The Cabinet Reshuffle

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1. Incognito 1

   1 February 2023 at 1:23 pm

   @ MickySavage: I have turned on comments.
2. Stephen D 2

   1 February 2023 at 1:56 pm

   It's a canny selection.

   Rewarding new blood for work done in select committee. Promoting proven performers, and making room for others.
3. James Simpson 3

   1 February 2023 at 2:03 pm

   The rankings are largely meaningless but I do wonder why Mahuta and Little have dropped by 7 and 6 places respectively.

   But overall a good reshuffle. Health and 3 waters are two of those issues that were beginning to bog the government so some fresh leadership is certainly a good thing and I think you will see a further bounce.
4. Peter 4

   1 February 2023 at 2:32 pm

   The words 'winners' and 'losers' figures in so much of the Cabinet reshuffle talk. I think it's a lowest common denominator, simplistic, trite perspective. It's valid though because that's the way politics operates here. It's a frame for journalists to hang their stories on, it has become the frame of our perspectives. It's another part of the navel gazing way things are.

   If you were Minister of Underwater Marbles and had that job taken from you and you were made Minister of Underwater Hockey and moved from 49th ranked to 51st ranked, are you a winner or a loser?

   Do you get less pay? Did you get a better car to be driven in? Do you get to be called "Ma'am" or "Sir" more often. If what you've been appointed to is so unimportant you're a loser, why is it a job at all?

   In a rugby or football sense which players are less important? "You're a loser because you're only a wing. If you were a winner you'd be centre forward or in rugby the halfback."
   • observer 4.1

     1 February 2023 at 3:43 pm

     Agree 100%. It's meaningless in government, and even more so in opposition, where it's not even a real job. But the opp spokesperson on marbles/hockey still has to be ranked. Why?

     Worse, the press gallery seem to care and think that we care. I've met (e.g.) teachers who certainly care who is Minister of Education and what they're doing, but I've never met a single one who got excited because that Minister was now up to 8 from 10.

     It's BS.
     • alwyn 4.1.1

       1 February 2023 at 6:59 pm

       "But the opp spokesperson on marbles/hockey still has to be ranked. Why?"

       The main Opposition party in the New Zealand Parliament doesn't, in spite of what you seem to think, rank everybody. They rank the top 20 but not anyone below that. They obviously think just the way you want them to, they just got there sooner than you have.

       https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-bishop-judith-collins-and-todd-muller-winners-in-national-reshuffle/GSJOIE4DVNDA5CSUFBUZI6RK6U/

       The Labour party appear to rank their entire Caucus however.

       https://www.labour.org.nz/ourteam
       • Craig H 4.1.1.1

         2 February 2023 at 12:23 pm

         The Labour Caucus ranking is:

         1. Cabinet;
         2. Anyone with ministerial/undersecretary positions outside Cabinet;
         3. The Speaker and assistants (except for Greg O'Connor for some reason);
         4. Party whips (noting that Labour still have to appoint a chief whip and some assistants after their promotions to ministerial roles);
         5. The rest of the MPs in the order they were on the 2020 Party List;
         6. MPs who weren't on the 2020 Party List in order of Parliamentary experience
       • Incognito 4.1.1.2

         2 February 2023 at 10:00 pm

         So desperate to craft your narrative that you cannot even compare apples with apples.
5. Ad 5

   1 February 2023 at 2:32 pm

   I'm having grudging admiration for Prime Minister Hipkins already.

   The speed of rollout tells me he has had his preferred Cabinet in mind for quite some time, should he ever get the shot at Number 1.

   He has totally monstered the media cycle and looks set to do so for weeks. The upcoming Australian visit is also smart.

   Verrall at Health means she can bring out her list of all bureaucrats who ever wronged her over 20 years in the service. She knows all their processes, and all the limits to their delegations.

   Woods with the Auckland portfolio is just a piece of magic against Mayor Brown. Our medium-term black-wite advertisement for competent governance. My concern is that Transport as a portfolio is getting out of control and he's very distracted.

   Surprised more of the load hasn't come off Woods. She and Hipkins will need to press on with the NZBattery preferred decision soon or the risk of National getting in and killing it will get very high – after which point NZSuper can come in and pretend Taranaki Bight wind farms can replace it. Nor is Kainga Ora development arm under any control either.

   Weird that Parker is demoted but still holds onto Revenue. Give it up already. Edmonds or Russell need more to cut their teeth on. Also either of those two need to be groomed as new AG or Minister of Finance.
6. Incognito 6

   1 February 2023 at 4:47 pm

   Moving the right people in place for a tough election campaign whilst providing strong governance/leadership (without screw-ups!) and giving a few newbies a go, with appropriate mentorship, no doubt, to test them out and make them hungry enough for more. The move suggests a clear vision for the present and the (near) future. So far, a very united team despite some suggestions by some of internal fights in the Party especially with the Māori caucus. Good!
7. gsays 7

   1 February 2023 at 6:18 pm

   Well, more than one nurse is hoping third time lucky with the new minister.

   I still can not understand the resistance from Little to one, settling the wage round and two, the pay parity claim. There isn't a downside.
   • Belladonna 7.1

     1 February 2023 at 7:03 pm

     I agree that the ongoing unrest about the nurses pay seems to be entirely inexplicable – both from a fairness and a PR perspective.

     Look forward to Verrall cutting the Gordian knot – and just getting on with it.

     It would have to be one of the most popular government spending decisions out there.
   • Craig H 7.2

     2 February 2023 at 12:25 pm

     My guess is cost and implications for wages for the rest of the public sector, especially elsewhere in Health, Education and Police. That said, I think they should accept that paying more is necessary to actually get stuff done.
     • gsays 7.2.1

       2 February 2023 at 6:00 pm

       That's the thing, the reason for this pay parity is to gain equity with the cops.
8. Belladonna 8

   1 February 2023 at 7:00 pm

   Woods seems to have a huge workload – picking up Infrastructure in addition to her already monster portfolios of Housing, Energy and Building. She's also Campaign manager – which is another very significant hat to be wearing.
   • Patricia Bremner 8.1

     5 February 2023 at 11:17 am

     Personally I think Chris is looking to Megan to do his past role. The "go to" Minister to sort problems.

     This refresh brings the average age down, and creates connections.

     Parker and Little's peers have mainly retired.

     Nanaia Mahuta needs a rest from the nasty attacks and will be given other policy to work on, plus her role as Minister of Foreign Affairs could become far meatier with Pacific Asian tensions.

     Working with Tainui is a great Diplomatic training ground.
     • Belladonna 8.1.1

       5 February 2023 at 2:45 pm

       I agree that Woods is the 'go-to-girl' of the new cabinet – but it's a really heavy workload.

       Sepuloni has associate Foreign Minister with Pacific responsibilities – so I expect that we'll be seeing more of her in relationship-building across the Pacific.

       Which would leave Mahuta for the long-haul heavy lifting. I note that she's just about to leave for India.

       I'd be really surprised if Hipkins uses her to front any other policy areas – he's got to be wary of the fact that she's been front-and-centre of all of the brouhaha around 3 waters – and the associated poor communication. Not to say she won't be working behind the scenes – but I'd be surprised if there are any other ministerial roles.
   • SPC 8.2

     5 February 2023 at 2:52 pm

     There is nothing wrong with that, but usually there is an associate and under secretary trainee working with them under oversight.
     • Belladonna 8.2.1

       5 February 2023 at 3:01 pm

       Woods has an associate Housing minister (Barbara Edmonds) – but doesn't appear to have an associate in any of her other ministerial roles. She's also associate minister of Finance.

       I'm not saying there is anything 'wrong' with it, per se. But it's a huge workload for any Minister to carry. And, bringing on a new Associate Minister (new to cabinet), is a workload in itself.
       • SPC 8.2.1.1

         5 February 2023 at 3:23 pm

         The usual ("Westminster") practice is to bring in newbies as under Secretaries, then next step is to Associate Minister in that area.

         Housing and Building, Energy and Infrastructure are two jobs. She should have associates in each and an under secretary in all 4 areas.

         Twyford and Parker would be ideal (short term).
         • Belladonna 8.2.1.1.1

           5 February 2023 at 3:38 pm

           Given that neither Twyford nor Parker has been appointed – I'd think it's highly unlikely that they would be, retrospectively. Twyford just seems to be unsuited to Ministerial responsibility.

           And Woods doesn't seem to have (or at least I haven't found) any Associate Minister apart from Edmonds. [Well, also Marama Davidson as Associate Minister for Housing (Homelessness) – who appears to be entirely invisible in this portfolio]

           I don't think you can automatically assume that Housing and Building are a single job – until the middle of last year, Poto Williams was Minister of Building – Woods only took it over in June; whereas she's been Minister for Housing since 2019. Woods has been Minister of Energy since 2017 – but has only just picked up Infrastructure in this re-shuffle. So those aren't the same job, either.

           Jo Luxton seems to be the only listed Parliamentary Under-Secretary (for Agriculture and Education) – so Labour don't seem to be appointing these, widely, either.

           https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/483394/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-reveals-cabinet-reshuffle
           • SPC 8.2.1.1.1.1

             5 February 2023 at 3:51 pm

             The Westminster tradition exists for a reason – to develop competence. For example, before the neo-liberal era ministries developed their leadership internally, rather than hiring in managers from the private sector and outsourcing by contract historic functions. Competence was king. Not now.

             Sure there are 4 separate ministry roles – my point is that the 4 would usually be seen as enough for 2 Ministers.

             The lack of under-secretary development in a caucus that large is surprising. It would improve their capacity to perform on the Select Committees.

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