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Campbell live and politicisation of media

Written By: - Date published: 8:47 am, April 10th, 2015 - 112 comments
Categories: Abuse of power, journalism, Media, national, tv - Tags: , , ,

The attack on Campbell Live appears to be political:

The future of Campbell Live has been in doubt since the arrival of Julie Christie and Mark Weldon at MediaWorks in the middle of last year, as it came out of receivership. … Some Campbell Live staff believe that is because the show’s liberal focus – and Campbell’s heroic status among some on the left – clashes with its bosses’ political outlook.

That may be overstated, but many TV3 staff – and not just journalists – have felt a marked change in the channel’s culture under the new management.

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/586262297854746624

According to Bill Ralston:

“The most senior management of TV3 have been gunning for John Campbell for a long while. He has been under enormous pressure and it has been lawyers, I understand, at forty paces as they fight this one through.”

MediaWorks has links to Steven Joyce and the National Party. Adding to the appearance of a political attack:

https://twitter.com/dirtydeedsnz/status/586101713804763136

Last night on Facebook there was a comment claiming Key’s involvement, but as of this morning the discussion no longer exists.

The other excuse for the attack on Campbell live is falling ratings. Since TV is nothing but a ratings game now, falling ratings are a problem, but there has been no attempt to fix the problem, no attempt to save what is clearly (from the public response so far) a very popular and significant show. John Campbell is NZ’s most preferred current affairs presenter:

The news comes as MediaWorks’ own research commissioned from an external company showed Campbell is the nation’s most preferred current affairs broadcaster, receiving approval ratings twice that of Mike Hosking and Paul Henry.

It is Campbell’s show that is under attack, not those of the idiotic, but slavishly right-wing Hosking and Henry.

Update: See also this guest post at TDB.

112 comments on “Campbell live and politicisation of media ”

  1. Sirenia 1

    Interesting that the low ratings that are referred to by the critics were during the cricket. Was there an agenda to find a time when the ratings were low and use that as a benchmark? Then the anti-Campbell echo chamber repeats those numbers over and over to establish them as fact for the whole year.

  2. Gosman 2

    Amazing that this political attack managed to involve slashing the ratings from 400 thousand to 150 thousand. Maybe us darstedly right wingers have infiltrated the ratings companies and actually the real audience is closer to 4 million which is what set this blatent political attack off /sar.

  3. mickysavage 3

    Why do we have a system where the reporting of news and issues is dependant on commercial interests?

    • Gosman 3.1

      It is not dependent on commercial interests. You are quite able to get news reports via non commercial sources in New Zealand. What I believe you are really trying to argue is why doesn’t the majority of the News come via such sources. The reason for this is that it costs money and someone has to pay for it. If you want non commercial news then get together with like minded people and fund it.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1

        It is not dependent on commercial interests.

        Wow, you come out with some BS to defend your ideological beliefs when they’re shown to be incapable of providing what society needs.

        The whole point of ratings is to determine how much to charge the advertisers so as to maximise profit.

  4. esoteric pineapples 4

    I think Media Works still owes the government the $43 million it borrowed. That buys a lot of leverage

    • shorts 4.1

      pretty sure its been reported that all or at least the vast majority of the loan has been paid back

      I was under the impression Weldon was at media works to prep it for a sell off… dumping some costs prior to doing as such makes sense – the fact it also hurts a thorn in ya mates (key) side then even better

      I feel really sad the show may cease – so many issues that only they seem to care about in the msm … also not overly surprised given how many of the target audience are the very people leaving broadcast media of all types for other more user friendly options

  5. Nicola West 5

    Another propaganda slammed by donkey and his current affair solicitors. Funny how politics always comes into the life of wrecking it for others…..

  6. Foreign waka 6

    Media control of contents is and always was an issue that needed defending if indeed seen in a democratic context. It does seem however, that the screening of propaganda right into the living room of so many is something that has to be censored in NZ- and Mr Campbell is just the poster boy for it.
    NZlanders are not well educated in political maneuverings (the mass that is) and as such will not see this for what it is: the reign in of diverse opinions so as to channel all but one only. Like they do in Korea, China, Russia etc. So not only is NZ now a country with trade ties to undemocratic neighbors, it has to immolate its political being too. Maybe we all have been sold out already?

  7. fisiani 7

    When Campbell Live viewership has plummeted from 450,000 to a mere 150,000 you have to ask what went wrong. Did Campbell’s ego finally kill the show? Did his thinking that he was the star and that interviews should consist of him talking over the guest and not allowing answers contribute to the failure of the show? Perhaps.
    Blaming the viewership drop on John Key is another pathetic smear attempt on blaming Honest John.

  8. aerobubble 8

    TV3 picking up Henry arguably was about balance. I mean, Campbell being middle NZ and Henry being the lying two faced establishment that has no moral or ethical anchorso needs a tv one.

    Seriouly though, TV is crap, getting crapper, the execs want you turning off. What with the volume problems at the ad breaks, more ad breaks, wobbly camera effects added post production, lame scheduling, whole evenings dead of appealing content.

    Campbell live gets people watching, it has to go, the news is so ad rigged and boring, lacking any analysis, and lets be clear Campbell does not do analysis either just cleansing with a bright light.

    It must suck to be a tv executive, having to ignore how crappy they have to operate to the lowest standard, the US. We are supposed to be in an age of TV, and they cant get any of the content up because its too liberal.

  9. Penny Bright 9

    All those signing petitions to save Campbell Live – in my view – need to make sure they actually WATCH Campbell Live?

    Also – perhaps the Board of TV3 could be asked to ‘review’ the appointment of their CEO Mark Weldon?

    Just saying ….

    Penny Bright

    • Gosman 9.1

      Who should be asking the Board to review the CEO appointment?

      If you were interested in really influincing this then you should all buy shares in the company. Then you can direct influence on these decisions.

      • felix 9.1.1

        “If you were interested in really influincing this then you should all buy shares in the company. Then you can direct influence on these decisions.”

        Weren’t you one of those who insisted, when the govt sold our energy infrastructure, that anything less than 51% ownership has no bearing on decisions?

        • Gosman 9.1.1.1

          I never stated minority sharholders have no influence. They quite obviously have less than the contolling shareholder. However having minority Shareholders expressing opinions anf influincing decisions was one of the pluses of the partial sell down programme.

          • felix 9.1.1.1.1

            So you disagree with the many, many commentators who said that the govt has the same level of control at 100% and at 51%?

          • Tracey 9.1.1.1.2

            or one of the negatives. minority shareholders have rights that many would be surprised to learn of, including you it seems.

    • Puckish Rogue 9.2

      All those signing petitions to save Campbell Live – in my view – need to make sure they actually WATCH Campbell Live?

      – wow, something you and I agree on…who’da thunk it?

      • Pascals bookie 9.2.1

        1) Only makes a difference if they have a Nielson box

        2) Who says the people signing petitions etc don’t watch? That looks like a pretty dubious claim to me. The show gets around 150k viewers say, on average. That would mean a larger pool of ‘sometimes watchers’ etc. If those people are engaged with the show, and give a shit about it then it seems fair enough to think they’ll react to this announcement. The fact CL can raise money for causes pretty quickly also indicates their viewers give a shit, they are engaged with and by the show.

        ergo 3) The comments that people who are upset don’t actually watch it are at best, lacking evidence and more likely just poorly thought out bullshit.

        • Karen 9.2.1.1

          +1 Pascal’s bookie

        • mpledger 9.2.1.2

          That’s why people should watch over the internet rather than on tv – every download is counted.

          • mickysavage 9.2.1.2.1

            Well said. I just had a look at tv3’s website. There was a big ugly as banner featuring Paul Henry. My inclination was to shut the tab down as soon as possible. Then I found John Campbell’s tab well down the page …

            Here tis

            http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive.aspx

          • Pascals bookie 9.2.1.2.2

            Problem with that is that internet views don’t drive anything like the same amount of ad revenue that live views do. Even time shifted ratings are way less valuable because advertisers assume people are skipping the ads.

            the viewers across platforms aren’t equal from the bean counters view. It’s the eyeballs on ads that matter, not the eyeballs on the program. Watch it on the internet and you deliver your eyeballs on a couple of ads charged at a few hundred $ per 1000 views. On live tv it’s a load more ads each charged at a higher rate, scaled to the number of eyeballs

            • Tracey 9.2.1.2.2.1

              YUP, online and recorded eliminates most Ads which is what the ratings are aimed at.

              Paul Henry show in some trouble at 43,000 viewers on that front you would think.

        • Delia 9.2.1.3

          Why would you sign a petition to keep a show you never watched. Talk about a very weak argument.

  10. les 10

    Weldon will ‘foxifise’ TV3 and then try and sell it .Commercial T.V american style along with politics from tricky dicks and Roger Aisles manuals of how to get and hold on to power.

  11. AUDNZD 11

    Fewer and fewer people were watching Campbell, so the day of reckoning has come for him. Time to do something else.

    • Delia 11.1

      They did not even ask the over 54’s their opinion, so here is what I will do if they can it, I will have nothing to do with anything MediaWorks produces.

    • Tracey 11.2

      Paul Henry must be nervous then…

  12. Melanie Scott 12

    So as we wave goodbye to Campbell LIve we say hello to “The Young and The Clueless”. Welcome to a new dumber and dumber New Zealand.

  13. Clemgeopin 13

    I sent the following email to [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and to http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive/Contact.aspx

    “Hi.

    Here is MY personal commitment. If TV3 axes Campbell live, I will STOP watching ANY programme on TV3 for the rest of this year at least. I often listen to Radio Live of Media Works also. I will stop doing that too. This is not an empty knee jerk reaction. I want to take a practical stand within my simple power designed to hurt Media Works at least a little bit. Please keep Campbell Live on. It is a quality show watched by intelligent, thinking, caring people.

    Thank you,
    (Yours etc)”

  14. ianmac 14

    I like what John Campbell does and fear the indication of some folk getting control of the media and thus control the beliefs and understandings of the population. Aiming for the 2017 election?

    • Paul 14.1

      Definitely .
      The saturation of the media by right wing clowns like Henry and Hosking.
      The neutering of Radio NZ.
      The takedown of Campbell Live.
      Maori TV will be next.

      And notice how Key is invisible whilst this act of blatant dirty politics goes on.
      NZ has simply become a small branch office for the multinational corporations, run by its sleazy salesman Key.

      • Al66 14.1.1

        Great post! Touche’

      • tc 14.1.2

        Begun at MTV the moment they appointed Maxwell as Hirschfield and Wilcox bailed immediately.

        It’s not a biggie though as it’s not the high viewership the reality celebrity networks enjoy as viewing habits are just that….habitual.

  15. Al66 15

    Sickening but to be expected from the current batch of Tories

  16. AUDNZD 16

    Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, Campbell will be quickly forgotten. A mere blip, now confined to TV history.

    • Colonial Rawshark 16.1

      I sensed earlier that you the type to write talented Kiwis off with a simple shrug and a sneer.

    • mpledger 16.2

      The thing about Campbell is that he has not got all the media experience and face-recognition that would make him an amazing political candidate.

      And if Key’s henchmen shafts him at mediaworks then I don’t see him going anywhere near National or the Right.

      Chew on that Cosby-textor.

    • Even if the cancellation happens, I wouldn’t rule out that TVNZ considering an offer to John Campbell to move the show or join their news team

      You’d be nuts to assume that John doesn’t have a future somewhere in journalism in this country.

  17. dave 17

    If TV 3 has been compromised at the political level then there no point trying to keep camp dell live going the program would exist in a toxic environment where honest reporting is impossible I think Russell brand truths program model offers an alternative to the old dinosaur media companies who no longer reprosentive of society an alternative must be found through the manipulation and propaganda and bare faced lies we are being fed

  18. Tony 18

    2 things:

    1. Ratings are BS. They’re wildly inconsistent and I was told by the former Researcher at TV3 (ratings pay his salary) that they really have no idea who’s watching, but they use the system to justify advertising rates. They only measure 600 homes in NZ and these homes viewing decisions dictate advertising revenue and hence, what will sink or swim.

    2. TVNZ CEO has been seen going over the line-up producer’s content for the 6pm news – management meddling in news content is now common. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY OBJECTIVE TELEVISION NEWS IN NEW ZEALAND.

  19. whateva next? 19

    Didn’t Henry get driven out by public outcry when people had enough of his crassness………yet here he comes back AGAIN, how does that work if public ratings are all???? and Key is there at the door to welcome “Pauly” back to TV’s in the morning, awww niiice.

  20. adam 20

    I think Campbell is a goner – but hey I was wrong about Northland by-election too.

    And I think the other Mr Campbell say why rather well.

    http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2015/04/10/gordon-campbell-on-the-demise-of-campbell-live/

    • weka 20.1

      Rumours of his demise have been greatly exaggerated (it’s a review, he hasn’t been sacked yet).

  21. Paul 21

    From throng website, ruin by Regan Cunliffe.

    TV RATINGS: 9 APRIL 2015

    Most watched on TV3

    3 News: 256,100 (6:00 pm – 7:00 pm)
    Top Gear: 248,120 (7:30 pm – 8:50 pm)
    Campbell Live: 241,870 (7:00 pm – 7:30 pm)
    Flight of the Phoenix: 133,720 (8:50 pm – 11:15 pm)
    Paul Henry: 65,150 (7:00 am – 9:00 am)

    Head to head

    Breakfast (6:00 am – 6:30 am): 67,830
    Breakfast (6:30 am – 7:00 am): 101,710
    Breakfast (7:00 am – 8:00 am): 145,060
    Breakfast (8:00 am – 9:00 am): 107,220

    Paul Henry (6:00 am – 7:00 am): 42,490
    Paul Henry (7:00 am – 9:00 am): 65,150

    Biggest increases (previous week)

    One News: TV ONE 652280 – up from 504960 (6:00 pm – 7:00 pm)
    Shortland Street: TV2 409150 – up from 291830 (7:00 pm – 7:35 pm)
    Seven Sharp: TV ONE 437090 – up from 343360 (7:00 pm – 7:30 pm)
    Campbell Live: TV3 241870 – up from 156470 (7:00 pm – 7:30 pm)
    Neighbours: TV2 184580 – up from 100970 (6:30 pm – 7:00 pm)

    http://www.throng.co.nz/2015/04/tv-ratings-9-april-2015/#more-85627

    My observations
    Campbell Live amongst 3 biggest increases in viewing.
    Paul Henry miserable stats vs Breakfast.

    My conclusions
    1. Campbell Live dipped because of the cricket.
    2. Given its publicity and promotion. Paul Henry’s show is a rating disaster.

    • saveNZ 21.1

      @Paul

      Also if campbell Live is 3rd most watched on TV3 why would you can it?

      Especially as Paul Henry is below him!

      Political!!!

      Don’t you just hate the Nats and the Nats corporate welfare recipients!

      The can’t handle freedom of speech.

    • I can’t find the damn link now, but I was reading something this afternoon which compared the audience pull-through from 3 News to Campbell Live vs One News to Seven Sharp. 3 News has much lower ratings than One News, but there’s a much steeper drop-off to Seven Sharp than there is to Campbell Live. Which could indicate that if they improved the audience of 3 News it would naturally flow on to boost Campbell Live’s ratings.

      • Tracey 21.2.1

        If 45-65,000 people are watching Henry how can that survive, given his salary size and that he starts in a far worse position than CL is now? Can’t be bothered finding them but presume Henry was brought in to drag morning ratings up, so what were they before (when I used to watch it from 6 to 630am)… but no more

  22. saveNZ 22

    Hi I think if this is true from the previous blog, then the problem is the ratings are worthless as statistical data!!! Can someone let us know do they really only count 440 boxes out of nearly 4 million people to determine ratings, cos I’m not statistician but it seems like it would be below a margin of error.

    Karen 45.1
    10 April 2015 at 11:32 am
    Ratings are collected via a set box in 440 households in NZ. The people who have them are given gifts to compensate for having to push a button every time they start or stop watching tv. The machine itself indicates the channel that they are watching at sends it to Neilson electronically.

    The households are chosen to reflect a range of ages etc. Where the system falls down is the boxes aren’t given to people who are flatting and there is no way that you can tell if people are actually watching or are just in the room where the tv is. Also many people wouldn’t want one so it is self selecting.

    I don’t know anyone who has ever had one, but a market research person once came to the door. I felt sorry for her because it was raining so I did the survey, then she said I may be suitable for having a ratings box. I was tempted, but would have to had to lie about my media related job to qualify.

    Thought it may have been fun to manipulate the ratings, though.

    Reply
    Paul 45.1.1
    10 April 2015 at 11:37 am
    440 households makes for a very small data group.

    Reply
    saveNZ 45.1.1.1
    10 April 2015 at 12:15 pm
    Extremely small number considering how much money advertisers pay. If I was an advertiser and I was paying based on 440 households results on a population of nearly 4 million, and the 440 people might not even be watching. Hello, stupidity!!!

    The margin of error is probably greater than the result!

    Reply
    Paul 45.1.1.1.1
    10 April 2015 at 12:44 pm
    And wasn’t Campbell Live’s low rating days the same time as the World Cup semi?

    Reply
    saveNZ 45.1.1.1.1.1
    10 April 2015 at 12:48 pm
    Ha ha. It’s a set up. The trolls are out ad Nauseum about the ratings I guess it is the only way to set up John Campbell.

  23. saveNZ 23

    I mean it is not even automated so the human error alone makes it pathetic. My electrical smart meter can do better. No wonder the Internet is taking over at least you have page views.

    Let alone the small number of data being collected.

    TV Ratings are a scam.

    • I saw a very good tweet today on the topic from a blogger asking “If I can get fairly accurate measurements of how many people read my blog every day, why can’t TV channels get accurate ratings?”

      • Karen 23.1.1

        The problem is just knowing what channel is turned on doesn’t tell you who is in the room watching. Advertisers want to know the age and sex of the people watching and whether they are the ‘household shopper.’

        I think the advertisers and the channels know the ratings are dodgy but they just go along with the current system because they don’t really care if they are accurate or not.

  24. timbo 24

    This all makes it imperative that the next government institutes and seriously funds a TVNZ7 equivalent. Setting it up as an endowed and independent Trust with a sensible charter would be the way to go. Sad times, but as a nation we get what we deserve I fear. The writing was in the wall ever since Phillip Sherry got the chop…

  25. Paul 25

    Sleazy nasty Nat gets blowback for repulsive facebook comments about Campbell Live.

    “No surprises that it’s only Labour Party MPs scrambling to keep Campbell Live running #goodjobmikehosking”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67680010/national-mp-todd-barclay-blasts-campbell-live-supporters

    This is the guy who shilled for big tobacco.
    Nice guy.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/9996252/Editorial-Tobacco-stain-on-would-be-MP

    Todd McClay is clearly not popular with the locals, who describe him as ‘clueless.’
    http://www.scene.co.nz/queenstowns-clueless-shooin-mp-says-mayor-who/316733a1.page

  26. Michael 26

    A Dirty Politics strike against Campbell because he’s not a National Party mouthpiece like the rest of them. Not a surprise that the 14 year old Member of Philip Morris is slinging shit around: that’s why he’s there in the first place. I think Mediaworks will probably drive Campbell out of the studio by the usual management techniques – well before the next election.

    • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 26.1

      it is more than ‘dirty’.

      corrupt as well as other more precise and unpleasant words should be used quite simply.

  27. ianmac 27

    TAM Nielsen ratings figures.
    http://www.thinktv.co.nz/about-tv/the-business-of-tv/understanding-tv-data/
    How they do it:

    “Electronic metering technology is at the heart of the Nielsen ratings process. These tools capture not only what programme is being watched, but also who is watching and when. In January 2012 the measurement was expanded to include time-shifted viewing.

    The Peoplemeter Panel (“the Panel”)

    The Panel is representative of the entire New Zealand population. It is made up of approximately 600 households who are carefully chosen to reflect a “mini-New Zealand”. These dwellings may be either owned or rented properties.
    (Read somewhere it was 440 homes in NZ?)

    …..Each day at 2am data from the previous 24 hours is retrieved by TAM and processed ready for a 9:30am delivery.”

    • Karen 27.1

      Thanks for that. It seems they increased the 440 boxes to 600 in 2012. They never used to include rented properties but I guess home ownership has dropped so much they have to.
      I’d like to know if there are some restrictions on the kind of rented properties- I suspect they would have to be longterm renters, not student flats..

      • saveNZ 27.1.1

        @IanMac

        That means the TV ratings are meaningless. 600 out of 4,471,000 NZ population is one hundredth of one percent. Unbelievable!

        As well as the political nature of the potential axing of Campbell Live, it has also bought to light how meaningless TV rating statistics are!

        Good one TV3 execs for bringing this to the general public and advertisers attention!

        TV Ratings are statistically meaningless.

  28. fisiani 28

    First world problems. What will be the next whinge? A TV company daring to choose which programmes it will broadcast.
    If you do not like it then start your own TV station. Perhaps even call it Standard TV. That’s surely an inspirational TV station title.Obviously people would flock to watch documentaries about victorious strikers, the appalling impact of 3.5% economic growth, the bastards who are returning home to our brighter future and giving us an all time record number of people employed. You could even have an announcer speaking with the Red Flag flying in the background and a massive arms spread wide picture of St David Cunliffe -the visionary who we all knew his destiny was to be PM but inexplicably led Labour to a near record low stunning poll result in 2014.

    • Delia 28.1

      Nah, mate, I will just vote with my feet, no more MediaWorks for me. Easy choice, most of it is terrible anyway.

      • Michael 28.1.1

        Same here. There are other, and better, options than National Party propaganda outlets.

    • McFlock 28.2

      Cuts both ways.
      If you don’t like people whinging about first world problems, why don’t you start your own blog rather than whinging here? Perhaps even call it The Fisiani Blog. Obviously people would flock to read about life on Planet Key and how NZ is ruined by a parasitic sense of community and consideration for others.

      You could even have a “freedom index”, showing which failed state is best for self-identified Rourkians to shrug off to: sadly, Somalia seems to be regaining stablity, but maybe you can life on one of those Antarctic fishing trawlers that always seem to be outside everyone’s jurisdiction for basic human rights.

    • Paul 28.3

      You really are a tosser.
      People are not whinging, fisi. I note the word whinger is a meme you rwnjs use. Did your masters tell you to use it repeatedly?
      As for me, I shall not be watching or listening to anything on Mediaworks apart from Campbell Live until it is guaranteed the show is safe. It’s called action, fisi.

      • Ffloyd 28.3.1

        We have already stopped watching anything but Campbell on 3. Have found some entertaining programmes on Māori TV, and watch 1news. No big hardship as most everything else is rubbish. Is it true that P henry’s daughter is employed on his show? The dim one? So wrong if it’s right!! It’s very unnerving what is happening at the moment. How to stop it?? IMO Julie Christie looks like a bouncer! I know,I know, shouldn’t get personal, but hey!.

      • stigie 28.3.2

        I call it a hissy fit.

    • saveNZ 28.4

      @Fisiani

      Thanks for your advice, I think Standard TV is not a bad idea.

      A lot more interesting than Seven Sharp!

      You might be onto something.

      Perhaps you can get more hours trolling Eveningreport.nz in the interim.

    • gnomic 28.5

      This really won’t do. Grade did not achieve whatsoever. F for foolish fail. Does this user id actually waste oxygen, or is it a poorly programmed bot spewing out rightist memes?

  29. Dan1 29

    Boycott zero hours companies. Boycott Mediaworks. People power worked in Northland!

    • Paul 29.1

      Am doing number 2.
      Can you list companies who use zero hour contracts?

      • alwyn 29.1.1

        Rumour has it that Mediaworks are talking of giving John Campbell a zero hours contract.
        You’ll get two for the price of one with your boycott won’t you?

        • Paul 29.1.1.1

          Boycotting all mediaworks except Campbell Live

          • mac1 29.1.1.1.1

            “Boycotting all mediaworks except Campbell Live.”

            No great imposition there for this viewer. Had a look at 36 hours programming. Nothing at all there, really, for this viewer.

      • Hanswurst 29.1.2

        Am doing number 2.

        Too much information.

      • Dan1 29.1.3

        I understand Maccas, Burger King and Wendy’s use zero hours contracts. There will be other less high profile businesses whose workers need to make public.

  30. Heather Grimwood 30

    Boycotting the most obvious and easy retort

  31. weka 31

    For facebookers, pledge to watch CL tonight.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/797555790323030/

  32. Once was Tim 32

    “The future of Campbell Live has been in doubt since the arrival of Julie Christie and Mark Weldon at MediaWorks in the middle of last year”

    Never a truer word spoken!
    This has all the hallmarks of Steve Joyce’s mitts being all over it too.
    Interesting too how the likes of Gosman and other apologists keep pushing the line that this is all about commercial necessity and commercial survival.

    Of course it is, and that is just the fucking point! ….. Weldon et all (Jooolie – her and her stetson tinfoilhat; her and her not giving a fuck about sovereignety [unless expressed in economic terms], or trashing the environment of struggling indigenous people – such as her Fijian presence and getting in cute with Fijian chiefs; …….etc., etc., …… etc., know nothing else – they’re the I I I me me me’s of a Thatcherite type philosophy in which there is indeed ‘no society’ – merely a bunch of ‘consumers’
    Given that they push that line though , as high and mighty ideologues from ‘the centre right’ {actually a fucking sight more distant from the centre], then they should not have accepted the corporate welfare they have in past years – the $43m deference; the NZ on Air subsidies for making populist crap that ey couldn’t if they actually operated in the ‘commercial environment’ they espouse; the list goes on.

    And nor can they object therefore when an ideologically driven opposition (if it could get its act together) – i.e. those that come from an opposing position that believes the social (equipped with its ability to vote in a democratic ‘society’) opposes and pursues compensation.

    That compensation might be (for example) the $43m ‘gift’ by way of deferred payments; or it might be the years of economic advantage that’s come to pass from allowing a privately owned monopoly to operate (one that’s driven up the cost of programme content, imbedded arrangements with producers – including the ‘commercial arm’ of other nations’ public service broadcasters; or it might be compensation for the exclusive use of intellectual property that has resulted from the NZ taxpayers’ input (HEARTLAND, KIDZONE 24, et al, Kordia, The Archive, and so on). It could even be paying a fairer rate for the use of the PUBLIC’s airwaves/ether.
    They cannot object surely when an ideologically-driven opposition, OR one that simply respects democracy, OR the nation’s sovereignty, OR the will of it’s people, or some other ‘left wing conspiratorial’, namby pamby bunch of tree-huggers, or any others who just want their elected representatives held to account and who understand what it is that constitutes a 4th Estate ……….
    they can’t object to using the same mechanisms in support of the social and the cultural – mechanisms they’d probably see as ‘social’ welfare.

    This is actually a golden opportunity for NZ’s opposition political parties to stamp their difference on NZer’s political awareness and to come together in support of resurrecting a 4th Estate (one of the pillars of a non-dysfunctional democracy).

    I also note the likes of Bradbury and others keep mouthing how Winnie hates the Greens, and of being hyper analytical over Labour’s factions …. true enough maybe ………. ALTHOUGH I don’t actually think Winnie does ‘hate’ the Greens – I think its more that he didn’t particularly like that “wimpy, wining pretender okker from across the ditch with past bloody commie credentials” co-leader who has now gone. I’m pretty sure in fact that he’s supportive of many so-called “Green” policies – especially given his concern for the regional neglect, national sovereignty, anti-corruption mechanisms, maintaining an environment he grew up with and one he wants to provide for his children, etc. There is no ‘hatred’ of Green policies as such – more that he wasn’t that fond of its former co-leader. I wouldn’t be surprised even if he sees the necessity for a party that represent policies that seek to resurrect a 4th Estate; preserves and resurrects national sovereignty, a clean environment, regional development, rids us of cronyism and unaccountability, etc.

    It’s a golden opportunity for a combined opposition (Labour-NZF-Green …. but not limited to) to resurrect a functional 4th Estate, and to rid the corporate welfare that’s given us the visual and audio pus that’s now almost the entire electronic media’s output.
    IF and when they do – I’ve no doubt there’ll be charges his/they’re exacting ‘revenge’. Well so be it if that comes to pass. So be it.

    There’s NO reason why NZer’s shouldn’t expect (at a minimum) a Public Service Broadcaster that provides a National radio network challenging/questioning/holding-to-account our political reps a la National Radio; A Concert programme that is in support of the arts and that provides access to existing tax-payer subsidised institutions (e.g. NZSO, NZ Ballet, Opera Co., NZ bands/videos, NZoAir/tax-payer supported initiatives), A ‘TheWireless’ that “represents those who’ve grown up in the ‘Digital Age'”; A non-commercial ‘ONE’ tv network whose primary concern is to support ‘the political public sphere’; a second network that provides current and historical access to the nation’s cultural and social endeavours; and a Children’s network a la Kidzone24.
    I.E. ALL, A-L-L NZers have an entitlement to
    National Radio, Concert FM and at least ONE commercial-free TV channel alongside a KIDZONE24 and a “Heartland”&TWO-type channel (maybe either minimally commercial/sponsored).
    The corporate welfare and government-assisted actions that’ve allowed commercial broadcasters to dumb-down and fleece (by way of monopolistic positioning and other assistance) the NZ Public…………
    ALL NZers!! are entitled to have access to that free-to-air “The wireless” type broadcast radio, and to something akin to “Heartland”, AND to Kidzone 24.

    God only knows how TVNZ has been allowed to continue to operate in its politically partisan manner in what we pretend is a functioning democracy. I think it’s down to a few little cliques who regard themselves as an ‘in crowd’. (Watch them moan like stuffed pigs if and when there is a change of government and a serious attempt to resurrect PSB)

    I’ll end this little rave now, but its also high time the little cliques that have been allowed to develop who’re responsible for electronic media to become in the state that it is in today are moved along. (Many of them you could actually send them on extended leave and their absence would hardly be noticed other than by those pulling their strings).
    There needs to be a new ‘in crowd’ – one that’s minus little TVNZ Andy Pandy’s and highly/way way way OVER-paid position holder’s who’re utterly unproductive; AND the Joolie Christie’s and other place holders pushing their barrows to be moved right along.
    Let ’em fuck off overseas if they think they can cut it! The ticket clippers and masters of the universe that operate in our government subsidised media institutions is phenomenal, and has been for close to a decade and more.

    • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 32.1

      Thanks very much.

      It’s a golden opportunity for a combined opposition (Labour-NZF-Green …. but not limited to) to resurrect a functional 4th Estate, and to rid the corporate welfare that’s given us the visual and audio pus that’s now almost the entire electronic media’s output.

      This is a good time for the government-in-waiting to push for policies and initiatives to ensure there will be an independent Fourth Estate and a commitment to ensuring the funding and management arrangements will not be beholden to corporate or commercial control. The Fourth Estate must serve the public interest in investigating into abuses or misuses of power, whether by the corporates, banksters or government.

      Still waiting for some gutsy criticisms and real moves from the opposition, instead of weak press releases.

      • Once was Tim 32.1.1

        “Still waiting for some gutsy criticisms and real moves from the opposition, instead of weak press releases.”

        Me too! @Kiwiri.
        As I said though, here is a golden opportunity for a co-operative approach.
        If I were a commercial broadcaster, I’d be a little more circumspect and a little less arrogant in my behaviour.
        They actually operate because we grace them a certain degree of privilege (the right to use the Public’s ether). Of course I’ve no doubt they’ll consider/argue that NOONE owns that ether, whereas I maintain that the NZ public do – in any case, since they pay for bandwidth slots/licence to operate they already must acknowledge that they DO.
        We’ve allowed a monopoly as well in Pay TV AND given that monopoly its own FTA channel in which cross-platform promotions can take place. (No wonder 3 is in trouble).
        We’ve allowed a large player to monopolise the commercial radio sector.
        In short we’ve bent over backwards to support the Mediaworks and SKY operators and their response has been one of arrogant ‘corporate citizenship’ (to use the buzz they’d go for – going foward, as a matter of fact ekshully).
        There’s actually a very EASY way of pulling SKY into line (using the supposed ‘commercial principles’ they operate under.
        I’ve thought about all this in depth (since being a part of the Save TVNZ7 campaign, and familiar with some of the options and opinions that came out of the early meetings – such as means and ways of funding PSB offered by Peter Thompson AND others).
        MTS has to be admired – the manner in which it provides a decent sort of service at relatively minimal cost is great, and it’s because it (THUS FAR) hasn’t indulged in the managerialism and wankery of highly paid ticket clippers that’s to be seen elsewhere.
        There is no reason why a PSB service (radio and TV and internet) can’t be achieved with at least 3 radio and 3 TV networks using funding methodology found elsewhere in the world. I’d even go further ….. ensuring the PSB organisation has an obligation to provide the platform for indigenous broadcasters to operate (e.g. Iwi radio, and MTS) – i.e. transmission facilities, if necessary tech personnel.
        The thing to worry about is that we need to do something about the current state BEFORE we lose good, willing and able people to fuck off overseas in desperation.

        ……. Just as an aside ……
        has anyone noticed how many of the apologists and those (including me) who consider the number of Natzi schills in our MSM have suddenly become concerned about the demise of CL.
        Finally, they’re beginning to realise that maybe they’re next on the list (as indeed they are – lookn achoo e-spinners, etc.
        The short term thinking of many of these muppets – it’d be amusing if it wasn’t so serious.
        Let’s hope there’s an opposition that’s up to it all eh?

  33. fisiani 33

    The problem is that no matter how many people switch on CL tonight it all depends on what the 600 people with devices watch.

    • McFlock 33.1

      So you’re now saying that your previous comments about plummetting viewership were highly unreliable because the 600 viewers with boxes don’t reliably reflect how many people actually watch the show.

    • mac1 33.2

      How are the 600 chosen? What demographic/s do they represent?

      IMO, you’d need to have the same qualities of endurance of one of the 300 Spartans to watch TV1-4. I had a look at the SKY listings for the next 36 hours for these channels and CL, perhaps somebody’s News, and a Midsomer Murder is all I could anticipate viewing.

      Of course, anything with the illustrious leader won’t be seen for a while, eh Fisiani, ‘cos he seems to have to gone to ground with all the bad news about. The budget forecast to be in the positive has gone red, the by-election was lost and the privatisation of NZ prisons gets a boost. Social housing land is sold, the value of the NZ dollar hurts our exporters, and our poorly researched government is starting to pull back on silly ideas such as paying for police checks; and 30 Police stations are to close.

      As for Honest John actually fronting on Campbell Live……

  34. Paul 34

    The Panel today discussing Campbell Live with Josie Pagani and Gordon McLauchlan
    Gordon McLauchlan speaks a lot of sense.
    Has Pagani joined the ACT party? Her views do not match those of someone’s remotely concerned with progressive or socialist policies.
    Gordon McLauchlan clearly wearied of Pagain’s views throughout the show.
    Why is she invited?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/20174297

    • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 34.1

      Pagani becomes more irrelevant the more she opens her mouth and attempts to say something.

      The Panel discussion, with Selwyn Manning participating there, is a good reminder of The Evening Report:

      http://eveningreport.nz/

      • millsy 34.1.1

        Tory women — OK to look at until their open their mouths.

        Josie is OK to look at….but when she opens her mouth…OMG — she is becoming Tory.

  35. Clean_power 35

    Like it or not, CL will be gone soon. Time to move on.

  36. helen 36

    not surprised Campbell Live is canned… having just sat through 10 minutes of watching a cat and a chicken

  37. philj 37

    Campbell is one issue, the appalling state of TVNZ as our Public Broadcaster is even more concerning. Join the Better Broadcasting group formed after the killing off of advertisement free TV7 by this National ‘government’.

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