clickbait is all you have to offer.
   • WeTheBleeple 1.1

     26 March 2019 at 8:09 am

     I got to get back into some morning meditation. I have every right to be annoyed at Soper and other journos as:

     These are the people with a voice; they should also bear a responsibility to truth.

     But I’m still sounding kneejerk, too quick off the mark.

     Rain in South and heading North.

     Take care out there and have a wonderful Tuesday.
     • Ankerrawsharkal 1.1.1

       26 March 2019 at 8:29 am

       We the bleeple. Loved your second comment and agreed with your first.
   • Skunk Weed 1.2

     26 March 2019 at 8:18 am

     Soper can not help putting the boot into Winston again, dementia has really set in with this old white coote ?
     • Tuppence Shrewsbury 1.2.1

       26 March 2019 at 11:53 am

       Racist, homophobic, transphobic.

       Real peice of work aren’t you? Especially with your super duper cool guy handle.

       Winston is older and dodderier than soper

       Edit : not sure why I’m in moderation?

       [Looks like you changed your name slightly. I have deleted the “i” at the end. Now released – MS]
       • Tuppence Shrewsbury 1.2.1.1

         26 March 2019 at 3:56 pm

         Thanks MS. The desktop version on my smartphone is extremely sensitive when scrolling and the cursor defaults to the name box when a reply is activated. Not a biggie but catches you out if unwary
   • Skunk Weed 1.3

     26 March 2019 at 8:23 am

     Soper needs to change the colour of his pills me thinks ?
2. Robert Guyton 2

   26 March 2019 at 7:44 am

   Last night, it rained and rained and rained; a fine and steady fall that kept on and on.
   Today, I’m making blackboards from plywood and paint; green in fact, but made for the purpose. We’re keen to keep the presentations at the permaculture hui low-tech, so with only chalk and a board for the presenter, there’ll be no Death-by-Powerpoint!
   • vto 2.1

     26 March 2019 at 8:55 am

     Ha excellent Robert… like most technologies there is some myth at play… like putting together a power point thing is faster than blackboard and chalk?? I don’t think so. In the same way cash is faster than eftpos… a hard copy diary is quicker than scrolling thru a screen… like pretty much anything ….

     much ‘technology’ is a myth. In fact, much of it isn’t even technology, it’s just the same old pasted together in electronics instead. It’s nothing new, just formatted differently.

     the other myth around ‘technology’ is that its claimed faster speed makes our lives better …. I don’t think so …. it just makes our lives speedier …

     a 2c rant
     • Robert Guyton 2.1.1

       26 March 2019 at 9:34 am

       That’s often the case, vto, in my experience. I’m planning to have the menu for each evening meal written on slate! I collected hundreds of slates from the roof of an old building here years ago and now will be their moment in the sun 🙂
       • vto 2.1.1.1

         26 March 2019 at 9:56 am

         Nice. Can’t beat the touch and feel of something earthen. …
3. WeTheBleeple 3

   26 March 2019 at 7:50 am

   The simple act of helping others pulled me out of my head and own worries and back to Earth. I highly recommend reaching out to your community if you are still struggling to emerge from your shock and grief.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUo4KcCVsU&feature=youtu.be

   I have been expert at avoiding cameras for some time. They filmed my back for one second. Still good at avoiding cameras. There may be a career for me in paparazzi training for celebs.
   • Robert Guyton 3.1

     26 March 2019 at 8:21 am

     Interesting to compare the architecture of the mosque and Mitre10 Mega.
     Great initiative too and incidentally an effective way to work-around council rules for planting on berms. They ain’t gonna complain 🙂
     • WeTheBleeple 3.1.1

       26 March 2019 at 8:34 am

       Haha. What a choice observation.

       We had armed Police looking on so I reckon we’ll be ok – or not a leg to stand on!

       I’m really liking the permie folks I’m meeting up here, some I’ve known previously in the rock and roll industry. Who’d a thought, permie rockers!

       I’m a lot less hangry sounding in real life 😉
       • Robert Guyton 3.1.1.1

         26 March 2019 at 8:39 am

         Who’s the bloke with the tats on his arms; was he an organiser? I seem to recognise him.
         • WeTheBleeple 3.1.1.1.1

           26 March 2019 at 8:55 am

           Damian? Terrible at names but I did get it. He’s wanting to come onto the PDC next year. From Waihi. Nice guy.
   • reason 3.2

     26 March 2019 at 9:39 am

     I’ve joined this mens dance club …. as music …. and bit of dance is good for the body and soul.

     The blokes in it all have a good sence of humor ….. but if you step on toes three times …. they time out you for 10 mins on the back wall 🙂

     I’m the one with the beard 😉
     • reason 3.2.1

       26 March 2019 at 9:41 am
4. aom 4

   26 March 2019 at 8:05 am

   Great timing by Al Jazeera: ‘How to sell a massacre: NRA’s playbook, revealed’.
   • WeTheBleeple 4.1

     26 March 2019 at 8:13 am

     Here’s the link to Al Jazeera’s piece.

     “How do you respond to a deadly mass shooting if you are a gun rights advocate?

     First, “Say nothing.” If media queries persist, go on the “offence, offence, offence”. Smear gun-control groups. “Shame them” with statements such as – “How dare you stand on the graves of those children to put forward your political agenda?” ”

     https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
     • Skunk Weed 4.1.1

       26 March 2019 at 8:21 am

       Evidently gun shooting and deaths have gone down in recent years someone was telling me ?
       • Andre 4.1.1.1

         26 March 2019 at 8:34 am

         Y’know, you could actually develop some research skills of your own.

         But now that you’ve sprayed some random reckons, actual facts are needed.

         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#/media/File:1999-2016_Gun-related_deaths_USA.png
     • WeTheBleeple 4.1.2

       26 March 2019 at 9:22 am

       I’d call this (above, Al Jazeera, NRA playbook) a MUST READ.

       What I’m seeing in the youtube and other comments sections from ill informed pro-trumper types and trolls is a common script. I figured this came from the media. It does. And this media is generated by professional spin doctors in or aligned with the NRA.

       A false narrative designed to sell guns. And as we’ve seen alongside it, another darker narrative emerging, the spreading of chaos.

       This chaos sells fear, and more guns, and keeps us distracted from the political/corporate skulduggery of Disaster Capitalists. You can learn about Disaster Capitalism from Naomi Klein.

       “I think it’s a basic principle of journalism to follow the money” – Naomi Klein.
   • soddenleaf 4.2

     26 March 2019 at 1:03 pm

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
     Does displaying the shocking event of last week, to promote your re-election, count as ghoulish behaviour?
   • Cinny 4.3

     26 March 2019 at 1:13 pm

     + 100%

     Haven’t seen it yet, will watch it tonight.
5. reason 5

   26 March 2019 at 8:25 am

   Trump politics …. Benjamines for the big boys ….. money for war … hate on the foreign

   and poor.

   “In the last two or three years, encouraged and legitimized by candidate and then President Donald Trump, anti-Semitism has been on the rise alongside virulent racism, extreme misogyny, xenophobia, Islamophobia and homophobia. Trump praised the “fine people” among the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) and Nazi sympathizers who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia”

   “For the second time this year, Donald Trump has retweeted a message from an apparent neo-Nazi, raising troubling questions about his judgment and the ideology of some of his supporters.”

   a speech Trump had given a few days earlier — praising the (apocryphal) methods of a U.S. general in dispensing with Muslim opponents in the Philippine-American War — was still playing on conservative radio. “He took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pig’s blood,” he’d told the crowd. “And he had his men load their rifles, and he lined up the 50 people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said: ‘You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened.’ ”

   Then a Heroic young Muslim woman Ilhan Omar steps out of line …. repeatably

   “Omar shook up the Washington foreign policy establishment by challenging veteran warmonger and genocide denier Elliot Abrams, he of Iran-Contra and El Salvador death squads infamy, …” “about his new role as the Trump administration’s point man on Venezuela.”

   And both sides turned on her when she dared discus the real foreign power in US politics …” in response to this tweet “Would love to know who Ilhan thinks is paying American politicians to be pro-Israel,” Omar tweeted again “AIPAC.”

   ”
   “President Trump got his jabs in on Saturday: “We have people in Congress that hate our country,” he said, before implying that these people were immigrants. Given that Omar is one of only 14 immigrant members of Congress, and Trump then called her out by name in a tweet two days later, the allusion was none too subtle. None of the Congress members who have accused Omar of anti-Semitism has voiced a word criticizing the president for such dog-whistle xenophobia”

   The Democrats joined in … worried about their Benjamins .

   “Congressional Democrats are attempting to discipline Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar for speaking critically about the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) — and more generally in defense of Palestinian rights — after smearing her as “anti-Semitic.” This comes at the same time that Omar, one of the only Muslim representatives in Congress, has been targeted for death threats and Islamophobic propaganda likening her to those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.”

   Ilhan Omar is a friend to all who believe in human rights … for all….. she speaks truth to power.

   Its a shame a poster here joined in the attempted smearing of her as an anti Semite yesterday ….. and worse.

   I can’t vote for her …. but we should all support her cause of tolerance and respect for all humans…..

   “NAOMI KLEIN, Ilan Pappé, Ronnie Kasrils, Sarah Jaffe, Rebecca Vilkomerson and many more say: We are Jews who stand with Representative Ilhan Omar.”

   https://theintercept.com/2019/02/28/exclusive-ilhan-omar-speaks-out-on-her-twitter-scandal-anti-semitism-and-a-progressive-foreign-policy/

   https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1108844717909909504
6. Andre 6

   26 March 2019 at 8:28 am

   A good read about the intersection of issues and personalities from the perspective of a door-knocker.

   When political volunteers are knocking on doors, they’re not hawking a bag of issues. They are representing a human being, to voters who want people in power who understand people like them.

   That’s quite a different perspective than assuming the nation is full of swing voters just waiting for the low-tax, low-ambition centrist of their dreams. But it’s also far distant from the claim that America is full of passionate Leftist non-voters who have waited years for the revolutionary platform that will pull them to the polls.

   https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/3/25/18275868/2020-presidential-election-midterms-democrats-candidate-progressive-base
7. Andre 7

   26 March 2019 at 9:45 am

   I see the Trots has had a bit of a rectal spray over at Bowelly Rd about Davidson and Ghahraman starting up some kind of anti-racism effort. I’ve had a very brief search for more info and come up empty, anyone got any more info? Thanks.

   http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/03/those-who-do-not-learn-lessons-of.html
   • Ad 7.1

     26 March 2019 at 10:01 am

     Were you in NZ during the early Clark PM years?
     • Andre 7.1.1

       26 March 2019 at 10:07 am

       Yes, I returned to NZ in March 99. So yes, I’ve got a moderately interested outsider’s awareness of Anderton and the Alliance ructions.

       Right now though, I’m more interested in finding out more about what The Trots is painting as a substantial organised effort from Ghahraman and Davidson that so far I’ve seen and heard nothing about. Or maybe The Trots is trying to puff up something that simply isn’t there.
       • Ad 7.1.1.1

         26 March 2019 at 10:29 am

         Those years from late 1980s to late ’90s are Trotter’s ideological and emotional home. The hard left do splinter under shalliw fault lines , so the warning is real if overstated.

         Green discipline through the Royal Commission will be tough as it intersects over their Carbon Zero negotiations. Tough to suck it up, but suck it up they must.
         • WeTheBleeple 7.1.1.1.1

           26 March 2019 at 11:49 am

           “Green discipline through the Royal Commission will be tough as it intersects over their Carbon Zero negotiations. Tough to suck it up, but suck it up they must.”

           I must be daft. That sentence makes no sense to me at all.
           • Ad 7.1.1.1.1.1

             26 March 2019 at 12:32 pm

             Royal Commission politics will be hard-right.

             Carbon Zero bill politics is hard left.

             Greens want green policy gains, but may be tempted by anti-Security policy gains.

             They can’t get both. Esp after the post -attack climate.
             • WeTheBleeple …

               26 March 2019 at 12:37 pm

               I don’t feel I’ve learned anything at all.

               A royal commission is hard right politics?

               Preventing/mitigating climate change is hard left politics?

               I think you are completely out of touch.

               You could ask some schoolchildren what’s up.

               https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_strike_for_climate

               https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/102276176/us-students-stage-school-walkouts-to-protest-gun-violence
               • Ad …

                 26 March 2019 at 1:18 pm

                 There are no schoolchildren in parliament.
                 Nor do schoolchildren vote.
                 Nor do they report into the mainstream media.
                 In fact they have very little political effect at all.

                 A Royal Commission into the intelligence services is going to be cutting deep into the hard core of the most conservative parts of the public service. It will be cutting into Andrew Little as well since he’s defending them. And the hard left within the Greens from Davidson and Gharaman are making their views clear about what they want from such a Royal Commission already.

                 The Carbon Zero bill and the climate commission’s powers are under hot contest from National at the moment. You would have noticed the commentary from them surely.

                 What you are pointing to is your ability to be swayed by sweet saccarine emotion about the political impact of children, but no idea about the forces at play coming up in Wellington.

                 It is perfectly evident why you don’t learn anything at all.
                 • WeTheBleeple …

                   26 March 2019 at 2:25 pm

                   “The Carbon Zero bill and the climate commission’s powers are under hot contest from National at the moment.”

                   Surely not!

                   You say Davidson and Gharaman are the HARD left? How hard are we talking?

                   Would it be foolish to challenge them to an arm wrestle?

                   Could they arm wrestle the Royal Commission while James does his Climate Change thing?

                   You said it yourself, I am “swayed by sweet saccarine emotion about the political impact of children, but no idea”

                   And you wrote – a poem? A nursery rhyme?

                   ‘There are no schoolchildren in parliament.
                   Nor do schoolchildren vote.
                   Nor do they report into the mainstream media.
                   In fact they have very little political effect at all.’

                   Even the children are getting organised against BAU these days. Some folks will do anything to pretend it aint so.

                   I’ve even heard it on good authority there was a baby in the UN.
                   • Poission …

                     26 March 2019 at 3:10 pm

                     i’ve even heard it on good authority there was a baby in the UN.

                     Good authority suggests that you do not expose babies to high levels of radiation 40-70 times the ground readings

                     https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/06/15/what-is-e-rad/
                 • Poission …

                   26 March 2019 at 3:05 pm

                   Well the member for Mt Albert has one of the lowest youth enrollments in the country.

                   https://www.elections.org.nz/research-statistics/enrolment-statistics-electorate?name=Mt+Albert
                   • Robert Guyton …

                     26 March 2019 at 3:12 pm

                     They’re just holding of to build suspense.
                   • WeTheBleeple …

                     26 March 2019 at 3:33 pm

                     You mean the 54% Mt Albert 18 – 24 group vs their national average of 63%.

                     Don’t look at central Auckland and Nikki Kaye’s 21% of this group enrolled though. Or your wildly off topic point sounds a bit naff.
             • reason …

               26 March 2019 at 7:16 pm

               Kittridge should be sacked …. seeing she does not have the decency to resign.

               ” A young New Zealand Muslim who believes she was profiled as a “jihadi bride” says comments by the SIS and the Prime Minister about women travelling to Iraq and Syria are scaremongering. ” https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/373631/i-m-not-a-jihadi-bride

               Hand in hand with John Key she used inflammatory “Jihadi bride” labeling … which conjurers the image … and fear of Muslim female terrorists / suicide bomber s.

               Very shitty and reckless considering the NZ Muslim community had no ” Jihadi brides” …

               Because she did not resign and do the runner like Key .,… She should be sacked for her reckless and shitty attack …. before we even get onto her failure to protect.

               “Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said Key and Kitteridge had “misled the nation”.

               She called on the pair to apologise to Muslim women.

               “This is John Key using spy agencies, yet again, for his own political purposes. He misled New Zealanders into thinking that there were large numbers of Muslim women leaving New Zealand to go to Islamic State.

               “That is not true.”

               She said the claims were “denigrating” for an already vulnerable community.

               Turei said she though Key made the statement, to make it easier for a review into spy agency laws to recommend boosting SIS and GCSB powers. ”

               https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/77967537/reports-new-zealand-jihadi-brides-all-left-from-australia

               The first thing We should be reviewing is who gets the sack ,,,,followed by disengaging from that white supremacist warmongers club we are in…. stop riding on the coat tails of the ‘ ‘master nation’ … cease keeping an eye on those lesser people, who do not obey …. ‘ the masa ‘.

               Being in Masa s little lynch mob of 5 … brings nothing but shame and dishonor upon us .

               We are New Zealand …. we kill three year olds and call them Taliban.

               Masa don’t mind though …. nits make lice, is his exceptional motto .
   • marty mars 7.2

     26 March 2019 at 2:37 pm

     This?

     https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/24-03-2019/as-aroha-ripples-across-nz-let-us-pledge-never-to-go-back-to-the-way-we-were/
     • Andre 7.2.1

       26 March 2019 at 2:54 pm

       I’m looking for what prompted The Trots to spray out

       …Davidson and Ghahraman should, therefore, ask themselves what Labour’s reaction will be if its internal polling shows their New-Zealand-Is-A-Profoundly-Racist-Society campaign is causing the Greens to haemorrhage votes in a fatal fashion?

       While they’re at it, they should probably also ask themselves what use National and Act are likely to make of their We-Are-All-Guilty campaign. Do they really think the right of New Zealand politics is going to refuse to take advantage of the anger and disgust generated by what many (perhaps most) voters will characterise as a cheap-and-nasty attempt to capitalise politically on a terrible and unprecedented tragedy? Do they not see that what they are doing, and clearly intend to go on doing, is helping the Right to get back in the game?…

       Davidson’s comments you’ve just linked to are frankly somewhat generic and anodyne, given the circumstances (sorry). So are Davidson’s and Ghahraman’s speeches on the Greens website (sorry again). They don’t look to me anywhere close to controversial enough to prompt what The Trots wrote.
     • reason 7.2.2

       26 March 2019 at 8:34 pm

       + 100 Marty

       This terrorist attack and mass murder of New Zealand Muslims has revealed some of the most beautiful displays of tragic love , saddness and lack of hostility that one could ever hope to encounter in the whole of humanity.
       From your link ….
       “People just came.

       And every single person was made to feel welcome and loved by the mosque, no matter what they were wearing.

       Our Muslim hosts were at pains to ensure people could find shade, that people could sit who needed to sit, that we were given water and food. They wanted us all to feel included because they sensed that for some, it was awkward and we just didn’t know what to do.

       Every single person that had come had done so in good faith and with love in their hearts for the tragedy that took our country’s breath away. ”

       I’ve linked a lot to the 50 lives thread in twitter which displays the same elevation of human spirit and goodness …. and lack of hate in the face of such ugly violence which stole and maimed their beautiful loved ones.

       So sad and so beautiful ,,,,,,,, I’ve been humbled to tears.

       Such is the contrast between our Muslim brother and sisters conduct …. and the deranged hate spewing conduct of usa online Lynch mobs

       That sterotypes are shattered and reversed …. the good guys ( usa ) are sick ugly killers of the master race type

       I’m paranoid fake Muslim accounts, created and run by neo con or zionist trolls … may make false ” die kaffir ” type posts … because our Muslims are not making them.

       Money from weapons and war will be lost ….. if we recognize them as humans … who are just like us .

       For those who think I am over egging it ,….. check out the usa sickness directed at a young Muslim woman /

       Trigger warning … Trigger Warming … Trigger warning

       clicking on the ” people talking about this ” … will take you to a very ugly angry place

       https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1108844717909909504
   • greywarshark 7.3

     26 March 2019 at 3:22 pm

     Andre that’s really offensive about Chris Trotter, I presume, and about political matters from you. If it reflects the state of your mind it is factual, and puts in doubt your ability to offer reasoned opinions.
     • Andre 7.3.1

       26 March 2019 at 3:33 pm

       Would you care to salvage The Trots’ honour by pointing to what Ghahraman and Davidson have said and/or done to justify what he said about them? He didn’t provide any examples, and I had a look and didn’t find anything.

       If there isn’t good substantiation for his attacks on Davidson and Ghahraman, then what he’s said is really fucking offensive and damaging. Even if there is substantiation, it was lazy and rude of him not to provide links to it in his piece.
       • veutoviper 7.3.1.1

         26 March 2019 at 3:45 pm

         Andre, I understand where you are coming from. My understanding is that the Auckland vigil last weekend became somewhat political with some people walking out etc as they felt it was too soon for some of the things said. In terms of links here is a link to one Herald article on this aspect which does not provide much detail and it was also updated a day later:

         https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215680

         https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215860

         A few more possibles here in this search

         https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1LDJZ_enNZ499&biw=1024&bih=724&tbs=qdr%3Aw&ei=MI-ZXOGeJJj_rQGVtYjwDQ&q=auckland+vigil+walkout&oq=auckland+vigil+walkout&gs_l=psy-ab.12…0.0..12121…0.0..0.0.0…….0……gws-wiz.Dc29IlWJGNE

         I will leave my comments at that as I basically left here at the end of Feb.
         • Andre 7.3.1.1.1

           26 March 2019 at 4:05 pm

           Thanks veutoviper. I can’t see how any of the things in those reports could possibly be stretched to make grounds for what The Trots wrote.

           For what it’s worth, I value the facts and perspective you bring. But I know it can also be hard work. Please, look after yourself, and if looking after yourself includes trips back here, I for one will be reading what you have to say.
         • patricia bremner 7.3.1.1.2

           26 March 2019 at 5:14 pm

           veutoviper, Your contributions are always welcome. You have been missed. I am walking with a walking stick. On my way to independence. Please keep fit.x
           • Anne 7.3.1.1.2.1

             26 March 2019 at 5:29 pm

             I fear patricia bremner that someone has upset veutoviper. I could be wrong, but we have a few people here whose style is confronting, arrogant and sometimes downright rude. I reference the one who calls himself “Sam” as an example.

             I suspect TS has lost quite a few top line commenters (like vv) due to having been on the receiving end of unnecessarily offensive remarks about their contributions.
     • solkta 7.3.2

       26 March 2019 at 4:10 pm

       Seems reasonable to me. Trotter no like those mayorees and other ‘identity people’.
   • Psycho Milt 7.4

     26 March 2019 at 3:42 pm

     This is just Trotter hearing opinions he disagrees with and blowharding it into a “campaign” by the people who’ve dared to express their opinion – in this case, a proposed “New-Zealand-Is-A-Profoundly-Racist-Society campaign” and “We-Are-All-Guilty campaign.”

     Go searching for these “campaigns” the Green MPs are running and all you find is a couple of quotes.

     Marama Davidson said:

     “New Zealand was founded on the theft of land, language and identity of indigenous people. This land we are standing on is land we were violently removed from to uphold the same agenda that killed the people in the mosques yesterday.”

     And Golriz Ghahraman said:

     “The truth is that this happened here, and it began with hate speech, allowed to spread here online. History has taught us that hate speech is a slippery slope to atrocity,” she said.

     “The truth is that we as politicians, and I mean on all sides of this House, are also responsible.”

     “There sit among us those who have for years fanned the flames of division in here and out there. Blamed migrants for our housing crisis.

     “There sits among us here [those] who deliberately spread hysteria about the UN Migration Compact,” Ghahraman said.

     “We’ve pandered to the gratuitous racism by shock jocks on breakfast shows to raise our own profile,” she said.

     Ghahraman said the Christchurch mosque gunman’s plans for Friday’s shootings went unchecked by authorities.

     “White supremacy was not seen as a pressing threat, even as some in the Muslim community were.

     “Although this man happened to have not been born in New Zealand, we do need to acknowledge the truth that his ideology does exist in pockets here. Our ethnic communities, refugees, and tangata whenua have been telling us this for years. They’ve been reporting this for years.

     “I know it as my daily truth as a politician. I receive all the barrage of hate online. I receive the threats – the death threats, the rape threats, and the threats of gun violence, online.

     “Every minority in New Zealand knows this as a little bit of our truth. So now we have to pause and listen.”

     That’s it, folks. Two opinions by two MPs is Trotter’s imagined “campaign” that’s going to tear the Green Party apart. To quote the great Johnny Rotten, “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?”
     • Andre 7.4.1

       26 March 2019 at 3:51 pm

       Ah. Thank you. If that’s all The Trots is basing his piece on, then I stand by the first sentence of my comment at 7, and merely regret I didn’t word it more strongly.
8. corodale 8

   26 March 2019 at 9:55 am

   Silk Road to Golan Heights, Chinese Sovereign Rights!
   • corodale 8.1

     26 March 2019 at 10:02 am

     Italy takes a shine to China’s New Silk Road
     https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47640196

     Call for EU veto as Germany eyes Italy’s China deal warily …
     [Search domain http://www.thelocal.it/20190324/call-for-eu-veto-as-germany-eyes-italys-china-deal-warily%5D https://www.thelocal.it/20190324/call-for-eu-veto-as-germany-eyes-italys-china-deal-war

     Italy signs massive deal with China despite cautions from …
     [Search domain http://www.rt.com/news/454577-italy-china-silk-road/%5D https://www.rt.com/news/454577-italy-china-silk-road/
   • Peter Christchurch NZ 8.2

     26 March 2019 at 10:55 am

     This is surely a good thing for Europe, giving as it does improved access to the huge and increasingly wealthy Chinese market. Fears about being swamped by cheap Chinese goods that will further destroy European manufacturers is overstated.

     Increasingly, in the years ahead, China will no longer be the cheap source of everything. That is already fast being eclipsed by India and various African nations. And of course the China Empire (for an empire it certainly is) will face its own nightmare in Xinjiang and Xizang, with Xinjiang quite likely facing a future like Chechnya .
9. Ad 9

   26 March 2019 at 9:56 am

   Now that the Royal Commission and commemorative events are in train, could this government start doing the pre-budget announcements proper please?
   • Peter Christchurch NZ 9.1

     26 March 2019 at 10:56 am

     Yes, time to go down the pub and write them on the back of a beer coaster, same as they did with policy pre-election!
   • Exkiwiforces 9.2

     26 March 2019 at 12:01 pm

     Yeah mate, I’m in the same boat as well as I’m waiting for some news out Ronnie’s office IRT DCP and DCP funding under this government which was meant to have out late last yr, but was push back to March of this year.

     Next big ticket items are the C130 and B757 replacement, especially the C130’s as they officially run out of hrs in the next 3-4 yrs and Lockheed won’t support the C130’s after that as well as they would be in uncharted territory. The Boeing’s have another 5- 10 yrs on them before they either need a MLU/LEP or replacement which would be cheaper over the medium to long term than a MLU/ LEP.

     The Southern Ocean Patrol Vessel and the possible FOB/ New Permanent Naval base in either in the Dunedin area or in Bluff.

     There was something else as well, but I can’t remember what it was atm.
10. Exkiwiforces 10

    26 March 2019 at 11:40 am

    Some more good news on KiwiRail, with more workers being hired at the Hutt and Hillside workshops.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385578/kiwirail-hunts-for-skilled-staff-after-influx-of-work

    Must find my latest copy of the Rail Observer for more tit bits of news on KiwiRail to post.
11. Kevin 11

    26 March 2019 at 11:49 am

    Run over a cyclist and kill them and you walk away.

    Fleece people of their money and they lock you up quick smart and keep you in as long as possible.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111546503/nzs-largest-ever-ponzi-fraudster-deemed-too-risky-to-be-released-from-prison
12. Andre 12

    26 March 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Example #5281 of why Mitch McConnell is actually a bigger problem than the gibbering baboon flinging its faeces at the Oval Office walls. He has the power to just block almost anything he doesn’t like from even being looked at by the Senate.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-block-democrats-mueller-report-public_n_5c9947cde4b0f7bfa1b56bc5
    • Ad 12.1

      26 March 2019 at 12:48 pm

      Trump will get a 4 point spike, rule it over the MSM, and keep his base electrified.

      Dems have to do the work.
    • joe90 12.2

      26 March 2019 at 1:14 pm

      The prick is going to try to settle some scores over Mueller’s probe.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-25/trump-says-people-behind-mueller-probe-will-be-looked-at

      https://deadline.com/2019/03/trump-blacklists-swalwell-brennan-blumenthal-nadler-tv-news-producers-1202582393/
      • millsy 12.2.1

        26 March 2019 at 4:42 pm

        I have said it before, and will say it again – the USA is headed for another civil war, after which a Gilead-style theocracy with a pure free market economy will be imposed.
      • Jenny - How to get there? 12.2.2

        26 March 2019 at 8:13 pm

        The logic of the politics of hate

        Trump’s original campaign for the US Presidency was marked by him leading chants of “Lock ’em Up”. Referring to his political enemies.

        I don’t think his next election campaign will be any different.

        The difference this time; following his re-election President Trump will act on his threats.
13. Kay 13

    26 March 2019 at 2:11 pm

    Walked by the local mosque on the way home just now. Said hello to the cop with the gun which turned into both of us commiserating about the fact that he had to be there at all holding said gun- “this isn’t NZ” he said. Another member of the public suddenly appeared with a coffee for him in appreciation for the job he’s having to do. A member of the mosque going in greeted us both then started chatting with the cop, they were on first name terms with each other.

    I took away from that the fact that even though we are currently having to see openly armed uniformed police that they are- for now- still approachable, and let us approach them. Far from what I experienced in Europe and London, especially in the wake of one attack there where one wouldn’t dare even say hello. I only hope that ability to approach doesn’t go.
    • I feel love 13.1

      26 March 2019 at 2:52 pm

      Lets hope so Kay, though people like you stopping to say hello would certainly help, thanks from me.
      • marty mars 13.1.1

        26 March 2019 at 4:10 pm

        + 1 and thanks from me too
    • Jenny - How to get there? 13.2

      26 March 2019 at 8:16 pm

      Though their political minded senior officers might be oportunisticly tempted to make this a permanent thing.

      Many front line police resent having to be armed with guns.
14. Mark 14

    26 March 2019 at 5:09 pm

    These white supremacist groups have a proven track history of violence. Yet compare the reaction of the authorities to Tame Iti and Tuhoe – complete overreaction when it came to the latter and a blind eye for the former.

    Also, the murder and beheading of a Korean backpacker ten years ago.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/674037/Murdered-Korean-backpackers-body-found

    There was limited publicity over this murder at the time, far less than had the culprits been Muslim or non-white extremists.

    Simon Bridges has it right for a change, when he calls out the failure of the intelligence agencies to focus on white supremacist organisations, and this time it is Andrew Little who has it completely wrong:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215908
    • Jenny - How to get there? 14.1

      26 March 2019 at 8:26 pm

      The difference is that Simon Bridges is opportunistically using this tragedy to give the security forces increased powers of repressive mass surveillance.

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/time-to-revisit-cyber-mass-surveillance-simon-bridges.html?ref=ves-nextauto
15. Jenny - How to get there? 15

    27 March 2019 at 5:01 am

    Immigrant Nation

    Kiwi Hero, John Sato, 95.

    New Zealand’s only surviving Japanese WWII veteran

    At the age of 95 makes a powerful statement against racism and fascism.

    …..after hearing the news about the mass shooting in Christchurch, he couldn’t sleep.

    “I stayed awake quite a lot at the night. I didn’t sleep too well ever since. I thought it was so sad. You can feel the suffering of other people,” Mr Sato said.

    ….Mr Sato heard about the vigils and memorial events around the country following the tragic shootings in Christchurch, so he wanted to check out a mosque in Pakuranga which was not far away from his house. It was the start of a long journey for him.

    He left home in Howick at around 10am, took a bus to Pakuranga, where he saw many flowers and messages. Then he decided to go into the city centre.

    After two more transfers, he arrived.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385640/veteran-95-takes-bus-to-join-anti-racism-rally
    • Jenny - How to get there? 15.1

      27 March 2019 at 6:25 am

      Alt-right propagandists like Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux, write real heroes like John Sato out of their fascist narrative, he disturbs their notions of white exceptionalism and white virtue.

      [The terrorist], just like Andre Brevik before him, who killed 14 year old New Zealand born girl Sharidyn Svebakk and 76 other young people, think of themselves as heroes.

      Against the real example of heroes like John Sato, [the terrorist] and Andre Brevik, and their fascist enablers, Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux, are revealed as the horribly obscene and twisted individuals they are.

      Long live John Sato, real Kiwi hero

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9217315/Anders-Behring-Breiviks-Norway-shooting-spree-relived-in-chilling-detail.html

      [Edited to remove the terrorist’s name. Comments that use the name will be held in mod or just trashed. TRP]
16. Eco Maori 16

    27 March 2019 at 8:44 am

    Kia ora Newshub let’s hope there is not to much damage to the whenua in the west coast from big weather event they have just had.
    The Gorlyvale organizational is tax free they have multiple millions dollars farms and businesses there people have about 6 children on average and they get 1200 a week from winz plus they get business grants but the money goes into a central pool so the people who are running the outfit can use the money to minupulate our government policy’s to suit them there business empire is expanding very fast. They minupulate there people will the media one ex person died in a motor bike accident it plastered all over the media. The story about the man who killed his family in a truck crash is being blocked they payed Google to make the surch come up at page 1000.
    Brian’s not perfect but he is improving a lot of tangata lives he doesn’t play games with his tangata lives like the latter.
    More Maori need to take advantage of the charitable taxes system as Maori can use it for relief of poverty culture or religion. I want to set up a charitable trust but I could not get the help to set it up.
    Hone good on you for raising funds for Nothland rugby league. Well they did pillage and plander North America.
    Mark did you clean your glasses the poverty for Maori is not just up north. I drive through a lower class place I see 5 cars per house 5 small cabins on each street a tab bottle store fishnchip shop loan sharks shop. Drive through a wealth place I see one car per huge house 2 people per house no shops like above for miles.
    What happening in the Ruby world is a struggle for control of the organisation I say no more. Ka kite ano
17. Eco Maori 17

    27 March 2019 at 10:38 am

    We must look after all tane mahuta beautiful creatures tangata future welbeings are closely linked to a all living things .We are the Guardians of all Papatuanuku and her creatures we should have a culture that strives to improve the servivel of all creatures for our decendints mokopunas its not ROCKET SCIENCE its common sence
    Wild bees and hoverflies lost from a quarter of the places they were found in 1980, study shows

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/26/widespread-losses-of-pollinating-insects-revealed-across-britain
18. Eco Maori 18

    27 March 2019 at 12:05 pm

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.
    https://youtu.be/k6fvex8kr58
19. Eco Maori 19

    27 March 2019 at 2:34 pm

    I love it this stupid man hunt by the unjustified system is showing all the Whanau that New Zealand is a police state the spy’s the police the whole unjustice system is being used by the 00.1 % to use abuse and control the 99.9% of people they are the biggest cheating COURPT CROOKS IN NZ.
    I love education the Whanau about the realities of this system. Ka kite ano P.S THAT’S ECO MAORI MAHI

    https://youtu.be/1SN7Pko_jCM
20. Eco Maori 20

    27 March 2019 at 4:32 pm

    DECEIT I have said the wealthy laught and say the poor common people are hounest We will never admite to OUR Wrongs hence jenny shiply and her rich m8 are going back to court to rip the poor people off with the unjustice SYSTEM even if it causes the tradies to go Broke. Kia kaha whanau
    Since December, Māori nationalists have been named as threats in prison, and iwi have been spied on by a government agency.
    “It’s also important that the government seek to address the racial profiling that has been going on for many years,” Mr Tukaki said. KA KITE ANO links below

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/385543/maori-council-backs-royal-commission-of-inquiry-into-terror-attacks
21. Eco Maori 21

    27 March 2019 at 5:08 pm

    I keep checking the sandflys in this game they are playing with MINE AND MY WHANAU life they get the shitts and get there m8 to try and underarm bowl me but they keep playing into my HAND ka kite ano

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU
    Many thanks to my tipuna
22. Eco Maori 22

    27 March 2019 at 6:54 pm

    Kia ora Te ao Maori News.
    I see that little has been give the spy’s what they want. I was waiting for the call for cops to ware guns I say NO why because there will be more brown people shot and killed by THEM.
    I Hope Ngapuhi get what they want and get putia to build a bright future for their Mokopuna.
    It is sad about that pepei has died at little Waihi that is a symptom of oppression colonialism that’s a fact Maori treasure OUR MOKOPUNA.
    I Tau toko our nurses for rallying for the hospitals to provide a safe work place.
    It would be nice if Maori could have axcess to better tools to make TV content that will draw in the viewers.
    It gives Eco Maori a sore face when I hear that waka arma is receiving a big growth in tamariki partake in the awesome sport Ka kite ano P.S I see alot of tangata whenua onscreen need to get a new set of clothes as the ones they are wearing are getting to big as they lose weight Kia kaha
23. Eco Maori 23

    28 March 2019 at 8:36 am

    Kia ora The AM Show.
    duncan you are listening to your ational doom and gloom m8s about the NZ economy they think that they are the only ones who can run a good economy when the facts show they make a big mess it’s all there to find our economy is one of the best in the WORLD .
    Lloyd may stepping down if brexit go ahead YEA IGHT just another shifty tories move.
    The price of houses does not have to go down for the Mokopunas to have more affordable housing it just has to flat line. We need Kiwi build there might be houses for sale but there a very little available to RENT. The government needs to build more state housing ASAP.
    That’s good Facebook has made the good choice to ban White Supremacist hopefully all hate groups from its platforms
    Yes its would be more secesful when some of the world conservatory groups work together to try and slow down the amount of species approaching extinction the old saying many hands make light work that works with knowledge to.
    The reason we have such high numbers of cyps children is the fabulous policy’s ational has run over the last 9 years give to the wealthy take from the poor. Family support for wealth paye tax cuts and consumson tax GST up and now our Humane government that’s in charge now has a BIG MESS to clean up. I say we should not let the spy’s get easier axcess to our Data like they will be using the Christchurch desaster to get more power and a Big NO to the cops wearing guns in the street I agree with the TECH guy on Breakfast Show TV 1.

    Ka kite ano P.S I know you 2 don’t know anything about being HUMBLE weres the ational flags they don’t have a clue about being humble
24. Eco Maori 24

    28 March 2019 at 11:47 am

    Whanau it makes me laugh all these puppets the sandflys use to try and intimidat ECO MAORI There are Heaps of them . The brown ones are a bit slow they haven’t worked out they are being played and used to suppress their OWN CULTURE I am on a mission to boost Maori Mana and cultures .
    THE white ones well I have all ready given my opinion on them it’s not good.
    But I can SEE that my TRUE character is getting out to Tangata and tangata whenua that makes me happy because it backs up my argument that the sandflys have a PERSONAL VANDETA against me it’s not about serviceing the law its just people with to much power that are using it for their his Gisborne mans own EGO. KA KITE ANO

    https://youtu.be/cNld-AHw-Wg
25. Eco Maori 25

    28 March 2019 at 2:37 pm

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.
    https://youtu.be/PWoDSGfSu6o
26. Eco Maori 26

    28 March 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Kia ora Newshub I got the first comments on the Solomon I oil spill desaster wrong multi tasking with the Mokopuna said it was a Australia island issue Big businesses will/are running riot in small governed nation like the Solomon Islands. Big countrys need to help them out., ”I”Mike it’s te tangata te tangata te tangata that count when enough pressure is applied by the majority te 00.1 % have to listen Facebook baning white supremacist KA PAI.
    There is a big mess on the west coast of the south island to clean up.
    Tangata do need to put more thought into there retirement savings and planning I encourage everyone I meet to join Kiwi Saver.
    Looks like the Wellington bus service a joke. Ka kite ano
27. Eco Maori 27

    28 March 2019 at 6:48 pm

    Kia ora Te ao Maori News manakua honey and the honey business has a hard time with the counterfit products been so easily to make like he said blending clover honey with manakua honey and selling it as 100% manakua honey not only that rice liquid sugar is hard to be distgush from the real thing.
    Because lung cancer is a big problem for Tangata Whenua the health system is not trying it’s best to help us WORSE We pay heaps of taxes and get nothing in return WTF. The Pacific Sister looks cool. I did forget that men are nurses to they all need to feel safe at work the reason they are not taking keeping them safe is quite simpley the class system rasing it head. Ka kite ano

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