Open mike 26/08/2023

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  1. bwaghorn 1

    Holy labour are buggered if the all blacks don't get it together for the world cup!!

      • bwaghorn 1.1.1

        Bit of a joke, but the country tends to go into depression when the abs lose, less so these days though.

        Was some beating they took this morning though

    • Patricia Bremner 1.2

      That used to be the story, but the All blacks support National mainly, the Warriors support Labour . The Warriors are on a winning streakheart

    • Ngungukai 1.3

      Most Labour supporters do not give a Rat's Anus about the Rugby World Cup, they are more interested in the Warriors and the NRL Competition. Warriors showing some guts this year, already in the Top 4 !!!

      • Professor Longhair 1.3.1

        That statement by "Ngugnukai" is perhaps the most deluded, and funniest, thing to be posted on any forum, anywhere, in the last year.

  2. PsyclingLeft.Always 2

    Jenny Shipley, Right..Honourable.

    Mainzeal directors lose appeal but unsecured creditors still owed thousands

    Unsecured creditor Doug Haselden, the owner of South Island Shotcrete, is still owed $264,000.

    "They only got made to pay $40 million that's nothing. It's actually more of a slap in the face. It's like a reminder of what I should've had," he said.

    "I had to really work hard, I had to get two bloody jobs and everything to survive through that."

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/496605/mainzeal-directors-lose-appeal-but-unsecured-creditors-still-owed-thousands

    Some might remember Dame Jenny…..

    Jenny Robson grew up in rural Canterbury, where she befriended MP Ruth Richardson, whose politics she shared. Between 1990 and 1997 she held several portfolios, including Women’s Affairs, but was best-known for social welfare and health, where she oversaw radical and sometimes controversial reforms driven by Richardson’s policies, dubbed ‘Ruthanasia’

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/people/jenny-shipley

    In her role as Minister of Social Welfare, Shipley presided over sharp cutbacks to state benefits. Later, when she became Minister of Health in 1993, she caused further controversy by attempting to reform the public health service, introducing an internal market.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Shipley#Cabinet_Minister

    • Mike the Lefty 2.1

      There was little honourable about Shipley's health ministry.

      That was a time when we didn't have public hospitals, we had Crown Health Enterprises (an early example of woke language, and by the political right, not the left) , and the first thing you saw when you entered one was a large sign saying "CASHIER".

      That sign summed up National's intent for the public health system. It wasn't about serving the people, it was about quietly turning it into a SOE.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 2.1.1

        Well..IMO the Nats were (still are?) pretty keen on privatising NZ Hospitals/Health .

        Ol' Nat Health Minister Dr Coleman always gave me the impression..that was on his agenda.

        And then he left..unsurprisingly for

        National MP Jonathan Coleman quits politics to run Acurity private hospital

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-jonathan-coleman-quits-politics-to-run-acurity-private-hospital/X2OUWI5OVERVGN6VXFT4T5S6QY/

        • miravox 2.1.1.1

          Well..IMO the Nats were (still are?) pretty keen on privatising NZ Hospitals/Health .

          I would think so – including undermining pharmac (which of course is not perfect). Rob Campbell's response is well-considered:

          So we have these monopoly producers distributing their product, which is recognised as valuable by medical practitioners here and elsewhere.

          Our response to this is to try to get the best deals we can through Pharmac.

          You can argue about how well they conduct that, how much they are funded, and no doubt about other aspects of their work, but using a local monopoly buyer to handle the trade with a monopoly seller/s makes sound economic sense in principle. From most accounts, the system has worked well for many drugs in terms of both cost and availability.

          It is clear there are exceptions to this.

          I’m not competent to judge the medical efficacy questions, but neither are politicians who espouse choices different to those of Pharmac.

        • Patricia Bremner 2.1.1.2

          yes100% PLA

  3. scotty 3

    Labour's internal polling looks more promising according to this Herald piece

    https://archive.is/32yt4

  4. SPC 4

    Brilliant rope a dope from the AB's setting up South Africa to be eliminated at the group stage by Ireland and Scotland.

    • bwaghorn 4.1

      I didn't see sting in that bee more a butterfly getting trampled.

    • Hunter Thompson II 4.2

      Foster's cunning plan is to make all the ABs' opponents at the RWC become over-confident. Everything on track so far, with help from the UK rugby media.

  5. adam 5

    97% says it all.

    Go the UWA!!!

  6. SPC 6

    Classic post by Trotter,

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/08/25/the-election-labour-has-to-lose/

    posing the election as one Labour needs to lose (and knows it is going to lose) – so that it can rebuild itself as "a party of the people" (rather than act as an alternate manager of the establishment).

    It's something that says so little, a neo-liberal on the right could also write the same about a National Party government in power (if also behind in the polls).

    Of course in posing party leadership straying from the path is classic speak – for our party is right, but its current leadership is losing support so it's them, not the party cause.

    He uses the examples of the party continuing with Three Waters to placate the Maori caucus (but is not popular with voters), but not going ahead with the wealth tax plans of Robertson and Parker (which is popular with voters).

    Which is somewhat pertinent at least (despite his past opposition to a CGT as something not popular with boomers) – but once again indicates his long expressed wariness with Labour working closely with Maori when this is not popular with Pakeha voters.

    For mine, a mistake of Labour was not applying a 2 year rent freeze mid 2022-2024 to help control costs (it may have thought its own better for tenants policies was enough) and not ensuring better oversight of the opening up of immigration (…employer has to organise housing …).

    Politically they should have opened up the Three Waters programme to a range of options that the public could vote for at a referendum. A wealth tax could also been offered as a referendum issue (and if National said they would not support it even if the people did …).

  7. Ad 7

    Great to see Minister Parker and Minister Brooking at the Port Chalmers cycleway opening together with about 500 locals this morning.

    • alwyn 7.1

      500 locals. How many of them do you think were locals who will use the cycleway regularly? After all it is apparently costing $50 million which is $100,000 per attendee at the opening. Is it really worth that?

  8. georgecom 8

    I was remembering the glory days of the ACT party when they actually stood for something, back in the day when they moaned that all taxation is theft and called the National party socialist. these days they are chasing the anti-vax and conspiracy theorist vote.

    • bwaghorn 8.1

      chasing the anti-vax and conspiracy theorist vote.

      Using useful idiots to get elected doesn't change the beast below, they're still a rule for the rich survival of the fittest party.

      • georgecom 8.1.1

        yes they are at their core still the party for transferring wealth and privilege to the 1%ers

  9. Blazer 9

    Thought this was an interesting post on KB by David Garrett

    -"I remember Rodney Hide telling me that at one of his regular meetings with Key, Key said: “We’re not much interested in policy Rodney; we just look after driving the ship more efficiently'

  10. Anne 10

    In other words they leave it up to Labour to do the basic policy work because they can't be bothered, don't care, don't know how to do it, or simply don't have the cojones. But they've got the money to spend up large in campaigns and buy the votes instead. They then use the power of the state to make more money – for themselves.

    Democracy eh?

  11. PsyclingLeft.Always 11

    David Seymour/Rimmer has no shame , thats a given. But is he really losing the plot? Did he ever have a grasp?This latest just boggling…

    "I daresay if Nelson Mandela was alive today he would be campaigning for ACT."

    Mr Mandela's grandson….has a differing view (unsurprisingly !)

    Mandela's grandson, Kweku Mandela.

    "My grandfather definitely loved the people of New Zealand and I can say categorically he would not campaign for this today or any other day in the past," he tweeted on Saturday.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/496643/nelson-mandela-would-not-have-supported-the-act-party-grandson-says

    Just..bizarre

    • Anne 11.1

      If he actually believes that… he's living in La la land. No way in a thousand years would Mandela have supported ACT policies.

      It really makes you wonder what is going on with the man/boy. Is he saying these things because he thinks his potential voters will fall for it, or has he truly lost the plot.

      Would welcome some answers to this conundrum.

  12. Ngungukai 12

    Highly Likely Agree +100% !!!

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