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Breathless children

Written By: - Date published: 12:39 pm, July 29th, 2015 - 46 comments
Categories: same old national, uncategorized - Tags: , ,

Tim Grosser:

“We need adults to do this, not breathless children to run off at the mouth when the deal is not actually finished.”

Sean Plunket gets a teeny bit tetchy at that.

46 comments on “Breathless children”

  1. Puckish Rogue 1

    Damn straight! Thats telling the lefties, mind you its now beholden on Tim Groser to deliver..

  2. northshoredoc 2

    “Are Tim Groser’s comments on #TPPA the most arrogant thing you’ve ever heard from a minister? ”

    Nope, not even close. If it’s one thing that politicians do well it’s arrogance.

  3. Tautoko Mangō Mata 3

    It is to be hoped that Tim Groser’s arrogance doesn’t obscure his vision because I fear that he doesn’t realise that he is being played. Wasn’t it a breathless child that pointed out that the emperor had no clothes?

  4. dukeofurl 4

    Apparently US congress members ARE ALLOWED to VIEW the negotiating texts of the agreements long before they VOTE

    “Second, USTR has provided “access to the full negotiating texts for any Member of Congress, including for Members to view at their convenience in the Capitol, accompanied by staff members with appropriate security clearance.” This access began in 2012, and several House members and senators—both supportive of TPA (like Mike Lee) and opposed (like Sens. Jeff Sessions and Elizabeth Warren, as well as Rep. Rosa DeLauro)—have reviewed the draft negotiating texts.”
    http://www.cato.org/blog/top-nine-myths-about-trade-promotion-authority-trans-pacific-partnership

    WHo is treating our elected MPs like children?

    • freedom 4.1

      The Cato Institute was established and is funded by the Koch Foundation, so feel free to grab a pinch of salt as you consider their opinions

    • Blue Horseshoe 4.2

      They are not allowed to take photos or copies away and could be arrested for leaking text.

      • dukeofurl 4.2.1

        Thats the best part, you can start framing the issues and talking in general terms with mentioning actual words.

        “Scary TPPA” has such a better ring to it than 4th protocol to the conference of parties or such.

        Just imagine leaning forward while being interviewed by Mike Hosking and saying:

        “Mike, Ive read the text and its bad news for NZ farmers” …wink.

    • Marvellous Bearded Git 4.3

      @Duke
      But my understanding is that the corporations and their flash lawyers can also see the TPPA text? Is that right? and if so which corporations? And surely someone out there can/should leak the latest TPPA text?

      (I seem to remember that there have been earlier partial leaks).

      • Sacha 4.3.1

        Big US corporations and their industry organisations have been helping to write the damn thing all along. Hence the concern at our elected representatives being allowed to even see it.

  5. AmaKiwi 5

    OK, Tim. The cabinet will sign this deal before we know what’s in it, so we “breathless children” shouldn’t comment until AFTER you have made it law.

    Tim, I’ve got this great investment for you. Just sign here and then I’ll show you the text.

  6. Anno1701 6

    Imagine if you will…..

    a swift punch in the guts….

    whos breathless now m****r F****r ?

    I feel better allready 🙂

  7. McFlock 7

    Poor choice of words, given NZ’s high rate of asthma in children and the corresponding need for pharmac-purchased medications…

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      Maybe purchasing less paracetamol would help.

      • McFlock 7.1.1

        🙄
        Maybe. There are lots of “maybe”s in the world.

        But thanks for the the half-arsed medical advice.

      • greywarshark 7.1.2

        Maybe dispensing less excessive amounts of medicine would help the pollution problem disposing of unused supplies causes. The government’s half-arsed system of wanting to hand out multiple months of medications at a time must have had some effect on the problem talked about onRadionz. There is no responsible, concerted organisation to dispose of them nationwide.

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201764284
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/279943/medicine-disposal-%27a-national-disaster%27

        • McFlock 7.1.2.1

          Yeah, we definitely need better organisation for disposal of expired medicines.

          Although the dispensing issue I can go either way on, having been caught once or twice without me contingency pain meds when gout reared it’s ugly head at 11pm. That was an interesting math problem – the agony of going to A&E vs that of waiting 9 hours before one could politely request a relative to pop by with the magic pills (waiting won because socks).

  8. Ad 8

    As a negotiator he will need everyone including his PM to butt out for the next 72 hours. He’s rude, including with other countries, and we need that.

    Betcha Fraser was no kitten in 1945-47 when setting up great rafts of internationally binding legislation.

    • BM 8.1

      You’re one of the few people on this board I take seriously.

    • Mike S 8.2

      “…we need that….”

      Ummm, no. Being rude has zero to do with being a good negotiator, in fact being rude is very much a hindrance to being a good negotiator.

  9. Your typical malignant narcissistic personality disorder. Grandiose fantasies and substance abuse!

  10. Truth be told, the PM is very much a child of course! And from the mouths of Children and drunks…..

  11. Save NZ 11

    TPPA – bad deal.

  12. Macro 12

    Grosser imagines himself to be a great deal maker.
    Delusional , incompetent, and completely out of touch with reality, are more accurate descriptions.

    • dukeofurl 12.1

      “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that.”

      Richard Feynman could have written this especially about Grosser

    • greywarshark 12.2

      Are but he is becoming grosser every day, filled with hyperbole, which is a gas lighter than air, and when there is a critical mass of it he will float over Parliament, and fly to the moon children. He has conquered the art of talking confidently and keeping his eye on the ball. Perhaps there is a future for him as a sports coach.

    • Chooky 12.3

      +100 Macro …add “a patronising git”… to that list of descriptors of Grosser

  13. Westiechick 13

    I have never been involved in international trade negotiations and do not understand why everything has to be secret – what would be compromised by the world knowing what was on the agenda? – it will all be out in the open (presumably) when it is complete. I am hoping that Groser and his team are achieving something that will benefit NZ and not being hoodwinked, bullied or just making dumb mistakes – very hard to tell from the outside.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1

      It’s the negotiation model. There isn’t enough trust between nations to have open – “integrative” – negotiations.

  14. greywarshark 14

    Sob, sigh, sob. sigh. Hic..hic..hiccup. Want kind wise mummy and daddy to make the bad mans go away.

  15. greywarshark 15

    What, Sean Plunket finding Tim Groser arrogant? And if Groser called PM for foolishness then he believes that honestly. He is showing how determined he is to carry NZs case in this difficult wrangle. I am sure he is dedicated to doing his best for NZ and knows that Yek is just a prancing pony in comparison.

    And Read This – Unfortunately Groser is on the wrong track but I believe he is being true to his kaupapa, if he knows what that means, and has been programmed to work hard for NZ future in TPPA.

    I’m being objective here because I think TPPA is wrong for us, Groser is wrong, and all those other ponces with their fingers in the pie should have them pecked by bloody great blackbirds, their noses and any other appendage the birds can get in their beaks.

  16. Foreign waka 16

    Mr Groser would do well to remember that it will be the children left breathless after their freedom has been taken away by an old man who wants to go out with a bang with the bucks to be paid by the ones having to work ever longer never seeing a pension like his.

    • Paul 16.1

      Groser is beneath contempt.
      In the 1940s the term for people like Groser was ‘quisling’.
      Treason is a capital offence.

      • aidan 16.1.1

        ha yeah, we seem to be awash with quislings in parliament

      • Mike S 16.1.2

        Not any more it isn’t. From memory, the traitor Roger Douglas and his cohorts removed capital punishment for treason (which was the only crime left at the time punishable by death) just before they started bringing in the economic ‘reforms’ known as rogernomics.

        They obviously knew they were about to commit treason.

  17. Hami Shearlie 17

    Groser – the arrogance is breathtaking isn’t it? Obviously the history of heavy alcohol and wacky-baccy consumption is finally taking it’s toll on his powers of reasoning – or maybe he is just relaxing more these days and showing us the “real him”!

  18. Sable 18

    The National party are a bunch of over indulged, spoiled children. Maybe the first honest thing I have heard from that mob.

  19. freedom 19

    Can someone offer some clarity on the following question/s

    If the terms of the agreement are to be secret for a number of years after signing, how can our PM & co claim Parliament will get the chance to debate the agreement as soon as it is signed?

    Does the secrecy only apply to the draft papers and not the final negotiated texts that make up whatever they finally sign off on?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1503/S00326/secret-tppa-investment-chapter-released.htm

    “The TPP Investment Chapter, published today, is dated 20 January 2015. The document is classified and supposed to be kept secret for four years after the entry into force of the TPP agreement or, if no agreement is reached, for four years from the close of the negotiations.”
    (bold mine)

    • Phil 19.1

      As I understand it, the draft papers are kept secret. The agreement itself will be published on completion.

      There are understandable (i.e. not conspiratorial) reasons for this. The negotiations will include a lot of discussion around specific trade deals and details that, if released, would give unfair advantage and provide confidential information to one company/government/entity in favour of another.

      • freedom 19.1.1

        Of course there are valid reasons for a trading nation’s representatives to negotiate trade deals in secret but do you find it satisfactory that private corporations have not only had access to the negotiation texts but actually helped to write the terms of the texts being negotiated, yet the public are locked out of all consideration for submissions?

  20. Stuart Munro 20

    If the agreement is secret after it has passed, how can it be enforced? Court of Star Chamber?

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