Positions on tax cuts: a summary

Written By: - Date published: 3:53 pm, February 13th, 2008 - 32 comments
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taxcuts_h-726000.jpgBoth the Labour-led government and National have promised income tax cuts to follow the government’s family and business tax cuts. Neither has given any details except there will be multi-year programmes of cuts.

The point of difference is that Labour has four conditions that their cuts will satisfy while National rejects those conditions.

So in summary, their positons are this:

Government: Let’s cut taxes in a way that doesn’t increase inequality

National: Let’s not

Government: Let’s cut taxes in a way that doesn’t increase inflation

National: Let’s not

Government: Let’s cut taxes in a way that doesn’t mean public services have to be cut

National: Let’s not

Government: Let’s not borrow for tax cuts

National: Let’s

32 comments on “Positions on tax cuts: a summary”

  1. Daveo 1

    Good summary. I’d rather see the surplus go to something like buying back our assets or reversing the ’91 benefit cuts but if it’s gonna happen then it’s better for everyone that Cullen’s in charge. I’d hate to see what tax cuts would look like under Key. Probably a lot like this:
    http://news.google.co.nz/news/url?sa=t&ct=nz/1-0&fp=47b2bc6e5cb0bf70&ei=YV6yR82TCqiGqwOvh8CcDQ&url=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/story.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10491740&cid=1131722858)

  2. The Double Standard 2

    Gee Steve, you must have worked long and hard on that post. How about this take:

    Government: Let’s cut taxes in a way that shafts the rich pricks.

    National: Let’s not. After all they already pay most of the tax

    Government: Let’s cut taxes in a way that doesn’t increase inflation, after all, we have already cranked inflation up really high with massive increase in government spending.

    National: Lets look critically at govt spending, and let the reserve bank manage inflation (BTW, look what happened to interest rates in Aus after they elected Labor)

    Government: Let’s create fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the National bogeymen

    National: Let’s keep important services

    Government: Let’s not borrow for tax cuts, but instead use PPP’s that we publically ruled out a few months ago for infrastructure

    National: Let’s borrow where sensible to fund long lived assets.

  3. Daveo 3

    TDS- we all know you’re a troll employed by the Nat research unit – all you do is run attack lines from your desk in Parliament. Try something new.

  4. The Double Standard 4

    Daveo – yawn. Are you keeping Mr Porton company today? It just makes you look like his sycophant.

    Since you seem so certain perhaps you can post some proof?

  5. Hey TDS – I notice you’ve really stepped it up today bro. Um, when did parliament open again?

    Actually come to think of it you stopped commenting the whole time the unit was on holiday. What a sweet gig – d’ya reckon they’d pay me to comment on the standard too?

  6. Steve Pierson 6

    Daveo. Agree with what you say. especailly on asset buyback. Would be great to see someone, maybe the Greens, make this a election policy.

    Double. I prefer my version. Punchier.

  7. Daveo 7

    Hate to sound like sod’s sycohpant TDS, but I think he got you there. Sorry bro, back to making coffee for Kevin Taylor I guess. If you’re lucky he might even let you work in the archives for a bit.

    Tell me, do they still have John Ansell working out of a cupboard?

  8. The Double Standard 8

    Its easy to be punchier when you are being economical with the truth.

  9. BeShakey 9

    DS – In tresponse to

    Your first claim: how is ensuring that any tax cuts don’t increase inequality ‘shafting the rich pricks’? Unless of course they get their shits and giggles from laughing at poor people.

    Second claim: is National going to slash government spending and if so, where? Do booming local and international markets have any impact on inflation? Does low unemployment (and if so, what policies do you think should be introduced to force people out of their jobs?).

    Third claim: is this a denial that National has a history of cutting public services? Or is it simply that they won’t do it this time? And if that’s the case, exactly where are they getting the money for tax cuts from, when they’ve said it’s impossible to meet the four tests and give tax cuts?

    Last claim: How did tax cuts get defined as infrastructure, and a long term asset? More than a little disingenious to try to equate borrowing to fund consumption with borrowing to fund infrastructure development.

  10. Steve Pierson 10

    Double. What are “imporant services”? What would you cut? Detail please not “we’ll get rid of waste” anyone can say that.

  11. mike 11

    I’d say TDS’s response was fairly accurate. Steve’s post implies National would do the opposite to the conditions which is rubbish.
    The four “tests “are a con job to make it appear Cullen tax policy is considered.
    Its an election year bribe pure and simple and the NZ public are not as silly as believe otherwise.
    Also Steve WFF is wefare not tax relief.

  12. The Double Standard 12

    More than a little disingenious to try to equate borrowing to fund consumption with borrowing to fund infrastructure development.

    Except when Cullen does it?

    Steve – I don’t know any more about the Nats policies than I read in the paper. However I do know double standards when I see them here. I see Helen is promising to tip half a billion or so into the economy. I’m wondering how that will affect inflation?

    BeShakey – define inequality as Cullen sees it then.

  13. Daveo 13

    I don’t know any more about the Nats policies than I read in the paper.

    That’s crap – you work for the National party and they’ve got you on attack troll duty.

  14. I don’t know any more about the Nats policies than I read in the paper.

    Come on bro, you can do better than that.

  15. Daveo 16

    Ha! Looks like Sod’s my sycohpant now. Hey TDS I’m off to Parliament soon for a meeting – care to catch up for a coffee?

  16. Daveo 17

    Sod- we both said ‘Ha!’. This is getting creepy.

  17. Steve Pierson 18

    Double. that may well be, but I want to know: If you support a party that would keep only “importnat services” what do you think should be cut?

  18. Benodic 19

    Steve, Steve, don’t be silly. They’ve already answered you over at http://www.wastewatch.co.nz

    Oh, that’s right, they haven’t.

  19. BeShakey 20

    “Except when Cullen does it?”

    Is that the standard line now? How can we Key’s love in with Tame Iti when it was OK when Cullen did it? It’s actually kind of hard to respond to because it’s such a staggeringly stupid comment.

    “BeShakey – define inequality as Cullen sees it then.”

    Unlike you, I can’t just wander down the hallway to ask him. Why don’t you propose a PQ on it?

  20. outofbed 21

    hey Rob do you remember when DPF used to post as Santa claws
    some of the words used and terminology was so similar to the bog posts it had to be the same person?
    Well then was change to TDS
    Gee it all makes perfect sense now It was the “unit’ the whole time

  21. outofbed 22

    whoops “Well then was a change to TDS”

  22. The Double Standard 23

    “importnat services’

    Freudian slip there Steve? After all, Cullen is so committed to tax cuts that Helen needs to keep back-stopping him in the media

    “But Miss Clark said today that Dr Cullen’s preconditions would not make cutting taxes impossible.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4396881a6160.html

    And Daveo, you and Michael performing a circle-j*** doesn’t constitute proof. Why don’t you admit you are just making stuff up as a lame attempt to divert attention from Cullen’s bankrupt ‘preconditions’.

  23. Bro, you’re not fooling anyone. Here’s the thread where you really gave yourself away:

    Style over substance: no real answers

    I’m kinda flattered that a pro like yourself his the time to dally with little ol’ me though…

    Oh and you never answered Daveo – do they still keep John in that little cupboard of an office?

  24. Dean 25

    Very well done spin job, but it just doesn’t stack up.

    Government: Let’s cut taxes because we’re behind in the polls and it’s election year.

    I mean, how else could you explain it, given Cullen having previously stated “We just don’t believe in tax cuts – it’s against our fundamental philosophy – after all we are socialists and proud of it”.

    Or Clark’s clanger – “Tax cuts are a path to inequality. They are the promises of a visionless and intellectually bankrupt people”.

    You can argue that these quotes are taken out of context and that conditions are more favourable now than then and more readily facilitate tax cuts, but you’d be dead wrong there, too. We’re facing an operating defecit.

    And I’d love to know how Labour’s proposed tax cuts won’t increase inflation, but then I suspect it’s hard to answer meaningfully when you ask people who’d call Working For Families a “tax credit” instead of what it really is – welfare. Either that’s how utterly confused Labour supporters are on this issue, or they swallow the spin so readily they can’t see the difference.

  25. Billy 26

    Steve,

    Were I you, I’d step back a bit. You’re all breathless sychopancy and cheerleading wah-wah. Give Irishbill have more head. He’s got a nice healthy cynical take on things. You sound like you may very well be Clayton Cosgrove’s nephew, or something equally unimposing.

  26. Dean 27

    Billy,

    Can you get banned, please?

    That’d be great.

  27. Yeah Billy, he could be a struggling rightie living out his fantasies of intellectual superiority by posting snide comments on a left-wing blog. Oh no, hold on. That’s you. Jeez I always get folk mixed up…

  28. The Prophet 29

    Yeah Billy!

    You’d never hear Sod posting snide comments.

    He’s got the moral high ground on this one.

    Dean, meanwhile, just wants everyone he disagrees with banned.

    The standard, at the Standard, is very sub standard since they brought out the banning stick.

    Power goes to some peoples heads.

  29. Billy 30

    When you make a snide post, you should expect snide comments.

  30. Dull, Billy, very dull…

  31. Dean 32

    “Dean, meanwhile, just wants everyone he disagrees with banned.”

    Not everyone, but I guess misrepresenting people is something you’d like to consider a forte. Just the trolls who like to wheel out the personal insults. But if you’d like to be included I won’t be losing any sleep.

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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago

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