The left like Red Peak flag coz Nazis

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1. Pascals bookie 1

   7 September 2015 at 10:28 am

   His argument is pretty special though.

   The nazis used the red triangle to mark their opposition.
   ergo, that’s why the left like it.

   Why do the left hate the nazis!!?!
2. Anne 2

   7 September 2015 at 10:30 am

   But I thought we were Commies!!!

   Edit. Should’ve read the actual post. It’s cos we’re all Commies!
3. infused 3

   7 September 2015 at 10:34 am

   What do you expect from him…
4. marty mars 4

   7 September 2015 at 10:39 am

   That list from Lew is a classic. Nice the dim right are so obvious in their dimness.
   • weka 4.1

     7 September 2015 at 11:06 am

     Lew’s tweet made me laugh.
   • Anne 4.2

     7 September 2015 at 11:43 am

     Matthew Hooton said on RNZ he likes the silver fern on the blue/black background. How come I knew that one would be his choice before he even said it?

     Indeed the new meme, as revealed by Hooton, is that anyone who likes the red peak flag is a raving lefty who hates John Key. We are divided along political lines? The right want the blue/black fern and the left want the red peak…
     • lprent 4.2.1

       7 September 2015 at 6:08 pm

       Hah! I don’t want any of the flags including the current one. If I had to make a choice, then I’ll vote for the current one on the basis that it carries the least level of cost to be paid (apart from John Key’s vanity 26 million (and plus – Who thinks that this will stay within budget?)).
       • Karen 4.2.1.1

         7 September 2015 at 6:24 pm

         Same here. Red Peak is better than the 4 chosen by the panel in that it looks like a flag, but it still isn’t a great piece of design. I’m a leftie who will be voting for the status quo even if Red Peak did get onto the ballot.

         The time to change the flag is when we become a republic, and then we need a process that engages actual designers to provide options.
         • Clemgeopin 4.2.1.1.1

           7 September 2015 at 7:17 pm

           +1

           An easy to draw, pleasing to behold design that reflects New Zealand and its heritage.

           FTNF
           FLAG THE NEW FLAGS.
       • Anne 4.2.1.2

         7 September 2015 at 6:50 pm

         If I had to make a choice, then I’ll vote for the current one…

         Couldn’t agree more, but I do see value in red peak (nothing to do with politics dear Matthew!) because it depicts the majesty of our two most famous mountains, Aoraki/Mt Cook and Mt. Taranaki covering both islands. Anyone who can’t see that is aesthetically blind which describes most righties of course. But it should be part of a republic/ constitutional package.

         As for the budget. I said what you said on this site weeks ago. It’ll cost twice as much and JK knew it. He under-estimated cos he soooo wants to win the 2017 election and be the first prime-mincer to win 4 elections in a row. If he has to lie and cheat to do it, so be it. It’s normal practice for him anyway.
         • Clemgeopin 4.2.1.2.1

           7 September 2015 at 7:25 pm

           In the red flag, I also see the depiction of the front of the Maori meeting house. That is a good thong. Do you see it as such?

           However, I will vote to retain the present one for now, and will wait for a future time when the process will be more honest and not manipulated as now.

           CTFFF
           CAN THE FINAL FOUR FLAGS.
           • Clemgeopin 4.2.1.2.1.1

             7 September 2015 at 8:05 pm

             oops…Spelling….2nd line

             That is a good thing.
           • Anne 4.2.1.2.1.2

             7 September 2015 at 8:08 pm

             In the red flag, I also see the depiction of the front of the Maori meeting house.

             Yes I can. A clever flag design.
           • Tracey 4.2.1.2.1.3

             8 September 2015 at 7:59 am

             Aoraki…. a whare? And you wonder why the Right don’t like it?
         • lprent 4.2.1.2.2

           7 September 2015 at 11:05 pm

           The flag is a minor issue for me (apart from costs). Basically John Key and his arse masters shouldn’t get away with this PR crap.

           At this point I don’t give a damn about the flag. I served under one. So far no-one has convinced me that I should encourage other to serve under the flag of John Key – idiot…
         • Tracey 4.2.1.2.3

           8 September 2015 at 7:58 am

           and to whom is all the money going?
       • Clemgeopin 4.2.1.3

         7 September 2015 at 7:12 pm

         Don’t also forget the MILLIONS more that will be needed to upgrade millions of flags, paraphernalia, literature, prints etc all over this country as well as all over the world. All for ‘a-not-asked-for-expensive-and-divisive-stunt’ to satisfy the personal vanity and ego of one man.
     • weka 4.2.2

       7 September 2015 at 7:43 pm

       “Indeed the new meme, as revealed by Hooton, is that anyone who likes the red peak flag is a raving lefty who hates John Key.”

       He was running that line on ts the other day. It serves the cause, it’s all Labour’s fault etc, and prevents any across the spectrum solidarity.

       Plus associating Red Peak with raving lefties lessens its chance of becoming the flag. Which is fine by me. We will end up with the existing flag, all that wasted money, and the Red Peak to use at protests etc. Only it won’t be a lefty flag, it will be a NZ flag that says no to JK.
       • Clemgeopin 4.2.2.1

         7 September 2015 at 8:06 pm

         +1
         Good point!
       • Anne 4.2.2.2

         7 September 2015 at 8:09 pm

         Good one weka.
       • Tracey 4.2.2.3

         8 September 2015 at 7:59 am

         it’s a form of bullying. Making people feel bad or scared to support something they might want
     • Tracey 4.2.3

       8 September 2015 at 7:57 am

       What’s really sad is when he says that now, it is when he is on the wagon.
   • Tracey 4.3

     8 September 2015 at 7:56 am

     made me chuckle
5. freedom 5

   7 September 2015 at 10:40 am

   the WO post
   http://www.donotlink.com/glc7
6. Aaron 6

   7 September 2015 at 10:41 am

   Could this really be one of the top 10 stupidist posts on WhaleOil?

   I mean, the competition for one of those spots is huge!
   • dukeofurl 6.1

     7 September 2015 at 10:53 am

     jUst looking at last week Whaleoil:

     Railed about the home detention monitoring run by Corrections, before realising the monitoring is done by 3M another private contractor.
     Railed about Te Puna Wai o Tuhinapo, a youth justice center in Rolleston and poor supervision, without realising it has nothing to do with Corrections.

     His stupid rate – of his own work, most posts are just free rides on other peoples work- is hitting about ONE PER DAY.

     His whole world is falling apart: expect more stupid stuff.
7. tinfoilhat 7

   7 September 2015 at 10:43 am

   Cameron Slater posts some drivel to get people upset and as usual people take the bait.
   • Pat 7.1

     7 September 2015 at 12:33 pm

     Cameron Slater posts total drivel to get click traffic.full stop.
     • weka 7.1.1

       8 September 2015 at 3:44 pm

       apart from that dirty politics stuff.
8. Bastables 8

   7 September 2015 at 10:45 am

   He does understand that the NAZI’s fought the German communist in street battles in order to create a Facist, racist state right…
   • Lara 8.1

     8 September 2015 at 3:05 pm

     I think that may be too complicated for him.

     It involves more than one idea and more than one person. And he’d have to understand the difference between fascists and communists.
9. Sabine 9

   7 September 2015 at 10:53 am

   this whole flag debacle is just that

   a stupid debacle.
   • tc 9.1

     7 September 2015 at 11:21 am

     An expensive diversion which combined with RWC will likely allow the nact to quietly shuffle a few thousand state houses off the books into private hands.

     The red peak issue is classic DP diffusion/diversion play with cammy running point earning his keep.
10. roy cartland 10

    7 September 2015 at 10:59 am

    The poor man has lost it. His mental health is obviously such that his posts aren’t even offensive any more; just sad, dumb.

    His irrelevance will be starting to sting him now – I’m conflicted, I preferred finding him hateful to boring!
11. Bob 11

    7 September 2015 at 11:04 am

    Just with regards to the Red Peak flag, has anyone thought that John Key doesn’t want it added because he doesn’t want to change the flag at all?
    This is the man that re-instated the Queens Honors after Labour had scrapped them, plus Labour had a change of flag as one of the few policies they haven’t suggested they could scrap, if John Key thought this could be popular why not pick it up and sabotage it?
    David Farrar believes NZ would have voted to become a Republic if given the chance (http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/labour-votes-referendum-republic-dc-148076), has anyone though John Key doesn’t want NZ to become a Republic, so distract with a flag referendum, sabotage it, and use this to suggest NZers don’t want to ditch mother England from the flag, so we obviously don’t want to become a republic either…
    I know a number of commentators on this site love a good conspiracy theory involving John Key, perhaps you are missing one here…
    • Tracey 11.1

      8 September 2015 at 8:01 am

      Nope cos this is about brnading, not about national identiy or his knighthood and propensity to stick his tongue down the back of any celebrity/athlete/royal
12. David Scott 12

    7 September 2015 at 11:05 am

    Since none of us will agree on a flag because it is just too subjective and divisive, how about we shove the whole flag thing up King John’s @$$ where it belongs.

    [lprent: Be warned that you are at toleration of violence boundary. Besides, I’d say that evicting Mike Hosking from his preferred cheek position could constitute cruel and unusual punishment for a simpleton. ]
    • b waghorn 12.1

      7 September 2015 at 12:39 pm

      You’d have to role it up pretty tight to squeeze it past hoskings lips!
13. DoublePlusGood 13

    7 September 2015 at 12:03 pm

    I am left wing, and I hate the red peak flag. Just in case a counterexample was needed.
    • odysseus 13.1

      7 September 2015 at 12:38 pm

      I liked the red peak flag until a 90yr + old woman I know and respect said it looks like a road sign. And now I think she is right. Damn.
      • b waghorn 13.1.1

        7 September 2015 at 12:41 pm

        Auckland- A!!! Is what pops into my head when I see it .
14. Eileen Gregory 14

    7 September 2015 at 12:34 pm

    Yeah – I don’t like the red peak either. A bit eurocentric? A bit predictable?
15. rob 15

    7 September 2015 at 12:46 pm

    I’m a left voter also and think this red peak with all the rest are just not needed at all. embarrassing for NZ IMO.
16. Stephen Dickson 16

    7 September 2015 at 1:05 pm

    I saw red peak added to a bunch of flags beside the French one. It just looked like a variation of that so NO.
17. Draco T Bastard 17

    7 September 2015 at 1:07 pm

    Does that mean that Slater’s liking of silver ferns reminds him of his past perhaps?
18. Psycho Milt 18

    7 September 2015 at 1:12 pm

    It’s another instalment in the “Did you know Hitler was actually left-wing?” meme that’s a regular in Kiwiblog comments. I was ridiculing people for it there just the other day – surprising how often it turns up, but then it’s surprising that anti-vaxxers, chemtrails spotters and 9/11 conspiracy enthusiasts keep peddling their bullshit, too.
19. Matthew Hooton 19

    7 September 2015 at 1:38 pm

    Laila Harre has joined in to the madness. Apparently our local Nazis, the National Front, use the silver fern in their emblem. I guess good design principles mean they should have stuck with the swastika – straight lines, simpler etc.
    The flag debate promises to be a classic!
    https://twitter.com/lailaharre/status/640686184314728449
    • Tracey 19.1

      8 September 2015 at 8:04 am

      In fairness to Harre you well and truly beat her to the madness with your bizarre nazi ranting.

      It’s as though you have no self awareness.

      Enjoy your game-playing.
20. Once was Tim 20

    7 September 2015 at 2:13 pm

    “…..Cameron Slater thinks that the Red Peak flag is favoured by the left because Nazi Germany used to brand political prisoners with an upside down red triangle….”
    etcet era
    I wonder how far past the politically intolerant acid test this repsonse gets (laden as it is with a high degree of cynicism; give as much shite as you take; and all the rest of it ….

    I wonder how Nazi Germany used to brand FAT (by whatever means you choose to use), IGNORANT, UGLY-FUGLY (aesthecially and otherwise), ideologically-driven, smart-bastard, WANNA-BE (who can’t even make it using their own supposed commitment to ideologies/religions), MASTERS-OF-THE-UNIVERSE.
    What colour did they use? Red – tinged with Pink-tinged with Green-tinged with black? And would it have been a star?
    I’ve mixed a lot of leftover paint in my time (including gorgeous Resene shades darlings) – it all comes out to be shit coloured brown – often that colour one encounters when changing a baby’s nappy when he/she has the runs (‘tan’ through Pete George ‘beige’, thru Pagani ‘earth’ thru to your basic Slator ‘shit’). In Cameron’s case, I’m not sure a star is warranted though. Something that symobolizes a load of bird droppings maybe?

    There’s a problem for me though commenting (occasionally on here).
    One can’t call Cameron SLater a FAT UGLY IDEOLOGICALLY-DRIVEN fukwit WITH AN AGENDA – all propped up by a load of regulars we PC call ‘trolls’ without being sanctioned despite being part of that ‘broad church’ the RIGHT they label as HARD LEFT. (and that broad left church wonders why the label ffs!)

    Oh dear!!! I appear not to have contributed to the debate in any deep and meaningful way and I’ve engaged in a-h’s and various other.

    Whilst you all sit there and judge the comment, I’ll ….. well – you all tell me what you think I’ll be doing

    [lprent: I see that you are still whining like a dickhead simply because others think you are a bit of an simple minded idiot. Don’t you ever get tired of making such obvious self-flagellating meaningless comments? Have you ever considered trying to say something that indicates that you have actually thought about your topic? But nope. I guess you like your role in life as being that of a pathetic self-referential dipshit who has had a problem departing adolescence and prefers to just wank around on sites to demonstrate your lack of imagination.

    BTW: I do so like giving professional victims like yourself exactly what they demand… Especially after reading such idiotic drivel. ]
21. repateet 21

    7 September 2015 at 2:49 pm

    You’d been tempted to to say that Slater has ‘lost it’ with this latest drivel. Except of course that he never had it in the first place.
22. riffer 22

    7 September 2015 at 2:53 pm

    What an idiot. I shouldn’t expect better. I can’t even comment on twitter as the creep has banned me. Someone let me know when the revolution starts so we can drag him and his mates into the street and line them up in front of the guillotine.

    [lprent: I have our sharp one here called a banning policy for people advocating violence. You are on it. Banned for a week for (what I am choosing to regard as being) the rhetorical avocation of violence against others.

    And you are right – you are an idiot. ]
    • Muttonbird 22.1

      7 September 2015 at 3:56 pm

      Someone let me know when the revolution starts so we can drag him and his mates into the street and line them up in front of the guillotine.

      Harsh, but fair.
23. katipo 23

    7 September 2015 at 3:02 pm

    Godwin’s law…
    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
    • Bob 23.1

      7 September 2015 at 5:11 pm

      Yip, and here I was thinking that the Nazi comparison would be used to suggest that, like our soldiers that fought under the current flag, Germany should revert to the Swastika because that is the flag millions of Germans fought under…
24. les 24

    7 September 2015 at 7:06 pm

    red peak flag is as bad as the other 4…looks like the Sydney Roosters league team colours,or as someone said…a road sign.
25. Gabby 25

    7 September 2015 at 7:13 pm

    Or the tip of one of the stars on the proper flag.
    • timbo 25.1

      7 September 2015 at 7:20 pm

      I think one of the reasons it’s popular is that the photo of kids waving it on a mountain peak is a nice photo
26. HumPrac 26

    7 September 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Reading through the comments, I noticed none of you have considered the reversed-psychology element within Slaters comment.
    • lprent 26.1

      7 September 2015 at 11:01 pm

      You mean that Slater jnr is trying to reverse out of a cockup. Of course we considered it……

      😈

      Can you suggest a reason why we would let the idiot do that?
27. Marksman33 27

    7 September 2015 at 8:07 pm

    Just have to jump in here, I love to read The Standard, have done for years , but , I really don’t understand why some of you , normally lucid commentators , get dragged into the predictable media bias . Purely not to hear the sound of your own voice I hope, although there maybe a smidgen of truth in that.
    I will say Right Now, I will be voting for our now flag for No other reason than I refuse to let this arsehole Government con me into one of the most important decisions a country can ever have. And no I’m not interested in a 5th flag that some other arsehole decides is good for our country.
    One good thing that comes out of situations like this is that the people that are adamant they are the voice of the left show that they are either, not really left or are sleepers that have been awoken from there torpor. Either way these people are dangerous.
    • Clemgeopin 27.1

      7 September 2015 at 8:28 pm

      Your comment is too abstract, ambiguous and unclear, but interesting.
      Can you give some specific examples to explain what you exactly mean?
    • mickysavage 27.2

      7 September 2015 at 8:31 pm

      I would celebrate the changing of our flag but not in this tradesmark pro All Black politically motivated way.

      Especially by a leader who celebrates our monarchy and is not interested in real constitutional change.

      The left are replying to the politics of Key’s utterly cynical abuse of our democratic system. Kia kaha to them.
      • Clemgeopin 27.2.1

        7 September 2015 at 10:05 pm

        I think this distracting flag change stunt, when there hadn’t been any media polls indicating that the public were clamouring for a change, is just a cunning distracting ploy dreamt up by Key’s expensive Crosby Textor PR outfit. Key does nothing without their say so. Otherwise, he, like Uk’s PM, David Cameron, wouldn’t be employing them at great expense!

        DTFMCC : DITCH THE FOUR MANIPULATED CLAYTON’S CHOICES.
    • lprent 27.3

      7 September 2015 at 10:54 pm

      Jump in. But explain why any of those arsewipe flags is worth dying for. I wouldn’t\. They all look like John Key – a complete self-referential useless and incompetent wanker to me and many many others.

      Mind you so do you…

      Perhaps you could try explaining your position to this ex-soldier rather than being looking like a complete lazy facefuck grunt stuffed in John Key’s arse
      • Tracey 27.3.1

        8 September 2015 at 8:07 am

        Do people really die for a flag? They die for a feeling, a belief, a cause, a country, a way of life but a coloured piece of cloth? I think it over reaches when people talk about dying for the flag, they didn’t, they died for all kinds of things far more important than that. Yes, the flag represented something, and that is what they died for, not the flag.
        • Clemgeopin 27.3.1.1

          8 September 2015 at 8:17 am

          I think to a soldier (and many others), a flag symbolises all that.
          • Tracey 27.3.1.1.1

            8 September 2015 at 3:43 pm

            yes, but they did not die or fight for a flag, is my point.
      • tinfoilhat 27.3.2

        8 September 2015 at 8:56 am

        Perhaps being an ex-soldier explains your frequently abusive posts ?

        Where did you serve ?
        • Grant 27.3.2.1

          8 September 2015 at 9:50 am

          No no.. Joining the army (or any other authoritarian hierarchical organisation) simply creates the necessary atmosphere which allows your NATURAL bastardness to grow and develop and take on a meaningful shape in todays complex society.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOEvS8awmb4
          (Thanks Arlo).
28. RedLogix 28

    7 September 2015 at 10:01 pm

    I was always a Hundertwasser flag fan and I just want to say that while I can accept my choice didn’t make the final four – it truly fucks me off that this hideous abortion rightly mocked as the ‘hypnoflag’ did.

    At that point any remaining shred of credibility this process ever had vanished in a greasy little smut.
    • Clemgeopin 28.1

      7 September 2015 at 10:08 pm

      +1

      I suspect that uninspiring poor design was included just as a token ‘Maori’ offering.
    • Draco T Bastard 28.2

      7 September 2015 at 10:10 pm

      +1
    • Tracey 28.3

      8 September 2015 at 8:07 am

      Thanks RedL

      Sums up my feelings too (including Hundertwasser design.
29. Smilin 29

    9 September 2015 at 8:32 pm

    The whole flag thing from the outset maybe Key couldnt get enough ego gratification from the present flag as he is not enough of a kiwi to feel the depth of history that most of us feel especially on ANZAC Day and to what makes us who we are
    Or maybe a strange sensation came over him that all the spin that his party produces is not the truth about how great he is and that the true conscience of NZers is something that he cant grasp or get past when things are going slow because the Kiwi way is that slow methodical and careful, attributes that he doesnt posses in his management of this nation so up yours Key,” I could see myself managing a small country” Key prior to entering NZ politics

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