Open mike 28/11/2010

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  1. just saying 1

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10690526

    Gee I didn’t think I’d be the first to post this, what with Matt taking issue with a post in the Standard.

    Quote:
    “This brings me to whether there’s a space for a new party if Labour continues to drift. This idea was surprisingly raised on the Labour Party-aligned Standard Blog during the Mana by-election. It suggested I’d been in cahoots with Hone Harawira and Sue Bradford in planning such a project.”

    I’m sure the “Labour-aligned” crack will get a bit of a rise from some around here.
    Anyway, he goes on to say that he hadn’t met with Bradford and Harawira and hadn’t been planning a new left party, however, he definitely wouldn’t be averse….

    Quote
    “Without such a presence outside, Labour tends to swing to the right to compete with National for the so-called centre vote. Labour’s been doing that for the past two and a half decades and trying to be National-lite won’t get Phil Goff into government next year”.

    Apart from being morally wrong, Labour’s continuing to woo the well-to-do, and turn up its nose at those who struggle is a glaring tactical mistake IMO. That it is apparently continuing on this path (just this week it again proudly endorsed the first ACT government (Cunliffe’s speech)) shows how woefully out of touch the leadership continues to be. As many have quipped lately ‘you’d think they wanted to lose in 2011’.
    Anyway Matt gives the following warning, though I’m pretty much certain the dye is already cast.

    Quote:
    “In the Mana campaign I promoted traditional Labour policies to working class people who loved them. Fortunately for you, enough of them went back to you last Saturday to save your party from humiliation.

    Next year they may not. That’s the real lesson of the Mana by-election”.

    • jcuknz 1.1

      The left talks of solidarity in its unions but in politics it seems to be always hiving off factions … new labour, alliance, greens, Maori, even ACT though that seems to have gone a fair way away. and narry a nice word spoken between them?. While National seems to have maintained its solidarity in contrast.

      • just saying 1.1.1

        I’ve noticed that.
        But maybe enduring what has effectively been a ‘grand coalition of the right’ government, in a rece/depre/ession, for two f#*king years, and looking down the barrel of three more, whilst our species faces its most important, and probably fatal crisis. Maybe something like that might galvanise the left.

        Maybe not.

        • ZeeBop 1.1.1.1

          Rubbish. The left just needs to do the deep analysis that the right does. The right does not hit the message everytime by mistake, they have panels, they do surveys to find what hits people’s bucket.

          Everyone knows that without regulation and rules you will get deaths (29 in Pike River), so why isn’t
          the left on the same page, pushing back the lies of the right that no regulation is really dopey, that free markets
          don’t mean no government rather free markets can’t come about without good regulation governance!

          The press, media mogals, destroyed the world economy once before, the great depression. Now they
          are doing it again. Read your history.

        • pollywog 1.1.1.2

          i don’t think global warming is going to be an issue at the election nor will it galvanise the left, it’ll be an anomalous distraction, a political football to kick around for rhetorics sake.

          campaigning will be all about the economy and showing ‘smile and wave’ up for the psychopath he appears to be, not the genius self made millionaire kid who made good and has a grand scheme for pulling us out of the financial mire we’re bogged down in.

          everyone knows the simple answer to our woes is to tax the rich more, but seeing as how the dipton dipshit just gave the fatcats a massive taxcut amounting to a rise in salary while raising the poor tax by way of GST and bailing out his investor mates who gamed Sth Canterbury Finance for all it’s worth means it just ain’t gonna happen

          and the fact that team red accepted the raise with nary a protest or an offer to stick the tax switch up their blue arses shows which side of the bread they’re buttered on too

          even forcing another brown stooge on us thru a by election caused by one of their own who couldn’t be arsed playing second fiddle anymore shows how little they care about constituents and more about rewarding the eatarse party faithful and jumping ship when the opportunity presents itself.

          i’m predicting massive voter apathy just like Mana where not voting is a tick against both major parties. if there were a real deal left party who could mobilise the young and disaffected without coming off like a bunch of vegan stoner hippies they’d go along way to restoring some faith in democracy and freedom of choice.

          • Bill 1.1.1.2.1

            The left mimics the organisational structures of the right, ie it employs hierarchy. And hierarchy is a structure for authoritarianism. And insofar as authoritarians want control, the left will endlessly split into factions defending and propagating their own turf.

            The right doesn’t have the same problem because their over aching commonality is over preserving the ‘here and now’ and the right to get ahead at the expense of others while excusing that state of affairs.

            Meanwhile, most of the left is a mess of contending prescriptions to the ‘here and now’, all predicated on establishing some form of elite control. If and when the left gets to a point where it unabashedly embraces basic tenets of democracy and doesn’t forego substantive democracy in the name of ‘pragmatism’ (read: elites are good and ‘the great unwashed’ need our guidance, not theirs), then we might get somewhere.

          • ZeeBop 1.1.1.2.2

            I disagree. Labour will win in a landslide if they want to win. I think most people believe it
            won’t matter who gets in, but just on the off chance Labour might actually change something
            because they’ve had two years of completely stupid and even businesses and farmers can
            see that rewarding weeds isn’t good for their consumers or the integrity of the economy.
            On the day that Pike River exploded! National made it illegal for union representatives
            to go into a workplace to discuss safety. That is a breach of so many human rights
            principles that National basically in one fell swoop trashed our democracy. We are
            all now slaves of the state, our lives are to be thrown away at the leisure of parliament.

          • just saying 1.1.1.2.3

            I was talking about the whole cocktail of crises: capitalism and social structures breaking down, the end of cheap oil, massive, continuing, pollution and ecodestruction, peak soil, climate change, an ever more powerful burgeoning police state ready to keep you and me away from those gated communities when we get angry or hungry in a few years time……..(and a whole lot more that doesn’t bear thinking about).

            But like you, I doubt any of them will get much of a mention in the election campaign. I’m also predicting mass apathy – unless those getting shat on worst come to believe there is an alternative to the ‘grand coaltion of the right’, at the same time, they they get to feeling more angry than ashamed.

        • KJT 1.1.1.3

          We have had a grand coalition of the lunatic right since 1984.

          If Labour got of their collective asses and decided to stand for what Labour should stand for then they may have a pleasant surprise. If they continue to drift along as NACT light then they will never be taken seriously.

          • Jim Nald 1.1.1.3.1

            More claptrap re the first comment at 1.
            Actually, it is the Right who are breaking up. But in their typical style of showing a different face, they are portraying like they are all in agreement. National has been working to hide its factions and internal dissatifaction from public view. After 9 years on the opposition benches, dead rats and anything distasteful are now being swallowed at all cost just to be in power. Just to enjoy the ministerial privileges and advance their private interests. Well, even the Zombie Brash now has to crawl out of his tomb and begin railing against Key:

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4399155/Brash-takes-aim-at-Key-in-race-speech/

            The country is fast going down the toilet because of bad decisions of the past two years and NACTS have only one way to deal with the challenges by smiling and waving away the real issues.

            • Herodotus 1.1.1.3.1.1

              No Ji,m we are not progressing because of a Lab govt 5 years ago was devoid of any ideas and broken dreams remember GDP and OCED rankings?
              The economy they based their legacy on was false. Housing boom (When we cannot even build houses that can cope with mositure), GDP growth based on part by immigration, We cannot grow our own economy without the need to import a pop to sustain growth or consumerism, and a rising commodity market predom Dairy.
              Look Lab have appologised for the mistakes from Helens time, a new direction as espoused by David, no detail. And how many ivy league are part of the Lab makeup?
              http://cunliffe.co.nz/?p=582
              On a side issue why does what was Rodney DC still get charged for toll calls to connect to the rest of the super city. Why is there no pressure being placed on Telecom to unit the city with toll free?

              • Colonial Viper

                Herod. no detail? Possibly a fair criticism but the broad strokes are there, in Cunliffe’s words. His speech detailed his thinking and the options and priorities being considered. He is clear on the failures of the past as well as current in-progress failures. Further its still 6-12 months from an election, there is some need to keep the powder dry.

                So I agree with you that Cunliffe needs to flesh out the bones but I would suggest that is what is actually happening behind closed doors now.

                On the other hand, if I were to reflect your same criticisms on our *Government*: where are their new and innovative ideas in power? What is their direction for the economy of NZ in power? Can they even see the dreams breaking in front of NZ’ers eyes while they are in power?

                From this perspective LAB is preparing to make a big break from the pre-GFC neo con past, while NAT is scouring over Richardson and Brash to see what ideas from the 1990’s they can resurrect.

                I’m going to hold LAB to account and I am certain you will too.

              • Jim Nald

                More rubbish.
                I’ll address one just before I step out to enjoy the sun that I will see a lot more of when I close the gap with Oz by buying a one-way ticket.
                The nation’s leaky homes were built thanks to Nats’ hands in lowering building standards and deregulating.
                I had my gripes with Labour circa mid-2000s for not putting together a fairer and speedier package for the blameless home owners and that’s a comment for another time.

                • Herodotus

                  In 2002 Helen Clark commented re Herald beatup story re leaky homes. So 8 years ago both parties thought there was nothing wrong with the building code. If it was sooo obvious why did nothing happen except protecting BRANZ from liability??
                  And CV my issue re David is the lack of time and detail we the voter will be given to critically analysis this new approach. The media will base the election like a boxing fight the title holder wearing blue trucks in the right undefeated Smashing Johnboy Keeeeey and in the left wearing red trucks with blue trim the challanger in his first title fight Phil where is he Goff. No time for addressing such minor issues as policy and detail. Great song by Living Colour summing up the problem

                • KJT

                  How were the home owners blameless. They were cheering on the cheaper houses with deregulation and the ability to pay cheap unqualified builders too.

                  Don’t tell me they did not know that cost cutting always resultts in shoddier products.

                  I lost quotes many time because I quoted for doing a house that did not leak.
                  The same people are moaning about regulation of builders increasing prices now.

                  • just saying

                    http://www.tumeke.blogspot.com/

                    The left are on a roll this fine Sunday. The above from Bomber at Tumeke deserves a thread of its own but it fits best with this conversation. Fine writing and well worth reading in full, but I’ll leave a lttle taste here.

                    Quote: “The next election will be down to the wire as New Zealanders wake up to the privatization agenda National will propose and a Social Equity Party with the welfare of beneficiaries and those on Minimum wage foremost on their agenda would be better placed than at any other time in our political history to force real concessions from major political parties to ensure the concerns of those on the bottom are foremost in decision making.

                    A new party on the left with social equity at its philosophical heart focused on making sure any changes benefit those on the bottom most would need to tap into every beneficiary support group and every minimum wage organisation to push myopically for the party vote. There are 338 000 beneficiaries in NZ, there were 2 376 480 votes in the 2008 election, those beneficiaries represent 14% of that vote, a new Political Party needs only 5% to gain representation, add those on minimum wage and a clearly defined Party with the concerns of beneficiaries and those on minimum wage foremost at their political manifesto can pass the 5% threshold, it’s as simple as that.”

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    They were cheering on the cheaper houses with deregulation and the ability to pay cheap unqualified builders too.

                    They still are. My nephew has the same problem – puts in quotes at bare minimum and doesn’t get them. Gets undercut by huge amounts which, quite simply, the people doing the job can’t possibly be making any money on. They go in, cut corners and run.

                    I heard of job sites that have been shut down by OSH (Leaving the people without a place to live but considering that they accepted a quote that was half what the builder could do it for… Hint: If the builder gives a quote and then someone cuts it down by 50% don’t assume that the builder is ripping you off), fences that topple over in a mild wind and MDF being used as joists. People don’t seem to be able to learn and actually think that the amount that they want to pay is the amount it costs. Hell, I’ve even heard that people think that builders are creaming it.

              • Jum

                This is happening in Franklin as well – Toll calls to an Auckland they did not wish to join. Disgraceful.

                As for Helen Clark – it was a bolstering time. It gave people time to regain some health; lower health costs, etc. gone now. Bringing back the railway into national ownership was not a mistake. The mistake is allowing Joyce to play god with it.

                • Herodotus

                  http://www.breastcancer.org.nz/reconstruction.htm
                  Not for all lower health costs. The cost to reconstruct is at least the same if not more for Cancer affected patients than for Pam Andersons of this world.
                  The phone issue is one many are not aware of as the majority live within the telecom zone of $0 cost, perhaps more of us affected folk should follow the line of making Len aware of this issue.
                  Also thanks to the unbundling, to get a new line takes 4+ weeks thanks to One World, reverting back to the 70\’s when you need to know someone to get your phone/internet connected.
                  A call to NZFP- Re Cunliffs speach – why would you tax inflows, I thought we would want to promote investment into the country and increase the difficulty of repatriation the $$. So if use a Tobin system, tax outflows or is there some advantage in Davids suggestion, as taxing inflows screws the exporter as well??

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    Taxing inflows will decrease the demand for NZ$ dropping its value on the market.

                    • Herodotus

                      Taxing outflows, means that good overseas investment is rewarded when $$ are repatriated, exporters are not disadvantaged, they send goods offshore and $$ return no tax, reward for + behaviour. Importers are taxed, $ go out goods return. Also overseas investment is would be like Chine, where you can invest here yet there is a disensentive to take profits, and on a wee personnel side Banks would take less back to Aussie as the tax would reduce cash dividends, only watch out for transfer pricing from corp H/O.
                      Also tourists can spend her and are penalised when they cashin unused kiwi$ and holidaying overseas has a wee additional cost.

            • millsy 1.1.1.3.1.2

              Ah yes, just when you thought it was safe…

              Brash flits round the countryside spouting the same crap he has been spouting for the past 20 years, about wanting to throw the poor, the sick the young and the elderly under a bus so we can win some kind of pissing contest with Australia.

              With a gold plated pension topped up by luractive consultancy, he doesnt have to worry about making ends meet when he retires.

              • ZeeBop

                Brash, like Key, even Goff, can’t be talking any leftwing shit and cause huge problems
                for the UK, US, right who will get even.

                Brash isn’t criticising Key out of revenge, its money. Brash very much worries that
                there won’t be any lucrative consultancy or praliamentary pensions if ther kitty is empty.

                And when the US is printing money, when the reserve currency of the world, is
                printing money, and soverign funds like Ireland, Spain, Greece, Italy, and yes
                NZ private sector, all have huge debts, you have top wonder why he wouldn’t
                be speaking out. Like everyone on the right squeeze to be silent from their
                right, and wanted to introduce leftwing policy on their left to recenter the
                economy but can’t be seen doing it, or wanting it.

              • KJT

                Brash. NZ’s highest paid welfare beneficiary.

  2. nilats 2

    GW is dead, it ain’t happening as Jones @ CRU said himself there is no STATISTICAL warming over the past 15 years at 95% CL. Cancun is a forum to discuss wealth re distribution. Wll I say F%@k You UN/IPCC, I already support too many people already, without having to support poor ole sand dweller in Africa.

  3. I have always believed and still do that we imprison to many people.However I draw the line at crimes of violence and murder. Violent people must be put away for some time not only to pay for their crime but to protect other people. I was concerned that murderer Bruce Emery recieved only four years for the brutal murder of Pihema Cameron. Emery caught this young boy tagging so he went into his house fouind a knife then chased this silly boy caught him and stabbed him to death . He then went home washed the knife and sat down with his family to watch TV

    • continued from above.
      this is the classical behavour of a pathological killer.One can only wonder what the outcome would have been if the roles had been reversed and a Brown lad had murderer a white man.?
      What makes this case even worse is that the self appointed spokeperson on morals the chairperson of the misnamed Sensible Sentencing Trust believes this is a good decision. Worse still he believes this murderer should never have been sentenced. Its obvious that McVicar and his cronies believe that if a person is white and a church goer they should not be charged with cfrimes of violence. These obsene remarks by McVicar
      show just what a nasty dispicable man he is.

      • Vicky32 3.1.1

        I absolutely agree with you, pink postman… I am shocked that Emery got such a short sentence, and that it’s all so blatant!
        They can’t even be bothered hiding the inequality and elitism of the sentencing…
        Deb

      • Anne 3.1.2

        Sensible Sentencing Trust is a depository for psychopaths. The SST types have a neanderthal look about them too. Narrow foreheads… eyes close together… and prominent jaws. Have a good look at McVicar next time he’s on TV.

  4. Sanctuary 4

    A post from a reader called “DennisP” in this guardian.co.uk story – http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/27/new-zealand-mine-tragedy-safety – has been more informative to me (along with googling some of his key technical words) in 600 or so words about aspects of mining technology than a week of wall to wall coverage of Pike River in the New Zealand media.

    Why has our media not bothered to explain what sort of mine Pike River is? Why has it not bothered to explain how the mining process worked at Pike River, and how this can lead to an explosion? Why have they not bothered to try and put Pike River, it’s mining method and this disaster into some sort of global context? They’ve had plenty of time to tell us.

    Instead of trying to give New Zealanders an understanding of coal mining, something that might provoke the higher level though processes in their audience and allow us to contextualise what has occurred, our miserable media have yet again revealed what they really think of their audience by feeding us a ghastly drivel of low order, human interest disaster porn, designed to elicit knee jerk emotion and re-traumatise rather than educate.

    • Colonial Viper 4.1

      Yeah, keep ’em in the dark and feed them…oh you know the rest.

      Shortland Street is NOT supposed to start at 6pm.

    • pollywog 4.2

      good lookin out sanctuary !

      captcha : escape

    • Bill 4.3

      Thanks for providing the link to that bloody excellent first hand explanation/description of mining environments Sanctuary. The same person has more comments offering further insights to mining environments through the link below. Worth the read. Scroll down his comments to the ones titled “Pike River:The Miners Worst Fears”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user-comments/DennisP

    • Swampy 4.5

      Why don’t you wait like everyone else until the enquiry has finished?

      What sort of mine is it? It is a coal mine. We don’t need a commentator from halfway around the world grinding his own axe to tell us that.

      • Colonial Viper 4.5.1

        His axe is a damn sight sharper than many I’ve seen on this issue so far. He conveyed a lot of valuable information in his comments. The fact that he has industry expertise but independent of the situation in NZ also has considerable value.

  5. joe90 5

    The Mudflats is blogging America By Heart… .

  6. Bill 6

    One hundred thousand Irish protest against the bank bailouts. That’s from a population base that’s about the same as NZ.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/27/ireland-bailout-dublin-protest

  7. just saying 7

    http://liberation.typepad.com/

    Bryce Edwards’ analysis of a nascent rift in the National Party – Brash speaks out in OrewaII

    My God this guy is fast (Edwards not Brash)

    • Bill 7.1

      But the Nat’s are neither moderate nor centrist. They are pushing as far as they can with one eye obviously on the next election, after which they can rip shit and bust.

      Could be wrong, but I see Brash’s ‘criticism’ as being feigned in an attempt to sucker any potential concern of the KO policies the Nats will inevitably run out should they win the coming election.

      • ianmac 7.1.1

        There was recent speculation of a far right party being formed to take up the slack caused by ACT being in trouble. Brash was mentioned in this regard. However it would suit National to have such a group because they would carry out the function that National wants, while Nat appears to keep the centre. Keeps John’s hand clean you see.

    • Draco T Bastard 7.2

      Don Brash’s return to Orewa – opening up divisions in National
      Actual link

      Hmmm, a lot of words to say that Brash is a little upset about the direction and the lack thereof that Jonkey is taking the National party. Of course, if Brash was true to his beliefs he’d be joining the Act party.

    • Gotham 7.3

      Edwards also hitting out at the Greens again too – though this article is mostly just a paraphrase of the Weekend Dom magazine piece from last weekend:

      http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2010/11/the-beige-party-formerly-known-as-the-green-party.html

      (I do declare I am a Green member, but even I agree with about 30% of Edward’s comments. That makes me a bit sad…)

      So…the maybe/maybe not formation of a ‘new left party’ because Labour’s just not getting it; Brash positioning himself as ‘critic and conscience’ of the Nats, because they’re just not getting it; and the ‘reinvention’ of the Greens because, well, seems they aren’t getting it either.

      Uninspired, much?

  8. Jum 8

    When is this going to be out on real physical paper? You have to shove information under people’s noses before they begin to understand what is happening. If the Left don’t do this, they will lose the next election. If they lose the next election, as far as I am concerned, it is because they wanted our assets to be sold to private interests. They are not pulling out all the stops; they are not meeting at the places people go; instead they’re having high end discussions at places like the University Business School that had Bernard Hickey and Selwyn Pellett talking about an economic rethink, but sounding sadly more like an e-loop of Key (so much for the epiphany Bernard). Then there’s David Cunliffe who has learned nothing about the damage any sort of private ownership of monopoly community good assets brings. How can he sew up all the loopholes that the pond-scum of Wealth Street spends OUR money on opening up for exploitation? Borrowing by government or council must be cheaper than giving private interests our assets to tear apart. There are no savings in contracting (privatising) out.

    And then there’s the little problem of what a Left under McCarten will bring; will it be equality or will it be the same crap NActMU have been dishing out to women. The National Council of Women advocated for women (although it is certainly full of NAct supporters) and was removed from the Charitable Funding membership, along with sensible sentencing. The two don’t compare. I was told by ? that the NCW removed the right of Maori women to have the moko. Is the Maori Party taking out Utu? Mickey Savage took me to task about the work Labour had been doing for women, but why tell me? Tell the women who voted for NActMU.
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    This blog could go one step further; why are they afraid to foot it on the streets and hand out info sheets telling the real stories about the gummint the extreme right media won’t print? Time is running out guys.
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    If you won’t do it maybe a new Women’s Party will…

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      Money and networks of people ready to hand copies out, at a guess. Plus The Standard’s admins and writers already have their hands full as it is.

      Also consider that most people on the streets these days look at you like you are a leper if you try and hand them anything. They consider that they are too posh for it. I mean, getting $14.75/hr means you’ve lifted yourself above the rest of the minimum wage scum through your own hard work and initiative, time to vote NACT. Seriously thats the way some people seem to think.

      In essence I agree with you though, The Standard needs to be way more visible, known and in peoples’ faces.

      I suggest twice weekly You Tube segments to begin with, 10 mins long each, 6 mins covering the most interesting news, posts and comments, 4 mins for an exclusive interview with someone sensible.

      Advertising opportunities galore, too.

      Don’t forget the Facebook page, etc.

      • Vicky32 8.1.1

        Hey, if someone would produce a print version, I’d help hand it out! (I am unemployed, and have nowt else to do – at least, I’d would be doing something useful!)
        Deb

        • Bill 8.1.1.1

          Could be produced and sold on a similar basis to the Big Issue. That was (is?) a newspaper about and by the homeless that homeless people could buy an initial bundle of from money loaned from ‘Big Issue’. They sold (as independent sub contractors responsible for dealing with tax etc) at a cover price that was (I think) double what they paid. They could always rip the 20 pounds up front they received, or use the 40 pounds to pay back the 20 and reinvest some of the remaining 20 to buy more copy to sell and either declare the earnings or not as they saw fit in view of their legal responsibilities.

          But logistics for ‘The Standard’? Can the cost of layout/design and printing and issues of editorialising plus a fairly small market be overcome?

          I’d sell it.

      • M 8.1.2

        Excellent CV, re YT segments, maybe it could be under a banner like the Workers’ Channel? like the Fkn News has all its video posts.

        LOL, the $14.75/hour rate lifting a person above the minimum wage scum and time to vote NACT – poor fools, a small taste of sugar and they fall into line.

  9. john 9

    What is the outlook for NeoLiberal America, the country our ACT-nat government thinks is the way to go whose sad road they want us to copy!? Refer link:

    http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/BreakingNews.html

  10. Draco T Bastard 10

    Will Europe Face Defaults?

    So why not bite the bullet and just get it over with? Because the European banking system would not survive even the best-case restructuring scenario. As a consequence we are fated to witness several years of difficult economic adjustment while everyone pretends that these countries, under the right policies, can work their way through their debt burdens. What will really be happening is that European banks will aggressively rebuild their capital bases, with the unwilling help of the poor household sector, until they are sufficiently well capitalized to begin taking the write-offs. Only then will we recognize that some countries cannot repay their debts.

    Sounds about right – the poor bailing out the rich so that the rich can remain rich rather than lose from the risks that they took.

    Capitalism – pure theft.

  11. North 11

    Who the hell named Minister of Justice Simon Power the politician of the year ? Some/one/thing called TransTasman Roll apparently.

    Imagine my shock when I read of that distinction, having earlier today read that a spokesperson for Simon Power is quoted by NZPA as saying there will be no reopening of the Crewe murders case because it is “the police who determine guilt or innocence…..”……..???

    Presumably this spokesperson reflects Power’s actual position. Is Power incompetent or what ? Peter Williams QC called him “the boy minister……” when he presumed to lecture the Chief Justice on the separation of powers. I agree with Williams. He’s an inmcompetent wee laddie. Politician of the year bah !

    • Jum 11.1

      North – just another rightie media. They were disappointed Key didn’t get picked. This is a sick up group and they regularly beat up on Labour. They’re very keen on sell offs of anything New Zealand owns.

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    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    15 hours ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    19 hours ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    20 hours ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    20 hours ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    23 hours ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    1 day ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    3 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    3 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    3 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    4 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    5 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    7 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago

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