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Maybe there is a way out of the Poto Williams & Tamati Kruger ethno-vandalisim. (Stuff article quotes)
A spokesperson for the group, kaumātua Paki Nikora, said: “We are here because of the desecration of all our huts that have all had a historical connection to Tūhoe, and also all the hunters and trampers that frequented Te Urewera over 50 years plus.
“You can’t tell me a hut that sheltered our people for that long doesn’t belong to Te Urewera.”
"He said TUT did not represent all Tūhoe."
And local actual outdoor working Tuhoe (as opposed to indoor Ngati Taone) highlight one of my key worries–“Are you, minister, prepared to accept all responsibility … when all huts are removed and there's no shelter in the likelihood of emergencies, search and rescue, extreme weather events?”
And the clincher! “We don’t feel colonised by those huts,” he said. “We’re practical people, we just want the huts to stay in while we go hunting.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
TUT and the environmental disaster that is their management of the Ureweras is a classic systemic outcome that inevitably happens when you give people a bunch of money and hand over control of a complex system when those people have no skills, no experience and no desire in managing the asset. Set up to fail, with the best of intentions all round I am sure. Pity about the Kiwi and the Kokako, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, eh?
TUT can do what they like with the Ureweras. I’m not some poor bastard who spent forty years of my life at war with introduced predators and gloried at the re-introduction of the Kokako. TUT clearly want to use the "park" as an asset to maximise the comfort of a subsistance lifestyle. None of this saving native flora and fauna. TUT are keen on a great leap backwards to the purity of the lifestyle of Te Kooti. Paddocks to graze horses and half-wild livestock. Over-run with pigs for an easy food source. Possums for pelts. Quiet valleys empty of nosy parkers like DOC, the police, and fussy Pakeha trampers are ideal for illegal activity to provide a nice stream of cash.
But like I said, they've got the park now and they can do what they want with it, they can shit in the woods all over the place for all I care. Tuhoe didn't sign the treaty, etc etc.
However, it's going to become our problem when their communities health crashes and the TB infested fauna, predators and lawlessness starts to bleed out of the borders of the third work ethnostate that is being created.
What then? One thing for sure – Tuhoe are busily demolishing any support for further co-governance initiatives in the conservation estate basically forever.
It isn't "Maori blaming". It is a simple statement of class based fact. The thing that needs to be honestly discussed here (instead of being a dick and playing the race card) is what TUT actually want. Everyone sits around singing Kumbaya to a deified idea of tribal Maori as the noble savage in tune with his environment. But what if they are just a bunch of dirt poor hillbillies behaving like dirt poor hillbillies everywhere behave?
If a bunch of middle class New Yorkers spent fifty years in an Appalacian park clearing paths, replanting chestnuts, re-introducing bald eagles and bears and wolves and building and maintaining huts then had to give the park back to a bunch of dumb local hard scrabble hillbillies who don’t like dangerous wild animals and they wrecked the huts and dug up the roads because they just want to be left alone by the federal authorities to moonshine, shoot squirrels and generally live like poor rural people you'd get the same level of dismay, but who is to say they are necessarily wrong? That is how they want to live, leave them alone.
I think we should cut the Kumbaya bullshit and have a grown up discussion about the purpose of the park is as it pertains to a community in grinding poverty. It is Tuhoe’s asset now, but it still part of New Zealand after all. If we were a bit more honest about procedings then we might come to something a bit more workable than what seems to be happening at the moment, which is a bunch of locals lying through their teeth about their real intentions to guillable Pakeha who desperately want to believe.
What role does anyone outside of the legla owners have over land that does not belong to them. There is legislation that appies to all of us and special legislation covering Te Urewera.
Why does this Maori owned land get singled out for attention?
What role will people intent on looking back to what happened when the land was a NP have? Why do they think they have a role? Is there something in our constitutional arrangements that enables beady eyed pakeha to say
Have you read the aspiration and management plans?
Most of all I would like you to reflect on why you feel you have a right or that anyone has a right to blow a lot of reactionary hot air about.
Does it make a difference that Maori here have lived on this land since time immemorial? I think it does.
Pull your head in about using words like 'subsistence' in a pejorative way Not everyone is aspiring to follow the American Dream or a prosperity church where monetary riches mean everything.
More than anything 'will the sky fall in' if we let this group get on with their vision for the land?
I am not a dude and yes I did read it. At first I thought it was supportive of letting Tuhoe do as they want on land that is precious to them. However it was just wrapped up that way with the implied criticism being the stings all the way through like
subsistence life style
and this
However, it's going to become our problem when their communities health crashes and the TB infested fauna, predators and lawlessness starts to bleed out of the borders of the third work ethnostate that is being created.
What then? One thing for sure – Tuhoe are busily demolishing any support for further co-governance initiatives in the conservation estate basically forever.
The myth of naughty Tuhoe being responsible for other joint treaty based initiatives possibly failing. Is it co-governance when iwi hold the majority on the Board, when those appointed by the Minister are not DoC reps but people of vast experience in natural land use management etc?
The myth of this arrangement being co-governance,…it is governance as opposed to co-governance.
The trigger words such as 'ethno-state'
Are you saying that just because Tuhoe have got the land back that they are unable to have access to any of the Govt supports that other groups, land owners have. So TB, no access to any funding? so health no access to any funding, so lawlessness no police presence and access?
This article states "As a contrast to the successful Waikato River Authority, the Te Urewera co-governance agreement provides an indication of flaws the co-governance model can have and how it chafes against the reality that it does fail to give full effect to Treaty principles."
Where do you get the idea this is not a co-governance model?
Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. Two of these appointment that I know, I think, are not Maori but who knows anyone's whakapapa unless they care to share it. Minister of Conservation is not limited to appointing people from DoC or who are European. They are not there to push an party line or necessarily to espouse DoC's view.
Co-governance is being used as a loaded word to bash all hell out of ideas about Three Waters, Auckland Treaty settlement s etc. The concept is to bring about good governance or Mana Motuhake. The use of 'co' is best avoided unless giving a whistle out to nay sayers about Three Waters which you may be doing for all I know. .
I note your link to the Maori Law Review……I would make a small wager that if this was being written now as opposed to 2012 they would be unlikely to refer to it as 'co-governance' bearing in mind the rubbish being talked about 3 three waters etc.
You make no comment about what the actual paragraph says about Te Urewera and Tuhoe seizing only on references to bash me with your idea of the woes of co-governance.
This commentary is significant. In it Tuhoe are being consistent with their view of a step along the way……
'The issue with this fractured co-governance arrangement is a difficult one to grapple with when divorced from the historical context of the area. Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose. (my underlining) Kruger commented that “we are committed to washing away dependency on the Crown, and raising maximum autonomy for Tūhoe people".[24] Prioritising the authority of the Crown due to their greater resources undermines the purpose of restoring authority to Tūhoe. In practice, it keeps the land subject to Crown control, and does not practically aid mana whenua in engaging with the land.'
What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to.
Are you now going to get very concerned that there is not wholesale access to Ngamatea Station or Mt Linton Station. Both freehold land where the owners actively restrict access. …….I didn't think so……
Maori are not restricting access. They have a work programme of removing huts. Please do not conflate access with camping in a hut.
"Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. "
That doesn't make it not co-governance.
"Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose."
So Tuhoe themselves accepted the arrangement was co-governance.
"What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to."
Legally it is not their land. This is the point you don't seem to grasp. Te Urewera owns itself. Rightly or wrongly, that is what the treaty settlement determined.
You are fixated on co-governance. What is this all about?
Could you call it Mana Motuhake as that is what Tuhoe call it. Then we will know you are not using co-governance as some sort dog whistle to nay sayers about the concept. That is my great concern that people are holding up Tuhoe and saying we don't this so therefore as we don't like this we also don't want any other permutation. Which of course is rubbish if you don't understand the background.
Te Urewera is a 'The fee simple estate in the establishment land vests in Te Urewera and is held under, and in accordance with, this Act.
The management regime is by a board with majority Tuhoe appointments. The remining 3 are appointed by the minister of Conservation and are not DoC people.
Sections 3.4, 5 of the Act are important.
Te Urewera
Tūhoe and the Crown: shared views and intentions
(9)
Tūhoe and the Crown share the view that Te Urewera should have legal recognition in its own right, with the responsibilities for its care and conservation set out in the law of New Zealand. To this end, Tūhoe and the Crown have together taken a unique approach, as set out in this Act, to protecting Te Urewera in a way that reflects New Zealand’s culture and values.
(10)
The Crown and Tūhoe intend this Act to contribute to resolving the grief of Tūhoe and to strengthening and maintaining the connection between Tūhoe and Te Urewera.'
I think that vesting an entity away from NP, crown land etc and appointing a majority board is very close to saying it is administered/controlled by this board, …..as it should be.
The Board must consider and provide appropriately for the relationship of iwi and hapū and their culture and traditions with Te Urewera when making decisions, including—
Many areas of Maori owned land/Incorporations have management committees but no-one says that the owners sitting behind those chosen to be on a committee have lost all connection with the land
The board has members appointed by the trustees of Tūhoe Te Uru Taumatua
'Te Uru Taumatua represents the Tūhoe nation and the lands and wealth held in common for Tūhoe. The purpose of the Governing Board of Te Uru Taumatua is to lead and serve the cultural permanency and prosperity of Tūhoetana by unlocking the unity potential of Mana Motuhake. Advancing Tūhoe social and economic development in a way that is distinctively Tūhoe recognises that we will build the Tūhoe nation with our minds, our hearts and our hands.
Your Board is committed to getting the best and right skills, advice and expertise from within Tūhoe and outside. Tūhoe settlement assets and resources must be preserved and grown to support our development now and into the future. Tūhoe culture and heritage pathways must be directed and grown with this development.
This Board works for Tūhoe and on behalf of Tūhoe'.
You are splitting hairs when you say that the people of Tuhoe have no interest in the land…that they cannot call it 'their' land. Maori hold land interest very differently to the way land is held in the European system, Joint ownership is all, individualism is not.
Over the course of this discussion I have linked to the legislation the settlement, the management documents of Tuhoe. You have let all these drift over you preferring 'gotchas' from ignorant MSM or dated commentaries.
Why is this?
I am coming to the view that your interest is not in acquiring knowledge and therefore learning things about how different people in NZ structure their affairs.
It is an exercise in nit picking, splitting hairs, and mainly avoiding a 'fair, large and liberal' look at ways that land can be held and managed. It is also not about expecting the best of people, or of giving people a chance and neither is it respectful of the different ways that people can manage land.
It is not benign, it is not genuine.
Hopefully that you are not applying this once over lightly approach to the Maunga in Tamaki Makaurau.
If co-governance is to deliver on its very real potential, (and it can), there needs to be a recognition that the co-governance entity, and partners, are in place to deliver outcomes that are best for these special environments, and the people of New Zealand who are willing to respect and enjoy them.
I take that as meaning that many of the people who want Te Urewera returned to a more pristine condition, have secure lives and incomes elsewhere. And that this security is necessarily derived from places that are not, and cannot be, pristine.
So we cannot demand that someone else's land remains in its original condition without ensuring that their economic circumstances don't make it impossible, i.e. humans always and everywhere will do what is expedient to make their lives more comfortable.
I may have totally misinterpreted your meaning though.
to expect pristine when Te Urewera has always had a Maori presence……they have lived here forever.
to expect everything will remain unchanged just because we feel threatened by anything else.
not to give people a fair go on their land especially when they are working to maintain to a standard those areas they can in the span of their workcrews (they are not DoC) Why would a competent manager think it was sensible to maintain huts that are past their use by dates, are outside a span of competent land management?
not to recognise the aspirations of for Te Urewera involving creating biosphere reserve.
It was also mine until I read and digested the last paras, and noted the trigger words in the post. Neither were in quotes to signify that this was a view not supported but quoted from somewhere. I think Sanctuary believes that these words apply.
Unsurprisingly, you continue your preference for missing the points and choosing to misunderstand that your comment was the issue that I responded to; it was neither helpful nor constructive. In addition, you didn’t help your case with the inane response @ 2.2.1.2.1.1. I’d told you already that I read all comments but glossing over that is part of your MO here and you’re too fixated on your own navel.
So Tinderdry you know all about the background to this?
Where have you got your info from to speak on this?
Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach.
This homogenous group all thinking the same owes much to the concept of the 'noble savage'.
On every local authority in the land there are groups of councillors who do not think the same as each other or as some of their constituents. In those cases most of us think that having differing ideas is a good thing enabling all issues to come out and be discussed.
Why does this somehow morph into being a bad thing in Maori controlled organisation? You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular.
Why is that?
Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe.
'Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.'
Says it all really with a bit of humour lacking in MSM
"Where have you got your info from to speak on this?"
From, amongst other sources, the links I have provided.
"Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach."
No, I do not subscribe to the view that ‘all Maori are a homogenous race…’. Tamati Kruger has claimed to speak for all Tuhoe, as in this article, and it is clear that he doesn't.
"You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular."
Differing viewpoints is healthy.
"Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe."
It is also relevant to consider how TUT got to this place. This article provides some background, including disputes between TUT and DoC over maintenance of the huts and bridges inside the park.
In the context of your comment about " false equivalence that 'access equals huts' ", of course access doesn’t equal huts, but you might want to reflect on Tamati Kruger's comment that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."
‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’
Your quote
This seems like a good idea. DoC seem to be doing a fair bit of micromanaging.
In the context of your comment about " false equivalence that 'access equals huts' ", of course access doesn’t equal huts, but you might want to reflect on Tamati Kruger's comment that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."
I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. It is the role of the landowner to set priorities. Their priority is not about opening up. Fair enough. Another priority if you look at the work plans is to manage what they can and not to spread themselves too thinly.
I as a land owner also have my priorities on my land. Public access is also not a priority but I am working with arborists on trees at the front and this will have a benefit for the public as leaves or little branches may be less likely to fall on the pavement or in the stormwater drains.
I cannot locate it now but in some thing that you have linked to is a criticism that Tuhoe closed access during Covid. Really what silly ideas people have, during Covid we were restricted from travelling, warned about going to places where we might need to be rescued, keep close, don’t mix willy nilly. So Tuhoe follows this and is criticised for it.
You can see Tuhoe cannot win with statements like this being trotted out as if they were justified.
"‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’"
"I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. "
The problem is that Kruger's comments cut across the treaty settlement. He's trying to renegotiate the settlement by media, and that is precisely what will get people antsy about co-governance.
Tamati Kruger is trying to explain things in words of one syllable, comic form might have been easier, to people who are desperately trying not to understand.
Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc. If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments. Just because a settlement & legislation has been enacted it does not stop dialogue between Tuhoe and Ministers or other Treaty partners.
Kruger is attempting to remove DoC from the conversation, and replace them with the Crown-Māori Relations Minister. It is irrelevant whether you think this is a good idea, it is an attempt to amend the treaty settlement.
Kruger states that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi." Again, that is an attempt to change the treaty settlement. Kruger doesn't make that call. Public access is a right enshrined in the settlement. It is not exercised or prioritised at his whim.
“Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc.”
Are they? Can you provide some examples? The ones I’m aware of are financial adjustments that are built into the original arrangements.
“If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments.”
To raise them, yes. Not to unilaterally declare them
So the hut protestors are not trying to negotiate by media…..only Kruger. That figures. Goose/gander comes to mind.
What does this mean?
To raise them, yes. Not to unilaterally declare them
What is 'unilaterally declare' them? What is the difference between raise them and declaring them? Tuhoe can only raise them, if it wants to raise them strongly is that some sort of a problem?
In the declaration that public access is "“way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."". Kruger has done amazing work for Tuhoe, but it is clear he is out of step with a significant number of his iwi, and it is not his call to place the benefit of the iwi over a key element of the treaty settlement.
"What is the difference between raise them and declaring them?"
The difference in this context is seen in this article. DoC have been trying to deal with the safety issues in the park for years, but Kruger's comments mirror the resistance of TUT to allow the work to be completed. This is not in the spirit or the letter of the treaty settlement, and seems designed to exclude the public, at least for a time.
This is a gross over reaction and classic Maori-blaming but whatever floats your boat.
Let's hope this comment earns you a tweet from Moana Maniapoto saying "We see you, Shanreagh, and you're very, very special… a great Totara … a Woman of Great Mana … a unique Go-Between uniting the two noble races". And you'll go all giggly, won't you … like a small child who's just met an All Black.
A great example of an affluent Professional-Managerial Class narcissist – a Luvvie, if you will – paternalistically "protecting" powerful Māori as if they're small children – eternally innocent, eternally virtuous – … no matter the context.
I have no doubt you'd have automatically defended the slave labour thriving under iwi-owned enterprises within the fishing industry. Ostentatious displays of virtue-signaling for in-group reputational enhancement. The pure narcissism, pure self-indulgence of the bourgeois middle to upper-middle class. Entirely at the expense of the good of the Country.
#LuxuryBeliefs
[This is nothing but a personal attack on another commenter. Please cut it out – Incognito]
What tiresome ad hominem rubbish you speak rather than debating the issues.
Have you got any views on the concepts I have been raising like Maor world view, beliefs, legislation, treaty settlements or are you happy with your contribution of
Luvvie?
narcissist, self indulgence
luxury beliefs
What is missing though is your belief that 'I am a pretty little communist' and I really miss that kind of in depth response
Way out with the All Blacks though. Since 1981 they have left me cold. I have not seen a game on TV or in person since being a bystander at the Molesworth st happening and then being barricaded in my house by a Police presence at the top of my street, so buses full of weeing fans could unload, while defending the mighty boks and All Blacks at Athletic park.
Why do you think I would protect the items you have quoted in your last para. I have been talking only about Tuhoe not fishing? I really don't see the connection unless you are talking about the bed of the lake which was not part of the settlement and noting that Fish & Game Council still has jurisdiction.
Your ad hominem and misogynistic comments say more about you than me. That you are afraid to debate the issues so you are only able to take personal pot shots. Most of your suppositions about me are incorrect.
My simple point is this:
On a weighing of righting wrongs or keeping tattered, battered, rat ridden huts I automatically choose the righting of wrongs. In fact I would place the righting of wrongs above almost anything especially when it is the righting of wrongs where the state/crown had inflicted the wrong.
Swordfish presumably your priority is to keep the huts over the bigger picture of righting a wrong. This surprises me.
I do recall some pretty horrendous stories about your parents that may have knocked your view of people and you have automatically applied what you have endured there on a race based view to situations that are not the same.
If that is offensive to you then what can I say?
I'm still laughing at the All Blacks reference…how wrong can you be? I believed then, as I do now, that there is no sporting issue that should guide our diplomatic stance. I can see parallels that those who supported the Springboks could also be the ones to support the huts over the righting of wrongs to Tuhoe.
I like Moana but my favourite NZ poets would be Hone Tuwhare and Api Taylor. I have never heard the term Luvvie and am not paternalistic…a contradiction in terms for me really
I have lots of favorites of Hone's and love Api's He Rau Aroha: A Hundred Years of Love (Penguin), was a runner-up in the Pegasus Book Awards. This is a collection of short stories.
Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum.
There are pest management plans covering possum and other introduced pests if you cared to look on the sites run by Tuhoe.
As for pelts being taken instead of just left, this is such an old activity that really compounds the anti posters lack of knowledge about what has been going on here.
An uncle had traplines up here for years prior to and after the area was made into a NP. All legal and above board. there was always a market for good pelts and that was why in the old days when tramping and coming across a trapper hut or bivvy and the inevitable warm welcome you made sure about where you might sleep, that there might be a skin or two stretching out on the wirewove.
Even as late as the 1980s in hut on the big stations up close to the boundaries there were shepherds huts where the occupants were doing the same thing.
The skins had a market here in NZ but my Uncle, in an effort to maximise his returns, and because he did this as a living, used to send his pelts to the London fur & skin markets. These old time trappers did this not because they loved possums, far from it but because they loved the land, the bush and the isolation and could get a living from it. They saw themselves as being able to help in a small way with the recovery of the bush.
"Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum. "
Perhaps you could provide a link to support your assertion.
Because there is lots (and lots) of evidence the other way. Possums are a very significant ecological pest – which are largely uncontrolled by any predator (hence the need for trapping and/or poisoning).
You think I am being literal about lots of trampers causing damage as against the damage caused by a possum? Sad. But if this was what I was talking about I am sure there would be evidence about human overuse/degradation of landscape that then leaves the land prone to further degradation by introduced pests. Eg over use of high country land by stock, degrades tussock cover, rabbits get in etc
No I am talking about the damage to reputation, to mana, to a correct and preceptive view of history and an openness to facing the future that is caused by closed minds. The 'heavy footed' people are those of us who want to criticise without knowledge, to indulge in criticism of Maori life styles without knowing what and whether they fit in with a Maori world view, as opposed to a Pakeha world view.
For other 'heavy footedness' just read some of the earlier comments, made over this issue over the weekend.
For a view that draws on the plans for the future pl read the websites for Tuhoe and this about the issue being discussed.
Gosh – I'm glad you're not in charge of conservation….
Being put in charge of NZ conservation/environment is a hospital pass.
Only Parker is still in parliament. Former Minister for the Environment Goff went on to become Mayor of Auckland. Apart from MPs in the 6th Labour Government, no former Minister of Conservation is still in Parliament, although Wollaston and Chadwick went on to do stints are regional city mayors (Nelson and Rotorua, respectively), and that well-know environmentalist Dr Nick Smith is now Mayor of Nelson.
Mike Joy wins battle over ‘dodgy’ water stats
[updated 5 Jan 2022]
“Funny how it is always a mistake in one direction that is downplaying the problem, never a mistake where it was claimed to be worse than what it is.” – Mike Joy
…
You can almost hear Joy shaking his head over the phone about the state of groundwater in the province: “The whole thing, it’s just a train-wreck – intensive farming in Canterbury is a train wreck.”
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Former Environment Minister Nick Smith had promised in 2011 the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment would undertake five-yearly reporting, something scuppered by his replacement, Cantabrian Amy Adams.
Govt aims to get 90pct of rivers swimmable by 2040
[updated 23 Feb 2017]
Greens co-leader James Shaw told Newshub Nick Smith is "having a laugh" and he is "flabbergasted at the announcement".
…
"He must think we're stupid."
There's also Joe Walding (High Commissioner to the UK), Russell Marshall (High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and Ambassador to Ireland) and, more recently, Trevor Mallard (Ambassador to Ireland), who was Minister for the Environment towards the end of the 5th Labour Government.
Hopefully some of them had more than just an eye to their career pathways while they were doing their Ministerial duties, although you do have to wonder sometimes.
I'm certainly one who believes that all politicians should be mandatorialy (goodness, is that even a word) retired after a certain number of terms in office (combining local, national and official postings).
I don't think that political re-treads (from any party) do a good job representing our country overseas. Certainly not a better one than the people actually trained and educated to be ambassadors.
Well if you think that all the misinformation about Tuhoe that has been spouted today and over the weekend is theoretical ……
8000 people mislead by MSM 'shock horror' have signed some sort of petition in the belief that Tuhoe are doing something or not doing something on their land. So that is 8000 X 9 (the comms calc about complaints and how they spread to others) I would say that is far from theoretical.
I have not made a false equivalence. One possum destroys, we know that. Tuhoe knows that and has trapping etc programmes.
Just who will be working to ensure that the damage to the reputation of Tuhoe is mended after this onslaught. Will you be? Or do you still think the crown owned/ns the land, it is like a NP and Tuhoe have only a minor role.
You have shown that you are not able to understand my point and that is a pity. I agree that species are endangered, I said so in reply. I also feel that reputational damage is hard to overcome even if you are actually in the right, as Tuhoe is.
And, equally clearly, you have shown that you are …. unwilling … to consider the points that I and others have raised.
8,000 local people protesting – Tuhoe kaumatua among them – but hey, it's all bullshit from MSM (/sarc/). Your blinkers have narrowed your vision to the point that you're unable to see the cliff you're rushing towards.
Happy to consider them if you can get basic facts correct.
Sadly lacking so far and when I tried to broaden the idea that misinformed people can damage reputations you did not get the analogy and we had some fruitless debate. You still don't understand reputational damage do you?
You are now saying that 8000 misinformed people are worth more than the reputation of a group doing its best following the settling of a bad Treaty claim.
I have linked to this before. The ref to ‘Waimana’ are to those grumpy with the Tuhoe Board.
Te Kura Whare received disgruntled individuals and New Zealanders on the outer using a protest as a platform to air personal grievances. Placards displayed reveal the many layers of individual issues, that got 20 minutes of media fame.
Mentioned were DOC, Labour, TUT, Huts, even Trump, e ahu pēhea ana koutou? What is your plan?
Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.
Protestors willing to listen, let their guard down saw moments of agreement and understanding. Their anxiety eased, assured of access and Tūhoe structures will go up. A lot of the protesters left a bit embarrassed after Tribals shared wider context. It wasn’t just about huts – as they held firmly to their sign, as the discussions continued, that grip ‘save the huts’ placard loosened considerably.
You are quoting from what looks like an email from the Tuhoe iwi entity. This entity has been at odds before with its Kaumatua council, and the email you quote from reads more like a propaganda piece.
I've already linked to this article that details DoC attempts to progress remediation work on the huts, and Tuhoe leadership being a handbrake on that work.
"He (Kruger) also claimed there had been a decade of under-investment by DOC prior to the settlement – “we haven't really inherited assets, we’ve inherited liabilities” – and the $2m DOC provided each year for Te Urewera’s upkeep was “overly miserly”. But the documents show that money was not the impediment to repairing the dilapidated structures – DOC was offering to pay for everything. Rather, the problem was getting Tūhoe to approve a maintenance plan."
Also:
"In another report, English explained that DOC had provided a maintenance funding agreement to the TUT chief executive (Luke), “with the expectation that she would review it, and we would then proceed to signature. There has been no response. DOC has subsequently sent a reminder about progressing the agreement, but had no response. “Our understanding is that TUB believe that discussion about annual funding is one that should take place with the Minister [of Conservation]. There is no legislative authority for such decision making by [the Minister].”
I don’t know who’s calling the shots here, but this entire arrangement seems to be headed off the rails.
Always good to have a link to the real oil. But don't let any source of reality or another point of view put you off your quoting storm from an unknown MSM source.
Hundreds of tractors were driven into cities across New Zealand. One of those Invercargill protesters, dairy farmer Daryl Swney, said the Government’s new farm emissions' proposal would cost him $150,000 a year. He did not know how farmers would survive the cost, alongside other regulations.
These same farmers will be asking for taxpayer assistance if flooding that is amplified by climate change devastates their properties. The obvious problem is that reducing emissions won't reduce the effects of climate change in the short-medium term, because so much change is already baked in by past emissions.
And that is essentially a fiscal problem: farmers will be paying to reduce emissions (or passing those costs to the public), while simultaneously taxpayers will be paying to mitigate or repair the effects of climate change. The ledger does not balance out here – there is only cost. Public finances will be overwhelmed and living standards will fall at the same time. Hard to avoid the conclusion that we are now on the leading edge of utter chaos.
An article on Stuff this morning listing 11 things that National will repeal/reverse/scrap if they win the election next year. But naturally nothing about what they will do instead to fix the institutional problems of our country.
But we can guess. It will probably start with tax cuts for the rich, new multi-billion roads and fly-overs for Ford Ranger owning rural townies, building new prisons and cuts to public services.
The difference between National and Labour is that Labour valiantly keeps trying to make a rotten system better, but can't do it because it is too far gone, our public service is too small and too protective of its own privilege to do it anyway, and Labour lacks the balls, the money and the people to clean it out completely and start again from scratch. On the other hand National just gives up trying straight away and tries to fool us into thinking that doing nothing is actually doing something.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
Over the life of this country (at least since 1840), all the positive legislation that makes life better for ordinary kiwis has come from the left of the political spectrum.
Natz have largely just maintained the status quo.
But that approach will simply not work in the face of the existential crisis of climate change. Frankly, the market has no f*cking idea how to get us out of the environmental mess they have created.
We need interventionist governments prepared to do things: like three waters, fair pay agreements, rebuilding the health system, housing etc.
The rich don't use public hospitals or state school; all they need is roads to get to airports for their overseas holidays. Hence the Natz focus on roads.
This country can't afford another Natz/Act government.
Mike, what operating system are you using? What browser? Are they both up to date? Can you please post the exact text of the message, and if it’s from the browser or the os?
Any legislation to make day to day life a bit better for the "average" person does not and will not come from a National government. Paid parental leave they voted against and Labour has since its introduction steadily increased the payments. Sick leave, annual leave, KiwiSaver …… As long as the better off get a generous tax cut is first and foremost on their policy wish list.
My first reaction:
Blame the Hoskings and HdPAs.
Blame the tabloid media in general.
Blame the Nats and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Blame ACT and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Could be coincidental but did the culprit wait until Ardern was in Antarctica?
Edit: the article has now been edited. The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside. Fire trucks arrived to put out a fire. There was no staff there at the time.
The last "domestic terrorist" that smashed in the frontage of the Prime Minister's office in Mt Albert electorate did not do it when the PM was there either Helen Clark's office in Sandringham Rd had an axe put through the window one morning. It was very upsetting for the staff – I was upstairs doing some Labour Party work that morning so all we heard was the crash, but the office was closed for the day while the Police did the forensic stuff.
Yes, Visubversa, no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert.
Victims of the venomous Right. There have been quite a few of us over the years who were thus targeted. I was a nobody when it happened to me 30 years ago, so the police weren’t interested.
You know I did not say they only happen to Labour MP's and women PMs.
You know I was replying in the context of visibversa's comment @ 7.1
So why try to start a flame war?
I was similarly targeted by a woman who was planted in the Mt.Albert Labour Party 35 plus years ago. I know who put her there and why… but am not revealing the context or the identities here so don't bother to ask.
You said: "no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
When, actually, yes it is a coincidence.
I've provided one example of an attack on the office of a male PM – there are plenty of others.
Attacks on the electorate offices (and even MPs themselves – cf James Shaw) – are an occupational hazard in NZ (and in other countries as well).
I don't support it – or minimize it – but I acknowledge that it happens to many – right or left. Perhaps you could do the same.
Calling you on misinformation is not starting a flame war.
Oh yes it is starting a flame war when you know I was referring to a specific situation as was indeed Visubversa before me. Maybe I didn't choose my words ponderously enough for Madam but most people here don't mess around with silly semantics just to prove to the world they are always right and the target of the hour is wrong.
And to suggest I'm spouting misinformation on the subject only serves to further the suspicion by quite a few on this site that you are a person who thinks she has to be top dog in all things. 🙄
I'm not suggesting. You were spouting misinformation – as you have done in the past – and no doubt will do in the future.
Have you acknowledged, yet – I don't seem to see it in the responses – that actually attacks on electorate offices and individual politicans happen to members of all political parties – and males are affected as well as females.
Misinformation is not my game and never has been. You do yourself a disservice with your silly 'misinterpretations'.
I find your understanding on some technical matters pertaining to topics discussed here both useful and interesting. Then you go and spoil it.
"I've yet to acknowledge that attacks on electorate offices happen to all political parties?" (paraphrase)
We were talking about one specific office that was attacked yesterday. To suggest that I or anyone else is denying they happen to other political parties because we didn't mention them in dispatches is bordering on the idiotic.
I've been around the political traps on and off for 50 years and believe me I know a thing or two – as do others on this site. You might do well to ponder the fact our experiences are worthy of respect… even if you do imagine you know better.
I can't think of another MP who has physically attacked – rather than jostled in a crowd, etc. Although there have been some things thrown at right-wing pollies – which is pretty borderline, in my estimation.
If you want to argue that MPs are increasingly at risk from both physical and virtual attacks, I'll certainly agree with you. And there is research to back it up.
You’ve offered no good reason for me to revise my reply to your comment @7.2.1, simply because you've subsequently introduced physical assaults into the mix. If for some reason you bring yourself to acknowledge the objective truth of the misogynistic component in the venom directed at our PM then that’s disappointing, but tbh I’m not surprised.
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
Jacinda has a level of vitriol addressed to and about her. As did Key.
Popular politicians also have the converse of that popularity – it's only the mediocre ones who seem to attract little hatred (people go 'meh' rather than froth at the mouth.)
If it is misogynistic in relation to Ardern is is equally misandric (if that is the word) in relation to Key?
I will absolutely agree that online abuse of female politicians outweighs that directed at their male counterparts.
I don't see any evidence, however that physical assaults (on person or property) are greater for women than for men. In fact, the evidence I've linked to seems to show the reverse.
If you have evidence to show that I'm wrong, then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion.
And the initial comment was about the attack on Ardern's electorate office (not about any threats made to her). You are the one who initially widened the scope of the thread.
"Attacks on the electorate offices (and even MPs themselves – cf James Shaw) – are an occupational hazard in NZ (and in other countries as well).
I don't support it – or minimize it – but I acknowledge that it happens to many."
If that's not sufficient for you, then I unreservedly condemn the attack on the PM's electorate office. While acknowledging that it will almost certainly have been carried out by someone mentally unbalanced.
I read Anne's initial comments @7 and @7.2 about the recent attack on the PM's office, and the earlier attack on PM Clark's office that Visubversa wrote about @7.1.
In your first 'contribution', your reply (to Anne) @7.2.1, you wrote:
You then had the gall (@7.2.1.1.1 and @7:56 pm) to write that you were "calling" Anne "on [spouting] misinformation", when it was you, and only you, who had deliberately misrepresented what Anne had written. That's self-serving bad faith behaviour – plain as day.
You bad faith commenting continued when you offered this:
But to claim that only women are affected is simply not true.
– Belladonna @7.2.1.2.1
Once again, you, and only you, had made such a claim in this thread – it would be absurd to suggest otherwise. Readers can make up their own minds about why you would write such an absurdity – I know I have.
I stand by my reply to your comment @7.2.1 – that you subsequently introduced the spurious matter of the physical assault on Shaw into the mix is further evidence that you are not commenting in good faith – rather you are minimising and diverting.
It is open misogyny, visible on every platform and supported and promoted by upvotes on Reddit, laughing emojis on Facebook, comments about “that woman” on LinkedIn, and someone who looks like your Aunty referring to the PM as “Cindy” and calling her a “c…”.
It is targeted and increasingly violent misogynistic abuse and threats – illustrated by but not limited to the escalation in gendered hatred directed towards Ardern – being directed at public-facing women from central and local body politicians to journalists, public servants, academics and chief executives.
Imho our PM has shown considerable fortitude in the face of a veritable torrent of abuse and threats, including death threats – it can't be easy.
To our PM – hang in there – Kia kaha, and be kind
Belledonna's presence on this site appears – in part – to try and undermine this government. Its an age old trick to do it by way of attempting to score points off and ridiculing individuals who stand behind or support them.
It is the same ploy used by the right-wing dirty political brigade when they attempted to destroy Clarke Gayford's reputation by way of spreading false stories about him. Take for example the "nanny": meme. It's Jacinda Ardern they are aiming to hurt by despoiling the reputations of those around her. They did the same to Helen Clark.
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. Or, alternatively, your framing. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
"Staff evacuated after sword attack" in the headline and yet when you read the article "No injuries have been reported and the building was unoccupied at the time," police said.
So how do you evacuate an empty building.
Not good but the standard of reporting is terrible..
I think you will finds the police told them they couldn't occupy the office until they had finished their forensic examination. That could take several hours.
At the time the article was put together, the reporter wouldn't know the exact turn of events so just labelled it an evacuation.
Whatever, the psychological effect on the staff will be enormous because of a large sword left behind on the ground. I'm picking that was a deliberate act to threaten the staff and the PM.'
A typical example of the level of vitriol thrown at the Prime Minister. She is being criticised for taking her partner with her to Antarctica. A swag of former prime ministers have visited Anrtactica over the years and it looks like they all took their spouses/partners with them. Jesus.
" The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside". Why do we men always get the blame for this sort of madness?
Good to see that 2.75m given to the mob being put to good use by the Mongrel Mob. Did anyone actually believe the PR lady that they were no longer in to drugs? (she is awfully quiet now).
But at least all the gang members now vote Labour.
No I obviously don't personally have any evidence, but the police do as Mark Griffiths will be off to jail now. Actually if he gets the good judge probably home D.
I'm told the drugs were imported via printer cartridges. Well be needing to implement sanctions against the US administration and their cartel of printer suppliers now.
New Zealand's male violence towards women is further demonstrated by the deranged, cowardly attack on the PM's electorate office. There are too many men who cannot seem to accept and adapt to women's involvement in politics, government, local government, business, senior roles in any field. As soon as they rise to the top these pathetic men want to drag them down in one way or another. Anger, jealousy, "pretty communist" "Cindy", "girl in a skirt" that sort of nonsense never gets hurled at Chris Luxon. Time some people grew up.
Define woman. So unless there is a picture or a comment to precise that it was an adult human female – who may or may not identify as a 'woman' you actually have no idea who really committed the crime, i mean anyone who feels like a women can self identify as a woman, one can even change daily their gender expression and no alterations to bodies or faces need to be made in order to self identify as a woman. And i would like to point out that the person was not described as a 'cis' woman either. So really might just not 'sex' the criminal until more information is available.
In saying that, knife attacks, attacks on people with screwdrivers, ramraids, bashings etc is all up and i would assume this is do to mental health issues in many cases. And sometimes these mental health issues need more then just access to a 0800 number.
So give the criminal a few month of Home D, say 9 month? That seems to be a good punishment for crimes against 'human females" of all ages and their offices.
However, it was widely reported to be a man immediately after the attack.
Most of those reports have since been updated and corrected, and unfortunately most NZ media do not bother to follow best practice overseas of notifying readers of corrections. The requirement for links on The Standard is entirely reasonable, but the linked content often changes, and only screenshots (or our own memories) can confirm original reporting.
There were plenty of women involved in despoiling the centre of Wellington in February.
The difference is that deranged men have an additional bone of contention – Jacinda being a woman means that she is "not one of us" and thus more contemptible.
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New Zealand has joined a boycott of an upcoming counter-terrorism meeting being co-chaired by the Russian and Myanmar militaries, in a move welcomed by activists.
Perhaps you could have a word with the junta's suppliers, China, Russia, Belarus, Iran and Serbia.
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In most states, you cannot register a car without a valid driver’s license. However, there are a few exceptions to this rule. Exceptions to the RuleIf you are under 18 years old: In some states, you can register a car in your name even if you do not ...
Mazda, a Japanese automotive manufacturer with a rich history of innovation and engineering excellence, has emerged as a formidable player in the global car market. Known for its reputation of producing high-quality, fuel-efficient, and driver-oriented vehicles, Mazda has consistently garnered praise from industry experts and consumers alike. In this article, ...
Struts are an essential part of a car’s suspension system. They are responsible for supporting the weight of the car and damping the oscillations of the springs. Struts are typically made of steel or aluminum and are filled with hydraulic fluid. How Do Struts Work? Struts work by transferring the ...
Car registration is a mandatory process that all vehicle owners must complete annually. This process involves registering your car with the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and paying an associated fee. The registration process ensures that your vehicle is properly licensed and insured, and helps law enforcement and other authorities ...
Zoom is a video conferencing service that allows you to share your screen, webcam, and audio with other participants. In addition to sharing your own audio, you can also share the audio from your computer with other participants. This can be useful for playing music, sharing presentations with audio, or ...
Building your own computer can be a rewarding and cost-effective way to get a high-performance machine tailored to your specific needs. However, it also requires careful planning and execution, and one of the most important factors to consider is the time it will take. The exact time it takes to ...
Sleep mode is a power-saving state that allows your computer to quickly resume operation without having to boot up from scratch. This can be useful if you need to step away from your computer for a short period of time but don’t want to shut it down completely. There are ...
Introduction Computer-Assisted Translation (CAT) has revolutionized the field of translation by harnessing the power of technology to assist human translators in their work. This innovative approach combines specialized software with human expertise to improve the efficiency, accuracy, and consistency of translations. In this comprehensive article, we will delve into the ...
In today’s digital age, mobile devices have become an indispensable part of our daily lives. Among the vast array of portable computing options available, iPads and tablet computers stand out as two prominent contenders. While both offer similar functionalities, there are subtle yet significant differences between these two devices. This ...
A computer is an electronic device that can be programmed to carry out a set of instructions. The basic components of a computer are the processor, memory, storage, input devices, and output devices. The Processor The processor, also known as the central processing unit (CPU), is the brain of the ...
Voice Memos is a convenient app on your iPhone that allows you to quickly record and store audio snippets. These recordings can be useful for a variety of purposes, such as taking notes, capturing ideas, or recording interviews. While you can listen to your voice memos on your iPhone, you ...
Laptop screens are essential for interacting with our devices and accessing information. However, when lines appear on the screen, it can be frustrating and disrupt productivity. Understanding the underlying causes of these lines is crucial for finding effective solutions. Types of Screen Lines Horizontal lines: Also known as scan ...
Right-clicking is a common and essential computer operation that allows users to access additional options and settings. While most desktop computers have dedicated right-click buttons on their mice, laptops often do not have these buttons due to space limitations. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on how to right-click ...
Powering up and shutting down your ASUS laptop is an essential task for any laptop user. Locating the power button can sometimes be a hassle, especially if you’re new to ASUS laptops. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on where to find the power button on different ASUS laptop ...
Dell laptops are renowned for their reliability, performance, and versatility. Whether you’re a student, a professional, or just someone who needs a reliable computing device, a Dell laptop can meet your needs. However, if you’re new to Dell laptops, you may be wondering how to get started. In this comprehensive ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
I was initially resistant to the idea often suggested to me that the Government should deliver an arts strategy. The whole point of the arts and creativity is that people should do whatever the hell they want, unbound by the dictates of politicians in Wellington. Peter Jackson, Kiri Te Kanawa, Eleanor ...
Opinion by Lynley Hood. Forty years on from my 1985 Fulbright Grant, my disquiet over the war in Gaza evoked some troubling questions. The answer to my first question – What is the primary purpose of the Fulbright Programme? – was on the Fulbright NZ website. It says: US Senator, ...
The ministers responsible for green-lighting major projects need to be open about potential conflicts of interest, says Transparency International. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anastasia Powell, Professor, Family and Sexual Violence, RMIT University It has been a particularly distressing start to the year. There is little that can ease the current grief of individuals, families and communities who have needlessly lost a loved one to men’s ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Moore, Senior Research Associate, School of Ecosystem and Forest Sciences, The University of Melbourne Lichen, the first described example of symbiosis.AdeJ Artventure/Shutterstock Once known only to those studying biology, the word symbiosis is now widely used. Symbiosis is the intimate ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kim Hemsley, Head, Childhood Dementia Research Group, Flinders Health and Medical Research Institute, College of Medicine and Public Health, Flinders University Olena Ivanova/Shutterstock “Childhood” and “dementia” are two words we wish we didn’t have to use together. But sadly, around 1,400 ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Whiteford, Professor, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University The government’s Economic Inclusion Advisory Committee has just published its second report. It was set up by Treasurer Jim Chalmers and Minister for Social Services Amanda Rishworth in 2022 to provide: ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne The Queensland state election will be held in October. A YouGov poll for The Courier Mail, conducted April 9–17 from a sample ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Naeni, PhD candidate at Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation, Deakin University There’s been much talk in recent months about what a possible second Donald Trump presidency in the United States could mean for Europe, Russia’s war in Ukraine, the ...
A brief round-up of submissions on the controversial proposed law. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week, submissions on the controversial Fast-track Approvals Bill closed just hours after the government released a list of stakeholder organisations who were sent letters advising how they could ...
A poem from Robin Peace’s new collection Detritus of Empire: feather / grass / rock. Cereal giving I see a woman’s hands, see her curious hands break a stalk as she walks through the tall prairie, the savannah, the steppe, wherever it was. See her idly bite the grass that ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Hemingway’s Goblet by Dermot Ross (Mary Egan Publishing, $38)A handsomely produced (debossed cover, lovely ...
The Commissioner's decision validates the longstanding efforts of the local community and ensures that Awataha Marae will be managed to serve the needs of the local community, particularly for hosting tangihanga. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tristan Salles, Associate professor, University of Sydney Examples of Australian landscapes.Unsplash Seventy thousand years ago, the sea level was much lower than today. Australia, along with New Guinea and Tasmania, formed a connected landmass known as Sahul. Around this time – ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Felicity Castagna, Lecturer, Creative Writing, Western Sydney University Day Day Market, ParramattaPhoto: Garry Trinh I live on the edge of Parramatta, Australia’s fastest-growing city, on the kind of old-fashioned suburban street that has 1950s fibros constructed in the post-war housing boom, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Ryan, Teaching Fellow in Economics, University of Waikato GettyImagesfatido/Getty Images There is an ongoing global debate over whether the high inflation seen in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic can be lowered without a recession. New Zealand is not ...
The ‘Wicked Game’ heartthrob is in his late 60s now. That didn’t stop him putting on a lively, goofy and very sparkly show. Apart from ‘Wicked Game’, which graces a sultry playlist of mine simply called 💋, my last sustained Chris Isaak listening session took place when I was about ...
Analysis - Two ministers were stripped of portfolios in a warning to Cabinet, drama broke out at the Waitangi Tribunal, and the gang patch ban bill ran into opposition. ...
Tara Ward makes an impassioned plea for some vital pop culture merch. In April 1999, I became obsessed with a new reality television show called Popstars. Every Tuesday night, five strangers transformed into music royalty before my very eyes as Joe, Keri, Carly, Erika and Megan were chosen to form ...
PNG Post-Courier In the early hours of ANZAC Day, aerial photographs captured an impressive gathering of Australians and Papua New Guineans at Isurava in the Northern (Oro) Province. The solemn dawn service yesterday was held at a site steeped in history, where some of the fiercest battles of World War ...
The PSA is shocked that Oranga Tamariki has used the cost cutting drive to downgrade its commitment to Te Ao Māori and remove many specialist Māori roles. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Kemish, Adjunct Professor, School of Historical and Philosophical Inquiry, The University of Queensland There can be no more powerful symbol of the relationship between Australia and Papua New Guinea than the prime ministers of these neighbouring countries walking together on the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sharon Robinson, Distinguished Professor and Deputy Director of ARC Securing Antarctica’s Environmental Future (SAEF), University of Wollongong, University of Wollongong Andrew Netherwood Over the last 25 years, the ozone hole which forming over Antarctica each spring has started to shrink. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Viktoria Kahui, Senior Lecturer in Environmental Economics, University of Otago Getty Images/Amy Toensing Biodiversity is declining at rates unprecedented in human history. This suggests the ways we currently use to manage our natural environment are failing. One emerging concept focuses on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy Colin Bednall, Associate Professor in Management, Swinburne University of Technology marvent/Shutterstock Finding the best person to fill a position can be tough, from drafting a job ad to producing a shortlist of top interview candidates. Employers typically consider information from ...
Wondering where to host your next BYO? Whether its a small gathering or a massive party, we’ve got some recommendations. I was first introduced to the concept of BYOs at Dunedin’s India Gardens, a legendary but sadly defunct establishment, which purveyed enormous quantities of mango chicken to Aotearoa’s drunkest future ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julien Cooper, Honorary Lecturer, Department of History and Archaeology, Macquarie University Julien Cooper The hyper-arid desert of Eastern Sudan, the Atbai Desert, seems like an unlikely place to find evidence of ancient cattle herders. But in this dry environment, my new ...
The sector says it’s hopeful her replacement Paul Goldsmith will be able to throw it a lifeline, after six months with a minister deemed missing in action, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign ...
The government can't just rely on axing public sector jobs and has to do more to cut spending, says the chief economist at a free market think tank. ...
Rock The Vote NZ, known for its advocacy for minor party unity and its role within the Freedoms NZ Coalition during the 2023 General Election, celebrates this merger as a strategic enhancement of its operational strength and outreach. ...
Nearly everyone has experienced the frustration of something you use breaking and being difficult or expensive to fix. Proposed legislation could change that. It’s been raining on and off all Sunday afternoon but people are lining up outside a building in a corner of Gribblehirst Park in Sandringham, Auckland. In ...
What does a forever relationship look like when you don’t believe in marriage? And how do you celebrate it? This essay is part of our Sunday Essay series, made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.I’m going to do it, right now. I’m going to say ...
FICTION 1 Take Two by Danielle Hawkins (Allen & Unwin, $36.99) There’s commercial fiction, like this book, and then there’s quality fiction, quality writers, quality literature; the forthcoming Auckland Writers Festival is full of quality, and ReadingRoom has two tickets to give away to the following events: Paul Lynch (Dublin ...
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You can’t have missed the Gallipoli story as the movies, documentaries, essays and books capture what it was like for New Zealand troops in their eight-month campaign on the Peninsula. But this Anzac Day the Auckland War Memorial Museum has published a book that sheds light on a little-known aspect of the ...
The Prime Minister has committed to resuming direct flights to Thailand. But it’s not a promise he will be able to deliver on anytime soon. The post Prime Minister jumps the gun in Thailand appeared first on Newsroom. ...
It’s not that long ago Eliza McCartney was seriously wondering if the Paris Olympics would be her pole vaulting swansong. After years of being hounded by injury after injury, the Rio Olympics bronze medallist was still confident she would compete at her second Olympics in Paris in July, unless something ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra In the free-for-all between the Australian government and Big Tech boss Elon Musk this week, the government had to be on a winner. Most people would have little sympathy with Musk’s vociferous opposition to ...
Asia Pacific Report Chief Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa and Nelson Mandela’s grandson, has joined the Freedom Flotilla in istanbul as the ships prepare to sail for Gaza, reports Kia Ora Gaza. Mandela is also the ambassador for the Global Campaign to Return to ...
Pacific Media Watch Journalists who report on environmental issues are encountering growing difficulties in many parts of the world, reports Reporters Without Borders. According to the tally kept by RSF, 200 journalists have been subjected to threats and physical violence, including murder, in the past 10 years because they were ...
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Maybe there is a way out of the Poto Williams & Tamati Kruger ethno-vandalisim. (Stuff article quotes)
A spokesperson for the group, kaumātua Paki Nikora, said: “We are here because of the desecration of all our huts that have all had a historical connection to Tūhoe, and also all the hunters and trampers that frequented Te Urewera over 50 years plus.
“You can’t tell me a hut that sheltered our people for that long doesn’t belong to Te Urewera.”
"He said TUT did not represent all Tūhoe."
And local actual outdoor working Tuhoe (as opposed to indoor Ngati Taone) highlight one of my key worries–“Are you, minister, prepared to accept all responsibility … when all huts are removed and there's no shelter in the likelihood of emergencies, search and rescue, extreme weather events?”
And the clincher! “We don’t feel colonised by those huts,” he said. “We’re practical people, we just want the huts to stay in while we go hunting.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
By taking sides in a long running inter-tribal squabble?
https://www.teaomaori.news/tuhoe-marae-remove-support-te-uru-taumatua
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/353946/tuhoe-s-post-treaty-settlement-woes-evident-in-wake-of-festival
TUT and the environmental disaster that is their management of the Ureweras is a classic systemic outcome that inevitably happens when you give people a bunch of money and hand over control of a complex system when those people have no skills, no experience and no desire in managing the asset. Set up to fail, with the best of intentions all round I am sure. Pity about the Kiwi and the Kokako, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, eh?
TUT can do what they like with the Ureweras. I’m not some poor bastard who spent forty years of my life at war with introduced predators and gloried at the re-introduction of the Kokako. TUT clearly want to use the "park" as an asset to maximise the comfort of a subsistance lifestyle. None of this saving native flora and fauna. TUT are keen on a great leap backwards to the purity of the lifestyle of Te Kooti. Paddocks to graze horses and half-wild livestock. Over-run with pigs for an easy food source. Possums for pelts. Quiet valleys empty of nosy parkers like DOC, the police, and fussy Pakeha trampers are ideal for illegal activity to provide a nice stream of cash.
But like I said, they've got the park now and they can do what they want with it, they can shit in the woods all over the place for all I care. Tuhoe didn't sign the treaty, etc etc.
However, it's going to become our problem when their communities health crashes and the TB infested fauna, predators and lawlessness starts to bleed out of the borders of the third work ethnostate that is being created.
What then? One thing for sure – Tuhoe are busily demolishing any support for further co-governance initiatives in the conservation estate basically forever.
This is a gross over reaction and classic Maori-blaming but whatever floats your boat.
It isn't "Maori blaming". It is a simple statement of class based fact. The thing that needs to be honestly discussed here (instead of being a dick and playing the race card) is what TUT actually want. Everyone sits around singing Kumbaya to a deified idea of tribal Maori as the noble savage in tune with his environment. But what if they are just a bunch of dirt poor hillbillies behaving like dirt poor hillbillies everywhere behave?
If a bunch of middle class New Yorkers spent fifty years in an Appalacian park clearing paths, replanting chestnuts, re-introducing bald eagles and bears and wolves and building and maintaining huts then had to give the park back to a bunch of dumb local hard scrabble hillbillies who don’t like dangerous wild animals and they wrecked the huts and dug up the roads because they just want to be left alone by the federal authorities to moonshine, shoot squirrels and generally live like poor rural people you'd get the same level of dismay, but who is to say they are necessarily wrong? That is how they want to live, leave them alone.
I think we should cut the Kumbaya bullshit and have a grown up discussion about the purpose of the park is as it pertains to a community in grinding poverty. It is Tuhoe’s asset now, but it still part of New Zealand after all. If we were a bit more honest about procedings then we might come to something a bit more workable than what seems to be happening at the moment, which is a bunch of locals lying through their teeth about their real intentions to guillable Pakeha who desperately want to believe.
What role does anyone outside of the legla owners have over land that does not belong to them. There is legislation that appies to all of us and special legislation covering Te Urewera.
Why does this Maori owned land get singled out for attention?
What role will people intent on looking back to what happened when the land was a NP have? Why do they think they have a role? Is there something in our constitutional arrangements that enables beady eyed pakeha to say
'hey we know what is best'?
and 'we especially know what is best for Maori.'
Sounds pretty paternalistic to me.
Are you on the mailing list for the Iwi?
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
Have you read the aspiration and management plans?
Most of all I would like you to reflect on why you feel you have a right or that anyone has a right to blow a lot of reactionary hot air about.
Does it make a difference that Maori here have lived on this land since time immemorial? I think it does.
Pull your head in about using words like 'subsistence' in a pejorative way Not everyone is aspiring to follow the American Dream or a prosperity church where monetary riches mean everything.
More than anything 'will the sky fall in' if we let this group get on with their vision for the land?
No it won't.
Toi tu te whenua
The land alone endures.
Dude did you read what I wrote, or are you a bot?
I am not a dude and yes I did read it. At first I thought it was supportive of letting Tuhoe do as they want on land that is precious to them. However it was just wrapped up that way with the implied criticism being the stings all the way through like
subsistence life style
and this
The myth of naughty Tuhoe being responsible for other joint treaty based initiatives possibly failing. Is it co-governance when iwi hold the majority on the Board, when those appointed by the Minister are not DoC reps but people of vast experience in natural land use management etc?
The myth of this arrangement being co-governance,…it is governance as opposed to co-governance.
The trigger words such as 'ethno-state'
Are you saying that just because Tuhoe have got the land back that they are unable to have access to any of the Govt supports that other groups, land owners have. So TB, no access to any funding? so health no access to any funding, so lawlessness no police presence and access?
"The myth of this arrangement being co-governance,…it is governance as opposed to co-governance."
The arrangement is described as co-governance by the Maori Law Review.
The Deed of Settlement states "Te Urewera will have its own legislation and exist as a separate legal identity. It will be governed by Tūhoe and Crown nominees to act in the best interests of Te Urewera."
This article states "As a contrast to the successful Waikato River Authority, the Te Urewera co-governance agreement provides an indication of flaws the co-governance model can have and how it chafes against the reality that it does fail to give full effect to Treaty principles."
Where do you get the idea this is not a co-governance model?
Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. Two of these appointment that I know, I think, are not Maori but who knows anyone's whakapapa unless they care to share it. Minister of Conservation is not limited to appointing people from DoC or who are European. They are not there to push an party line or necessarily to espouse DoC's view.
Co-governance is being used as a loaded word to bash all hell out of ideas about Three Waters, Auckland Treaty settlement s etc. The concept is to bring about good governance or Mana Motuhake. The use of 'co' is best avoided unless giving a whistle out to nay sayers about Three Waters which you may be doing for all I know. .
I note your link to the Maori Law Review……I would make a small wager that if this was being written now as opposed to 2012 they would be unlikely to refer to it as 'co-governance' bearing in mind the rubbish being talked about 3 three waters etc.
You make no comment about what the actual paragraph says about Te Urewera and Tuhoe seizing only on references to bash me with your idea of the woes of co-governance.
This commentary is significant. In it Tuhoe are being consistent with their view of a step along the way……
'The issue with this fractured co-governance arrangement is a difficult one to grapple with when divorced from the historical context of the area. Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose. (my underlining) Kruger commented that “we are committed to washing away dependency on the Crown, and raising maximum autonomy for Tūhoe people".[24] Prioritising the authority of the Crown due to their greater resources undermines the purpose of restoring authority to Tūhoe. In practice, it keeps the land subject to Crown control, and does not practically aid mana whenua in engaging with the land.'
What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to.
Are you now going to get very concerned that there is not wholesale access to Ngamatea Station or Mt Linton Station. Both freehold land where the owners actively restrict access. …….I didn't think so……
Maori are not restricting access. They have a work programme of removing huts. Please do not conflate access with camping in a hut.
"Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. "
That doesn't make it not co-governance.
"Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose."
So Tuhoe themselves accepted the arrangement was co-governance.
"What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to."
Legally it is not their land. This is the point you don't seem to grasp. Te Urewera owns itself. Rightly or wrongly, that is what the treaty settlement determined.
tinderdry6 @5.03pm
You are fixated on co-governance. What is this all about?
Could you call it Mana Motuhake as that is what Tuhoe call it. Then we will know you are not using co-governance as some sort dog whistle to nay sayers about the concept. That is my great concern that people are holding up Tuhoe and saying we don't this so therefore as we don't like this we also don't want any other permutation. Which of course is rubbish if you don't understand the background.
Te Urewera is a 'The fee simple estate in the establishment land vests in Te Urewera and is held under, and in accordance with, this Act.
The management regime is by a board with majority Tuhoe appointments. The remining 3 are appointed by the minister of Conservation and are not DoC people.
Sections 3.4, 5 of the Act are important.
Te Urewera
Tūhoe and the Crown: shared views and intentions
(9)
Tūhoe and the Crown share the view that Te Urewera should have legal recognition in its own right, with the responsibilities for its care and conservation set out in the law of New Zealand. To this end, Tūhoe and the Crown have together taken a unique approach, as set out in this Act, to protecting Te Urewera in a way that reflects New Zealand’s culture and values.
(10)
The Crown and Tūhoe intend this Act to contribute to resolving the grief of Tūhoe and to strengthening and maintaining the connection between Tūhoe and Te Urewera.'
I think that vesting an entity away from NP, crown land etc and appointing a majority board is very close to saying it is administered/controlled by this board, …..as it should be.
Many areas of Maori owned land/Incorporations have management committees but no-one says that the owners sitting behind those chosen to be on a committee have lost all connection with the land
The board has members appointed by the trustees of Tūhoe Te Uru Taumatua
'Te Uru Taumatua represents the Tūhoe nation and the lands and wealth held in common for Tūhoe. The purpose of the Governing Board of Te Uru Taumatua is to lead and serve the cultural permanency and prosperity of Tūhoetana by unlocking the unity potential of Mana Motuhake. Advancing Tūhoe social and economic development in a way that is distinctively Tūhoe recognises that we will build the Tūhoe nation with our minds, our hearts and our hands.
Your Board is committed to getting the best and right skills, advice and expertise from within Tūhoe and outside. Tūhoe settlement assets and resources must be preserved and grown to support our development now and into the future. Tūhoe culture and heritage pathways must be directed and grown with this development.
This Board works for Tūhoe and on behalf of Tūhoe'.
https://www.ngaituhoe.iwi.nz/tut
You are splitting hairs when you say that the people of Tuhoe have no interest in the land…that they cannot call it 'their' land. Maori hold land interest very differently to the way land is held in the European system, Joint ownership is all, individualism is not.
Over the course of this discussion I have linked to the legislation the settlement, the management documents of Tuhoe. You have let all these drift over you preferring 'gotchas' from ignorant MSM or dated commentaries.
Why is this?
I am coming to the view that your interest is not in acquiring knowledge and therefore learning things about how different people in NZ structure their affairs.
It is an exercise in nit picking, splitting hairs, and mainly avoiding a 'fair, large and liberal' look at ways that land can be held and managed. It is also not about expecting the best of people, or of giving people a chance and neither is it respectful of the different ways that people can manage land.
It is not benign, it is not genuine.
Hopefully that you are not applying this once over lightly approach to the Maunga in Tamaki Makaurau.
"What role does anyone outside of the legla owners have over land that does not belong to them. "
The legal owner of Te Urewera is Te Urewera.
"Why does this Maori owned land get singled out for attention?"
This claim that Te Urewera is 'Maori owned land' is a distortion of the treaty settlement. Te Urewera owns itself and is co-governed.
"On 11 September 2012, Te Kotahi ā Tūhoe, the Ngāi Tūhoe negotiations team, accepted the Crown offer to settle the historical claims of Tūhoe. The Crown offer includes financial, commercial and cultural redress valued at approximately $170 million; an historical account and Crown apology; the co-governance of Te Urewera lands, which will be vested in a new legal identity created by legislation; and mana motuhake in relation to the delivery of government and iwi services to Tūhoe communities." (emphasis mine).
If co-governance is to deliver on its very real potential, (and it can), there needs to be a recognition that the co-governance entity, and partners, are in place to deliver outcomes that are best for these special environments, and the people of New Zealand who are willing to respect and enjoy them.
I take that as meaning that many of the people who want Te Urewera returned to a more pristine condition, have secure lives and incomes elsewhere. And that this security is necessarily derived from places that are not, and cannot be, pristine.
So we cannot demand that someone else's land remains in its original condition without ensuring that their economic circumstances don't make it impossible, i.e. humans always and everywhere will do what is expedient to make their lives more comfortable.
I may have totally misinterpreted your meaning though.
I have no problem with your interpretation AB.
On the wider I think it is cynical though
It was also mine until I read and digested the last paras, and noted the trigger words in the post. Neither were in quotes to signify that this was a view not supported but quoted from somewhere. I think Sanctuary believes that these words apply.
subsistence
ethno-state
Here's the stuff article link.
TUT is being openly critcised by some Tuhoe Kaumatua. Are they also 'Maori blaming'?
Why are you asking leading questions? Do you have anything useful to add to this debate?
Perhaps you should have waited the 21 minutes between my comments.
Perhaps you could have acknowledged that I provided the link.
Perhaps you should have read the comment I was responding to.
Perhaps you should not ask leading questions in spurious comments.
Perhaps nobody should have to wait for you here for 21 min, or however long, on the off chance that something more/better might be coming from you.
Perhaps the link as such was not such a problem but the linking behaviour was.
Perhaps I do read all comments but your comment was a problem.
Perhaps you have problems with reading comprehension.
Perhaps you should pull your head in.
If you had read the comment I was responding to, you would have understood.
Unsurprisingly, you continue your preference for missing the points and choosing to misunderstand that your comment was the issue that I responded to; it was neither helpful nor constructive. In addition, you didn’t help your case with the inane response @ 2.2.1.2.1.1. I’d told you already that I read all comments but glossing over that is part of your MO here and you’re too fixated on your own navel.
So Tinderdry you know all about the background to this?
Where have you got your info from to speak on this?
Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach.
This homogenous group all thinking the same owes much to the concept of the 'noble savage'.
On every local authority in the land there are groups of councillors who do not think the same as each other or as some of their constituents. In those cases most of us think that having differing ideas is a good thing enabling all issues to come out and be discussed.
Why does this somehow morph into being a bad thing in Maori controlled organisation? You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular.
Why is that?
Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe.
'Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.'
Says it all really with a bit of humour lacking in MSM
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
"Where have you got your info from to speak on this?"
From, amongst other sources, the links I have provided.
"Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach."
No, I do not subscribe to the view that ‘all Maori are a homogenous race…’. Tamati Kruger has claimed to speak for all Tuhoe, as in this article, and it is clear that he doesn't.
"You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular."
Differing viewpoints is healthy.
"Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe."
This 'private group' consists of Tuhoe Kaumatua. It includes 8,000 people who signed a petition to stop the hut removals. That suggests a fairly widespread dissatisfaction with what is happening within the community.
It is also relevant to consider how TUT got to this place. This article provides some background, including disputes between TUT and DoC over maintenance of the huts and bridges inside the park.
In the context of your comment about " false equivalence that 'access equals huts' ", of course access doesn’t equal huts, but you might want to reflect on Tamati Kruger's comment that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."
‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’
Your quote
This seems like a good idea. DoC seem to be doing a fair bit of micromanaging.
I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. It is the role of the landowner to set priorities. Their priority is not about opening up. Fair enough. Another priority if you look at the work plans is to manage what they can and not to spread themselves too thinly.
I as a land owner also have my priorities on my land. Public access is also not a priority but I am working with arborists on trees at the front and this will have a benefit for the public as leaves or little branches may be less likely to fall on the pavement or in the stormwater drains.
I cannot locate it now but in some thing that you have linked to is a criticism that Tuhoe closed access during Covid. Really what silly ideas people have, during Covid we were restricted from travelling, warned about going to places where we might need to be rescued, keep close, don’t mix willy nilly. So Tuhoe follows this and is criticised for it.
You can see Tuhoe cannot win with statements like this being trotted out as if they were justified.
"‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’"
"I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. "
The problem is that Kruger's comments cut across the treaty settlement. He's trying to renegotiate the settlement by media, and that is precisely what will get people antsy about co-governance.
That is complete and utter rubbish.
Tamati Kruger is trying to explain things in words of one syllable, comic form might have been easier, to people who are desperately trying not to understand.
Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc. If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments. Just because a settlement & legislation has been enacted it does not stop dialogue between Tuhoe and Ministers or other Treaty partners.
Kruger is attempting to remove DoC from the conversation, and replace them with the Crown-Māori Relations Minister. It is irrelevant whether you think this is a good idea, it is an attempt to amend the treaty settlement.
Kruger states that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi." Again, that is an attempt to change the treaty settlement. Kruger doesn't make that call. Public access is a right enshrined in the settlement. It is not exercised or prioritised at his whim.
“Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc.”
Are they? Can you provide some examples? The ones I’m aware of are financial adjustments that are built into the original arrangements.
“If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments.”
To raise them, yes. Not to unilaterally declare them
So the hut protestors are not trying to negotiate by media…..only Kruger. That figures. Goose/gander comes to mind.
What does this mean?
What is 'unilaterally declare' them? What is the difference between raise them and declaring them? Tuhoe can only raise them, if it wants to raise them strongly is that some sort of a problem?
"What is 'unilaterally declare' them?"
In the declaration that public access is "“way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."". Kruger has done amazing work for Tuhoe, but it is clear he is out of step with a significant number of his iwi, and it is not his call to place the benefit of the iwi over a key element of the treaty settlement.
"What is the difference between raise them and declaring them?"
The difference in this context is seen in this article. DoC have been trying to deal with the safety issues in the park for years, but Kruger's comments mirror the resistance of TUT to allow the work to be completed. This is not in the spirit or the letter of the treaty settlement, and seems designed to exclude the public, at least for a time.
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Shanreagh
Let's hope this comment earns you a tweet from Moana Maniapoto saying "We see you, Shanreagh, and you're very, very special… a great Totara … a Woman of Great Mana … a unique Go-Between uniting the two noble races". And you'll go all giggly, won't you … like a small child who's just met an All Black.
A great example of an affluent Professional-Managerial Class narcissist – a Luvvie, if you will – paternalistically "protecting" powerful Māori as if they're small children – eternally innocent, eternally virtuous – … no matter the context.
I have no doubt you'd have automatically defended the slave labour thriving under iwi-owned enterprises within the fishing industry. Ostentatious displays of virtue-signaling for in-group reputational enhancement. The pure narcissism, pure self-indulgence of the bourgeois middle to upper-middle class. Entirely at the expense of the good of the Country.
#LuxuryBeliefs
[This is nothing but a personal attack on another commenter. Please cut it out – Incognito]
What tiresome ad hominem rubbish you speak rather than debating the issues.
Have you got any views on the concepts I have been raising like Maor world view, beliefs, legislation, treaty settlements or are you happy with your contribution of
Luvvie?
narcissist, self indulgence
luxury beliefs
What is missing though is your belief that 'I am a pretty little communist' and I really miss that kind of in depth response
Way out with the All Blacks though. Since 1981 they have left me cold. I have not seen a game on TV or in person since being a bystander at the Molesworth st happening and then being barricaded in my house by a Police presence at the top of my street, so buses full of weeing fans could unload, while defending the mighty boks and All Blacks at Athletic park.
Why do you think I would protect the items you have quoted in your last para. I have been talking only about Tuhoe not fishing? I really don't see the connection unless you are talking about the bed of the lake which was not part of the settlement and noting that Fish & Game Council still has jurisdiction.
Your ad hominem and misogynistic comments say more about you than me. That you are afraid to debate the issues so you are only able to take personal pot shots. Most of your suppositions about me are incorrect.
My simple point is this:
On a weighing of righting wrongs or keeping tattered, battered, rat ridden huts I automatically choose the righting of wrongs. In fact I would place the righting of wrongs above almost anything especially when it is the righting of wrongs where the state/crown had inflicted the wrong.
Swordfish presumably your priority is to keep the huts over the bigger picture of righting a wrong. This surprises me.
I do recall some pretty horrendous stories about your parents that may have knocked your view of people and you have automatically applied what you have endured there on a race based view to situations that are not the same.
If that is offensive to you then what can I say?
I'm still laughing at the All Blacks reference…how wrong can you be? I believed then, as I do now, that there is no sporting issue that should guide our diplomatic stance. I can see parallels that those who supported the Springboks could also be the ones to support the huts over the righting of wrongs to Tuhoe.
I like Moana but my favourite NZ poets would be Hone Tuwhare and Api Taylor. I have never heard the term Luvvie and am not paternalistic…a contradiction in terms for me really
No Ordinary Sun – a poem for all times since 1945.
I have lots of favorites of Hone's and love Api's He Rau Aroha: A Hundred Years of Love (Penguin), was a runner-up in the Pegasus Book Awards. This is a collection of short stories.
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Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum.
There are pest management plans covering possum and other introduced pests if you cared to look on the sites run by Tuhoe.
As for pelts being taken instead of just left, this is such an old activity that really compounds the anti posters lack of knowledge about what has been going on here.
An uncle had traplines up here for years prior to and after the area was made into a NP. All legal and above board. there was always a market for good pelts and that was why in the old days when tramping and coming across a trapper hut or bivvy and the inevitable warm welcome you made sure about where you might sleep, that there might be a skin or two stretching out on the wirewove.
Even as late as the 1980s in hut on the big stations up close to the boundaries there were shepherds huts where the occupants were doing the same thing.
The skins had a market here in NZ but my Uncle, in an effort to maximise his returns, and because he did this as a living, used to send his pelts to the London fur & skin markets. These old time trappers did this not because they loved possums, far from it but because they loved the land, the bush and the isolation and could get a living from it. They saw themselves as being able to help in a small way with the recovery of the bush.
"Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum. "
Perhaps you could provide a link to support your assertion.
Because there is lots (and lots) of evidence the other way. Possums are a very significant ecological pest – which are largely uncontrolled by any predator (hence the need for trapping and/or poisoning).
https://www.pestdetective.org.nz/culprits/possum/
You think I am being literal about lots of trampers causing damage as against the damage caused by a possum? Sad. But if this was what I was talking about I am sure there would be evidence about human overuse/degradation of landscape that then leaves the land prone to further degradation by introduced pests. Eg over use of high country land by stock, degrades tussock cover, rabbits get in etc
No I am talking about the damage to reputation, to mana, to a correct and preceptive view of history and an openness to facing the future that is caused by closed minds. The 'heavy footed' people are those of us who want to criticise without knowledge, to indulge in criticism of Maori life styles without knowing what and whether they fit in with a Maori world view, as opposed to a Pakeha world view.
For other 'heavy footedness' just read some of the earlier comments, made over this issue over the weekend.
For a view that draws on the plans for the future pl read the websites for Tuhoe and this about the issue being discussed.
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
Gosh – I'm glad you're not in charge of conservation….
Because actual species being wiped out is just a tad more important than theoretical 'reputational damage'
Being put in charge of NZ conservation/environment is a hospital pass.
Only Parker is still in parliament. Former Minister for the Environment Goff went on to become Mayor of Auckland. Apart from MPs in the 6th Labour Government, no former Minister of Conservation is still in Parliament, although Wollaston and Chadwick went on to do stints are regional city mayors (Nelson and Rotorua, respectively), and that well-know environmentalist Dr Nick Smith is now Mayor of Nelson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Conservation_(New_Zealand)
Sounds like a pit-stop on an accelerated career pathway! Goff is now the High Commissioner in London.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-auckland-mayor-phil-goff-confirmed-as-top-diplomat-in-london/2AN3KI2COHOUCJS4LNYYUEZAVU/
Could be! Former Minister of Conservation Tim Groser skipped the perks and burdens of local Government and went straight to the post of New Zealand's ambassador to the United States of America.
There's also Joe Walding (High Commissioner to the UK), Russell Marshall (High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and Ambassador to Ireland) and, more recently, Trevor Mallard (Ambassador to Ireland), who was Minister for the Environment towards the end of the 5th Labour Government.
Hopefully some of them had more than just an eye to their career pathways while they were doing their Ministerial duties, although you do have to wonder sometimes.
I'm certainly one who believes that all politicians should be mandatorialy (goodness, is that even a word) retired after a certain number of terms in office (combining local, national and official postings).
I don't think that political re-treads (from any party) do a good job representing our country overseas. Certainly not a better one than the people actually trained and educated to be ambassadors.
Well if you think that all the misinformation about Tuhoe that has been spouted today and over the weekend is theoretical ……
8000 people mislead by MSM 'shock horror' have signed some sort of petition in the belief that Tuhoe are doing something or not doing something on their land. So that is 8000 X 9 (the comms calc about complaints and how they spread to others) I would say that is far from theoretical.
I have not made a false equivalence. One possum destroys, we know that. Tuhoe knows that and has trapping etc programmes.
Just who will be working to ensure that the damage to the reputation of Tuhoe is mended after this onslaught. Will you be? Or do you still think the crown owned/ns the land, it is like a NP and Tuhoe have only a minor role.
You have shown that you are not able to understand my point and that is a pity. I agree that species are endangered, I said so in reply. I also feel that reputational damage is hard to overcome even if you are actually in the right, as Tuhoe is.
And, equally clearly, you have shown that you are …. unwilling … to consider the points that I and others have raised.
8,000 local people protesting – Tuhoe kaumatua among them – but hey, it's all bullshit from MSM (/sarc/). Your blinkers have narrowed your vision to the point that you're unable to see the cliff you're rushing towards.
Happy to consider them if you can get basic facts correct.
Sadly lacking so far and when I tried to broaden the idea that misinformed people can damage reputations you did not get the analogy and we had some fruitless debate. You still don't understand reputational damage do you?
You are now saying that 8000 misinformed people are worth more than the reputation of a group doing its best following the settling of a bad Treaty claim.
I have linked to this before. The ref to ‘Waimana’ are to those grumpy with the Tuhoe Board.
Mentioned were DOC, Labour, TUT, Huts, even Trump, e ahu pēhea ana koutou? What is your plan?
Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.
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You are quoting from what looks like an email from the Tuhoe iwi entity. This entity has been at odds before with its Kaumatua council, and the email you quote from reads more like a propaganda piece.
I've already linked to this article that details DoC attempts to progress remediation work on the huts, and Tuhoe leadership being a handbrake on that work.
"He (Kruger) also claimed there had been a decade of under-investment by DOC prior to the settlement – “we haven't really inherited assets, we’ve inherited liabilities” – and the $2m DOC provided each year for Te Urewera’s upkeep was “overly miserly”. But the documents show that money was not the impediment to repairing the dilapidated structures – DOC was offering to pay for everything. Rather, the problem was getting Tūhoe to approve a maintenance plan."
Also:
"In another report, English explained that DOC had provided a maintenance funding agreement to the TUT chief executive (Luke), “with the expectation that she would review it, and we would then proceed to signature. There has been no response. DOC has subsequently sent a reminder about progressing the agreement, but had no response. “Our understanding is that TUB believe that discussion about annual funding is one that should take place with the Minister [of Conservation]. There is no legislative authority for such decision making by [the Minister].”
I don’t know who’s calling the shots here, but this entire arrangement seems to be headed off the rails.
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Always good to have a link to the real oil. But don't let any source of reality or another point of view put you off your quoting storm from an unknown MSM source.
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
Michievous people have conflated huts with access. Hopefully you were not one of them.
Farmers are revolting!
"“They can’t prosecute us all.”
She asked the hundreds of people at the meeting to stand with her in boycotting the consents and almost all did."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130286957/fed-farmers-call-for-alternative-farming-emissions-proposal
So he a $150,000 Emitter ! He must be one of the high falutin', pollutin', AND revoltin'
Urrgh
Or as Stuart Gray said a member of the pollutocrat tribe of the Nats.
These same farmers will be asking for taxpayer assistance if flooding that is amplified by climate change devastates their properties. The obvious problem is that reducing emissions won't reduce the effects of climate change in the short-medium term, because so much change is already baked in by past emissions.
And that is essentially a fiscal problem: farmers will be paying to reduce emissions (or passing those costs to the public), while simultaneously taxpayers will be paying to mitigate or repair the effects of climate change. The ledger does not balance out here – there is only cost. Public finances will be overwhelmed and living standards will fall at the same time. Hard to avoid the conclusion that we are now on the leading edge of utter chaos.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130273077/12-things-the-national-party-says-it-will-repeal-reverse-and-scrap
Geez, Natz policy.
Be nice to see some positive policies.
Not going to happen from a party that couldn't produce them whilst in power. It's now a vehicle for dissent, negativity, dirty politics and privilege.
All feed and watered by our owned media with these faux culture wars.
An article on Stuff this morning listing 11 things that National will repeal/reverse/scrap if they win the election next year. But naturally nothing about what they will do instead to fix the institutional problems of our country.
But we can guess. It will probably start with tax cuts for the rich, new multi-billion roads and fly-overs for Ford Ranger owning rural townies, building new prisons and cuts to public services.
The difference between National and Labour is that Labour valiantly keeps trying to make a rotten system better, but can't do it because it is too far gone, our public service is too small and too protective of its own privilege to do it anyway, and Labour lacks the balls, the money and the people to clean it out completely and start again from scratch. On the other hand National just gives up trying straight away and tries to fool us into thinking that doing nothing is actually doing something.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
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Absolutely right, Mike.
Over the life of this country (at least since 1840), all the positive legislation that makes life better for ordinary kiwis has come from the left of the political spectrum.
Natz have largely just maintained the status quo.
But that approach will simply not work in the face of the existential crisis of climate change. Frankly, the market has no f*cking idea how to get us out of the environmental mess they have created.
We need interventionist governments prepared to do things: like three waters, fair pay agreements, rebuilding the health system, housing etc.
The rich don't use public hospitals or state school; all they need is roads to get to airports for their overseas holidays. Hence the Natz focus on roads.
This country can't afford another Natz/Act government.
Sorry I can't seem to post links. I will try to find out how.
Noted and let us know if you need help with that.
Everytime I try to post a link I get a message saying it isn't supported. It is an IMAC and contrary to Apple's claims they don't make things easier.
Thanks. I’ve left a note in the back-end and hopefully someone will be able to help you with this.
Mike, what operating system are you using? What browser? Are they both up to date? Can you please post the exact text of the message, and if it’s from the browser or the os?
Any legislation to make day to day life a bit better for the "average" person does not and will not come from a National government. Paid parental leave they voted against and Labour has since its introduction steadily increased the payments. Sick leave, annual leave, KiwiSaver …… As long as the better off get a generous tax cut is first and foremost on their policy wish list.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pms-office-attack-staff-evacuated-after-sword-used-to-damage-jacinda-arderns-auckland-office/ZUJBADSS3Y7IQ4DLA5DCM552IE/
Just in.
My first reaction:
Blame the Hoskings and HdPAs.
Blame the tabloid media in general.
Blame the Nats and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Blame ACT and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Could be coincidental but did the culprit wait until Ardern was in Antarctica?
Edit: the article has now been edited. The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside. Fire trucks arrived to put out a fire. There was no staff there at the time.
The last "domestic terrorist" that smashed in the frontage of the Prime Minister's office in Mt Albert electorate did not do it when the PM was there either Helen Clark's office in Sandringham Rd had an axe put through the window one morning. It was very upsetting for the staff – I was upstairs doing some Labour Party work that morning so all we heard was the crash, but the office was closed for the day while the Police did the forensic stuff.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-admits-to-putting-axe-through-prime-ministers-window/27HOEJFHOWJYNMQH6IEOKKVBJY/
An up to date version from Stuff:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300721972/samurai-sword-at-scene-of-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-smashed-auckland-electoral-office
Yes, Visubversa, no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert.
Victims of the venomous Right. There have been quite a few of us over the years who were thus targeted. I was a nobody when it happened to me 30 years ago, so the police weren’t interested.
Oh, come on, Anne!
It certainly hasn't only happened to Labour PMs or to women PMs
John Key's electorate office was firebombed
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/key-has-no-idea-why-office-was-attacked
Was he a victim of the venomous Left?
You know I did not say they only happen to Labour MP's and women PMs.
You know I was replying in the context of visibversa's comment @ 7.1
So why try to start a flame war?
I was similarly targeted by a woman who was planted in the Mt.Albert Labour Party 35 plus years ago. I know who put her there and why… but am not revealing the context or the identities here so don't bother to ask.
You said: "no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
When, actually, yes it is a coincidence.
I've provided one example of an attack on the office of a male PM – there are plenty of others.
Attacks on the electorate offices (and even MPs themselves – cf James Shaw) – are an occupational hazard in NZ (and in other countries as well).
I don't support it – or minimize it – but I acknowledge that it happens to many – right or left. Perhaps you could do the same.
Calling you on misinformation is not starting a flame war.
Oh yes it is starting a flame war when you know I was referring to a specific situation as was indeed Visubversa before me. Maybe I didn't choose my words ponderously enough for Madam but most people here don't mess around with silly semantics just to prove to the world they are always right and the target of the hour is wrong.
And to suggest I'm spouting misinformation on the subject only serves to further the suspicion by quite a few on this site that you are a person who thinks she has to be top dog in all things. 🙄
I'm not suggesting. You were spouting misinformation – as you have done in the past – and no doubt will do in the future.
Have you acknowledged, yet – I don't seem to see it in the responses – that actually attacks on electorate offices and individual politicans happen to members of all political parties – and males are affected as well as females.
Misinformation is not my game and never has been. You do yourself a disservice with your silly 'misinterpretations'.
I find your understanding on some technical matters pertaining to topics discussed here both useful and interesting. Then you go and spoil it.
"I've yet to acknowledge that attacks on electorate offices happen to all political parties?" (paraphrase)
We were talking about one specific office that was attacked yesterday. To suggest that I or anyone else is denying they happen to other political parties because we didn't mention them in dispatches is bordering on the idiotic.
I've been around the political traps on and off for 50 years and believe me I know a thing or two – as do others on this site. You might do well to ponder the fact our experiences are worthy of respect… even if you do imagine you know better.
Can you detect the strong whiff of misogyny in the venom directed against our PM? If not then please see your GP.
Haven't 'times' changed – 'funny' that.
Some people eh? Wonder what might still be going through their 'minds'.
Meanwhile, the MP who has actually been personally physically attacked – is James Shaw. A bloke.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/james-shaw-attacked.html
I can't think of another MP who has physically attacked – rather than jostled in a crowd, etc. Although there have been some things thrown at right-wing pollies – which is pretty borderline, in my estimation.
[Edit – I’ve just found this link to a series of physical attacks on politicians over the years – all were blokes – (in my defence, many are from well before I had any active interest in politics)]
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/beaten-bloodied-and-bruised-the-mps-attacked-over-the-years/5KA355JWECKJZJRI7UDYD66I5Y/
If you want to argue that MPs are increasingly at risk from both physical and virtual attacks, I'll certainly agree with you. And there is research to back it up.
https://www.otago.ac.nz/news/news/otago104620.pdf
But to claim that only women are affected is simply not true.
Another extraordinary claim – tell me who made it and I will ‘have words’.
Oh, come on, Belladonna!
You’ve offered no good reason for me to revise my reply to your comment @7.2.1, simply because you've subsequently introduced physical assaults into the mix. If for some reason you bring yourself to acknowledge the objective truth of the misogynistic component in the venom directed at our PM then that’s disappointing, but tbh I’m not surprised.
Try reading Anne's initial comment
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
Jacinda has a level of vitriol addressed to and about her. As did Key.
Popular politicians also have the converse of that popularity – it's only the mediocre ones who seem to attract little hatred (people go 'meh' rather than froth at the mouth.)
If it is misogynistic in relation to Ardern is is equally misandric (if that is the word) in relation to Key?
I will absolutely agree that online abuse of female politicians outweighs that directed at their male counterparts.
I don't see any evidence, however that physical assaults (on person or property) are greater for women than for men. In fact, the evidence I've linked to seems to show the reverse.
If you have evidence to show that I'm wrong, then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion.
And the initial comment was about the attack on Ardern's electorate office (not about any threats made to her). You are the one who initially widened the scope of the thread.
It's kind of frightening you have so far failed to condemn the samurai sword attack on the PM's electorate office.
Apologies if you have, but I don't want to wade through all your comments today. Far too draining and depressing.
You (and others from the right) seem to me to be spending a lot of time minimising this incident…
Quote from up the thread
If that's not sufficient for you, then I unreservedly condemn the attack on the PM's electorate office. While acknowledging that it will almost certainly have been carried out by someone mentally unbalanced.
I read Anne's initial comments @7 and @7.2 about the recent attack on the PM's office, and the earlier attack on PM Clark's office that Visubversa wrote about @7.1.
In your first 'contribution', your reply (to Anne) @7.2.1, you wrote:
Which is an indisputable statement, but also a tad odd – given that no one had suggested otherwise. Anne (@7.2.1.1) made this crystal clear for you:
You then had the gall (@7.2.1.1.1 and @7:56 pm) to write that you were "calling" Anne "on [spouting] misinformation", when it was you, and only you, who had deliberately misrepresented what Anne had written. That's self-serving bad faith behaviour – plain as day.
You bad faith commenting continued when you offered this:
Once again, you, and only you, had made such a claim in this thread – it would be absurd to suggest otherwise. Readers can make up their own minds about why you would write such an absurdity – I know I have.
I stand by my reply to your comment @7.2.1 – that you subsequently introduced the spurious matter of the physical assault on Shaw into the mix is further evidence that you are not commenting in good faith – rather you are minimising and diverting.
Imho our PM has shown considerable fortitude in the face of a veritable torrent of abuse and threats, including death threats – it can't be easy.
To our PM – hang in there – Kia kaha, and be kind
Thanks Drowsy M Kram.
Belledonna's presence on this site appears – in part – to try and undermine this government. Its an age old trick to do it by way of attempting to score points off and ridiculing individuals who stand behind or support them.
It is the same ploy used by the right-wing dirty political brigade when they attempted to destroy Clarke Gayford's reputation by way of spreading false stories about him. Take for example the "nanny": meme. It's Jacinda Ardern they are aiming to hurt by despoiling the reputations of those around her. They did the same to Helen Clark.
Helen rose above them and so will Jacinda.
No worries Anne – when reading a 'Belladonna' comment, I often think 'With respectful centrists like that, who needs NAct supporters.'
Sorry, that should read:
"But to claim that only women are affected is simply not true."
Bullshit. No-one is claiming only women parliamentarians get attacked.
You are the one indulging in cute misinformation.
Sigh. Try reading your own comment:
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. Or, alternatively, your framing. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
"Staff evacuated after sword attack" in the headline and yet when you read the article "No injuries have been reported and the building was unoccupied at the time," police said.
So how do you evacuate an empty building.
Not good but the standard of reporting is terrible..
From the Stuff report at 7.2 above:
Deb Fong, who owns a yoga studio next-door to the electoral office, said she could smell smoke in her studio.
An office is not the same as a building.
The report quotes the police statement.
I think you will finds the police told them they couldn't occupy the office until they had finished their forensic examination. That could take several hours.
At the time the article was put together, the reporter wouldn't know the exact turn of events so just labelled it an evacuation.
Whatever, the psychological effect on the staff will be enormous because of a large sword left behind on the ground. I'm picking that was a deliberate act to threaten the staff and the PM.'
In the Helen Clark case it was an axe.
A typical example of the level of vitriol thrown at the Prime Minister. She is being criticised for taking her partner with her to Antarctica. A swag of former prime ministers have visited Anrtactica over the years and it looks like they all took their spouses/partners with them. Jesus.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-on-antarctica-climate-change-research-and-why-she-brought-partner-clarke-gayford/EHKU7F2Y75E2DO74VWHPOSOGAA/
" The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside". Why do we men always get the blame for this sort of madness?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300721972/woman-arrested-after-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-auckland-electoral-office-damaged
"We" don't.
The reports said it was a man, including eye-witness comments. Later the reports changed.
Good to see that 2.75m given to the mob being put to good use by the Mongrel Mob. Did anyone actually believe the PR lady that they were no longer in to drugs? (she is awfully quiet now).
But at least all the gang members now vote Labour.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130267411/antidrug-mongrel-mobs-man-was-meth-kingpin
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/446739/ardern-backs-2-point-75m-support-for-mongrel-mob-meth-addiction-programme
The recipients were a group called Hard2Reach, fronted by Harry Tam and anthropologist and public health researcher Angie Wilkinson.
Do you have evidence that either is involved in the drug trade?
No I obviously don't personally have any evidence, but the police do as Mark Griffiths will be off to jail now. Actually if he gets the good judge probably home D.
So why the inference that Harry Tam and anthropologist and public health researcher Angie Wilkinson are connected to Griffiths' offending?
/equally bad take
I'm told the drugs were imported via printer cartridges. Well be needing to implement sanctions against the US administration and their cartel of printer suppliers now.
/equally bad take finished
New Zealand's male violence towards women is further demonstrated by the deranged, cowardly attack on the PM's electorate office. There are too many men who cannot seem to accept and adapt to women's involvement in politics, government, local government, business, senior roles in any field. As soon as they rise to the top these pathetic men want to drag them down in one way or another. Anger, jealousy, "pretty communist" "Cindy", "girl in a skirt" that sort of nonsense never gets hurled at Chris Luxon. Time some people grew up.
police have arrested a 57 year old Woman .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300721972/woman-arrested-after-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-auckland-electoral-office-damaged
Define woman. So unless there is a picture or a comment to precise that it was an adult human female – who may or may not identify as a 'woman' you actually have no idea who really committed the crime, i mean anyone who feels like a women can self identify as a woman, one can even change daily their gender expression and no alterations to bodies or faces need to be made in order to self identify as a woman. And i would like to point out that the person was not described as a 'cis' woman either. So really might just not 'sex' the criminal until more information is available.
In saying that, knife attacks, attacks on people with screwdrivers, ramraids, bashings etc is all up and i would assume this is do to mental health issues in many cases. And sometimes these mental health issues need more then just access to a 0800 number.
So give the criminal a few month of Home D, say 9 month? That seems to be a good punishment for crimes against 'human females" of all ages and their offices.
The change in sex reported is noted.
It'll be worth seeing why that happened.
coincidentally Fond of Beetles has this thread up this morning.
https://twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1585706618930532360
Correct, a woman has been arrested.
However, it was widely reported to be a man immediately after the attack.
Most of those reports have since been updated and corrected, and unfortunately most NZ media do not bother to follow best practice overseas of notifying readers of corrections. The requirement for links on The Standard is entirely reasonable, but the linked content often changes, and only screenshots (or our own memories) can confirm original reporting.
"New Zealand's male violence towards women is further demonstrated by the deranged, cowardly attack on the PM's electorate office"
What made you jump to the conclusion that it would be a man attacking the PM's office?
They have arrested a woman. When Jacinda was abused up north a while ago that was a woman too.
For the 3rd time – it was reported in the media as being a man. The story at 10 am was not the story at 1l am or 1 pm.
Perhaps you could read the comments before "jumping to a conclusion".
Derangement is not peculiar to men.
There were plenty of women involved in despoiling the centre of Wellington in February.
The difference is that deranged men have an additional bone of contention – Jacinda being a woman means that she is "not one of us" and thus more contemptible.
More war crimes. So the question that has to be asked, is our government not acting because they are not white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo6F-2ssMRY
What would you like our government to do?
Rescind the free trade agreement for starters.
Provide humanitarian aid to the civilians families being killed.
Cut off the military from arms and weapons – with us pulling out of all free trade agreements with those who supply them.
This is not enough – more than we would of got from the nat's, sure. But not enough.
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BANGKOK (AP) — New Zealand said Thursday it will not deal with Myanmar under a major 15-nation trade agreement, the world’s largest that took effect this year, citing the deadly violence and democratic setbacks in the Southeast Asian country after the military seized power last year.
https://apnews.com/article/business-asia-new-zealand-myanmar-global-trade-b54b9f97ddeb4287762ea2797e44de8d
New Zealand has joined a boycott of an upcoming counter-terrorism meeting being co-chaired by the Russian and Myanmar militaries, in a move welcomed by activists.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-to-boycott-counter-terrorism-meeting-over-russia-myanmar-roles
Your links are months old, and they did not work.
As my main link shows, they have not worked for months.
Shut the door to this militarism
Cut off the arms.
How TF would you know?
How. Regime change?
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Perhaps you could have a word with the junta's suppliers, China, Russia, Belarus, Iran and Serbia.
/
Meanwhile, the EU and US have banned the supply of arms and any dual use goods, restricted export of comms and monitoring systems that could be used for internal suppression and suspended all and training and cooperation. And sanctions on dozens of individuals and organisations include asset freezes and bans on listed people from entering or transiting through US and EU territory.
I sure hope the Fonterra sales team is flogging our milk powder outside China.