web analytics

Ririnui: Ministerial Services approved credit card use

Written By: - Date published: 6:53 pm, June 11th, 2010 - 25 comments
Categories: accountability - Tags: , , , , ,

Mita Ririnui has gone on the record on RNZ’s Checkpoint tonight insisting Ministerial Services advised him personal spending on ministerial credit card was ok as long as it was reimbursed. Of course that doesn’t let people like Hide, English and Heatley off the hook, because they only paid back their personal misuses of ministerial allowances after they were found out – and long after the fact – but it has significant implications for the Labour MPs currently being defamed by the msm.

Perhaps our valiant msm journalists could look into this a bit more deeply because if Ministerial Services was giving that advice then there are a few heads that should go on the block and quite a few apologies due. Or perhaps John Key might like to investigate this matter further considering he’s such a big fan of <cough> transparency and <cough> accountability.

Will the msm bother to dig deeper on this one, or is truth not allowed to get in the way of a good media porn scandal?

25 comments on “Ririnui: Ministerial Services approved credit card use ”

  1. marsman 1

    Truth is not allowed to get in the way of National Party Spin,carried out as usual by the MSM

  2. ianmac 2

    If Mr Ririnui was getting it wrong, wouldn’t Ministerial Services have hauled him up smartly? It is also possible that since he was given an oral run down by the Min Services person he might or might not be able to prove that his understanding was correct. No paper trail.
    Jim Anderton said this morning that he ran the same system, charge and repay by cheque as soon as he arrived back. Not once was he questioned about the method used. I wouldn’t expect that anyone will be interested even if their method was found to be OK. The damage has been done by the MSM on behalf of Nact.

  3. ianmac 3

    Will any one bother to check out Chris Carter’s version of the limousine cars hired on his behalf at the behest of Australia and approved by Ministerial Services in NZ? Doubt it!

  4. Herodotus 4

    “In a memo in March 2006 Ministerial Services assistant general manager Richard McDonald told ministers’ secretaries that although most accounts were fine “there is a single issue which has come up again use of credit cards for personal expenditure’.
    “The policy is unarguable! Departmental credit cards are NOT to be used for personal expenditure regardless that the user pays back the sum after the fact.’
    from credit card records … 22.1.2.1.1 So how does this statement reconcil with this posting (I take it to be correct). Mita Ririnui I hope has the name of who gave this advice, you try and get advice from IRD easy to get phone info but that is not the safety net for any tax actions as a defense. It appears that there are so many spin drs now in operation to undo the small amount of damage that this has caused. Is now that the little insect is growing all the time into a monster that will take its pound of fleash and as no one can control it could bite the hand that feeds it. (Be warned) Why cannot anyone say I was wrong and move on. From what I have read there is nothing that merrits of a scandle so far released, a few $ that those on the other side can point the finger at, but for me attacking these cases makes those pointing the finger worse of than the accused. Just like mayor Brown the mud slung at him makes Banks look all the worse and his supporters. By not facing up and using lackies to attempt to undo the damage just makes those on the receiving end magnify any guilt, that as I said before wasn’t there. So Mita defending herself has made herself now a target. Why she has nothing to be worried about.
    So with this non revulation I hope thatthere is now realised the need for really good policy to be had for all to review, otherewise Lab will be the subject of The Hollow Men Vii.

  5. Scott 5

    Ririnui’s claims are implausible. The rules are black and white, and ministers apparently sign a form when they get their card acknowledging the card is not for personal use.

    • Mac1 5.1

      Scott, can’t let you get away with that.

      You say the rules are black and white and then you make another statement with the huge qualifier “apparently’ which means you don’t know and therefore things are not black and white….

      You may well be (underlined) right but your statements don’t justify your conclusion.

      Remember, though, that Anderton on Nine to Noon today said he had never received such advice, but regularly practised the contrary with no criticism from parliamentary services.

      • Scott 5.1.1

        I said “apparently” because I haven’t seen the form myself, but someone from Ministerial Services on the radio last night said signing such a form was a requirement before using the card.

        I think what we have here is a bunch of people caught out now trying to find someone else to blame for their stupidity. I’d take the word of an official over that of a politician any day – regardless of the politician’s party.

        • Carol 5.1.1.1

          Is it possible that, while the letter of the rules says, no personal use of ministerial cards, verbally some were given a little more leeway? I think I’ve worked places where something similar happens. So, maybe someone said, as long as you pay back any personal use of the card ASAP, no questions will be asked.

  6. Craig Glen Eden 6

    What I cant believe in all of this is Keys attempted attack of Goff.

    If you didnt know you would think that National ministers have not used their credit cards for personal use,which they have and what’s more some have not payed it back.

    Labours guilty have paid it back but some how their spending is the focus of the MSM.

    So Key attacks Goff for no taking no action when he is currently out of the country and his staff have indicated that action is likely and yet Key has taken no action and we have his ministers continuing to use the cards despite be told that they shouldn’t.

    Its amazing how effective free wine is, hell I knew that the political journos spend a lot of late nights drinking with ministers who ever is in Government but gee what else is going on with the MSM.

  7. barry 7

    Where the credit card is used to pay a bill, and only part of the bill is for private matters (e.g. mini bars or movies in tax payer funded hotel accommodation), surely it is not unreasonable, so long as it is paid back promptly.

  8. Ed 8

    Certainly Jim Anderton’s statement about his experience is consistent with personal expenses included in a hotel bill, but perhaps not at separate shops. Winston Peters was also quite clear on such treatment of personal expenses.

    Perhaps the rules have changed – Ministerial Services may be consistent in what they now say, but that may not be what they previously consistently said.

    I heard that John Key was now seeking further advice to clarify just what the rules are or were – or something.

  9. Gooner 9

    Of course that doesn’t let people like Hide, English and Heatley off the hook, because they only paid back their personal misuses of ministerial allowances after they were found out…

    Hide did not misuse his ministerial allowance. Stop the lies.

    • Oooh, pedantry alert! Well spotted Gooner, Hide didn’t abuse his ministerial allowance, he just put his girlfriend’s holiday on the taxpayers tab. That’s so much better, eh?

      • Herodotus 9.1.1

        The same as Mr Carter and his parnter and I am sure many others, perhaps even Mr Burton (paying for a hotel room and leaving it empty for 2 days whilst going to visit other locations).
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10651376
        There is still this strong partisian defensive approach when will some of these strong right & left supports just say as it is Wrong!! No defense. Then we get the distractions re English & Hyde. The actions maybe distastful but they appear to be allowable same as Debunkle & Wilson(?) claiming living cost as they live outside Wellington, none of this does alot for politicians standing in the community. At least with this new openness we the voter are more aware of these rorts, and hopefully these will become less previlent and more distasteful(even if allowable). So there is some beneficial outcomes with these hopefully going .
        p.s. I still have not heard any counter claim re $12 entertainment allowance thatthe Mp’s get as part of their package, then some of these petty cash items become more distasteful.

        • ghostwhowalksnz 9.1.1.1

          Hide took the WAG, despite Keys new rule that was not allowed any more, and despite being advised in writing by Min Serv not to include her travel in his official paid costs.

          • Herodotus 9.1.1.1.1

            I may have brought Hydes spin (If so then appologise) does not his lenght of service “entitile” him to these perks as he has this perk adjusted into his salary package?
            He mentioned previously that he disagreed with this entitlement, so all he has done is to include himself (the gamekeeper) with the pouchers, and that it displays how difficult it is for Mp’s not to be lured into “The System”, and overplay their inmportance remember he has evolved from being a humble Mp to a dancing sensation, an athlete, and a minister, and also become increasing desirable to the fairer sex enough to bring down almost an humanbeing !!

          • spot 9.1.1.1.2

            The guidance from Min Services would be correct, but would he not have claimed the fare under Vote Parl.Services, as covered under those pre-1999 MP’s terms ?

            Perkbuster hypocrisy nailed him on that one methinks.

            Either way, you’re right, Key “urged” them to follow his example, and read that as “don’t do it”….

        • ianmac 9.1.1.2

          Herodotus: You only seem to read what you want to read. Mr Burton also pointed out that to cancel the two rooms for two days then return and re book, would cost more than leaving it empty. And I imagine that staff would do the bookings anyway. It seems that people declare their positions by bad spinning.

          • Herodotus 9.1.1.2.1

            “..To have broken continuous occupancy would have potentially affected the daily rate…’
            Potentially affected according to the report and that there was “- including two nights while the Burtons were on holiday elsewhere.” so they went on holiday elsewhere and we picked up the bill for an empty room that was suppose to be for private use. I imagine that I combined a working trip with private and then changed my personnel arrangements that I would be in line to incur the costs. ianmac we all read into this as we wish there are some who decide to question/attack others to defend, yet are the individual actions on principle or partsian?
            The report is abit confusing not to sure if this is bad reporting or the waters being muddied?

      • That’s so much better, eh?

        Well, yes.

        Both look bad on the front page of the Herald. Only one is an offence that can get you a year in prison.

  10. Gooner 10

    Here’s a clue ianmac – Hide’s hypocricy isn’t.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Economic boost for Southland marae
    The Government is investing $9 million to upgrade a significant community facility in Invercargill, creating economic stimulus and jobs, Infrastructure Minister Grant Robertson and Te Tai Tonga MP Rino Tirikatene have announced.  The grant for Waihōpai Rūnaka Inc to make improvements to Murihiku Marae comes from the $3 billion set ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago
  • Celebrating the Entry Into Force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons
    [Opening comments, welcome and thank you to Auckland University etc] It is a great pleasure to be here this afternoon to celebrate such an historic occasion - the entry into force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. This is a moment many feared would never come, but ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Supporting disabled people to stay connected
    The Government is providing $3 million in one-off seed funding to help disabled people around New Zealand stay connected and access support in their communities, Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni announced today. The funding will allow disability service providers to develop digital and community-based solutions over the next two ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Voluntary saliva testing offered to quarantine workers from Monday
    Border workers in quarantine facilities will be offered voluntary daily COVID-19 saliva tests in addition to their regular weekly testing, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. This additional option will be rolled out at the Jet Park Quarantine facility in Auckland starting on Monday 25 January, and then to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Next steps in firearms buy-back
    The next steps in the Government’s ambitious firearms reform programme to include a three-month buy-back have been announced by Police Minister Poto Williams today.  “The last buy-back and amnesty was unprecedented for New Zealand and was successful in collecting 60,297 firearms, modifying a further 5,630 firearms, and collecting 299,837 prohibited ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Jobs for Nature projects target iconic ecosystems
    Upscaling work already underway to restore two iconic ecosystems will deliver jobs and a lasting legacy, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says.  “The Jobs for Nature programme provides $1.25 billion over four years to offer employment opportunities for people whose livelihoods have been impacted by the COVID-19 recession. “Two new projects ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New Public Housing Plan announced
    The Government has released its Public Housing Plan 2021-2024 which outlines the intention of where 8,000 additional public and transitional housing places announced in Budget 2020, will go. “The Government is committed to continuing its public house build programme at pace and scale. The extra 8,000 homes – 6000 public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Prime Minister congratulates President Joe Biden on his inauguration
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated President Joe Biden on his inauguration as the 46th President of the United States of America. “I look forward to building a close relationship with President Biden and working with him on issues that matter to both our countries,” Jacinda Ardern said. “New Zealand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Jobs for Nature funding will create training and employment opportunities
    A major investment to tackle wilding pines in Mt Richmond will create jobs and help protect the area’s unique ecosystems, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor says. The Mt Richmond Forest Park has unique ecosystems developed on mineral-rich geology, including taonga plant species found nowhere else in the country. “These special plant ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Pre-departure testing extended to all passengers to New Zealand
    To further protect New Zealand from COVID-19, the Government is extending pre-departure testing to all passengers to New Zealand except from Australia, Antarctica and most Pacific Islands, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “The change will come into force for all flights arriving in New Zealand after 11:59pm (NZT) on Monday ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Bay Cadets learn skills to protect environment
    Bay Conservation Cadets launched with first intake Supported with $3.5 million grant Part of $1.245b Jobs for Nature programme to accelerate recover from Covid Cadets will learn skills to protect and enhance environment Environment Minister David Parker today welcomed the first intake of cadets at the launch of the Bay ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Cook Islanders to resume travel to New Zealand
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Mark Brown have announced passengers from the Cook Islands can resume quarantine-free travel into New Zealand from 21 January, enabling access to essential services such as health. “Following confirmation of the Cook Islands’ COVID ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Supporting communities and landowners to grow employment opportunities
    Jobs for Nature funding is being made available to conservation groups and landowners to employ staff and contractors in a move aimed at boosting local biodiversity-focused projects, Conservation Minister Kiritapu Allan has announced. It is estimated some 400-plus jobs will be created with employment opportunities in ecology, restoration, trapping, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Border exception for some returning international tertiary students
    The Government has approved an exception class for 1000 international tertiary students, degree level and above, who began their study in New Zealand but were caught offshore when border restrictions began. The exception will allow students to return to New Zealand in stages from April 2021. “Our top priority continues ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Tiwai deal gives time for managed transition
    Today’s deal between Meridian and Rio Tinto for the Tiwai smelter to remain open another four years provides time for a managed transition for Southland. “The deal provides welcome certainty to the Southland community by protecting jobs and incomes as the region plans for the future. The Government is committed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New member for APEC Business Advisory Council
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has appointed Anna Curzon to the APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC). The leader of each APEC economy appoints three private sector representatives to ABAC. ABAC provides advice to leaders annually on business priorities. “ABAC helps ensure that APEC’s work programme is informed by business community perspectives ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt’s careful economic management recognised
    The Government’s prudent fiscal management and strong policy programme in the face of the COVID-19 global pandemic have been acknowledged by the credit rating agency Fitch. Fitch has today affirmed New Zealand’s local currency rating at AA+ with a stable outlook and foreign currency rating at AA with a positive ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Additional actions to keep COVID-19 out of NZ
    The Government is putting in place a suite of additional actions to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, including new emerging variants, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “Given the high rates of infection in many countries and evidence of the global spread of more transmissible variants, it’s clear that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 19 projects will clean up and protect waterways
    $36 million of Government funding alongside councils and others for 19 projects Investment will clean up and protect waterways and create local jobs Boots on the ground expected in Q2 of 2021 Funding part of the Jobs for Nature policy package A package of 19 projects will help clean up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Government acknowledges 175th anniversary of Battle of Ruapekapeka
    The commemoration of the 175th anniversary of the Battle of Ruapekapeka represents an opportunity for all New Zealanders to reflect on the role these conflicts have had in creating our modern nation, says Associate Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Kiri Allan. “The Battle at Te Ruapekapeka Pā, which took ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago