Look, I do not like Key, as any one who has read my blog will know, but these attacks on John Key for perceived transgressions of tyrannical politically correct dictates will backfire on you badly.
Donald Trump is riding a wave of popularity in the US because he has tapped into public dislike of political correctness.
The NZ Labour party are still flogging it like the proverbial dead horse.
People do not like political correctness. Many of them, like myself, don’t like JK much, but are appalled at the delusional and nonsensical attacks the left continually mount against the PM. All underpinned by political correctness.
As I say here, people want to see ideas and policies. They’re sick to death of this PC balderdash.
Its a strategy that will most likely see JK win a fourth term.
Islam is more than a religion, its a political ideology with beliefs that are at odds with the Constitution of the United States Republic. Namely its ambition to eventually achieve a theocratic tyranny.
…but are appalled at the delusional and nonsensical attacks the left continually mount against the PM…
Leaving aside your ‘Politically correct’ obsession which is rather irrelevant to your actual argument. Other people would argue that the public expousing of the neo-liberal nonsense by its proponents when they departed the rigours of academic rigour and that that you religiously parrot is similarly deluded.
Lets look at actions? What was your attitude in comments to the very similar “delusional and nonsensical attacks that the..” right continually mounted against the PM (Hulun Klark from 2002-2007 and beyond).
I could probably dig them out without a problem if you’d like. I’d just have to establish the linkage between who you are now, and who you were then. But suffice it to say that to me you just read like a hypocrite with an appallingly selective memory about your own behaviour.
Everywhere I go I read the left lamenting the fact that they cannot put a dent in Key’s popularity or grow their own support.
I’m telling you why I think that is. I think you’re out of touch with public opinion.
I also think there is something badly adrift in Labour Party management and supporting this is the fact that they can’t appear to come up with any kind of winning strategy.
All the resources and energy poured into trying to hurt JK and no result.
What happens in any organisation if you continue to push ideas that do not work?
I’ll tell you. You get fired moved or replaced.
Something has to happen in Labour party HQ. Little is not a complete idiot. There’s actually a bit about him that I like, in that he’s more traditional Labour than the PC Progressive tree-hugging faction that seems to dominate.
Surely he can see that its not working. He needs some ideas, some remedies and some fix it strategies.
Edit- you know I agree with a lot of the criticism of JK. Just do not think endlessly bashing him with the PC stick is going to work.
If Key wants to act like an arsehole, you appear to not think that people should not point that out – so a political party can win? You have a damn strange idea about how the left (or the right for that matter) actually operate.
This isn’t being driven by politics particularly. It is driven by what type of society people think that we should have.
The political parties seldom lead in pushing this view. It is the other way around for the main parties because they all have to pull from the apolitical ‘centre’. As you say, they don’t like slagging off the PM until it becomes the perceived ‘norm’ – as it appears to be heading towards for John Key at present (which is probably why his handlers are pushing the ‘poor me’ defence at present).
In my experience the political parties get pulled by the supporters and activists rather than trying to push such ‘tactics’. The exception being the interesting and quite deliberate job that National did after they unwittingly tapped into that vein of bigotry after the Owera speech by Brash. But even there it was more by co-oping the activists in the absence of any effective left social media than doing it themselves.
In this case with Key it is being driven by many peoples growing disgust that this unthinking fuckwit is at the head of our government. Some of us saw him for what he was when he entered parliament, others picked up on it later. But the political parties of the left have little to do with it.
Now I recognize that you don’t see Key in quite that way, as a unfeeling personality devoid of empathy and forethought. It may be because you share a lot of traits with him, so you are blind to those aspects of his personality. I view him as one who uses and dumps people and groups of people without looking to see the damage he causes. He is almost the epitome of a poor employer chasing shareholder dividends in the next quarter rather than planning for the growth required to sustain the future. A parasite feeding on the wealth of others rather than a someone who creates wealth.
About the only thing we seem to agree on is that he is a short-term thinker who is powered by polling rather than his brains or vision.
BTW: I note that you didn’t look at your own actions against Helen Clark – in retrospect and given your argument here, I suspect that you have a bit of hypocritical guilt?
You must have seen me write on my opinion of John Key before?
Possibly not. I got a bit tired of expressing my personal opinion of him here about 2010. He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
I tend to be rather blunt when I express opinions.
He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
We used to call them ‘management surfers’ … they ride the crest of the wave into a role, then as soon as it breaks they’re off to the next one. It makes for a spectacular looking career, and many people get taken in … but in hindsight you see how little they actually achieve.
And later again, how much damage they’ve caused.
Because relatively few of us work for large global corporates, most New Zealanders don’t really encounter these types. Only once you’ve been suckered and used by them a few times do you get good at spotting them.
“To try and turn it into an attack on women, or indicating support of rape culture , etc etc is the error.”
I’m struggling to see where I did that in this comment too.
I pointed out that what is on that video is who we have for PM. Is this not correct? But as far as rape goes, is this not what the people on that video were alluding to?
Agree red, the left has said its piece, JK has stolen some more oxygen, so let’s move on. It’s like we have a hyperactive attention craving toddler running the country.
The NatCorp strategy is to make every. single. goddamn. news. item. about. FJK, and we keep falling into it.
“In January, the first public poll of the year showed National with 49.8 per cent support, Labour on 29.1, the Greens on 9.3, and New Zealand First on 6.9. ”
After about a dozen “scandals” over the year attacking John Key, mostly with PC based criticisms, what do we have in the final poll?
“in December, the last public poll of 2015 was released. …. National had 51.3 per cent support, Labour 31.1, the Greens 8.2, and New Zealand First were on 5.7.”
dude, it ain’t a strategy. it’s a watercooler and we’re bitching round it. if you don’t like the topic, go off to whaleoil or some other watercoolerof your choosing.
“We should not tolerate conditions in prison that have no place in any civilized country,” Obama said in a speech at the NAACP National Convention in Philadelphia on Tuesday. “We should not be tolerating overcrowding in prison. We should not be tolerating gang activity in prison.
“We should not be tolerating rape in prison, and we shouldn’t be making jokes about it in our popular culture,” Obama added. “That is no joke. These things are unacceptable
I have a vivid mind’s eye of Michelle Obama turning to Barack and saying “B…..WTF ?”
It’s not like he’s new to this shit……recall the laughy laughy about the child rapist/murderer Phillip Smith ? Recall the comment “I only apologise when…….” re Tania Billingsley ? Recall the ponytail shit ?
The man’s a child with behavioural problems and a fucking disgrace ! Thank you not Michelle Boag and the Business Roundtable. For importing this buffoon.
PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
Labour sorry for everything including their own gender = 28% support.
Merry Xmas, although must be difficult when so bitter and twisted.
I am appalled that you find rape funny.
Is there nothing that this narcissist psychopath does that you won’t defend.
Or are polls ratings you only defence?
Because Hitler was popular.
Yet, it was okay and much lauded a song about raping John Key’s daughter. Where was the voice from the left decrying that?
Interestingly enough, the movie Deliverance is stored in the United States Film Registry as a significant movie for its time. And it is a hard watching movie.
There is also a you-tube clip showing a marathon that is run in the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme.
But it is also irrelevant. What was your point in bringing up it or the marathon – that john key is not alone in his shitty behaviour? How many of the “locals” are white ribbon ambassadors (or its Tennessee equivalent), do you think?
I think he was making a comparison by saying that those who think key and the prank are funny come from
” … the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme. “
Sorry lprent. Fair call. It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does. I suppose the better class (rich) women on Planet Key never experience any of the dreadful things women in the real world do. They’re probably too busy getting their servants to launder and press all the golf attire for their menfolk while at their estates in Hawaii.
A friend of mine knows a man who had very much the same attitude on this subject as Key does – until his sister was attacked. Things really hit home to him then, and he is a changed man. That is why I made that comment.
“It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does”
Firstly, a joke about ‘picking up the soap’ would refer to male on male rape, so nothing to do with women that have suffered assault. Secondly, he didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. Thirdly, he never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
I think you are projecting and hearing what you want to hear, and while I did not read your initial post prior to it being censored, language that “verges on advocating violence” is far worse than what the PM does in this video. It sounds like you are advocating violence against women using the same long bow you have drawn, so maybe you should have a good hard look at yourself first.
That particular radio host made a nasty video clip of a Dancing With The Stars contestant which she was appalled by and let it be known she was disgusted. I suppose by your standards that is ok – just a bit of fun and lighten up and have a laugh. Wonder how you would feel if it was a female relative of yours being belittled.
That particular radio host Is who the prime minister chooses to wallow with.
I was not referring to his male rape episode. I was referring to his earlier behaviour towards the female MPs in Parliament who had been sexually assaulted, and to his dismissive attitude to the young woman assaulted by the Malaysian Diplomat. My post which was withdrawn was perhaps a bit inflammatory, however it was in response to John Key’s recent attitude towards the rape of women . Not to mention his extremely casual attitude to the Roastbusters miscreants, or the repulsive and creepy behaviour towards the young owner of the pony-tail. He wouldn’t have pulled my ponytail without retribution! So so creepy that whole thing! Parents out there would be very angry if that pony-tail girl was their daughter I am sure. You did not read what I said in that post so why on earth are you commenting on it? . And I happen to be a woman myself FYI.
I feel exactly the same, Linda. Everything is a joke to Key, as long as he and his family are protected from any kind of harm. However it is comforting to know that Miss Karma is alive and well. I like to think of Karma as a rather large heffalump with a very short wick!
National didn’t get anywhere near 50% support. But if you want to go off the vote on the day, the left and the right were fairly evenly split depending on where you think NZF fit in.
“The PM you support makes a cheap, smutty joke about prison rape”
Citation please? Watch the video again with your blinkers removed, he doesn’t even laugh at the joke let alone make reference to prison rape.
You are also projecting (seems to be a theme in this thread), Tory certainly makes no reference to prison rape in his/her comment, but certainly makes a point around public perception of the ‘holier than thou, we will read 2 levels too deep into a situation and damn you for it’ left.
Watch the wingnut twist and squirm and pretend that John Key personally set the whole thing up and deliberately referred to prison rape.
Good try at deflection OAB, how about you akshully watch the video for a change and not just run your mouth off playing the man because you know you have lost the argument as normal.
As I have stated above:
He didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. He never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
When you come up with a new argument, I’ll rebut it: if all you can do is repeat yourself I’m going to make reference to argumentum ad nauseam whether you like it or not.
Key’s participation in the ‘gag’ was essential for its intended audience to find it funny. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
Correct, his participation was essential, as he had agreed to visit a commercial radio station as a guest, and guests on commercial radio stations are almost always invited to participate in some form of gag, that does not mean he condones or made jokes about prison rape. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
You denied he had “made” the joke, and then you confess he participated in it. Would you care to revisit either of those mutually exclusive statements?
So remind me RedLogix, at which point in the video above does John Key make a joke about or condone prison rape?
Just to the nearest 5 second block will be fine…oh that’s right, he did nothing of the sort, “His silence loudly signals that he was a willing participant and he actively condones what happened”, bullshit, he was a willing participant in a radio gag but at no point did anyone mention prison, rape, or anything else untoward. You have simply taken the simple act of picking up a piece of soap and extrapolated to your hearts content. The only ones pretending are those that seriously believe the PM did anything other than make a fool of himself in public.
So tell me Bob … if the ‘cake of soap’ and ‘pretty little mouth’ and the cage had no meaning whatsoever as you are claiming, then exactly what the hell was our PM doing?
He was seated at the time, does prison rape normally happen while people are seated picking up soap?
I don’t know enough about prison rape and have never joked about it in the past, but I was under the impression from Hollywood movies it normally happens while people are showering, not while sitting down in a cage.
Did it occur to you he was sniggering because he was picking up what looked more like a urinal cake?
Did it occur to you he was sniggering because he was picking up what looked more like a urinal cake?
cf:
he doesn’t even laugh at the joke
Which is it – he wasn’t laughing or he was laughing at “urinal cake”? And even if either is the case, should a White Ribbon ambassador really be oblivious to “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”?
He sniggered when picking up what looks like a urinal cake, and he didn’t laugh when someone said “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”, two different things.
Perhaps you could point out where he laughed at a rape joke?
thestandard.org.nz/ladies-and-gentlemen-this-is-your-prime-minister/#comment-1111258
Again, just any 5 second time period during the clip above will be fine.
Every time he laughed or sniggered picking up what he was told was soap while sharing a cage with someone else.
But you’re being obtuse: I never said when he laughed. I merely pointed out that you have said he didn’t laugh, and then that he did laugh – apparently at urinal cake (very prime ministerial).
I then pointed out that as a white ribbon ambassador, even one oblivious to prison rape allegations under his government, he shouldn’t have let the “pretty little mouth” line go unchallenged. Or was that too obscure for him, too?
You seem to be arguing that our prime minister (let alone a white ribbon ambassador) is completely oblivious to innuendo about sexual assault, or at least lets it pass without comment. Is this really your best angle on his behaviour?
Whois ? A PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
those who support someone who supports everything that is required by everyone else but those who live in this country
u screw, up Key is a disgrace
Strange you know……went to a dinner ‘poarty’ in a leafy Auckland suburb on the weekend. Buffoon of a man who hitherto has been the strongest supporter of this gauche idiot, on purportedly technical terms, reduced to this……”Oh come on……he’s just trying to be a good bloke !”. Putting aside that all us adults got over that insecure shit decades ago…….Kia Ora !
Another internationally embarrassing headline from our PM.
It is almost as embarrassing as hearing New Zealand mentioned in a TYT video as one of the countries that had a high percentage of people who think it would be alright to target and kill civilians during a bombing campaign.
In 2002 Cenk Uygur launched an online program called “The Young Turks,” which he billed as the first video news show on the Internet. In December 2011 Uygur took the program, with his name added to the title to differentiate it from the online show, to television on Current TV. The nightly show features guests who offer their opinions on topics from the worlds of politics and pop culture. Although Uygur was born in Turkey, the show’s title is not related to his nationality. It refers to a phrase used to describe someone who is an insurgent or radical in a political party who advocates for changes in the group.
Actually this sort of behaviour and just doing/saying what you want with almost no limits reminds me of Trump. Both individuals and their ‘outgoing’ behaviour will always appeal to a distinct, easily manipulated sector of the population. These naive people just don’t realise they’re dating a sociopath. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Kyle MacDonald: John Key shouldn’t be White Ribbon ambassador
‘Contrary to what some have suggested in the last few days, I do have a sense of humour. I just don’t think sexual violence is funny.
The sexual assault rate in New Zealand is far higher than the world average. New Zealand rates as third-highest alongside Australia, and about one in five women and one in six men will experience sexual violence in their lifetime.
We also have one of the highest rates (the highest in some reports) rate of domestic violence, with one in three women experiencing intimate partner violence in their lifetime.
And call me old fashioned, but I believe that our Prime Minister should be a leader, a statesman even………
…………..So if, like me, you expect more of White Ribbon, and more of our Prime Minister then add your support to my petition with Action Station to dump John Key as an ambassador.
Until then, and sadly, I’m taking a different pledge. I can’t wear a white ribbon again until White Ribbon Campaign start acting in line with their stated mission and values.
Or, send a message to White Ribbon…this is what I sent a wee while ago….Oh! The irony of their “Key Messages” page.
“VIOLENCE IS NOT JUST PHYSICAL
Psychological/emotional violence is a very common form of violence experienced by women and children. Many women say it is the worst kind of abuse.Psychological/emotional abuse is about manipulation and coercion, and affects your emotions and personality, rather than your body. Victims of emotional abuse can feel like they are going mad, are very frightened, and feel like they have no choices and are often made to feel like it’s their fault.This form of abuse is often underestimated. It’s not recognised by many people because it can be subtle and hidden. Survivors say psychological abuse attacks their spirit and self-esteem and its effects can last the longest.
From your very own “Key Messages” page.
You men really need to think about the impact of your continued support for an abusive man. The fact that that abusive man is the Prime Minister of New Zealand makes this much, much worse.
@ cogito – but how do we get rid of the despot FJK? Doing it legally through the ballot box doesn’t work, because he’s still here, riding the wave of power, through deceit, corruption and lies!
Other than organized passive resistance or civil disobedience protest, I honestly can’t see any means of disposing of FJK. Even then he’d use his personal police force and military to quell the dissenters, violently!
Of course there is revolution. However, I honestly can’t see enough Kiwis coming together as a powerful collective force to revolt! Such action would require a strong, charismatic, dedicated leader, who was able to win the faith and trust of his/her “troops” (for want of a better word). No one comes to mind in that regard.
Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Prime Minister –
mooning? That might be too cheeky even for him.
planking
sneering
debasing the country
refusing affordable actions to keep people in basic work
ditto to keep people basically housed
ditto to keep children healthy, happy and well brought up
ditto to keep our resources in good condition and available for our children
Absent from the House when important matters of ethical behaviour are being raised, absent from intelligent input when in the House, absent through visiting overseas cultivating people useful to him, looking after his investments, spending time in Hawaii.
Present (as in I’m standing behind you NZs watching) as people –
lose necessary income on their investments,
lose their life savings because of leaky home syndrome,
suffer depression and poverty and suicide,
because of inadequate jobs and pay, with limited opportunities for better,
because of inadequate or no housing with ditto
because of inadequate health provision with ditto
because of climate change disasters and other types, with irreplaceable loss of personal and public resources,
because of the lack of opportunities for people to work and to live a good life determined by themselves,
because of the determination of the elite to wipe out all ‘menial’ jobs that can be done more cheaply overseas causing huge unemployment, under-employment and third world or colonial living conditions.
because of the continuing of the wipe-out mentality of the elite in signing up secret treaties with our countries’ elites that will remove human living conditions for the masses as their jobs are off-shored, robotised etc.
because of the almost complete lack of planning and implementation of policies to meet the problems that the present climate change trend is already bringing
because of the almost complete lack of acceptance and responsible action to attempt to reduce the effects of climate change by cutting emissions and other problems.
So what next? A progression to totalatarianism, war? Some reading for the break (in short daily doses only) – links about times and actions around the great wars.
One way of firing slow economies and reducing population would be to participate in a (last) great war which would obviously include most of the unemployed (not needed and a waste of space) and half of the middle class (ditto, after computerisation and automation). Objectively, war is a good money earner for armament-maker countries and WW2 provided many lessons in practical tactics that have been honed in the smaller wars since.
If one compares the era 1918-1929 (which was the start of the Great Depression), the frenetic behaviour, the fun-filled, pleasure-oriented public mood, then to the present it sets John Key’s theatrical behaviour in context. I feel that we are poised on the cutting edge of disaster, with our economy inherently unhealthy and even in good times based on borrowing overseas. People’s feelings have become paramount for measuring business health – do businesses feel confident, are ready to employ or invest? Do people feel wealthy because their house values are rising? Feelings are all, not actual relevant statistics, and all the time, the figures for deprivation are growing.
It is not possible that this era can end with us off the cutting edge, and on firm ground and prepared for difficulties, reasonably self-sufficient, because of the mind-set and indolence of the in-power group. And when the puppet Key can’t be usefully manipulated more, who next until we come to the end, between a rock and a hard place. At present we are under a spell of apparent good times, everything must be okay! Right. I’ve put a spell on you!
The years between 1918 the end of WW1, and the start of WW2 in 1939 (only 21 years after the end of WW1 touted “The War to end all Wars) there were gay young things, short skirts, the Charleston, nightclubs, theatricals on stage, but behind pulling the ropes adjusting the mechanics of the real theatre, were the architects of the future. “Following his appointment as chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler began laying the foundations for Nazi control of the state….By the end of July 1933, almost 27,000 people—virtually all of them political prisoners — were incarcerated in these camps. …After 1939,…the concentration camp system expanded rapidly…Those used as forced laborers were deliberately undernourished and mistreated with the intent that they be “annihilated by work.””*
While this was happening some of the British aristocracy including the future King, were friendly with Hitler, and his drive to boost the German economy and nation impressed them. Collateral damage to people was not noticed by their limited peripheral vision.
Your paranoia is showing. I actually don’t think all this from Key is ideology or part of some master plan to anything. It’s all personal, ego-based, with short term objectives being popularity and wanting to be liked by those around him. These types of people just get caught up in it all, as probably happened to ego-driven Roger Douglas and Co. i.e. Seemed a good idea at the time, just perverse, evil outcomes sending the country down a wrong path. Fortunately this case is far less damaging, only making New Zealanders look like idiots on the world stage. Still, it does sow the seeds for a leadership change to someone else who has a political vision beyond self. (Is there one?)
Bottom line? He’s become bored with us, the humble, poor voters… Just give him a knighthood and let him retire to Hawaii. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Detrie
You are ignoring decades of politics. What is happening today is on a continuum and not some one-off brainfart on the part of the National Party and PM.
Yes ego driven i refer to his speech as a young nat with all the gaul of a privileged twat
“Yes one day I would like to be PM OF THIS COUNTRY”
I wish I hadnt been doing 60 hr weeks back then I might have taken the time to change how I saw the future. The plight of the working class in a nutshell
Wow!. The Key Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.
Get a life!
The more you bang on hysterically about John Key the more you turn off real New Zealanders. Who is writing your material? Preaching to the choir yet turning off the people.
I do not expect you to learn. I anticipate the Key Derangement Syndrome will only intensify when he wins in 2017 and 2020 and 2023.
Is this what you call reasoned discussion. Are you a 10 year old boy behind the bike shed getting your jollies from name calling. Par for the course from Leftists.
No. Actually the Leader and PM in 2026 will be Chris Bishop.
This is a laugh. The only way I see him being PM is via dictatorship. National are the best party at destroying their political capital. This is before you take into account collapsing globalism and trade, and debt defaults. Things that will send them into oblivion.
have reconsidered and on reflection would say although Key has lost interest (he certainly doesn’t appear to be making an effort and is increasingly reckless) it is still his intention to run at the next election and his recent foray into light entertainment is designed to attract a portion of the first time voting demographic with his “brand”…in this age celebrity name recognition and a feeling of personal knowing is all important….just look at the number of media personalities in both local and national governance, most with no relevant background to their duties
I can’t believe this would be spontaneous and without the knowledge of the PM and his minders. The whole thing was set up to create outrage and an opportunity.
Wonder if we’re going to see a strong, moral, maybe female leader emerge to take the mantle from a contrite incumbent who will sail off to something else….
Well, I think that (at the very least) it’s an acknowledgement that his core support comes from appealing to thugs and alienating opponents from the entire system.
certainly policy and performance have nothing to do with it, otherwise he’d be defending his government in substantive interviews.
But also I think he’s not even particularly trying for prime ministerial credibility these days – whether that’s a strategy of playing to his boorish strengths or just him doing the easy media stunts where he won’t be challenged (i.e. the minimum he can manage without a full-blown revolt in caucus), that’s a debatable point.
As you say, I doubt the cage stunt could have been an outright ambush by the presenters. Funnily enough I believe it mirrors where several of his past and present caucus members quite likely should (and might yet) reside.
Good to see by the comments here Whale Oil is alive and well on the left.
There is no difference between the two whatsoever.
Both are generally filled with trash and filth.
[lprent: Like all raving lunatic trolls, you fail to point to or link to any specific examples. Preferring instead to smear everyone rather than to provide evidence of your pig-ignorant stupidity and lack of evidence, probably because you are scared of withstanding the critical analysis and ridicule that giving details would result in.
Please read the policy, and note that if you want to make an assertion of fact as you did in your comment, then you are expected to specifically point to evidence, and to make that evidence related to specific instances. That you accurately described yourself “trash and filth” is not acceptable as a plea in mitigation.
Adding you to autospam – it is clear that you are not competent to accept the responsibilities of a commenter here. ]
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/292683/no-sign-of-migration-tide-turning-analyst
70,000 people came here to enjoy our great country and government and PM. Do you seriously think any of these people are Labour voters? Do you seriously think an Aucklander with a Chinese sounding name will vote Labour. Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?
“Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?”
Because they like bent corrupt interfering dictators, like they have back home in China.
Obama got it right when he sarcastically asked Turnbull if he actually talked to the NZers. Key is a figure of international derision, a clown, a galloping colonial clot, a national embarrassment.
I’ve jiss wotched ONE Netwerk News (Your Newzzzz).
Whilst I’ve no doubt there are elements within that take their ‘craft’ searissly (and who hope to win some sort of hideous plaque at the next {SPONSOR insert} award, whereby they can thank their mutha and brutha, and say things like “there’s no betta ward than to be jujjd by ya peers” and “Oi owe it all ta thos that cum before me” ……..
ONE networj News (of fuk it! the errors and effort in bothering to ‘bekspace’ in order to givim a proper name going forward is more than they’re worth) ……
ONE Netwerk Neeeeyoos left the oitum with the offering that it was all in the Christmas Sprit.
Christ Almighty!!!!!
Do they not realise that there are (ekshully) some people (utterly powerless but wing-waiting) that’ll prolly difoine their future goan fowid?
Christ Almighty (again). @ the number being crossed off the list of those capable of being committed to (and even understanding) those quaint old ideas of a 4th Estate, the VERY basic principles of democracy, the Public SPhere,, influence.
(thank your God there are quite a few around the place that remain capable)
rest assured, I don’t usually watch NZ MSM TV – it’s just that someone tipped me off to this abomination of a story that was about to be aired. Innocuous enough to begin with ….. but unsurprising the overall framing.
I can’t even remember whether or not it was Max Headroom who was centrepiece at the autocue or a ‘blonde assistant – slightly lesser specimen’ of the craft.
I guess if I was in Auckland I could shuffle off down to that waterfront establishment where the glitz and glam folk water their throats after a long long long hour of reading letters off a mirror and pretending to look ‘authoratative’.
[r0b: Tim – you have some extra junk in the name field of your comments which is why they are going in to moderation]
Am I mistaken? It’s just that according to Mr Key, the soap was a bit smelly when once picked up.
IF that was Mr Key’s response, I’m just wondering how and why the claims that he didn’t know or understand the inference to male rape, or how those nice people at white ribbon can have swallowed the spin and bullshit. (that’s quite apart from the desperation of trying to spin things so that Christmas time makes things very different).
Have I ‘mis-heard’ something or have I been ‘mis-sold’ a pup?
Perhaps because it was a urinal cake and was indeed a bit smelly?
I don’t think that you have misheard, I think you have heard exactly what YOU want to hear and extrapolated to make the PM look as bad as possible because you don’t personally like his politics.
Fan girl Claire Trevett minimises Key’s behaviour.
As Stewart says “You may even be a woman. A woman who likes men who enjoy this stuff. You have a condition known as Stockholm syndrome. Look it up.”
Consented behaviour is not violation Bop. Were I making a joke at all it would be about you Bop but you’re doing fine all on your own. All for the love of the child prime minister !
I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .
But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Absolutely wags. The prison rape jolly jape is just the last straw, appalling, offensive, crass and hurtful as it is. Key has been an ambassador for White Ribbon since 2010.
When I found this out my head exploded.
WTF are they doing with someone like Key representing their organisation?
I’m writing to Rob McCann about this today. I have his email address if any one else would like to write to him. I won’t put the email address up without the permission of the mods though. Not sure of the protocol there
“I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .”
Thank you for being the voice of reason in an otherwise overblown thread.
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Short answer, yes.
I see now why the CEO didn’t want to lose Key based on the funding they get from government. While the only Women’s Refuge in Christchurch has to close because of cuts in government funding the NZ branch of White Ribbon is cleaning up.
Yes, Draco T Bastard posted that very interesting and well written post last night. Well worth a read.
PS – I did write to Rob McCann btw. Just got an automated reply, saying they were away for their Christmas break. Kind of annoying because I spent quite a bit of time writing it.
Bob Harvey was on the news, sticking up for Key, giving ballast to the radio station. Go figure….
Key as a (supposed) statesman should have known better in the first place. Would Helen Clark have entered the cage? Dimwit Key just plays their daft games.
Not surprised. He’s well into his dotage now and wouldn’t know if he was coming or going.
I expect Helen’s husband keeps her up to date with what is happening in NZ. I understand she keeps in touch on a daily basis with both her husband and her father. She will never reveal her views of course but it must privately cause her some apoplexy.
if it was an incident in isolation then maybe …
However it is a common behaviour with Key.
He does not appear to have the nous to tell people that their behaviour is inappropriate.
Reflect on the occasion with Paul Henry over the Governor General Anand Satyanand being a Kiwi.
As in that case and this one in the cage, Key should have fronted up to the presenters and said their line is inappropriate. That should have gained him kudos.
But not Key. He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it (or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.
He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it (or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.
Former I should think. He’s playing to a particular audience and he doesn’t care about those of us who believe in “appropriate” standards because we stopped voting for him long ago – or we never started – so our responses mean nothing to him.
“He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.”
Both I think. But unlike as some think, at the end of the day I actually think he’s not very smart. He doesn’t think quickly on his feet and often just says whatever comes into his head and most of the time it’s not pretty.
He either doesn’t have the warning bells a person with strong intuition and intelligence has or if he does he ignores them because he mostly gets away with behaving badly. A shockingly subservient media aids him when his mask slips and he reveals his true nature but his followers cannot, or will not see it.
Sadly he exposes (and plays to) an ugly side to New Zealand society.
I also think that Key just craves the limelight, at the cost of good governance or being a solid statesman, and grabs every op that is offered. A bit of a lad, just having a blast, What country to run?
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The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
Minister of Transport Phil Twyford has today announced details of the Government’s support package to keep key air freight moving and ensure New Zealanders retain access to essential goods during the four-week level 4 lockdown. “The Government is working with airlines and air freight operators to ensure New Zealand’s key ...
New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 3 – Restrict New Zealand to move up to COVID-19 Alert Level 4 – Eliminate, in 48 hours Two-staged approach to give people and businesses time to prepare Level 3, from tomorrow Non-essential businesses must close All events and gatherings must be ...
Good afternoon The Cabinet met this morning to discuss our next actions in the fight against COVID-19. Like the rest of the world, we are facing the potential for devastating impacts from this virus. But, through decisive action, and through working together, do we have a small window to get ...
The Government is announcing significant further support for the economy, workers and businesses as the country unites to prepare for Alert Level 4 in the fight against COVID-19. Cabinet today agreed to remove the cap on the Government’s wage subsidy scheme, which will inject a further $4 billion into the ...
The Government is backing the Reserve Bank’s latest action to support the economy by reducing longer-term interest rates, meaning lower costs for businesses and mortgage holders, and a lower currency to help our exporters. The Minister of Finance has signed a memorandum of understanding and a letter of indemnity with ...
The Government has asked the Commerce Commission to take account of the exceptional circumstances created by COVID-19 when monitoring business behaviour in coming weeks. “The purpose of my request to the Commerce Commission is to make sure businesses can work together in ways that will allow them to provide ...
The New Zealand Government has temporarily closed its High Commission in Bridgetown, Barbados and its Embassy in Yangon, Myanmar due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Due to the increasing scarcity of air links in and out of Bridgetown and Yangon, and the pressure COVID-19 is placing ...
Associate Health and Whānau Ora Minister Peeni Henare has today announced the Government’s plan to support Māori communities and businesses in the face of COVID-19. “Our Government’s $12.1 billion economic package will help many Māori whānau, workers and businesses, whether it’s through wage subsidies, income support and worker redeployment, or ...
The Government and the hospitality industry have worked together to produce guidelines to assist with managing and reducing transmission of COVID-19, Health Minister David Clark announced today. The guidelines developed between the Government, Hospitality New Zealand and SkyCity Entertainment Group, set out how the new restrictions on physical distancing and ...
Four stage Alert System for COVID-19 announced New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2 – Reduce Contact New Zealanders over 70 and those with certain medical conditions told to stay at home as much as they can to reduce risk of contact with the virus Workplaces to implement ...
Paengawhāwhā (April) also known as Kaipō or Whetūkaupō (Deneb star) is the eleventh month of the Māori year and is a productive time. Get planting!Kia ora e te whānau, ngā mihi mahana o te marama a Paengawhāwhā.March and August are often our most challenging lunar cycles from my observation, and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Martina Doblin, Senior Research Fellow, Plant Functional Biology & Climate Change, University of Technology Sydney As the climate warms, the land we use for growing energy-intensive crops such as wheat and corn is becoming less productive. We need to find ways to ...
Helping Low Income Families cope in this time of crisis is critical to their survival says Peter Malcolm Spokesperson for Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc—“Closing the Gap” Families on low incomes need and deserve all the financial help they can ...
With neither a bang nor barely a whimper, barely one week ago New Zealand put being a long established and respected Parliamentary democracy on hold to become a virtual Police state in the ongoing fight against Covid-19, writes Peter Dunne We have settled into a life regime more restrictive ...
Almost a week into the level four lockdown and people are probably starting to feel a little cooped up. To help with this, some subscription services and brands have begun to make their products temporarily free. Here are just some of the things currently on offer.For those with the privilege ...
Life and health insurers are trimming their policy offerings in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, because some risks linked to the virus are deemed too great. Partners Life founder and risk expert Naomi Ballantyne said it was important consumers knew what they were covered for, particularly if they were ...
The housing market continued to perform well through the pre-lockdown period, with properties in all 16 major centres growing in value for the fourth consecutive month. The QV House Price Index data rose 6.1 percent in the year to March, with the average house price rising to $728,276. However, last ...
The District Court continues to operate during the AlertLevel 4 period to deal with priority proceedings as the need arises. For this purpose, there will be District Court Judges and Ministry of Justice staff available. The Chief District Court Judge ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Robert Breunig, Professor of Economics and Director, Tax and Transfer Policy Institute, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University How would you feel if you were having a Zoom meeting with your accountant and they asked “how would you like to ...
Kathmandu has moved to strengthen its finances to counter the impact of the Covid-19 virus. The outdoors clothing retailer will raise $207 million through a sale of new shares, some of which will go to large investment funds, with the balance offered to existing shareholders. Group chief executive Xavier Simonet ...
The country's banks are likely to take a significant hit to their profits from the Covid-19 virus, according to a new report. Business advisory firm KPMG's latest quarterly Financial Institutions Performance Survey for the final three months of last year showed bank profits had already fallen nearly 7 percent, $1.1 ...
Child Poverty Action Group applauds the Prime Minister's move to go hard and early to curb the spread of Covid-19. And we believe the Government needs to take the same approach when it comes to supporting those doing it tough during this ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By C Raina MacIntyre, Professor of Global Biosecurity, NHMRC Principal Research Fellow, Head, Biosecurity Program, Kirby Institute, UNSW Editor’s note: this is an edited version of a paper written in late March to outline the rationale for a short, sharp lockdown. The full ...
Anna Rawhiti-Connell's ode to Director-General Ashley Bloomfield - the balm for our furrowed brows When children ask me what I did during the great pandemic of the 2020s, I will tell them I participated in idolatry so egregious that the Golden Calf would’ve blushed a dusky shade of metallic rose. Every ...
The Single Object is a series exploring our material culture, examining the meaning and influence of objects that surround us in everyday life. Artist Bronwyn Holloway-Smith shares her obsession with the 30,000km long Southern Cross Cable that connects New Zealand to the internet and the rest of the world, and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephanie Collins, Associate Professor of Philosophy, Australian Catholic University To the young and healthy, our new “social distancing” rules may look unnecessarily draconian. If you’re in a demographic that’s low risk for coronavirus, it may be difficult to see the benefit of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dr Mette Hotker, Lecturer in Social Planning, RMIT University Most Australians know you never end up winning on the pokies. What Australians might not know is that the odds of winning a case against a poker-machine proposal in their local neighbourhood are ...
Sports journalist Jim Kayes was a weekend host for the canned Radio Sport channel - and reckons its demise and cuts to sports reporting nationally can in part be put down to snobbery and neglect. It was never my plan to cover sport but a busted knee saw it happen. ...
The number of Māori academic staff remains disproportionately low at New Zealand universities. Simon Day spoke to three newly appointed Māori professors at the University of Otago about why putting te ao Māori at the centre of their work is so important. Māori participation in tertiary education is steadily increasing. According ...
Wellington, 1 April - Rushing to deal with new vaping legislation during an unprecedented economic lockdown is not just folly, it is anti-democratic, according to a public submission by the New Zealand Initiative. While most businesses and public services ...
As the Covid-19 pandemic takes its toll on the New Zealand economy, Greenpeace is pushing back on industry lobbyists and politicians arguing for weakening and delaying environmental protections. The environment group says that now more than ever, we ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Craig Jeffrey, Director and CEO of the Australia India Institute; Professor of Development Geography, University of Melbourne Last week, Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced a 21-day lockdown for India’s 1.3 billion people. With just four hours’ notice, the government instructed everyone to ...
In the new series Final Mix, music journalist Yadana Saw chats with local musicians and listens to their latest tracks in the ultimate testing ground: the car. The first episode is with cross-Atlantic country maven Tami Neilson.“There’s before, and then there’s after.”It’s a prophetic lyric on Tami Neilson’s new album ...
With broader testing criteria coming into place, the Government is expecting to discover more Covid-19 cases within the community, Marc Daalder reports The Ministry of Health admitted on Wednesday afternoon that it was likely missing cases of Covid-19 spreading within the community because testing criteria were too narrow. "We still ...
The New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union is slamming today’s announcement of $25 million — $10 million for local iwi groups and $15 million for Whānau Ora providers — and says that funding based on skin colour at a time when the nation needs to come ...
How is Covid-19 spreading within the country? Newsroom is collating information as it's available to paint a picture of what's happening. There were 61 new cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand today, up from the previous day's 58 new cases. Details of how many tests have been completed are now being ...
A non-profit group is signing up qualified health professionals - retired, out of the workforce or part-time - to join a kind-of Home Guard to fill areas of need in the health system during the pandemic. As we enter week two of the Level 4 Covid-19 alert, we need to preserve ...
Join Leonie Hayden as she works through the first four weeks of Scotty Morrison’s Māori Made Easy.Rāapa/WednesdayToday we’re practising our pronunciation of the letter ‘r’ and in order to do that, we’re going to practise Māori place names. These are probably the words we’ve been taught to pronounce incorrectly the most, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Matthew Kearnes, Professor, Environment & Society, School of Humanities and Languages, UNSW Public health messages about COVID-19 have been inconsistent and changed rapidly. Many have called for a unified source of expertise to guide responses to the crisis. However, with the federal, ...
Tim Pankhurst, chief executive of Seafood NZ and former leading newspaper editor, retires this week after 48 years in the workforce. He looks back on a final week like no other. A week ago before the world changed we were fishing at dawn on the shore of the Rangaunu Harbour ...
MPs and economists are calling for greater transparency on the use of welfare and business subsidies, as the Finance Minister outlines the economic challenge ahead for New Zealand.The financial fallout from the coronavirus pandemic is set to be markedly worse for New Zealand than that from the global financial ...
OPINION:By Laurens Ikinia A sad story has taken place again in the PT Freeport Indonesia gold and copper mine area near Timika in West Papua on Monday with one New Zealander shot dead and seven other workers being severely wounded as reported by Asia Pacific Report yesterday. As ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the comments from Finance Minister Grant Robertson, and National Party MP Gerry Brownlee, calling on councils across New Zealand to look at their books and see what is possible to reduce the rates burden on New Zealanders. ...
What are you going to be watching in April? The Spinoff rounds up everything that’s coming to streaming services this month, including Netflix, Lightbox, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Apple TV+, Neon and TVNZ OnDemand.Click here to read our listings from March.The BiggiesRun (Season 1 on Neon weekly from April 13)I’m calling it: ...
As millions of Kiwis stay home, power companies say Covid-19 hasn't factored into their annual power price changes, the majority of which kick in on April 1. ...
In these testing times, we’re all spending a fair amount of time on our phones and computers. Here are some simple ways to make that time safer for yourself.As if we weren’t all indoors on our phones enough already, Covid-19 is ensuring that our screen time is going to be ...
As the new season of Kirstie and Phil’s Love It or List It drops, Tara Ward investigates how the gurus can help us with our own interpersonal property dilemmas.We’re approaching the second week of national lockdown, and it’s about now that many of us will begin to have the “love ...
The outside is telling us, ‘I could do that again whenever I wanted. You think about that.’ Read more Lockdown letters here.‘When I’m being a badger I live in a hole and eat earthworms,” the nature writer Charles Foster wrote. “When I’m being an otter I try to catch fish ...
The government is doubling the amount it plans to borrow for the current financial year to pay for its various Covid-19 rescue and support packages. ...
Across the United States the concert halls and theatres are silent. Broadway has shut down. The mighty 3800-seat Metropolitan Opera House is in lock-down. Actors, opera stars and choruses, musicians are on furlough if they are lucky. But the best shows in town remain: the midday news conference by News ...
The Sensible Sentencing Trust (SST) are in absolute shock at the early release of multi-millionaire child sex offender Martin Lawes, after only a mere 18 months into his 4 year and 6 month jail term. SST National spokesperson Jess McVicar said the ...
Our Covid-19 gifs are now available in te reo Māori. Spread the word (while staying at home).The suite of excellent illustrations and gifs created by microbiologist Siouxsie Wiles and illustrator Toby Morris have had an undeniable impact during the Covid-19 crisis. They offer clear communication of sometimes complex concepts, and ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on the Wellington City and Wellington Regional Councils to freeze the funding of their economic and tourism promotion agency after its ill-judged “We Wellington” campaign - wasting tens of thousands in ratepayer ...
Lotta Dann reflects on staying sober in the midst of a global crisis, and shares some advice for those who are looking to cut back. If you’ve seen the endless news reports and social media posts about alcohol, you’d be forgiven for thinking all New Zealanders are drinking away their days ...
Editor’s Note: Here below is a list of the main issues currently under discussion in New Zealand and links to media coverage.New Zealand Parliament Buildings, Wellington, New Zealand.Today’s contentPublic health strategy Derek Cheng (Herald): Lockdown ‘not enough’, top professor tells Govt video conference Derek Cheng (Herald): Just when you ...
Spending through Paymark dropped more than 70 per cent on the first day of lockdown, and remained at record low levels through the week to Sunday, March 29. ...
Trump sees 100k US deaths as "very good job" as better than initial forecast of 2.2m; US deaths overtake 9/11; Eight percent of over 50s need hospitalisation. Peter Bale wraps the Covid-19 news overnight.The "deathalyser" keeps climbing: The evil mathematical simplicity of the exponential nature of the novel coronavirus plays out ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amanda Gearing, Journalist, author, broadcaster, Queensland University of Technology I’m trying to work out what to do before I end up in a body bag but that seems unavoidable right now. This was one of the first replies this month ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Marissa Parrott, Reproductive Biologist, Wildlife Conservation & Science, Zoos Victoria, and Honorary Research Associate, BioSciences, University of Melbourne Tree kangaroos are so unusual that when Europeans first encountered them in Australia in 1872, they were sceptical. Who would believe a kangaroo could ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Luke Zaphir, Researcher for the University of Queensland Critical Thinking Project, The University of Queensland With the COVID-19 pandemic causing a great deal of anxiety, we might come to think people are irrational, selfish or downright crazy. We see people showing up ...
Since late 2019, the world has been fighting the coronavirus disease (COVID-19). In response to the pandemic, governments around the world have been using data and technology in their efforts to contain the spread of the virus. Access Now puts forward ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Warwick Smith, Research economist, University of Melbourne Understandably, given we are in a crisis, the government has baulked at including superannuation contributions in the A$140 billion worth of $1,500 per fortnight wage top-ups it will be directing to six million Australians. As ...
Business confidence and retail sales collapse as lockdown begins; Infrastructure NZ sees 30 percent of jobs lost in 6 months; Kathmandu shares haltedSurvival mode:ANZ’s latest business confidence survey made for grim reading. The bank said there was very little that was positive in the survey as businesses switch ...
Good morning and welcome to The Bulletin. In today’s edition: Government approach to testing faces serious scrutiny, second Queenstown nurse tests positive, and PM rejects curfew call.The government’s approach to fighting the Covid-19 outbreak has faced a robust bout of scrutiny, both from MPs and experts. It only took one sitting ...
Government could enter the construction market in a way not seen in several generations, Dileepa Fonseka reports Ministers are rushing to prevent the country's construction sector hollowing out under lockdown. However, they've also admitted the state's role in construction will massively expand in a way unheard of in several generations. That could include turning Crown Infrastructure ...
Jacinda Ardern says New Zealand is willing to help thousands of people from overseas get back to their own countries, but doing it under lockdown may take a bit longer. ...
Auckland GP Himali McInnes makes a plea for anyone needing medical care to call their doctor.Last week, I wrote of the Covid-induced frenzy in our general practise waiting roomin Three Kings, Auckland. Anxiety flurried in and out, bringing on its coat-tails the marginally unwell. Patients avoided eye contact ...
For all The Spinoff’s latest coverage of Covid-19 see here. Read Siouxsie Wiles’s work here. New Zealand is currently in alert level four. The country is shut down, apart from essential services. For updated official government advice, see here.The Spinoff’s coverage of the Covid-19 outbreak is funded by The Spinoff Members. To support this work, join The ...
The University of Auckland's Nicholas Rowe draws some parallels between the restrictions in West Bank and Gaza Strip during the second intifada and the current lockdown in New Zealand Covid-19 and New Zealand’s national lockdown means online teaching has become the new ‘normal’ at the University of Auckland. The process ...
As the ripple effects of Covid-19 continue to put livelihoods on the line and a recession seems inevitable, the fate of organisations that largely survive on donations and volunteers is precarious. Current severe restrictions on movement mean the tasks normally done by volunteers face-to-face just won’t be possible, and while ...
The Cook Islands has quarantined itself from the world, and collapsed its vital tourism industry in the process. With no Covid-19 cases so far, it’s now a nervous wait to see if the lockdown will work, reports Emmanuel Samoglou. It’s quiet in Rarotonga. Much quieter than usual for this tiny ...
To prevent hospital overload from the Covid-19 crisis and beyond, alcohol sales hours should be cut and prices raised, argue Louise Delany and George Thomson of the University of Otago. This is a time to immediately reduce the stresses for the health system. We must plan for scenarios where thousands ...
Only a small minority of tourists to Milford Sound and its stunning surrounds are from New Zealand, but that will have to change if the region is to recover when the lockdown ends, reports Jim Kayes.Nonu’s had plenty of walks.The retriever-collie cross is just back from ...
We’re only just beginning to understand the vast political ramifications of the coronavirus, both here and around the world, writes Colin James.What comes after Covid-19? Not business as usual. The global virus is a disjunctive shock and such a shock sets up a chain reaction that changes the order of ...
Striking scenes from the first week of alert level four restrictions in our biggest city. As New Zealand adjusted to alert level four Covid-19 restrictions, the usually bustling streets of Tāmaki Makaurau were all but deserted. We captured this surreal, strangely beautiful footage during the first week of ...
The tool is targeted at people who want to expose those who are exploiting the options for reporting misbehaviour amid Covid-19 alert level four. It is said to be the ‘new normal’.A new online tool for reporting people who take advantage of mechanisms designed to keep the peace in lockdown ...
A quick reminder why we need to hold firm, and resist any temptation to bend the rules.For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to ...
The Real Pod assembles one more time to dissect the final week of The Bachelorette NZ, with special thanks to Nando’s.We’ve reached the end of our love journey in more ways than one, as this season of The Bachelorette NZ coincides with end of The Real Pod in its current ...
We can be justifiably proud of our Government’s approach to the Covid 19 virus crisis. It has acted quickly recognising the WHO recommendations. The country “lock-down’ will do much to stop the spread of the virus and the Government support for people ...
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Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...1 hour ago
It's my distraction, setting up tiny scenes to photograph. I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now. Something about their bubble shape. Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity. Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...5 hours ago
. . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...6 hours ago
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For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...8 hours ago
The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...10 hours ago
The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...20 hours ago
On March 17, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was quick out of the blocks with an economic rescue package to help businesses through the inevitable recession resulting from the coronavirus pandemic. Robertson had pulled together a scheme in short order that so far seems to have saved many jobs. In his ...1 day ago
Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...2 days ago
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The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...3 days ago
by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...3 days ago
The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...4 days ago
Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...4 days ago
Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...5 days ago
Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...5 days ago
Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...1 week ago
According to Newshub, Simon Bridges is open to joining a “grand coalition” with Labour as we hunker down to go into a month long lockdown. The idea is sound. Before now, the role of the opposition was to scrutinise and oppose. In the context of what almost amounts to a ...1 week ago
Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or ...1 week ago
A few days ago I was starting to write something about the pandemic, which now seems unconscionable. It took the form of a letter to an agony aunt:“Dear Deidre, I have an ugly confession. I am quite excited by Covid-19.”This is how the piece went:“I’m not a psychopath, honest. Although the ...1 week ago
I am a pundit, somebody who opines and comments on the news. There are no real qualifications to punditry though having a rudimentary way with words and good general knowledge helps. That is one reason there is a constant oversupply of would-be pundits and why it is quite hard to ...1 week ago
COVID-19 has plunged Aotearoa New Zealand (indeed, the world) into territory that, while maybe not totally unprecedented, certainly hasn’t been seen during the lifetimes of most of us here today. Our borders are closed to non-citizens, we’re being told not to gather in groups of more than 500 outside/100 inside, ...1 week ago
New Zealand can emulate the success of the US after the Great Depression by exploiting our own resources to turn the economy around quickly, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters says. Mr. Peters told Magic Talk that New Zealand has an opportunity to come out of the COVID-19 pandemic a "superior, ...1 day ago
The COVID-19 situation in New Zealand is moving fast - and to avoid what we've seen overseas - the Government's response must be to move fast too. We're committed to keeping New Zealanders safe and well-informed every step of the way. ...4 days ago
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The scale of what we face right now is unlike anything we have ever seen before. Overcoming it is our common purpose. ...1 week ago
Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...37 mins ago
Paengawhāwhā (April) also known as Kaipō or Whetūkaupō (Deneb star) is the eleventh month of the Māori year and is a productive time. Get planting!Kia ora e te whānau, ngā mihi mahana o te marama a Paengawhāwhā.March and August are often our most challenging lunar cycles from my observation, and ...13 mins ago
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ryan Ko, Chair Professor and Director of Cyber Security, The University of Queensland Recently Facebook, Reddit, Google, LinkedIn, Microsoft, Twitter and YouTube committed to removing coronavirus-related misinformation from their platforms. COVID-19 is being described as the first major pandemic of the social ...15 mins ago
Helping Low Income Families cope in this time of crisis is critical to their survival says Peter Malcolm Spokesperson for Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc—“Closing the Gap” Families on low incomes need and deserve all the financial help they can ...23 mins ago
With neither a bang nor barely a whimper, barely one week ago New Zealand put being a long established and respected Parliamentary democracy on hold to become a virtual Police state in the ongoing fight against Covid-19, writes Peter Dunne We have settled into a life regime more restrictive ...41 mins ago
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No excuses, no reading the runes. He knew. This is him.
end.of.story.
Look, I do not like Key, as any one who has read my blog will know, but these attacks on John Key for perceived transgressions of tyrannical politically correct dictates will backfire on you badly.
Donald Trump is riding a wave of popularity in the US because he has tapped into public dislike of political correctness.
The NZ Labour party are still flogging it like the proverbial dead horse.
People do not like political correctness. Many of them, like myself, don’t like JK much, but are appalled at the delusional and nonsensical attacks the left continually mount against the PM. All underpinned by political correctness.
As I say here, people want to see ideas and policies. They’re sick to death of this PC balderdash.
Its a strategy that will most likely see JK win a fourth term.
Donald Trump has supported (amongst other outrageous policies) having a national database of people based solely on their religion.
If you think opposing that is “political correctness”, you’re a prime example of democracy ensuring that populations get the government they deserve…
Islam is more than a religion, its a political ideology with beliefs that are at odds with the Constitution of the United States Republic. Namely its ambition to eventually achieve a theocratic tyranny.
Jaysus. It didn’t take much for you to lured away from the topic, did it?
You advocate for a bogan and intolerant populace – we get it already!
these are the people john key wants as supporters.
cite pls
Leaving aside your ‘Politically correct’ obsession which is rather irrelevant to your actual argument. Other people would argue that the public expousing of the neo-liberal nonsense by its proponents when they departed the rigours of academic rigour and that that you religiously parrot is similarly deluded.
Lets look at actions? What was your attitude in comments to the very similar “delusional and nonsensical attacks that the..” right continually mounted against the PM (Hulun Klark from 2002-2007 and beyond).
I could probably dig them out without a problem if you’d like. I’d just have to establish the linkage between who you are now, and who you were then. But suffice it to say that to me you just read like a hypocrite with an appallingly selective memory about your own behaviour.
I don’t think its about me.
Everywhere I go I read the left lamenting the fact that they cannot put a dent in Key’s popularity or grow their own support.
I’m telling you why I think that is. I think you’re out of touch with public opinion.
I also think there is something badly adrift in Labour Party management and supporting this is the fact that they can’t appear to come up with any kind of winning strategy.
All the resources and energy poured into trying to hurt JK and no result.
What happens in any organisation if you continue to push ideas that do not work?
I’ll tell you. You get fired moved or replaced.
Something has to happen in Labour party HQ. Little is not a complete idiot. There’s actually a bit about him that I like, in that he’s more traditional Labour than the PC Progressive tree-hugging faction that seems to dominate.
Surely he can see that its not working. He needs some ideas, some remedies and some fix it strategies.
Edit- you know I agree with a lot of the criticism of JK. Just do not think endlessly bashing him with the PC stick is going to work.
If Key wants to act like an arsehole, you appear to not think that people should not point that out – so a political party can win? You have a damn strange idea about how the left (or the right for that matter) actually operate.
This isn’t being driven by politics particularly. It is driven by what type of society people think that we should have.
The political parties seldom lead in pushing this view. It is the other way around for the main parties because they all have to pull from the apolitical ‘centre’. As you say, they don’t like slagging off the PM until it becomes the perceived ‘norm’ – as it appears to be heading towards for John Key at present (which is probably why his handlers are pushing the ‘poor me’ defence at present).
In my experience the political parties get pulled by the supporters and activists rather than trying to push such ‘tactics’. The exception being the interesting and quite deliberate job that National did after they unwittingly tapped into that vein of bigotry after the Owera speech by Brash. But even there it was more by co-oping the activists in the absence of any effective left social media than doing it themselves.
In this case with Key it is being driven by many peoples growing disgust that this unthinking fuckwit is at the head of our government. Some of us saw him for what he was when he entered parliament, others picked up on it later. But the political parties of the left have little to do with it.
Now I recognize that you don’t see Key in quite that way, as a unfeeling personality devoid of empathy and forethought. It may be because you share a lot of traits with him, so you are blind to those aspects of his personality. I view him as one who uses and dumps people and groups of people without looking to see the damage he causes. He is almost the epitome of a poor employer chasing shareholder dividends in the next quarter rather than planning for the growth required to sustain the future. A parasite feeding on the wealth of others rather than a someone who creates wealth.
About the only thing we seem to agree on is that he is a short-term thinker who is powered by polling rather than his brains or vision.
BTW: I note that you didn’t look at your own actions against Helen Clark – in retrospect and given your argument here, I suspect that you have a bit of hypocritical guilt?
Crickets
You must have seen me write on my opinion of John Key before?
Possibly not. I got a bit tired of expressing my personal opinion of him here about 2010. He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
I tend to be rather blunt when I express opinions.
He is a type well known in the business world. Basically a waste of space if you are trying to get anything done. He is classic swan, swans in, hangs around, does nothing of much value, and gets out when it starts disintegrating because they haven’t done anything useful. Everyone has to work around them posturing.
We used to call them ‘management surfers’ … they ride the crest of the wave into a role, then as soon as it breaks they’re off to the next one. It makes for a spectacular looking career, and many people get taken in … but in hindsight you see how little they actually achieve.
And later again, how much damage they’ve caused.
Because relatively few of us work for large global corporates, most New Zealanders don’t really encounter these types. Only once you’ve been suckered and used by them a few times do you get good at spotting them.
You are spot on with your critique of that man Lynn. Blunt away
Hello Lynn I’ve noticed when I hit the reply button, the curser drops into the name field instead of the comment box, any ideas. Thanks
First on the fix list when I stop for the ‘holiday’
Cheers, top of the season to you an your family Lynn.
🙂
‘Baiter…..Hitler had public opinion.
“these attacks on John Key for perceived transgressions of tyrannical politically correct dictates will backfire on you badly.”
I’m struggling to see where I attacked the PM. I said “this is him”. end.of.story.
Is this not him? Please do tell – is someone was stepping in for the Prime Minister there?
I think Key is an idiot and he sure acted like one when he appeared on the subject radio show. Painful to watch. Just bringing the office of PM down.
But it was nothing more than idiocy.
To try and turn it into an attack on women, or indicating support of rape culture , etc etc is the error.
“To try and turn it into an attack on women, or indicating support of rape culture , etc etc is the error.”
I’m struggling to see where I did that in this comment too.
I pointed out that what is on that video is who we have for PM. Is this not correct? But as far as rape goes, is this not what the people on that video were alluding to?
Agree red, the left has said its piece, JK has stolen some more oxygen, so let’s move on. It’s like we have a hyperactive attention craving toddler running the country.
The NatCorp strategy is to make every. single. goddamn. news. item. about. FJK, and we keep falling into it.
“In January, the first public poll of the year showed National with 49.8 per cent support, Labour on 29.1, the Greens on 9.3, and New Zealand First on 6.9. ”
After about a dozen “scandals” over the year attacking John Key, mostly with PC based criticisms, what do we have in the final poll?
“in December, the last public poll of 2015 was released. …. National had 51.3 per cent support, Labour 31.1, the Greens 8.2, and New Zealand First were on 5.7.”
That is a major fail.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/75310091/Polls-show-Government-not-as-out-of-touch-as-claimed
So our PM is nothing more than idiocy. Oh God…..all the nation’s prayers answered. An idiot !
dude, it ain’t a strategy. it’s a watercooler and we’re bitching round it. if you don’t like the topic, go off to whaleoil or some other watercoolerof your choosing.
it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness, and everything to do with common decency and propriety.
The best way to protect our democracy and values is to attack those who undermine them
“We should not tolerate conditions in prison that have no place in any civilized country,” Obama said in a speech at the NAACP National Convention in Philadelphia on Tuesday. “We should not be tolerating overcrowding in prison. We should not be tolerating gang activity in prison.
“We should not be tolerating rape in prison, and we shouldn’t be making jokes about it in our popular culture,” Obama added. “That is no joke. These things are unacceptable
Still, its just PC ballderdash
Oh Tracey……you crazy you…..you mean to say you don’t support Serco ???
I have a vivid mind’s eye of Michelle Obama turning to Barack and saying “B…..WTF ?”
It’s not like he’s new to this shit……recall the laughy laughy about the child rapist/murderer Phillip Smith ? Recall the comment “I only apologise when…….” re Tania Billingsley ? Recall the ponytail shit ?
The man’s a child with behavioural problems and a fucking disgrace ! Thank you not Michelle Boag and the Business Roundtable. For importing this buffoon.
Which is why white ribbon having him as an ambassador is a joke.
A total embarrassment.
PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
Labour sorry for everything including their own gender = 28% support.
Merry Xmas, although must be difficult when so bitter and twisted.
I am appalled that you find rape funny.
Is there nothing that this narcissist psychopath does that you won’t defend.
Or are polls ratings you only defence?
Because Hitler was popular.
Yet, it was okay and much lauded a song about raping John Key’s daughter. Where was the voice from the left decrying that?
Interestingly enough, the movie Deliverance is stored in the United States Film Registry as a significant movie for its time. And it is a hard watching movie.
There is also a you-tube clip showing a marathon that is run in the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme.
Do you tell lots of lies much?
No. I leave it to you lot and the Herald.
…you lot…
There is precisely one of me, and I’m always happy to correct myself when I’ve made a false statement.
As my link proves, you are the one who has something in common with The Herald.
Doesnt read any material which may contradict the Govt memes
and thinks Deliverance was a comedy…
Have you watched the movie McFlock? As I said, it is a hard watching movie.
Indeed.
But it is also irrelevant. What was your point in bringing up it or the marathon – that john key is not alone in his shitty behaviour? How many of the “locals” are white ribbon ambassadors (or its Tennessee equivalent), do you think?
I think he was making a comparison by saying that those who think key and the prank are funny come from
” … the backwaters of Tennessee where locals play up the Deliverance characters, and make the same calls to the runners, whilst playing the dueling banjo’s theme. “
Key is PM.
Yes the left deried that song, including on this site.
Not bitter and twisted Tory, just wondering how rape became flavour of the day.
I wonder if he will have a good old chuckle if [deleted]?
[lprent: Too far. In my view it verges on advocating violence. ]
Hami S
Inappropriate. Not a thought to be published on TS.
Sorry lprent. Fair call. It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does. I suppose the better class (rich) women on Planet Key never experience any of the dreadful things women in the real world do. They’re probably too busy getting their servants to launder and press all the golf attire for their menfolk while at their estates in Hawaii.
A friend of mine knows a man who had very much the same attitude on this subject as Key does – until his sister was attacked. Things really hit home to him then, and he is a changed man. That is why I made that comment.
“It just gets me so angry when Key treats women who have suffered assault and violence with the contempt and sneering he often does”
Firstly, a joke about ‘picking up the soap’ would refer to male on male rape, so nothing to do with women that have suffered assault. Secondly, he didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. Thirdly, he never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
I think you are projecting and hearing what you want to hear, and while I did not read your initial post prior to it being censored, language that “verges on advocating violence” is far worse than what the PM does in this video. It sounds like you are advocating violence against women using the same long bow you have drawn, so maybe you should have a good hard look at yourself first.
5. He didnt immediately condemn the pank when he “realised” what he had been “duped” into.
If you intended to mount the
” I may be the PM but I am just not very bright” defence,
You succeeded. And it is not a good defence for a PM.
That particular radio host made a nasty video clip of a Dancing With The Stars contestant which she was appalled by and let it be known she was disgusted. I suppose by your standards that is ok – just a bit of fun and lighten up and have a laugh. Wonder how you would feel if it was a female relative of yours being belittled.
That particular radio host Is who the prime minister chooses to wallow with.
I was not referring to his male rape episode. I was referring to his earlier behaviour towards the female MPs in Parliament who had been sexually assaulted, and to his dismissive attitude to the young woman assaulted by the Malaysian Diplomat. My post which was withdrawn was perhaps a bit inflammatory, however it was in response to John Key’s recent attitude towards the rape of women . Not to mention his extremely casual attitude to the Roastbusters miscreants, or the repulsive and creepy behaviour towards the young owner of the pony-tail. He wouldn’t have pulled my ponytail without retribution! So so creepy that whole thing! Parents out there would be very angry if that pony-tail girl was their daughter I am sure. You did not read what I said in that post so why on earth are you commenting on it? . And I happen to be a woman myself FYI.
as long as its not his daughter its a joke to our pm what an arshole
Perhaps that is why Paris upset him so much cos his daughter is at the Sorbonne
I feel exactly the same, Linda. Everything is a joke to Key, as long as he and his family are protected from any kind of harm. However it is comforting to know that Miss Karma is alive and well. I like to think of Karma as a rather large heffalump with a very short wick!
National didn’t get anywhere near 50% support. But if you want to go off the vote on the day, the left and the right were fairly evenly split depending on where you think NZF fit in.
Happy Christmas weka. Thanks for keeping TS on track and for presenting the Greens points of difference so regularly.
Thanks grey! Best wishes to you for the new year 🙂
@Tory.
The PM you support makes a cheap, smutty joke about prison rape and you justify it with bogus polling data.
You really ARE being a rape apologist here.
@RedLogix
“The PM you support makes a cheap, smutty joke about prison rape”
Citation please? Watch the video again with your blinkers removed, he doesn’t even laugh at the joke let alone make reference to prison rape.
You are also projecting (seems to be a theme in this thread), Tory certainly makes no reference to prison rape in his/her comment, but certainly makes a point around public perception of the ‘holier than thou, we will read 2 levels too deep into a situation and damn you for it’ left.
Watch the wingnut twist and squirm and pretend that participation is not involvement. Bob takes one for the team 😆
Watch the wingnut twist and squirm and pretend that John Key personally set the whole thing up and deliberately referred to prison rape.
Good try at deflection OAB, how about you akshully watch the video for a change and not just run your mouth off playing the man because you know you have lost the argument as normal.
As I have stated above:
He didn’t even laugh (or sneer) at the joke he simply picked up the soap. He never played along to with the joke other than to say the soap felt ‘wet and greasy’, there was no inference of any link to rape other than the listeners own preconceptions. Finally, he was on a radio station and the listeners of that radio station will likely enjoy the comedy of the hosts (hence the reason they are listening), so sitting in a cage and picking up the soap as requested by the hosts is a way of enamoring himself to the listening public, something the left could learn a thing or two from.
Paging Dr. Bellman.
Merry Christmas OAB, good to see year after year, some things never change.
I’ve got a 2016 NY resolution for you, try to actually participate in a discussion, tough I know, but I honestly believe you have it in you.
When you come up with a new argument, I’ll rebut it: if all you can do is repeat yourself I’m going to make reference to argumentum ad nauseam whether you like it or not.
Key’s participation in the ‘gag’ was essential for its intended audience to find it funny. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
Correct, his participation was essential, as he had agreed to visit a commercial radio station as a guest, and guests on commercial radio stations are almost always invited to participate in some form of gag, that does not mean he condones or made jokes about prison rape. Go on, pretend otherwise so I can laugh at you some more.
So where is Key’s demand for an apology for setting him up as the fall guy in such a distasteful and ill-judged stunt?
Or a statement from him that there will be no more appearances on the Rock because of what happened?
His silence loudly signals that he was a willing participant and he actively condones what happened.
The is only one person pretending here Bob.
Baby steps, Bob.
You denied he had “made” the joke, and then you confess he participated in it. Would you care to revisit either of those mutually exclusive statements?
So remind me RedLogix, at which point in the video above does John Key make a joke about or condone prison rape?
Just to the nearest 5 second block will be fine…oh that’s right, he did nothing of the sort, “His silence loudly signals that he was a willing participant and he actively condones what happened”, bullshit, he was a willing participant in a radio gag but at no point did anyone mention prison, rape, or anything else untoward. You have simply taken the simple act of picking up a piece of soap and extrapolated to your hearts content. The only ones pretending are those that seriously believe the PM did anything other than make a fool of himself in public.
Bob is really plumbing the depths of stupidity now. “Pick up the soap” has no subtext, just like “paging Dr. Dunning-Kruger”.
So tell me Bob … if the ‘cake of soap’ and ‘pretty little mouth’ and the cage had no meaning whatsoever as you are claiming, then exactly what the hell was our PM doing?
Can you link to his condemnation of the prank and how long after he “realised”?
“he simply picked up the soap.”
And sniggered and smiles as doing so.
He knew perfectly well the implications.
He was seated at the time, does prison rape normally happen while people are seated picking up soap?
I don’t know enough about prison rape and have never joked about it in the past, but I was under the impression from Hollywood movies it normally happens while people are showering, not while sitting down in a cage.
Did it occur to you he was sniggering because he was picking up what looked more like a urinal cake?
cf:
Which is it – he wasn’t laughing or he was laughing at “urinal cake”? And even if either is the case, should a White Ribbon ambassador really be oblivious to “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”?
He sniggered when picking up what looks like a urinal cake, and he didn’t laugh when someone said “you’ve got a pretty little mouth, Prime Minister”, two different things.
Perhaps you could point out where he laughed at a rape joke?
thestandard.org.nz/ladies-and-gentlemen-this-is-your-prime-minister/#comment-1111258
Again, just any 5 second time period during the clip above will be fine.
Every time he laughed or sniggered picking up what he was told was soap while sharing a cage with someone else.
But you’re being obtuse: I never said when he laughed. I merely pointed out that you have said he didn’t laugh, and then that he did laugh – apparently at urinal cake (very prime ministerial).
I then pointed out that as a white ribbon ambassador, even one oblivious to prison rape allegations under his government, he shouldn’t have let the “pretty little mouth” line go unchallenged. Or was that too obscure for him, too?
You seem to be arguing that our prime minister (let alone a white ribbon ambassador) is completely oblivious to innuendo about sexual assault, or at least lets it pass without comment. Is this really your best angle on his behaviour?
A urinal cake? You say he recognised that but missed the rest of the implcations?
@ Tory (3) – FJK is a perverted creep. He has a history in his responses towards sexual assault –
Ridiculing David Cunliffe for apologizing for being a man, concerned through the high incidence of rape and sexual assault in NZ.
There is Tania Billingsley, a victim of an intended sexual violation, who FJK refused to apologize to for allowing the offender to leave the country.
Now this. The PM, who incidentally is supposed to be a statesman, being “one of the lads.” treating rape as a joke!
That’s three regarding sexual violation.
Then there was the assault of a waitress, through his constant fondling of her hair (ponytail)!
Are we still counting …? Is there more to come?
Anyone who condones the actions of FJK mocking rape is as equally disturbed as he is!
Rape is nothing to laugh at!
Unfortunately there is not a lot there in the top six inches.
Cunning is not the same as clever aye?
Whois ? A PM who can have a laugh and relate to New Zealanders = 50% support.
those who support someone who supports everything that is required by everyone else but those who live in this country
u screw, up Key is a disgrace
Strange you know……went to a dinner ‘poarty’ in a leafy Auckland suburb on the weekend. Buffoon of a man who hitherto has been the strongest supporter of this gauche idiot, on purportedly technical terms, reduced to this……”Oh come on……he’s just trying to be a good bloke !”. Putting aside that all us adults got over that insecure shit decades ago…….Kia Ora !
Another internationally embarrassing headline from our PM.
It is almost as embarrassing as hearing New Zealand mentioned in a TYT video as one of the countries that had a high percentage of people who think it would be alright to target and kill civilians during a bombing campaign.
TYT?
In 2002 Cenk Uygur launched an online program called “The Young Turks,” which he billed as the first video news show on the Internet. In December 2011 Uygur took the program, with his name added to the title to differentiate it from the online show, to television on Current TV. The nightly show features guests who offer their opinions on topics from the worlds of politics and pop culture. Although Uygur was born in Turkey, the show’s title is not related to his nationality. It refers to a phrase used to describe someone who is an insurgent or radical in a political party who advocates for changes in the group.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks
“Which Cultures Are Most Comfortable Killing Civilians?” on The Young Turks YouTube channel?
Where’s John Oliver? Or has Key gone too far for him this time?
I think Mr Oliver’s mouth is still agape – he needs more time to actually make himself believe that this man really is Prime Minister of ANYWHERE!!
John and his editorial team stopped doing stories on NZ when they realised, these instances weren’t amusing one offs… but how we actually are
Actually this sort of behaviour and just doing/saying what you want with almost no limits reminds me of Trump. Both individuals and their ‘outgoing’ behaviour will always appeal to a distinct, easily manipulated sector of the population. These naive people just don’t realise they’re dating a sociopath. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Kyle MacDonald: John Key shouldn’t be White Ribbon ambassador
‘Contrary to what some have suggested in the last few days, I do have a sense of humour. I just don’t think sexual violence is funny.
The sexual assault rate in New Zealand is far higher than the world average. New Zealand rates as third-highest alongside Australia, and about one in five women and one in six men will experience sexual violence in their lifetime.
We also have one of the highest rates (the highest in some reports) rate of domestic violence, with one in three women experiencing intimate partner violence in their lifetime.
And call me old fashioned, but I believe that our Prime Minister should be a leader, a statesman even………
…………..So if, like me, you expect more of White Ribbon, and more of our Prime Minister then add your support to my petition with Action Station to dump John Key as an ambassador.
Until then, and sadly, I’m taking a different pledge. I can’t wear a white ribbon again until White Ribbon Campaign start acting in line with their stated mission and values.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11564231
Kevin MacDonald or Kyle MacDonald?
Kyle. He’s a psychotherapist.
And the petition Kyle MacDonald instigated, to request White Ribbon stand down as an ambassador:
Should read ” White Ribbon stand Key down as an ambassador”
And here is a direct link to the petition.
http://www.actionstation.org.nz/noribbon
Or, send a message to White Ribbon…this is what I sent a wee while ago….Oh! The irony of their “Key Messages” page.
“VIOLENCE IS NOT JUST PHYSICAL
Psychological/emotional violence is a very common form of violence experienced by women and children. Many women say it is the worst kind of abuse.Psychological/emotional abuse is about manipulation and coercion, and affects your emotions and personality, rather than your body. Victims of emotional abuse can feel like they are going mad, are very frightened, and feel like they have no choices and are often made to feel like it’s their fault.This form of abuse is often underestimated. It’s not recognised by many people because it can be subtle and hidden. Survivors say psychological abuse attacks their spirit and self-esteem and its effects can last the longest.
From your very own “Key Messages” page.
You men really need to think about the impact of your continued support for an abusive man. The fact that that abusive man is the Prime Minister of New Zealand makes this much, much worse.
Drop Key as an ambassador NOW, please.”
We are paying the salary of this low life dickhead piece of filth. Kiwis should get some guts and get rid of him.
@ cogito – but how do we get rid of the despot FJK? Doing it legally through the ballot box doesn’t work, because he’s still here, riding the wave of power, through deceit, corruption and lies!
Other than organized passive resistance or civil disobedience protest, I honestly can’t see any means of disposing of FJK. Even then he’d use his personal police force and military to quell the dissenters, violently!
Of course there is revolution. However, I honestly can’t see enough Kiwis coming together as a powerful collective force to revolt! Such action would require a strong, charismatic, dedicated leader, who was able to win the faith and trust of his/her “troops” (for want of a better word). No one comes to mind in that regard.
So what else is available to us?
The 1.0 million missing voters?
You got my vote hell yeah
Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Prime Minister –
mooning? That might be too cheeky even for him.
planking
sneering
debasing the country
refusing affordable actions to keep people in basic work
ditto to keep people basically housed
ditto to keep children healthy, happy and well brought up
ditto to keep our resources in good condition and available for our children
Absent from the House when important matters of ethical behaviour are being raised, absent from intelligent input when in the House, absent through visiting overseas cultivating people useful to him, looking after his investments, spending time in Hawaii.
Present (as in I’m standing behind you NZs watching) as people –
lose necessary income on their investments,
lose their life savings because of leaky home syndrome,
suffer depression and poverty and suicide,
because of inadequate jobs and pay, with limited opportunities for better,
because of inadequate or no housing with ditto
because of inadequate health provision with ditto
because of climate change disasters and other types, with irreplaceable loss of personal and public resources,
because of the lack of opportunities for people to work and to live a good life determined by themselves,
because of the determination of the elite to wipe out all ‘menial’ jobs that can be done more cheaply overseas causing huge unemployment, under-employment and third world or colonial living conditions.
because of the continuing of the wipe-out mentality of the elite in signing up secret treaties with our countries’ elites that will remove human living conditions for the masses as their jobs are off-shored, robotised etc.
because of the almost complete lack of planning and implementation of policies to meet the problems that the present climate change trend is already bringing
because of the almost complete lack of acceptance and responsible action to attempt to reduce the effects of climate change by cutting emissions and other problems.
So what next? A progression to totalatarianism, war? Some reading for the break (in short daily doses only) – links about times and actions around the great wars.
One way of firing slow economies and reducing population would be to participate in a (last) great war which would obviously include most of the unemployed (not needed and a waste of space) and half of the middle class (ditto, after computerisation and automation). Objectively, war is a good money earner for armament-maker countries and WW2 provided many lessons in practical tactics that have been honed in the smaller wars since.
If one compares the era 1918-1929 (which was the start of the Great Depression), the frenetic behaviour, the fun-filled, pleasure-oriented public mood, then to the present it sets John Key’s theatrical behaviour in context. I feel that we are poised on the cutting edge of disaster, with our economy inherently unhealthy and even in good times based on borrowing overseas. People’s feelings have become paramount for measuring business health – do businesses feel confident, are ready to employ or invest? Do people feel wealthy because their house values are rising? Feelings are all, not actual relevant statistics, and all the time, the figures for deprivation are growing.
It is not possible that this era can end with us off the cutting edge, and on firm ground and prepared for difficulties, reasonably self-sufficient, because of the mind-set and indolence of the in-power group. And when the puppet Key can’t be usefully manipulated more, who next until we come to the end, between a rock and a hard place. At present we are under a spell of apparent good times, everything must be okay! Right. I’ve put a spell on you!
The years between 1918 the end of WW1, and the start of WW2 in 1939 (only 21 years after the end of WW1 touted “The War to end all Wars) there were gay young things, short skirts, the Charleston, nightclubs, theatricals on stage, but behind pulling the ropes adjusting the mechanics of the real theatre, were the architects of the future. “Following his appointment as chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler began laying the foundations for Nazi control of the state….By the end of July 1933, almost 27,000 people—virtually all of them political prisoners — were incarcerated in these camps. …After 1939,…the concentration camp system expanded rapidly…Those used as forced laborers were deliberately undernourished and mistreated with the intent that they be “annihilated by work.””*
While this was happening some of the British aristocracy including the future King, were friendly with Hitler, and his drive to boost the German economy and nation impressed them. Collateral damage to people was not noticed by their limited peripheral vision.
This is informed appraisal of the Wars One and Two and their times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_World_War_I#Social_trauma
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/dec/09/-sp-myth-of-the-good-war
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/11/first-world-war-changing-british-society
* http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007656
Your paranoia is showing. I actually don’t think all this from Key is ideology or part of some master plan to anything. It’s all personal, ego-based, with short term objectives being popularity and wanting to be liked by those around him. These types of people just get caught up in it all, as probably happened to ego-driven Roger Douglas and Co. i.e. Seemed a good idea at the time, just perverse, evil outcomes sending the country down a wrong path. Fortunately this case is far less damaging, only making New Zealanders look like idiots on the world stage. Still, it does sow the seeds for a leadership change to someone else who has a political vision beyond self. (Is there one?)
Bottom line? He’s become bored with us, the humble, poor voters… Just give him a knighthood and let him retire to Hawaii. http://bit.ly/johnkeysociopath
Detrie
You are ignoring decades of politics. What is happening today is on a continuum and not some one-off brainfart on the part of the National Party and PM.
Yes Detrie……your facile resort to “…..paranoia is showing” is not impressive.
You are a dull troll.
Winston tried to make New Zealanders aware however he was written off as a nutter?
Yes ego driven i refer to his speech as a young nat with all the gaul of a privileged twat
“Yes one day I would like to be PM OF THIS COUNTRY”
I wish I hadnt been doing 60 hr weeks back then I might have taken the time to change how I saw the future. The plight of the working class in a nutshell
Nostalgia. Those were the days when you could get 60 hours work a week./sarc
Ripped off, video contained no footage of The People’s Champion whatsoever
Wow!. The Key Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.
Get a life!
The more you bang on hysterically about John Key the more you turn off real New Zealanders. Who is writing your material? Preaching to the choir yet turning off the people.
I do not expect you to learn. I anticipate the Key Derangement Syndrome will only intensify when he wins in 2017 and 2020 and 2023.
So you support making jokes about rape, I guess?
As long as it’s your God Key who does it.
lol, 2023.
I strongly suspect he’s lost interest in the job and will hand it over sometime in 2016.
you may be right…we can hope
You can ‘feel’ it, can’t you?
You can feel it, in the air.
In your soul.
Change – big change…..coming.
Feel the Love – Good feelings won’t come from John Key – try the Rudimentals in session.
But looking at the contenders to replace PM. He/she might be worse. Imagine Joyce or Collins as our Leader. Hell’s Bells!
No. Actually the Leader and PM in 2026 will be Chris Bishop.
That’s nice. Does he enjoy rape jokes too?
Have you stopped beating your partner?
I never started. Never even pulled their ponytail without consent (but then some people find ponytails particularly tantalising).
Is John Crosby related to Bill Crosby?
what?
TV One is an unbiased State Broadcaster?
again – what are you on about?
Do you find rape funny?
Have you stopped beating your dick Fused Anus ? Certainly I can see no evidence that you have. As inglorious as ever our dear Fused Anus !
Is this what you call reasoned discussion. Are you a 10 year old boy behind the bike shed getting your jollies from name calling. Par for the course from Leftists.
You could be describing the PM
This is a laugh. The only way I see him being PM is via dictatorship. National are the best party at destroying their political capital. This is before you take into account collapsing globalism and trade, and debt defaults. Things that will send them into oblivion.
It’s just going through the motions, it is all we have to do.
This is going to be huge – don’t leave ‘anything’ out – hit them where it hurts.
The bigger, the better.
have reconsidered and on reflection would say although Key has lost interest (he certainly doesn’t appear to be making an effort and is increasingly reckless) it is still his intention to run at the next election and his recent foray into light entertainment is designed to attract a portion of the first time voting demographic with his “brand”…in this age celebrity name recognition and a feeling of personal knowing is all important….just look at the number of media personalities in both local and national governance, most with no relevant background to their duties
Is this part of the exit strategy???
I can’t believe this would be spontaneous and without the knowledge of the PM and his minders. The whole thing was set up to create outrage and an opportunity.
Wonder if we’re going to see a strong, moral, maybe female leader emerge to take the mantle from a contrite incumbent who will sail off to something else….
That’s clever Graeme. Could well be the scenario.
Well, I think that (at the very least) it’s an acknowledgement that his core support comes from appealing to thugs and alienating opponents from the entire system.
certainly policy and performance have nothing to do with it, otherwise he’d be defending his government in substantive interviews.
But also I think he’s not even particularly trying for prime ministerial credibility these days – whether that’s a strategy of playing to his boorish strengths or just him doing the easy media stunts where he won’t be challenged (i.e. the minimum he can manage without a full-blown revolt in caucus), that’s a debatable point.
As you say, I doubt the cage stunt could have been an outright ambush by the presenters. Funnily enough I believe it mirrors where several of his past and present caucus members quite likely should (and might yet) reside.
A moral leader? Do tell.
Well, moral to 51% of the Nat. caucus
I doubt the word gets used in many caucuses
How about a revolution in the street french style
You giving odds on that treble?
Good to see by the comments here Whale Oil is alive and well on the left.
There is no difference between the two whatsoever.
Both are generally filled with trash and filth.
[lprent: Like all raving lunatic trolls, you fail to point to or link to any specific examples. Preferring instead to smear everyone rather than to provide evidence of your pig-ignorant stupidity and lack of evidence, probably because you are scared of withstanding the critical analysis and ridicule that giving details would result in.
Please read the policy, and note that if you want to make an assertion of fact as you did in your comment, then you are expected to specifically point to evidence, and to make that evidence related to specific instances. That you accurately described yourself “trash and filth” is not acceptable as a plea in mitigation.
Adding you to autospam – it is clear that you are not competent to accept the responsibilities of a commenter here. ]
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/292683/no-sign-of-migration-tide-turning-analyst
70,000 people came here to enjoy our great country and government and PM. Do you seriously think any of these people are Labour voters? Do you seriously think an Aucklander with a Chinese sounding name will vote Labour. Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?
Do you seriously think 70,000 of them would support a PM who finds rape funny?
“Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?”
Because they like bent corrupt interfering dictators, like they have back home in China.
Obama got it right when he sarcastically asked Turnbull if he actually talked to the NZers. Key is a figure of international derision, a clown, a galloping colonial clot, a national embarrassment.
“Why are they joining the National Party in Auckland in droves?”
like the sharemarket, you draw in the mugs so you can salvage something and leave them holding the bag
I forgot about the ‘joke’ to the Chilean president, about not inviting the kiwi child abuser to lunch. Maybe BLiP has another list around.
look panda, and we all fall for it
I’ve jiss wotched ONE Netwerk News (Your Newzzzz).
Whilst I’ve no doubt there are elements within that take their ‘craft’ searissly (and who hope to win some sort of hideous plaque at the next {SPONSOR insert} award, whereby they can thank their mutha and brutha, and say things like “there’s no betta ward than to be jujjd by ya peers” and “Oi owe it all ta thos that cum before me” ……..
ONE networj News (of fuk it! the errors and effort in bothering to ‘bekspace’ in order to givim a proper name going forward is more than they’re worth) ……
ONE Netwerk Neeeeyoos left the oitum with the offering that it was all in the Christmas Sprit.
Christ Almighty!!!!!
Do they not realise that there are (ekshully) some people (utterly powerless but wing-waiting) that’ll prolly difoine their future goan fowid?
Christ Almighty (again). @ the number being crossed off the list of those capable of being committed to (and even understanding) those quaint old ideas of a 4th Estate, the VERY basic principles of democracy, the Public SPhere,, influence.
(thank your God there are quite a few around the place that remain capable)
Jesus H Fkin Kroist
don’t watch tv. seriously, just don’t.
rest assured, I don’t usually watch NZ MSM TV – it’s just that someone tipped me off to this abomination of a story that was about to be aired. Innocuous enough to begin with ….. but unsurprising the overall framing.
I can’t even remember whether or not it was Max Headroom who was centrepiece at the autocue or a ‘blonde assistant – slightly lesser specimen’ of the craft.
I guess if I was in Auckland I could shuffle off down to that waterfront establishment where the glitz and glam folk water their throats after a long long long hour of reading letters off a mirror and pretending to look ‘authoratative’.
[r0b: Tim – you have some extra junk in the name field of your comments which is why they are going in to moderation]
Interesting poll here on Stuff where 56% of the 12,687 respondents believe Key should have his White Ribbon ambassadorship revoked.
Shame that the many articulate and well reasoned comments scathing of Key’s behaviour have disappeared though.
Am I mistaken? It’s just that according to Mr Key, the soap was a bit smelly when once picked up.
IF that was Mr Key’s response, I’m just wondering how and why the claims that he didn’t know or understand the inference to male rape, or how those nice people at white ribbon can have swallowed the spin and bullshit. (that’s quite apart from the desperation of trying to spin things so that Christmas time makes things very different).
Have I ‘mis-heard’ something or have I been ‘mis-sold’ a pup?
Perhaps because it was a urinal cake and was indeed a bit smelly?
I don’t think that you have misheard, I think you have heard exactly what YOU want to hear and extrapolated to make the PM look as bad as possible because you don’t personally like his politics.
Fan girl Claire Trevett minimises Key’s behaviour.
As Stewart says “You may even be a woman. A woman who likes men who enjoy this stuff. You have a condition known as Stockholm syndrome. Look it up.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11564464
The Right Dishonourable John Key
Yeah Good Old Trev’ of Te Herald….tryin’ hard to suck Key’s arse while allowing that it’s all a bit embarrassing in a PM. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11564464
Good Luck ‘Trev……there’s a few trips/junkets in this gig yet.
Otherwise ‘Trev writes pathetic shit that my (English second language) moko’ could trump.
“tryin’ hard to suck Key’s arse ”
Are you making a joke out of sexual violation?
Consented behaviour is not violation Bop. Were I making a joke at all it would be about you Bop but you’re doing fine all on your own. All for the love of the child prime minister !
I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .
But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Absolutely wags. The prison rape jolly jape is just the last straw, appalling, offensive, crass and hurtful as it is. Key has been an ambassador for White Ribbon since 2010.
When I found this out my head exploded.
WTF are they doing with someone like Key representing their organisation?
I’m writing to Rob McCann about this today. I have his email address if any one else would like to write to him. I won’t put the email address up without the permission of the mods though. Not sure of the protocol there
“I’m a bit bleach about this particularly bit of rubbish keys been up to ,its a bit of a long bow to draw saying he’s condoning rape .”
Thank you for being the voice of reason in an otherwise overblown thread.
“But when it comes to the removal of his ambassadors role with white ribbon , should not his repeated pulling of a waitresses pony tail have counted him out of the role.?”
Short answer, yes.
Rob I’ve noticed when you hit reply, the curse drops into the name field instead of the comments box, any ideas. ta 🙂
edit : help anyone….
I get that too, and just have to watch out for it so you don’t start typing away in the name box.
This is an interesting blog about Key and the White Ribbon Trust.
http://cheekygames.ghost.io/time-for-key-to-strip/
I see now why the CEO didn’t want to lose Key based on the funding they get from government. While the only Women’s Refuge in Christchurch has to close because of cuts in government funding the NZ branch of White Ribbon is cleaning up.
Yes, Draco T Bastard posted that very interesting and well written post last night. Well worth a read.
PS – I did write to Rob McCann btw. Just got an automated reply, saying they were away for their Christmas break. Kind of annoying because I spent quite a bit of time writing it.
Can’t let this go away like everything else.
Bob Harvey was on the news, sticking up for Key, giving ballast to the radio station. Go figure….
Key as a (supposed) statesman should have known better in the first place. Would Helen Clark have entered the cage? Dimwit Key just plays their daft games.
Bob Harvey was on the news, sticking up for Key,…
Not surprised. He’s well into his dotage now and wouldn’t know if he was coming or going.
I expect Helen’s husband keeps her up to date with what is happening in NZ. I understand she keeps in touch on a daily basis with both her husband and her father. She will never reveal her views of course but it must privately cause her some apoplexy.
What relevance is what Helen thinks
http://willnewzealandberight.com/2015/12/22/no-room-for-joking-around-rape/
Written as the son of a retired nurse who used to collect evidence for the police when they were prosecuting.
if it was an incident in isolation then maybe …
However it is a common behaviour with Key.
He does not appear to have the nous to tell people that their behaviour is inappropriate.
Reflect on the occasion with Paul Henry over the Governor General Anand Satyanand being a Kiwi.
As in that case and this one in the cage, Key should have fronted up to the presenters and said their line is inappropriate. That should have gained him kudos.
But not Key. He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it (or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.
Former I should think. He’s playing to a particular audience and he doesn’t care about those of us who believe in “appropriate” standards because we stopped voting for him long ago – or we never started – so our responses mean nothing to him.
“He either plays along with it and is comfortable with it or is not quick witted enough to realise what is appropriate for his position.”
Both I think. But unlike as some think, at the end of the day I actually think he’s not very smart. He doesn’t think quickly on his feet and often just says whatever comes into his head and most of the time it’s not pretty.
He either doesn’t have the warning bells a person with strong intuition and intelligence has or if he does he ignores them because he mostly gets away with behaving badly. A shockingly subservient media aids him when his mask slips and he reveals his true nature but his followers cannot, or will not see it.
Sadly he exposes (and plays to) an ugly side to New Zealand society.
I see the video has been removed, I wonder who ordered it removed? Political interference?
or youtube copyright
It’s ok*, The Daily Mail has a copy.
*no, wait, nothing involving The Daily Mail is ever “ok”.
I also think that Key just craves the limelight, at the cost of good governance or being a solid statesman, and grabs every op that is offered. A bit of a lad, just having a blast, What country to run?