The bad blogger

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This morning, Cameron Slater celebrated his birthday this morning by inventing a story in a pretty typical mixture of whining, blustering, and maudlin self-pity. In fact anything except for looking to himself as the author of his own miseries.

But nope, in a classically paranoid fashion, Cameron thinks that because other people don’t like him or his tactics that

But one sinister aspect of the whole plot was that a core group of people who were deeply involved in the planning and dissemination of the hacked details had as one of their goals for me to experience so much pressure personally, and isolation and media scrutiny that they thought they could get me to kill myself….to “Do a Dawson”.

Yeah right. As egotistical and self-centered as it is possible to get. To dislike Cameron is to want him dead? Normally people don’t think like that.

But that just displays Cameron  at his egotistical self-centered best. He projects the things that he does on to others. Cameron once commented that it was a pity that I’d failed to die of a heart attack. I really don’t wish the same of him. Normal people also don’t say that a kid getting killed in a car accident in the West Coast was good because it got rid of a “feral”. Cameron in his child-like manner apparently does think both of those.

There is no secret that I don’t like the arsehole. There have been a lot of personal reasons for that over the last 7 years, but it is mostly because he is a lousy and quite lazy blogger. Rather than understanding the issues and explaining his view on them, it was obvious years ago that Cameron preferred to be paid for expressing the views of someone else. If you look on this site you will find posts that speculated on who was writing posts using his name as far back as 2009.

He has been willing to lie and walk over the legal bounds that govern everyone in this society in the process. That isn’t the actions of a responsible blogger or “journalist”. It is the behaviour of someone that I don’t want besmirching the reputation of blogging.

I do think that Cameron would be better off looking for a more suitable lifestyle than blogging or “journalism” because he is clearly incompetent at doing either successfully. The amount of time that he wastes in front of courts, inquiries, and tribunals probably should have made anyone with a more self-reflective viewpoint to realise that he was screwing up.

Anyhow, it looks like Cameron Slater has finally awoken to a few of the legal consequences of his past behaviour. But rather than dealing with how much of a arsehole he is to both friends and enemies, he just wants other people to bail him out of his own stupidity.

At a guess that he has just gotten the demand for costs from the court for starting an injunction action against the media, and then not following through with the threatened court action. Unlike his usual rather pathetic blustering followed by premature withdrawals on the blogs, doing so in the legal world carries considerable consequences.

The bills from confronting the media were considerable. It cost more than $60,000. I have exhausted all my funds and now I need some help.

Of course it may simply be the bill from his lawyers for getting a temporary injunction. But after the way he slagged off the professional reputation of erstwhile ‘friend’ Jordan Williams after the district court hearing in the Blomfield defamation case, I would be surprised if any lawyer would want to help him on any basis apart from upfront payments.

What is curious and more than a little hypocritical about the injunctions that Cameron sought against various media organisations was that they were to prevent potential breaches of his family’s privacy. This is not something that Cameron has ever been particularly noticeable for respecting in the past

For instance, he also appears to be worried about the possibility of a tribunal looking at his privacy breaches against Matthew Blomfield

Any surplus funds will be applied into defeating the case before the Human Rights Review Tribunal who are seeking to fine me $50,000, the largest amount ever awarded against a person. The previous highest award was $40,000 against a doctor who revealed the private medical records of one of his famous patients.

Of course what Cameron fails to mention is that instead of a few titbit details going to media, Cameron published a lot of private and personal information from a hard drive and a filing cabinet. This included publishing privileged documents to and from lawyers. But I suspect that Cameron should embrace the opportunity of the mandatory course in privacy that the Human Rights Review Tribunal is also seeking for him to do.

He is also facing a defamation case for publishing fictions about Matthew Blomfield that were expressed as facts – in other words deliberately lying.

But naturally now that the courts are likely to rule against him, that other people don’t like getting lied about, and that even his friends didn’t like what he said about them in the rawshark email dumps – none of those are things that Cameron Slater is interested in. He just wants others to give him money so he can carry on doing these same actions.

I wish any foolish contributors a lot of luck. The only thing that you can be sure of with Cameron is that the closer you get to him, the more likely you are to get damaged. I have never met the fool, and I intend for it to stay that way.


Updated: I see that Pete at Whaleoil wrote a post as well. Amusing

183 comments on “The bad blogger”

  1. coaster 1

    Although I dont like how he acts, what he says and who he seems to support, I do feel sorry for him. He does represent a portion of our society, and some of his blogs I agree with, but there is a real diiference in the way some of his posts are written.

    you would think that for all the work and support he has given national and others that they would help him out, if only for his families sake.

    • lprent 1.1

      The legal bills and judgements that Cameron Slater is likely to get over the next year or two as the processes wend through the courts probably amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

      Those are just for the cases and actions that we currently know about. It would not surprise me if we find other actions proceeding from some of the revelations in “Dirty Politics” where instead of it being a simpleton blogger blustering in posts, it proved to be a PR organisation working on behalf of corporate(s).

      How much money do you want to contribute to bail this lazy bad blogger out from his mistakes when he finally gets pulled up on them? Instead he wants to continue to make the same bloody stupid screwups that he has always made.

      This site has never had more than a few threatening emails over years. There is a reason for that. We don’t walk over the edge of the legal limits. Do you want to protect someone who routinely has done so, and who wants to do so again?

      I’ll contribute to Nicky Hager because I don’t think that that he walked over any legal limits, I suspect that the police may have, and I think that Nicky Hager operated in the best traditions of a journalist working for the public good. But why anyone would want to support such and arsehole blogger to repeat his screwups is beyond me.

      The best thing that Cameron could do for his family at this point is to declare bankruptcy and stop blogging so it doesn’t happen again.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1

        What’s his brand worth? He might give up “blogging”, I expect that “blog” will be around for a while longer.

    • Paul Campbell 1.2

      coaster: In Dirty Politics Hager explains that much of what he ‘writes’ is actually stuff that he publishes for money under his own name, hit pieces for various industry and political groups – that’s why there really is a difference between what he publishes, and why his crying poor after taking so much dosh is, well, rather a bit rich

      • karol 1.2.1

        In Dirty Politics Hager explains that much of what he SLATER ‘writes’ is actually stuff

        FIFY – just for clarity’s sake – the way you wrote it sounded like Hager was writing hit pieces for commercial interests.

      • KJS0ne 1.2.2

        Money that rumour has it, was never taxed. IRD should really investigate that.

        • ghostwhowalksnz 1.2.2.1

          Send them your evidence !

          Not really possible, he is sole director and shareholder of his business – Social media Consultants Ltd. Unlikely to be a massive revenue earner.
          Previous business went bust and his web site Gotcha.co.nz was a failure too.

          Cant see how hes going to turn into a local version of Breitbart, as he has no money nor real journalism ability. Was Editor of truth when it closed, so he couldnt make that work even with heavy promotion on his website

          • KJS0ne 1.2.2.1.1

            You make a good point, I don’t think there will ever be evidence, but it’s the worst kept secret that he was taking money from Tobacco & Alcohol groups in return for them being able to ghostwrite favourable pieces under his name. Figures of $5000 ‘donations’ per piece were being bandied about not too long ago. I think he was bragging about it in the emails revealed by Dirty Politics too, although I can’t reference that right now, I’ll go back through the book and see if I can hunt out the passage.

    • ED40 1.3

      Its not in the Tories nature to help their wounded. Thats the down side of being the mouth piece of the unempathetic, hate valtures of the right, He is a pariah.

      Now he’s begging for sympathy. pfffffft, cry me a river. sociopaths dont commit suicide, they usally go on killing spree’s.

      [lprent: I believe you are thinking about psychopaths rather than sociopaths. See http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:s5s9UucanLwJ:www.researchgate.net/publication/11843042_Psychopathy_antisocial_personality_and_suicide_risk/links/09e415065b79da3add000000+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz ]

    • Murray Rawshark 1.4

      Tories don’t help anyone except themselves. Slug Boy was expendable and went too far, so they cut him loose. I don’t feel sorry for the prick at all, and I don’t even feel sorry for his stupid wife. They have dug their own hole and can rot in it.

      I had a look at the two posts mentioned. With Pete he’s found someone as fucked in the head as himself. I think they actually believe the crap they write, and a few people seem gullible enough to give the prick money. I somehow doubt that they’re the rich who have a few bucks to spare thanks to Key’s tax cuts.

    • peterlepaysan 1.5

      Slater’s only hope is the National Party (fat chance!). There will be some that might donate, the NZ libel laws deter me from suggesting who they could be.

  2. CnrJoe 2

    scroll down comments and this doozy

    “The plotters involved politicians, party activists, bloggers, and in a
    couple of instances people who I once thought were friends. I know all
    the names, I will be coming for them”.

    ‘Cam would it be possible to provide a approx number of people so I can get my head around it without you having to provide names at this point so you retain your position of strength in bringing the scum to account.

    The US released a deck of cards for the most wanted in Iraq with Saddam being the Ace of Spades.You could give them nick names like Chemical Ali so your readers can follow you through your 47 year and beyond.How many cards would be in your deck.

    Happy Birthday ( from )
    Mine it,Drill it,Sell it.

    ‘twould appear The bloggers not for turning!

    • Anne 2.1

      “The plotters involved politicians, party activists, bloggers, and in a
      couple of instances people who I once thought were friends. I know all
      the names, I will be coming for them”.

      Beat me to it. I should be deeply humiliated and hurt if I was not on the list. :mrgreen:

    • Predictably, the wingnut is a Thatcher fan.

      Clark and Dawe review Thatcher’s heroic legacy: http://youtu.be/PHBRjERga38

      Saving the Whale: http://youtu.be/ILPq3IO6tus

    • Sanctuary 2.3

      That comment, the one that follows it, and the picture of a playing card with a bullet hole in it amount to death threats. Last time I looked that was an offense under NZ law. Slater’s band of crazies will never learn.

      • anon 2.3.1

        Referring to “Double M”.

        Well I suppose Eminem did bring a lawsuit against the National Party for copyright breach, but surely, even Spanish Bride wouldn’t be so loopy as to think Eminem was in on this big “conspiracy”?

  3. dad4justice 3

    How come Whale Oil is allowed a gun license? The fat prick should be in a straight jacket.

    • weka 3.1

      afaik being a prick doesn’t disqualify someone from being given a gun licence.

      • felix 3.1.1

        It really kinda should though.

        • Yes, given Slater’s erratic behaviour and sociopathic aggression, there is an elevated risk he will go postal God forbid! 😥

          Although our study focused on incarcerated criminal offenders, it is important to note that the existence of the externalizing suicidal type is most certainly not limited to criminal or antisocial populations. There also exist chronically hostile and impulsive individuals in the general population who possess the temperament disposition (high NEM, low CON) of the antisocial personality but who do not commit (or at least are not apprehended for) criminal offenses. Such persons are likely to be at heightened risk for hostile and aggressive behavior toward self or others, particularly under conditions of accumulating stress (Verona, Patrick, & Lang, 2001). Rage-related murder-suicide acts may represent an extreme manifestation of these tendencies.

          • weka 3.1.1.2.1

            The only people that know if Slater is a risk are the police and any psychiatric people involved in his care, and probably his family/close friends. Everyone is speculating based on supposition. If you want to do that I’d like to know if you would like gun licence laws to be applied routinely on the basis of what people see on the internet/MSM about someone?

            • ropata:rorschach 3.1.1.2.1.1

              I just hope the Police are paying as much attention to Mr. Slater as they did to Mr. Hager. NZ is not immune to rampaging lunatics.

              • weka

                True, and I hope they are too. My point is that you can’t apply gun licence laws based on internet speculation. Or psychiatric diagnosis.

                Having said that, I just looked at the gun licence application online and see that you don’t have to declare convictions or mental health history there. Looks like it’s up to the assessor to pick up on those things. Don’t know if they routinely request medical records (the application form requires an incredibly broad waver for access to personal information), or if they rely on the applicant being truthful in the interview.

                http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms/standard-new-zealand-firearms-licence

                • Slater’s personal issues are public knowledge, by his own admission. His machiavellian streak is also pretty clear from Hager’s exposé. The cops should be concerned.

                  • weka

                    You believe what Slater tells you?

                    • Hell no, but it’s fun to do amateur psychoanalysis!

                    • weka

                      right, which legitimises anyone playing internet psychiatrist on anyone they want. Which sucks, damages people and makes a mockery of the left’s supposed values of respect, fairness and tautoko for vulnerable people.

                    • Slater dishes it out but can’t take it. Rather than face the consequences of his actions, he hides behind some kind of medical issue. Cry me a river.

                    • weka

                      That may very well be true, but what does that have to do with my comments?

                      You’ve basically said that if Slater treats people like shit, you are allowed to too, and vice versa.

                    • Who dares to treat Slater this way? Off with their heads!
                      Jeez mate, having a few problems doesn’t make him immune to criticism.

                    • If you read Dirty Politics you might understand why a lot of people are infuriated at Slater and others… they have pissed all over democracy, media integrity, science and education in this country.

                    • weka

                      Of course Slater has done a whole bunch of shit that is despicable and of course people should feel angry about that. Please reread what I have said, because you seem to be under the impression that I am defending Slater and I am really not. I’m also not saying don’t critise him. I’m saying don’t play psychiatrist because when you do you support a culture that puts people at risk.

                    • Advice noted and declined, thanks.

                      Trying to understand another human being is absolutely basic to human interactions. Every functioning human constructs a ‘theory of mind’ in order to relate to others and to model their mental state. It’s a powerful mechanism for co-operation and survival.

                      Every single thing people say or do reflects their mental state, and I think it’s pretty obvious that all is not well in the land of Whaleoil.

                    • weka

                      Yes all is not well, but you have no way of knowing what is mental illness and what is Slater’s personality and what is shit he made up. So any speculation at this distance is based on false information. It leads to stigmatisation of people with mental health problems. I don’t care about Slater, I do care about people who are vulnerable who aren’t arseholes like him. You are legitimising attacks on them. This is real world prejudice that affects people and makes their lives and their mental health worse.

                      If it’s alright for you to challenge Slater’s rights based on your perception of his mental state, then presumably other people, including Slater can do the same to other people.

                      Let’s put this another way. Do you think that all people with mental health issues should be declined a gun licence? If not, what’s the criteria?

                    • I am stating opinions about one odious blogger. If it hurts your feelings please stop reading.

                    • weka

                      You’re not hurting my feelings. I’m pointing out the politics of mental health and the problems with people feeling like they can diagnose other people online and then make suggestions based on that. This is a political blog, I don’t think you can expect people to not talk politics.

                    • you are way off topic and I don’t give a crap.

                      I’m not going to walk on eggshells worried about offending someone. That’s not what this forum is for.

  4. mickysavage 4

    What really irks is his feigned victim status. He is as much a victim as I am a John Key fan.

    • weka 4.1

      it’s an interesting dynamic from and for the pathological liar who mixes truth and falsehood. How can anyone tell which bits are true and which bits are lies and which are a bit of both?

    • lprent 4.2

      It is part of his standard pattern.

      Bluster, threaten, and gloat when on the front foot and particularly use any signs of weakness in his victims as an excuse to go in harder.

      As soon as he starts losing – claim he is a victim, start whining, and then claim he won anyway because of some ridiculous and stupid reason.

      For instance after he pathetically lost to Mallard in a bike race

    • One Anonymous Bloke 4.3

      Yeah, because it’s totes ok for the Prime Minister to use his position to impress and exploit balloon-heads.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 4.4

      Totally his style:

      When his security business went broke, it was all his business partners fault !

      When Fidelity Life stopped paying his sickness benefit because he was ..cough.. working, it was all their fault and he was going to sue their pants off. Never went to court of course.

  5. MrSmith 5

    Oh Dear Cammy has to resort to Begging, Ha, but for a Con man like yourself Cammy it will be seen as just another income stream. Just as well it’s not on the street tho Cammy, as begging on the St will most likely be against the law soon, due in-part to the pressures exerted by people just like yourself, we can’t have those dirty Beggers/Bloggers making the place look untidy can we.

  6. Neil 6

    Everytime I hear Slater’s name or see his picture in the news it makes me want to throw up, [deleted]
    Slater’s act that he is a victim is a load of rubbish & asking people for money is just a big con job & there are plenty out there who will fall for it.

    [karol: not acceptable]

    • Huginn 6.1

      Neil:

      Very uncomfortable with your wish list. Hope it gets moderated out of the conversation.

      • weka 6.1.1

        +1. Even if you don’t care about Slater, there are other people to consider, plus the wider ethic of if you can wish that on someone then it’s ok for someone to wish that on vulnerable people.

    • Anne 6.2

      Slater’s act that he is a victim is a load of rubbish & asking people for money is just a big con job & there are plenty out there who will fall for it.

      I wonder if his “many” supporters will pick up the irony. Nicky Hager didn’t have to ask for money to help him pay his legal bills. It just happened naturally and continues to happen. Cameron Slater has to put out a begging post.

      • weka 6.2.1

        I was appreciating the irony. I haven’t read his post, how is intending to gather the money? Is he using the fundraiser that the woman used for Hager? 😉

        • Anne 6.2.1.1

          @ weka
          If you want 10 minutes of entertainment read his post and that of his mate, Pete. lprent has linked to them. Warning: not for the too faint hearted. 🙂

          …how is he intending to gather the money?

          He wants 100 people to cough up $500 each. We don’t do things by halves in Slater’s fantasy world.

          • weka 6.2.1.1.1

            Ok, I’m looking now via donotlink (I love how everytime I put one of Slater’s posts in their system, someone has been there before me and already labelled the post as offensive).

            Slater – http://www.donotlink.com/framed?575361

            Pete – http://www.donotlink.com/framed?575490 (his was labelled ‘nonsense’)

            • weka 6.2.1.1.1.1

              Anne, Pete is hilarious but way too ironic for me to read the whole thing. I got as far as this,

              “Occasionally a post to warn people to choose which side of history they want to be on.”

              And then skimmed down through the conspiracy stuff (irony oh irony!). I can’t figure, do they really believe this stuff, or is it just part of the game?

              • Anne

                …do they really believe this stuff, or is it just part of the game?

                I think they manage to convince themselves that what they’re saying is (sort of) true. I was associated with someone like that years ago. Such people can cause an immense amount of damage. They are so convinced they’re always right, they come across as plausible to other people. In my view, it’s a form of psychopathy/sociopathy.

                • Anything to keep the horrible truth at bay…

                  (that slater is utterly full of sh*t, unable to do a real job, totally self absorbed, and his paid-for ‘opinions’ are worth less than used toilet paper)

            • ropata:rorschach 6.2.1.1.1.2

              Thanks for the links, the whale will not get a single click from my IP. Added a couple of comments to the donotlink frame 😛

              It’s pretty unbelievable the utter lack of conscience or introspection displayed in those posts. They are in right wing fantasy land

            • David H 6.2.1.1.1.3

              OOpps sorry lol

          • Ben adam 6.2.1.1.2

            Well, Eazypeezy! He just needs to beg all the National party MPs, current National party president, ex-National party presidents, Ex-National/ACT party MPs and ministers, his wealthy female lawyer friend in Hong Kong, KDC, Labour party, Cunliffe, Hager, all the corporate CEO’s he supported, the shady journalists that liaisoned with him, the police, the tobacco lobby, Collins, all the filthy editors and publishers of News Papers that used his nasty articles as mainstream news, to contribute not less than $500 each to his legal fund. His fund should easily have hundreds of thousands in no time at all!

            • ropata:rorschach 6.2.1.1.2.1

              whale’s sponsors have already paid for his corporate PR fluff pieces and overseas junkets, but now their cosy arrangement has been exposed, so his wealthy ‘mates’ need to find greener pastures to cover with astroturf

          • Rodel 6.2.1.1.3

            Strange how the positive comments and ‘donation’ messages to Wailoil all have the same ring about them…… ‘Good on yer Cammy. I’m a war veteran pensiner but I threw $200 in the bucket..etc.etc.etc.etc….. ad ridiculum’

            I guess some fools will be fooled some of the time and others all of the time and some will donate.

        • lprent 6.2.1.2

          Wants people to send money directly to a solicitor’s trust account.

          Coming to think on that. It is interesting. I can think of several explanations. But the one most interesting is that it is them completely anonymous, non transparent, and has a great deal of protection by law.

          One of the features of the GiveAlittle campaign for Hager was its level of transparency. You could literally see the money being added in public.

          • weka 6.2.1.2.1

            “Nicky Hager has the same people who tried to kill me fronting fundraising efforts on his behalf.”

            The first time I read that I thought is that libellous? But I see it’s cleverly worded, he’s not actually accusing Hager of having someone try and kill him. Maybe Slater’s getting better legal advice now.

            • Stephanie Rodgers 6.2.1.2.1.1

              On the other hand he does say “fronting”, so maybe people who have been starting the Givealittle or international fundraising for him would have good cause?

              • weka

                True, but legally wouldn’t he have to either name someone, or be specific about Givealittle so that it was clear who’s reputation was being smeared?

                • lprent

                  Nope. All that would have to be shown is that he knew who it was. That was public info.

                  And it appears that an interesting amount of scrubbing been done on his site on that topic.

                  One of the things that I hate about Cameron Slater is the degree that the gutless coward alters his site when he senses he is in trouble.

            • lprent 6.2.1.2.1.2

              Nope but he is defaming the person who setup the GetALittle.

            • Paul Campbell 6.2.1.2.1.3

              Wait – isn’t the same guy who was involved in getting information about where Hager lives to Hong Kong gangsters?

          • weka 6.2.1.2.2

            “But the one most interesting is that it is them completely anonymous, non transparent, and has a great deal of protection by law.”

            It also means that if he doesn’t get many donations his humilation is private. I’d guess at this point that’s a significant issue too.

          • Pascals bookie 6.2.1.2.3

            Exactly LP, this way he gets to claim some huge figure was raised from thousands of people and who’s to say otherwise.

    • ankerawshark 6.3

      Disagree Neil.

      Don’t want Slater to die. By his own or someone else’s hands. Just want him to stop.

      Can’t we bring back Pep jobs? They were great in a time of high unemployment.

      Get him rolling up his sleeves and doing something physical. Good for depression. Calms the mind!

  7. cogito 7

    What did Slater call that poor guy on the West Coast – a feral, wasn’t it? What goes around comes around. No-one’s going to shed any tears over Slater when he goes down.

    [karol: I’d prefer if people didn’t sink to Slater’s level]

    • MrSmith 7.1

      [karol: I’d prefer if people didn’t sink to Slater’s level]

      Fair enough Karol, but some probably feel they now have no choice because nothing else seems to work, the Media are complicit, the Government have him on speed dial and the Police appear to be doing stand-over for him.

      • karol 7.1.1

        Just a warning. A comment above was getting into dangerous ground legally.

        I get the impression a lot of Slater’s powerful friends are deserting him. I think it’s more that the govt & some journos are covering their own backs, in the light of their past dealings with Slater.

        And, as Hager often pointed out, Dirty Politics is really about John Key. i find it shocking that a PM would have dealings with the likes of Slater.

        • Rodel 7.1.1.1

          Karol
          “And, as Hager often pointed out, Dirty Politics is really about John Key. i find it shocking that a PM would have dealings with the likes of Slater.”

          This is the real point.

        • Manuka AOR 7.1.1.2

          “A comment above was getting into dangerous ground legally.”

          Possibly intentional?
          Things that make you go “Hmmmm…”
          The person who made that comment has earlier made these comments on TS:
          “Typical vile language from a left winger. Play the ball not the person.
          The Standard is a disgrace for discourse.”

          And, “We won the election Jenny exLabour MP you lost !!!!”
          (Those from the discussion under “David Cunliffe Announces Withdrawal…”, 18.8.1 & 18.11.1)

          Now he has left this comment that was published on the W/O blog faster than The Standard Mod could find it. There, it is displayed as an example of the ‘comments on TS’, with supporting notes linking it all to the Labour Party and rounding it off with, “They really feel this way”.

          Trouble is, “They” is NOT someone who represents The Standard and is NOT a representative of the Left, but is a instead a right wing/ Nat supporter.

  8. North 8

    Slater, the archetypal bully/thug….some (not all) of his own back….”Poor, poor me….I am SO cruelly wronged !”

    SO Mistress Collins, though with credit to her the sooky floating of the prospect of self-harm really must be considered a pathological up-size.

    So many weirdos from the leafy suburbs nowadays !

  9. moto-riser 9

    interesting to read that he has gotten a lot of people saying that they have donated. why do people like him so much?

    • karol 9.1

      What, in the comments on his blog? Have you read Dirty Politics? One of the tricks of WO writers (Slater & his ghostwriters) was to comment under their own posts, using a different handle.

    • bruhaha 9.2

      Sockpuppets. He’s put them in the thread to get others to feel they should donate. it’s very close to fraud IMHO.

    • felix 9.3

      There are very few real commenters on whaleoil.

  10. Look out lprent, Pete George is gunning for you. Attack of the beige cardigans!!! 🙄

    For some reason he believes whale’s and dpf’s claims that they are NOT funded by National?!?!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

    • lprent 10.2

      Yeah it is because he is too stupid to understand what “indirect” means. Hell, I don’t think he understands “direct” either.

      Pete George is very very good at lying to himself with a convoluted and meaningless theory whenever it suits his endemic bigotry. He is a very sad clown.

      • lprent 10.2.1

        Left this on Pete George’s site. I expect that he will write another stupidly post based on it.

        So you can’t point to a single case where we walked over legal bounds. Instead you act like any other gutless coward on the net – you make groundless insinuations with weasel words and no facts. How unexpected. It is your usual slimey style.

        I see that you don’t understand what “indirectly” means. David Farrar’s polling business does the majority of its business from the National party or from the ministries of the National government. Amongst other things that means he has the time to run a blog in the way that virtually no-one else does.

        Well except for Slater who has a lot of time to run a blog as well. He appears to have built a business from contacts in the National apparently doing all of the dirty work for people like Collins, Graham, Lusk, and others. Most of the “Dirty Politics” was about that. Knowing you, I suspect you haven’t bothered to read the book.

        I suspect that they have money being fed through from National and the government. They are welcome to sue at any point in time. Discovery motions are such pain when you are trying to hide finances. I don’t have any such issues.

        We have a quite complete disclosure statement on our about about our finances. Somehow in the last seven years you appear to have been too stupid to understand it. That doesn’t surprise me. Just at present I’m paying most of the site expenses. Hopefully the minimal advertising we do will get some money through sooner rather than later. But we don’t require much to run our site.

        John Key and Josie Pagani are simply deliberately and maliciously lying. We don’t. But what I find interesting is what they claim to have as a source of information. Somehow I don’t think either has ever bothered to say. I wonder why that is? Apparently you are too incurious to look at such issues.

        Mike Smith was quite open that he was doing occasional consulting work for the Shearer leadership. Somehow when David Farrar sucks on the government and National party contracts and has a card to the 9th floor of the Beehive, it is somehow not an issue. But when Mike Smith employs his expertise as a contractor it is completely different.

        As you are a rather stupid conservative bigot, I don’t expect you to understand.

        • weka 10.2.1.1

          broken link

        • ropata:rorschach 10.2.1.2

          Another classic lprent rant… Ouch!

          • Rodel 10.2.1.2.1

            r r
            classic |ˈklasik|
            adjective
            judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind: a classic novel | a classic car.

            True

        • RedLogix 10.2.1.3

          Farrar, Slater and George form the dark-triad of NZ blogging.

          Every interaction I’ve had with them confirms that essentially we are dealing with very real and harmful personality disorders.

          Having lived with one for many years I can testify how very baffling, manipulative and damaging these people are. Normally over time they simply burn off so many people that their reputation is tattered and they are ‘ring-barked’. Isolated so as to cause the least harm, to others and ultimately themselves.

          But to make matters much worse there are other people willing to use these damaged individuals for their own ends, which has only amplified and exacerbated matters. This story will not have a happy ending.

        • framu 10.2.1.4

          hes back stalking this thread – and reposting that which does not met his approval

          oddly though – he chose my rather timid one liner to repost, but not anything more problematic for him to discuss (which is ood – PG can discuss anything for weeks)

          the guys a stalker

    • weka 10.3

      At the risk of exposing us all to the risks of speculation about what goes on inside Petey’s head, why is the word lies in quotation marks in the title of that post?

      • a) PG is too thick to use proper punctuation, b) PG has no evidence to support his wacky theories about The Standard’s funding, c) PG can’t admit that he’s been conned by farrar and slater’s bullshit, d) PG is losing his marbles ??

      • Murray Rawshark 10.3.2

        I see it as an attempt at legal cover in case lprent decides to sue. Pete George is a “slimy” “coward” after all. Mainly he’s just incredibly boring, no quotation marks needed.

    • framu 10.4

      loved this from “old whiney” (pete george)

      in reply to iprents musings on wether PG had even read dirty politics

      “I bought the book as soon as it was available (I actually pre-ordered a copy) and it’s open right beside me now, on page 13.”

      so it nov and PGs only made it to pg13?

      • PG is a strange bird, trying to be relevant with his boring brand of concern tr0lling and self-martyrdom. Annoying but ultimately a waste of time engaging with the silly old bugger.

      • Tracey 10.4.2

        how do you pre order it when no one knew it was becoming available?

        • framu 10.4.2.1

          good point

        • Murray Rawshark 10.4.2.2

          You retrospectively preorder it, otherwise known as lying.

        • Pete George 10.4.2.3

          I suspected it was becoming available when Hager launched it in Wellington and media covered the launch (late in the day). First thing the next morning I rang a local bookshop and they said they were waiting for delivery, so I ordered one.

          They rang and advised when stock arrived later in the day so I went and picked my ordered book up.

          It’s odd that something so trivial and straightforward as that results in accusations of lying.

          • McFlock 10.4.2.3.1

            I suspected it was becoming available when Hager launched it in Wellington

            By god, Holmes, however did you deduce that?

            In actual fact, you merely ordered a copy.
            Fact-checking’s not all that hard, after all.

            • weka 10.4.2.3.1.1

              Fish in a barrel.

            • Tracey 10.4.2.3.1.2

              lololol

              whereas i, having heard of the launch on the weds night, went to a bookshop the next morning and bought it. i guess it was a misunderstanding that he seemed to impky he got one of the first run.

              so, i guess what pete meant, but didnt write was he ordered from the second run, unable to get the first run.

          • framu 10.4.2.3.2

            Theres nothing odd about you saying dumb shit, having people point out whats odd about it then have you drone on for weeks dithering and reclarifying everything down to where the comma goes.

            Thats why you get called a liar.

            But what is odd, you boring old stalker, is that you decided to focus on one of the most benign and somewhat irrelevant criticisms made of you in this thread

            low hanging fruit and all that

            And what exactly were you trying to prove by going “see look what this guy said about me”?

            You didnt even make a damn point! You just cut and pasted
            me into your dumb little circle jerk

            get a life

  11. NZJester 11

    I do not wish him dead.
    I do however wish him to pay legally for his transgressions.

  12. Higherstandard 12

    Zzzzzzz Lynn hates Cameron zzzzzzz

    • lprent 12.1

      I don’t *hate* him. I just don’t like him. I think he taints all of the better bloggers with the fecal bacteria from the lowest stratum of our society. The incompetent and angry fools who perform well below their capabilities. Those who like to whine and blame everyone else.

      That is the current occupancy of the Whaleoil.

      • higherstandard 12.1.1

        “That is the current occupancy of the Whaleoil.”

        ….and The Standard and The Daily Blog.

        ..although in fairness I’m not sure how many of those here perform well below their abilities as one doesn’t get to know most of them outside their web personas.

        • karol 12.1.1.1

          I think being critical of the government/political opposition, is different from CS’s whining that is more focused on himself.

        • Murray Rawshark 12.1.1.2

          Haha, lowerstandard. There are some very high achievers commenting here. I don’t think you’re one of them.

          • Higherstandard 12.1.1.2.1

            Your use of irony is truly magnificent.

            • ropata:rorschach 12.1.1.2.1.1

              The MSM have dismally failed the people of NZ. The critiques expressed on this blog may not be elegant or conform to your ‘higher’ standard but at least this is a place where other views may be expressed.

              I don’t care for packaged corporate messages or government by carefully managed deception (otherwise known as PR), I am interested in the truth and the best for NZ.

              Unlike you HS, the people on TS are actually interested in a democracy that works for all Kiwis especially the most vulnerable. As far as I can see, you and your whaleoil buddies are only interested in elevating yourselves at the expense of everyone else.

              In other words, you come across as lazy, gloating, and arrogant. Please try and make a sensible comment that refutes this thesis. Here is a tip on how to do it honestly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

      • Ian 12.1.2

        You are one deluded fool .No wonder the labour party is disintegrating,when your ravings are center stage.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 12.1.2.1

          You have a point: fecal bacteria are useful, whereas Mr. Slater is only useful to the National Party.

  13. Sanctuary 13

    One line struck me –

    “…I do think that Cameron would be better off looking for a more suitable lifestyle than blogging or “journalism”…”

    Slater is typical of a particular type of aggrieved poor little rich boy. Well off family, moved in the right circles, followed by utter failure to make the income to match his expectations. I suspect that when his old man dies and he picks up enough family money to keep him in the style he feels entitled to without every having to work again we’ll never hear from him again.

    PS I just read the two posts from Slater and his “sidekick” Pete.

    They are utterly nuts, the rantings of sociopath and a narcissist. I am amazed the police allow Slater to own a firearm.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 13.1

      Hes far from that, hes born in a modest home in Fiji. His old man wasnt rich, merely a suburban accountant type. I think his wife is more well off than him.

  14. Sable 14

    I really don’t know why you even bother mentioning this character. In one sense it just gives him more publicity. Probably the best thing to do is just ignore him if what you say is true.

  15. ghostwhowalksnz 15

    When you look at Slaters political circle its pretty blighted to match the Oily Orca.

    John Banks, long time associate of Slater, convicted and likely to be wearing ankle bracelet for 9 months.

    Maurice Williamson: sacked for trying to play police prosecutor for a rich mate, unlikely to ever be in Key government role again.

    Judith Collins: Another one sacked/stood aside for misleading and or deceptive conduct

    Cactus Cate: Lost her lucrative career as Hong Kong based dodgy tax promoters

  16. Hone 16

    I think the oily whale will need to find another bank account for his birthday money.

    From his “blog”
    “That’s until we received an email, written by Tim Allen from Grove Darlow & Partners asking for the removal of their company and trust account details from the articles asking for your financial support.

    Their reasoning? They do not care to be associated with Cameron Slater’s opinion, and he had not sought prior approval to publish their trust account details”.

    • Tracey 16.1

      perhaps because theyve already been paid…

      will slater put up on his site the invoices made out to him, for his legal bills to date, should be simple enough… and give permission to donors to seek confirmation from the solicitors that they are unpaid and due?

  17. Tracey 17

    perhaps he just saw how much hager raised through megs fundraising and decided he wanted some money too. concoct his story, on his birthday and crowdfunding here he comes…

    he seems to have forgotten his treatment of bhatnagar who was his friend, while bemoaning being back stabbed by friends.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 17.1

      He has asked for contributions before when he named sex abusers. He was successful for at least a few thousand as I recall.

  18. Hone 18

    Doesn’t seem they have been paid,i don’t want to link to the post, but they now are using a kiwibank account and going nuts they can’t use the lawyers one.

    • Tracey 18.1

      that does assume that what is being posted is true. just post the invoices and a legal statement saying they are unpaid. simple. people who want to help feed him rather than poor kids can know exactly why they are giving.

      • weka 18.1.1

        details and clean link here,

        Open mike 03/11/2014

        • Tracey 18.1.1.1

          thanks. so no actual invoices uploaded and no statement by the law firm that they are unpaid.

          it is NOT unusual for a law firm to run from something like this when no one bothered to tell them about it first?

          this is a joke and so is PGs conspiracy theory. he is overlooking one important thread. law firms want to be paid. they will have damned good reason to be responding as they are.

  19. Nebman 19

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that none of the commentators on this post have actually met Slater? I note the writer points out that he never has.

    Before anyone replies with I didn’t need to meet person X (substitute whichever Blaggard from history you prefer), to know I despised and loathed everything they stood for, it’s telling that so many have taken an opportunity to level very personal attacks on someone they’ve never met.

    I’ve never met met him and don’t agree with a lot of what he say’s but the visceral and deeply personal posts about him, his appearance, his friends and family, and acquaintances by many here is striking.

    The level of vitriol and the dubious linking of Slater’s mental state and status to his legal possession of a firearm also leads me to conclude that while some of you have read the requirements of the NZ Arms Act, few, if any of you have actually been through the process of obtaining your licences.

    It’s neither a simple or “easy” process and involves interviews with immediate family and associates and can be revoked at any stage by the Police.

    Why stop with revoking his firearms license? Let’s take his drivers license off him as well – after all he could rampage through a Mall in his car.

    His legal woes are his own issue but to portray Hager’s public acceptance of crowd funding his legal expenses as somehow better or more noble than Slater’s public request for assistance seems asinine.

    By all means disagree with what he says, take an opposing position which many of you have but the inane, personal attacks I don’t get. Justifying it by saying “he started it” just makes your position weaker.

    DISCLAIMER – I have never financially contributed to Mr Slater’s blog or his legal defence.

    • I’ve met Slater and his online persona matches his real life attitude. Not pleasant to be around. Utterly convinced of his own infallibility and contemptuous of people he considers to be lesser than himself. Constitutionally incapable of looking in the mirror to figure out the source of his woes. I was attempting mild conversation when he expressed his disdain for Christchurch earthquake victims. Fuck him.

      • greywarshark 19.1.1

        Concern troll Nebman. People can be judged by what they do and say. You may like anyone who will shout you a drink, and spend some time talking to you, but that is not sufficient standard for someone doing a job serving our democratic society.

        And we find that WO has been up to some very fishy business doing a job for people in a Party which is carving us up, not serving us. Some of us don’t like that. Of course we aren’t being offered free booze and a part in the play that Jack wrote. What is your pay-off for defending Cam? What has he got on you?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 19.2

      The feeble pretence of some sort of equivalence between Hager and Slater is suggestive of malice.

      Hoist, meet petard.

    • Weepus beard 19.3

      Hi Pete. Welcome to The Standard.

    • Murray Rawshark 19.4

      I agree with you, Nebman. He should lose his driving licence as well. And call me asinine, because there is no comparison between citizens concern for our democracy putting in a few bucks for Hager and a vile slug who’s poisoned his own nest begging for finance. None whatsoever.

    • Rodel 19.5

      nebman
      Your logic is deficient. Suggest you study spin 101 before trying this line again.

    • Tracey 19.6

      thanks for your deeply ironic or parady post. if this was a genuine post then i can only conclude that you

      a. have never read slaters website
      b. never read his enails
      c. never met him

  20. repateet 20

    The Pete post on WhaleOil includes some real gems among the delusions.

    Fancy writing a description, “Cam Slater is generally considered to be a loud mouthed boorish angry idiot with a blog” and failing to include “sociopathic, misanthropic egotistical or arsehole”.

    And “It is time for the ‘good guys’ to be counted.” Well it wont take a big abacus to count them if that’s where they’re collecting them.

  21. Pascals bookie 21

    So in a new post over there, Pete posts a screen grab of that moderated “neil’ comment from upthread and spins it into a yarn that the Standard, Fish, other Herald journos, Hager, contract hackers, the Labour party and possibly Obama and that Pinko Pope they’ve got now met up at some point to plan Slater’s death. Send money meow!

    How many comments had ‘Neil’ made previously?

    • r0b 21.1

      That was username Neil’s 7th comment.

      • Pascals bookie 21.1.1

        well.

        • Karen 21.1.1.1

          If you look at Neil’s contributions they are all right wing – so I suspect that comment was planted here deliberately so that it could be used on the WO site to blacken the name of the Standard. Karol had removed Neil’s comment soon after it was posted, so they had to be quick.

          • Weepus beard 21.1.1.1.1

            They only know one way to operate – dirty.

          • Anne 21.1.1.1.2

            There have been two Neils contributing here in recent times. The ‘yellow’ gravatared Neil – the one in question – started commenting on October 9th. He has produced short comments (one or two liners in the main) and appears to be a leftie. The second ‘blue’ gravatared Neil started commenting on Oct 13th and he’s a rabid right winger.

            Interesting they both started within a few days of one another. Perhaps lprent should do a bit of research.

            Edit: you have to go back to 2013 before you find another Neil (plum coloured gravatar this time) commenter. Interesting!

          • Ian 21.1.1.1.3

            I read whaleoil every day,and havn’t seen a reference to this echo chamber for months.

  22. AsleepWhileWalking 22

    They are ONLY considering a $50K fine? This really embodies all that is wrong with the HRRT. They can go up to $200K, and should consider this to act as a deterrent for other bloggers considering abusing others privacy for a living.

    Hope his ACC levy is through the roof and his insurer finds him too much of a risk.

  23. donotlink to Pete’s longwinded rant in response to this thread (and Neil’s moronic comment above) :

    http://www.donotlink.com/framed?576031

    The bully who gloats about poor people in car accidents and despises earthquake victims, is overcome with shock to find people saying mean things about him. Diddums precious wee flower! The comment in question was probably planted to help build his ridiculous conspiracy theory.

    • karol 23.1

      The comment on this thread went up at 7.24pm. I had deleted it before 7.38pm.

      That’s hardly “leaving it lying around”.

      interesting that Pete got a screen shot of it in that small window of time.

      • les 23.1.1

        see if Pete still has a screenshot of Slaters ‘Freedom A/C, a Kiwibank a/c, after Slater had been attacking Kiwi Bank relentlessly.A faux pas that ‘Pete’ said he could explain…but never did!

      • weka 23.1.2

        There seems to be a lot of confusion in the past day between the two Petes. I wish people would be more clear.

      • Weepus beard 23.1.3

        As Karen proposes above, it looks like Neil’s comment was a deliberate plant by Slater’s men.

        It wouldn’t surprise me if in the not too distant future Slater faked his own demise in order to blame the left.

      • lprent 23.1.4

        It is most likely Pete has been misusing the comments feed.

        Ok, turning comments feed off and disabling access to it entirely.

        I can’t see how it helps the site at all.

        I think that the only people who use the comments feed a lot are some trolls, and obviously the idiots at Whaleoil. They can blame the removal on Neil and Pete at Whaleoil. Neil has been commenting here since late June.

        If anyone has a particularly good reason to get it, then let me know and I will figure out a site to person way of giving you a feed.

        • karol 23.1.4.1

          I don’t think I know what the comments feed is/was. Does that mean the full Neil comment was still visible there, even after I deleted that bit?

          • weka 23.1.4.1.1

            The RSS feed (link still at top of comments). And yes, it stays visible in people’s RSS reader even after you have deleted it.

            • karol 23.1.4.1.1.1

              Where the “articles RSS is now? – with links only to the posts, plus the latest comments?

              How many people use that? I’ve never looked at it before?

              • lprent

                Yes. There used to be a Comments RSS just below that. They are designed to be picked up with a RSS reader which reads their particular file format. Once they collect them then they are stored on the client machine.

                In this case I suspect that Pete probably knew about the comment “Neil” wrote from the RSS as it’d usually pop at the top of the list for a new comment.

                The alternative would have been that he managed to “see” it within the very short interval for the moderation. Which would have been a hell of a coincidence.

                Not that many people use the comments RSS. No-one will be able to do it now.

                • weka

                  “Not that many people use the comments RSS”

                  Because of the good long comments list on the right? I’ve taken to using the RSS comments feed at Ontheleft because their comments list is only ten comments long and there doesn’t seem to be any other easy way of keeping track.

                  • lprent

                    Yeah. I timed our one at approx 1-2 hours when we are running at peak. I need to increase it or provide another display. Some days during the election campaign we were doing several hundred an hour and there was less than half an hour in the list.

  24. Following the example of whaleoil (the people’s hero), Imperator Fish has the begging bowl out too. It’s a pretty close analogy to this whole farce.

  25. JeevesPOnzi 26

    It seems to me that so righteous is their belief in themselves and the world their Granpappies and Daddies built for them- that they think it is okay to sequester a Law firm’s trust account without so much as the courtesy of requesting permission to do so, at most likely considerable effort required on the part of said firm.

    THEN they ( or at least their acolytes) launch into full scale attack mode against the firm for having the audacity to suggest that this is not quite cricket thanks.

    It seems to me that this firm represents Slater’s QC, and not Slater. THey are just used as a decontamination unit to handle his toxic checks each month to his QC, yet he felt he could commandeer their services. Now their name is all over the sphere and Slaters demented little worlocks are threatening ‘never to give them my services’ lol…. as if any of his trolls could afford them anyway.

    In an effort to create a warchest to extract revenge against the ‘Drive for Suicide Conspirators’ (lol- can’t wait to see who they are- and the surprise on their faces)- he’s managed to add yet another player ( the law firm) to the milling throng of identities that probably resent him- without ever having to meet him.
    In this his hour of need- he still manages to cut a swathe through the innocent bystanders of his pathetic life.

    Lets not blame his madness for his badness. I wonder when , perhaps in a year or two will we see Corin Dann interviewing a tragic Spanish Bride about being a victim caught up in the maelstrom that was Cam Slater…

    • A voter 26.1

      Of course at one time we had a mental health and justice system that could contain people who were a danger to society on such a level you know the violent and insane with a corrupt sense behaviour towards others

    • Tracey 26.2

      no. barristers cannot be engaged by the public directly. accordingly slater or his backers engage the firm of solicitors and then the barrister. in strict terms the client is represented by the firm and the barrister. the firm in no way represents the barrister

  26. A voter 27

    Isnt nice to know that the Law of Karma is real and working
    Couldnt have happened to a more deserving person except Slippery

  27. vto 28

    What flabbergasts me about this is that the fat slug didn’t ask or speak to the law firm before putting their account details up for all and sundry to see….. lack of basic judgment there

    Fail on base level. No wonder he has fallen flat on his face.

    Useless pile of shithead feral scum.

  28. Ian 29

    I have just spent 20 minutes of my life reading all the comments here and I am not a troll. I have followed Camerons blog for 9 difficult years,and have been on the receiving end of his viper tongue on numerous occasions. I have also contributed financially to keep him going in the blogosphere,and will do so again.
    You guys need to clean your act up. I have just read some of the most hatefull and vile posts directed to an individual I have ever read on a NZ website. If the labour party thinks the opinion of iprent and dad4justice will guide you into the future you are doomed.

    • mickysavage 29.1

      You seem to be a new commentator.

      In your first comment you called lprent a deluded fool. In your second you said that you read whale oil every day and have not seen a reference to the Standard for months when there are a multitude of references. And in your latest comment you say TS needs to clean its act up and that the posts are some of the most hateful and vile on a website. And you think that dad4justice is a labour supporter.

      I do not know where to start …

    • Weepus beard 29.2

      He started it, so there.

      • Weepus beard 29.2.1

        And by that I mean Slater introduced divisiveness and cyber-violence to the new medium.

        He and his wife (because it is a family affair), generated and harboured racism and intolerance on a large scale and were proud of it.

        The Prime Minister liked what he saw.

        Judith Collins was enamoured too.

        This done, we can only assume Slater is ok with the backlash…

        • Ian 29.2.1.1

          So the new medium in cyber space needs us to ALL think the same.You are attacking family and spouting nasty lies without any references to sources and pushing our defamatory laws to the edge.Keep it up. I’m sure the Nats will love another 3 years. But if any political party decides to try and ban fireworks,they will be doomed.

          • Weepus beard 29.2.1.1.1

            Excuse me? How am I attacking family, and how am I lying?

            I don’t expect or demand everyone think the same way, I just don’t like a shock jock and hate campaigner like Slater and his wife inciting division for profit.

          • RedLogixFormes 29.2.1.1.2

            Ian,

            For many years most of us here have done our level best to ignore Slater. While Farrar is sly and hypocritical, Peter George tedious and self-absorbed – Slater has repeatedly stepped over the line. Most of us wanted nothing to do with him.

            In the normal course of events he would have eventually been isolated and ignored. But sadly for him there have been other actors happy to exploit his behaviour and lack of restraint – which has drawn him in to some dark waters indeed.

            Now it’s come to this, Slater’s latest ‘poor me’ victim-hood bleating is the last damn straw. It’s the classic behaviour of a sociopath when confronted. Absolutely classic. I’m not surprised your seeing more than a few people come out and express their disgust.

  29. JeevesPOnzi 30

    Ian, Hi there.

    I guess you haven’t read the book then…

    Oh, what’s the point- anybody who can read whaleoil for nine fucking years is beyond help.

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    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Strike!
    Today is the first day of the global climate strike. Led by schoolkids, people all around the world are going to protest to demand action on climate change. New Zealand isn't doing it till next Friday (join us!), but if you want to get active early, there's plenty to do ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Squandering our opportunity?
    The Herald has a story today about the 400 MW of wind power currently under construction. Good news, right? Except that none of it is being driven by policy (instead, its about replacing Contact Energy's Taranaki Combined Cycle gas-fired power plant, due to shut down in 2022), and most of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Protect The King!
    To Protect and Serve: When the Prime Minister finds herself enmeshed in the coils of a full-blown political scandal, her colleagues and party comrades have only one priority: to release her as swiftly – and with as little lasting injury – as possible. Is this what Jacinda Ardern’s colleagues and ...
    4 days ago
  • The rot at the top.
    When military leaders cover up and lie to elected civilian authorities, the foundation of democratic civil-military relations is undermined because it is those authorities who are entrusted to hold the military accountable to the public that they mutually serve. But this is only true if civilian political authorities take their ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    4 days ago
  • Challenging the voting age in court
    The Make It 16 campaign to lower the voting age is launching this afternoon, and they have already announced plans to challenge the law in court:The campaign, named "Make it 16" will launch at Parliament on Friday, with plans to take their case to the High Court, testing the rights ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Israel’s elections herald a long siesta
    by Daphna Whitmore The long years of Netanyahu’s reign are drawing to an end. For years he has epitomized reactionary zionism as he oversaw hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers seize land in the West Bank. There are now 700,000 settlers, putting an end to the myth that Israel was ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    5 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    6 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    7 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    7 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    1 week ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 week ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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