Shadbolt jailed for bullshit

Written By: - Date published: 5:59 pm, January 1st, 2008 - 31 comments
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Some years ago Mayor Shadbolt spent a week in Mt Crawford prison for refusing to pay a fine for saying “bullshit” in public. Now our intrepid hero says he wants to break the Electoral Finance Act, but can’t because he says it would be the Invercargill City’s chief executive who might have to go to jail! This time it’s Tim that’s full of bullshit.

He says its in defence of free speech, but the first set of ads featuring Tim did not break the Electoral Finance Act, only the last one that advocated a change of government. Tim is totally free to speak out and to spend Invercargill ratepayers money into the new year as long as they let him, to argue for more funding for their polytech. He could also spend their money to argue for a change of government, if he registered – so where’s the beef?

But the biggest bit of bullshit in his argument is his “firm belief” that National would do better by trade training – it was National’s Bill Birch that repealed the Apprenticeship Act in 1992, and Labour’s Modern Apprenticehip Act that has led to the spectacular growth in trade training since 1999. Tim’s got concrete between the ears on that one.

31 comments on “Shadbolt jailed for bullshit”

  1. Chemist Peter 1

    In 2008 please make sure you give National 2 ticks in the General Election. Get rid of the corrupt Labour led Government we currently have.

    For Name and address please whistle Dixie and I may oblige.

    Happy New Year

    Chemist

  2. “But the biggest bit of bullshit in his argument is his “firm belief” that National would do better by trade training…”

    You bet. Maybe National would be happy to have the taxpayer fund SIT to provide free education to all comers? Why sure! That’s what National’s all about!

    Seriously, what drugs is the man on?

  3. burt 3

    To think that Shadbolt was jailed or using the word “bullshit” just shows how much society has changed in relatively few years.

    However out of interest are you seeking to discredit him for this and therefore use the ad hominem argument that what he now says about the EFL is also “bullshit” or are you telling us how he’s always stood up for what he believed in and as an x-Labour supporter that we should listen to him?

  4. Aj 4

    Shadbolt is an embarrassment to Southland. He doesn’t understand the difference between an individuals right to free speech and paid political advertising

  5. Monty 5

    I am just so pleased that soneone as high profile as Shadbolt is out there keeping the EFA issue alive – look out for another slump in the polls for labour when the next poll is brough out (in Feb 08)

    In the meantime I see the Herald is also doing their bit in keeping the issue alive as well.

    I know the socialists are desperate to let the EFA die – but it keeps ticking away in the media. More political mis-management by the Labour party.

  6. burt 6

    Aj

    Shadbolt is an embarrassment to Southland.

    Southlanders voted him in as Mayor, so how can he be an embarrassment to southland? He is however an embarrassment to Labour… well that’s not really true either – Labour are an embarrassment to NZ politics with their power at any price and policies of envy politics.

    The EFA is just another example of their extremely poor political management and Shadbolt is simply the messenger in this case. I guess as this is the standard shooting the messenger is to be expected.

    However you should try and differentiate the message from the messenger.

  7. DS 7

    “But the biggest bit of bullshit in his argument is his “firm belief” that National would do better by trade training – it was National’s Bill Birch that repealed the Apprenticeship Act in 1992, and Labour’s Modern Apprenticehip Act that has led to the spectacular growth in trade training since 1999. Tim’s got concrete between the ears on that one.”

    Agree entirely. Shadbolt’s cutting off his nose to spite his face: his new Tory mates will gut his precious SIT if they ever get the chance. Honestly, some people need a refresher course on the 1990s (specifically 1990-1993) before they open their mouths about how wonderful the Nats are.

  8. burt 8

    DS

    It seems Shadbolt needs a refresher course, oh that’s right he’s been getting one for the last 8 years under Labour… Doooh!

    Time for a change.

  9. GOM 9

    “He doesn’t understand the difference between an individuals right to free speech and paid political advertising”

    Best laugh I’ve had this year…Don’t understand the Act AJ? Q.E.D.

    Kicked in the arse by empty rhetoric!

  10. Kimble 10

    “Honestly, some people need a refresher course on the 1990s…”

    That was that National government at that time. Perhaps you need a refresher course on what has changed since then.

    “He says its in defence of free speech, but the first set of ads featuring Tim did not break the Electoral Finance Act, only the last one that advocated a change of government.”

    Calling for a change in government is now not covered by free speech? You can say what you like, but god help you if it is a call for Labour to lose power!

    You guys here at The Stranded are really starting to let your authoritarian colours show.

  11. “He could also spend their money to argue for a change of government, if he registered – so where’s the beef?”

    That is the beef, as he said. You should not have to *register* to exercise your right to free speech.

  12. DS 12

    “That was that National government at that time. Perhaps you need a refresher course on what has changed since then.”

    Nothing’s changed, except that the nature of the electoral system currently limits radical change. If (heaven forbid), the Nats do get an absolute majority in 2008, they’ll ram through whatever they damn well please.

    We are talking about the party of the Employment Contracts Act, Crown Health Enterprises (remember those?), and skyrocketing tertiary education fees. John Key’s “moderate” image, should the Nats ever again wield unbridled power, would last about as long as Jim Bolger’s 1990 promise of a “Decent Society”. How appropriate that the likes of Maurice Williamson and Lockwood Smith are still lurking in the shadows.

  13. burt 13

    DS

    As likely as Lange’s and Prebble’s lurking in Labour’s closet in 1999.

    Did it stop people wanting a change? No.

  14. DS 14

    Lange (who had already done repentance) left parliament in 1996. Prebble was leading ACT at that point, and the other “hate figures” of Douglas and Bassett were long gone.

    The 1999 leadership figures for the incoming Labour-Alliance government were Clark, Cullen, and Anderton: basically a who’s who of people who had been in the 1980s government as *anti-Rogernomes*. Goff was the highest ranking remaining Rogernome, but he was bundled out the country with Foreign Affairs.

    Anyway, Labour by 1999 had spent a decade repairing itself ideologically. National has done no such thing: all it is doing it is simply trying to dress up its underlying neo-liberal ideology in warm fuzzy clothing, hoping that the public and media have grown too complacent and too forgetful of what it did last time. The media’s veritable obsession with tax cuts shows that they, at least, have forgotten. Ten years ago, “tax cuts” was a dirty term (almost as bad as “privatisation”), and for good reason, since everyone back then knew that there was no such thing as a free lunch with those things. Now it’s all “yay, tax cuts!” and to hell with the consequences.

    Talk about a King Stork and King Log situation.

  15. burt 15

    DS

    Now it’s all “yay, tax cuts!” and to hell with the consequences.

    Not quite… Labour tax cuts are not inflationary, and some magical method will be used to make sure that it’s not the biggest tax payers who get the biggest tax reductions…. So it’s not bugger the consequences, it’s tell lies about the consequences and spin the reality so dim-witted Labour voters don’t realise they are voting for National party policy….

    Keep up – Labour have become the National party you are so scared of!

  16. burt 16

    DS

    Ten years ago, “tax cuts” was a dirty term

    I disagree, Labour used the policies of envy to convince a large number of people that any rich prick earning more than $60K/year should pay more than their fair share to support the economy. Many many people earning well less than $60K didn’t stop to think that since Labour had not indexed the threshold, and had no plans to adjust it to keep pace with inflation, that it was only a matter of time before more and more people were defined as nasty rich pricks.

    Today, 75% of high school teachers are rich, paying the extra tax to support…. themselves. How crazy is that? Richy enough to pay the top tax bracket, poor enough to receive WFF – twisted.

    Labour haven’t learnt much and their supporters seem to have learnt less. The EFA once again locks specific amounts into legislation with no legislative process in place to ensure the amounts are adjusted.

    God forbid Labour reign for another 9 years, but if they do how will the 2008 spending thresholds look then ?

  17. Kimble 17

    “Nothing’s changed, except that the nature of the electoral system currently limits radical change.”

    Yup, nothing at all has changed since 1990. Wait. This just in. A hell of a fucking lot has changed since 1990.

    “If (heaven forbid), the Nats do get an absolute majority in 2008, they’ll ram through whatever they damn well please.”

    If National gets an absolute majority, they wont ram anything through. They wont have to. They, as the democratically elected government, will pass law with the mandate handed to them by voters. You guys have a problem with that?

  18. burt 18

    Kimble

    The guilty always accuse the innocent of the things they have either done or wanted to do.

    “ram through whatever they damn well please”… No amount of logic or reason will convince partisan Labour apologists that this is exactly what Labour have been doing for the last few years.

    Retrospective validation – Rammed under urgency.
    EFA – Rammed under urgency.

    Two constitutional level pieces of legislation rammed through in a partisan manner – but hey – it’s National we need to fear – yeah right!

  19. dave 19

    Gee The Starndard blogggers are a minority on their own blog! DONT VOTE LABOUR!!!!

  20. burt 20

    dave

    Good point.

    Don’t vote Labour

  21. burt 21

    ooops

    That should have been…

    Don’t vote Labour

  22. Graeme Edgeler 22

    Burt – the EFA did not go through under urgency.

    Whilst I for one would like it to have had some level of strict scrutiny, and actual debate on a number of its important decision, it got a fairly normal legislative process.

  23. Kimble 23

    Graeme, I understand that “under urgency” is a technical term and isnt applicable to the EFA but would I be wrong in recalling that it was quite a close call? The legislation very nearly had to be pushed through UU, right?

  24. burt 24

    Thanks Graeme.

    My bad.

  25. “Nearly?!”

    Are you feeling a bit desperate Kimble, to be clutching at straws like that?

  26. burt 26

    Psycho

    How many of the MP’s holiday plans were disrupted because the house had to sit for additional days to pass the foul EFA? It wasn’t technically urgency but it was rammed through against public opinion. Something that National was being accused of planning to do earlier in this thread.

  27. Kimble 27

    “Are you feeling a bit desperate Kimble, to be clutching at straws like that?”

    Not clutching at anything, I was just confirming with GE that it was a close one. As I recall, it was passed on the last day, or second to last day, that it was possible to pass it for it to take effect in 2008. Just looking for confirmation.

  28. Rumpole 28

    If tim does spend ratepayers money with their approval to lobby against voting Labour it will be an interesting decision on prosecution as I doubt a Southland jury could be found to convict and I reckon any judge directing conviction would be headed for the cemetary PDQ.

  29. burt 29

    Feudal NZ returns. Tuhoi move over, the Celtic blood that runs through southland is going to beat you to overthrowing the govt!

  30. dad4justice 30

    Never under estimate us Southern Men !

    Ready for ACTION SIR !!

    Celtic platoon – FORWARD MARCH !!!

  31. Aj 31

    Burt
    “Southlanders voted him in as Mayor, so how can he be an embarrassment to southland?”

    Have a read of the lead article in today’s SDT and the editorial, he doesn’t have the support of his own council or the paper

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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