A letter of thanks from Nicky Hager

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1. Ben 1

   21 December 2015 at 3:20 pm

   No sympathy, Hager received stolen property and used it for his own financial gain. As the saying goes “You make the bed you lie in”.

   He gets the award for Hypocrite of the Year.
   • Lanthanide 1.1

     21 December 2015 at 3:41 pm

     Yip, let’s just focus on the messenger, and not the message, eh?

     You should be equally (or more) upset at Whale Oil for working as a paid shill for various companies without publicly stating it.
     • Tracey 1.1.1

       21 December 2015 at 3:46 pm

       Perhaps when hager embarrassed clark creating corngate, Ben was a fan? Of course that woud make him a hy…..e.
   • Kevin 1.2

     21 December 2015 at 3:45 pm

     So by your fucked up reasoning Ben, Woodward and Bernstein should have been prosecuted?

     Seeing as how they worked for a newspaper that made money from selling newspapers…
   • fender 1.3

     21 December 2015 at 3:50 pm

     Ben sleeping all ya life have you. The book was written to expose the dirty creeps and their MO
     • fender 1.3.1

       21 December 2015 at 4:07 pm

       And besides, no need for sympathy, well calibrated scales of justice will do just fine!
   • Tautoko Mangō Mata 1.4

     21 December 2015 at 4:00 pm

     Hypocrite of the Year should surely go to John Key for bringing back Royal Honours while advocating for a flag with the Union Jack removed. Nicky Hager has integrity which is a quality which is poorly understood by many of the political right who just cannot understand people who do something for the good of others rather than the financial return.
     • greywarshark 1.4.1

       21 December 2015 at 4:30 pm

       Altruism does not exist in neo liberal theory. All things done bring personal gain of some sort in their view, and therefore generous or sacrificial actions arise from the self-centred pursuit of goals or satisfaction .
     • Tautuhi 1.4.2

       21 December 2015 at 6:53 pm

       The neoliberal philosophy worship the $, a social conscience does not enter the equation, it is all about how much money you have and the status attached to your net worth.
     • Tautuhi 1.4.3

       21 December 2015 at 7:18 pm

       JK probably does not even understand the symbolism of the NZ Flag and its meaning, most Maori People I speak to are against changing the flag as the Union Jack represents the partnership between the Maori Chiefs and British Crown which was systematically undone by the Settlor Governments who failed to honor the TOW, tell JK to talk to Turnbull and get them to change their flag as they copied ours?
       • Tautuhi 1.4.3.1

         21 December 2015 at 7:22 pm

         Don’t like the Weet Bix Flag to be totally honest?
   • NZSage 1.5

     21 December 2015 at 4:07 pm

     Yep Ben, in your world it’s all about the money eh?
   • lurgee 1.6

     21 December 2015 at 5:05 pm

     No sympathy, Hager received stolen property and used it for his own financial gain. As the saying goes “You make the bed you lie in”.

     Yeah, bollocks. Hager identified a matter of important public interest and brought it to public attention.

     You’d be calling for Woodward, Bernstein and Deep Throat to be jailed, wouldn’t you?
   • Paulq 1.7

     21 December 2015 at 6:20 pm

     What a hateful person you are.
   • Wainwright 1.8

     21 December 2015 at 7:37 pm

     It’s called public interest and if you think there’s money in books do sod off and write one.
     • TE 1.8.1

       23 December 2015 at 11:17 am

       +100 🙂
   • One Anonymous Bloke 1.9

     21 December 2015 at 8:06 pm

     I’m sure the compensation payout will more than make up for the whinging wingnuts whinging and whinging and whinging 😆
   • savenz 1.10

     22 December 2015 at 10:13 am

     @Ben – is the government going to change the judiciary now, that they lose so often in court due to their constant illegal actions?

     Kelsey, Hager, underpaying of carers of disabled people, underpaying of beneficiaries….

     Welfare for financial gain… my first thoughts are Saudi businessmen in need of some charitable donations or SkyCity convention center hand outs to encourage more gambling….
   • JonL 1.11

     22 December 2015 at 4:21 pm

     Pathetic clown!
2. Tracey 2

   21 December 2015 at 3:44 pm

   Kia kaha Nicky. Keep their feet to the fire.
3. esoteric pineapples 3

   21 December 2015 at 3:45 pm

   I find the most satisfying way of saying “stuff you” to people screwing up the environment, workers rights, etc is to make a donation to those fighting them. I highly recommend it to everyone.
   • lprent 3.1

     21 December 2015 at 4:24 pm

     So do I. If they are rational, well argued, and reliant on facts in making their argument (right or wrong)* than I will support them. But I’m pretty selective and finicky about who I will support.

     It has been a pure pleasure supporting this one because of the clarity of the process. Because it was so well supported it will lead to a fundamental shift in how the police, crown bodies, and others are able to request ex parte search warrants and presumably other ex parte court orders. It is quite apparent that in this case that trust process was deliberately abused (just as it was with this case Judge scammed by a legal idiot and his pet pest).

     In this case the abuse of the duty of candor was by the lay police rather than a lay civilian. However in either case is there is no real recourse by the court for being lied to (by omission) in the way that there would be for a member of the bar. Perhaps that should be changed. In my view the law should be changed so that contempt of court proceeding could be initiated against the individuals making such submissions by the judiciary for such breaches of trust.

     I’m just reading the decision of Justice Clifford at present (Hager v Attorney General (PDF 500K)). There isn’t a lot of scope for the police to appeal in that unless they want to try to overturn the common law of the duty of candour in ex parte applications.

     * ie not one of those nutty ‘justice” hang-em-high freaks at LF pursuing their own vendettas (read almost any post at LF), or the slavering ratings watching hypocrites at Whaleoil or most of the shock jock radio/tv shows (thing of that idiot Mike Hosking as an example – he makes Cameron Slater look rational).
     • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.1

       22 December 2015 at 4:54 pm

       It has been a pure pleasure supporting this one

       Ditto.

       it will lead to a fundamental shift…

       You are confident in this conclusion?
       • George Hendry 3.1.1.1

         22 December 2015 at 6:19 pm

         One is never sure, except to say that more will have been achieved than would have been gained by doing nothing.

         To me this looks like real democracy in action, transparent all the way, from the ground up and in response to the genuine leadership that Mr Hager has provided. Not that I imagine he would ever wish to be PM, this looks like the way a real PM would behave.

         Perhaps LPrent would be kind enough to give us Nicky’s account details again (could simply ask Westpac) so we can start funding the next case.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.1.1.1

           22 December 2015 at 6:33 pm

           I agree with both of your first two paragraphs, and I’m still curious as to the source of lprent’s optimism.

           I can see why Justice Clifford’s judgement and Pete George vs. Rabid Fuckwit are relevant…I probably just need to think about it for longer.

           Perhaps it’s that lawyers become judges…only human and all that…

           Nope – maybe these cases set a precedent…which other judges are required to consider? Genuine question – if so, how does it affect the tendency for establishment types to issue warrants?
           • George Hendry 3.1.1.1.1.1

             23 December 2015 at 9:27 am

             Caveat – I prefer being optimistic because being pessimistic is just too depressing and needlessly damaging to the quality of life.

             That said, this looks like a model for future democratic involvement, a highly effective, peaceful (and all the more effective longterm for being so) and concerted social response to police corruption and political malfeasance. A ‘Nicky Hager focus group’ affair which has to be reckoned with by corrupt rulers when plotting their next deviancies.

             No one donates mindlessly to a cause like this, as those of us who do will all be aware that to do so is to stick our necks out to some degree. Awareness, plus working together, plus keeping at it, one brick at a time, average social awareness rises ever so gradually till one day we all know too much to elect a court jester ever again.

             They don’t like us watching, they know they’re corrupt, or why would they lie about it so. We have to keep watching them, and part of that consists in the risk we take to do it. Through risk and pain society grows up.
   • Ad 3.2

     21 December 2015 at 4:29 pm

     +100
4. wyndham 4

   21 December 2015 at 3:58 pm

   Aii power to you Nicky – – – and to that wonderful sister of yours.
5. Chooky 5

   21 December 2015 at 4:43 pm

   Go Nicky Hager and family …have a great Xmas and holiday !

   …we will toast you Nicky Hager for fighting for and upholding democracy through fearless investigative journalism!
   • Tautuhi 5.1

     21 December 2015 at 7:00 pm

     Apart from Nicky Hagar who actually has a pair of g****s, Investigative Journalism is virtually dead in NZ, close similarities to East Germany and the Stasi Network.
6. lurgee 6

   21 December 2015 at 5:10 pm

   If the right were capable of coherent, logical thought, they’d be as appalled by the police raid on Hager as the left. It represents a disturbing abuse of power by the state. Any principled rightwinger would be able to look beyond the tribal aspect of “their team” being discomfited and see that “their team’s” behaviour was worrying for people opposed to the state apparatus acting as an unlawful bully.
   • lprent 6.1

     21 December 2015 at 5:53 pm

     It happens irrespective of the flavour of the government. The police cases against animal rights activists or the tuhoe camps and just about every activist left group in the last Labour government suffered from exactly the same level of institutional intimidatory stupidity in the police and a blatant disregard of the process of the law by them. The only real difference was the lack of a direct political motivation from the government of the day.

     The desired effect appeared in all of these cases to be a chilling of the level of peaceful debate in society. Hell, from the police tactics it appeared to me like they wanted to force people to go underground to provide them with better sport…
     • Tautuhi 6.1.1

       21 December 2015 at 7:09 pm

       I don’t think we have particularly smart/intelligent people in the NZ Police or Security Services here in NZ, the quality of intelligence information is often questionable ie the raid on the Puha Gang in the Ureweras which made world headlines, based on a terrorist cell in the outbacks of NZ, it is all designed to put fear into the hearts of New Zealanders that we are under threat and observation by our own security services. Sick society we live in.
       • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1.1.1

         21 December 2015 at 8:12 pm

         If intelligent New Zealanders are attracted to other professions than police work, what would be unusual about that?

         Are cops in other countries noted for their IQ?
   • Pat 6.2

     21 December 2015 at 5:59 pm

     except that historically the power of the state (read deep state) supports the “right”…so perhaps its not surprising the right is unconcerned
7. Pat 7

   21 December 2015 at 5:18 pm

   it shows the measure of the man….I doubt the same would occur from his opponents direction…certainly not wth the same tone.
8. Whateva Next 8

   21 December 2015 at 6:07 pm

   Great that Nicky felt buoyed by the tangible support, and cannot think of any other way the appalling behaviour of govt ministers using an attack blog to do their dirty deeds, would have been exposed.The ends justify the means, so let’s not get distracted by nonsense arguments about “stolen emails”.
   • Tautuhi 8.1

     21 December 2015 at 7:11 pm

     Anyone heard anything about Jason Eade and the hacking of the Labour Party Website?
     • Anne 8.1.1

       21 December 2015 at 8:21 pm

       http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11490084

       The LP said they were “going to seek legal advice ” but, as always, nothing happens. I don’t know whether it’s because of a lack of money or a lack of spine.
9. Mulling it over 9

   21 December 2015 at 6:35 pm

   Greg O’Connor gave a excellent example of the “straw man” technique on Morning Report today, when he told us that there wasn’t a political advisor in the police force pulling the strings.
   Was anyone else concerned about his comment (haven’t had time to do a transcript) the gist of which was that the Police pay more attention to cases that have a high media profile?
   • Tautuhi 9.1

     23 December 2015 at 4:37 pm

     Why didn’t the Police raid Jason Eade’s office?
10. Pat 10

    21 December 2015 at 7:20 pm

    lol…Mr O’Connor lost credibility a long time ago…am surprised RNZ settled for a comment from him…obviously no one in a position of authority was willing to comment
11. Wainwright 11

    21 December 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Nice one Nicky,.
12. Manuka AOR 12

    22 December 2015 at 9:46 am

    The best news, leading into the new year..

    Cheers!
13. savenz 13

    22 December 2015 at 10:18 am

    Well done Nicky Hager for standing up in such a humble and intelligent way! He deserved all the donations and I hope he gets the compensation he deserves.

    Send a message Nicky! A ground swell of support is behind you!
14. upnorth 14

    22 December 2015 at 4:58 pm

    I understand process and process was wrong and so I say well done but there is some issues for me.

    Hager said he lawyered up when he wrote the book. Fair enough hot potato stuff but part of the analysis would be that he would be asked about his source. This could come from various ways – police complaint number one.

    Why does Hager ask for donations on legal fees when he made money from the book?
    If he is awarded costs then will Hager refund all the donated money?
    At what stage does he provide the real details behind the book – at this stage the book is sensational in nature, interesting read for people interested in politics but the reality is and still is – national stormed to victory so the public gave their final determination on the book – no one really cared.

    Jobs, education, health, environment are what people are thinking about – cut and paste emails is about as exciting as watching my dog play with a piece of paper.

    I hope all that donated get their money back if Hager is awarded costs plus some additional compensation – remember he knew what he was doing from day one.

    I had an interesting chat with a person about the fact – how do you check on people when the people who break news are doing their own private investigations? I hope you get my drift on this. I am a decent person and whatever you think of WO it was still stolen property – I think black ops got confused with what it all really is – politics.

    This I believe is the whole confusion on the matter – politics be it left or right is all about being ahead of the opposition.

    I personally still in Father Christmas so for 95% of the general public I will be kicking back over the festive season and Hager will be the very last item on my list of things I will be caring about.

    the people voted a re-sounding no to the book – it is just a fact plain and simple – time to accept this point and move on
    • fender 14.1

      23 December 2015 at 1:34 am

      Yeah I think I get your “drift”, you’re decent enough to accuse Hager of hacking.

      “…. politics be it left or right is all about being ahead of the opposition.”

      Yeah but not at any cost like the indecent subjects in the book. Read it.

      “I personally still in Father Christmas so for 95% of the general public I will be kicking back over the festive season and Hager will be the very last item on my list of things I will be caring about.”

      I think you’re trying to say you still believe in Father Christmas, so do 95%, and that you’re going to ask him to stop you from commenting on blogs related to Hager. Or do you mean the Dirty Politics book is the last item on your list for Santa?

      The people did vote, it was a General Election, not a referendum on a book.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 14.2

      23 December 2015 at 6:05 am

      Upnorth, move on all you like: we’ll be more than happy to drag you back to have your face rubbed in it some more. After all, it’s no less than you deserve.
    • Brigid 14.3

      23 December 2015 at 10:11 am

      “I hope all that donated get their money back if Hager is awarded costs plus some additional compensation ” Oh please! Of course you don’t.
      And I actually don’t need, nor want you to be concerned about what happens to money I’ve donated.

      I hope that you definitely do move on. Over a cliff perhaps?
      • upnorth 14.3.1

        23 December 2015 at 5:11 pm

        Brigid I am sorry you have to reply in such a way – re read I congratulated Hager on winning against incorrect process. He is a journalist so should be almost part of his time of story telling.

        My question is will he refund money donated as a good person would do.

        If you accept a refund is your decision.

        I even suggested in my post he might be awarded additional compensation – reflect please and I hope you realise saying jumping off a cliff is not mature thing to say.

        Luckily I have good marbles in my head and will take the comment as immature rather than discussing a point or opinion.
        • reason 14.3.1.1

          25 December 2015 at 2:12 am

          upnorth must realize that the Police stopped Nicky Hagers present work projects ………..depriving him of income.

          The police also stole his daughters laptop computer as part of the illegal raid and it was vital for her upcoming school exams ………… apart from the stress and additional difficulties the police actions caused his daughter Nicky no doubt had to buy her a new computer …..

          A good person/poster would recognize that the legal fees are only part of the many financial costs and disruption that this politically motivated police harassment caused Nicky Hager…….

          A good person would support the police paying these full costs ……

          Otherwise Nicky is still well out of pocket.

          I also tend to think the police and the Nats are quite happy to punish the messenger ( Nicky ) as another example of what happens to journalists who expose or report the truth about them ……..

          Catching RawShark could be like having a tiger by the tail for the Nats ……

          The state sponsored sequel of Dirty politics like the initial book would be ugly stuff ……about JK, slater and the dirty politics crew.
15. Redelusion 15

    22 December 2015 at 8:45 pm

    All fish and chip paper now, people moved on a long time ago Whole saga just bores middle NZ now, the jk deranged will cling to it however, every one else it’s a non event or just a continuation of the loony lefty circus, re Mana internet party campaign, sue bradford and her rent a mob posse, attacking JK for every pc slight know to man, mock outrage etc etc long may it continue
    • Lloyd 15.1

      22 December 2015 at 9:11 pm

      If you keep telling people with “middle of the road” (i.e. swayable by the MSM) that John Key is a lying bastard and you cannot trust him, the message may eventually get through. Make a point of telling a couple of people a day. (Not the same ones!)
16. Whateva Next 16

    22 December 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Yes dear
17. Bruce 17

    23 December 2015 at 1:49 am

    Good on you NIcky. Let’s bring those ships home with everyone on board safe and well fed.
18. Mike Bond 18

    23 December 2015 at 9:01 am

    That the left can not see that the majority of Kiwis are not concerned about Dirty Politics and Nicky Hagger is beyond me. If the police now appeal this decision and a higher court overturns the decision, will they then say that National have influenced the judge? Most probably. I see Trotter has named his politician of the year as Bill English and not any one from the opposition as we would expect from him. His reason for this is that he thinks that Labour have done nothing to show their supporters that they will be doing anything for them. Everything from Labour has been attack National and John Key in everything they say or do. The negativity that turned voters off from them in the election just continues. Why would anyone vote for Labour? What are they offering the man in the street? I really hope the new year brings a new approach from Labour and an opposition that has something to offer except negativity. They need to look at the polls. A year of some glorious stuff ups from National and they have not lost any support. Why is what Labour needs to be asking.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 18.1

      23 December 2015 at 9:23 am

      A simple glance at Labour’s blog is all that’s needed to show that Mike Bond is lying. Press-release after press-release and hardly a word about Key.

      Is Mike lying deliberately or as a result of sloppiness and a total lack of personal responsibility?

      Who cares, the man’s a liar.
      • Mike Bond 18.1.1

        23 December 2015 at 9:34 am

        So glad that in your world Labour are racing up in the polls and all is well. In the real world, they are making no traction and are known for their negativity only.
        • One Anonymous Bloke 18.1.1.1

          23 December 2015 at 9:59 am

          So now you’re lying about my opinion, eh. Not to mention conflating your own with “the real world” – another lie.

          In fact, you don’t even represent the thirty percent of eligible voters that support National.
          • Mike Bond 18.1.1.1.1

            23 December 2015 at 10:46 am

            Do you represent the 12% of eligible voters that support Labour?
            • fender 18.1.1.1.1.1

              23 December 2015 at 11:10 am

              12% ?

              Yes, I see you are a farking liar
            • One Anonymous Bloke 18.1.1.1.1.2

              23 December 2015 at 3:00 pm

              Of course not, I don’t even vote for them. Then again, unlike you, I’m not pretending to speak for anyone other than me.
    • Tautuhi 18.2

      23 December 2015 at 4:43 pm

      This is starting to make Watergate look like a Children’s Tea Party?

      However the NZ Judiciary will be instructed by the Government to turn the decision over, just like the David Bain Enquiry.
    • Tautuhi 18.3

      23 December 2015 at 4:46 pm

      Unfortunately under JK we are witnessing the breakdown of democracy here in NZ?
19. Kev 19

    23 December 2015 at 9:50 am

    But is Hager a journalist? At least one journalist doesn’t think so:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/70382467/Karl-du-Fresne-Can-Nicky-Hager-really-be-called-a-journalist

    Granted, the crown regarded Hager as a journalist so it’s understandable that the judge would regard Hager as a journalist too. But that doesn’t mean the the police can’t appeal on the grounds that Hager isn’t a journalist and that the crown made a mistake by regarding Hager as one.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 19.1

      23 December 2015 at 10:04 am

      You sound desperate. Is du Fresne’s opinion relevant on your planet?

      Please set up a fund to waste money on your fantasies. Call it “The Crying Wingnut Charitable Appeal Against Reality”, and watch as you flush dollars down the toilet.

      Go on fatmouth, let’s see you back your dribble with some action.
      • Kev 19.1.1

        23 December 2015 at 4:11 pm

        It will become relevant on your planet if the cops decide to appeal on the grounds that Hager isn’t a journalist.

        Which by the way I don’t believe they will.
        • One Anonymous Bloke 19.1.1.1

          24 December 2015 at 6:06 am

          You’d better put your money where your fat mouth is then, like we did for Nicky.

          We won. You, not so much. Loser.
20. Tautuhi 20

    23 December 2015 at 4:52 pm

    NZ Police haven’t moved on from the raids on Polynesian overstayers in the Muldoon era, however I guess these guys are the reminants of that era. The goon squads, red squads, bully boys whatever you want to call them.

    Still a severe lack of professionalism in the NZ Police.
21. reason 21

    25 December 2015 at 11:35 am

    Is Karle-du-fresene a journalist?????……… yes but a very shit house one with bigoted prejudiced opinions backed up with angry stupidity………… I guess we could call him old school right wing.

    Karle-du-frense once called for a police officer to be demoted or sacked and also labeled him a wowser…….du-frsenes motivation was because this officer had spoken spoke out against the effects of Alcohol and the Alcohol industry on frontline police and their work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHI-4NWB8n0

    It’s quite a basic fact that the drug Alcohol causes its own crime wave ……..

    Approximately half (49.5%) of all homicides recorded between 1999-2008 involved either a suspect or victim being under the influence of alcohol at the time of the incident.

    A high percentage of Serious violent and sexual crimes often involve alcohol abuse and intoxication
    “Alcohol was a major factor in the bashing, which was apparent in a lot of physical and sexual abuse cases the unit dealt with”, Mrs Schaare said– Detective Sergeant Kylie Schaare child protection unit.

    Police staffing and roster numbers for shifts/days are in part based on times of maximum alcohol consumption …………. How may frontline police staff have New Years eve off ???.

    Of course Alcohol abuse has a huge effect on crime ……….. But police officers speaking out about this have taken a step too far and they should be out of the job according to du-fresne ………

    Du-fresene has many such examples of be a total wanky idiot ….I guess he’s just writing to his audience…..Kev.

    The Neanderthal journalist Karle-du-fresene is a right wing hack who probably feels jealous and inadequate compared to Hager
22. Ian 22

    25 December 2015 at 11:50 am

    You are superior- this is ‘truth’. Probably best you relax.

    You must use ‘all evidence’ to capture ‘a sitting duck’, relax, calm yourself down.

    Cool, calm and collected, that’s my man.

    Also of note: One man is restricted, one man is not.

    [lprent: Exactly how is this related to the topic of the post? I very nearly threw you into the autobot spam queue because that is what this comment read like. ]

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