Trump Chicago rally cancelled amid protests

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Seems like not everyone in America is going to roll over for Trump:

Trump rally in Chicago abruptly postponed over safety concerns

A Donald Trump rally in Chicago was postponed at the last minute on Friday, on the advice of law enforcement authorities over “safety concerns” as anti-Trump protesters met supporters of the billionaire in an unruly crowd.

Trump subsequently took to the airwaves to tell his side of the story, telling MSNBC: “It’s sad when you can’t have a rally. Whatever happened to freedom of speech?” …

The aftermath is still unfolding, check out The Guardian’s live blog.


62 comments on “Trump Chicago rally cancelled amid protests”

  1. joe90 1

    The linked Guardian article –

    After the postponement was announced, a Trump campaign statement said: “Mr Trump just arrived in Chicago and after meeting with law enforcement has determined that for the safety of all of the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight’s rally will be postponed to another date.

    Oh look, Trump lied, again.

    9:25 p.m.

    A spokesman for the Chicago Police Department says the agency never recommended that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump cancel his campaign rally in the city.

    CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi tells The Associated Press that the department never told the Trump campaign there was a security threat at the University of Illinois at Chicago venue. He said the department had sufficient manpower on the scene to handle any situation.

    Guglielmi says the university’s police department also did not recommend that Trump call off the event. He says the decision was made “independently” by the campaign.

    Trump cancelled the rally in Chicago due to what organizers said were safety concerns after protesters packed into the arena where it was to take place.

    Trump afterward told MSNBC in a telephone interview that he canceled the event because he didn’t “want to see people hurt or worse.” He said he thinks he “did the right thing.”

    Guglielmi says Trump never arrived at the Chicago venue.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3cdda4be66f74874adaaa31ba49488e1/latest-trump-says-generals-will-play-their-own-game

    • alwyn 1.1

      “Trump lied”.
      What is the “lie” you are talking about.
      The piece you quote says merely that Trump met with law enforcement people and that he decided to postpone the rally. It doesn’t claim that the Police recommended it.
      It is only the Guardian that says he cancelled on the advice of the Police. Trump can hardly be blamed by a false statement by a newspaper that dislikes him.
      Is there something else you are talking about because there is nothing here to justify your claim.

  2. Chooky 2

    ‘Chicago Trump rally cancelled amid protests, chaos’

    https://www.rt.com/usa/335316-trump-rally-cancel-violence/

    …whoever cancelled it made a wise decision

    • OneTrack 2.1

      Yeah, who knows what some twisted totalitarian leftist is likely to do when somebody says something they don’t approve of. Anything for the cause, Komrade, anything for the cause.

  3. Pasupial 4

    “Whatever happened to freedom of speech?”… You’re looking at it.

    There is a long history of violence at Trump events. In the past week alone, an attack on a non-violent protester led to criminal charges against a Trump supporter and Michelle Fields, a reporter for conservative website Breitbart News, was allegedly assaulted by Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager.

    Trump has played a role in encouraging this culture of violence. When the Republican frontrunner appeared in St. Louis earlier on Friday, an event that featured more than 30 arrests, he complained “part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long [to kick protesters out] is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore.” Trump added “There used to be consequences. There are none anymore. These people are so bad for our country. You have no idea folks, you have no idea.”

    Consequences: Freedom to speak implies; freedom to respond, not; compulsion to listen.

    • OneTrack 4.1

      I know you lefties aren’t good at freedom of speech, but the freedom to respond means to respond with an alternative argument ie more speech, not a licence to cause mayhem trying to stop somebody saying something you don’t like. Just sayin.

      • Craig H 4.1.1

        Freedom of assembly is also an important right.

      • Gangnam Style 4.1.2

        Shit stirrer.

      • Ben 4.1.3

        So throwing dildos and brown muck is not OK when you lack the intelligence to come up with a coherent arguement then?

        • weka 4.1.3.1

          Throwing dildos and brown muck IS a coherent argument when you are talking to protofacists.

          • alwyn 4.1.3.1.1

            You are crazy.
            Joyce and Brownlee protofacists?
            Absolutely crazy.

            • AB 4.1.3.1.1.1

              If you take fascism to be a seamless alignment of state and corporate power and ‘proto’ to mean early (or very early), then he is not crazy at all. Certainly a lot less crazy than Key calling Working For Families “communism by stealth”.
              Notice he is not suggesting that it will inevitably move beyond ‘proto’. Nor is he suggesting that any of the surface trappings of early 20th century fascism such as mass rallies and strutting about in uniforms are present,(Though Brownlee might fancy the strutting bit).

              Think before you impugn the mental health of others.

            • weka 4.1.3.1.1.2

              It was a throwaway line in reponse to OneTrack above who was making stupid generalisations. But it’s also true at a less hyperbolic level as AB points out.

            • adam 4.1.3.1.1.3

              A play on words, and of course in this case a humorous response from weka, is not an opportunity to personally attack.

              If you had any civility, you would have responded in kind. But, as we see from you all to often, it’s abuse. An instant attack of a women for for being nuts, for expressing an opinion.

              I for one am sick of this type of response, have a look in the mirror and ask your self why you are such a misogynist.

              • alwyn

                Yes dear.
                Calling someone a fascist, or even a protofacist is not a humorous response to anyone.
                My views don’t depend in any way on whether someone is male or female. If they make sense I applaud. If they are silly I say so. Perhaps you should try it.
                By the way. I know of no rule that requires you to read anything I say. Why bother if it upsets you so much?

                • adam

                  Poor alwyn, not happy to be called out

                  Demeaning is cool for you – no point in forming an argument when you can just abuse a women ah?

                  Silly billy me, for thinking you could act like an adult.

                • Pasupial

                  Just Fuck Off with that Shit Alwyn!

                  If you reply to someone’s comment, then yes; your comment will be read and probably responded to by that person (at least if they’ve got time, I don’t always manage it myself). Saying; “I know of no rule that requires you to read anything I say”, is like claiming that when you phone someone to shout abuse down the line at them, they have no need to listen to you. By the time they realize that your words are empty noise, your bile has already coated them.

                  • weka

                    Let’s also note that I told him what I meant by the comment and he hasn’t replied to that. Because he’s not interested in what people mean, he just wants to be nasty to people he disagrees with politically. Can’t even be honest about it and tries to make out he’s just naming someone’s silly beliefs.

                    I just watched some video analysis of Trump that included quite a few clips of Trump’s nastiness. I though, that sounds like alwyn. The same slurring of the person in demeaning ways and pretending that its politics. It’s not.

                    The reason people are so alarmed by Trump isn’t his politics, it’s that he is deliberately inciting hatred. I don’t know what alwyn’s motivations are, but there is a similar kind of I would hurt you if I could. Trump is scarey because he has a huge amount of power and is actively wielding it to harm people. We’re relatively safe from alwyn but he reminds of the occassional person I’ve known who I wouldn’t trust if I lived in a state with no law and order. They have no inherent morals.

                    • alwyn

                      @weka
                      I suppose I should simply say that, although you occasionally say something sensible, many of your comments can only be regarded as something that is expressed by a bird-brain.
                      I wonder if Adam would regard this as merely a play on words and a humorous comment? He seems to have a very low standard with respect to foolish statements by his friends.

                  • alwyn

                    “If you reply to someone’s comment”.
                    That, as written is quite sensible. However if I reply to a comment by someone called “weka” it doesn’t require that “adam” needs to read it, does it?.
                    Unless they were the same person of course.
                    As for weka’s “It was just a throwaway line”.
                    I don’t regard calling anyone a facist, unless they are Mussolini or Hitler and their cohorts as being in any way humorous. Brownlee and Joyce aren’t and shouldn’t be described as such.

                    • adam

                      Fascism is not just a historical occurrence.

                      Are you really that ignorant alwyn?

                      Do you understand what the definition of fascism is in a political sense?

                      Do you know the differences between ideologies?

                    • alwyn

                      Yes you stupid idiot, I do no what I am talking about.
                      You clearly don’t have the faintest idea.
                      There is no conceivable way in which Joyce or Brownlee can be classed as a facist..
                      Now piss off you imbecile.

      • adam 4.1.4

        OneTrack knows no history, and it shows. Read a book, look at the past, have an well rounded opinion formed from expanding your mind. You might just learn what you said is utter dribble.

        May I point out Emma Goldman, and her campaign for women’s control of their own reproduction.

        Mother Jones, and her campaigns with miners.

        The whole anti-war movement – is engaged in free speech.

        Free speech means I get to say what you don’t like. Like your hate speech will destroy society. That if you say racist and demeaning things, I get to say you are a low life. And If what you says provokes violence and mayhem – then I get to call you on it.

        So OneTrack you have displayed you are an ignorant fool. Which is your right under the freedom of speech. I’m just using my freedom to encourage you to put your brain into gear a bit more, or failing that, let me offer you a napkin.

        • Colonial Viper 4.1.4.1

          The people who attacked the Trump event are not some modern day equivalent of Emma Goldman or Mother Jones.

          Attacking Trump supports the GOP establishment and the leadership prospects of that extreme Tea Partier known as Cruz.

          • adam 4.1.4.1.1

            In context I was pointing out the left have a longer history on freespeech.

            And If the GOP put up Cruz they are toast.

            Their own supporter base won’t vote in the general election. Look at the polls. Their own internal polling shows it.

            the average republican is a supporter of social security, and many basic provisions like Medicaid.

            Cruz, is a lame duck.

            • Pasupial 4.1.4.1.1.1

              This is an interesting piece from one of the protestors inside the building (without their words being refracted through the prism of the MSM):

              1. I am safe.

              2. Trump’s supporters are racist, nativist, bigoted thugs. Some of them are just profoundly ignorant and contrarian malcontents. Others are more dangerous.

              3. Don’t believe the Fox News lie. Almost all of the “fights” were started by Trump supporters. I was pretty close to several of them.

              4. There are lots of very angry and racially resentful white conservatives in this country. I know this to be true as an empirical fact. Seeing it first hand and listening to them behind me in line is another matter.

              5. The Chicago police exercised great restraint. They were professionals.

              6. Black conservative shuck and buck artists are everywhere. Several of them tried to earn points for their white masters by fighting Black Lives Matter and other protesters.

              7. I can be hard on America’s young people. Based on what I saw with the black, brown, white, yellow, and red brothers and sisters at the Chicago rally I think we may somehow be okay.

              8. When it was announced that the Trump rally was canceled some of his supporters looked like they were going to cry. Santa Claus ain’t coming to their house this year.

              9. I am unsure if Donald Trump ever intended to show up. He is a manager of optics and he may have just wanted to try to gain sympathy and win over more of the Reagan Democrats “law and order” types.

              10. There was lots of hippie-punching rhetoric and behavior to be had at the Chicago Trump rally.

              http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/12/1500117/-My-Experience-at-Donald-Trump-s-No-Show-Rally-In-Chicago-With-Video

              I mainly go to Daily Kos for the comics; Tom Tomorrow, K Chronicles etc. But it’s been fascinating reading while the candidate campaign has been going on. Another piece there quotes this Mario Savio speech:

              Trump rallies are modern day cross burnings. They are modern day Nuremberg rallies. Seeing these young people going right into the belly of the beast has made me feel something in my middle-aged gut. These young people, they’re right. They’re amazing. They are taking the blows for the rest of us. I’m glad to see young liberals are joining them. I have tremendous respect for what they are doing. They are showing amazing courage and idealism. I couldn’t imagine attending any political rally for any reason, much less a Trump rally. Even to peacefully protest it.

              http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/12/1499600/-They-are-throwing-their-bodies-on-the-gears

          • weka 4.1.4.1.2

            “Attacking Trump supports the GOP establishment and the leadership prospects of that extreme Tea Partier known as Cruz.”

            I suspect that some of the protestors don’t actually care about that as much as they care about the incitement of hatred that is going on that already directly affects them.

  4. Colonial Viper 5

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the Republican establishment helped set up this protest action against Trump. There will be more dirty tricks against him to come.

    • joe90 5.1

      Soros!.
      /

      tillerylakelady
      ‏@tillerylakelady

      Soros funding #BlackLivesMatter to protest #Trump Rally in Chicago! #tcot

      Alex Seitz-Wald

      ‎@aseitzwald

      Marco Rubio on Fox News: “I guarantee you some of these [protesters] are being paid to do it.”

  5. millsy 6

    Trump is a godsend to the GOP — they can portray him as an extremist and make themselves more moderate when they are nothing of the sort.

    Us lefties can pat ourselves on the backs for keeping Trump out of power, then President Cruz can then sell off the Post Office, Amtrak and the TVA, launch a progrom against homosexuals in the teaching profession and the public service, ban any mention of evolution whatsoever and launch a constitutional amendment banning abortion.

    Cool.

    • Andre 6.1

      Well yes, that was the plan for Rubio. To make it happen the Republican establishment were falling all over themselves telling everybody what a nasty oily PoS Cruz was too. Gonna be interesting watching them walk that back.

  6. joe90 7

    Rachel Maddow on violence at Trump rallies.

    (my bold)

    This is a classic strong man political tactic that we are used to seeing in other countries but not our own. Certainly not in the last 50 years or so, in which political events are generated to bring violence at the edges into the center. So that violence at these events, which may start organically, is in effect spot lit and encouraged to the point where it becomes something that is legitimately out of control of anyone. And then the spectacle of political violence is itself seen as something that is a problem that needs to be solved by this strongman character who incited the initial event in the first place.

    It’s political science in way. It’s not something that we’re used to seeing in American politics. But trying to gin up political violence for its electoral utility is inarguably what we are seeing here. I know the Trump campaign will not say that is what they’re doing. But when you look at the way that Mr. Trump has been talking about the organic existence of both protesters against him and violence toward those protesters at his event, when you look at the way that he has encouraged it in an escalating way leading to this inevitable event tonight in Chicago, I think that it is impossible to say that this is an accident.

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/03/11/rachel-maddow-it-is-impossible-to-call-violence/209204

    • emergency mike 7.1

      Nailed it. Such a sickening sense of deja vu from all this.

    • miravox 7.2

      “So that violence at these events, which may start organically”,

      The thing is – it doesn’t start organically. It’s sitting in people’s heads waiting for someone to say it’s ok to release it.

      Cruz and Rubio are very scary because you know exactly were they stand – and they stand at the worst end of Drumpf’s rhetoric. But they express it differently, which is why they don’t have the similar violence at their rallies (imo).

      He doesn’t approve after the fact, Drumpf gives permission for people to act out on that they already have festering in their heads.

      It’s leadership that allows this to be expressed openly. This is leadership of the worst kind.

      We’ve seen it happen in less violent forms all around the world when the dog whistlers strike a chord.

  7. Steve Wrathall 8

    Indulging in brownshirt tactics and showing they are opposed to free speech. These numpties are playing right into Trump’s hands.

    • joe90 8.1

      Of course they did, Stevie.

      A message from UIC Police Chief Kevin Booker:

      The University of Illinois at Chicago worked with all appropriate agencies to address the security concerns associated with an event of this nature including the Secret Service, Chicago Police Department and Illinois State Police as well as campaign and protest organizers.

      The vast majority of attendees at today’s events exercised their Constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly peacefully.

      The abrupt announcement of the cancellation of the event created challenges in managing an orderly exit from the Pavilion, which nonetheless, was accomplished with no injuries or arrests.

      https://www.facebook.com/uic.edu/?fref=ts

    • emergency mike 8.2

      How about the people who repeat Trump’s spin lines on blogs? Are they playing into Trumps’s hands Steve?

      • North 8.2.1

        Brilliant how seamlessly Wrathall (ACT) aligns with Trump. Pathological though. Like we always suspected re ACT.

  8. Going out to fight your political opponents in the streets isn’t standing up for democracy, it’s just getting into fights in the street. Nett result is most likely extra votes for a politician perceived as a strong man who’ll put a stop to that sort of carry-on. In this contest, that’s Trump. These idiots would have been better off staying home.

    • miravox 9.1

      ” Nett result is most likely extra votes for a politician perceived as a strong man “

      Sometimes it works out that way, sometimes it doesn’t. Immediate thought is the anti-apartheid demos in NZ. The news at the time was vile, but in the end the people who didn’t like disruption could see the hardliners had got out of hand. Short story is that wasn’t good for the political establishment’s longevity.

      • Pasupial 9.1.1

        Psychomilt
        I see your and Joe90’s (quoting Rachael Maddow at comment 7 above) point about this conflict being engineered to serve Trump’s purposes. But there is no evidence (beyond the serial liar Trump’s word) that the protesters were there to; “[go] out to fight your political opponents in the streets”. Perhaps the protesters should have exercised Ghandi-esque passive resistance when confronted by the violence from Trump’s goons, but they didn’t seem to have the practice or discipline (yet).

        It is very easy to take a detached perspective from the other side of the world and talk about ideal actions. On the ground, if you were in Chicago and thought that; “Trump rallies are modern day cross burnings. They are modern day Nuremberg rallies”, then you might be driven to action no matter how flawed:

        There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/12/1499600/-They-are-throwing-their-bodies-on-the-gears

  9. ropata 10

    Trump is scaring the shit out of a lot of people, and enjoying it. The colossal fool is lighting a fire that he won’t be able to control.

    Violence and vulgarity: Admit it. You saw those two words in the title and knew this post was going to be about… https://t.co/ha167VmVJw— PZ Myers (@pzmyers) March 12, 2016

    • weka 10.1

      I’m guessing he doesn’t care.

    • Colonial Viper 10.2

      Just remember that this is a world that the Lefty liberals and the warmongering corporate loving Democrats have also played their part in creating.

      Where Trump has access to a massive undercurrent of anger and cultural alienation consisting of millions of Americans who have been ignored and left behind by the power elite.

      • weka 10.2.1

        Where do you fit into that CV?

        • Colonial Viper 10.2.1.1

          Just a nobody commentator on the other side of the world from the US. Where do you fit into it, weka?

          • weka 10.2.1.1.1

            I think you are using false binaries in your analysis in an attempt to undermine the left. You also have a more grounded and nuanced analysis of class, but I haven’t heard it in a while, or it’s getting drowned out by the divide and damn sloganeering.

            As for where I stand, let’s just say that unlike some Labour critics I’ve never voted Labour.

            (edited)

            • Colonial Viper 10.2.1.1.1.1

              Stating that the Left is stuck in the 19th/20th century, and that the establishment Left is now an integral part of the power elite, is hardly undermining it.

              It’s just pointing out the obvious.

              Plenty of Sanders and Trump supporters get it, for instance.

              • Chooky

                +100 CV

                The fact that Trump is hated by the Republican establishment and he is anti TPPA should give one pause for thought… and imo means he deserves some consideration, despite his other drawbacks

                “Donald Trump said today he would not ratify the TPPA if he become President later this year, as he said (quote) “12 countries are lining up to destroy themselves signing TPPA ” according to RNZ this morning.
                We don’t like Trump but he is right there on TPPA.”

                – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/03/12/what-bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump-have-in-common/#sthash.I2fy5e3C.dpuf

                Trump is also against what USA has been doing in the Middle East

                ‘World would be a better place with Saddam, Gaddafi still in power – Trump’

                https://www.rt.com/usa/319681-trump-saddam-gaddafi-better/

                • Kiwiri

                  Sanders has also just said he won’t send TPP to Congress and will fight any effort to pass TPP:

                  http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/12/sanders-accepts-challenge-kill-tpp-if-elected-nothing-clinton-so-far

                  • Sanders is also the only other candidate to touch on the subject of China and how the states is losing jobs because they can’t compete with the slave labour rates of China. He does not talk about it very much but he is the only other one apart from Trump to actually speak about it. All the rest just ignore it and yet it’s not only a huge issue for the states but for the whole western world that are loosing millions of jobs because of countries that will work their people in similar conditions to those of Victorian England.
                    Isn’t it funny that the only candidates that speak of China are the only two with no backing from the rich corporations?

                • Colonial Viper

                  Thanks for the updates, Chooky and Kiwiri.

              • weka

                It’s how you are saying it and that you don’t say anything else that’s the problem. The false binary plays into the hands of people like Trump.

                I’m not sure if I would believe you if you are saying you don’t want to undermine the left.

                • ropata

                  Does that mean we should all support Hillary? Vomit.

                  Honestly, she’s probably just as bad as Trump, at least he hasn’t actually committed any war crimes (yet)

                  • weka

                    I don’t buy the war crimes argument. The guy is trying to incite a civil war at home. Probably better for the world than fucking over another country, but he’s not less damaging, his targets are just different.

  10. Sorry, but I am suspicious, although to many people Trump may be a racist insane bigot you do have to wonder why the rich in the states hate him so much and don’t want him to be the nominee. I can guarantee that their motives will be to do more with money than the safety of people or worrying that the republicans will loose to Hilliary with Trump.
    I think they are shit scared because he is going to do something about China and its about to cost the corporations billions which by the way, I think would be a good thing. Anyone here who disputes that then must support the slave labour laws that the Chinese force on their peasents that makes their economy so powerful and steals the jobs from ours. Trump has a lot of faults but his views on China are not one of them.
    I am suspicious of these sudden attacks at his rallies as they were not occurring four weeks ago. Don’t put it past the corporations to set this up by winding people up with Trumps racists slogans and the fact that he is doing so well in the primaries. I think people need to think further about Trump and ask themselves why is it that the 1 percent rich in America are starting to panic about his popularity. I bet my bottom dollar it has something to do with all the billions they will loose if they loose their acces to the chap slave labour of China.

  11. I just wonder who the first one to throw the stone. I mean, the supporters of Trump’s ideas can sometimes lose their temper very quickly but it might have been the opposition’s fault as well. It must have been really tough there though, since safety concerns usually means something big

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    2 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    2 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    4 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    4 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    4 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    5 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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