web analytics

Open mike 27/09/2019

Written By: - Date published: 7:00 am, September 27th, 2019 - 32 comments
Categories: open mike - Tags:

Open mike is your post.

For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.

The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy).

Step up to the mike …

32 comments on “Open mike 27/09/2019”

  1. Adrian Thornton 1

    While the style of this clip is not really my bag, Krystal Ball does a pretty good job of succinctly outlining the many reasons why the Dems impeachment is going to be a disaster and go nowhere, just like the insane Russian Conspirisory that got pushed all the way to the that big hole at the back of the dump it was always heading for.

    • aj 1.1

      In the video, watch the exchange with Warren at 6 minutes. The hosts nail the consequences of those careless and thoughtless comments perfectly.

    • McFlock 1.2

      Not really.

      I suspect the Ukrainians paid more for overseas board members because the board members would have a bigger job on their hands – overseeing a monolith that's headed in the right path governance-wise is less of a job than trying to change the course of a small one. And HB does seem to have some pretty good consulting experience. Sure, the name helps, but he probably had to do more of a job than any former tory cabinet ministers in their post-government sinecures.


    • gsays 1.3

      I will watch the clip later.

      Listening to a RNZ guest, he said that the anonymous whistleblower didn't witness said events, but was told about the events.



      I don't doubt the accusations, but can't help feel this will go the same way of the Russian poisoners/election stealers etc.

      Just cause lots of folk feel real strong about this and want it to happen, that normally meet the standard that convicts in the legal system.

      • McFlock 1.3.1

        Yeah, people forget that Nixon got re-elected by a landslide.

        But… I'm hopeful. Not that it will make mcconnell grow integrity, but that enough shit will come out in the investigation that dolt45'll be dodging state and federal court cases for the rest of his miserable life.

    • The Al1en 1.4

      You should watch the latest Colbert interview with Saunders on the late show. Bernie was all in favour for impeachment. 100% backing.

      Looks like your singing from the wrong democratic socialist song sheet.

  2. ScottGN 3

    National are going to comply with the Speaker’s ruling on the use of parliamentary video in their attack ads – how could they not? – all the while making as much noise as they can to mask the fact that they are doing so.
    Classic retreat tactics.

  3. Andre 4

    This morning's edition of the Freak Show Report:

    Devin Nunes thinks Dems want nude pics of the Terracotta Turdface. Uhhh, thanks but no thanks, Stormy's description was already waaaay too much information.

    About that pee tape …  https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/inside-the-convincing-fake-trump-pee-tape.html


  4. Ad 5

    My bet the whistleblower is Bolton.

    • Funny you should say that @ Ad. It kind of points in that direction.

      I  hope like fuck it is. But then there are one or two that the Great Orange Blubber Boi sees as his allies that each have an interest in becoming the New Master of the Universe, so grab the popcorn.

      If it wasn't so potentially catastrophic, it'd be mildly amusing (watching them all kill each other off)

      • Ad 5.1.1

        So many rats in there surviving for so long on so little that all they know to eat is rat.

        It's going to need more than one whistle blower to do it.

        Also, so close to full election season the Impeachment process detracts from the state-by-state Democrat mandating contests, and brings it all back to Washington.

        Warren was on the upsurge when fresh powerful policy was more the flavour.

        Bringing it back to Biden v Trump, the whole election framing is about: who is the Democrat who can just get rid of him?"

        I think that favours the incumbent pretty strongly.

    • Macro 5.2

      According to the NY Times 

      The whistleblower is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed in the White House at one point. The man has since returned to the C.I.A., but his complaint suggests he was an analyst by training with an understanding of Ukrainian politics. The C.I.A. officer did not work on the communications team that handles calls with foreign leaders, but learned about Trump's conduct "in the course of official interagency business."

      And according to CNN

      The whistleblower agreed to testify about the complaint to Congress, but only if Maguire gives the whistleblower's attorney the proper clearances to accompany their client. "This is a reasonable request that the Committee strongly supports and expects your office to fulfill immediately," Adam Schiff wrote in a letter to Maguire.

      And according to the Washington Post

      Zelensky told Trump during the July phone call that he had stayed at Trump Tower in New York. "Actually, last time I traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park, and I stayed at the Trump Tower," Zelensky told Trump, according to a rough transcript of the July 25 call. It's the first known example of a foreign leader trying to influence Trump by spending money at his properties and telling him about it. Other Ukrainian officials have also patronized Trump properties: A top Zelensky aide met Rudy Giuliani at Trump's D.C. hotel in July. A lobbyist who registered as an agent of Zelensky's with the U.S. government hosted a $1,900 event at the D.C. hotel in April.

      Then there is this fascination piece of information:

      Trump's part-time envoy for Ukraine set up an introduction between Giuliani and Zelensky so they could talk about having Ukraine investigate Joe Biden and his son. Ambassador Kurt Volker, who also worked at a lobbying firm that continued to represent the Government of Ukraine for almost two years after he started as special envoy, contacted Giuliani and put him "in direct contact" with Andriy Yermak, a top adviser to Zelensky. The two eventually met face-to-face in Spain. Giuliani said he never received a security clearance to meet with Yermak in Spain.

      This is moving at a rapid rate now as more and more info begins to surface:

      A majority of the 435 members of the House of Representatives support impeachment proceedings against Trump. 218 lawmakers — 217 Democrats and Rep. Justin Amash — have indicated their support for some form of impeachment action.


      43% of voters support beginning impeachment proceedings to remove Trump from office – up 7 points since last week. Among those voters who support impeachment now, 59% said Trump committed an impeachable offense. 

      • Anne 5.2.1

        Excellent. Thanks Macro.

        "The movement is rapid now as more and more info begins to surface":

        Indeed. I'm having trouble keeping up.

        A good editorial from the Guardian:


      • McFlock 5.2.2

        217 Democrats and Rep. Justin Amash

        so 92% of dems in favour and 100% of repugs against.

        That's what makes a conviction unlikely. But the fruits of the investigation are more than just a senate trial.


        • Macro

          Yes I don't think that there is any chance of successful impeachment with a spineless GOP in the majority in the Senate. But the timing of any call for impeachment is entirely in the hands of the Democrats in the House. They can string this out as long as they like with more negative illumination of Trump transgressions right up to Nov next year. 


    • Treetop 6.1

      I would like to know what intensive supervision is?

      Prison has not worked, neither has psychiatric incarceration. The man has trauma, probably a head injury and urges which he cannot control. 24 hour supervision in a flat on land which is neither public nor corrections, is secure, only allowed to leave the property if escorted and CCTV and an electronic ankle band. Weekly psychological sessions and help from a leader from his ethnic community.

      If this is not enough a purpose built facility run by corrections and some time in the community supervised.


      • greywarshark 6.1.1

        Too many men admitted back into the community after being set aside from it for a period who have chronic habits of attacks against females, children and men.   What sort of protection, safety and freedom is that for the community?   And they may continue to prey on victims and family even without violence.   It's a mania which is a sort of madness, and the authorities 'thinking' that somehow they will magically change is also madness.   

        If the authorities are not mad, then they are callous and undeserving of any respect in considering their stupid ideas to appear to be controlling these madmen criminals, including some women, and the new approaches are very expensive.   So they don't help, they don't cure, they are not effective.    But right wing neanderthals cannot cope with change of heart, mind and action; they must stomp on in the same rut over the edges of which they cannot see the real world.

        There should be a guarded farm facility where they can live out their days under control.    And be allowed visitors and some comforts.   But society becoming guinea pigs in an experiment to see if these people are cured, is disgraceful lazy thinking by unimaginative authority, and uncaring about the vulnerable in society.    Now has to pass the 'is their money and profit in it' barrier before any iniatitves are considered.

        (And I apologise to neanderthals apparently they were a lot brighter and more adaptable and effective than we have been led to believe. Perhaps I should substitute Randians as a description of the type we despise as lacking any value; we who try to be good humans and thoughtful.)

        • Treetop

          Humane, protecting society and worthwhile structure in the life of the perpetrator.

          Did you see the comment I left you Open Mike 25/9/19?

          Money needs to be found for the topics raised.

          • greywarshark

            We haven't got money or time to put into saving the vestiges of personalities of chronic perpetrators.    But they can have a sort of peace if kept in enclosed conditions able to work and have a life, while outside the public have peace and safety as well.  

            And no haven't had time to study 25/9 comment.  Was it offering something practical, or something idealistic and utopian?

            • Treetop

              I replied today to a big question you asked. I do not want to re raise what I wrote on this thread and have no more to add.

  5. JohnP 7

    I've noticed Fortress Aotearoa popping up as a repeated theme advocated by MB over at TBD. Here's a rather lengthy unpicking of his ideas for an isolationist Aotearoa under climate crisis: https://medium.com/@themonkey/the-hollow-fortress-504f331d240b

  6. A 8

    It’s not JUST mothers but good to see this getting more coverage, especially as this is a worker who receives Accommodation Supplement.



    • greywarshark 8.1

      The moralistic and narrow-minded, purse-lipped government 'social' policies, with prejudice about women who aren't married and having babies, and thinking of them as probably promiscuous with the word 'sluts' in their minds, is embedded in the snotty-nosed National Party and RW women.   These women did not join in the feminist movement but have been happy to advance themselves in the climate that the thinking and acting women who worked for betterment, were able to initiate.

  7. joe90 9


    • gsays 9.1

      Great drummer, an enigmatic human.

      He was the first to go to Africa and record the locals with gear he imported.

      I heartily recommend Beware of Mr. Baker, a doco on the jazz  influenced drummer.

  8. Anne 10

    It was called Watergate in the 70s. Now it's Whistlegate. 


    Oh my, it's spreading….

  9. Treetop 11

    Mueller and Comey would have known that the Trump swamp needed draining.

    Another Edward Snowden moment. This time multiple internal whistle blowers and a messenger.



  10. greywarshark 12

    Some concerned thoughts from Chris Trotter considering the hostile reception of Greta's impassioned truths.

    Ah, yes – the money. And more than the money. The dream of wealth without consequences; power without restraint. That is the spell, Greta. That has always been the spell. And we cannot break it.

    The Pulitzer Prize-winning American poet, Edward Arlington Robinson (1869-1935) was also captivated by the legend of Cassandra. In his eponymous poem he writes:

    The power is yours, but not the sight;
    You see not upon what you tread;
    You have the ages for your guide,
    But not the wisdom to be led.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • New Zealand least corrupt country in the world
    New Zealand has regained its position as the least corrupt country in the world for the second time under this Coalition Government, says Justice Minister Andrew Little. “New Zealanders can be proud that our reputation as one of the least corrupt countries in the world has been restored,” says Andrew ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Boost for Rēkohu/Wharekauri/Chatham Islands Community Conservation
    Community conservation in Rēkohu/Wharekauri/the Chatham Islands is receiving a boost, with grants to support local projects announced today by Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage. “Rēkohu/Wharekauri/ the Chatham Islands are home to 20 per cent of New Zealand’s threatened bird species and 11 per cent of New Zealand’s threatened plant species. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Rātana Pā goes high-tech with UFB
    Iwi, hapu and visitors to Rātana Pā near Whanganui now have access to ultra-fast broadband following its connection, completed in time for annual Rātana celebrations, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones says. The connection and associated hardware were funded from the Provincial Growth Fund’s $21 million Marae Digital Connectivity programme, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Govt’s strong financial management acknowledged
    The Government’s strong financial management and plan to future proof the economy with new infrastructure investment has gained further recognition from an international ratings agency. Credit rating agency Fitch has upgraded one of its main metrics assessing the Government’s books, lifting its foreign currency AA rating outlook to ‘positive’ from ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Boost in Whānau Ora funding to keep changing lives
    Whānau throughout New Zealand are set to benefit from an extra three million dollars that will go directly to Whānau Ora Commissioning Agencies, the Minister for Whānau Ora Peeni Henare announced today.  Including previous funding boosts, the Agencies will now receive $87 million this year between them.  In Budget 2019 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago
  • More people getting into work
    The December quarter benefit numbers released today show the Government’s plan to get people off the benefit and into work is starting to pay off,” Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni said.   “Nearly 19,000 people cancelled their benefit and went into work in the last few months of the year – ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago
  • Wairoa gets up to $6.1m to rebuild heart of CBD
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing up to $6.1 million to revitalise business and tourism opportunities in Wairoa, Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. The PGF is funding: Up to $4.8 million for the Wairoa Integrated Business and Tourism Facility Up to $960,000 for the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Major Events support for creative and cultural events
    Creative and cultural events that highlight New Zealand’s diverse culture and build national pride are set to get a funding boost through the Major Events Fund, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford said today. The new Creative and Cultural Events Incubator, which is funded through the Major Events Fund, will open ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Classroom internet in hundreds of schools to get a boost
    The Government has begun a massive IT upgrade to provide more seamless internet access to 200 schools around the country. Te Mana Tūhono – Technology in Schools work programme will launch with a pilot of 10 smaller state schools early this year. IT equipment that gives students access to the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Construction workforce, apprenticeships hit record highs
    Working with industry and committing to rebuild New Zealand’s infrastructure has produced a record high number of Kiwis working in the construction industry and learning trades, says Minister for Building and Construction Jenny Salesa. New figures available today from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and the Tertiary Education ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • NZ concludes digital economy trade talks with Singapore and Chile
    A new trade agreement concluded today helps New Zealand exporters and consumers take advantage of opportunities from digital trade.    Minister for Trade and Export Growth David Parker together with Chile’s Vice Minister of Trade Rodrigo Yañez and Singapore’s Minister of Trade and Industry Chan Chun Sing, have announced conclusion of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Provincial Growth Fund to fund Waipukurau cultural development and tourism
    The Ngā Ara Tipuna -  Waipukurau Pā Site Interpretation project will receive $2.798 million from the Provincial Growth Fund to create an authentic cultural tourism experience, Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today “The project will inform visitors about the history of six pā sites in Waipukurau with a combination ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • 21 new judges boost diversity, improve access to justice
    Twenty-one new District Court judges have been appointed in a move that will improve access to justice and boost diversity on the bench. The new judges include replacements for retirements and 10 new positions. Attorney-General David Parker today announced the 14 judges who can immediately be named, with the remainder ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Puhinui to Auckland Airport in 10 minutes
    Aucklanders are another step closer to getting rapid transit to the airport, with the start of construction to upgrade State Highway 20B to the airport, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. SH20B will be upgraded with additional lanes in each direction, dedicated to bus and high-occupancy vehicles between Pukaki Creek ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Advancing New Zealand’s trade agenda focus of Europe meetings
    World Trade Organisation reform, agricultural trade and a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom will be the focus of Minister for Trade and Export Growth David Parker’s visit to Europe this week. David Parker leaves on Tuesday for a series of meetings in the UK and Switzerland that aim ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Minister of Defence to visit counterparts in US and Canada
    The Minister of Defence, Ron Mark, departed today for the United States and Canada where he will meet with his counterparts.  While in Canada Minister Mark will meet with his counterpart, Minister of National Defence Harjit Sajjan.  “New Zealand and Canada are close friends, and share an instinctive like-mindedness on ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government to deliver family carers $2000 pay rise, expand scheme to spouses this year
    The Coalition Government is delivering this year the changes to Funded Family Care the disability sector has long-asked for, says Associate Minister of Health Jenny Salesa. “Today we are announcing the details of our big changes to Funded Family Care, including an annual average pay boost of $2,246.40 for funded ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Ko te reo kua mū: Piri Sciascia
    Minister for Māori Development Nanaia Mahuta joins te ao Māori in their sorrow as they learn of the loss of one of the great orators and spokespersons of a generation – Piri Sciascia.  “The son of Pōrangahau was a staunch advocate for Māori development and served his people for over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Minister opens new ecosanctuary at Cape Farewell
    A new ecosanctuary with a predator proof fence on Golden Bay’s Cape Farewell, which will restore a safe home for sea birds, rare native plants, giant snails, and geckos, was officially opened today by the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage. “There has been a fantastic community effort supported by the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Pacific partners work together to provide additional support to Australia
    The NZDF continues to support the Australian Defence Force (ADF) as it battles fires in Victoria and New South Wales, including by transporting Republic of Fiji Military engineers from Nadi to Australia, announced Defence Minister Ron Mark. On Saturday morning a NZDF Boeing 757 will depart New Zealand to uplift ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Kaikōura $10.88 million boost in tourism & business
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10.88 million to boost business and tourism opportunities in Kaikōura, Parliamentary Undersecretary for Regional Economic Development, Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. As part of the Kaikōura Marina Development Programme, the following two projects will receive PGF funding: A $9.88 million investment to begin the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Govt accounts in surplus, debt remains low
    The Government’s books are in good shape with the accounts in surplus and expenses close to forecast, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown accounts for the five months to November. The operating balance before gains and losses (OBEGAL) was above forecast by $0.7 billion resulting ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Auckland focus for first Police graduation of 2020
    The number of Police on the Auckland frontline is increasing with the graduation today of a special locally-trained wing of new constables. Police Minister Stuart Nash says the graduation of eighteen officers from Recruit Wing 333-5 means that more than 1900 new Police have been deployed since the Coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Wairarapa gets $7.11m PGF water boost
    The Provincial Growth Fund is putting $7.11 million into creating a sustainable water supply for Wairarapa, Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. The following two projects will receive Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) funding: A $7 million investment in Wairarapa Water Limited for the pre-construction development of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Progress with new Police station in Mahia
    Community safety and crime prevention in the East Coast community of Mahia has moved forward with the opening of a new Police station to serve the growing coastal settlement. Police Minister Stuart Nash has officially opened the new station, which was relocated almost 20 kilometres along the coast from the nearby ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Plans to protect the future of whitebaiting announced
    With several native whitebait species in decline the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage has today released proposals to standardise and improve management of whitebait across New Zealand. “The need for action for a healthy whitebait fishery has never been greater,” Eugenie Sage said.  “Four of the six whitebait species are ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New resource for schools to increase awareness and understanding of climate change
    A new Ministry of Education resource available for schools in 2020 will increase awareness and understanding of climate change, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “The resource, Climate Change – prepare today, live well tomorrow, will help students understand the effects of climate change at a local, national and global ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Getting more out of our most productive firms
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has approved the terms of reference for an Inquiry into the economic contribution of New Zealand's frontier firms. Frontier firms are the most productive firms in the domestic economy within their own industry. “These firms are important as they diffuse new technologies and business practices into ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • NZDF sends more support to Australia
    The New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) is sending an Environmental Health Team, a Primary Health Care Team and a Chaplain to Australia, boosting New Zealand support for the Australian Defence Force (ADF) as it battles bush fires in Victoria and New South Wales, Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. The ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand joins partners in calling for full investigation into air crash in Iran
    Acting Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Rt Hon Winston Peters says that developments suggesting a surface-to-air missile is responsible for the downing of the Ukrainian International Airlines flight in Iran is disastrous news. “New Zealand offers its deepest sympathies to the families of the 176 victims. It is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Staying connected to Australian agriculture
    Agriculture Minister, Damien O’Connor, says the Ministry for Primary Industries is continuing to stay connected to federal authorities in Australia as devastating fires affect the country.  “The Ministry is using an existing trans-Tasman forum for discussions on the agricultural impact of the fires and the future recovery phase,” says Damien ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Investment in schools – a commitment to communities
    Thousands of school-age children, their teachers and wider communities are benefiting from the Government’s multi-million dollar investment upgrading and renewing schools, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “We want New Zealand to be the best place to be a child and that means learning in warm, comfortable and modern classrooms,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Defence Force sends support to Australia
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark today announced New Zealand is sending three Royal New Zealand Air Force NH90 helicopters and crew, and two NZ Army Combat Engineer Sections as well as a command element to support the Australian Defence Force efforts in tackling the Australian fires.  The New Zealand Defence Force ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Better access to books for blind and low vision citizens on World Braille Day
    "Today is World Braille Day and I am delighted to announce that an international treaty giving blind and low vision New Zealanders access to books and literary works comes into force today,” Minister for Disability Issues Carmel Sepuloni announced today. “Today the Marrakesh Treaty and the associated amendments to the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago