web analytics

Shadbolt jailed for bullshit

Written By: - Date published: 5:59 pm, January 1st, 2008 - 31 comments
Categories: election funding - Tags:

Some years ago Mayor Shadbolt spent a week in Mt Crawford prison for refusing to pay a fine for saying “bullshit” in public. Now our intrepid hero says he wants to break the Electoral Finance Act, but can’t because he says it would be the Invercargill City’s chief executive who might have to go to jail! This time it’s Tim that’s full of bullshit.

He says its in defence of free speech, but the first set of ads featuring Tim did not break the Electoral Finance Act, only the last one that advocated a change of government. Tim is totally free to speak out and to spend Invercargill ratepayers money into the new year as long as they let him, to argue for more funding for their polytech. He could also spend their money to argue for a change of government, if he registered – so where’s the beef?

But the biggest bit of bullshit in his argument is his “firm belief” that National would do better by trade training – it was National’s Bill Birch that repealed the Apprenticeship Act in 1992, and Labour’s Modern Apprenticehip Act that has led to the spectacular growth in trade training since 1999. Tim’s got concrete between the ears on that one.

31 comments on “Shadbolt jailed for bullshit ”

  1. Chemist Peter 1

    In 2008 please make sure you give National 2 ticks in the General Election. Get rid of the corrupt Labour led Government we currently have.

    For Name and address please whistle Dixie and I may oblige.

    Happy New Year

    Chemist

  2. “But the biggest bit of bullshit in his argument is his “firm belief” that National would do better by trade training…”

    You bet. Maybe National would be happy to have the taxpayer fund SIT to provide free education to all comers? Why sure! That’s what National’s all about!

    Seriously, what drugs is the man on?

  3. burt 3

    To think that Shadbolt was jailed or using the word “bullshit” just shows how much society has changed in relatively few years.

    However out of interest are you seeking to discredit him for this and therefore use the ad hominem argument that what he now says about the EFL is also “bullshit” or are you telling us how he’s always stood up for what he believed in and as an x-Labour supporter that we should listen to him?

  4. Aj 4

    Shadbolt is an embarrassment to Southland. He doesn’t understand the difference between an individuals right to free speech and paid political advertising

  5. Monty 5

    I am just so pleased that soneone as high profile as Shadbolt is out there keeping the EFA issue alive – look out for another slump in the polls for labour when the next poll is brough out (in Feb 08)

    In the meantime I see the Herald is also doing their bit in keeping the issue alive as well.

    I know the socialists are desperate to let the EFA die – but it keeps ticking away in the media. More political mis-management by the Labour party.

  6. burt 6

    Aj

    Shadbolt is an embarrassment to Southland.

    Southlanders voted him in as Mayor, so how can he be an embarrassment to southland? He is however an embarrassment to Labour… well that’s not really true either – Labour are an embarrassment to NZ politics with their power at any price and policies of envy politics.

    The EFA is just another example of their extremely poor political management and Shadbolt is simply the messenger in this case. I guess as this is the standard shooting the messenger is to be expected.

    However you should try and differentiate the message from the messenger.

  7. DS 7

    “But the biggest bit of bullshit in his argument is his “firm belief” that National would do better by trade training – it was National’s Bill Birch that repealed the Apprenticeship Act in 1992, and Labour’s Modern Apprenticehip Act that has led to the spectacular growth in trade training since 1999. Tim’s got concrete between the ears on that one.”

    Agree entirely. Shadbolt’s cutting off his nose to spite his face: his new Tory mates will gut his precious SIT if they ever get the chance. Honestly, some people need a refresher course on the 1990s (specifically 1990-1993) before they open their mouths about how wonderful the Nats are.

  8. burt 8

    DS

    It seems Shadbolt needs a refresher course, oh that’s right he’s been getting one for the last 8 years under Labour… Doooh!

    Time for a change.

  9. GOM 9

    “He doesn’t understand the difference between an individuals right to free speech and paid political advertising”

    Best laugh I’ve had this year…Don’t understand the Act AJ? Q.E.D.

    Kicked in the arse by empty rhetoric!

  10. Kimble 10

    “Honestly, some people need a refresher course on the 1990s…”

    That was that National government at that time. Perhaps you need a refresher course on what has changed since then.

    “He says its in defence of free speech, but the first set of ads featuring Tim did not break the Electoral Finance Act, only the last one that advocated a change of government.”

    Calling for a change in government is now not covered by free speech? You can say what you like, but god help you if it is a call for Labour to lose power!

    You guys here at The Stranded are really starting to let your authoritarian colours show.

  11. “He could also spend their money to argue for a change of government, if he registered – so where’s the beef?”

    That is the beef, as he said. You should not have to *register* to exercise your right to free speech.

  12. DS 12

    “That was that National government at that time. Perhaps you need a refresher course on what has changed since then.”

    Nothing’s changed, except that the nature of the electoral system currently limits radical change. If (heaven forbid), the Nats do get an absolute majority in 2008, they’ll ram through whatever they damn well please.

    We are talking about the party of the Employment Contracts Act, Crown Health Enterprises (remember those?), and skyrocketing tertiary education fees. John Key’s “moderate” image, should the Nats ever again wield unbridled power, would last about as long as Jim Bolger’s 1990 promise of a “Decent Society”. How appropriate that the likes of Maurice Williamson and Lockwood Smith are still lurking in the shadows.

  13. burt 13

    DS

    As likely as Lange’s and Prebble’s lurking in Labour’s closet in 1999.

    Did it stop people wanting a change? No.

  14. DS 14

    Lange (who had already done repentance) left parliament in 1996. Prebble was leading ACT at that point, and the other “hate figures” of Douglas and Bassett were long gone.

    The 1999 leadership figures for the incoming Labour-Alliance government were Clark, Cullen, and Anderton: basically a who’s who of people who had been in the 1980s government as *anti-Rogernomes*. Goff was the highest ranking remaining Rogernome, but he was bundled out the country with Foreign Affairs.

    Anyway, Labour by 1999 had spent a decade repairing itself ideologically. National has done no such thing: all it is doing it is simply trying to dress up its underlying neo-liberal ideology in warm fuzzy clothing, hoping that the public and media have grown too complacent and too forgetful of what it did last time. The media’s veritable obsession with tax cuts shows that they, at least, have forgotten. Ten years ago, “tax cuts” was a dirty term (almost as bad as “privatisation”), and for good reason, since everyone back then knew that there was no such thing as a free lunch with those things. Now it’s all “yay, tax cuts!” and to hell with the consequences.

    Talk about a King Stork and King Log situation.

  15. burt 15

    DS

    Now it’s all “yay, tax cuts!” and to hell with the consequences.

    Not quite… Labour tax cuts are not inflationary, and some magical method will be used to make sure that it’s not the biggest tax payers who get the biggest tax reductions…. So it’s not bugger the consequences, it’s tell lies about the consequences and spin the reality so dim-witted Labour voters don’t realise they are voting for National party policy….

    Keep up – Labour have become the National party you are so scared of!

  16. burt 16

    DS

    Ten years ago, “tax cuts” was a dirty term

    I disagree, Labour used the policies of envy to convince a large number of people that any rich prick earning more than $60K/year should pay more than their fair share to support the economy. Many many people earning well less than $60K didn’t stop to think that since Labour had not indexed the threshold, and had no plans to adjust it to keep pace with inflation, that it was only a matter of time before more and more people were defined as nasty rich pricks.

    Today, 75% of high school teachers are rich, paying the extra tax to support…. themselves. How crazy is that? Richy enough to pay the top tax bracket, poor enough to receive WFF – twisted.

    Labour haven’t learnt much and their supporters seem to have learnt less. The EFA once again locks specific amounts into legislation with no legislative process in place to ensure the amounts are adjusted.

    God forbid Labour reign for another 9 years, but if they do how will the 2008 spending thresholds look then ?

  17. Kimble 17

    “Nothing’s changed, except that the nature of the electoral system currently limits radical change.”

    Yup, nothing at all has changed since 1990. Wait. This just in. A hell of a fucking lot has changed since 1990.

    “If (heaven forbid), the Nats do get an absolute majority in 2008, they’ll ram through whatever they damn well please.”

    If National gets an absolute majority, they wont ram anything through. They wont have to. They, as the democratically elected government, will pass law with the mandate handed to them by voters. You guys have a problem with that?

  18. burt 18

    Kimble

    The guilty always accuse the innocent of the things they have either done or wanted to do.

    “ram through whatever they damn well please”… No amount of logic or reason will convince partisan Labour apologists that this is exactly what Labour have been doing for the last few years.

    Retrospective validation – Rammed under urgency.
    EFA – Rammed under urgency.

    Two constitutional level pieces of legislation rammed through in a partisan manner – but hey – it’s National we need to fear – yeah right!

  19. dave 19

    Gee The Starndard blogggers are a minority on their own blog! DONT VOTE LABOUR!!!!

  20. burt 20

    dave

    Good point.

    Don’t vote Labour

  21. burt 21

    ooops

    That should have been…

    Don’t vote Labour

  22. Graeme Edgeler 22

    Burt – the EFA did not go through under urgency.

    Whilst I for one would like it to have had some level of strict scrutiny, and actual debate on a number of its important decision, it got a fairly normal legislative process.

  23. Kimble 23

    Graeme, I understand that “under urgency” is a technical term and isnt applicable to the EFA but would I be wrong in recalling that it was quite a close call? The legislation very nearly had to be pushed through UU, right?

  24. burt 24

    Thanks Graeme.

    My bad.

  25. “Nearly?!”

    Are you feeling a bit desperate Kimble, to be clutching at straws like that?

  26. burt 26

    Psycho

    How many of the MP’s holiday plans were disrupted because the house had to sit for additional days to pass the foul EFA? It wasn’t technically urgency but it was rammed through against public opinion. Something that National was being accused of planning to do earlier in this thread.

  27. Kimble 27

    “Are you feeling a bit desperate Kimble, to be clutching at straws like that?”

    Not clutching at anything, I was just confirming with GE that it was a close one. As I recall, it was passed on the last day, or second to last day, that it was possible to pass it for it to take effect in 2008. Just looking for confirmation.

  28. Rumpole 28

    If tim does spend ratepayers money with their approval to lobby against voting Labour it will be an interesting decision on prosecution as I doubt a Southland jury could be found to convict and I reckon any judge directing conviction would be headed for the cemetary PDQ.

  29. burt 29

    Feudal NZ returns. Tuhoi move over, the Celtic blood that runs through southland is going to beat you to overthrowing the govt!

  30. dad4justice 30

    Never under estimate us Southern Men !

    Ready for ACTION SIR !!

    Celtic platoon – FORWARD MARCH !!!

  31. Aj 31

    Burt
    “Southlanders voted him in as Mayor, so how can he be an embarrassment to southland?”

    Have a read of the lead article in today’s SDT and the editorial, he doesn’t have the support of his own council or the paper

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • NZ announces a third P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    The Government has deployed a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 Orion (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea, announced Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark. “New Zealand has long supported ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Pacific trade and development agreement a reality
    Pacific regional trade and development agreement PACER Plus will enter into force in 60 days now that the required eight countries have ratified it. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the announcement that the Cook Islands is the eighth nation to ratify this landmark agreement. “The agreement represents ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Securing a pipeline of teachers
    The Government is changing its approach to teacher recruitment as COVID-19 travel restrictions continue, by boosting a range of initiatives to get more Kiwis into teaching. “When we came into Government, we were faced with a teacher supply crisis,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “Over the past three years, we ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Border exceptions for a small number of international students with visas
    The Government has established a new category that will allow 250 international PhD and postgraduate students to enter New Zealand and continue their studies, in the latest set of border exceptions. “The health, safety and wellbeing of people in New Zealand remains the Government’s top priority. Tight border restrictions remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • First COVID-19 vaccine purchase agreement signed
    The Government has signed an agreement to purchase 1.5 million COVID-19 vaccines – enough for 750,000 people – from Pfizer and BioNTech, subject to the vaccine successfully completing all clinical trials and passing regulatory approvals in New Zealand, say Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods and Health Minister Chris Hipkins. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • International statement – End-to-end encryption and public safety
    We, the undersigned, support strong encryption, which plays a crucial role in protecting personal data, privacy, intellectual property, trade secrets and cyber security.  It also serves a vital purpose in repressive states to protect journalists, human rights defenders and other vulnerable people, as stated in the 2017 resolution of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Ministry of Defence Biodefence Assessment released
    The Ministry of Defence has today released a Defence Assessment examining Defence’s role across the spectrum of biological hazards and threats facing New Zealand. Biodefence: Preparing for a New Era of Biological Hazards and Threats looks at how the NZDF supports other agencies’ biodefence activities, and considers the context of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020
    New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020 Hon David Parker’s response following Thomas Piketty and Esther Duflo. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, wherever in the world you might be. I first acknowledge the excellent thought provoking speeches of Thomas Piketty and Esther ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Kaipara Moana restoration takes next step
    A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed today at Waihāua Marae between the Crown, local iwi and councils to protect, restore and enhance the mauri of Kaipara Moana in Northland. Environment Minister David Parker signed the document on behalf of the Crown along with representatives from Ngā Maunga Whakahī, Ngāti ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand and Uruguay unite on reducing livestock production emissions
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor and Uruguayan Minister of Livestock, Agriculture and Fisheries Carlos María Uriarte have welcomed the launch of a three-year project that will underpin sustainable livestock production in Uruguay, Argentina, and Costa Rica.  The project called ‘Innovation for pasture management’ is led by Uruguay’s National Institute of Agricultural ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 3100 jobs created through marae upgrades
    Hundreds of marae throughout the country will be upgraded through investments from the Provincial Growth Fund’s refocused post COVID-19 funding to create jobs and put money into the pockets of local tradespeople and businesses, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta have announced. “A total ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Health volunteers recognised in annual awards
    Health Minister Chris Hipkins has announced 9 teams and 14 individuals are the recipients of this year’s Minister of Health Volunteer Awards.  “The health volunteer awards celebrate and recognise the thousands of dedicated health sector volunteers who give many hours of their time to help other New Zealanders,” Mr Hipkins ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Community COVID-19 Fund supports Pacific recovery
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says a total of 264 groups and individuals have successfully applied for the Pacific Aotearoa Community COVID-19 Recovery Fund, that will support Pacific communities drive their own COVID-19 recovery strategies, initiatives, and actions. “I am keen to see this Fund support Pacific ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Community benefits from Māori apprenticeships
    Up to 50 Māori apprentices in Wellington will receive paid training to build houses for their local communities, thanks to a $2.75 million investment from the Māori Trades and Training Fund, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Ngāti Toa Rangatira Incorporated to provide its Ngā Kaimahi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Training fund supports Māori jobseekers
    Rapidly growing sectors will benefit from a $990,000 Māori Trades and Training Fund investment which will see Wellington jobseekers supported into work, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Sapphire Consultants Ltd. to help up to 45 Māori jobseekers into paid training initiatives over two years through ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Ruakura Inland Port development vital infrastructure for Waikato
    The Government is investing $40 million to develop an inland port at Ruakura which will become a freight super-hub and a future business, research and residential development for the Waikato, Urban Development and Transport Minister Phil Twyford, and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. The funding has been has ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Appointments made to Defence Expert Review Group
    Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today the establishment of an Expert Review Group to review a number of aspects of the New Zealand Defence Force’s (NZDF) structure, information management and record-keeping processes.  The Expert Review Group’s work arises out of the first recommendation from the Report of the Government’s Inquiry ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • No active community cases of COVID-19
    There are no active community cases of COVID-19 remaining in the country after the last people from the recent outbreak have recovered from the virus, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “This is a big milestone. New Zealanders have once again through their collective actions squashed the virus. The systems ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Clean energy upgrade for more public buildings
    More public buildings will be supported by the Government to upgrade to run on clean energy, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. Minister Shaw announced that Lincoln and Auckland universities will receive support through the Clean-Powered Public Service Fund to replace fossil fuel boilers. Southern, Taranaki, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Schools back donations scheme for the second year
    More schools have opted in to the donations scheme for 2021, compared to 2020 when the scheme was introduced. “The families of more than 447,000 students will be better off next year, with 94% of eligible schools and kura opting into the scheme,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Ruapehu cycle trails gets PGF boost
    The spectacular Mountains to Sea cycle trail in Ruapehu District will receive $4.6 million in funding from the Provincial Growth Fund for two additional trails, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This is an exciting development for the local community, and one that will provide significant economic opportunities ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago