Where would you get that idea? 2

Written By: - Date published: 12:04 am, April 8th, 2009 - 21 comments
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Well, Granny Herald breaks the news: “NZ’s murder rate halved in past 20 years”:

New Zealand’s murder rate appears to have almost halved in the past 20 years despite an overwhelming public belief that crime has got worse

An overwhelming overwhelming public belief that crime has got worse? Where would we the dumb old public have got that idea? I know – perhaps from these recent Herald headlines:

  • David Garrett: Our more violent society demands a more punitive prison system
  • Number of murders rises sharply
  • Rise and rise of fatal knife violence
  • NZ’s poor violent crime rating ‘no surprise’
  • Why have we become such a violent society?
  • Minister ‘in denial’ over crime rate
  • Act outlines campaign for harsh, quick justice
  • Hide pushes tougher law and order stance
  • Is increased violence damaging NZ’s image abroad?
  • Jump in boys’ violent crimes alarms judge
  • Nats: We’ll end parole for repeat violent offenders
  • National keeps parole hard line
  • Alarming figures on teenage crime
  • Family violence blamed for rise in crime figures
  • Huge increase in pleas for help to end violence
  • Crime out of control, say fed-up marchers
  • Family offending pushes violent crime up
  • Police have no faith in crime statistics
  • NZ becoming hotspot for ‘crime tourism’

And so on. Individually each one an attention grabbing headline – no harm surely? But collectively, over years, they amount to misleading the public. Newspapers used to acknowledge their duty to educate and inform. What are they for now, apart from selling advertising?

21 comments on “Where would you get that idea? 2”

  1. Pat 1

    [Deleted]

    Don’t get yourself out of bed, LP. I’ll invoke some Kiwi Can-Do attitude and ban myself. Good luck with Twyfords campaign.

    [Tane: The guest posts are a result of the call we put out a couple of months back, and they seem to have encouraged more people to send them in.

    We’ve found people don’t tend to want to have their names on guest posts, but they’re all contributed unsolicited by regular readers of the blog, and most of them as you’d expect are by people who already comment here. This one’s been waiting to go up since the weekend.]

    • r0b 1.1

      Just in case Pat is seeing conspiracy theories everywhere, I can confirm that I, for example, have been contributing a few guest posts lately.

      I contribute them as unsigned guest posts not because I’m shy of my opinions (I’m a fairly active commenter here after all). It’s because I think a good volume of unsigned guest posts is a good idea, I think it creates an environment in which others who are a bit shy feel more confident in coming forward with a guest post of their own.

      Long live the guest post.

  2. gingercrush 2

    New Zealand’s murder rate appears to have almost halved in the past 20 years despite an overwhelming public belief that crime has got worse

    Do fewer murders necessarily mean there is less violent crime and less crime in general?

    • r0b 2.1

      Not “necessarily” – everything depends on how you classify and count things.

      But crime has been falling.

      There has been an increase in the reporting of domestic violence (one from of violent crime), but this is due to a publicity campaign about reporting it, probably not due to any increase in the underlying rate. Other categories of violent crime have been falling, as is the overall crime rate.

      You wouldn’t know any of this from reading The Herald.

    • lprent 2.2

      As far as I can see, yes. There are always problems with interpretation because of changes in classification.

      But it looks like what has changed has been the number of crimes reported and the number of arrests. The largest growth area has predominantly been in family violence. This is what the police say and have been saying.

      The increase in police relative to the population has allowed this to happen – they have been almost doubled in size over the last decade, both in sworn and unsworn staff. This enabled allowed more crimes to be handled and investigated. What you have to remember is that NZ is still under-policed per head of population.

      One area that they have been concentrating in over the last decade has been family violence as a precursor crime. The new attitude is that if you handle this, then there are less problems later – ie it is preventative. So the majority of violent crime increases have been in the reporting and handling of family violence cases.

  3. Dan 3

    Bait and switch- so predictable on the part of the Herald- if only there were fewer gullible members of the NZ voting population.

  4. vto 4

    The newspaper template seems fundamentally flawed with no fix in sight. You’re correct in that the main aim is revenue through selling advertising and as such readership is more importnt than anything else, such as good journalism etc. This would appear to be the flaw.

    Received our subscription bill yesterday and considered stopping it. Honestly, these days a skim is all that a newspaper is worth to find out the headlines and then go to the net to get the backup.

  5. jcuknz 5

    You remind me of the saying “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”

    I lock my house door, though occasionally find that I have left my car unlocked, on the basis of “not to put temptation in people’s way”.* The one time I had occasion to call the police I was embarrased as hell to find that I had left my car unlocked and this group of teenagers waited for a lift down the road outside my house and one jokingly suggested that they should convert my car. But I admit I am glad that I have a bright street light on the corner of my section which removes the need for me to organise an outside light. * when for instance I do some gardening up the back of my section and out of sight of my door.

  6. Tigger 6

    I for one am alarmed at the fall in murder rates. Falling rates mean less productivity among murderers and this must cease immediately if we are to become the great murderous nation we once were. We must insist the government does something about this terrible downward trend although I assume our wonderful PM will remain optimistic that murder rates can reclaim the glory they had 20 years ago…

  7. BLiP 7

    And which political party fed for years and years this meadia driven climate of fear effectively terrorising the people and deliberately targeting marginalised .communities to leverage their votes . . .

    Such are the base depths ACT will go that they would subject pensioners and new immigrants to terror tactics to such an extent that despite presentation of the facts many are still left feeling as if:

    Violent crimes had reached an all-time high and the community ceased to feel safe in their homes

    Given the diverse ethnic composition of the Mt Albert electorate and the upcioming byelection we , no doubt, can expect more of this filthy behaviour.

    • vto 7.1

      blip “Such are the base depths ACT will go that they would subject pensioners and new immigrants to terror tactics”

      Do you seriously think only ACt has indulged in this kind of behaviour? I recall Labour doing similar with fake notices to state tenants in the 05 election. Similarly with most all parties methinks. Balance up your imbalances..

      • BLiP 7.1.1

        There’s a difference between a one-off advertising goof up and a sustained systemic and sometimes secret campaign designed specifically to frighten people with false information so as to secure their vote.

  8. tommy onions 8

    “Newspapers used to acknowledge their duty to educate and inform. What are they for now, apart from selling advertising?”

    Tk tsk – silly question – they are still there to educate and inform people.

    They educate and inform people on the pre-eminence and benefits of capitalism and the flaws and pitfalls of any other way of organising production and reproduction.

    They tell people the king’s new clothes are not just glorious but that, appearances to the contrary, they are manufactured by happy workers content with their lot.

    They reinforce the myths that it requires brains and talent to make money and if you cannot make money you lack brains and talent.

    They help perpetuate the conjoined twin cults of celebrity and appearance enhancement.

    In sum – they play their part in papering over the ever-widening cracks in the walls of Richistan. They thereby contribute to their own demise because the rulers and apparatchniks of Richistan believe the masses should be content with soap operas and reality tv.

    But, a ‘quality’ newspaper also has to maintain at least the appearance of impartiality – so dissenting voices do appear.

    In this respect I have to congratulate the Press for its Perspective Page – which allows for a variety of opinion on a wide range of subjects.

  9. Lew 9

    What are they for now, apart from selling advertising?

    vot has it right – what were they ever for?

    Educating and informing are just vehicles for selling advertising – vehicles which have largely been deemed less efficient than celebrity and scandal and fearmongering and tits on page 3. If you want media which inform and educate, demand them – only consume those which do. Of course, if you do this you run the risk of existing in a reality bubble different from the reality of those who consume all media, but that might be a worthwhile trade.

    The simple economic fact is that until people demand it, nobody will supply it.

    L

    • Rex Widerstrom 9.1

      Newspapers and magazines, most of which are experiencing falling circulations, supply tat and tits. They attribute their demise at least in part to the internet.

      While there’s no shortage of tat or tits online, there’s also analysis, intelligent opinion, in-depth reportage and much else that is missing from said magazines and newspapers.

      So it could be argued consumers are demanding information and education, and going to where they can get it.

      Publishing companies seem unable to grasp this and instead thrash round looking for ways to “diversify” and “cut costs” to keep the ink from turning red.

      I could be wrong, but that suggests to me that what’s needed is a publisher willing to invest in intelligent print media… and invest for long enough to allow it to gain a foothold.

      However, printing words on paper is never going to be as profitable as it once was, so perhaps the motivation needs to include something else… like a desire to foster debate round a particular political philosophy, say.

      Which is why I can’t understand why non-traditional publishers (or producrs, for that matter) with a bit of capital – from the BRT to the CTU – aren’t rushing to fill the gap.

      Of course they’d need to accept that they’d be funding genuine media and not some upmarket version of The Socialist Worker (or Fox News but with Paul Henry instead of Bill O’Reilly)… NZers are too smart for that.

      Contrary to popular belief there are enough quality journos in NZ who’d be able to make it work. Their professionalism would moderate out most bias, and the fact they’d be drawn from across the spectrum of views would do the rest.

  10. Bill 10

    So our future prospects (and those of our kids) are being slaughtered by governmental responses the to financial sector collapse. But our chances of living through it, if not quite surviving it, are far greater than might have been the case.

    Glass half full then…of soon to be expensive, low grade privatised water that will part quench the thirst for profit. Things just keep getting better. Well done Granny!

  11. Rex Widerstrom 11

    Oh you ain’t seen nothing when it comes to misrepresenting crime reports.

    Australia’s yellow media is ahead even of NZ’s but I’m sure it won’t be long till we catch up.

    I’m just so ****ing angry about this disgusting travesty in which a crime victim was exploited (or, as the Supreme Court Justice put it made “victim of a metaphorical mugging by the newspaper”) that I think I’d better let the story speak for itself lest the air round The Standard turns blue.

    • Pascal's bookie 11.1

      I understand that you’re upset Rex, but reality wasn’t conforming to their market needs mate. They was trapped, had no choice really.

  12. Chris G 12

    Gee I must say Eddie I’m loving these posts where you find all the newspaper quotes n’ that.

    Some quality dedication.

  13. Eddie 13

    Thanks, but I can’t take credit for this one. It’s a guest post.

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  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
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  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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