web analytics

The hoax revealed?

Written By: - Date published: 9:16 am, September 25th, 2008 - 23 comments
Categories: climate change, humour, youtube - Tags:

Incredibly, leading rightwingers including John Key, Maurice Williamson, Lockwood Smith, Rodney Hide, and Roger Kerr still don’t accept the overwhelming evidence for climate change. A cynic would say that’s just because it’s in their interests to engage in this wishful thinking. But maybe that’s too harsh, maybe they’ve just been suckered in by sophisicated marketing, like this:

[hattip Frogblog]

23 comments on “The hoax revealed? ”

  1. monkey-boy 1

    I thought I heard John Key on the radio Newstalk zb saying the evidence for gloabl woarming in is opinion was uniquivocable. Or was that a hoax?

  2. Dom 2

    But what did he say was the cause? That’s the point – global warming deniers say that it isn’t man-made – they point to historic peaks and troughs in temperature as totally natural. They deny that man has mucked up historic/natural trends.

    Oddly, you could say, ‘yes, global warming is happening’ and totally be a denier since you leave off the whole man-made aspect. Imagine that sentence being ‘Yes, global warming is happening but it has always happened and man isn’t the cause.’

    Plus, didn’t Key deny global warming just a few years ago?

  3. Go The Right 3

    When New Zealand Steel shuts down next year at Waiuku because of the flawed ETS scheme being passed by this Labour led Government.

    What are you going to tell the 600 workers then? This business put $4 million dollars into the local economy a week and its closure will affect 6000 people.

    They have already put their $ 1 billion up grade on permanent hold. New Zealand shuts down why the rest of the world keeps on doing what it always has done what a great economic vision.

    [lprent: So by that rationale you’d also argue that we should reintroduce CFC’s, DDT, 245T, remove scrubbers from coal station chimneys, reintroduce asbestos as a insulation material, add lead back into paint, transport water in lead pipes, etc etc. All of those threw people out of work. They also created new industries using different technologies.

    Just think of those poor wheelwrights that lost their jobs when motorized vehicles were allowed to operate!

    It’d be nice if you could get a sense of historical perspective.

    Anyone figure out where he copied this one from? ]

  4. lprent 4

    I was just reading a concerning report at frogblog about methane releases in the arctic. The methane time bomb

    I’ll be very interested in the papers that come out of that. The expedition is still returning back to port. Then I came back here to see this amusing video – which comes down to the basic conservative position. We deny because we don’t want to change. They’re called conservatives for a reason.

    As Dom says the current ‘denier’ position is to say that climate change is happening but has nothing to do with human actions. Of course they ignore the tipping point problems. You don’t have to have much of an effect before you start triggering natural releases that enhance the original effects.

    Incidently, I’m pretty sure that this source of greenhouse gases hasn’t been factored into the climate change models yet. It will be interested to see what the IPCC make of this in a few years.

  5. rave 5

    NZ Steel?
    Simple. Renationalise it, put the workers in charge and clean it up.

  6. BeShakey 6

    Those workers might be helped by another hoax. After all, thats what Bill English described Labour’s promise to get unemployment down to current levels as.

  7. Dom 7

    Sustainable based businesses will rise up (and I would argue the govt could do more to encourage this) to take the place of those which are non-sustainable. And yes, it’s a balancing exercise, sustainability will have to be introduced in a way that doesn’t cause the economy to go to hell since the environment will suffer even more if that happens.

  8. Stephen 8

    Sustainable based businesses will rise up (and I would argue the govt could do more to encourage this) to take the place of those which are non-sustainable. And yes, it’s a balancing exercise, sustainability will have to be introduced in a way that doesn’t cause the economy to go to hell since the environment will suffer even more if that happens.

    The Greens have been wanting to give tax cuts for those that reduce emissions/waste/pollutions for ages – would that do the trick?

    I was blown away by what the Liberal party (a mainstream party of Canada wants to do, which is very similar:

    Using the revenue generated through carbon pricing, a new Liberal government will implement measures like:

    • Significant cuts to the first three marginal rates of income tax;
    • A new, universal child tax benefit worth $350 per child, per year, on top of all existing child benefits;
    • An $850 increase to the employment tax credit, which will also be made refundable and targeted at lower-income Canadians;
    • A more generous Working Income Tax Benefit to help Canadians over the welfare wall;
    • Additional tax credits and incentives for business to encourage innovation and green investment;
    • An increase to the Northern Residents Deduction, and indexation going forward; and
    • An immediate Green Rural Credit worth $150 for every rural tax-filer.


  9. The Liberals in Canada are our Labour.. it’s a bit confusing ’cause the Aussie Liberals are our National.

  10. Stephen 10

    Yeah, should’ve said.

  11. jbc 11

    lprent: So by that rationale you’d also argue that we should reintroduce CFC’s, DDT, 245T, remove scrubbers from coal station chimneys[…]

    I’d agree with your argument if steel was going out of fashion to be replaced by something new and renewable, however in this case wouldn’t we just lose the industry to a country without an ETS and then ship the steel back here?

    Same would apply for Tiwai Pt if that were to close. It would kind-of defeat the prime objective of the ETS if the smelting shifted somewhere with thermal power generation (Australia, China).

    I’m not saying these things will happen: that remains to be seen. Nor am I denying anthropogenic warming. Rather I think the phase-out argument perhaps is not so strong as it is (was) for those other things.

    Or have I missed a major point somewhere?

  12. randal 12

    not ne point but several. lke for instance how many trees must be cut down to cure a kilo of tobacco?

  13. lprent 13

    jbc: The real problem with NZ Steel has been that it has been marginal almost from the day it opened. I’m astonished that it is still there. I had a look at the economics of the plant in the early 80’s when they were doing enhancements.

  14. Phil 14

    how many trees must be cut down to cure a kilo of tobacco?

    Who cares?

    All the good stuff is grown in backyards or engineered in basements. Get with the program R-man.

  15. jbc 15

    lprent: ok – just wasn’t sure about the argument. Hadn’t see anything on the pros and cons of NZ Steel. Hadn’t heard that they might be packing it in either.

    randal: if your comment is in reply to my last sentence then I’ll just say: wow! those steel workers must smoke an awful lot for that to make a difference 😉

  16. Perhaps those on the right, want to listen to both sides of the argument.

  17. Macro 17

    “Perhaps those on the right, want to listen to both sides of the argument.”

    That’s another way of saying – “We don’t like to think about change”.

    There is no argument. The climatic change that is now occurring has been clearly linked to the massive increase in greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere by human activity since the begining of the industrial era. Those nay sayers who hold that we are simply entering another warming phase are way off beam – the facts are quite clear. You can see them for yourself at the WMO websites – The United Nations body responsible for the founding of the IPCC.

    “12. Data collected through WMO’s GOS 19 gives a clear indication that globally averaged surface temperatures have increased since the beginning of instrumental records in 1861. Over the 20th century, this increase was about 0.74°C; however, the linear warming trend over the last 50 years is nearly twice that for the last 100 years. Moreover, analyses of indirect data for the Northern Hemisphere indicate that the late 20th century warmth was unprecedented for at least the past millennium.
    13. Over the same period, the 1990s was the warmest decade, 1998 the warmest year with 2005, the second warmest. Should atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases double compared to pre-industrial levels, the projected temperature rise by the end of the present century would likely be around 3°C.”

    CA-1 April 2007

    The paper also states that these temperature increases are the result of Human activity – and is NOT just the result of a “Natural” cycle.

  18. Matthew Pilott 18

    jbc, the world is pretty crap when it comes to working globally (try to think of three examples). Something like this will only be fixed if there is a global solution.

    If a rich country like NZ shirks the initial costs, how can we expect anyone else to take the responsibility?

    We sign up in an attempt to build an international concensus.

  19. Stephen 19

    jbc, the world is pretty crap when it comes to working globally (try to think of three examples)

    I’ll give it a go: postal system, ozone hole, er…

  20. Matthew Pilott 20

    I knew there was a reason I chose “3” as the number.

    In reality, they are very few and far between. Landmines (but not quite), chem/bio weapons (by and large, there are always a few spoilers), money exchange, postal as you mention.

  21. Stephen 21

    Maybe i’m not as worldly and edjuma-cated as I thought.

  22. Dom 22

    There are heaps of global co-operation examples. Embassies, airline routes, passports, phone systems, internet – all these things require nations to observe basic behaviour in concert. When one doesn’t play by the rules (ie. China and the internet) you realise how many other countries are actually trusting each other and working together.

    Hey, I see the Nat’s science policy has been confirmed. They want to scratch Fast Forward and reduce research based tax credits. Um, why? Also they would fund a “research centre aimed at reducing farm-produced greenhouse gas emissions”.

    Typical bait and switch…it’s not carbon, it’s the cows!

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Government's response to preliminary referendums' results
    Minister of Justice Andrew Little has acknowledged the provisional results of the two referendums voted on in the 2020 General Election. New Zealanders were asked whether they supported the proposed Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill, and whether they supported the End of Life Choice Act 2019 coming into force. On ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New testing requirements for international maritime crew arriving in NZ
    The Government is moving to provide further protection against the chance of COVID-19 entering New Zealand through the maritime border.  “Yesterday I instructed officials to consult with the maritime sector around tightening of the requirements for international maritime crew entering the country,” Health Minister Chris Hipkins said.  “Ultimately, this will ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Fast-tracked Northland water project will accelerate economic recovery
    The Government has welcomed the decision to approve a new water storage reservoir in Northland, the first of a number of infrastructure projects earmarked for a speedy consenting process that aims to accelerate New Zealand’s economic recovery from Covid-19.  The Matawii Water Storage Reservoir will provide drinking water for Kaikohe, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Tokelau Language Week reminds us to stay united and strong
    Staying strong in the face of challenges and being true to our heritage and languages are key to preserving our cultural identity and wellbeing, is the focus of the 2020 Tokelau Language Week. Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio, says this year’s theme, ‘Apoapo tau foe, i nā tāfea ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • NZ announces a third P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    The Government has deployed a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 Orion (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea, announced Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark. “New Zealand has long supported ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Pacific trade and development agreement a reality
    Pacific regional trade and development agreement PACER Plus will enter into force in 60 days now that the required eight countries have ratified it. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the announcement that the Cook Islands is the eighth nation to ratify this landmark agreement. “The agreement represents ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Securing a pipeline of teachers
    The Government is changing its approach to teacher recruitment as COVID-19 travel restrictions continue, by boosting a range of initiatives to get more Kiwis into teaching. “When we came into Government, we were faced with a teacher supply crisis,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “Over the past three years, we ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Border exceptions for a small number of international students with visas
    The Government has established a new category that will allow 250 international PhD and postgraduate students to enter New Zealand and continue their studies, in the latest set of border exceptions. “The health, safety and wellbeing of people in New Zealand remains the Government’s top priority. Tight border restrictions remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • First COVID-19 vaccine purchase agreement signed
    The Government has signed an agreement to purchase 1.5 million COVID-19 vaccines – enough for 750,000 people – from Pfizer and BioNTech, subject to the vaccine successfully completing all clinical trials and passing regulatory approvals in New Zealand, say Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods and Health Minister Chris Hipkins. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • International statement – End-to-end encryption and public safety
    We, the undersigned, support strong encryption, which plays a crucial role in protecting personal data, privacy, intellectual property, trade secrets and cyber security.  It also serves a vital purpose in repressive states to protect journalists, human rights defenders and other vulnerable people, as stated in the 2017 resolution of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Ministry of Defence Biodefence Assessment released
    The Ministry of Defence has today released a Defence Assessment examining Defence’s role across the spectrum of biological hazards and threats facing New Zealand. Biodefence: Preparing for a New Era of Biological Hazards and Threats looks at how the NZDF supports other agencies’ biodefence activities, and considers the context of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago