ToryAid: Wastewatch (4)

Written By: - Date published: 10:54 am, September 1st, 2008 - 19 comments
Categories: national, slippery, spin, tax - Tags: ,

Because National has abandoned its wastewatch website, we keep track of the ‘waste’ National has promised to cut to pay for those magical, mysterious, cure-all tax cuts. Here’s what they’ve said they will cut:

1) Embassy in Sweden – approx $3 million capital, $3 million operating (why it’s not waste)
2) Badges about Te Reo for school kids – $56,000 (meh)
3) TPK hui – $240,000 (not waste, just veiled Tory racism)
4) The Sentencing Council and Criminal Justice Advisory Board – $3 million a year
Why it’s waste– under National a former currency speculator and a former junior commercial lawyer (neither of whom have any experience governing) wouldn’t need advice from anyone else on running the criminal justice system.
Why it’s not waste– These organisations provide specialist advice on improving the criminal justice system and sentencing.

Cumulative total of National-identified ‘waste’4 cents a week or, 2.8 grams of Mainland Mild cheese a week.

Hmm, they still seem a little way off paying for those tax cuts. But what if National could find some other way to raise money – something that wasn’t technically a tax, like tolls? OK, that still wouldn’t be enough, by the time they pay the private investors their profits, but that’s where the extra borrowing comes in. So, there’s the equation: a few cosmetic ‘waste’ cuts + tolls + borrowing = tax cuts for the rich.

19 comments on “ToryAid: Wastewatch (4)”

  1. Tim Ellis 1

    SP I think you are risking a charge of hypocrisy by saying “a former currency speculator and a former junior commercial lawyer (neither of whom have any experience governing) wouldn’t need advice from anyone else on running the criminal justice system.”

    None of Labour’s Justice ministers in the last nine years have been lawyers. Phil Goff (a political scientist), Mark Burton (a former social worker), and Annette King (a dental nurse), none of whom even have law degrees, let alone were practising criminal lawyers.

  2. Um Tim – I think the point of the post is we need The Sentencing Council and Criminal Justice Advisory Board for just such reasons. Better luck next troll. Chump.

  3. Ben R 3

    “something that wasn’t technically a tax, like tolls?”

    “Popular wisdom may suggest that toll roads are unfair to the poor, but a new joint study by UCLA and USC researchers shows that these pay-as-you-go transportation options may actually be fairer to all income levels than paying for road improvements through sales taxes….

    While economists have long argued for “congestion tolls” on efficiency grounds, this groundbreaking new study suggests that such tolls may, surprisingly, increase equity in comparison to raising sales taxes to pay for transportation facilities.”

    http://www.physorg.com/news138462172.html

  4. Ben R 4

    Not sure how effective badges are, but good story about Rotorua Boys High School yesterday.

    “Despite trailing the statistical millstones of being both male and mostly Maori, the boys at RBHS are also generally outstripping their peers. In 2007, 50.4% of RBHS students passed the all-important Level 3 NCEA, compared to 37.4% at decile four boys’ schools nationally. Take into account that in all schools fewer than 20% of Maori students picked up that gong, and know that these boys are beating the odds. (More than 70 others are sitting the Cambridge International Examinations). RBHS students are also much less likely to take the tempting route of skipping NCEA exams – nationwide one in four students entered for a 2007 NCEA exam skipped it; at RBHS only one in seven did.

    Those who run Rotorua Boys’ are firm believers that boys do best in boys’ schools and they largely stick to the common wisdoms – an emphasis on strong school culture, structure and, of course, sport.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4673929a6619.html

  5. Tim Ellis 5

    That’s a good point robinsod, but I wasn’t trolling and there really isn’t any need for personal abuse.

  6. Daveski 6

    under National a former currency speculator and a former junior commercial lawyer (neither of whom have any experience governing)

    More self-fulfilling nonsense.

    How else can you get experience in governing? HC didn’t have any before she was elected (or rather her party was elected).

    A better question would be – who would be better at governing – a former currency speculator and a former junior commercial lawyer or an academic/university lecturer?

    In fact, given that this site was knocking how unrepresentative the Nats were, isn’t the education sector OVER represented in Labour’s list.

    I’m also getting bored with the ability of posters to accuse the Nats of racism at the drop of the hat without any attempt to qualify or moderate the comments. There’s no substance to support the comment but it passes here without any comment. Sad.

  7. Tim – don’t worry mate – ‘Sod’s abuse is never personal. He just can’t help himself, that’s all!

  8. Felix 8

    Daveski

    “A better question would be – who would be better at governing – a former currency speculator and a former junior commercial lawyer or an academic/university lecturer?”

    If you have an answer to this rather strange question I would love to hear it.

  9. Daveski 9

    Felix – I’m not sure what is strange about it.

    SP has implied on multiple occasions that the Nats don’t have the experience. Clearly, no one has experience of being a PM until they have done it so it’s a nonsensical statement.

    Secondly, SP and others have damned Key for being a currency trader. I could argue that someone who has had experience making financial decisions in the business world would be a better choice as PM than someone with purely academic experience.

    Alternatively, you could argue that job experience is irrelevant.

    Either way, SP’s comments are diversionary at best.

  10. Nick C 10

    Question: Do you agree with Helen Clarks claim that the SFO is secretly slipping information to National? And why not post about it, have you got something to hide?

    [lprent: Provide a links to a reasonably authoritative source. I wasn’t aware that she had. Just at present you look like a rather stupid troll trying to spread a rumour. Yeah looks like it from previous comments. ]

  11. Daveski 11

    Just taking a suck on own kumara … this was a stupid strategy by the Nats in the first case and that may explain why they’ve gone cold on it. Trying to identify “waste” is highly subjective at best which is not to say spending couldn’t be better used in places. What’s difficult is to identify and put a value to it.

  12. Matthew Pilott 12

    Nick C, that’s the worst example of logic I’ve seen on this site. The Standard have not posted on “The Dangers of Running Over A Snake In An Open-Topped Vehicle” lately – what about “The Dangers of Running Over A Snake In An Open-Topped Vehicle” do you think they’re hiding exactly? By your logic, they are hiding something, I’d be really keen to hear from you what you think it may be.

    And what on earth could this blog have to hide over Clark’s claim that the National party recieved information from the SFO? I realise that you’ve made a pathetic attempt at insinuation (at best), but I want to hear you say what you think it is that The Standard are hiding.

  13. BeShakey 13

    “Clearly, no one has experience of being a PM until they have done it so it’s a nonsensical statement.”

    Hopefully you’re missing the point willfully, rather than because of overwhelming stupidity. The experience people have is relevant to their ability to do a job. In case you were wondering thats why people want CVs and interviews when you apply for a job. Clark had buckets of relevant experience before becoming PM. Key has much less. For me it isn’t a clincher regarding whether Key would be an OK (or even good) PM, but its relevant.

    “…someone with purely academic experience”.

    And who would this imaginary person be? I’m not aware of any recent NZ PM that has been elected straight to PM, with only academic experience.

  14. Daveski. Of course, I’m refering to why National doesn’t think it needs advice on criminal justice, not saying only certain professions are the right experience to be PM.

    And, I’m just being a smart-arse but Clark almost certainly had been Acting PM back in 1990 when she was deputy PM.

  15. Quoth the Raven 15

    Helen Clark had been in parliament for eighteen years before she became PM. She was deputy PM and she had many different ministerial positions before that. Contrast that with John Key’s 6 years in parliamnet all of which has been in opposition and what activity in politics was he involved in before that? None. Helen Clark was politically active for years before she made it to parliament. I see they’re criticising John McCain’s running mate for not having enough experience and she’s been in politics for the last 16 years.

  16. Daveski 16

    SP agreed.

    I actually think you’ll get pretty large agreement on the right that HC is an effective leader (disregarding her policies). She has run a tight ship yet has tried for the large part to be transparent.

    All the more surprising that has cuddled up to Winston in the way she has.

    BeShakey – you’re missing my albeit pedantic point. Naturally HC had political experience before becoming PM.

    But if you want to fairly compare JK and HC, you need to do some on their experiences before politics given it is an impossibility for JK to have performed that role. To argue otherwise is nonsensical because as some stage HC wouldn’t have had the experience etc etc

  17. BeShakey 17

    “But if you want to fairly compare JK and HC, you need to do some on their experiences before politics given it is an impossibility for JK to have performed that role.”

    This is where your slippery argument falls down. The fact that no one can have experience of being PM before they get the job doesn’t mean they can’t have experience in politics before becoming PM. Check out Quoths post for some of HCs political experience. Key either can’t even remember his positions on the major political issues of his time, or changes his position depending on the circumstances(including on some issues that occurred while he was an MP).

  18. 240K on a freakin hui, no Steve thats not racism that is criminal.

    [on about a dozen hui involving thousands of individuals all up. munter. SP]

  19. Andy 19

    Getting rid of the Justice Advisory Board is a show of incredible arrogance by the National Party. While I agree with cutting back on bureacracy, this could be easily achieved in areas other than vitally important Ministry of Justice, one of the most complex ministries. The members of this board are incredibly experienced in a wide spectrum of areas. Judges, QCs, leaders of Victim Support and the Salvation Army. When John Key declares that National has all the ideas they need then they should announce them. This board allows input from outside parliament, an essential process in maintaining public confidence and solid democratic governance. I have lost a great deal of respect for National since Key’s justice speech.

    What is needed in this country is a realistic and determined approach toward a system of restorative justice.

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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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