Look, I do not like Key, as any one who has read my blog will know, but these attacks on John Key for perceived transgressions of tyrannical politically correct dictates will backfire on you badly.
Donald Trump is riding a wave of popularity in the US because he has tapped into public dislike of political correctness.
The NZ Labour party are still flogging it like the proverbial dead horse.
People do not like political correctness. Many of them, like myself, don’t like JK much, but are appalled at the delusional and nonsensical attacks the left continually mount against the PM. All underpinned by political correctness.
As I say here, people want to see ideas and policies. They’re sick to death of this PC balderdash.
Its a strategy that will most likely see JK win a fourth term.
Islam is more than a religion, its a political ideology with beliefs that are at odds with the Constitution of the United States Republic. Namely its ambition to eventually achieve a theocratic tyranny.
…but are appalled at the delusional and nonsensical attacks the left continually mount against the PM…
Leaving aside your ‘Politically correct’ obsession which is rather irrelevant to your actual argument. Other people would argue that the public expousing of the neo-liberal nonsense by its proponents when they departed the rigours of academic rigour and that that you religiously parrot is similarly deluded.
Lets look at actions? What was your attitude in comments to the very similar “delusional and nonsensical attacks that the..” right continually mounted against the PM (Hulun Klark from 2002-2007 and beyond).
I could probably dig them out without a problem if you’d like. I’d just have to establish the linkage between who you are now, and who you were then. But suffice it to say that to me you just read like a hypocrite with an appallingly selective memory about your own behaviour.
Everywhere I go I read the left lamenting the fact that they cannot put a dent in Key’s popularity or grow their own support.
I’m telling you why I think that is. I think you’re out of touch with public opinion.
I also think there is something badly adrift in Labour Party management and supporting this is the fact that they can’t appear to come up with any kind of winning strategy.
All the resources and energy poured into trying to hurt JK and no result.
What happens in any organisation if you continue to push ideas that do not work?
I’ll tell you. You get fired moved or replaced.
Something has to happen in Labour party HQ. Little is not a complete idiot. There’s actually a bit about him that I like, in that he’s more traditional Labour than the PC Progressive tree-hugging faction that seems to dominate.
Surely he can see that its not working. He needs some ideas, some remedies and some fix it strategies.
Edit- you know I agree with a lot of the criticism of JK. Just do not think endlessly bashing him with the PC stick is going to work.
If Key wants to act like an arsehole, you appear to not think that people should not point that out – so a political party can win? You have a damn strange idea about how the left (or the right for that matter) actually operate.
This isn’t being driven by politics particularly. It is driven by what type of society people think that we should have.
The political parties seldom lead in pushing this view. It is the other way around for the main parties because they all have to pull from the apolitical ‘centre’. As you say, they don’t like slagging off the PM until it becomes the perceived ‘norm’ – as it appears to be heading towards for John Key at present (which is probably why his handlers are pushing the ‘poor me’ defence at present).
In my experience the political parties get pulled by the supporters and activists rather than trying to push such ‘tactics’. The exception being the interesting and quite deliberate job that National did after they unwittingly tapped into that vein of bigotry after the Owera speech by Brash. But even there it was more by co-oping the activists in the absence of any effective left social media than doing it themselves.
In this case with Key it is being driven by many peoples growing disgust that this unthinking fuckwit is at the head of our government. Some of us saw him for what he was when he entered parliament, others picked up on it later. But the political parties of the left have little to do with it.
Now I recognize that you don’t see Key in quite that way, as a unfeeling personality devoid of empathy and forethought. It may be because you share a lot of traits with him, so you are blind to those aspects of his personality. I view him as one who uses and dumps people and groups of people without looking to see the damage he causes. He is almost the epitome of a poor employer chasing shareholder dividends in the next quarter rather than planning for the growth required to sustain the future. A parasite feeding on the wealth of others rather than a someone who creates wealth.
About the only thing we seem to agree on is that he is a short-term thinker who is powered by polling rather than his brains or vision.
BTW: I note that you didn’t look at your own actions against Helen Clark – in retrospect and given your argument here, I suspect that you have a bit of hypocritical guilt?
You must have seen me write on my opinion of John Key before?
Possibly not. I got a bit tired of expressing my personal opinion of him here about 2010. He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
I tend to be rather blunt when I express opinions.
He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
We used to call them ‘management surfers’ … they ride the crest of the wave into a role, then as soon as it breaks they’re off to the next one. It makes for a spectacular looking career, and many people get taken in … but in hindsight you see how little they actually achieve.
And later again, how much damage they’ve caused.
Because relatively few of us work for large global corporates, most New Zealanders don’t really encounter these types. Only once you’ve been suckered and used by them a few times do you get good at spotting them.
“To try and turn it into an attack on women, or indicating support of rape culture , etc etc is the error.”
I’m struggling to see where I did that in this comment too.
I pointed out that what is on that video is who we have for PM. Is this not correct? But as far as rape goes, is this not what the people on that video were alluding to?
Agree red, the left has said its piece, JK has stolen some more oxygen, so let’s move on. It’s like we have a hyperactive attention craving toddler running the country.
The NatCorp strategy is to make every. single. goddamn. news. item. about. FJK, and we keep falling into it.
“In January, the first public poll of the year showed National with 49.8 per cent support, Labour on 29.1, the Greens on 9.3, and New Zealand First on 6.9. ”
After about a dozen “scandals” over the year attacking John Key, mostly with PC based criticisms, what do we have in the final poll?
“in December, the last public poll of 2015 was released. …. National had 51.3 per cent support, Labour 31.1, the Greens 8.2, and New Zealand First were on 5.7.”
dude, it ain’t a strategy. it’s a watercooler and we’re bitching round it. if you don’t like the topic, go off to whaleoil or some other watercoolerof your choosing.
“We should not tolerate conditions in prison that have no place in any civilized country,” Obama said in a speech at the NAACP National Convention in Philadelphia on Tuesday. “We should not be tolerating overcrowding in prison. We should not be tolerating gang activity in prison.
“We should not be tolerating rape in prison, and we shouldn’t be making jokes about it in our popular culture,” Obama added. “That is no joke. These things are unacceptable
I have a vivid mind’s eye of Michelle Obama turning to Barack and saying “B…..WTF ?”
It’s not like he’s new to this shit……recall the laughy laughy about the child rapist/murderer Phillip Smith ? Recall the comment “I only apologise when…….” re Tania Billingsley ? Recall the ponytail shit ?
The man’s a child with behavioural problems and a fucking disgrace ! Thank you not Michelle Boag and the Business Roundtable. For importing this buffoon.
PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
Labour sorry for everything including their own gender = 28% support.
Merry Xmas, although must be difficult when so bitter and twisted.
I am appalled that you find rape funny.
Is there nothing that this narcissist psychopath does that you won’t defend.
Or are polls ratings you only defence?
Because Hitler was popular.
Yet, it was okay and much lauded a song about raping John Key’s daughter. Where was the voice from the left decrying that?
Interestingly enough, the movie Deliverance is stored in the United States Film Registry as a significant movie for its time. And it is a hard watching movie.
There is also a you-tube clip showing a marathon that is run in the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme.
But it is also irrelevant. What was your point in bringing up it or the marathon – that john key is not alone in his shitty behaviour? How many of the “locals” are white ribbon ambassadors (or its Tennessee equivalent), do you think?
I think he was making a comparison by saying that those who think key and the prank are funny come from
” … the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme. “
Sorry lprent. Fair call. It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does. I suppose the better class (rich) women on Planet Key never experience any of the dreadful things women in the real world do. They’re probably too busy getting their servants to launder and press all the golf attire for their menfolk while at their estates in Hawaii.
A friend of mine knows a man who had very much the same attitude on this subject as Key does – until his sister was attacked. Things really hit home to him then, and he is a changed man. That is why I made that comment.
“It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does”
Firstly, a joke about ‘picking up the soap’ would refer to male on male rape, so nothing to do with women that have suffered assault. Secondly, he didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. Thirdly, he never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
I think you are projecting and hearing what you want to hear, and while I did not read your initial post prior to it being censored, language that “verges on advocating violence” is far worse than what the PM does in this video. It sounds like you are advocating violence against women using the same long bow you have drawn, so maybe you should have a good hard look at yourself first.
That particular radio host made a nasty video clip of a Dancing With The Stars contestant which she was appalled by and let it be known she was disgusted. I suppose by your standards that is ok – just a bit of fun and lighten up and have a laugh. Wonder how you would feel if it was a female relative of yours being belittled.
That particular radio host Is who the prime minister chooses to wallow with.
I was not referring to his male rape episode. I was referring to his earlier behaviour towards the female MPs in Parliament who had been sexually assaulted, and to his dismissive attitude to the young woman assaulted by the Malaysian Diplomat. My post which was withdrawn was perhaps a bit inflammatory, however it was in response to John Key’s recent attitude towards the rape of women . Not to mention his extremely casual attitude to the Roastbusters miscreants, or the repulsive and creepy behaviour towards the young owner of the pony-tail. He wouldn’t have pulled my ponytail without retribution! So so creepy that whole thing! Parents out there would be very angry if that pony-tail girl was their daughter I am sure. You did not read what I said in that post so why on earth are you commenting on it? . And I happen to be a woman myself FYI.
I feel exactly the same, Linda. Everything is a joke to Key, as long as he and his family are protected from any kind of harm. However it is comforting to know that Miss Karma is alive and well. I like to think of Karma as a rather large heffalump with a very short wick!
National didn’t get anywhere near 50% support. But if you want to go off the vote on the day, the left and the right were fairly evenly split depending on where you think NZF fit in.
“The PM you support makes a cheap, smutty joke about prison rape”
Citation please? Watch the video again with your blinkers removed, he doesn’t even laugh at the joke let alone make reference to prison rape.
You are also projecting (seems to be a theme in this thread), Tory certainly makes no reference to prison rape in his/her comment, but certainly makes a point around public perception of the ‘holier than thou, we will read 2 levels too deep into a situation and damn you for it’ left.
Watch the wingnut twist and squirm and pretend that John Key personally set the whole thing up and deliberately referred to prison rape.
Good try at deflection OAB, how about you akshully watch the video for a change and not just run your mouth off playing the man because you know you have lost the argument as normal.
As I have stated above:
He didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. He never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
When you come up with a new argument, I’ll rebut it: if all you can do is repeat yourself I’m going to make reference to argumentum ad nauseam whether you like it or not.
Key’s participation in the ‘gag’ was essential for its intended audience to find it funny. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
Correct, his participation was essential, as he had agreed to visit a commercial radio station as a guest, and guests on commercial radio stations are almost always invited to participate in some form of gag, that does not mean he condones or made jokes about prison rape. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
You denied he had “made” the joke, and then you confess he participated in it. Would you care to revisit either of those mutually exclusive statements?
So remind me RedLogix, at which point in the video above does John Key make a joke about or condone prison rape?
Just to the nearest 5 second block will be fine…oh that’s right, he did nothing of the sort, “His silence loudly signals that he was a willing participant and he actively condones what happened”, bullshit, he was a willing participant in a radio gag but at no point did anyone mention prison, rape, or anything else untoward. You have simply taken the simple act of picking up a piece of soap and extrapolated to your hearts content. The only ones pretending are those that seriously believe the PM did anything other than make a fool of himself in public.
So tell me Bob … if the ‘cake of soap’ and ‘pretty little mouth’ and the cage had no meaning whatsoever as you are claiming, then exactly what the hell was our PM doing?
He was seated at the time, does prison rape normally happen while people are seated picking up soap?
I don’t know enough about prison rape and have never joked about it in the past, but I was under the impression from Hollywood movies it normally happens while people are showering, not while sitting down in a cage.
Did it occur to you he was sniggering because he was picking up what looked more like a urinal cake?
Did it occur to you he was sniggering because he was picking up what looked more like a urinal cake?
cf:
he doesn’t even laugh at the joke
Which is it – he wasn’t laughing or he was laughing at “urinal cake”? And even if either is the case, should a White Ribbon ambassador really be oblivious to “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”?
He sniggered when picking up what looks like a urinal cake, and he didn’t laugh when someone said “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”, two different things.
Perhaps you could point out where he laughed at a rape joke?
thestandard.org.nz/ladies-and-gentlemen-this-is-your-prime-minister/#comment-1111258
Again, just any 5 second time period during the clip above will be fine.
Every time he laughed or sniggered picking up what he was told was soap while sharing a cage with someone else.
But you’re being obtuse: I never said when he laughed. I merely pointed out that you have said he didn’t laugh, and then that he did laugh – apparently at urinal cake (very prime ministerial).
I then pointed out that as a white ribbon ambassador, even one oblivious to prison rape allegations under his government, he shouldn’t have let the “pretty little mouth” line go unchallenged. Or was that too obscure for him, too?
You seem to be arguing that our prime minister (let alone a white ribbon ambassador) is completely oblivious to innuendo about sexual assault, or at least lets it pass without comment. Is this really your best angle on his behaviour?
Whois ? A PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
those who support someone who supports everything that is required by everyone else but those who live in this country
u screw, up Key is a disgrace
Strange you know……went to a dinner ‘poarty’ in a leafy Auckland suburb on the weekend. Buffoon of a man who hitherto has been the strongest supporter of this gauche idiot, on purportedly technical terms, reduced to this……”Oh come on……he’s just trying to be a good bloke !”. Putting aside that all us adults got over that insecure shit decades ago…….Kia Ora !
Another internationally embarrassing headline from our PM.
It is almost as embarrassing as hearing New Zealand mentioned in a TYT video as one of the countries that had a high percentage of people who think it would be alright to target and kill civilians during a bombing campaign.
In 2002 Cenk Uygur launched an online program called “The Young Turks,” which he billed as the first video news show on the Internet. In December 2011 Uygur took the program, with his name added to the title to differentiate it from the online show, to television on Current TV. The nightly show features guests who offer their opinions on topics from the worlds of politics and pop culture. Although Uygur was born in Turkey, the show’s title is not related to his nationality. It refers to a phrase used to describe someone who is an insurgent or radical in a political party who advocates for changes in the group.
Actually this sort of behaviour and just doing/saying what you want with almost no limits reminds me of Trump. Both individuals and their ‘outgoing’ behaviour will always appeal to a distinct, easily manipulated sector of the population. These naive people just don’t realise they’re dating a sociopath. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Kyle MacDonald: John Key shouldn’t be White Ribbon ambassador
‘Contrary to what some have suggested in the last few days, I do have a sense of humour. I just don’t think sexual violence is funny.
The sexual assault rate in New Zealand is far higher than the world average. New Zealand rates as third-highest alongside Australia, and about one in five women and one in six men will experience sexual violence in their lifetime.
We also have one of the highest rates (the highest in some reports) rate of domestic violence, with one in three women experiencing intimate partner violence in their lifetime.
And call me old fashioned, but I believe that our Prime Minister should be a leader, a statesman even………
…………..So if, like me, you expect more of White Ribbon, and more of our Prime Minister then add your support to my petition with Action Station to dump John Key as an ambassador.
Until then, and sadly, I’m taking a different pledge. I can’t wear a white ribbon again until White Ribbon Campaign start acting in line with their stated mission and values.
Or, send a message to White Ribbon…this is what I sent a wee while ago….Oh! The irony of their “Key Messages” page.
“VIOLENCE IS NOT JUST PHYSICAL
Psychological/emotional violence is a very common form of violence experienced by women and children. Many women say it is the worst kind of abuse.Psychological/emotional abuse is about manipulation and coercion, and affects your emotions and personality, rather than your body. Victims of emotional abuse can feel like they are going mad, are very frightened, and feel like they have no choices and are often made to feel like it’s their fault.This form of abuse is often underestimated. It’s not recognised by many people because it can be subtle and hidden. Survivors say psychological abuse attacks their spirit and self-esteem and its effects can last the longest.
From your very own “Key Messages” page.
You men really need to think about the impact of your continued support for an abusive man. The fact that that abusive man is the Prime Minister of New Zealand makes this much, much worse.
@ cogito – but how do we get rid of the despot FJK? Doing it legally through the ballot box doesn’t work, because he’s still here, riding the wave of power, through deceit, corruption and lies!
Other than organized passive resistance or civil disobedience protest, I honestly can’t see any means of disposing of FJK. Even then he’d use his personal police force and military to quell the dissenters, violently!
Of course there is revolution. However, I honestly can’t see enough Kiwis coming together as a powerful collective force to revolt! Such action would require a strong, charismatic, dedicated leader, who was able to win the faith and trust of his/her “troops” (for want of a better word). No one comes to mind in that regard.
Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Prime Minister –
mooning? That might be too cheeky even for him.
planking
sneering
debasing the country
refusing affordable actions to keep people in basic work
ditto to keep people basically housed
ditto to keep children healthy, happy and well brought up
ditto to keep our resources in good condition and available for our children
Absent from the House when important matters of ethical behaviour are being raised, absent from intelligent input when in the House, absent through visiting overseas cultivating people useful to him, looking after his investments, spending time in Hawaii.
Present (as in I’m standing behind you NZs watching) as people –
lose necessary income on their investments,
lose their life savings because of leaky home syndrome,
suffer depression and poverty and suicide,
because of inadequate jobs and pay, with limited opportunities for better,
because of inadequate or no housing with ditto
because of inadequate health provision with ditto
because of climate change disasters and other types, with irreplaceable loss of personal and public resources,
because of the lack of opportunities for people to work and to live a good life determined by themselves,
because of the determination of the elite to wipe out all ‘menial’ jobs that can be done more cheaply overseas causing huge unemployment, under-employment and third world or colonial living conditions.
because of the continuing of the wipe-out mentality of the elite in signing up secret treaties with our countries’ elites that will remove human living conditions for the masses as their jobs are off-shored, robotised etc.
because of the almost complete lack of planning and implementation of policies to meet the problems that the present climate change trend is already bringing
because of the almost complete lack of acceptance and responsible action to attempt to reduce the effects of climate change by cutting emissions and other problems.
So what next? A progression to totalatarianism, war? Some reading for the break (in short daily doses only) – links about times and actions around the great wars.
One way of firing slow economies and reducing population would be to participate in a (last) great war which would obviously include most of the unemployed (not needed and a waste of space) and half of the middle class (ditto, after computerisation and automation). Objectively, war is a good money earner for armament-maker countries and WW2 provided many lessons in practical tactics that have been honed in the smaller wars since.
If one compares the era 1918-1929 (which was the start of the Great Depression), the frenetic behaviour, the fun-filled, pleasure-oriented public mood, then to the present it sets John Key’s theatrical behaviour in context. I feel that we are poised on the cutting edge of disaster, with our economy inherently unhealthy and even in good times based on borrowing overseas. People’s feelings have become paramount for measuring business health – do businesses feel confident, are ready to employ or invest? Do people feel wealthy because their house values are rising? Feelings are all, not actual relevant statistics, and all the time, the figures for deprivation are growing.
It is not possible that this era can end with us off the cutting edge, and on firm ground and prepared for difficulties, reasonably self-sufficient, because of the mind-set and indolence of the in-power group. And when the puppet Key can’t be usefully manipulated more, who next until we come to the end, between a rock and a hard place. At present we are under a spell of apparent good times, everything must be okay! Right. I’ve put a spell on you!
The years between 1918 the end of WW1, and the start of WW2 in 1939 (only 21 years after the end of WW1 touted “The War to end all Wars) there were gay young things, short skirts, the Charleston, nightclubs, theatricals on stage, but behind pulling the ropes adjusting the mechanics of the real theatre, were the architects of the future. “Following his appointment as chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler began laying the foundations for Nazi control of the state….By the end of July 1933, almost 27,000 people—virtually all of them political prisoners — were incarcerated in these camps. …After 1939,…the concentration camp system expanded rapidly…Those used as forced laborers were deliberately undernourished and mistreated with the intent that they be “annihilated by work.””*
While this was happening some of the British aristocracy including the future King, were friendly with Hitler, and his drive to boost the German economy and nation impressed them. Collateral damage to people was not noticed by their limited peripheral vision.
Your paranoia is showing. I actually don’t think all this from Key is ideology or part of some master plan to anything. It’s all personal, ego-based, with short term objectives being popularity and wanting to be liked by those around him. These types of people just get caught up in it all, as probably happened to ego-driven Roger Douglas and Co. i.e. Seemed a good idea at the time, just perverse, evil outcomes sending the country down a wrong path. Fortunately this case is far less damaging, only making New Zealanders look like idiots on the world stage. Still, it does sow the seeds for a leadership change to someone else who has a political vision beyond self. (Is there one?)
Bottom line? He’s become bored with us, the humble, poor voters… Just give him a knighthood and let him retire to Hawaii. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Detrie
You are ignoring decades of politics. What is happening today is on a continuum and not some one-off brainfart on the part of the National Party and PM.
Yes ego driven i refer to his speech as a young nat with all the gaul of a privileged twat
“Yes one day I would like to be PM OF THIS COUNTRY”
I wish I hadnt been doing 60 hr weeks back then I might have taken the time to change how I saw the future. The plight of the working class in a nutshell
Wow!. The Key Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.
Get a life!
The more you bang on hysterically about John Key the more you turn off real New Zealanders. Who is writing your material? Preaching to the choir yet turning off the people.
I do not expect you to learn. I anticipate the Key Derangement Syndrome will only intensify when he wins in 2017 and 2020 and 2023.
Is this what you call reasoned discussion. Are you a 10 year old boy behind the bike shed getting your jollies from name calling. Par for the course from Leftists.
No. Actually the Leader and PM in 2026 will be Chris Bishop.
This is a laugh. The only way I see him being PM is via dictatorship. National are the best party at destroying their political capital. This is before you take into account collapsing globalism and trade, and debt defaults. Things that will send them into oblivion.
have reconsidered and on reflection would say although Key has lost interest (he certainly doesn’t appear to be making an effort and is increasingly reckless) it is still his intention to run at the next election and his recent foray into light entertainment is designed to attract a portion of the first time voting demographic with his “brand”…in this age celebrity name recognition and a feeling of personal knowing is all important….just look at the number of media personalities in both local and national governance, most with no relevant background to their duties
I can’t believe this would be spontaneous and without the knowledge of the PM and his minders. The whole thing was set up to create outrage and an opportunity.
Wonder if we’re going to see a strong, moral, maybe female leader emerge to take the mantle from a contrite incumbent who will sail off to something else….
Well, I think that (at the very least) it’s an acknowledgement that his core support comes from appealing to thugs and alienating opponents from the entire system.
certainly policy and performance have nothing to do with it, otherwise he’d be defending his government in substantive interviews.
But also I think he’s not even particularly trying for prime ministerial credibility these days – whether that’s a strategy of playing to his boorish strengths or just him doing the easy media stunts where he won’t be challenged (i.e. the minimum he can manage without a full-blown revolt in caucus), that’s a debatable point.
As you say, I doubt the cage stunt could have been an outright ambush by the presenters. Funnily enough I believe it mirrors where several of his past and present caucus members quite likely should (and might yet) reside.
Good to see by the comments here Whale Oil is alive and well on the left.
There is no difference between the two whatsoever.
Both are generally filled with trash and filth.
[lprent: Like all raving lunatic trolls, you fail to point to or link to any specific examples. Preferring instead to smear everyone rather than to provide evidence of your pig-ignorant stupidity and lack of evidence, probably because you are scared of withstanding the critical analysis and ridicule that giving details would result in.
Please read the policy, and note that if you want to make an assertion of fact as you did in your comment, then you are expected to specifically point to evidence, and to make that evidence related to specific instances. That you accurately described yourself “trash and filth” is not acceptable as a plea in mitigation.
Adding you to autospam – it is clear that you are not competent to accept the responsibilities of a commenter here. ]
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/292683/no-sign-of-migration-tide-turning-analyst
70,000 people came here to enjoy our great country and government and PM. Do you seriously think any of these people are Labour voters? Do you seriously think an Aucklander with a Chinese sounding name will vote Labour. Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?
“Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?”
Because they like bent corrupt interfering dictators, like they have back home in China.
Obama got it right when he sarcastically asked Turnbull if he actually talked to the NZers. Key is a figure of international derision, a clown, a galloping colonial clot, a national embarrassment.
I’ve jiss wotched ONE Netwerk News (Your Newzzzz).
Whilst I’ve no doubt there are elements within that take their ‘craft’ searissly (and who hope to win some sort of hideous plaque at the next {SPONSOR insert} award, whereby they can thank their mutha and brutha, and say things like “there’s no betta ward than to be jujjd by ya peers” and “Oi owe it all ta thos that cum before me” ……..
ONE networj News (of fuk it! the errors and effort in bothering to ‘bekspace’ in order to givim a proper name going forward is more than they’re worth) ……
ONE Netwerk Neeeeyoos left the oitum with the offering that it was all in the Christmas Sprit.
Christ Almighty!!!!!
Do they not realise that there are (ekshully) some people (utterly powerless but wing-waiting) that’ll prolly difoine their future goan fowid?
Christ Almighty (again). @ the number being crossed off the list of those capable of being committed to (and even understanding) those quaint old ideas of a 4th Estate, the VERY basic principles of democracy, the Public SPhere,, influence.
(thank your God there are quite a few around the place that remain capable)
rest assured, I don’t usually watch NZ MSM TV – it’s just that someone tipped me off to this abomination of a story that was about to be aired. Innocuous enough to begin with ….. but unsurprising the overall framing.
I can’t even remember whether or not it was Max Headroom who was centrepiece at the autocue or a ‘blonde assistant – slightly lesser specimen’ of the craft.
I guess if I was in Auckland I could shuffle off down to that waterfront establishment where the glitz and glam folk water their throats after a long long long hour of reading letters off a mirror and pretending to look ‘authoratative’.
[r0b: Tim – you have some extra junk in the name field of your comments which is why they are going in to moderation]
Am I mistaken? It’s just that according to Mr Key, the soap was a bit smelly when once picked up.
IF that was Mr Key’s response, I’m just wondering how and why the claims that he didn’t know or understand the inference to male rape, or how those nice people at white ribbon can have swallowed the spin and bullshit. (that’s quite apart from the desperation of trying to spin things so that Christmas time makes things very different).
Have I ‘mis-heard’ something or have I been ‘mis-sold’ a pup?
Perhaps because it was a urinal cake and was indeed a bit smelly?
I don’t think that you have misheard, I think you have heard exactly what YOU want to hear and extrapolated to make the PM look as bad as possible because you don’t personally like his politics.
Fan girl Claire Trevett minimises Key’s behaviour.
As Stewart says “You may even be a woman. A woman who likes men who enjoy this stuff. You have a condition known as Stockholm syndrome. Look it up.”
Consented behaviour is not violation Bop. Were I making a joke at all it would be about you Bop but you’re doing fine all on your own. All for the love of the child prime minister !
I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .
But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Absolutely wags. The prison rape jolly jape is just the last straw, appalling, offensive, crass and hurtful as it is. Key has been an ambassador for White Ribbon since 2010.
When I found this out my head exploded.
WTF are they doing with someone like Key representing their organisation?
I’m writing to Rob McCann about this today. I have his email address if any one else would like to write to him. I won’t put the email address up without the permission of the mods though. Not sure of the protocol there
“I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .”
Thank you for being the voice of reason in an otherwise overblown thread.
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Short answer, yes.
I see now why the CEO didn’t want to lose Key based on the funding they get from government. While the only Women’s Refuge in Christchurch has to close because of cuts in government funding the NZ branch of White Ribbon is cleaning up.
Yes, Draco T Bastard posted that very interesting and well written post last night. Well worth a read.
PS – I did write to Rob McCann btw. Just got an automated reply, saying they were away for their Christmas break. Kind of annoying because I spent quite a bit of time writing it.
Bob Harvey was on the news, sticking up for Key, giving ballast to the radio station. Go figure….
Key as a (supposed) statesman should have known better in the first place. Would Helen Clark have entered the cage? Dimwit Key just plays their daft games.
Not surprised. He’s well into his dotage now and wouldn’t know if he was coming or going.
I expect Helen’s husband keeps her up to date with what is happening in NZ. I understand she keeps in touch on a daily basis with both her husband and her father. She will never reveal her views of course but it must privately cause her some apoplexy.
if it was an incident in isolation then maybe …
However it is a common behaviour with Key.
He does not appear to have the nous to tell people that their behaviour is inappropriate.
Reflect on the occasion with Paul Henry over the Governor General Anand Satyanand being a Kiwi.
As in that case and this one in the cage, Key should have fronted up to the presenters and said their line is inappropriate. That should have gained him kudos.
But not Key. He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it (or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.
He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it (or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.
Former I should think. He’s playing to a particular audience and he doesn’t care about those of us who believe in “appropriate” standards because we stopped voting for him long ago – or we never started – so our responses mean nothing to him.
“He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.”
Both I think. But unlike as some think, at the end of the day I actually think he’s not very smart. He doesn’t think quickly on his feet and often just says whatever comes into his head and most of the time it’s not pretty.
He either doesn’t have the warning bells a person with strong intuition and intelligence has or if he does he ignores them because he mostly gets away with behaving badly. A shockingly subservient media aids him when his mask slips and he reveals his true nature but his followers cannot, or will not see it.
Sadly he exposes (and plays to) an ugly side to New Zealand society.
I also think that Key just craves the limelight, at the cost of good governance or being a solid statesman, and grabs every op that is offered. A bit of a lad, just having a blast, What country to run?
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Rt Winston Peters, Leader of New Zealand First Allegations raised this morning by Stuff Limited / Fairfax concern a party matter but I am confident that New Zealand First has operated within electoral laws, now and for the last 27 years. Declarable donations were declared to the Electoral Commission. Our ...
A medium-scale adverse event has been declared for the South Canterbury district, which will see up to $50,000 in funding made available to support farming communities which have been significantly affected by recent heavy rain and flooding in the area, says Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. “Two weeks of solid rain ...
The Government will phase out more single-use plastics following the success of its single-use plastic bag ban earlier this year and the release today of a pivotal report for dealing with waste. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has welcomed the Rethinking Plastics in Aotearoa New Zealandreport, released by her Chief Science Advisor ...
International education continues to thrive as the Government focuses on quality over quantity, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. The tuition revenue from international education increased to $1.16 billion last year with the average tuition fee per student increasing by $960. The total number of international students enrolled in New Zealand ...
Health Minister Dr David Clark says new appointments to DHBs represent a significant changing of the guard, with 13 new chairs including four Māori chairs. Today 76 appointments have been announced to complement elected board members, as well as eight elected members appointed as either chair or deputy chair. Four ...
Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Fletcher Tabuteau, is travelling to Germany, Poland, Austria, and Spain next week to bolster New Zealand’s political and trade relationships in Europe. While in Spain, Mr Tabuteau will represent New Zealand at the 14th Asia-Europe (ASEM) Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Madrid. “New Zealand strongly supports ...
“I’ve spoken to Minister Faafoi, who has apologised for his poor handling of this issue,” Jacinda Ardern said. “I have confidence in Kris as a hardworking and effective Minister, but this should have been dealt with in a much clearer manner, and I’ve made my views on that very clear ...
Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters met with Tongan Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pohiva Tu'i'onetoa in Wellington today. The pair signed a Statement of Partnership setting out joint priorities for cooperation out to 2023. “We welcomed Prime Minister Tu'i'onetoa on his first visit to New Zealand as Prime Minister. Tonga ...
The Minister of Police Stuart Nash says his sympathies are with the family of a man who died after being shot by Police in Kurow. “Initial reports are that Police were called by a family member to help the man who was threatening to harm himself,” Mr Nash says. “However ...
Healthier waterways, better productivity and farmer wellbeing are front and centre in a new project involving more than 1000 Southland farmers and growers. Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor today announced that the Thriving Southland Change and Innovation Project is the first region-wide extension programme supported by the $229 million Sustainable ...
Work to look after nature and restore freshwater quality in Te Hoiere/Pelorus River catchment is getting a significant boost, thanks to new Government funding support Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage announced in Canvastown today. “Every New Zealander should be able to swim in their local river without getting sick, and ...
Eight Queen’s Counsel have been appointed under a process that includes the new criterion of a commitment to improving access to justice, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. “The new criterion was included this year. It emphasises that excellence and leadership in the profession can be seen through a wider, community ...
Onslow College in Wellington will get 20 new classrooms for more than 400 students, Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. The much-needed investment will relieve growth pressure the school has been experiencing for some time. Seven existing classrooms which have deteriorated over time will also be replaced, bringing the total ...
More than 250 young New Zealanders will add international experience to their education, thanks to the latest Prime Minister’s Scholarships for Asia (PMSA) and Latin America (PMSLA), Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. This round of scholarships supports 252 recent graduates or current students to undertake study, research or internships ...
Consumers will benefit from a more competitive, transparent retail fuel market as a result of changes the Government will be making in response to the findings of the Commerce Commission’s study of the fuel sector. “We accept the Commission’s findings and, as the Prime Minister has said, we’re ready to ...
Five new cancer medicines have now been funded this year, meaning thousands of people have more treatment options PHARMAC has today announced that it has approved two new medicines for funding – fulvestrant for breast cancer and olaparib for ovarian cancer. This follows earlier decisions on advanced lung cancer treatment alectinib, ...
The Minister of Local Government, Hon Nanaia Mahuta says the Government will consider making changes to local electoral legislation before the 2022 elections to fix the problems that have arisen where elections are settled by a coin toss. The Minister says the recount process in the Murupara- Galatea ward at ...
New Zealand will sign up to new international maritime regulations to reduce ship emissions and lift air quality around ports and harbours, Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter announced today. Subject to completion of the Parliamentary treaty examination process, New Zealand will sign up to Annex VI of MARPOL, an ...
New legislation to transform our urban areas and create sustainable, inclusive and thriving communities will tomorrow be introduced to Parliament, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said. “The Urban Development Bill gives Kāinga Ora-Homes and Communities the tools it needs to partner with councils, communities, mana whenua and private developers to ...
Today’s launch of He taonga te Tamaiti: Every child a taonga: The Early Learning Action Plan 2019-2029 provides the foundation for long-lasting changes to early learning, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. “Early learning will be one of the Government’s top education priorities going into 2020,” Chris Hipkins said. ...
Major decisions made by the Government will now be considered under a climate change lens, Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. “Cabinet routinely considers the effects of its decisions on human rights, the Treaty of Waitangi, rural communities, the disability community, and gender – now climate change will ...
Education Minister Chris Hipkins today announced the appointment of Māori education specialist Dr Wayne Ngata and Business NZ head Kirk Hope to the Board of the Tertiary Education Commission (TEC). Dr Alastair MacCormick has been reappointed for another term. “Wayne Ngata, Kirk Hope and Alastair MacCormick bring a great deal ...
The next phase of the Pike River Re-entry project is underway, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry Andrew Little says. “Fresh air will be pumped into the Pike River Mine drift this week, following acceptance of the plan for re-entry beyond the 170m barrier by New Zealand’s independent health and ...
New Zealand consumers will have greater certainty about their insurance cover when they need to make claims as a result of proposed government changes. “Insurance is vitally important in supporting consumers and businesses to be financially resilient when unexpected events happen,” Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Kris Faafoi said. ...
The Crown is providing an opportunity for the hapu of Ngāpuhi to rebuild its framework from the ground up for collective negotiations to deal with its historical Treaty claims, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little and Minister for Māori Development Nanaia Mahuta announced today. The Crown is also ...
A Bill enabling referendums to be held with the 2020 General Election has passed its third reading. Justice Minister Andrew Little says the Act is important for upholding the integrity of New Zealand’s electoral process. “The Government has committed to holding a referendum on legalising recreational cannabis at the next ...
The first release of public information on the two referendums to be held at next year’s General Election was made today with an informative new Government website going live. Additionally, the draft Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill has been released, showing the strict controls on cannabis that will apply if ...
The Government is taking action to protect New Zealand from foreign interference in our elections by banning foreign donations to political parties and candidates, Justice Minister Andrew Little announced today. Legislation will be introduced to Parliament this afternoon and passed under urgency. “There’s no need for anyone other than New ...
Governments and tech companies are holding a two-day workshop, hosted by YouTube/Google in Wellington, to test the Christchurch Call Shared Crisis Response Protocol. The workshop aims to refine and strengthen the response in the event of a terrorist attack with online implications. Companies, governments, civil society experts and NGOs will ...
The new independent Cancer Control Agency has formally opened today, delivering on the Government’s plan to improve cancer care in New Zealand. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Minister of Health David Clark marked the occasion by announcing the membership of the Advisory Council that will be supporting ...
Small businesses who deal with government departments are set to be paid faster and have improved cash flow as a result, under a new strategy released today. The Government is backing recommendations from the Small Business Council (SBC) and has agreed to implement three initiatives immediately to support business and ...
The Education and Training Bill 2019, introduced in Parliament today, proposes the biggest education changes in decades and is an important step towards improving success for all our learners, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “The Bill’s rewrite of education legislation is long overdue. Indeed one Education Act, parts of which ...
Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio will travel to Bali to represent New Zealand at the 12th Bali Democracy Forum that will be held on the 5-6 December. “The Forum is a valuable opportunity for Asia-Pacific countries to share experiences and best practice in building home-grown democracy and fostering ...
A package of new and expanded technology and other tools will encourage responsible camping and help communities and local councils better manage freedom camping this summer, Tourism Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. “Our Government has been investing to improve the freedom camping experience for everyone because we want to support ...
The government is laying the groundwork to understanding our genes – work that can help us tackle some of our biggest health challenges, like heart disease and diabetes, says Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods. $4.7 million has been invested in the Genomics Aotearoa Rakeiora programme. The programme will ...
Nearly every state schools will receive a capital injection next year valued at $693 per student to bring forward urgent school property improvements, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. The one-off cash injection is the first project to be announced from the Government’s infrastructure package ...
The Government has decided to bring forward major investments in New Zealand’s infrastructure to future proof the economy. “Cabinet has agreed to a significant boost to infrastructure investment. I have directed the Treasury to help bring together a package of projects that can be brought into the Government’s short and ...
It is a great pleasure to be with you today in Whanganui. Like the Prime Minister I grew up with the TV clip of Selwyn Toogood booming “What do you say Whanganui, the money or the bag?” to an unsuspecting ‘It’s in the Bag’ audience. For those under the age ...
New Zealand’s newest Great Walk, the Paparoa Track, was officially opened in Blackball today by the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage alongside the family members of the Pike 29 and Ngāti Waewae. Local mayors and MP for the West Coast Hon Damien O’Connor were also in attendance. “Paparoa National Park ...
Minister of Defence Ron Mark turned the first sod of earth on the infrastructure works for the new P-8A Poseidon fleet at RNZAF Base Ohakea today. “The Coalition Government’s investment in Ohakea will ensure the Royal New Zealand Air Force can manage, maintain and task the new fleet efficiently ahead ...
Civil Defence Minister Hon Peeni Henare today announced the establishment of the new National Emergency Management Agency from 1 December 2019. The National Emergency Management Agency will replace the Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management. It will be an autonomous departmental agency, hosted by the Department of the Prime ...
Sustainable New Zealand Welcomes the Government’s Announcement on Phasing Out Waste But Wants to See More Action on Building and Construction Waste ...
Our Seas Our Future welcomes Prime Minister Jacinda Arden’s announcement that the Government is aiming to phase out another round of single-use hard plastics, made of PVC and Polystyrene. ...
The Fraudster exposes the life and crimes of a million dollar conwoman Award-winning investigative team Stuff Circuit’s latest documentary exposes the cautionary tale of a woman who ripped off New Zealand businesses and government agencies, and a justice ...
Press Release 8 December 2019 Auckland, 8 December 2019 : The Prime Minister’s Chief Science Advisor, Professor Juliet Gerrard, presented the 262-page report on ‘Rethinking Plastics in Aotearoa New Zealand’ to the Prime Minister on Sunday ...
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her Cabinet should make a policy decision tomorrow that Auckland’s car and container port must close by 31 December 2029, Waterfront 2029 Spokesperson Michael Goldwater said today. ...
In light of increasing public concern over the harmful effects of plastic pollution, the Prime Minister’s Chief Science Advisor, Professor Juliet Gerrard, is presenting the Rethinking Plastics in Aotearoa New Zealand report to the Prime Minister on Sunday ...
The government will start phasing out polystyrene packaging and beverage containers in response to a major new report calling for a nationwide rethink on plastics in New Zealand, PM Jacinda Ardern announced today. Here’s what you need to know about the announcement, and the Rethinking Plastics in Aotearoa report.For much ...
The Absolute Book is one of our picks of the year and you should buy it for someone you love for Christmas. A story that sticks like a biddi-bid, Elizabeth Knox said on Twitter the other day. Here, she writes about the books that stuck in her own psyche – ...
The government would argue it’s on track to reduce child poverty significantly by the next reporting round, and culture change is well underway at Work and Income. But change at WINZ is a slow-moving process. Pip Colgan is an advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty (AAAP), which means she spends a ...
Frozen 2 is out, but more importantly the soundtrack is available for your kids to play on repeat. Sam Brooks ranks the songs by how likely it is that they’ll sing them into your face for the foreseeable future.Parents and caregivers, get your loins girded because Frozen 2 is here. The film ...
Five New Zealanders from across culturalspaces explain what it is they love about basketball.Historically, basketball has always held a relatively small but special in Aotearoa’s sporting landscape. The NBL was established in 1981, giving provinces the chance to duke it out for national supremacy. In 2002 the Tall Blacks ...
After 40 years at the frontline, the University of Otago's Professor Marie Crowe discusses her research on treatments beyond medicine to alleviate symptoms of mood disorders like bipolar and depression. ...
Everything you need to know about the suspension of buses in Auckland and the industrial action standoff that it springs from.What’s going on?Yesterday saw the cancellation of thousands of bus trips and a lot of people standing around at Auckland bus stops looking puzzled after services operated by NZ Bus ...
ASMS message to DHB Chairs and appointees The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists (ASMS) welcomes the District Health Board Chairs and board appointees announced by Health Minister David Clark. ...
Eight Queen’s Counsel have been appointed under a process that includes the new criterion of a commitment to improving access to justice, Attorney-General David Parker announced this week. The new criterion, he explained, ” … emphasises that excellence and leadership in the profession can be seen through a wider, community ...
“CEAC – University of Auckland asks ‘Can democracy survive’? Subject; Can democracy survive? https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2019/12/03/can-democracy-survive-.html Citizens Environmental Advocacy Centre Incorporated (CEAC) Press release 8th December ...
The Minister of Health’s announcement to appoint a new chair to the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board has come as a surprise and with some disappointment, especially given he had personally asked me to stand again with his confidence to continue in ...
Hell’s bells it’s Gone By Lunchtime, with Annabelle Lee, Ben Thomas and Toby Manhire shooting the breeze on Kris Faafoi, Jason Kerrison, Winston Peters, NZ First donations, a cannabis referendum, and the year to come.Just when you thought politics was tucking under the duvet for Christmas, along comes the guy ...
Tis the season for hangovers, so we convinced some of New Zealand’s most experienced consumers of food and/or drink (OK, Spinoff staff and a bunch of chefs/hospo people) to share their tried-and-true culinary remedies.A hangover is a very individual thing. For some, it manifests as a splitting headache and extreme ...
Before Britain’s Got Talent: Champions hits our screens tonight, let’s take a fond look back at some of the show’s weirdest and most wonderful acts.Place your hands on your Golden Buzzer, because Britain’s Got Talent: The Champions kicks off this weekend. Champions is BGT bigger and better than it’s been before, ...
Following the raging success of the 2018 non-goat ethical Christmas gift guide, here for you today – responsibly wrapped in reusable gift wrap – is the 2019 list of ethical, sustainable, socially conscious, or charitable gift ideas to satisfy all kinds of family members and budgets.Budget Category: ‘Can we pay ...
Lime brought e-scooters to Auckland and changed the way we travel in less than a year. Now, the council is replacing it and Wave with three new contenders. Josie Adams goes to the Lime warehouse to say goodbye to the original scooters.In a warehouse in Eden Terrace, almost a thousand ...
Analysis - The government's first crack at cannabis legislation runs into trouble, a foreign donations bill is rammed through Parliament and a select committee refuses to listen to former NZ First officeholders. ...
Dr Ben Jansen is Oceania's leading prescriber of cannabis medicines, and a co-founder of the Hemp Foundation.org.nz “I’d like to thank the Labour Party and Chris Woodney. Thanks to his policy remit at Labours national conference, and Labours full support, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Hannah Soong, Senior Lecturer in Teacher Education Practice, School of Education, University of South Australia Australian 15 year olds were around three and a half years behind their counterparts in China in maths, according to the OECD’s latest results for education systems ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dimitri Perrin, Senior Lecturer, Queensland University of Technology More than a year ago, the world was shocked by Chinese biophysicist He Jiankui’s attempt to use CRISPR technology to modify human embryos and make them resistant to HIV, which led to the birth ...
Cabinet minister Kris Faafoi has apologised to the Prime Minister for his messages to Jason Kerrison regarding an immigration case, but will not lose his job. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julian Meyrick, Professor of Creative Arts, Flinders University The decision to merge the Department of Communications and the Arts with Transport, Infrastructure and Regional development (dropping the “Arts” entirely) ends a year in which Australian politics has been deeply confused over its ...
A historic referendum on independence has been completed in Bougainville. Johnny Blades of RNZ was there. People in the autonomous Papua New Guinea region of Bougainville have voted in an historic independence referendum. The long-anticipated referendum is the ultimate provision of 2001’s Bougainville Peace Agreement, which followed a brutal, protracted ...
Dairy farmers had some Xmas cheer this week, as dairy giant Fonterra told them the forecast payout would be the fourth-highest-ever, at the mid-point of its farmgate milk price range. The $7.30kg/ms means the cash payout for the season will reach $11.2bn, a rise of about $400m from the earlier forecast. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Caitlin Syme, PhD in Vertebrate Palaeontology, The University of Queensland When you find dinosaur skeletons, how can you tell how old the dinosaur was? Like, if the skeleton is from a child dinosaur or an adult dinosaur? – Henry, aged 8. ...
The Council of Licenced Firearms Owners (COLFO) has had to clarify the law with Police and receive their reassurance that while the amnesty for ammunition was not extended to 20 December, Police will act as if it has been. ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 We Are Here: An Atlas of Aotearoa by Chris McDowall & Tim Denee (Massey University Press, $70)Superlative ...
This week a petition with more than 15,000 signatures was presented at parliament to Nicola Willis, MP and opposition spokesperson for Early Childhood Education. Also attending were Green MP Chlöe Swarbrick and Hon Nikki Kaye. ...
It’s that time of year again when, for the third year running, a new A Christmas Prince movie is released. Sam Brooks was in front of a TV screen for the latest instalment’s debut on Netflix last night, and here catalogues the many stupid, wild, and wildly stupid things he ...
One of the most highly rated members of Jacinda Ardern’s Cabinet is under pressure over assurances given in relation to an immigration case. How bad could it get, asks Toby Manhire.There has never been a New Zealand prime minister more engaged with contemporary homegrown music than Jacinda Ardern. She’s forever ...
Kris Faafoi, Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media; Minister ofCommerce and Consumer Affairs;Minister of Government Digital Services; Associate Minister forHousing; MP for Mana.The latest allegations of a corruption scandal involving a Cabinet minister suggests this government is far too loose when it comes to providing access to power ...
The National Party cannot credibly critique the Government’s hikes to fuel tax while it refuses to commit to reversing these hikes, says the New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union. Taxpayers’ Union spokesman Louis Houlbrooke says, “Simon Bridges has lambasted ...
Newspaper staff were among those to express dismay and fury during the frenzy of denunciations that followed publication of an ill-considered cartoon about Samoa and the measles epidemic. The Spinoffrecorded their reactions under the heading ODT cartoonist infuriates his colleagues with Sāmoa measles epidemic ‘joke’. It also reproduced the ...
New Zealand Police Association condemns comments made by People Against Prisons Aotearoa following the fatal police shooting of an armed man who had made threats of suicide. ...
A new poem by Harry Ricketts. The Writing Life You want to write.You want to be published.You want to be read. You want to be a cult figure.You want to be reviewed.You want to write. You want to win prizes.You want to be anthologised.You want to be read. You want to be taught in schools ...
As Christmas is near, it’s time to set the record straight on some of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of employment law that apply to the festive season. ...
Editor’s Note: Here below is a list of the main issues currently under discussion in New Zealand and links to media coverage.New Zealand Parliament Buildings, Wellington, New Zealand.Kris Faafoi immigration case Fiona Connor and Tova O’Brien (Newshub): ‘I’m on it bro’: Messages show Kris Faafoi offering help to ...
The Minister of Local Government Nanaia Mahuta has announced changes to prevent Māori wards being voted down by referendums are off the table, saying she believes such a change is not possible within the coalition. ...
It’s officially the festive season, and what does that mean? An office Secret Santa with a budget of $20 and you’ve picked your boss. Instead of settling for a bottle of average wine and a ribbon, follow our essential guide on what to get those unique workmates.At last year’s Secret ...
The shooting of a suicidal man in Southland shows that police armament is dangerous, says criminal justice group People Against Prisons Aotearoa. The shooting comes just over a month into the controversial trial of heavily armed police teams in 3 regions ...
The Prime Minister should deal urgently with reports Cabinet Minister Kris Faafoi offered to help a friend over an immigration case, National Party leader Simon Bridges says. ...
The families of top former All Blacks are likely to donate their loved ones’ brains to research so the effect of head impacts in sport can be studied. ...
A woman who went on a Tinder date with the man who murdered Grace Millane tells her story, and issues a warning to other women to trust their instincts when something doesn’t feel right.First published on Newshub.co.nzI went on a date with Grace Millane’s killer while her body lay in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gottfried Lechner, Associate Professor and Director of the Institute for Telecommunications Research, University of South Australia, University of South Australia Satellites are becoming increasingly important in our lives, as they help us meet a demand for more data, exchanged at higher speeds. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Terry Goldsworthy, Associate Professor in Criminology, Bond University According to the latest figures, homicides in Australia are at historic lows and compare well against international trends. So what do the trends tell us and why is the homicide rate in Australia declining? ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy O’Rourke, Senior Lecturer, School of Architecture, The University of Queensland Welcome to the next article in our Designing Hospitals series, where we explore how architecture and design shape our hospitals and medical centres. Today, we look at what Indigenous people tell ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Richard Holden, Professor of Economics, UNSW The latest Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) results are bad news for Australian students, parents, employers and policymakers. Pretty much everyone. Australian 15-year-olds are now below the OECD average in mathematics, and our results in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Danielle Clode, Senior Research Fellow in Creative Writing, Flinders University It is only mid-November but we have to walk early to avoid the heat. A northerly wind picks up clouds of dust and pollen, sending dirty billows across the paddocks. The long ...
Good morning and welcome to The Bulletin. In today’s edition: Changes coming to fuel market, anti-vaxxer arrested in Samoa, and banks told to hold more capital.New recommendations to increase competition in the fuel market have been made by the Commerce Commission, reports the NZ Herald. Their conclusion is that it isn’t competitive ...
This week's biggest-selling New Zealand books, as recorded by the Nielsen BookScan New Zealand bestseller list and described by ReadingRoom literary editor Steve Braunias. ...
An alliance of top researchers is trying to keep New Zealand ahead of complex health challenges from overuse of antibiotics, threats to freshwater quality and emerging infectious diseases. ...
The birthplace of the Labour Party is once again at the forefront of a new movement, this time harnessing the power of the collective to step away from coal towards a low carbon future.Blackball is a small place with a huge history. This week the town, 29 kilometres from Greymouth, ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Hannah Soong, Senior Lecturer in Teacher Education Practice, School of Education, University of South Australia Australian 15 year olds were around three and a half years behind their counterparts in China in maths, according to the OECD’s latest results for education systems ...2 days ago
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No excuses, no reading the runes. He knew. This is him.
end.of.story.
Look, I do not like Key, as any one who has read my blog will know, but these attacks on John Key for perceived transgressions of tyrannical politically correct dictates will backfire on you badly.
Donald Trump is riding a wave of popularity in the US because he has tapped into public dislike of political correctness.
The NZ Labour party are still flogging it like the proverbial dead horse.
People do not like political correctness. Many of them, like myself, don’t like JK much, but are appalled at the delusional and nonsensical attacks the left continually mount against the PM. All underpinned by political correctness.
As I say here, people want to see ideas and policies. They’re sick to death of this PC balderdash.
Its a strategy that will most likely see JK win a fourth term.
Donald Trump has supported (amongst other outrageous policies) having a national database of people based solely on their religion.
If you think opposing that is “political correctness”, you’re a prime example of democracy ensuring that populations get the government they deserve…
Islam is more than a religion, its a political ideology with beliefs that are at odds with the Constitution of the United States Republic. Namely its ambition to eventually achieve a theocratic tyranny.
Jaysus. It didn’t take much for you to lured away from the topic, did it?
You advocate for a bogan and intolerant populace – we get it already!
these are the people john key wants as supporters.
cite pls
Leaving aside your ‘Politically correct’ obsession which is rather irrelevant to your actual argument. Other people would argue that the public expousing of the neo-liberal nonsense by its proponents when they departed the rigours of academic rigour and that that you religiously parrot is similarly deluded.
Lets look at actions? What was your attitude in comments to the very similar “delusional and nonsensical attacks that the..” right continually mounted against the PM (Hulun Klark from 2002-2007 and beyond).
I could probably dig them out without a problem if you’d like. I’d just have to establish the linkage between who you are now, and who you were then. But suffice it to say that to me you just read like a hypocrite with an appallingly selective memory about your own behaviour.
I don’t think its about me.
Everywhere I go I read the left lamenting the fact that they cannot put a dent in Key’s popularity or grow their own support.
I’m telling you why I think that is. I think you’re out of touch with public opinion.
I also think there is something badly adrift in Labour Party management and supporting this is the fact that they can’t appear to come up with any kind of winning strategy.
All the resources and energy poured into trying to hurt JK and no result.
What happens in any organisation if you continue to push ideas that do not work?
I’ll tell you. You get fired moved or replaced.
Something has to happen in Labour party HQ. Little is not a complete idiot. There’s actually a bit about him that I like, in that he’s more traditional Labour than the PC Progressive tree-hugging faction that seems to dominate.
Surely he can see that its not working. He needs some ideas, some remedies and some fix it strategies.
Edit- you know I agree with a lot of the criticism of JK. Just do not think endlessly bashing him with the PC stick is going to work.
If Key wants to act like an arsehole, you appear to not think that people should not point that out – so a political party can win? You have a damn strange idea about how the left (or the right for that matter) actually operate.
This isn’t being driven by politics particularly. It is driven by what type of society people think that we should have.
The political parties seldom lead in pushing this view. It is the other way around for the main parties because they all have to pull from the apolitical ‘centre’. As you say, they don’t like slagging off the PM until it becomes the perceived ‘norm’ – as it appears to be heading towards for John Key at present (which is probably why his handlers are pushing the ‘poor me’ defence at present).
In my experience the political parties get pulled by the supporters and activists rather than trying to push such ‘tactics’. The exception being the interesting and quite deliberate job that National did after they unwittingly tapped into that vein of bigotry after the Owera speech by Brash. But even there it was more by co-oping the activists in the absence of any effective left social media than doing it themselves.
In this case with Key it is being driven by many peoples growing disgust that this unthinking fuckwit is at the head of our government. Some of us saw him for what he was when he entered parliament, others picked up on it later. But the political parties of the left have little to do with it.
Now I recognize that you don’t see Key in quite that way, as a unfeeling personality devoid of empathy and forethought. It may be because you share a lot of traits with him, so you are blind to those aspects of his personality. I view him as one who uses and dumps people and groups of people without looking to see the damage he causes. He is almost the epitome of a poor employer chasing shareholder dividends in the next quarter rather than planning for the growth required to sustain the future. A parasite feeding on the wealth of others rather than a someone who creates wealth.
About the only thing we seem to agree on is that he is a short-term thinker who is powered by polling rather than his brains or vision.
BTW: I note that you didn’t look at your own actions against Helen Clark – in retrospect and given your argument here, I suspect that you have a bit of hypocritical guilt?
Crickets
You must have seen me write on my opinion of John Key before?
Possibly not. I got a bit tired of expressing my personal opinion of him here about 2010. He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
I tend to be rather blunt when I express opinions.
He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
We used to call them ‘management surfers’ … they ride the crest of the wave into a role, then as soon as it breaks they’re off to the next one. It makes for a spectacular looking career, and many people get taken in … but in hindsight you see how little they actually achieve.
And later again, how much damage they’ve caused.
Because relatively few of us work for large global corporates, most New Zealanders don’t really encounter these types. Only once you’ve been suckered and used by them a few times do you get good at spotting them.
You are spot on with your critique of that man Lynn. Blunt away
Hello Lynn I’ve noticed when I hit the reply button, the curser drops into the name field instead of the comment box, any ideas. Thanks
First on the fix list when I stop for the ‘holiday’
Cheers, top of the season to you an your family Lynn.
🙂
‘Baiter…..Hitler had public opinion.
“these attacks on John Key for perceived transgressions of tyrannical politically correct dictates will backfire on you badly.”
I’m struggling to see where I attacked the PM. I said “this is him”. end.of.story.
Is this not him? Please do tell – is someone was stepping in for the Prime Minister there?
I think Key is an idiot and he sure acted like one when he appeared on the subject radio show. Painful to watch. Just bringing the office of PM down.
But it was nothing more than idiocy.
To try and turn it into an attack on women, or indicating support of rape culture , etc etc is the error.
“To try and turn it into an attack on women, or indicating support of rape culture , etc etc is the error.”
I’m struggling to see where I did that in this comment too.
I pointed out that what is on that video is who we have for PM. Is this not correct? But as far as rape goes, is this not what the people on that video were alluding to?
Agree red, the left has said its piece, JK has stolen some more oxygen, so let’s move on. It’s like we have a hyperactive attention craving toddler running the country.
The NatCorp strategy is to make every. single. goddamn. news. item. about. FJK, and we keep falling into it.
“In January, the first public poll of the year showed National with 49.8 per cent support, Labour on 29.1, the Greens on 9.3, and New Zealand First on 6.9. ”
After about a dozen “scandals” over the year attacking John Key, mostly with PC based criticisms, what do we have in the final poll?
“in December, the last public poll of 2015 was released. …. National had 51.3 per cent support, Labour 31.1, the Greens 8.2, and New Zealand First were on 5.7.”
That is a major fail.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/75310091/Polls-show-Government-not-as-out-of-touch-as-claimed
So our PM is nothing more than idiocy. Oh God…..all the nation’s prayers answered. An idiot !
dude, it ain’t a strategy. it’s a watercooler and we’re bitching round it. if you don’t like the topic, go off to whaleoil or some other watercoolerof your choosing.
it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness, and everything to do with common decency and propriety.
The best way to protect our democracy and values is to attack those who undermine them
“We should not tolerate conditions in prison that have no place in any civilized country,” Obama said in a speech at the NAACP National Convention in Philadelphia on Tuesday. “We should not be tolerating overcrowding in prison. We should not be tolerating gang activity in prison.
“We should not be tolerating rape in prison, and we shouldn’t be making jokes about it in our popular culture,” Obama added. “That is no joke. These things are unacceptable
Still, its just PC ballderdash
Oh Tracey……you crazy you…..you mean to say you don’t support Serco ???
I have a vivid mind’s eye of Michelle Obama turning to Barack and saying “B…..WTF ?”
It’s not like he’s new to this shit……recall the laughy laughy about the child rapist/murderer Phillip Smith ? Recall the comment “I only apologise when…….” re Tania Billingsley ? Recall the ponytail shit ?
The man’s a child with behavioural problems and a fucking disgrace ! Thank you not Michelle Boag and the Business Roundtable. For importing this buffoon.
Which is why white ribbon having him as an ambassador is a joke.
A total embarrassment.
PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
Labour sorry for everything including their own gender = 28% support.
Merry Xmas, although must be difficult when so bitter and twisted.
I am appalled that you find rape funny.
Is there nothing that this narcissist psychopath does that you won’t defend.
Or are polls ratings you only defence?
Because Hitler was popular.
Yet, it was okay and much lauded a song about raping John Key’s daughter. Where was the voice from the left decrying that?
Interestingly enough, the movie Deliverance is stored in the United States Film Registry as a significant movie for its time. And it is a hard watching movie.
There is also a you-tube clip showing a marathon that is run in the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme.
Do you tell lots of lies much?
No. I leave it to you lot and the Herald.
…you lot…
There is precisely one of me, and I’m always happy to correct myself when I’ve made a false statement.
As my link proves, you are the one who has something in common with The Herald.
Doesnt read any material which may contradict the Govt memes
and thinks Deliverance was a comedy…
Have you watched the movie McFlock? As I said, it is a hard watching movie.
Indeed.
But it is also irrelevant. What was your point in bringing up it or the marathon – that john key is not alone in his shitty behaviour? How many of the “locals” are white ribbon ambassadors (or its Tennessee equivalent), do you think?
I think he was making a comparison by saying that those who think key and the prank are funny come from
” … the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme. “
Key is PM.
Yes the left deried that song, including on this site.
Not bitter and twisted Tory, just wondering how rape became flavour of the day.
I wonder if he will have a good old chuckle if [deleted]?
[lprent: Too far. In my view it verges on advocating violence. ]
Hami S
Inappropriate. Not a thought to be published on TS.
Sorry lprent. Fair call. It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does. I suppose the better class (rich) women on Planet Key never experience any of the dreadful things women in the real world do. They’re probably too busy getting their servants to launder and press all the golf attire for their menfolk while at their estates in Hawaii.
A friend of mine knows a man who had very much the same attitude on this subject as Key does – until his sister was attacked. Things really hit home to him then, and he is a changed man. That is why I made that comment.
“It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does”
Firstly, a joke about ‘picking up the soap’ would refer to male on male rape, so nothing to do with women that have suffered assault. Secondly, he didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. Thirdly, he never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
I think you are projecting and hearing what you want to hear, and while I did not read your initial post prior to it being censored, language that “verges on advocating violence” is far worse than what the PM does in this video. It sounds like you are advocating violence against women using the same long bow you have drawn, so maybe you should have a good hard look at yourself first.
5. He didnt immediately condemn the pank when he “realised” what he had been “duped” into.
If you intended to mount the
” I may be the PM but I am just not very bright” defence,
You succeeded. And it is not a good defence for a PM.
That particular radio host made a nasty video clip of a Dancing With The Stars contestant which she was appalled by and let it be known she was disgusted. I suppose by your standards that is ok – just a bit of fun and lighten up and have a laugh. Wonder how you would feel if it was a female relative of yours being belittled.
That particular radio host Is who the prime minister chooses to wallow with.
I was not referring to his male rape episode. I was referring to his earlier behaviour towards the female MPs in Parliament who had been sexually assaulted, and to his dismissive attitude to the young woman assaulted by the Malaysian Diplomat. My post which was withdrawn was perhaps a bit inflammatory, however it was in response to John Key’s recent attitude towards the rape of women . Not to mention his extremely casual attitude to the Roastbusters miscreants, or the repulsive and creepy behaviour towards the young owner of the pony-tail. He wouldn’t have pulled my ponytail without retribution! So so creepy that whole thing! Parents out there would be very angry if that pony-tail girl was their daughter I am sure. You did not read what I said in that post so why on earth are you commenting on it? . And I happen to be a woman myself FYI.
as long as its not his daughter its a joke to our pm what an arshole
Perhaps that is why Paris upset him so much cos his daughter is at the Sorbonne
I feel exactly the same, Linda. Everything is a joke to Key, as long as he and his family are protected from any kind of harm. However it is comforting to know that Miss Karma is alive and well. I like to think of Karma as a rather large heffalump with a very short wick!
National didn’t get anywhere near 50% support. But if you want to go off the vote on the day, the left and the right were fairly evenly split depending on where you think NZF fit in.
Happy Christmas weka. Thanks for keeping TS on track and for presenting the Greens points of difference so regularly.
Thanks grey! Best wishes to you for the new year 🙂
@Tory.
The PM you support makes a cheap, smutty joke about prison rape and you justify it with bogus polling data.
You really ARE being a rape apologist here.
@RedLogix
“The PM you support makes a cheap, smutty joke about prison rape”
Citation please? Watch the video again with your blinkers removed, he doesn’t even laugh at the joke let alone make reference to prison rape.
You are also projecting (seems to be a theme in this thread), Tory certainly makes no reference to prison rape in his/her comment, but certainly makes a point around public perception of the ‘holier than thou, we will read 2 levels too deep into a situation and damn you for it’ left.
Watch the wingnut twist and squirm and pretend that participation is not involvement. Bob takes one for the team 😆
Watch the wingnut twist and squirm and pretend that John Key personally set the whole thing up and deliberately referred to prison rape.
Good try at deflection OAB, how about you akshully watch the video for a change and not just run your mouth off playing the man because you know you have lost the argument as normal.
As I have stated above:
He didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. He never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
Paging Dr. Bellman.
Merry Christmas OAB, good to see year after year, some things never change.
I’ve got a 2016 NY resolution for you, try to actually participate in a discussion, tough I know, but I honestly believe you have it in you.
When you come up with a new argument, I’ll rebut it: if all you can do is repeat yourself I’m going to make reference to argumentum ad nauseam whether you like it or not.
Key’s participation in the ‘gag’ was essential for its intended audience to find it funny. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
Correct, his participation was essential, as he had agreed to visit a commercial radio station as a guest, and guests on commercial radio stations are almost always invited to participate in some form of gag, that does not mean he condones or made jokes about prison rape. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
So where is Key’s demand for an apology for setting him up as the fall guy in such a distasteful and ill-judged stunt?
Or a statement from him that there will be no more appearances on the Rock because of what happened?
His silence loudly signals that he was a willing participant and he actively condones what happened.
The is only one person pretending here Bob.
Baby steps, Bob.
You denied he had “made” the joke, and then you confess he participated in it. Would you care to revisit either of those mutually exclusive statements?
So remind me RedLogix, at which point in the video above does John Key make a joke about or condone prison rape?
Just to the nearest 5 second block will be fine…oh that’s right, he did nothing of the sort, “His silence loudly signals that he was a willing participant and he actively condones what happened”, bullshit, he was a willing participant in a radio gag but at no point did anyone mention prison, rape, or anything else untoward. You have simply taken the simple act of picking up a piece of soap and extrapolated to your hearts content. The only ones pretending are those that seriously believe the PM did anything other than make a fool of himself in public.
Bob is really plumbing the depths of stupidity now. “Pick up the soap” has no subtext, just like “paging Dr. Dunning-Kruger”.
So tell me Bob … if the ‘cake of soap’ and ‘pretty little mouth’ and the cage had no meaning whatsoever as you are claiming, then exactly what the hell was our PM doing?
Can you link to his condemnation of the prank and how long after he “realised”?
“he simply picked up the soap.”
And sniggered and smiles as doing so.
He knew perfectly well the implications.
He was seated at the time, does prison rape normally happen while people are seated picking up soap?
I don’t know enough about prison rape and have never joked about it in the past, but I was under the impression from Hollywood movies it normally happens while people are showering, not while sitting down in a cage.
Did it occur to you he was sniggering because he was picking up what looked more like a urinal cake?
cf:
Which is it – he wasn’t laughing or he was laughing at “urinal cake”? And even if either is the case, should a White Ribbon ambassador really be oblivious to “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”?
He sniggered when picking up what looks like a urinal cake, and he didn’t laugh when someone said “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”, two different things.
Perhaps you could point out where he laughed at a rape joke?
thestandard.org.nz/ladies-and-gentlemen-this-is-your-prime-minister/#comment-1111258
Again, just any 5 second time period during the clip above will be fine.
Every time he laughed or sniggered picking up what he was told was soap while sharing a cage with someone else.
But you’re being obtuse: I never said when he laughed. I merely pointed out that you have said he didn’t laugh, and then that he did laugh – apparently at urinal cake (very prime ministerial).
I then pointed out that as a white ribbon ambassador, even one oblivious to prison rape allegations under his government, he shouldn’t have let the “pretty little mouth” line go unchallenged. Or was that too obscure for him, too?
You seem to be arguing that our prime minister (let alone a white ribbon ambassador) is completely oblivious to innuendo about sexual assault, or at least lets it pass without comment. Is this really your best angle on his behaviour?
A urinal cake? You say he recognised that but missed the rest of the implcations?
@ Tory (3) – FJK is a perverted creep. He has a history in his responses towards sexual assault –
Ridiculing David Cunliffe for apologizing for being a man, concerned through the high incidence of rape and sexual assault in NZ.
There is Tania Billingsley, a victim of an intended sexual violation, who FJK refused to apologize to for allowing the offender to leave the country.
Now this. The PM, who incidentally is supposed to be a statesman, being “one of the lads.” treating rape as a joke!
That’s three regarding sexual violation.
Then there was the assault of a waitress, through his constant fondling of her hair (ponytail)!
Are we still counting …? Is there more to come?
Anyone who condones the actions of FJK mocking rape is as equally disturbed as he is!
Rape is nothing to laugh at!
Unfortunately there is not a lot there in the top six inches.
Cunning is not the same as clever aye?
Whois ? A PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
those who support someone who supports everything that is required by everyone else but those who live in this country
u screw, up Key is a disgrace
Strange you know……went to a dinner ‘poarty’ in a leafy Auckland suburb on the weekend. Buffoon of a man who hitherto has been the strongest supporter of this gauche idiot, on purportedly technical terms, reduced to this……”Oh come on……he’s just trying to be a good bloke !”. Putting aside that all us adults got over that insecure shit decades ago…….Kia Ora !
Another internationally embarrassing headline from our PM.
It is almost as embarrassing as hearing New Zealand mentioned in a TYT video as one of the countries that had a high percentage of people who think it would be alright to target and kill civilians during a bombing campaign.
TYT?
In 2002 Cenk Uygur launched an online program called “The Young Turks,” which he billed as the first video news show on the Internet. In December 2011 Uygur took the program, with his name added to the title to differentiate it from the online show, to television on Current TV. The nightly show features guests who offer their opinions on topics from the worlds of politics and pop culture. Although Uygur was born in Turkey, the show’s title is not related to his nationality. It refers to a phrase used to describe someone who is an insurgent or radical in a political party who advocates for changes in the group.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks
“Which Cultures Are Most Comfortable Killing Civilians?” on The Young Turks YouTube channel?
Where’s John Oliver? Or has Key gone too far for him this time?
I think Mr Oliver’s mouth is still agape – he needs more time to actually make himself believe that this man really is Prime Minister of ANYWHERE!!
John and his editorial team stopped doing stories on NZ when they realised, these instances weren’t amusing one offs… but how we actually are
Actually this sort of behaviour and just doing/saying what you want with almost no limits reminds me of Trump. Both individuals and their ‘outgoing’ behaviour will always appeal to a distinct, easily manipulated sector of the population. These naive people just don’t realise they’re dating a sociopath. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Kyle MacDonald: John Key shouldn’t be White Ribbon ambassador
‘Contrary to what some have suggested in the last few days, I do have a sense of humour. I just don’t think sexual violence is funny.
The sexual assault rate in New Zealand is far higher than the world average. New Zealand rates as third-highest alongside Australia, and about one in five women and one in six men will experience sexual violence in their lifetime.
We also have one of the highest rates (the highest in some reports) rate of domestic violence, with one in three women experiencing intimate partner violence in their lifetime.
And call me old fashioned, but I believe that our Prime Minister should be a leader, a statesman even………
…………..So if, like me, you expect more of White Ribbon, and more of our Prime Minister then add your support to my petition with Action Station to dump John Key as an ambassador.
Until then, and sadly, I’m taking a different pledge. I can’t wear a white ribbon again until White Ribbon Campaign start acting in line with their stated mission and values.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11564231
Kevin MacDonald or Kyle MacDonald?
Kyle. He’s a psychotherapist.
And the petition Kyle MacDonald instigated, to request White Ribbon stand down as an ambassador:
Should read ” White Ribbon stand Key down as an ambassador”
And here is a direct link to the petition.
http://www.actionstation.org.nz/noribbon
Or, send a message to White Ribbon…this is what I sent a wee while ago….Oh! The irony of their “Key Messages” page.
“VIOLENCE IS NOT JUST PHYSICAL
Psychological/emotional violence is a very common form of violence experienced by women and children. Many women say it is the worst kind of abuse.Psychological/emotional abuse is about manipulation and coercion, and affects your emotions and personality, rather than your body. Victims of emotional abuse can feel like they are going mad, are very frightened, and feel like they have no choices and are often made to feel like it’s their fault.This form of abuse is often underestimated. It’s not recognised by many people because it can be subtle and hidden. Survivors say psychological abuse attacks their spirit and self-esteem and its effects can last the longest.
From your very own “Key Messages” page.
You men really need to think about the impact of your continued support for an abusive man. The fact that that abusive man is the Prime Minister of New Zealand makes this much, much worse.
Drop Key as an ambassador NOW, please.”
We are paying the salary of this low life dickhead piece of filth. Kiwis should get some guts and get rid of him.
@ cogito – but how do we get rid of the despot FJK? Doing it legally through the ballot box doesn’t work, because he’s still here, riding the wave of power, through deceit, corruption and lies!
Other than organized passive resistance or civil disobedience protest, I honestly can’t see any means of disposing of FJK. Even then he’d use his personal police force and military to quell the dissenters, violently!
Of course there is revolution. However, I honestly can’t see enough Kiwis coming together as a powerful collective force to revolt! Such action would require a strong, charismatic, dedicated leader, who was able to win the faith and trust of his/her “troops” (for want of a better word). No one comes to mind in that regard.
So what else is available to us?
The 1.0 million missing voters?
You got my vote hell yeah
Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Prime Minister –
mooning? That might be too cheeky even for him.
planking
sneering
debasing the country
refusing affordable actions to keep people in basic work
ditto to keep people basically housed
ditto to keep children healthy, happy and well brought up
ditto to keep our resources in good condition and available for our children
Absent from the House when important matters of ethical behaviour are being raised, absent from intelligent input when in the House, absent through visiting overseas cultivating people useful to him, looking after his investments, spending time in Hawaii.
Present (as in I’m standing behind you NZs watching) as people –
lose necessary income on their investments,
lose their life savings because of leaky home syndrome,
suffer depression and poverty and suicide,
because of inadequate jobs and pay, with limited opportunities for better,
because of inadequate or no housing with ditto
because of inadequate health provision with ditto
because of climate change disasters and other types, with irreplaceable loss of personal and public resources,
because of the lack of opportunities for people to work and to live a good life determined by themselves,
because of the determination of the elite to wipe out all ‘menial’ jobs that can be done more cheaply overseas causing huge unemployment, under-employment and third world or colonial living conditions.
because of the continuing of the wipe-out mentality of the elite in signing up secret treaties with our countries’ elites that will remove human living conditions for the masses as their jobs are off-shored, robotised etc.
because of the almost complete lack of planning and implementation of policies to meet the problems that the present climate change trend is already bringing
because of the almost complete lack of acceptance and responsible action to attempt to reduce the effects of climate change by cutting emissions and other problems.
So what next? A progression to totalatarianism, war? Some reading for the break (in short daily doses only) – links about times and actions around the great wars.
One way of firing slow economies and reducing population would be to participate in a (last) great war which would obviously include most of the unemployed (not needed and a waste of space) and half of the middle class (ditto, after computerisation and automation). Objectively, war is a good money earner for armament-maker countries and WW2 provided many lessons in practical tactics that have been honed in the smaller wars since.
If one compares the era 1918-1929 (which was the start of the Great Depression), the frenetic behaviour, the fun-filled, pleasure-oriented public mood, then to the present it sets John Key’s theatrical behaviour in context. I feel that we are poised on the cutting edge of disaster, with our economy inherently unhealthy and even in good times based on borrowing overseas. People’s feelings have become paramount for measuring business health – do businesses feel confident, are ready to employ or invest? Do people feel wealthy because their house values are rising? Feelings are all, not actual relevant statistics, and all the time, the figures for deprivation are growing.
It is not possible that this era can end with us off the cutting edge, and on firm ground and prepared for difficulties, reasonably self-sufficient, because of the mind-set and indolence of the in-power group. And when the puppet Key can’t be usefully manipulated more, who next until we come to the end, between a rock and a hard place. At present we are under a spell of apparent good times, everything must be okay! Right. I’ve put a spell on you!
The years between 1918 the end of WW1, and the start of WW2 in 1939 (only 21 years after the end of WW1 touted “The War to end all Wars) there were gay young things, short skirts, the Charleston, nightclubs, theatricals on stage, but behind pulling the ropes adjusting the mechanics of the real theatre, were the architects of the future. “Following his appointment as chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler began laying the foundations for Nazi control of the state….By the end of July 1933, almost 27,000 people—virtually all of them political prisoners — were incarcerated in these camps. …After 1939,…the concentration camp system expanded rapidly…Those used as forced laborers were deliberately undernourished and mistreated with the intent that they be “annihilated by work.””*
While this was happening some of the British aristocracy including the future King, were friendly with Hitler, and his drive to boost the German economy and nation impressed them. Collateral damage to people was not noticed by their limited peripheral vision.
This is informed appraisal of the Wars One and Two and their times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_World_War_I#Social_trauma
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/dec/09/-sp-myth-of-the-good-war
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/11/first-world-war-changing-british-society
* http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007656
Your paranoia is showing. I actually don’t think all this from Key is ideology or part of some master plan to anything. It’s all personal, ego-based, with short term objectives being popularity and wanting to be liked by those around him. These types of people just get caught up in it all, as probably happened to ego-driven Roger Douglas and Co. i.e. Seemed a good idea at the time, just perverse, evil outcomes sending the country down a wrong path. Fortunately this case is far less damaging, only making New Zealanders look like idiots on the world stage. Still, it does sow the seeds for a leadership change to someone else who has a political vision beyond self. (Is there one?)
Bottom line? He’s become bored with us, the humble, poor voters… Just give him a knighthood and let him retire to Hawaii. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Detrie
You are ignoring decades of politics. What is happening today is on a continuum and not some one-off brainfart on the part of the National Party and PM.
Yes Detrie……your facile resort to “…..paranoia is showing” is not impressive.
You are a dull troll.
Winston tried to make New Zealanders aware however he was written off as a nutter?
Yes ego driven i refer to his speech as a young nat with all the gaul of a privileged twat
“Yes one day I would like to be PM OF THIS COUNTRY”
I wish I hadnt been doing 60 hr weeks back then I might have taken the time to change how I saw the future. The plight of the working class in a nutshell
Nostalgia. Those were the days when you could get 60 hours work a week./sarc
Ripped off, video contained no footage of The People’s Champion whatsoever
Wow!. The Key Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.
Get a life!
The more you bang on hysterically about John Key the more you turn off real New Zealanders. Who is writing your material? Preaching to the choir yet turning off the people.
I do not expect you to learn. I anticipate the Key Derangement Syndrome will only intensify when he wins in 2017 and 2020 and 2023.
So you support making jokes about rape, I guess?
As long as it’s your God Key who does it.
lol, 2023.
I strongly suspect he’s lost interest in the job and will hand it over sometime in 2016.
you may be right…we can hope
You can ‘feel’ it, can’t you?
You can feel it, in the air.
In your soul.
Change – big change…..coming.
Feel the Love – Good feelings won’t come from John Key – try the Rudimentals in session.
But looking at the contenders to replace PM. He/she might be worse. Imagine Joyce or Collins as our Leader. Hell’s Bells!
No. Actually the Leader and PM in 2026 will be Chris Bishop.
That’s nice. Does he enjoy rape jokes too?
Have you stopped beating your partner?
I never started. Never even pulled their ponytail without consent (but then some people find ponytails particularly tantalising).
Is John Crosby related to Bill Crosby?
what?
TV One is an unbiased State Broadcaster?
again – what are you on about?
Do you find rape funny?
Have you stopped beating your dick Fused Anus ? Certainly I can see no evidence that you have. As inglorious as ever our dear Fused Anus !
Is this what you call reasoned discussion. Are you a 10 year old boy behind the bike shed getting your jollies from name calling. Par for the course from Leftists.
You could be describing the PM
This is a laugh. The only way I see him being PM is via dictatorship. National are the best party at destroying their political capital. This is before you take into account collapsing globalism and trade, and debt defaults. Things that will send them into oblivion.
It’s just going through the motions, it is all we have to do.
This is going to be huge – don’t leave ‘anything’ out – hit them where it hurts.
The bigger, the better.
have reconsidered and on reflection would say although Key has lost interest (he certainly doesn’t appear to be making an effort and is increasingly reckless) it is still his intention to run at the next election and his recent foray into light entertainment is designed to attract a portion of the first time voting demographic with his “brand”…in this age celebrity name recognition and a feeling of personal knowing is all important….just look at the number of media personalities in both local and national governance, most with no relevant background to their duties
Is this part of the exit strategy???
I can’t believe this would be spontaneous and without the knowledge of the PM and his minders. The whole thing was set up to create outrage and an opportunity.
Wonder if we’re going to see a strong, moral, maybe female leader emerge to take the mantle from a contrite incumbent who will sail off to something else….
That’s clever Graeme. Could well be the scenario.
Well, I think that (at the very least) it’s an acknowledgement that his core support comes from appealing to thugs and alienating opponents from the entire system.
certainly policy and performance have nothing to do with it, otherwise he’d be defending his government in substantive interviews.
But also I think he’s not even particularly trying for prime ministerial credibility these days – whether that’s a strategy of playing to his boorish strengths or just him doing the easy media stunts where he won’t be challenged (i.e. the minimum he can manage without a full-blown revolt in caucus), that’s a debatable point.
As you say, I doubt the cage stunt could have been an outright ambush by the presenters. Funnily enough I believe it mirrors where several of his past and present caucus members quite likely should (and might yet) reside.
A moral leader? Do tell.
Well, moral to 51% of the Nat. caucus
I doubt the word gets used in many caucuses
How about a revolution in the street french style
You giving odds on that treble?
Good to see by the comments here Whale Oil is alive and well on the left.
There is no difference between the two whatsoever.
Both are generally filled with trash and filth.
[lprent: Like all raving lunatic trolls, you fail to point to or link to any specific examples. Preferring instead to smear everyone rather than to provide evidence of your pig-ignorant stupidity and lack of evidence, probably because you are scared of withstanding the critical analysis and ridicule that giving details would result in.
Please read the policy, and note that if you want to make an assertion of fact as you did in your comment, then you are expected to specifically point to evidence, and to make that evidence related to specific instances. That you accurately described yourself “trash and filth” is not acceptable as a plea in mitigation.
Adding you to autospam – it is clear that you are not competent to accept the responsibilities of a commenter here. ]
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/292683/no-sign-of-migration-tide-turning-analyst
70,000 people came here to enjoy our great country and government and PM. Do you seriously think any of these people are Labour voters? Do you seriously think an Aucklander with a Chinese sounding name will vote Labour. Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?
Do you seriously think 70,000 of them would support a PM who finds rape funny?
“Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?”
Because they like bent corrupt interfering dictators, like they have back home in China.
Obama got it right when he sarcastically asked Turnbull if he actually talked to the NZers. Key is a figure of international derision, a clown, a galloping colonial clot, a national embarrassment.
“Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?”
like the sharemarket, you draw in the mugs so you can salvage something and leave them holding the bag
I forgot about the ‘joke’ to the Chilean president, about not inviting the kiwi child abuser to lunch. Maybe BLiP has another list around.
look panda, and we all fall for it
I’ve jiss wotched ONE Netwerk News (Your Newzzzz).
Whilst I’ve no doubt there are elements within that take their ‘craft’ searissly (and who hope to win some sort of hideous plaque at the next {SPONSOR insert} award, whereby they can thank their mutha and brutha, and say things like “there’s no betta ward than to be jujjd by ya peers” and “Oi owe it all ta thos that cum before me” ……..
ONE networj News (of fuk it! the errors and effort in bothering to ‘bekspace’ in order to givim a proper name going forward is more than they’re worth) ……
ONE Netwerk Neeeeyoos left the oitum with the offering that it was all in the Christmas Sprit.
Christ Almighty!!!!!
Do they not realise that there are (ekshully) some people (utterly powerless but wing-waiting) that’ll prolly difoine their future goan fowid?
Christ Almighty (again). @ the number being crossed off the list of those capable of being committed to (and even understanding) those quaint old ideas of a 4th Estate, the VERY basic principles of democracy, the Public SPhere,, influence.
(thank your God there are quite a few around the place that remain capable)
Jesus H Fkin Kroist
don’t watch tv. seriously, just don’t.
rest assured, I don’t usually watch NZ MSM TV – it’s just that someone tipped me off to this abomination of a story that was about to be aired. Innocuous enough to begin with ….. but unsurprising the overall framing.
I can’t even remember whether or not it was Max Headroom who was centrepiece at the autocue or a ‘blonde assistant – slightly lesser specimen’ of the craft.
I guess if I was in Auckland I could shuffle off down to that waterfront establishment where the glitz and glam folk water their throats after a long long long hour of reading letters off a mirror and pretending to look ‘authoratative’.
[r0b: Tim – you have some extra junk in the name field of your comments which is why they are going in to moderation]
Interesting poll here on Stuff where 56% of the 12,687 respondents believe Key should have his White Ribbon ambassadorship revoked.
Shame that the many articulate and well reasoned comments scathing of Key’s behaviour have disappeared though.
Am I mistaken? It’s just that according to Mr Key, the soap was a bit smelly when once picked up.
IF that was Mr Key’s response, I’m just wondering how and why the claims that he didn’t know or understand the inference to male rape, or how those nice people at white ribbon can have swallowed the spin and bullshit. (that’s quite apart from the desperation of trying to spin things so that Christmas time makes things very different).
Have I ‘mis-heard’ something or have I been ‘mis-sold’ a pup?
Perhaps because it was a urinal cake and was indeed a bit smelly?
I don’t think that you have misheard, I think you have heard exactly what YOU want to hear and extrapolated to make the PM look as bad as possible because you don’t personally like his politics.
Fan girl Claire Trevett minimises Key’s behaviour.
As Stewart says “You may even be a woman. A woman who likes men who enjoy this stuff. You have a condition known as Stockholm syndrome. Look it up.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11564464
The Right Dishonourable John Key
Yeah Good Old Trev’ of Te Herald….tryin’ hard to suck Key’s arse while allowing that it’s all a bit embarrassing in a PM. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11564464
Good Luck ‘Trev……there’s a few trips/junkets in this gig yet.
Otherwise ‘Trev writes pathetic shit that my (English second language) moko’ could trump.
“tryin’ hard to suck Key’s arse ”
Are you making a joke out of sexual violation?
Consented behaviour is not violation Bop. Were I making a joke at all it would be about you Bop but you’re doing fine all on your own. All for the love of the child prime minister !
I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .
But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Absolutely wags. The prison rape jolly jape is just the last straw, appalling, offensive, crass and hurtful as it is. Key has been an ambassador for White Ribbon since 2010.
When I found this out my head exploded.
WTF are they doing with someone like Key representing their organisation?
I’m writing to Rob McCann about this today. I have his email address if any one else would like to write to him. I won’t put the email address up without the permission of the mods though. Not sure of the protocol there
“I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .”
Thank you for being the voice of reason in an otherwise overblown thread.
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Short answer, yes.
Rob I’ve noticed when you hit reply, the curse drops into the name field instead of the comments box, any ideas. ta 🙂
edit : help anyone….
I get that too, and just have to watch out for it so you don’t start typing away in the name box.
This is an interesting blog about Key and the White Ribbon Trust.
http://cheekygames.ghost.io/time-for-key-to-strip/
I see now why the CEO didn’t want to lose Key based on the funding they get from government. While the only Women’s Refuge in Christchurch has to close because of cuts in government funding the NZ branch of White Ribbon is cleaning up.
Yes, Draco T Bastard posted that very interesting and well written post last night. Well worth a read.
PS – I did write to Rob McCann btw. Just got an automated reply, saying they were away for their Christmas break. Kind of annoying because I spent quite a bit of time writing it.
Can’t let this go away like everything else.
Bob Harvey was on the news, sticking up for Key, giving ballast to the radio station. Go figure….
Key as a (supposed) statesman should have known better in the first place. Would Helen Clark have entered the cage? Dimwit Key just plays their daft games.
Bob Harvey was on the news, sticking up for Key,…
Not surprised. He’s well into his dotage now and wouldn’t know if he was coming or going.
I expect Helen’s husband keeps her up to date with what is happening in NZ. I understand she keeps in touch on a daily basis with both her husband and her father. She will never reveal her views of course but it must privately cause her some apoplexy.
What relevance is what Helen thinks
http://willnewzealandberight.com/2015/12/22/no-room-for-joking-around-rape/
Written as the son of a retired nurse who used to collect evidence for the police when they were prosecuting.
if it was an incident in isolation then maybe …
However it is a common behaviour with Key.
He does not appear to have the nous to tell people that their behaviour is inappropriate.
Reflect on the occasion with Paul Henry over the Governor General Anand Satyanand being a Kiwi.
As in that case and this one in the cage, Key should have fronted up to the presenters and said their line is inappropriate. That should have gained him kudos.
But not Key. He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it (or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.
Former I should think. He’s playing to a particular audience and he doesn’t care about those of us who believe in “appropriate” standards because we stopped voting for him long ago – or we never started – so our responses mean nothing to him.
“He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.”
Both I think. But unlike as some think, at the end of the day I actually think he’s not very smart. He doesn’t think quickly on his feet and often just says whatever comes into his head and most of the time it’s not pretty.
He either doesn’t have the warning bells a person with strong intuition and intelligence has or if he does he ignores them because he mostly gets away with behaving badly. A shockingly subservient media aids him when his mask slips and he reveals his true nature but his followers cannot, or will not see it.
Sadly he exposes (and plays to) an ugly side to New Zealand society.
I see the video has been removed, I wonder who ordered it removed? Political interference?
or youtube copyright
It’s ok*, The Daily Mail has a copy.
*no, wait, nothing involving The Daily Mail is ever “ok”.
I also think that Key just craves the limelight, at the cost of good governance or being a solid statesman, and grabs every op that is offered. A bit of a lad, just having a blast, What country to run?