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Maybe there is a way out of the Poto Williams & Tamati Kruger ethno-vandalisim. (Stuff article quotes)
A spokesperson for the group, kaumātua Paki Nikora, said: “We are here because of the desecration of all our huts that have all had a historical connection to Tūhoe, and also all the hunters and trampers that frequented Te Urewera over 50 years plus.
“You can’t tell me a hut that sheltered our people for that long doesn’t belong to Te Urewera.”
"He said TUT did not represent all Tūhoe."
And local actual outdoor working Tuhoe (as opposed to indoor Ngati Taone) highlight one of my key worries–“Are you, minister, prepared to accept all responsibility … when all huts are removed and there's no shelter in the likelihood of emergencies, search and rescue, extreme weather events?”
And the clincher! “We don’t feel colonised by those huts,” he said. “We’re practical people, we just want the huts to stay in while we go hunting.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
TUT and the environmental disaster that is their management of the Ureweras is a classic systemic outcome that inevitably happens when you give people a bunch of money and hand over control of a complex system when those people have no skills, no experience and no desire in managing the asset. Set up to fail, with the best of intentions all round I am sure. Pity about the Kiwi and the Kokako, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, eh?
TUT can do what they like with the Ureweras. I’m not some poor bastard who spent forty years of my life at war with introduced predators and gloried at the re-introduction of the Kokako. TUT clearly want to use the "park" as an asset to maximise the comfort of a subsistance lifestyle. None of this saving native flora and fauna. TUT are keen on a great leap backwards to the purity of the lifestyle of Te Kooti. Paddocks to graze horses and half-wild livestock. Over-run with pigs for an easy food source. Possums for pelts. Quiet valleys empty of nosy parkers like DOC, the police, and fussy Pakeha trampers are ideal for illegal activity to provide a nice stream of cash.
But like I said, they've got the park now and they can do what they want with it, they can shit in the woods all over the place for all I care. Tuhoe didn't sign the treaty, etc etc.
However, it's going to become our problem when their communities health crashes and the TB infested fauna, predators and lawlessness starts to bleed out of the borders of the third work ethnostate that is being created.
What then? One thing for sure – Tuhoe are busily demolishing any support for further co-governance initiatives in the conservation estate basically forever.
It isn't "Maori blaming". It is a simple statement of class based fact. The thing that needs to be honestly discussed here (instead of being a dick and playing the race card) is what TUT actually want. Everyone sits around singing Kumbaya to a deified idea of tribal Maori as the noble savage in tune with his environment. But what if they are just a bunch of dirt poor hillbillies behaving like dirt poor hillbillies everywhere behave?
If a bunch of middle class New Yorkers spent fifty years in an Appalacian park clearing paths, replanting chestnuts, re-introducing bald eagles and bears and wolves and building and maintaining huts then had to give the park back to a bunch of dumb local hard scrabble hillbillies who don’t like dangerous wild animals and they wrecked the huts and dug up the roads because they just want to be left alone by the federal authorities to moonshine, shoot squirrels and generally live like poor rural people you'd get the same level of dismay, but who is to say they are necessarily wrong? That is how they want to live, leave them alone.
I think we should cut the Kumbaya bullshit and have a grown up discussion about the purpose of the park is as it pertains to a community in grinding poverty. It is Tuhoe’s asset now, but it still part of New Zealand after all. If we were a bit more honest about procedings then we might come to something a bit more workable than what seems to be happening at the moment, which is a bunch of locals lying through their teeth about their real intentions to guillable Pakeha who desperately want to believe.
What role does anyone outside of the legla owners have over land that does not belong to them. There is legislation that appies to all of us and special legislation covering Te Urewera.
Why does this Maori owned land get singled out for attention?
What role will people intent on looking back to what happened when the land was a NP have? Why do they think they have a role? Is there something in our constitutional arrangements that enables beady eyed pakeha to say
Have you read the aspiration and management plans?
Most of all I would like you to reflect on why you feel you have a right or that anyone has a right to blow a lot of reactionary hot air about.
Does it make a difference that Maori here have lived on this land since time immemorial? I think it does.
Pull your head in about using words like 'subsistence' in a pejorative way Not everyone is aspiring to follow the American Dream or a prosperity church where monetary riches mean everything.
More than anything 'will the sky fall in' if we let this group get on with their vision for the land?
I am not a dude and yes I did read it. At first I thought it was supportive of letting Tuhoe do as they want on land that is precious to them. However it was just wrapped up that way with the implied criticism being the stings all the way through like
subsistence life style
and this
However, it's going to become our problem when their communities health crashes and the TB infested fauna, predators and lawlessness starts to bleed out of the borders of the third work ethnostate that is being created.
What then? One thing for sure – Tuhoe are busily demolishing any support for further co-governance initiatives in the conservation estate basically forever.
The myth of naughty Tuhoe being responsible for other joint treaty based initiatives possibly failing. Is it co-governance when iwi hold the majority on the Board, when those appointed by the Minister are not DoC reps but people of vast experience in natural land use management etc?
The myth of this arrangement being co-governance,…it is governance as opposed to co-governance.
The trigger words such as 'ethno-state'
Are you saying that just because Tuhoe have got the land back that they are unable to have access to any of the Govt supports that other groups, land owners have. So TB, no access to any funding? so health no access to any funding, so lawlessness no police presence and access?
This article states "As a contrast to the successful Waikato River Authority, the Te Urewera co-governance agreement provides an indication of flaws the co-governance model can have and how it chafes against the reality that it does fail to give full effect to Treaty principles."
Where do you get the idea this is not a co-governance model?
Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. Two of these appointment that I know, I think, are not Maori but who knows anyone's whakapapa unless they care to share it. Minister of Conservation is not limited to appointing people from DoC or who are European. They are not there to push an party line or necessarily to espouse DoC's view.
Co-governance is being used as a loaded word to bash all hell out of ideas about Three Waters, Auckland Treaty settlement s etc. The concept is to bring about good governance or Mana Motuhake. The use of 'co' is best avoided unless giving a whistle out to nay sayers about Three Waters which you may be doing for all I know. .
I note your link to the Maori Law Review……I would make a small wager that if this was being written now as opposed to 2012 they would be unlikely to refer to it as 'co-governance' bearing in mind the rubbish being talked about 3 three waters etc.
You make no comment about what the actual paragraph says about Te Urewera and Tuhoe seizing only on references to bash me with your idea of the woes of co-governance.
This commentary is significant. In it Tuhoe are being consistent with their view of a step along the way……
'The issue with this fractured co-governance arrangement is a difficult one to grapple with when divorced from the historical context of the area. Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose. (my underlining) Kruger commented that “we are committed to washing away dependency on the Crown, and raising maximum autonomy for Tūhoe people".[24] Prioritising the authority of the Crown due to their greater resources undermines the purpose of restoring authority to Tūhoe. In practice, it keeps the land subject to Crown control, and does not practically aid mana whenua in engaging with the land.'
What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to.
Are you now going to get very concerned that there is not wholesale access to Ngamatea Station or Mt Linton Station. Both freehold land where the owners actively restrict access. …….I didn't think so……
Maori are not restricting access. They have a work programme of removing huts. Please do not conflate access with camping in a hut.
"Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. "
That doesn't make it not co-governance.
"Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose."
So Tuhoe themselves accepted the arrangement was co-governance.
"What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to."
Legally it is not their land. This is the point you don't seem to grasp. Te Urewera owns itself. Rightly or wrongly, that is what the treaty settlement determined.
You are fixated on co-governance. What is this all about?
Could you call it Mana Motuhake as that is what Tuhoe call it. Then we will know you are not using co-governance as some sort dog whistle to nay sayers about the concept. That is my great concern that people are holding up Tuhoe and saying we don't this so therefore as we don't like this we also don't want any other permutation. Which of course is rubbish if you don't understand the background.
Te Urewera is a 'The fee simple estate in the establishment land vests in Te Urewera and is held under, and in accordance with, this Act.
The management regime is by a board with majority Tuhoe appointments. The remining 3 are appointed by the minister of Conservation and are not DoC people.
Sections 3.4, 5 of the Act are important.
Te Urewera
Tūhoe and the Crown: shared views and intentions
(9)
Tūhoe and the Crown share the view that Te Urewera should have legal recognition in its own right, with the responsibilities for its care and conservation set out in the law of New Zealand. To this end, Tūhoe and the Crown have together taken a unique approach, as set out in this Act, to protecting Te Urewera in a way that reflects New Zealand’s culture and values.
(10)
The Crown and Tūhoe intend this Act to contribute to resolving the grief of Tūhoe and to strengthening and maintaining the connection between Tūhoe and Te Urewera.'
I think that vesting an entity away from NP, crown land etc and appointing a majority board is very close to saying it is administered/controlled by this board, …..as it should be.
The Board must consider and provide appropriately for the relationship of iwi and hapū and their culture and traditions with Te Urewera when making decisions, including—
Many areas of Maori owned land/Incorporations have management committees but no-one says that the owners sitting behind those chosen to be on a committee have lost all connection with the land
The board has members appointed by the trustees of Tūhoe Te Uru Taumatua
'Te Uru Taumatua represents the Tūhoe nation and the lands and wealth held in common for Tūhoe. The purpose of the Governing Board of Te Uru Taumatua is to lead and serve the cultural permanency and prosperity of Tūhoetana by unlocking the unity potential of Mana Motuhake. Advancing Tūhoe social and economic development in a way that is distinctively Tūhoe recognises that we will build the Tūhoe nation with our minds, our hearts and our hands.
Your Board is committed to getting the best and right skills, advice and expertise from within Tūhoe and outside. Tūhoe settlement assets and resources must be preserved and grown to support our development now and into the future. Tūhoe culture and heritage pathways must be directed and grown with this development.
This Board works for Tūhoe and on behalf of Tūhoe'.
You are splitting hairs when you say that the people of Tuhoe have no interest in the land…that they cannot call it 'their' land. Maori hold land interest very differently to the way land is held in the European system, Joint ownership is all, individualism is not.
Over the course of this discussion I have linked to the legislation the settlement, the management documents of Tuhoe. You have let all these drift over you preferring 'gotchas' from ignorant MSM or dated commentaries.
Why is this?
I am coming to the view that your interest is not in acquiring knowledge and therefore learning things about how different people in NZ structure their affairs.
It is an exercise in nit picking, splitting hairs, and mainly avoiding a 'fair, large and liberal' look at ways that land can be held and managed. It is also not about expecting the best of people, or of giving people a chance and neither is it respectful of the different ways that people can manage land.
It is not benign, it is not genuine.
Hopefully that you are not applying this once over lightly approach to the Maunga in Tamaki Makaurau.
If co-governance is to deliver on its very real potential, (and it can), there needs to be a recognition that the co-governance entity, and partners, are in place to deliver outcomes that are best for these special environments, and the people of New Zealand who are willing to respect and enjoy them.
I take that as meaning that many of the people who want Te Urewera returned to a more pristine condition, have secure lives and incomes elsewhere. And that this security is necessarily derived from places that are not, and cannot be, pristine.
So we cannot demand that someone else's land remains in its original condition without ensuring that their economic circumstances don't make it impossible, i.e. humans always and everywhere will do what is expedient to make their lives more comfortable.
I may have totally misinterpreted your meaning though.
to expect pristine when Te Urewera has always had a Maori presence……they have lived here forever.
to expect everything will remain unchanged just because we feel threatened by anything else.
not to give people a fair go on their land especially when they are working to maintain to a standard those areas they can in the span of their workcrews (they are not DoC) Why would a competent manager think it was sensible to maintain huts that are past their use by dates, are outside a span of competent land management?
not to recognise the aspirations of for Te Urewera involving creating biosphere reserve.
It was also mine until I read and digested the last paras, and noted the trigger words in the post. Neither were in quotes to signify that this was a view not supported but quoted from somewhere. I think Sanctuary believes that these words apply.
Unsurprisingly, you continue your preference for missing the points and choosing to misunderstand that your comment was the issue that I responded to; it was neither helpful nor constructive. In addition, you didn’t help your case with the inane response @ 2.2.1.2.1.1. I’d told you already that I read all comments but glossing over that is part of your MO here and you’re too fixated on your own navel.
So Tinderdry you know all about the background to this?
Where have you got your info from to speak on this?
Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach.
This homogenous group all thinking the same owes much to the concept of the 'noble savage'.
On every local authority in the land there are groups of councillors who do not think the same as each other or as some of their constituents. In those cases most of us think that having differing ideas is a good thing enabling all issues to come out and be discussed.
Why does this somehow morph into being a bad thing in Maori controlled organisation? You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular.
Why is that?
Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe.
'Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.'
Says it all really with a bit of humour lacking in MSM
"Where have you got your info from to speak on this?"
From, amongst other sources, the links I have provided.
"Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach."
No, I do not subscribe to the view that ‘all Maori are a homogenous race…’. Tamati Kruger has claimed to speak for all Tuhoe, as in this article, and it is clear that he doesn't.
"You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular."
Differing viewpoints is healthy.
"Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe."
It is also relevant to consider how TUT got to this place. This article provides some background, including disputes between TUT and DoC over maintenance of the huts and bridges inside the park.
In the context of your comment about " false equivalence that 'access equals huts' ", of course access doesn’t equal huts, but you might want to reflect on Tamati Kruger's comment that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."
‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’
Your quote
This seems like a good idea. DoC seem to be doing a fair bit of micromanaging.
In the context of your comment about " false equivalence that 'access equals huts' ", of course access doesn’t equal huts, but you might want to reflect on Tamati Kruger's comment that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."
I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. It is the role of the landowner to set priorities. Their priority is not about opening up. Fair enough. Another priority if you look at the work plans is to manage what they can and not to spread themselves too thinly.
I as a land owner also have my priorities on my land. Public access is also not a priority but I am working with arborists on trees at the front and this will have a benefit for the public as leaves or little branches may be less likely to fall on the pavement or in the stormwater drains.
I cannot locate it now but in some thing that you have linked to is a criticism that Tuhoe closed access during Covid. Really what silly ideas people have, during Covid we were restricted from travelling, warned about going to places where we might need to be rescued, keep close, don’t mix willy nilly. So Tuhoe follows this and is criticised for it.
You can see Tuhoe cannot win with statements like this being trotted out as if they were justified.
"‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’"
"I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. "
The problem is that Kruger's comments cut across the treaty settlement. He's trying to renegotiate the settlement by media, and that is precisely what will get people antsy about co-governance.
Tamati Kruger is trying to explain things in words of one syllable, comic form might have been easier, to people who are desperately trying not to understand.
Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc. If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments. Just because a settlement & legislation has been enacted it does not stop dialogue between Tuhoe and Ministers or other Treaty partners.
Kruger is attempting to remove DoC from the conversation, and replace them with the Crown-Māori Relations Minister. It is irrelevant whether you think this is a good idea, it is an attempt to amend the treaty settlement.
Kruger states that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi." Again, that is an attempt to change the treaty settlement. Kruger doesn't make that call. Public access is a right enshrined in the settlement. It is not exercised or prioritised at his whim.
“Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc.”
Are they? Can you provide some examples? The ones I’m aware of are financial adjustments that are built into the original arrangements.
“If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments.”
To raise them, yes. Not to unilaterally declare them
So the hut protestors are not trying to negotiate by media…..only Kruger. That figures. Goose/gander comes to mind.
What does this mean?
To raise them, yes. Not to unilaterally declare them
What is 'unilaterally declare' them? What is the difference between raise them and declaring them? Tuhoe can only raise them, if it wants to raise them strongly is that some sort of a problem?
In the declaration that public access is "“way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."". Kruger has done amazing work for Tuhoe, but it is clear he is out of step with a significant number of his iwi, and it is not his call to place the benefit of the iwi over a key element of the treaty settlement.
"What is the difference between raise them and declaring them?"
The difference in this context is seen in this article. DoC have been trying to deal with the safety issues in the park for years, but Kruger's comments mirror the resistance of TUT to allow the work to be completed. This is not in the spirit or the letter of the treaty settlement, and seems designed to exclude the public, at least for a time.
This is a gross over reaction and classic Maori-blaming but whatever floats your boat.
Let's hope this comment earns you a tweet from Moana Maniapoto saying "We see you, Shanreagh, and you're very, very special… a great Totara … a Woman of Great Mana … a unique Go-Between uniting the two noble races". And you'll go all giggly, won't you … like a small child who's just met an All Black.
A great example of an affluent Professional-Managerial Class narcissist – a Luvvie, if you will – paternalistically "protecting" powerful Māori as if they're small children – eternally innocent, eternally virtuous – … no matter the context.
I have no doubt you'd have automatically defended the slave labour thriving under iwi-owned enterprises within the fishing industry. Ostentatious displays of virtue-signaling for in-group reputational enhancement. The pure narcissism, pure self-indulgence of the bourgeois middle to upper-middle class. Entirely at the expense of the good of the Country.
#LuxuryBeliefs
[This is nothing but a personal attack on another commenter. Please cut it out – Incognito]
What tiresome ad hominem rubbish you speak rather than debating the issues.
Have you got any views on the concepts I have been raising like Maor world view, beliefs, legislation, treaty settlements or are you happy with your contribution of
Luvvie?
narcissist, self indulgence
luxury beliefs
What is missing though is your belief that 'I am a pretty little communist' and I really miss that kind of in depth response
Way out with the All Blacks though. Since 1981 they have left me cold. I have not seen a game on TV or in person since being a bystander at the Molesworth st happening and then being barricaded in my house by a Police presence at the top of my street, so buses full of weeing fans could unload, while defending the mighty boks and All Blacks at Athletic park.
Why do you think I would protect the items you have quoted in your last para. I have been talking only about Tuhoe not fishing? I really don't see the connection unless you are talking about the bed of the lake which was not part of the settlement and noting that Fish & Game Council still has jurisdiction.
Your ad hominem and misogynistic comments say more about you than me. That you are afraid to debate the issues so you are only able to take personal pot shots. Most of your suppositions about me are incorrect.
My simple point is this:
On a weighing of righting wrongs or keeping tattered, battered, rat ridden huts I automatically choose the righting of wrongs. In fact I would place the righting of wrongs above almost anything especially when it is the righting of wrongs where the state/crown had inflicted the wrong.
Swordfish presumably your priority is to keep the huts over the bigger picture of righting a wrong. This surprises me.
I do recall some pretty horrendous stories about your parents that may have knocked your view of people and you have automatically applied what you have endured there on a race based view to situations that are not the same.
If that is offensive to you then what can I say?
I'm still laughing at the All Blacks reference…how wrong can you be? I believed then, as I do now, that there is no sporting issue that should guide our diplomatic stance. I can see parallels that those who supported the Springboks could also be the ones to support the huts over the righting of wrongs to Tuhoe.
I like Moana but my favourite NZ poets would be Hone Tuwhare and Api Taylor. I have never heard the term Luvvie and am not paternalistic…a contradiction in terms for me really
I have lots of favorites of Hone's and love Api's He Rau Aroha: A Hundred Years of Love (Penguin), was a runner-up in the Pegasus Book Awards. This is a collection of short stories.
Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum.
There are pest management plans covering possum and other introduced pests if you cared to look on the sites run by Tuhoe.
As for pelts being taken instead of just left, this is such an old activity that really compounds the anti posters lack of knowledge about what has been going on here.
An uncle had traplines up here for years prior to and after the area was made into a NP. All legal and above board. there was always a market for good pelts and that was why in the old days when tramping and coming across a trapper hut or bivvy and the inevitable warm welcome you made sure about where you might sleep, that there might be a skin or two stretching out on the wirewove.
Even as late as the 1980s in hut on the big stations up close to the boundaries there were shepherds huts where the occupants were doing the same thing.
The skins had a market here in NZ but my Uncle, in an effort to maximise his returns, and because he did this as a living, used to send his pelts to the London fur & skin markets. These old time trappers did this not because they loved possums, far from it but because they loved the land, the bush and the isolation and could get a living from it. They saw themselves as being able to help in a small way with the recovery of the bush.
"Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum. "
Perhaps you could provide a link to support your assertion.
Because there is lots (and lots) of evidence the other way. Possums are a very significant ecological pest – which are largely uncontrolled by any predator (hence the need for trapping and/or poisoning).
You think I am being literal about lots of trampers causing damage as against the damage caused by a possum? Sad. But if this was what I was talking about I am sure there would be evidence about human overuse/degradation of landscape that then leaves the land prone to further degradation by introduced pests. Eg over use of high country land by stock, degrades tussock cover, rabbits get in etc
No I am talking about the damage to reputation, to mana, to a correct and preceptive view of history and an openness to facing the future that is caused by closed minds. The 'heavy footed' people are those of us who want to criticise without knowledge, to indulge in criticism of Maori life styles without knowing what and whether they fit in with a Maori world view, as opposed to a Pakeha world view.
For other 'heavy footedness' just read some of the earlier comments, made over this issue over the weekend.
For a view that draws on the plans for the future pl read the websites for Tuhoe and this about the issue being discussed.
Gosh – I'm glad you're not in charge of conservation….
Being put in charge of NZ conservation/environment is a hospital pass.
Only Parker is still in parliament. Former Minister for the Environment Goff went on to become Mayor of Auckland. Apart from MPs in the 6th Labour Government, no former Minister of Conservation is still in Parliament, although Wollaston and Chadwick went on to do stints are regional city mayors (Nelson and Rotorua, respectively), and that well-know environmentalist Dr Nick Smith is now Mayor of Nelson.
Mike Joy wins battle over ‘dodgy’ water stats
[updated 5 Jan 2022]
“Funny how it is always a mistake in one direction that is downplaying the problem, never a mistake where it was claimed to be worse than what it is.” – Mike Joy
…
You can almost hear Joy shaking his head over the phone about the state of groundwater in the province: “The whole thing, it’s just a train-wreck – intensive farming in Canterbury is a train wreck.”
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Former Environment Minister Nick Smith had promised in 2011 the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment would undertake five-yearly reporting, something scuppered by his replacement, Cantabrian Amy Adams.
Govt aims to get 90pct of rivers swimmable by 2040
[updated 23 Feb 2017]
Greens co-leader James Shaw told Newshub Nick Smith is "having a laugh" and he is "flabbergasted at the announcement".
…
"He must think we're stupid."
There's also Joe Walding (High Commissioner to the UK), Russell Marshall (High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and Ambassador to Ireland) and, more recently, Trevor Mallard (Ambassador to Ireland), who was Minister for the Environment towards the end of the 5th Labour Government.
Hopefully some of them had more than just an eye to their career pathways while they were doing their Ministerial duties, although you do have to wonder sometimes.
I'm certainly one who believes that all politicians should be mandatorialy (goodness, is that even a word) retired after a certain number of terms in office (combining local, national and official postings).
I don't think that political re-treads (from any party) do a good job representing our country overseas. Certainly not a better one than the people actually trained and educated to be ambassadors.
Well if you think that all the misinformation about Tuhoe that has been spouted today and over the weekend is theoretical ……
8000 people mislead by MSM 'shock horror' have signed some sort of petition in the belief that Tuhoe are doing something or not doing something on their land. So that is 8000 X 9 (the comms calc about complaints and how they spread to others) I would say that is far from theoretical.
I have not made a false equivalence. One possum destroys, we know that. Tuhoe knows that and has trapping etc programmes.
Just who will be working to ensure that the damage to the reputation of Tuhoe is mended after this onslaught. Will you be? Or do you still think the crown owned/ns the land, it is like a NP and Tuhoe have only a minor role.
You have shown that you are not able to understand my point and that is a pity. I agree that species are endangered, I said so in reply. I also feel that reputational damage is hard to overcome even if you are actually in the right, as Tuhoe is.
And, equally clearly, you have shown that you are …. unwilling … to consider the points that I and others have raised.
8,000 local people protesting – Tuhoe kaumatua among them – but hey, it's all bullshit from MSM (/sarc/). Your blinkers have narrowed your vision to the point that you're unable to see the cliff you're rushing towards.
Happy to consider them if you can get basic facts correct.
Sadly lacking so far and when I tried to broaden the idea that misinformed people can damage reputations you did not get the analogy and we had some fruitless debate. You still don't understand reputational damage do you?
You are now saying that 8000 misinformed people are worth more than the reputation of a group doing its best following the settling of a bad Treaty claim.
I have linked to this before. The ref to ‘Waimana’ are to those grumpy with the Tuhoe Board.
Te Kura Whare received disgruntled individuals and New Zealanders on the outer using a protest as a platform to air personal grievances. Placards displayed reveal the many layers of individual issues, that got 20 minutes of media fame.
Mentioned were DOC, Labour, TUT, Huts, even Trump, e ahu pēhea ana koutou? What is your plan?
Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.
Protestors willing to listen, let their guard down saw moments of agreement and understanding. Their anxiety eased, assured of access and Tūhoe structures will go up. A lot of the protesters left a bit embarrassed after Tribals shared wider context. It wasn’t just about huts – as they held firmly to their sign, as the discussions continued, that grip ‘save the huts’ placard loosened considerably.
You are quoting from what looks like an email from the Tuhoe iwi entity. This entity has been at odds before with its Kaumatua council, and the email you quote from reads more like a propaganda piece.
I've already linked to this article that details DoC attempts to progress remediation work on the huts, and Tuhoe leadership being a handbrake on that work.
"He (Kruger) also claimed there had been a decade of under-investment by DOC prior to the settlement – “we haven't really inherited assets, we’ve inherited liabilities” – and the $2m DOC provided each year for Te Urewera’s upkeep was “overly miserly”. But the documents show that money was not the impediment to repairing the dilapidated structures – DOC was offering to pay for everything. Rather, the problem was getting Tūhoe to approve a maintenance plan."
Also:
"In another report, English explained that DOC had provided a maintenance funding agreement to the TUT chief executive (Luke), “with the expectation that she would review it, and we would then proceed to signature. There has been no response. DOC has subsequently sent a reminder about progressing the agreement, but had no response. “Our understanding is that TUB believe that discussion about annual funding is one that should take place with the Minister [of Conservation]. There is no legislative authority for such decision making by [the Minister].”
I don’t know who’s calling the shots here, but this entire arrangement seems to be headed off the rails.
Always good to have a link to the real oil. But don't let any source of reality or another point of view put you off your quoting storm from an unknown MSM source.
Hundreds of tractors were driven into cities across New Zealand. One of those Invercargill protesters, dairy farmer Daryl Swney, said the Government’s new farm emissions' proposal would cost him $150,000 a year. He did not know how farmers would survive the cost, alongside other regulations.
These same farmers will be asking for taxpayer assistance if flooding that is amplified by climate change devastates their properties. The obvious problem is that reducing emissions won't reduce the effects of climate change in the short-medium term, because so much change is already baked in by past emissions.
And that is essentially a fiscal problem: farmers will be paying to reduce emissions (or passing those costs to the public), while simultaneously taxpayers will be paying to mitigate or repair the effects of climate change. The ledger does not balance out here – there is only cost. Public finances will be overwhelmed and living standards will fall at the same time. Hard to avoid the conclusion that we are now on the leading edge of utter chaos.
An article on Stuff this morning listing 11 things that National will repeal/reverse/scrap if they win the election next year. But naturally nothing about what they will do instead to fix the institutional problems of our country.
But we can guess. It will probably start with tax cuts for the rich, new multi-billion roads and fly-overs for Ford Ranger owning rural townies, building new prisons and cuts to public services.
The difference between National and Labour is that Labour valiantly keeps trying to make a rotten system better, but can't do it because it is too far gone, our public service is too small and too protective of its own privilege to do it anyway, and Labour lacks the balls, the money and the people to clean it out completely and start again from scratch. On the other hand National just gives up trying straight away and tries to fool us into thinking that doing nothing is actually doing something.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
Over the life of this country (at least since 1840), all the positive legislation that makes life better for ordinary kiwis has come from the left of the political spectrum.
Natz have largely just maintained the status quo.
But that approach will simply not work in the face of the existential crisis of climate change. Frankly, the market has no f*cking idea how to get us out of the environmental mess they have created.
We need interventionist governments prepared to do things: like three waters, fair pay agreements, rebuilding the health system, housing etc.
The rich don't use public hospitals or state school; all they need is roads to get to airports for their overseas holidays. Hence the Natz focus on roads.
This country can't afford another Natz/Act government.
Mike, what operating system are you using? What browser? Are they both up to date? Can you please post the exact text of the message, and if it’s from the browser or the os?
Any legislation to make day to day life a bit better for the "average" person does not and will not come from a National government. Paid parental leave they voted against and Labour has since its introduction steadily increased the payments. Sick leave, annual leave, KiwiSaver …… As long as the better off get a generous tax cut is first and foremost on their policy wish list.
My first reaction:
Blame the Hoskings and HdPAs.
Blame the tabloid media in general.
Blame the Nats and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Blame ACT and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Could be coincidental but did the culprit wait until Ardern was in Antarctica?
Edit: the article has now been edited. The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside. Fire trucks arrived to put out a fire. There was no staff there at the time.
The last "domestic terrorist" that smashed in the frontage of the Prime Minister's office in Mt Albert electorate did not do it when the PM was there either Helen Clark's office in Sandringham Rd had an axe put through the window one morning. It was very upsetting for the staff – I was upstairs doing some Labour Party work that morning so all we heard was the crash, but the office was closed for the day while the Police did the forensic stuff.
Yes, Visubversa, no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert.
Victims of the venomous Right. There have been quite a few of us over the years who were thus targeted. I was a nobody when it happened to me 30 years ago, so the police weren’t interested.
You know I did not say they only happen to Labour MP's and women PMs.
You know I was replying in the context of visibversa's comment @ 7.1
So why try to start a flame war?
I was similarly targeted by a woman who was planted in the Mt.Albert Labour Party 35 plus years ago. I know who put her there and why… but am not revealing the context or the identities here so don't bother to ask.
You said: "no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
When, actually, yes it is a coincidence.
I've provided one example of an attack on the office of a male PM – there are plenty of others.
Attacks on the electorate offices (and even MPs themselves – cf James Shaw) – are an occupational hazard in NZ (and in other countries as well).
I don't support it – or minimize it – but I acknowledge that it happens to many – right or left. Perhaps you could do the same.
Calling you on misinformation is not starting a flame war.
Oh yes it is starting a flame war when you know I was referring to a specific situation as was indeed Visubversa before me. Maybe I didn't choose my words ponderously enough for Madam but most people here don't mess around with silly semantics just to prove to the world they are always right and the target of the hour is wrong.
And to suggest I'm spouting misinformation on the subject only serves to further the suspicion by quite a few on this site that you are a person who thinks she has to be top dog in all things. 🙄
I'm not suggesting. You were spouting misinformation – as you have done in the past – and no doubt will do in the future.
Have you acknowledged, yet – I don't seem to see it in the responses – that actually attacks on electorate offices and individual politicans happen to members of all political parties – and males are affected as well as females.
Misinformation is not my game and never has been. You do yourself a disservice with your silly 'misinterpretations'.
I find your understanding on some technical matters pertaining to topics discussed here both useful and interesting. Then you go and spoil it.
"I've yet to acknowledge that attacks on electorate offices happen to all political parties?" (paraphrase)
We were talking about one specific office that was attacked yesterday. To suggest that I or anyone else is denying they happen to other political parties because we didn't mention them in dispatches is bordering on the idiotic.
I've been around the political traps on and off for 50 years and believe me I know a thing or two – as do others on this site. You might do well to ponder the fact our experiences are worthy of respect… even if you do imagine you know better.
I can't think of another MP who has physically attacked – rather than jostled in a crowd, etc. Although there have been some things thrown at right-wing pollies – which is pretty borderline, in my estimation.
If you want to argue that MPs are increasingly at risk from both physical and virtual attacks, I'll certainly agree with you. And there is research to back it up.
You’ve offered no good reason for me to revise my reply to your comment @7.2.1, simply because you've subsequently introduced physical assaults into the mix. If for some reason you bring yourself to acknowledge the objective truth of the misogynistic component in the venom directed at our PM then that’s disappointing, but tbh I’m not surprised.
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
Jacinda has a level of vitriol addressed to and about her. As did Key.
Popular politicians also have the converse of that popularity – it's only the mediocre ones who seem to attract little hatred (people go 'meh' rather than froth at the mouth.)
If it is misogynistic in relation to Ardern is is equally misandric (if that is the word) in relation to Key?
I will absolutely agree that online abuse of female politicians outweighs that directed at their male counterparts.
I don't see any evidence, however that physical assaults (on person or property) are greater for women than for men. In fact, the evidence I've linked to seems to show the reverse.
If you have evidence to show that I'm wrong, then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion.
And the initial comment was about the attack on Ardern's electorate office (not about any threats made to her). You are the one who initially widened the scope of the thread.
"Attacks on the electorate offices (and even MPs themselves – cf James Shaw) – are an occupational hazard in NZ (and in other countries as well).
I don't support it – or minimize it – but I acknowledge that it happens to many."
If that's not sufficient for you, then I unreservedly condemn the attack on the PM's electorate office. While acknowledging that it will almost certainly have been carried out by someone mentally unbalanced.
I read Anne's initial comments @7 and @7.2 about the recent attack on the PM's office, and the earlier attack on PM Clark's office that Visubversa wrote about @7.1.
In your first 'contribution', your reply (to Anne) @7.2.1, you wrote:
You then had the gall (@7.2.1.1.1 and @7:56 pm) to write that you were "calling" Anne "on [spouting] misinformation", when it was you, and only you, who had deliberately misrepresented what Anne had written. That's self-serving bad faith behaviour – plain as day.
You bad faith commenting continued when you offered this:
But to claim that only women are affected is simply not true.
– Belladonna @7.2.1.2.1
Once again, you, and only you, had made such a claim in this thread – it would be absurd to suggest otherwise. Readers can make up their own minds about why you would write such an absurdity – I know I have.
I stand by my reply to your comment @7.2.1 – that you subsequently introduced the spurious matter of the physical assault on Shaw into the mix is further evidence that you are not commenting in good faith – rather you are minimising and diverting.
It is open misogyny, visible on every platform and supported and promoted by upvotes on Reddit, laughing emojis on Facebook, comments about “that woman” on LinkedIn, and someone who looks like your Aunty referring to the PM as “Cindy” and calling her a “c…”.
It is targeted and increasingly violent misogynistic abuse and threats – illustrated by but not limited to the escalation in gendered hatred directed towards Ardern – being directed at public-facing women from central and local body politicians to journalists, public servants, academics and chief executives.
Imho our PM has shown considerable fortitude in the face of a veritable torrent of abuse and threats, including death threats – it can't be easy.
To our PM – hang in there – Kia kaha, and be kind
Belledonna's presence on this site appears – in part – to try and undermine this government. Its an age old trick to do it by way of attempting to score points off and ridiculing individuals who stand behind or support them.
It is the same ploy used by the right-wing dirty political brigade when they attempted to destroy Clarke Gayford's reputation by way of spreading false stories about him. Take for example the "nanny": meme. It's Jacinda Ardern they are aiming to hurt by despoiling the reputations of those around her. They did the same to Helen Clark.
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. Or, alternatively, your framing. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
"Staff evacuated after sword attack" in the headline and yet when you read the article "No injuries have been reported and the building was unoccupied at the time," police said.
So how do you evacuate an empty building.
Not good but the standard of reporting is terrible..
I think you will finds the police told them they couldn't occupy the office until they had finished their forensic examination. That could take several hours.
At the time the article was put together, the reporter wouldn't know the exact turn of events so just labelled it an evacuation.
Whatever, the psychological effect on the staff will be enormous because of a large sword left behind on the ground. I'm picking that was a deliberate act to threaten the staff and the PM.'
A typical example of the level of vitriol thrown at the Prime Minister. She is being criticised for taking her partner with her to Antarctica. A swag of former prime ministers have visited Anrtactica over the years and it looks like they all took their spouses/partners with them. Jesus.
" The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside". Why do we men always get the blame for this sort of madness?
Good to see that 2.75m given to the mob being put to good use by the Mongrel Mob. Did anyone actually believe the PR lady that they were no longer in to drugs? (she is awfully quiet now).
But at least all the gang members now vote Labour.
No I obviously don't personally have any evidence, but the police do as Mark Griffiths will be off to jail now. Actually if he gets the good judge probably home D.
I'm told the drugs were imported via printer cartridges. Well be needing to implement sanctions against the US administration and their cartel of printer suppliers now.
New Zealand's male violence towards women is further demonstrated by the deranged, cowardly attack on the PM's electorate office. There are too many men who cannot seem to accept and adapt to women's involvement in politics, government, local government, business, senior roles in any field. As soon as they rise to the top these pathetic men want to drag them down in one way or another. Anger, jealousy, "pretty communist" "Cindy", "girl in a skirt" that sort of nonsense never gets hurled at Chris Luxon. Time some people grew up.
Define woman. So unless there is a picture or a comment to precise that it was an adult human female – who may or may not identify as a 'woman' you actually have no idea who really committed the crime, i mean anyone who feels like a women can self identify as a woman, one can even change daily their gender expression and no alterations to bodies or faces need to be made in order to self identify as a woman. And i would like to point out that the person was not described as a 'cis' woman either. So really might just not 'sex' the criminal until more information is available.
In saying that, knife attacks, attacks on people with screwdrivers, ramraids, bashings etc is all up and i would assume this is do to mental health issues in many cases. And sometimes these mental health issues need more then just access to a 0800 number.
So give the criminal a few month of Home D, say 9 month? That seems to be a good punishment for crimes against 'human females" of all ages and their offices.
However, it was widely reported to be a man immediately after the attack.
Most of those reports have since been updated and corrected, and unfortunately most NZ media do not bother to follow best practice overseas of notifying readers of corrections. The requirement for links on The Standard is entirely reasonable, but the linked content often changes, and only screenshots (or our own memories) can confirm original reporting.
There were plenty of women involved in despoiling the centre of Wellington in February.
The difference is that deranged men have an additional bone of contention – Jacinda being a woman means that she is "not one of us" and thus more contemptible.
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New Zealand has joined a boycott of an upcoming counter-terrorism meeting being co-chaired by the Russian and Myanmar militaries, in a move welcomed by activists.
Perhaps you could have a word with the junta's suppliers, China, Russia, Belarus, Iran and Serbia.
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A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
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TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent talking about the National-ACT-NZ First Government’s release of its first Emissions Reduction Plan;University of Otago Foreign Relations Professor and special guest Dr Karin von ...
Open access notablesImproving global temperature datasets to better account for non-uniform warming, Calvert, Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society:To better account for spatial non-uniform trends in warming, a new GITD [global instrumental temperature dataset] was created that used maximum likelihood estimation (MLE) to combine the land surface ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi Māori rallied against the Crown’s attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hīkoi of a generation and the birth of Te Pāti Māori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinian’s have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinian’s who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Government’s disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whānau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they can’t escape on ...
Te Pāti Māori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. “This announcement is just another example of the government’s anti-Tiriti, anti-Māori agenda.” Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. “Seymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
National’s Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now it’s been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didn’t declare and said wasn’t pre-arranged. ...
Te Pāti Māori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. “Reinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of Māori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. “This legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whānau out onto the street for no reason” said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “Their solution to the housing ...
“National’s campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,” Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
“There are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
“This government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this government’s agenda and the future of our mokopuna,” said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
“Today’s climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,” Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how they’re taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
Tēnā tātou katoa, Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kōrero, he kōrero, he kōrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of Ngāti Maniapoto, Minister for Māori Development Tama Potaka says. “My thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust – Ngāti Maniapoto for bringing their important kōrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.“I have received Ms Fredric’s resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,” Mr Brown says.“On behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are ‘dangerous changes’ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. “Issues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. “The level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations I’ve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawke’s Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. It’s the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care “Whanaketia – through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,” was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry “Whanaketia – through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “Tax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. “It includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Competitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. “Under current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and Whangārei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “For too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “It is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,” Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. “I am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. “ASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,” Mr Peters says. “This will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. “This $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,” Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealand’s commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says proposed changes to the Education and Training Amendment Bill will ensure charter schools have more flexibility to negotiate employment agreements and are equipped with the right teaching resources. “Cabinet has agreed to progress an amendment which means unions will not be able to initiate ...
In response to serious concerns around oversight, overspend and a significant deterioration in financial outlook, the Board of Health New Zealand will be replaced with a Commissioner, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today. “The previous government’s botched health reforms have created significant financial challenges at Health NZ that, without ...
Minister for Space and Science, Innovation and Technology Judith Collins will travel to Adelaide tomorrow for space and science engagements, including speaking at the Australian Space Forum. While there she will also have meetings and visits with a focus on space, biotechnology and innovation. “New Zealand has a thriving space ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts will travel to China on Saturday to attend the Ministerial on Climate Action meeting held in Wuhan. “Attending the Ministerial on Climate Action is an opportunity to advocate for New Zealand climate priorities and engage with our key partners on climate action,” Mr Watts says. ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the region’s fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministers’ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Government’s plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. “On the ...
The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“Increasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says. “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests. Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone. Distinguished guests, it’s a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealand’s foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
Opinion: The Canadian short story writer Alice Munro – winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2013 – died in May at the age of 92. Her work was about “the damage people inflict on one another in the name of love”, Deborah Treisman wrote in the New Yorker. ...
This month marks two years since the most powerful telescope ever built sent its first pictures back to earth. From its lofty vantage point, beyond the moon in orbit around the sun, the James Webb Space Telescope was tuned to observe the first stars and galaxies being born soon after ...
Comment: After Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ preview several weeks ago, I had some optimism about the Government’s emissions reduction plan. Now I’ve read the discussion document, that hope has been dashed. How can the Government propose a plan that wants to take New Zealand taxpayers’ hard-earned money, and spend ...
Christopher Luxon: hurdles The little man from National jumps hurdles in his sleep. He’s quite good at it in his dreams and even though the reality doesn’t quite match up you have to give him credit for getting up every morning and crashing into the very first hurdle of the ...
Comment: It was a good two hours into the conversation when Tyrone Marks raised the most basic of questions when I first spoke to him in 2017. “They didn’t explain the things they did to me. They never told me why. And they still haven’t. There’s no explanation for it. ...
Last summer when Matairangi burned, Ginny and Tom stood at the window of their lounge, watching kākā shoot skyward from the burning trees. From the distance, they looked to Ginny like pages torn from books and thrown into a bonfire. It was Tom, voice tight, who told her it was ...
Madeleine Chapman rounds out Death Week on The Spinoff with a final recommendation. You can read all of our Death Week coverage here. Nothing forces you to reflect on your life and relationships quite like proximity to death. For those whose nearest and dearest have died, there are reasonably obvious ...
Whitney Greene takes us through her life in television, including the TV character she’d like to plan a funeral for and her cow lung catastrophe on The Traitors NZ. “If the phone rings, I have to answer it,” Whitney Greene from The Traitors NZ warns as we begin our My ...
Maddie Ballard reviews the debut essay collection of Pōneke writer Flora Feltham.In ‘The Raw Material’, the longest essay in Flora Feltham’s dazzling debut collection, the author heads out for a run after hours of weaving and sees the world turn to textile. “Pounding along the Parade, I saw the ...
Andy Christiansen, one half of the experimental rock-pop duo TRiPS, shares the tunes inspiring the band’s perfect weekend and new release. “Good speakers, good food, good music, no distractions”: that’s all you need to enjoy the psychedelic stylings of TRiPS, a new band formed by Fly My Pretties’ Barnaby Weir ...
Celebrating our quadrennial opportunity to become experts in a bunch of sports we never normally watch.The games of the XXXIII Olympiad are upon us. Paris will host this year’s showcase of sporting and athletic prowess, which means some late-night and early-morning viewing for us in Aotearoa.But what sports ...
The photograph is striking and beautiful, but also disturbing – a reminder that my love for John was often entangled in shame.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.In the spring of 1980, in Dunedin, shortly before his death, someone took a photograph ...
Get to know Babushka, our latest Dog of the Month. This feature was offered as a reward during our What’s Eating Aotearoa PledgeMe campaign. Thank you to Babu’s humans, Jo and Isabel, for their support. Dog name: Babushka (Babu for short) Age: 2Breed: Border Collie X poodleIf rescued, ...
Pacific Media Watch A Lebanese photojournalist who was severely wounded during an Israeli air strike in south Lebanon carried the Olympic torch in Paris this week in honour of her peers who have been wounded and killed in the field — especially in Gaza and Lebanon. Christina Assi of Agence ...
The first report in a five-part web series focused on the 15th Triennial Conference of Pacific Women taking place in the Marshall Islands this week.SPECIAL REPORT:By Netani Rika in Majuro Women continue to fight for justice 70 years after the first nuclear tests by the United States caused ...
Christopher Luxon has joined with Australia and Canada's leaders in voicing support for US President Joe Biden's ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The 2022 election brought the “teal wave” into parliament. The next election will test whether teals, who occupy what were Liberal seats, and other independents can maintain their momentum. Joining us on the Podcast ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Musgrave, Senior lecturer in Pharmacology, University of Adelaide Pixavri/Shutterstock A major Federal Court class action has been dismissed this week after Justice Michael Lee ruled there was not enough evidence to prove the weedkiller Roundup causes cancer. Plaintiff Kelvin ...
In The Week in Politics: politicians have to decide what to do about child abuse, Health NZ is booked in for major surgery and Darleen Tana returns. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Corbould, Associate Professor, Contemporary Histories Research Group, Deakin University Mainstream media are surprisingly muted at the prospect of the world’s most powerful nation being led for the first time by a woman – specifically a woman of colour, Vice President Kamala ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rebecca Bennett, PhD Student, Associate Research Fellow, Deakin University Last week, a drone delivery company called Wing (owned by Google’s parent company, Alphabet) started operating in Melbourne. Some 250,000 residents in parts of the city’s eastern suburbs can now order food from ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jonathan Foo, Lecturer, Physiotherapy, Monash University pikselstock/Shutterstock In the next 40 years in Australia, it’s predicted the number of Australians aged 65 and over will more than double, while the number of people aged 85 and over will more than triple. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Katrina Grant, Research Associate, Power Institute for Arts and Visual Culture, University of Sydney Jonas Åkerström’s 1790 work, Session of the Accademia dell’Arcadia on August 17 1788.Nationalmuseum/Cecilia Heisser Ever wondered whether you’d have a better chance at winning an Olympic gold ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alexandra Jones, Program Lead, Food Governance, George Institute for Global Health wavebreakmedia/Shutterstock On Thursday, Australian and New Zealand food ministers at state, federal and national levels met to thrash out what’s next for health star ratings on packaged foods. Now, after ...
The Abuse in Care report found many Pacific survivors lost their connections to their culture and language, resulting in trauma that has been carried from generation to generation. ...
In the regulatory review, ECC intends to suggest that ERO focus on curriculum delivery reviews rather than the Ministry, because it’s not efficient or effective to have two agencies with radically different approaches climbing over each other. ...
Te Rūnanga Nui o Ngā Kura Kaupapa Māori invites the current government to work in partnership with them to develop a pathway forward, including the development of a parallel pathway and meaningful policy and strategy for Kura Kaupapa Māori ...
If you haven’t started watching yet, Tara Ward begs you to reconsider. This is an excerpt from our weekly pop culture newsletter Rec Room. Sign up here. In the world of New Zealand reality television, we have many gems in our crown. There’s the delicious second season of the Celebrity Treasure ...
A new poem by Fiona Kidman. The clothes of the dead I did not keep my mother’s furry red beret for long nor the stringy scarves that adorned the necks of my aunts, although I have kept tag ends of gold, the rings and trinkets they wore, the brooches no ...
The government’s announcement that it will re-open the foreshore and seabed controversy by changing the rules on recognising centuries-old Māori customary title for a third time goes against the rule of law and New Zealand values,” Mr Tipa says. ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Lioness by Emily Perkins (Bloomsbury, $25) Roarrrr! Perkins’ brilliant, award-winning, Marian-Keyes anointed, darkly funny, long ...
The 2004 Act vested ownership of the foreshore and seabed in the Crown, extinguishing any Māori claims to ownership and causing widespread outrage and protests among Māori communities. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Antje Deckert, Associate Professor (Criminology), Auckland University of Technology Getty Images Despite the connection between institutional harm and gang membership made clear in this week’s mammoth royal commission abuse-in care report, the government seems unlikely to soften its “get tough on ...
From Lewis Clareburt in the swimming to the start of the rowing – the first seven days of Paris 2024 promise to be big for New Zealand. There are few events that bring the country together quite like an Olympic Games. Nothing quite matches the excitement of getting up in ...
Groundbreaking local science just showed up in the most surprising of places: the season finale of The Kardashians. In the season five finale of The Kardashians last night, several members of the family gathered together in one of their signature empty, cream-coloured rooms to hear test results that had been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Saikal, Emeritus professor of Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies, Australian National University The Middle East is on the brink of a possibly devastating regional war, with hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah reaching an extremely dangerous level. Washington has engaged in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Laura Elizabeth Eades, Rheumatologist, Monash University Lupus is an inflammatory autoimmune illness, where the body’s immune system mistakenly attacks itself. Lupus can affect virtually any part of the body, although it most commonly affects the skin, joints and kidneys. The symptoms ...
A law firm that specialises in working with survivors of abuse in State care is disappointed that the Government fails to recognise that its boot camps can be directly compared to previous boot camps from the 1990s and 2000s. ...
Dying is a natural part of life, like updating your Wof or seeing your hairdresser, but without the word-of-mouth recs that help guarantee a good service. What if we changed that? Dying Reviews received by The Spinoff have had the names of organisations redacted while Hospice NZ collects further data. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jonti Horner, Professor (Astrophysics), University of Southern Queensland Mike Lewinski/Flickr, CC BY On any clear night, if you gaze skywards long enough, chances are you’ll see a meteor streaking through the sky. Some nights, however, are better than others. At ...
Despite having no bars or other designated spaces for lesbians, Auckland boasts a small but mighty lesbian museum. So how did it get here? The past 18 months has brought increasing hostility towards the queer community across Aotearoa. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull’s anti-trans rally in Tamaki Makaurau last March led to a ...
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Maybe there is a way out of the Poto Williams & Tamati Kruger ethno-vandalisim. (Stuff article quotes)
A spokesperson for the group, kaumātua Paki Nikora, said: “We are here because of the desecration of all our huts that have all had a historical connection to Tūhoe, and also all the hunters and trampers that frequented Te Urewera over 50 years plus.
“You can’t tell me a hut that sheltered our people for that long doesn’t belong to Te Urewera.”
"He said TUT did not represent all Tūhoe."
And local actual outdoor working Tuhoe (as opposed to indoor Ngati Taone) highlight one of my key worries–“Are you, minister, prepared to accept all responsibility … when all huts are removed and there's no shelter in the likelihood of emergencies, search and rescue, extreme weather events?”
And the clincher! “We don’t feel colonised by those huts,” he said. “We’re practical people, we just want the huts to stay in while we go hunting.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
By taking sides in a long running inter-tribal squabble?
https://www.teaomaori.news/tuhoe-marae-remove-support-te-uru-taumatua
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/353946/tuhoe-s-post-treaty-settlement-woes-evident-in-wake-of-festival
TUT and the environmental disaster that is their management of the Ureweras is a classic systemic outcome that inevitably happens when you give people a bunch of money and hand over control of a complex system when those people have no skills, no experience and no desire in managing the asset. Set up to fail, with the best of intentions all round I am sure. Pity about the Kiwi and the Kokako, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, eh?
TUT can do what they like with the Ureweras. I’m not some poor bastard who spent forty years of my life at war with introduced predators and gloried at the re-introduction of the Kokako. TUT clearly want to use the "park" as an asset to maximise the comfort of a subsistance lifestyle. None of this saving native flora and fauna. TUT are keen on a great leap backwards to the purity of the lifestyle of Te Kooti. Paddocks to graze horses and half-wild livestock. Over-run with pigs for an easy food source. Possums for pelts. Quiet valleys empty of nosy parkers like DOC, the police, and fussy Pakeha trampers are ideal for illegal activity to provide a nice stream of cash.
But like I said, they've got the park now and they can do what they want with it, they can shit in the woods all over the place for all I care. Tuhoe didn't sign the treaty, etc etc.
However, it's going to become our problem when their communities health crashes and the TB infested fauna, predators and lawlessness starts to bleed out of the borders of the third work ethnostate that is being created.
What then? One thing for sure – Tuhoe are busily demolishing any support for further co-governance initiatives in the conservation estate basically forever.
This is a gross over reaction and classic Maori-blaming but whatever floats your boat.
It isn't "Maori blaming". It is a simple statement of class based fact. The thing that needs to be honestly discussed here (instead of being a dick and playing the race card) is what TUT actually want. Everyone sits around singing Kumbaya to a deified idea of tribal Maori as the noble savage in tune with his environment. But what if they are just a bunch of dirt poor hillbillies behaving like dirt poor hillbillies everywhere behave?
If a bunch of middle class New Yorkers spent fifty years in an Appalacian park clearing paths, replanting chestnuts, re-introducing bald eagles and bears and wolves and building and maintaining huts then had to give the park back to a bunch of dumb local hard scrabble hillbillies who don’t like dangerous wild animals and they wrecked the huts and dug up the roads because they just want to be left alone by the federal authorities to moonshine, shoot squirrels and generally live like poor rural people you'd get the same level of dismay, but who is to say they are necessarily wrong? That is how they want to live, leave them alone.
I think we should cut the Kumbaya bullshit and have a grown up discussion about the purpose of the park is as it pertains to a community in grinding poverty. It is Tuhoe’s asset now, but it still part of New Zealand after all. If we were a bit more honest about procedings then we might come to something a bit more workable than what seems to be happening at the moment, which is a bunch of locals lying through their teeth about their real intentions to guillable Pakeha who desperately want to believe.
What role does anyone outside of the legla owners have over land that does not belong to them. There is legislation that appies to all of us and special legislation covering Te Urewera.
Why does this Maori owned land get singled out for attention?
What role will people intent on looking back to what happened when the land was a NP have? Why do they think they have a role? Is there something in our constitutional arrangements that enables beady eyed pakeha to say
'hey we know what is best'?
and 'we especially know what is best for Maori.'
Sounds pretty paternalistic to me.
Are you on the mailing list for the Iwi?
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
Have you read the aspiration and management plans?
Most of all I would like you to reflect on why you feel you have a right or that anyone has a right to blow a lot of reactionary hot air about.
Does it make a difference that Maori here have lived on this land since time immemorial? I think it does.
Pull your head in about using words like 'subsistence' in a pejorative way Not everyone is aspiring to follow the American Dream or a prosperity church where monetary riches mean everything.
More than anything 'will the sky fall in' if we let this group get on with their vision for the land?
No it won't.
Toi tu te whenua
The land alone endures.
Dude did you read what I wrote, or are you a bot?
I am not a dude and yes I did read it. At first I thought it was supportive of letting Tuhoe do as they want on land that is precious to them. However it was just wrapped up that way with the implied criticism being the stings all the way through like
subsistence life style
and this
The myth of naughty Tuhoe being responsible for other joint treaty based initiatives possibly failing. Is it co-governance when iwi hold the majority on the Board, when those appointed by the Minister are not DoC reps but people of vast experience in natural land use management etc?
The myth of this arrangement being co-governance,…it is governance as opposed to co-governance.
The trigger words such as 'ethno-state'
Are you saying that just because Tuhoe have got the land back that they are unable to have access to any of the Govt supports that other groups, land owners have. So TB, no access to any funding? so health no access to any funding, so lawlessness no police presence and access?
"The myth of this arrangement being co-governance,…it is governance as opposed to co-governance."
The arrangement is described as co-governance by the Maori Law Review.
The Deed of Settlement states "Te Urewera will have its own legislation and exist as a separate legal identity. It will be governed by Tūhoe and Crown nominees to act in the best interests of Te Urewera."
This article states "As a contrast to the successful Waikato River Authority, the Te Urewera co-governance agreement provides an indication of flaws the co-governance model can have and how it chafes against the reality that it does fail to give full effect to Treaty principles."
Where do you get the idea this is not a co-governance model?
Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. Two of these appointment that I know, I think, are not Maori but who knows anyone's whakapapa unless they care to share it. Minister of Conservation is not limited to appointing people from DoC or who are European. They are not there to push an party line or necessarily to espouse DoC's view.
Co-governance is being used as a loaded word to bash all hell out of ideas about Three Waters, Auckland Treaty settlement s etc. The concept is to bring about good governance or Mana Motuhake. The use of 'co' is best avoided unless giving a whistle out to nay sayers about Three Waters which you may be doing for all I know. .
I note your link to the Maori Law Review……I would make a small wager that if this was being written now as opposed to 2012 they would be unlikely to refer to it as 'co-governance' bearing in mind the rubbish being talked about 3 three waters etc.
You make no comment about what the actual paragraph says about Te Urewera and Tuhoe seizing only on references to bash me with your idea of the woes of co-governance.
This commentary is significant. In it Tuhoe are being consistent with their view of a step along the way……
'The issue with this fractured co-governance arrangement is a difficult one to grapple with when divorced from the historical context of the area. Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose. (my underlining) Kruger commented that “we are committed to washing away dependency on the Crown, and raising maximum autonomy for Tūhoe people".[24] Prioritising the authority of the Crown due to their greater resources undermines the purpose of restoring authority to Tūhoe. In practice, it keeps the land subject to Crown control, and does not practically aid mana whenua in engaging with the land.'
What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to.
Are you now going to get very concerned that there is not wholesale access to Ngamatea Station or Mt Linton Station. Both freehold land where the owners actively restrict access. …….I didn't think so……
Maori are not restricting access. They have a work programme of removing huts. Please do not conflate access with camping in a hut.
"Because it has a board made up of a majority of Maori and with appointments from Minister of Conservation. "
That doesn't make it not co-governance.
"Co-governance of Te Urewera is not understood by Tūhoe as the end goal, but is a stepping stone towards a resumption of authority that Tūhoe never agreed to lose."
So Tuhoe themselves accepted the arrangement was co-governance.
"What is that is concerning, from my angle it seems you do not wish to allow any group of Maori hold to their own land if it means exercising all the powers that they are entitled to."
Legally it is not their land. This is the point you don't seem to grasp. Te Urewera owns itself. Rightly or wrongly, that is what the treaty settlement determined.
tinderdry6 @5.03pm
You are fixated on co-governance. What is this all about?
Could you call it Mana Motuhake as that is what Tuhoe call it. Then we will know you are not using co-governance as some sort dog whistle to nay sayers about the concept. That is my great concern that people are holding up Tuhoe and saying we don't this so therefore as we don't like this we also don't want any other permutation. Which of course is rubbish if you don't understand the background.
Te Urewera is a 'The fee simple estate in the establishment land vests in Te Urewera and is held under, and in accordance with, this Act.
The management regime is by a board with majority Tuhoe appointments. The remining 3 are appointed by the minister of Conservation and are not DoC people.
Sections 3.4, 5 of the Act are important.
Te Urewera
Tūhoe and the Crown: shared views and intentions
(9)
Tūhoe and the Crown share the view that Te Urewera should have legal recognition in its own right, with the responsibilities for its care and conservation set out in the law of New Zealand. To this end, Tūhoe and the Crown have together taken a unique approach, as set out in this Act, to protecting Te Urewera in a way that reflects New Zealand’s culture and values.
(10)
The Crown and Tūhoe intend this Act to contribute to resolving the grief of Tūhoe and to strengthening and maintaining the connection between Tūhoe and Te Urewera.'
I think that vesting an entity away from NP, crown land etc and appointing a majority board is very close to saying it is administered/controlled by this board, …..as it should be.
Many areas of Maori owned land/Incorporations have management committees but no-one says that the owners sitting behind those chosen to be on a committee have lost all connection with the land
The board has members appointed by the trustees of Tūhoe Te Uru Taumatua
'Te Uru Taumatua represents the Tūhoe nation and the lands and wealth held in common for Tūhoe. The purpose of the Governing Board of Te Uru Taumatua is to lead and serve the cultural permanency and prosperity of Tūhoetana by unlocking the unity potential of Mana Motuhake. Advancing Tūhoe social and economic development in a way that is distinctively Tūhoe recognises that we will build the Tūhoe nation with our minds, our hearts and our hands.
Your Board is committed to getting the best and right skills, advice and expertise from within Tūhoe and outside. Tūhoe settlement assets and resources must be preserved and grown to support our development now and into the future. Tūhoe culture and heritage pathways must be directed and grown with this development.
This Board works for Tūhoe and on behalf of Tūhoe'.
https://www.ngaituhoe.iwi.nz/tut
You are splitting hairs when you say that the people of Tuhoe have no interest in the land…that they cannot call it 'their' land. Maori hold land interest very differently to the way land is held in the European system, Joint ownership is all, individualism is not.
Over the course of this discussion I have linked to the legislation the settlement, the management documents of Tuhoe. You have let all these drift over you preferring 'gotchas' from ignorant MSM or dated commentaries.
Why is this?
I am coming to the view that your interest is not in acquiring knowledge and therefore learning things about how different people in NZ structure their affairs.
It is an exercise in nit picking, splitting hairs, and mainly avoiding a 'fair, large and liberal' look at ways that land can be held and managed. It is also not about expecting the best of people, or of giving people a chance and neither is it respectful of the different ways that people can manage land.
It is not benign, it is not genuine.
Hopefully that you are not applying this once over lightly approach to the Maunga in Tamaki Makaurau.
"What role does anyone outside of the legla owners have over land that does not belong to them. "
The legal owner of Te Urewera is Te Urewera.
"Why does this Maori owned land get singled out for attention?"
This claim that Te Urewera is 'Maori owned land' is a distortion of the treaty settlement. Te Urewera owns itself and is co-governed.
"On 11 September 2012, Te Kotahi ā Tūhoe, the Ngāi Tūhoe negotiations team, accepted the Crown offer to settle the historical claims of Tūhoe. The Crown offer includes financial, commercial and cultural redress valued at approximately $170 million; an historical account and Crown apology; the co-governance of Te Urewera lands, which will be vested in a new legal identity created by legislation; and mana motuhake in relation to the delivery of government and iwi services to Tūhoe communities." (emphasis mine).
If co-governance is to deliver on its very real potential, (and it can), there needs to be a recognition that the co-governance entity, and partners, are in place to deliver outcomes that are best for these special environments, and the people of New Zealand who are willing to respect and enjoy them.
I take that as meaning that many of the people who want Te Urewera returned to a more pristine condition, have secure lives and incomes elsewhere. And that this security is necessarily derived from places that are not, and cannot be, pristine.
So we cannot demand that someone else's land remains in its original condition without ensuring that their economic circumstances don't make it impossible, i.e. humans always and everywhere will do what is expedient to make their lives more comfortable.
I may have totally misinterpreted your meaning though.
I have no problem with your interpretation AB.
On the wider I think it is cynical though
It was also mine until I read and digested the last paras, and noted the trigger words in the post. Neither were in quotes to signify that this was a view not supported but quoted from somewhere. I think Sanctuary believes that these words apply.
subsistence
ethno-state
Here's the stuff article link.
TUT is being openly critcised by some Tuhoe Kaumatua. Are they also 'Maori blaming'?
Why are you asking leading questions? Do you have anything useful to add to this debate?
Perhaps you should have waited the 21 minutes between my comments.
Perhaps you could have acknowledged that I provided the link.
Perhaps you should have read the comment I was responding to.
Perhaps you should not ask leading questions in spurious comments.
Perhaps nobody should have to wait for you here for 21 min, or however long, on the off chance that something more/better might be coming from you.
Perhaps the link as such was not such a problem but the linking behaviour was.
Perhaps I do read all comments but your comment was a problem.
Perhaps you have problems with reading comprehension.
Perhaps you should pull your head in.
If you had read the comment I was responding to, you would have understood.
Unsurprisingly, you continue your preference for missing the points and choosing to misunderstand that your comment was the issue that I responded to; it was neither helpful nor constructive. In addition, you didn’t help your case with the inane response @ 2.2.1.2.1.1. I’d told you already that I read all comments but glossing over that is part of your MO here and you’re too fixated on your own navel.
So Tinderdry you know all about the background to this?
Where have you got your info from to speak on this?
Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach.
This homogenous group all thinking the same owes much to the concept of the 'noble savage'.
On every local authority in the land there are groups of councillors who do not think the same as each other or as some of their constituents. In those cases most of us think that having differing ideas is a good thing enabling all issues to come out and be discussed.
Why does this somehow morph into being a bad thing in Maori controlled organisation? You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular.
Why is that?
Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe.
'Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.'
Says it all really with a bit of humour lacking in MSM
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
"Where have you got your info from to speak on this?"
From, amongst other sources, the links I have provided.
"Do you subscribe to the view that Maori are a homogenous race who all believe the same thing or are they like every other human being who when in a group may have differences of opinion and approach."
No, I do not subscribe to the view that ‘all Maori are a homogenous race…’. Tamati Kruger has claimed to speak for all Tuhoe, as in this article, and it is clear that he doesn't.
"You don't believe that differing viewpoints and discussion is of value to Maori groups or Tuhoe in particular."
Differing viewpoints is healthy.
"Could it be because we have been led by the nose by MSM firstly into some false equivalence that 'access equals huts' and that it is newsworthy that a private group has people who disagree with them or as in the update from Tuhoe."
This 'private group' consists of Tuhoe Kaumatua. It includes 8,000 people who signed a petition to stop the hut removals. That suggests a fairly widespread dissatisfaction with what is happening within the community.
It is also relevant to consider how TUT got to this place. This article provides some background, including disputes between TUT and DoC over maintenance of the huts and bridges inside the park.
In the context of your comment about " false equivalence that 'access equals huts' ", of course access doesn’t equal huts, but you might want to reflect on Tamati Kruger's comment that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."
‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’
Your quote
This seems like a good idea. DoC seem to be doing a fair bit of micromanaging.
I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. It is the role of the landowner to set priorities. Their priority is not about opening up. Fair enough. Another priority if you look at the work plans is to manage what they can and not to spread themselves too thinly.
I as a land owner also have my priorities on my land. Public access is also not a priority but I am working with arborists on trees at the front and this will have a benefit for the public as leaves or little branches may be less likely to fall on the pavement or in the stormwater drains.
I cannot locate it now but in some thing that you have linked to is a criticism that Tuhoe closed access during Covid. Really what silly ideas people have, during Covid we were restricted from travelling, warned about going to places where we might need to be rescued, keep close, don’t mix willy nilly. So Tuhoe follows this and is criticised for it.
You can see Tuhoe cannot win with statements like this being trotted out as if they were justified.
"‘Kruger told Stuff in November that the relationship with the Crown post-settlement had failed, and Tūhoe wanted a re-set, dealing directly with Crown-Māori Relations Minister Kelvin Davis instead of DOC.’"
"I have no problem with Tamati Kruger's comment. "
The problem is that Kruger's comments cut across the treaty settlement. He's trying to renegotiate the settlement by media, and that is precisely what will get people antsy about co-governance.
That is complete and utter rubbish.
Tamati Kruger is trying to explain things in words of one syllable, comic form might have been easier, to people who are desperately trying not to understand.
Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc. If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments. Just because a settlement & legislation has been enacted it does not stop dialogue between Tuhoe and Ministers or other Treaty partners.
Kruger is attempting to remove DoC from the conversation, and replace them with the Crown-Māori Relations Minister. It is irrelevant whether you think this is a good idea, it is an attempt to amend the treaty settlement.
Kruger states that "opening Te Urewera to the public was “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi." Again, that is an attempt to change the treaty settlement. Kruger doesn't make that call. Public access is a right enshrined in the settlement. It is not exercised or prioritised at his whim.
“Treaty Settlements are often varied, amended etc.”
Are they? Can you provide some examples? The ones I’m aware of are financial adjustments that are built into the original arrangements.
“If it was found that the DoC input has not been helpful or Tuhoe focussed then it is the right of the Board to raise legislative amendments.”
To raise them, yes. Not to unilaterally declare them
So the hut protestors are not trying to negotiate by media…..only Kruger. That figures. Goose/gander comes to mind.
What does this mean?
What is 'unilaterally declare' them? What is the difference between raise them and declaring them? Tuhoe can only raise them, if it wants to raise them strongly is that some sort of a problem?
"What is 'unilaterally declare' them?"
In the declaration that public access is "“way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brought no benefit to the iwi."". Kruger has done amazing work for Tuhoe, but it is clear he is out of step with a significant number of his iwi, and it is not his call to place the benefit of the iwi over a key element of the treaty settlement.
"What is the difference between raise them and declaring them?"
The difference in this context is seen in this article. DoC have been trying to deal with the safety issues in the park for years, but Kruger's comments mirror the resistance of TUT to allow the work to be completed. This is not in the spirit or the letter of the treaty settlement, and seems designed to exclude the public, at least for a time.
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Shanreagh
Let's hope this comment earns you a tweet from Moana Maniapoto saying "We see you, Shanreagh, and you're very, very special… a great Totara … a Woman of Great Mana … a unique Go-Between uniting the two noble races". And you'll go all giggly, won't you … like a small child who's just met an All Black.
A great example of an affluent Professional-Managerial Class narcissist – a Luvvie, if you will – paternalistically "protecting" powerful Māori as if they're small children – eternally innocent, eternally virtuous – … no matter the context.
I have no doubt you'd have automatically defended the slave labour thriving under iwi-owned enterprises within the fishing industry. Ostentatious displays of virtue-signaling for in-group reputational enhancement. The pure narcissism, pure self-indulgence of the bourgeois middle to upper-middle class. Entirely at the expense of the good of the Country.
#LuxuryBeliefs
[This is nothing but a personal attack on another commenter. Please cut it out – Incognito]
What tiresome ad hominem rubbish you speak rather than debating the issues.
Have you got any views on the concepts I have been raising like Maor world view, beliefs, legislation, treaty settlements or are you happy with your contribution of
Luvvie?
narcissist, self indulgence
luxury beliefs
What is missing though is your belief that 'I am a pretty little communist' and I really miss that kind of in depth response
Way out with the All Blacks though. Since 1981 they have left me cold. I have not seen a game on TV or in person since being a bystander at the Molesworth st happening and then being barricaded in my house by a Police presence at the top of my street, so buses full of weeing fans could unload, while defending the mighty boks and All Blacks at Athletic park.
Why do you think I would protect the items you have quoted in your last para. I have been talking only about Tuhoe not fishing? I really don't see the connection unless you are talking about the bed of the lake which was not part of the settlement and noting that Fish & Game Council still has jurisdiction.
Your ad hominem and misogynistic comments say more about you than me. That you are afraid to debate the issues so you are only able to take personal pot shots. Most of your suppositions about me are incorrect.
My simple point is this:
On a weighing of righting wrongs or keeping tattered, battered, rat ridden huts I automatically choose the righting of wrongs. In fact I would place the righting of wrongs above almost anything especially when it is the righting of wrongs where the state/crown had inflicted the wrong.
Swordfish presumably your priority is to keep the huts over the bigger picture of righting a wrong. This surprises me.
I do recall some pretty horrendous stories about your parents that may have knocked your view of people and you have automatically applied what you have endured there on a race based view to situations that are not the same.
If that is offensive to you then what can I say?
I'm still laughing at the All Blacks reference…how wrong can you be? I believed then, as I do now, that there is no sporting issue that should guide our diplomatic stance. I can see parallels that those who supported the Springboks could also be the ones to support the huts over the righting of wrongs to Tuhoe.
I like Moana but my favourite NZ poets would be Hone Tuwhare and Api Taylor. I have never heard the term Luvvie and am not paternalistic…a contradiction in terms for me really
I have lots of favorites of Hone's and love Api's He Rau Aroha: A Hundred Years of Love (Penguin), was a runner-up in the Pegasus Book Awards. This is a collection of short stories.
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Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum.
There are pest management plans covering possum and other introduced pests if you cared to look on the sites run by Tuhoe.
As for pelts being taken instead of just left, this is such an old activity that really compounds the anti posters lack of knowledge about what has been going on here.
An uncle had traplines up here for years prior to and after the area was made into a NP. All legal and above board. there was always a market for good pelts and that was why in the old days when tramping and coming across a trapper hut or bivvy and the inevitable warm welcome you made sure about where you might sleep, that there might be a skin or two stretching out on the wirewove.
Even as late as the 1980s in hut on the big stations up close to the boundaries there were shepherds huts where the occupants were doing the same thing.
The skins had a market here in NZ but my Uncle, in an effort to maximise his returns, and because he did this as a living, used to send his pelts to the London fur & skin markets. These old time trappers did this not because they loved possums, far from it but because they loved the land, the bush and the isolation and could get a living from it. They saw themselves as being able to help in a small way with the recovery of the bush.
"Heavy footed people with no understanding and a swag of entitlement can wreak more damage than a possum. "
Perhaps you could provide a link to support your assertion.
Because there is lots (and lots) of evidence the other way. Possums are a very significant ecological pest – which are largely uncontrolled by any predator (hence the need for trapping and/or poisoning).
https://www.pestdetective.org.nz/culprits/possum/
You think I am being literal about lots of trampers causing damage as against the damage caused by a possum? Sad. But if this was what I was talking about I am sure there would be evidence about human overuse/degradation of landscape that then leaves the land prone to further degradation by introduced pests. Eg over use of high country land by stock, degrades tussock cover, rabbits get in etc
No I am talking about the damage to reputation, to mana, to a correct and preceptive view of history and an openness to facing the future that is caused by closed minds. The 'heavy footed' people are those of us who want to criticise without knowledge, to indulge in criticism of Maori life styles without knowing what and whether they fit in with a Maori world view, as opposed to a Pakeha world view.
For other 'heavy footedness' just read some of the earlier comments, made over this issue over the weekend.
For a view that draws on the plans for the future pl read the websites for Tuhoe and this about the issue being discussed.
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
Gosh – I'm glad you're not in charge of conservation….
Because actual species being wiped out is just a tad more important than theoretical 'reputational damage'
Being put in charge of NZ conservation/environment is a hospital pass.
Only Parker is still in parliament. Former Minister for the Environment Goff went on to become Mayor of Auckland. Apart from MPs in the 6th Labour Government, no former Minister of Conservation is still in Parliament, although Wollaston and Chadwick went on to do stints are regional city mayors (Nelson and Rotorua, respectively), and that well-know environmentalist Dr Nick Smith is now Mayor of Nelson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Conservation_(New_Zealand)
Sounds like a pit-stop on an accelerated career pathway! Goff is now the High Commissioner in London.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-auckland-mayor-phil-goff-confirmed-as-top-diplomat-in-london/2AN3KI2COHOUCJS4LNYYUEZAVU/
Could be! Former Minister of Conservation Tim Groser skipped the perks and burdens of local Government and went straight to the post of New Zealand's ambassador to the United States of America.
There's also Joe Walding (High Commissioner to the UK), Russell Marshall (High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and Ambassador to Ireland) and, more recently, Trevor Mallard (Ambassador to Ireland), who was Minister for the Environment towards the end of the 5th Labour Government.
Hopefully some of them had more than just an eye to their career pathways while they were doing their Ministerial duties, although you do have to wonder sometimes.
I'm certainly one who believes that all politicians should be mandatorialy (goodness, is that even a word) retired after a certain number of terms in office (combining local, national and official postings).
I don't think that political re-treads (from any party) do a good job representing our country overseas. Certainly not a better one than the people actually trained and educated to be ambassadors.
Well if you think that all the misinformation about Tuhoe that has been spouted today and over the weekend is theoretical ……
8000 people mislead by MSM 'shock horror' have signed some sort of petition in the belief that Tuhoe are doing something or not doing something on their land. So that is 8000 X 9 (the comms calc about complaints and how they spread to others) I would say that is far from theoretical.
I have not made a false equivalence. One possum destroys, we know that. Tuhoe knows that and has trapping etc programmes.
Just who will be working to ensure that the damage to the reputation of Tuhoe is mended after this onslaught. Will you be? Or do you still think the crown owned/ns the land, it is like a NP and Tuhoe have only a minor role.
You have shown that you are not able to understand my point and that is a pity. I agree that species are endangered, I said so in reply. I also feel that reputational damage is hard to overcome even if you are actually in the right, as Tuhoe is.
And, equally clearly, you have shown that you are …. unwilling … to consider the points that I and others have raised.
8,000 local people protesting – Tuhoe kaumatua among them – but hey, it's all bullshit from MSM (/sarc/). Your blinkers have narrowed your vision to the point that you're unable to see the cliff you're rushing towards.
Happy to consider them if you can get basic facts correct.
Sadly lacking so far and when I tried to broaden the idea that misinformed people can damage reputations you did not get the analogy and we had some fruitless debate. You still don't understand reputational damage do you?
You are now saying that 8000 misinformed people are worth more than the reputation of a group doing its best following the settling of a bad Treaty claim.
I have linked to this before. The ref to ‘Waimana’ are to those grumpy with the Tuhoe Board.
Mentioned were DOC, Labour, TUT, Huts, even Trump, e ahu pēhea ana koutou? What is your plan?
Waimana taking misinformed pākeha for a ride on their issues and pākeha taking Waimana for a ride with their anxieties.
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You are quoting from what looks like an email from the Tuhoe iwi entity. This entity has been at odds before with its Kaumatua council, and the email you quote from reads more like a propaganda piece.
I've already linked to this article that details DoC attempts to progress remediation work on the huts, and Tuhoe leadership being a handbrake on that work.
"He (Kruger) also claimed there had been a decade of under-investment by DOC prior to the settlement – “we haven't really inherited assets, we’ve inherited liabilities” – and the $2m DOC provided each year for Te Urewera’s upkeep was “overly miserly”. But the documents show that money was not the impediment to repairing the dilapidated structures – DOC was offering to pay for everything. Rather, the problem was getting Tūhoe to approve a maintenance plan."
Also:
"In another report, English explained that DOC had provided a maintenance funding agreement to the TUT chief executive (Luke), “with the expectation that she would review it, and we would then proceed to signature. There has been no response. DOC has subsequently sent a reminder about progressing the agreement, but had no response. “Our understanding is that TUB believe that discussion about annual funding is one that should take place with the Minister [of Conservation]. There is no legislative authority for such decision making by [the Minister].”
I don’t know who’s calling the shots here, but this entire arrangement seems to be headed off the rails.
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Always good to have a link to the real oil. But don't let any source of reality or another point of view put you off your quoting storm from an unknown MSM source.
https://mailchi.mp/ngaituhoe/te-manu-whititua-issue-n3-1515866?e=f96a1d00b6
Michievous people have conflated huts with access. Hopefully you were not one of them.
Farmers are revolting!
"“They can’t prosecute us all.”
She asked the hundreds of people at the meeting to stand with her in boycotting the consents and almost all did."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130286957/fed-farmers-call-for-alternative-farming-emissions-proposal
So he a $150,000 Emitter ! He must be one of the high falutin', pollutin', AND revoltin'
Urrgh
Or as Stuart Gray said a member of the pollutocrat tribe of the Nats.
These same farmers will be asking for taxpayer assistance if flooding that is amplified by climate change devastates their properties. The obvious problem is that reducing emissions won't reduce the effects of climate change in the short-medium term, because so much change is already baked in by past emissions.
And that is essentially a fiscal problem: farmers will be paying to reduce emissions (or passing those costs to the public), while simultaneously taxpayers will be paying to mitigate or repair the effects of climate change. The ledger does not balance out here – there is only cost. Public finances will be overwhelmed and living standards will fall at the same time. Hard to avoid the conclusion that we are now on the leading edge of utter chaos.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130273077/12-things-the-national-party-says-it-will-repeal-reverse-and-scrap
Geez, Natz policy.
Be nice to see some positive policies.
Not going to happen from a party that couldn't produce them whilst in power. It's now a vehicle for dissent, negativity, dirty politics and privilege.
All feed and watered by our owned media with these faux culture wars.
An article on Stuff this morning listing 11 things that National will repeal/reverse/scrap if they win the election next year. But naturally nothing about what they will do instead to fix the institutional problems of our country.
But we can guess. It will probably start with tax cuts for the rich, new multi-billion roads and fly-overs for Ford Ranger owning rural townies, building new prisons and cuts to public services.
The difference between National and Labour is that Labour valiantly keeps trying to make a rotten system better, but can't do it because it is too far gone, our public service is too small and too protective of its own privilege to do it anyway, and Labour lacks the balls, the money and the people to clean it out completely and start again from scratch. On the other hand National just gives up trying straight away and tries to fool us into thinking that doing nothing is actually doing something.
[What Stuff article? Provide direct links to quoted text, thanks – Incognito]
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Absolutely right, Mike.
Over the life of this country (at least since 1840), all the positive legislation that makes life better for ordinary kiwis has come from the left of the political spectrum.
Natz have largely just maintained the status quo.
But that approach will simply not work in the face of the existential crisis of climate change. Frankly, the market has no f*cking idea how to get us out of the environmental mess they have created.
We need interventionist governments prepared to do things: like three waters, fair pay agreements, rebuilding the health system, housing etc.
The rich don't use public hospitals or state school; all they need is roads to get to airports for their overseas holidays. Hence the Natz focus on roads.
This country can't afford another Natz/Act government.
Sorry I can't seem to post links. I will try to find out how.
Noted and let us know if you need help with that.
Everytime I try to post a link I get a message saying it isn't supported. It is an IMAC and contrary to Apple's claims they don't make things easier.
Thanks. I’ve left a note in the back-end and hopefully someone will be able to help you with this.
Mike, what operating system are you using? What browser? Are they both up to date? Can you please post the exact text of the message, and if it’s from the browser or the os?
Any legislation to make day to day life a bit better for the "average" person does not and will not come from a National government. Paid parental leave they voted against and Labour has since its introduction steadily increased the payments. Sick leave, annual leave, KiwiSaver …… As long as the better off get a generous tax cut is first and foremost on their policy wish list.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pms-office-attack-staff-evacuated-after-sword-used-to-damage-jacinda-arderns-auckland-office/ZUJBADSS3Y7IQ4DLA5DCM552IE/
Just in.
My first reaction:
Blame the Hoskings and HdPAs.
Blame the tabloid media in general.
Blame the Nats and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Blame ACT and their constant barrage of false and misinformation.
Could be coincidental but did the culprit wait until Ardern was in Antarctica?
Edit: the article has now been edited. The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside. Fire trucks arrived to put out a fire. There was no staff there at the time.
The last "domestic terrorist" that smashed in the frontage of the Prime Minister's office in Mt Albert electorate did not do it when the PM was there either Helen Clark's office in Sandringham Rd had an axe put through the window one morning. It was very upsetting for the staff – I was upstairs doing some Labour Party work that morning so all we heard was the crash, but the office was closed for the day while the Police did the forensic stuff.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-admits-to-putting-axe-through-prime-ministers-window/27HOEJFHOWJYNMQH6IEOKKVBJY/
An up to date version from Stuff:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300721972/samurai-sword-at-scene-of-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-smashed-auckland-electoral-office
Yes, Visubversa, no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert.
Victims of the venomous Right. There have been quite a few of us over the years who were thus targeted. I was a nobody when it happened to me 30 years ago, so the police weren’t interested.
Oh, come on, Anne!
It certainly hasn't only happened to Labour PMs or to women PMs
John Key's electorate office was firebombed
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/key-has-no-idea-why-office-was-attacked
Was he a victim of the venomous Left?
You know I did not say they only happen to Labour MP's and women PMs.
You know I was replying in the context of visibversa's comment @ 7.1
So why try to start a flame war?
I was similarly targeted by a woman who was planted in the Mt.Albert Labour Party 35 plus years ago. I know who put her there and why… but am not revealing the context or the identities here so don't bother to ask.
You said: "no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
When, actually, yes it is a coincidence.
I've provided one example of an attack on the office of a male PM – there are plenty of others.
Attacks on the electorate offices (and even MPs themselves – cf James Shaw) – are an occupational hazard in NZ (and in other countries as well).
I don't support it – or minimize it – but I acknowledge that it happens to many – right or left. Perhaps you could do the same.
Calling you on misinformation is not starting a flame war.
Oh yes it is starting a flame war when you know I was referring to a specific situation as was indeed Visubversa before me. Maybe I didn't choose my words ponderously enough for Madam but most people here don't mess around with silly semantics just to prove to the world they are always right and the target of the hour is wrong.
And to suggest I'm spouting misinformation on the subject only serves to further the suspicion by quite a few on this site that you are a person who thinks she has to be top dog in all things. 🙄
I'm not suggesting. You were spouting misinformation – as you have done in the past – and no doubt will do in the future.
Have you acknowledged, yet – I don't seem to see it in the responses – that actually attacks on electorate offices and individual politicans happen to members of all political parties – and males are affected as well as females.
Misinformation is not my game and never has been. You do yourself a disservice with your silly 'misinterpretations'.
I find your understanding on some technical matters pertaining to topics discussed here both useful and interesting. Then you go and spoil it.
"I've yet to acknowledge that attacks on electorate offices happen to all political parties?" (paraphrase)
We were talking about one specific office that was attacked yesterday. To suggest that I or anyone else is denying they happen to other political parties because we didn't mention them in dispatches is bordering on the idiotic.
I've been around the political traps on and off for 50 years and believe me I know a thing or two – as do others on this site. You might do well to ponder the fact our experiences are worthy of respect… even if you do imagine you know better.
Can you detect the strong whiff of misogyny in the venom directed against our PM? If not then please see your GP.
Haven't 'times' changed – 'funny' that.
Some people eh? Wonder what might still be going through their 'minds'.
Meanwhile, the MP who has actually been personally physically attacked – is James Shaw. A bloke.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/james-shaw-attacked.html
I can't think of another MP who has physically attacked – rather than jostled in a crowd, etc. Although there have been some things thrown at right-wing pollies – which is pretty borderline, in my estimation.
[Edit – I’ve just found this link to a series of physical attacks on politicians over the years – all were blokes – (in my defence, many are from well before I had any active interest in politics)]
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/beaten-bloodied-and-bruised-the-mps-attacked-over-the-years/5KA355JWECKJZJRI7UDYD66I5Y/
If you want to argue that MPs are increasingly at risk from both physical and virtual attacks, I'll certainly agree with you. And there is research to back it up.
https://www.otago.ac.nz/news/news/otago104620.pdf
But to claim that only women are affected is simply not true.
Another extraordinary claim – tell me who made it and I will ‘have words’.
Oh, come on, Belladonna!
You’ve offered no good reason for me to revise my reply to your comment @7.2.1, simply because you've subsequently introduced physical assaults into the mix. If for some reason you bring yourself to acknowledge the objective truth of the misogynistic component in the venom directed at our PM then that’s disappointing, but tbh I’m not surprised.
Try reading Anne's initial comment
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
Jacinda has a level of vitriol addressed to and about her. As did Key.
Popular politicians also have the converse of that popularity – it's only the mediocre ones who seem to attract little hatred (people go 'meh' rather than froth at the mouth.)
If it is misogynistic in relation to Ardern is is equally misandric (if that is the word) in relation to Key?
I will absolutely agree that online abuse of female politicians outweighs that directed at their male counterparts.
I don't see any evidence, however that physical assaults (on person or property) are greater for women than for men. In fact, the evidence I've linked to seems to show the reverse.
If you have evidence to show that I'm wrong, then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion.
And the initial comment was about the attack on Ardern's electorate office (not about any threats made to her). You are the one who initially widened the scope of the thread.
It's kind of frightening you have so far failed to condemn the samurai sword attack on the PM's electorate office.
Apologies if you have, but I don't want to wade through all your comments today. Far too draining and depressing.
You (and others from the right) seem to me to be spending a lot of time minimising this incident…
Quote from up the thread
If that's not sufficient for you, then I unreservedly condemn the attack on the PM's electorate office. While acknowledging that it will almost certainly have been carried out by someone mentally unbalanced.
I read Anne's initial comments @7 and @7.2 about the recent attack on the PM's office, and the earlier attack on PM Clark's office that Visubversa wrote about @7.1.
In your first 'contribution', your reply (to Anne) @7.2.1, you wrote:
Which is an indisputable statement, but also a tad odd – given that no one had suggested otherwise. Anne (@7.2.1.1) made this crystal clear for you:
You then had the gall (@7.2.1.1.1 and @7:56 pm) to write that you were "calling" Anne "on [spouting] misinformation", when it was you, and only you, who had deliberately misrepresented what Anne had written. That's self-serving bad faith behaviour – plain as day.
You bad faith commenting continued when you offered this:
Once again, you, and only you, had made such a claim in this thread – it would be absurd to suggest otherwise. Readers can make up their own minds about why you would write such an absurdity – I know I have.
I stand by my reply to your comment @7.2.1 – that you subsequently introduced the spurious matter of the physical assault on Shaw into the mix is further evidence that you are not commenting in good faith – rather you are minimising and diverting.
Imho our PM has shown considerable fortitude in the face of a veritable torrent of abuse and threats, including death threats – it can't be easy.![yes yes](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/thumbs_up.png?x42494)
To our PM – hang in there – Kia kaha, and be kind
Thanks Drowsy M Kram.
Belledonna's presence on this site appears – in part – to try and undermine this government. Its an age old trick to do it by way of attempting to score points off and ridiculing individuals who stand behind or support them.
It is the same ploy used by the right-wing dirty political brigade when they attempted to destroy Clarke Gayford's reputation by way of spreading false stories about him. Take for example the "nanny": meme. It's Jacinda Ardern they are aiming to hurt by despoiling the reputations of those around her. They did the same to Helen Clark.
Helen rose above them and so will Jacinda.
No worries Anne – when reading a 'Belladonna' comment, I often think 'With respectful centrists like that, who needs NAct supporters.'
Sorry, that should read:
"But to claim that only women are affected is simply not true."
Bullshit. No-one is claiming only women parliamentarians get attacked.
You are the one indulging in cute misinformation.
Sigh. Try reading your own comment:
"no coincidence they were women Prime Ministers representing the Labour held seat of Mt. Albert."
Yes, it is a coincidence. Or, alternatively, your framing. There are plenty of other instances of non-Labour and non-female (if one is still allowed to use that divisive term) pollies offices being attacked (including PMs)
To claim this is "no coincidence" is to state (with no evidence) that this level of violence is only directed at Labour women PMs. Which is a lie.
"Staff evacuated after sword attack" in the headline and yet when you read the article "No injuries have been reported and the building was unoccupied at the time," police said.
So how do you evacuate an empty building.
Not good but the standard of reporting is terrible..
From the Stuff report at 7.2 above:
Deb Fong, who owns a yoga studio next-door to the electoral office, said she could smell smoke in her studio.
An office is not the same as a building.
The report quotes the police statement.
I think you will finds the police told them they couldn't occupy the office until they had finished their forensic examination. That could take several hours.
At the time the article was put together, the reporter wouldn't know the exact turn of events so just labelled it an evacuation.
Whatever, the psychological effect on the staff will be enormous because of a large sword left behind on the ground. I'm picking that was a deliberate act to threaten the staff and the PM.'
In the Helen Clark case it was an axe.
A typical example of the level of vitriol thrown at the Prime Minister. She is being criticised for taking her partner with her to Antarctica. A swag of former prime ministers have visited Anrtactica over the years and it looks like they all took their spouses/partners with them. Jesus.![angry angry](https://cdn2.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/ark-wysiwyg-comment-editor/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/angry_smile.png?x42494)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-on-antarctica-climate-change-research-and-why-she-brought-partner-clarke-gayford/EHKU7F2Y75E2DO74VWHPOSOGAA/
" The original reported a man was seen approaching the office… he smashed a window and threw something inside". Why do we men always get the blame for this sort of madness?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300721972/woman-arrested-after-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-auckland-electoral-office-damaged
"We" don't.
The reports said it was a man, including eye-witness comments. Later the reports changed.
Good to see that 2.75m given to the mob being put to good use by the Mongrel Mob. Did anyone actually believe the PR lady that they were no longer in to drugs? (she is awfully quiet now).
But at least all the gang members now vote Labour.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130267411/antidrug-mongrel-mobs-man-was-meth-kingpin
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/446739/ardern-backs-2-point-75m-support-for-mongrel-mob-meth-addiction-programme
The recipients were a group called Hard2Reach, fronted by Harry Tam and anthropologist and public health researcher Angie Wilkinson.
Do you have evidence that either is involved in the drug trade?
No I obviously don't personally have any evidence, but the police do as Mark Griffiths will be off to jail now. Actually if he gets the good judge probably home D.
So why the inference that Harry Tam and anthropologist and public health researcher Angie Wilkinson are connected to Griffiths' offending?
/equally bad take
I'm told the drugs were imported via printer cartridges. Well be needing to implement sanctions against the US administration and their cartel of printer suppliers now.
/equally bad take finished
New Zealand's male violence towards women is further demonstrated by the deranged, cowardly attack on the PM's electorate office. There are too many men who cannot seem to accept and adapt to women's involvement in politics, government, local government, business, senior roles in any field. As soon as they rise to the top these pathetic men want to drag them down in one way or another. Anger, jealousy, "pretty communist" "Cindy", "girl in a skirt" that sort of nonsense never gets hurled at Chris Luxon. Time some people grew up.
police have arrested a 57 year old Woman .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300721972/woman-arrested-after-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-auckland-electoral-office-damaged
Define woman. So unless there is a picture or a comment to precise that it was an adult human female – who may or may not identify as a 'woman' you actually have no idea who really committed the crime, i mean anyone who feels like a women can self identify as a woman, one can even change daily their gender expression and no alterations to bodies or faces need to be made in order to self identify as a woman. And i would like to point out that the person was not described as a 'cis' woman either. So really might just not 'sex' the criminal until more information is available.
In saying that, knife attacks, attacks on people with screwdrivers, ramraids, bashings etc is all up and i would assume this is do to mental health issues in many cases. And sometimes these mental health issues need more then just access to a 0800 number.
So give the criminal a few month of Home D, say 9 month? That seems to be a good punishment for crimes against 'human females" of all ages and their offices.
The change in sex reported is noted.
It'll be worth seeing why that happened.
coincidentally Fond of Beetles has this thread up this morning.
https://twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1585706618930532360
Correct, a woman has been arrested.
However, it was widely reported to be a man immediately after the attack.
Most of those reports have since been updated and corrected, and unfortunately most NZ media do not bother to follow best practice overseas of notifying readers of corrections. The requirement for links on The Standard is entirely reasonable, but the linked content often changes, and only screenshots (or our own memories) can confirm original reporting.
"New Zealand's male violence towards women is further demonstrated by the deranged, cowardly attack on the PM's electorate office"
What made you jump to the conclusion that it would be a man attacking the PM's office?
They have arrested a woman. When Jacinda was abused up north a while ago that was a woman too.
For the 3rd time – it was reported in the media as being a man. The story at 10 am was not the story at 1l am or 1 pm.
Perhaps you could read the comments before "jumping to a conclusion".
Derangement is not peculiar to men.
There were plenty of women involved in despoiling the centre of Wellington in February.
The difference is that deranged men have an additional bone of contention – Jacinda being a woman means that she is "not one of us" and thus more contemptible.
More war crimes. So the question that has to be asked, is our government not acting because they are not white?
What would you like our government to do?
Rescind the free trade agreement for starters.
Provide humanitarian aid to the civilians families being killed.
Cut off the military from arms and weapons – with us pulling out of all free trade agreements with those who supply them.
This is not enough – more than we would of got from the nat's, sure. But not enough.
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BANGKOK (AP) — New Zealand said Thursday it will not deal with Myanmar under a major 15-nation trade agreement, the world’s largest that took effect this year, citing the deadly violence and democratic setbacks in the Southeast Asian country after the military seized power last year.
https://apnews.com/article/business-asia-new-zealand-myanmar-global-trade-b54b9f97ddeb4287762ea2797e44de8d
New Zealand has joined a boycott of an upcoming counter-terrorism meeting being co-chaired by the Russian and Myanmar militaries, in a move welcomed by activists.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-to-boycott-counter-terrorism-meeting-over-russia-myanmar-roles
Your links are months old, and they did not work.
As my main link shows, they have not worked for months.
Shut the door to this militarism
Cut off the arms.
How TF would you know?
How. Regime change?
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Perhaps you could have a word with the junta's suppliers, China, Russia, Belarus, Iran and Serbia.
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Meanwhile, the EU and US have banned the supply of arms and any dual use goods, restricted export of comms and monitoring systems that could be used for internal suppression and suspended all and training and cooperation. And sanctions on dozens of individuals and organisations include asset freezes and bans on listed people from entering or transiting through US and EU territory.
I sure hope the Fonterra sales team is flogging our milk powder outside China.