Shouting into the void

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1. jarbury 1

   6 July 2009 at 10:10 am

   Meanwhile in New Zealand…… our transport policies are taking us back to the 1960s, we’ve reversed a moratorium on new fossil fuel power generation, we’ve gone backwards 5 years to argue about whether climate change is real or not and we’re taking a hands-off approach to getting the country out of the recession.

   Thank goodness for the home insulation package and the cycleway huh?
   • ak 1.1

     6 July 2009 at 10:27 am

     Yup, no-hands down the Sir John Cycleway wrapped in pink batts about sums it up jarbs – after a budget written by a privately-owned credit-rating agency, now this gem: speculators gamble $80 billion every day on our dollar (Gaynor, in granny). Cockies thawing out after feeding-out might like to muse on who controls their purse-strings now – and reflect on electing one of these ticket-clipping gambler bureaucrats who helped design the whole shebang…
2. coolas 2

   6 July 2009 at 10:52 am

   So true rOb – creating an economy around environmental clean-up and sustainable infrastructure capital projects is pure common sense. But we do seem to be fiddling while the Planet burns! Sometime I wonder if the worse scenario is just too much to comprehend, because the fact is humans will be extinct in 100 years if we continue living as we are. Destroyed by ourselves.

   Perhaps the reason the UN Green Economy report wasn’t taken up by the Media is that they too cannot comprehend the urgency that if we don’t move fast we’ll be gone.
   • jarbury 2.1

     6 July 2009 at 10:59 am

     Perhaps the reason the UN Green Economy report wasn’t taken up by the Media is that they too cannot comprehend the urgency that if we don’t move fast we’ll be gone.

     Quite possibly. The more you learn about resource depletion, the more extreme potential effects of climate change and so forth the more you feel like crapping yourself from fear.

     I’m certainly going to be passing a pretty screwed up planet onto my 5 year old daughter. And yes, I feel pretty ashamed about that. It’s easier to ignore the issue than confront it properly.
     • coolas 2.1.1

       6 July 2009 at 11:43 am

       for sure – this is the ultimate existential issue. And if you’re informed you can’t help feeling the foreboding. ‘The whole world dying of panicy fright,’ is how Genet described the vibe. But being humans we live in hope and the Green Economy is part of a bundle of changes in direction that could save us from extinction. It will need huge collective effort and it’s hard not to despair when you see the lack of will from politicians and the media.
3. r0b 3

   6 July 2009 at 12:02 pm

   Colin James on related issues:

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/2567922/A-positive-way-to-an-eco-future

   Relate that to climate change: if a farmer or a business can see a buck to be made, that resonates. Growing numbers abroad (including Australia) have seen where bucks can be made – to the point where one commentator has claimed to be witnessing the emergence in the United States of a “climate-industrial complex” similar to the old “military- industrial complex” which hooked up with politicians to nudge policy and spending in ways that made its industrialists stacks of money.

   Business New Zealand chief executive Phil O’Reilly, fresh back from London, says the word from top business organisations there is that green business is going to be an integral part of post-recession world economic growth. The OECD’s business advisory group took the same “green growth” line last month.

   Hey National – why not just pick up the Greens package and run with it?
4. Pascal's bookie 4

   6 July 2009 at 12:33 pm

   Shameless threadjack:

   …to the point where one commentator has claimed to be witnessing the emergence in the United States of a “climate-industrial complex’ …

   One commentator eh?

   Crikey, are we giving commentators anonymity now? Commentating on ‘background’. One commentator reckons the Quitta from Wassilla is a sure thing for 2012…

   Anyhoo, our old friend Lomborg’s been pushing that line, but I wonder if maybe James is referring to this Rolling Stone article (OCR copy, original not online yet), by MATT TAIBBI.

   If so, then I guess he didn’t name check the commentator because it’s a pretty full-on attack on Goldmann Sachs and their part in our downfall. Check Taibbi’s blog for his response to sach’s response:

   http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/22587.
   • r0b 4.1

     6 July 2009 at 1:09 pm

     Thanks PB, interesting stuff. One thing I love about this place is the really interesting commentary and links posted here…

     (the smirkingchimp link has an extra “,” at the end)
5. randal 5

   6 July 2009 at 12:34 pm

   sorry folks but what did you expect.
   listen to radio ritalin its full of shriekers.
   they think that the world just has to hang on for a few months and “things’ will be back to normal.
   i.e. a full on assault of boy wacers, overseas trips, endless motoring and money for nothing.
   the longer and deeper the recession lasts the better.
   otherwise its finito dudes and in our lifetime.
   • r0b 5.1

     6 July 2009 at 1:04 pm

     the longer and deeper the recession lasts the better

     For the environment alone that may be true!

     The recession is in itself reducing carbon emissions (in eg Europe) – see eg here, and reducing oil consumption, eg here.

     So perhaps the only way to save the planet is to collapse the world economy completely!? Is that National’s secret master plan?
     • Murray 5.1.1

       6 July 2009 at 7:00 pm

       Great Stuff! bring it on.
       People shouldn’t complain when they lose their jobs, Its all in the name of combating climate change. “For the greater good”
       The same effect that combating climate change will cause, “a recession”
6. mike 6

   6 July 2009 at 8:02 pm

   “Hey National why not just pick up the Greens package and run with it?”

   Because Rob its a silly idea by a batshit crazy party that got bugger all in polls.
   Stop trying to scaremonger support.

   When the greens get a mandate to create change fill your boots
   • Pascal's bookie 6.1

     6 July 2009 at 8:21 pm

     By which you mean, ‘nearly twice as popular as ACT at the last election’.
     • jarbury 6.1.1

       6 July 2009 at 8:32 pm

       Must make Act the “Insanely batshit crazy party”.
     • mike 6.1.2

       6 July 2009 at 8:45 pm

       Just think how much more the greens could have achieved if they hadn’t sucked up to sinking mothership and didn’t rule out a partnership with National.
       As you’ve mentioned Hide got Auckland and only got half the votes..
7. DeepRed 7

   6 July 2009 at 8:44 pm

   Will the media only pay attention if the G7/G20 declare carbon trade war on us?

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