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Wee gripes: temporal confusion and the recession

Written By: - Date published: 1:28 pm, September 2nd, 2009 - 13 comments
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The Herald editorial this morning calling for mining DoC land: “That resource represents wealth which this country is in little position to ignore. Such is especially the case when the value of gold is particularly high, as is usually so in recessionary times.”

Nick Smith on why the ETS needs to be gutted: “we’re in the middle of a recession”

Any mining that takes place won’t get underway until after years of surveys, planning, applications, court cases. The ETS is coming gradually into effect. The biggest emitting sector, agriculture, doesn’t come in until 2013.

The economists think that the recession either is over or will be over by the end of the year. It’s not a basis for policy coming into effect years into the future.

13 comments on “Wee gripes: temporal confusion and the recession ”

  1. This is why investors won’t invest in this country, there will always be some little community group who wants to feel important who will try and stop progress.

    • snoozer 1.1

      how is coming here, digging up our minerals, making a great big profit and leaving with only a mess to show for it ‘investment’?

    • Tigger 1.2

      BD – This sort of claptrap should only be uttered in closed door meetings of the ACT party. Posted here in the light of day it simply looks embarrassingly facile.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.3

      Destruction of the environment is not progress.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox 1.4

      I’m sure the Nauruans called it progress too when they were trashing their island for superphosphate

  2. outofbed 2

    depends what you mean by progress I suppose
    Opening up doc land so that Australian mining companies can make even bigger profits with questionable gains for the average kiwi , doesn’t seem like progress to me

    • indiana 2.1

      Why can’t we start our own mining companies and recruit these Aussies to train our people and go from there?

      Why can’t we go into a joint venture, with a NZ 60% Foreign 40% ratio to keep profits in NZ?

      Why can’t we reinstate the environment after mining?

      Are we saving our minerals for a rainy day?

      • ieuan 2.1.1

        Careful indiana, such sane, rational ideas will see you banned.

        [no, sane contributions have never got anyone banned. it’s only the abusive pricks we have to get rid of so it doesn’t become kiwiblog]

      • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2

        We already train the Chinese how to mine so that’s not needed.

        What for?

        Mining tends to poison the environment and that can’t be rehabilitated – it will be there for centuries getting into your drinking water.

        Better than using them all up now.

  3. Richard 3

    Easy for the Herald to say that, as you can be sure such mining wouldn’t happen in their backyard. More like in my backyard (SI West Coast). Of course the usual fools will bleat that this would be good for the region, but mining will be by multinationals with few profits staying in NZ let alone the West Coast.
    Why threaten sustainable tourism industries (and jobs – Tourism is a huge employer on the West Coast) with unsustainable industries?
    Would the Herald editors change their tune if a huge coal seam was found under the Waitakeres? Or the Hunua’s? Or Rangitoto Island.
    I’m not calling them Nimby’s – I’m calling them dickheads.

    • ieuan 3.1

      Have you heard of ‘Solid Energy’? You know that government owned mining company who have a number of mines on the West Coast of the South Island.

      They not only employ a large number of people they also return their profits to the government and therefore indirectly to the tax payer.

      Do you actually know anything about where the coal reserves in New Zealand are?

      Honestly Richard reading your contribution here I would certainly refrain from calling others ‘dickheads’ because your just embarrassing yourself.

  4. side show bob 4

    Good to see agriculture not coming in till 2013, not that this really matters. Hopefully by then the people of New Zealand will have had enough of this con, it will hurt the ones that can least afford it the most. But you have to admire Gore and his fallow henchmen they could sell sand to the Arabs. They have sure sucked in Labour and the Nats, it’s like the blind leading the blind.

  5. Galeandra 5

    SSB, you must surely be one of Dubya’s most “fallow” henchmen ?
    We are all a bit short-sighted when it comes to science and the future but conservative use of precious resources like fresh air, pure water and healthy forest seems pretty sensible.
    Economy is of no value if we end up living in a wasteland so I fail to see why using the tools of the market to solve environmental damage perpetrated by those who are driven by the market, should make Gore a con man.

    Unless you are referring obliquely and (half) wittily to his attempt to provide planetary air con?

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