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Collins withdraws and pledges to support English

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Judith Collins has withdrawn from the leadership race and pledged support for Bill English, essentially confirming that he has the numbers and will be the next National leader and Prime Minister.

Our thoughts are with Cameron Slater at this most difficult of times.

162 comments on “Collins withdraws and pledges to support English”

  1. tc 1

    Smart move by judith.

    Leading them to an election loss would be the end of her aspirations whereas blinglush will slink off after a long career on the taxpayers tit.

  2. Paul 2

    So it’s Double Dipton as P.M.

    It has been apparent for a while that it is no longer tenable for him to stipulate his primary place of residence as being in his Clutha-Southland electorate when his real home has long been in Wellington.

    It is not just a matter of putting things right to satisfy the Cabinet Manual’s requirement that ministers “behave in a way that upholds, and is seen to uphold, the highest ethical standards”.

    His highly questionable claim to be an out-of-Wellington MP – a status which made him eligible for an accommodation allowance while in Opposition and which entitles him to taxpayer-funded ministerial accommodation now he is in Government – has become unsustainable in purely political terms.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10599678

  3. rob 3

    I hope Bill gives her the flick asap or he cops one in the back later! but really I couldn’t care less, just as long as they don’t get voted in again.

  4. Enough is Enough 4

    That is a real pity

    I was hoping for an ugly messy dirty few days as they tore strips off each other and leaked innuendo and gossip.

    Unfortunately it looks like it will be smooth transition with no internal fighting visible to the rest of us.

    • weka 4.1

      Yeah, plus Collins as leader would have handed the election to the left.

    • Naki man 4.2

      “Unfortunately it looks like it will be smooth transition with no internal fighting visible to the rest of us”

      Yes this is a well oiled machine, the cowboys in the Labour party could learn a thing or two from National or the Greens.

    • Hey !

      Be Patient !!!

      That’s all coming in the weeks and months ahead when the Double Dipper returns the same result he did back in 2002 .

      Don’t worry – you wont miss out on the circus… believe me … it’ll be action packed and make great viewing !!!

      • Enough is Enough 4.3.1

        You are right. I may have spoken to early

        Check out blubber buy frothing over this

        http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/12/collins-withdraws-bully-bill-gets-pm/

        • TopHat 4.3.1.1

          He is throwing his toys out of the pram isn’t he?

          “For my part I can no longer support the National party that is led by Bill English. I expect an immediate tanking in the polls.

          Unfortunately, it appears that John Key’s legacy will one of wrecking a successful government, but I will write more on that later today.

          It is a sad day for the National party, and even though I am not a member of any party I can no longer support the National party.”
          -Cameron Slater 08-12-’16

          • the pigman 4.3.1.1.1

            😥

            I might frame that and put it up by my desk for a while to raise spirits through til June’s election.

          • GregJ 4.3.1.1.2

            Thanks for the assist TopHat – I refuse to click on any link to the Blubber’s site – I have no interest in financially supporting his vile spew.

        • wellfedweta 4.3.1.2

          Slater has backed Collins for ever. He’s been pushing out posts taking digs at other candidates faster than a locomotive, and with about the same subtlety. He is seriously deluded.

  5. Paul 5

    More on the personality and calibre of our new PM.

    Unions demand Bill English apologise for describing jobseekers as ‘pretty damned hopeless’.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11622250

    • And backing his mate in calling them drug addled …

    • wellfedweta 5.2

      As English said, comments taken out of context. Typical union dirty politics.

      • WILD KATIPO 5.2.1

        You again , Weta,…

        And now we see you slagging the unions… typical.

        Here is an event that happened in West Virginia called the Upper Big Branch mining disaster that happened about 2 months before Pike River. In fact the same parent company that owned that mine had major shares in Pike River .

        And like Pike River , it too had 31 in that mine and , – again like Pike River – out of that 31 , – 29 miners also lost their lives.

        Complete with the same managerial incompetence including threatening non unionized workers with job loss if workers raised safety issues ( 30:40 – 32: 30 ) , negligent safety regimes and the same issues with substandard ventilation ( 33:01 – 41: 03 ) , and also the same negligence on reporting, checking on , and failing to address issues of fundamental mine safety and dangerous methane level build ups.

        And in this post Pike River era,… I really don’t think its too wise to whine on about unions in light of the sort of workplace slaughter that occurs from the neo liberal ideal of a non unionized workforce .

        Just for you , Weta.

      • framu 5.2.2

        get back to us when youve got evidence of the unions running a secret attack machine using tax payer funds

        • wellfedweta 5.2.2.1

          Unions don;t receive taxpayer funds (thank goodness). Members funds, yes.

          • framu 5.2.2.1.1

            so no evidence of them running a secret attack machine then – just saying things publicly.

            breaking news – union says stuff publicly and we know who said it!

            Thats your limit out of me – not engaging in your evasions beyond this

    • AB 5.3

      I am existentially confused by Bill. How can he simultaneously live and not live in Dipton?

  6. BM 6

    Look and learn chaps, this is how the pros do it.

    And, no Collins and Coleman won’t get the flick either.

    Paula Bennett will be deputy, she’s a bit more mumsie than Collins.

    • ropata 6.1

      He’s just announced a record surplus. Strangely silent about collapsing Solid Energy and strip mining Housing New Zealand and cutting/freezing other vital public services.

    • TopHat 6.2

      Phone rings in JC’s office.
      “Hi Judith, Bill here. Look I got the numbers, if you don’t jump into line come Monday you’ll be on your bike…”

      • BM 6.2.1

        Probably, or she realised that she had at best a handful of votes.

        Knowing when to quit is an important skill.

      • alwyn 6.2.2

        Goodness me. That was exactly the words Justin Lester (Wellington Mayor) is supposed to have used to his predecessor Celia Wade-Brown when he forced her out of the race earlier this year.
        Well she jumped, onto her bike and fled.
        Are you sure you wire-tapped the correct phone line?

    • framu 6.3

      i suspect that
      a) she knows the numbers are against her right now
      and
      b) shes still got leadership aspirations and is waiting to see what happens at the election

      • GregJ 6.3.1

        … see what happens at the election

        Hopefully that the voters of Papakura develop a sense of morality and throw her corrupt arse out. 😡

  7. Hehehe… Collins the Goosestepper has her boy installed so she has decided to play senior mentor to Simon 10 Bridges Bridges road instead….

    Too bad the memory of S.Bridges Bridges butchers such a great song about another 7 bridges though ,…

  8. Paul 8

    And more from the empathetic and compassionate Mr English.

    ‘Let them eat cake.’

    Hon BILL ENGLISH: There is no evidence that inequality in New Zealand is increasing.

    http://parliamenttoday.co.nz/2016/06/questions-answers-june-29/

    Working 80 hours a week and still not always able to feed their two young children decent meals . That’s the reality for one family in Porirua. Our employment reporter Max Towle has their story. In response, the Finance Minister Bill English tells Guyon Espiner inequality is not increasing in New Zealand, and while life is tough for low paid families, they are better off here than in comparable countries.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201806441/porirua-family-can-only-afford-biscuits

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/07/05/foot-in-mouth-award-bill-english-for-his-recent-flat-earth-comment-in-parliament/

    • Isn’t it wonderful?

      Its a Blinglish the Bland unanimous vote !

      Probably the third best thing the Left could have hoped for after Leopard skin Leotard Bennett and Clawface Goosestepper Collins.

      But a good result nonetheless.

      Any one of these Vaudeville sideshow freaks ensures a win for the Left in 2017 !!!

      • Muttonbird 8.2.1

        Sorry, but is ‘wellfedweta’ a multi of the banned fisiani? You like to quote stats NZ as vigorously as fisiani did.

        The forums I come from have very severe penalties for using a new username while banned.

        • wellfedweta 8.2.1.1

          No, not fisiani. I do like to work with hard data though. I find anecdotes satisfy only soft minds.

          • Muttonbird 8.2.1.1.1

            Right, so figure 1 shows a slowing increase in, stabilising, and then decreasing inequality from 1999 to 2008 then an arrest of that decline, and steady increase since 2008.

            How do you explain this?

            • UncookedSelachimorpha 8.2.1.1.1.1

              Bigger picture is – overall an increase in inequality since the 1980’s. Why should anyone be happy with this?

              Of course, wealth inequality is always considerably larger than income inequality. As a result, WellFedWetas and their ilk prefer to focus on income. Remember the IRD found around half of a sample of 184 NZers with more than $50m of wealth, had no income at all in the top tax bracket . That alone makes the WellFedWeta’s interpretation of its ‘hard data’ pretty questionable.

              • wellfedweta

                Wealth can include personal dwellings, from which there is often no income. In fact it can include many forms of assets that derive no income.

                Wealth inequality, indeed income inequality, are not in and of themselves necessarily bad, providing the majority of citizens are better off. In the past 8 years real wages have risen faster than in the previous 8 years.

                • UncookedSelachimorpha

                  “Wealth inequality, indeed income inequality, are not in and of themselves necessarily bad, providing the majority of citizens are better off.”

                  er…no. Strong relative inequality is in and of itself harmful, even if in absolute terms people are better off. Try this from that hotbed of leftwing activism, The World Bank

                  And your argument also fails due to the observation that high inequality harms economic growth generally – so even in absolute terms people are harmed by it, not helped. From that socialist mouthpiece, the OECD .

                  • wellfedweta

                    “Strong relative inequality is in and of itself harmful”

                    I disagree, and your own assertions make my argument. You claim NZ has high inequality, yet NZ is doing exceptionally well.

                    “high inequality harms economic growth generally”

                    So does NZ have high inequality or not? Current performance clearly contradicts your opinion.

            • wellfedweta 8.2.1.1.1.2

              You need to learn to read a chart. The level of income inequality today is virtually a flat line to what it was in 1993.

  9. Paul 10

    After the National Party lost the 1999 election to Helen Clark’s Labour Party, English remained as National’s spokesperson for financial matters. In October 2001, dissatisfaction with party leader Jenny Shipley had failed to abate, and English secured the backing of a majority of National Party MPs. English replaced Shipley as head of the National Party and thus as Leader of the Opposition.

    However, English failed to improve the party’s performance. In the 2002 elections, National suffered its worst electoral defeat ever, gaining barely more than twenty percent of the vote. Both party insiders and the general public were split as to how much to blame English for this loss, but most of the party believed that English would be able to rebuild National’s support.

    By late 2003, however, National’s performance in opinion polls remained poor. The party had briefly increased its popularity in the year following the election, but by October its support had fallen to levels only slightly better than what it achieved in the last ballot. English also appeared in a boxing match for a charity against entertainer Ted Clarke. This “stunt” did not boost his polling or that of the National party either, with suggestions that it devalued his image as a serious politician. Don Brash, former governor of the Reserve Bank and a relative newcomer to politics, began to build up support to replace English. On 28 October, Brash gained sufficient backing in Caucus to replace English as leader.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_English#Leader_of_the_Opposition

  10. Pete 11

    Withdraws? I’ve heard it said as some gracious gesture and indication of solidity with and support for English.

    Withdraws = scarpering tail between legs

  11. Sam C 12

    Slater is throwing a real sook on his shitty website. It is a joy to behold.

    • Be kind of hard to win an election without the dirty politics ,this time round , though.

      Especially with the Double Dipper at the helm….

      Better pray Goosestepper Collins gets her little sidekick Bridges in to be deputy likkety split , now , shouldn’t you…

      • framu 12.1.1

        the real question there is who is in collins and slater sights after this – they dont just stop their antics when things dont go their way

  12. Pat 13

    and Dildo Baggins as Finance Minister…all we need now is Paula as deputy and the “B” team will be complete……..wait for the cock ups to come thick and fast.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11763082

  13. Keith 14

    The Nat’s don’t do spontaneity, that has an element of risk. Because a mere 3 days after Keys announcement they have a new leader!

    According to Collins yesterday, English has known of Keys impending departure for 3 months. Everything would have been put in place a long time back very carefully.

    But hey the facade of a leadership contest gave a candle flicker of some kind of democracy within National even though there isn’t although there would have been many a sleepless night, 3 in fact, just in case divisions within the party got the cleansing light of day on them. Their non ministers don’t get a say, they do as they are told.

    So bravo Jonathan Coleman, well played sir for the cameo role of ambitious National Party minister and Judith Collins reluctantly for sticking to the script, you both nearly convinced a blind chimp there was a contest to this non race where the winner was known before the race started.

    I’m glad though as the insane social experiment and idiotic ideology that English is wedded to will carry on as never before and that is not a vote winner.

    • Puckish Rogue 14.1

      Yeah why didn’t National follow Labours lead and run around like headless chooks for a couple of months while the majority of the voting public scratch their heads and wonder what all the fuss is about

    • HAHAHAHA !

      Well put !

      And yes, Collins did stick to the script magnificently !!!

      Magnificently enough to know she only has to bide her time before the Double Dipper bores us all to sleep and annoys us enough to want to give them another 2002 slapping.

    • Leftie 14.3

      I know what you are saying keith, but Collins, English et al are just as bigger liars as John key. To the Nats it is all about perception and spin.

  14. Puckish Rogue 15

    So English leads National to a fourth government with a reduced margin and still needing NZFirst, this fourth government implodes (I mean its Winston) Labour win back power and go for their usual two terms and then Jude comes storming back to lead National to the promised land 🙂

    Its all good

    • New! “Pucky Prozac™ “, sunshine in a capsule. Pucky Prozac™ will have you bouncing from cloud to cloud, turn your pig’s ears into purses, your leopard-print velure into velvet, your fence post into Prime Minister. Pucky Prozac™ eases the pain of reality and allows you to deny what your eyes see and your ears hear. This week, we are offering Pucky Prozac™ in bulk to all National Party supporters when they send back the “I’m a Key Man” t-shirts were sold them earlier. Offer is void if t-shirts are stained with tears (or any other fluid).

    • @P.Rogue

      Nah mate . Oravida Collins went out of fashion with the last corrupt PM. And shes cunning enough to know that.

      What she needs – and has found – is a surrogate to live her lifes dreams through. Enter young Bridges. The only problem there is…

      Bridges.

    • framu 15.3

      “promised land ”

      never picked you as a cultist 🙂

    • alwyn 15.4

      “a reduced margin”.
      It is possible of course. Certainly Key is going to be a very hard act to follow.
      On the other hand I wouldn’t be surprised if the next poll, at the end of January say, has National up to 52%, Labour down to 20% and the Greens on around 11. Winston will be the big beneficiary on about 14%.

      • Robert Guyton 15.4.1

        “Certainly Key is going to be a very hard act to follow”

        Yeah, but Bill can do it,
        ‘Cause he’s got – (personality)
        Walk – (personality) talk – (personality)
        Smile – (personality) charm – (personality)
        Love – (personality)
        ‘Cause he’s got a great big heart
        Well over -and over
        I’ll be a fool for Bill
        Well, well, well over and over
        What more can I do

        Apologies to Jerry Lee Lewis and New Zealand

        • Puckish Rogue 15.4.1.1

          Now lets be honest is anyone really, truly, interested in the leaders debate between English and Little, maybe it’ll be useful for those suffering from insomnia but that’s about it

          • WILD KATIPO 15.4.1.1.1

            Well , Puckish ,…to be honest with you , I kind of like a good boring politician in a way,… with their penchant for quietly spokenness , considered opinions and slow deliberations ,… that’s where I think Joyce, Benett and Collins fall down…as does Bridges,… they just don’t have that boring ‘ X factor ‘ about them…

            Maybe there’s hope for either ,… but I really do think Little’s got the edge over English this time.

            MMmmPFH …!!!

            🙂

          • AB 15.4.1.1.2

            Key was way more boring than either. An incoherent to boot.

          • Duncan Brown 15.4.1.1.3

            Even if it’s between two supposedly “boring” people, the debates will continue to be critical in swaying the votes of the undecideds. It may be that we’ll get more substance along with the expected and anticipated one-liners. We live in hope.

  15. Siobhan 16

    I’m not in the habit of quoting Generation Zero, but I am going to go out on a limb here and assume their recollection of the evening is accurate..

    “He claimed that recent reports “show that the way the world is moving is increasingly towards climate change adaptation rather than mitigation”, and said adaptation policy was “more prudent” than mitigation strategies.”

    “In his view, action on climate change is “a luxury that we can’t afford,” and a “non-issue at the moment, because there are more pressing concerns”.

    http://www.generationzero.org/did_bill_english_really_say_that

    Bills not quite in the Climate Change denier camp, but he appears to be seriously in the shoulder shrugging ‘meh’ camp about climate disasters on the horizon.

    • weka 16.1

      All those rich folk think they’re going to build bio domes to live in. Stupid.

      • Siobhan 16.1.1

        In the case of Bill I assume it’s his RC Faith his invisible friend in the sky swooping down just in time to save Bills wee soul from the eternal damnation of an oven baked planet.
        Or something.
        To be honest I’ve never managed to get any hard core Christian types to exactly explain quite how Climate Change isn’t an issue for them, let alone why they believe in Him Upstairs bit not, you know, Scientific evidence.

        • garibaldi 16.1.1.1

          Well Siobhan they could start their explanation at the point where they claim the world is only 65,000 yrs old……..

          • In Vino 16.1.1.1.1

            Regardless of scientific evidence of impending doom, they believe that there is a divine plan thanks to the god they believe in, and that is their reality – not the reality that we will all have to face.

          • Venezia 16.1.1.1.2

            garibaldi….” they could start their explanation at the point where they claim the world is only 65,000 yrs old……..”

            The Catholic Church does not have a problem with that sort of nonsense. In my memory, which goes back to the early 1960s, Catholic teaching accommodates both evolutionary theories and divine creation. Catholics do not deny evidence based scientific facts.
            I think you will find it is the more extreme fundamentalist sects that propogate the view you mention (world is only 65,000 years old).

        • ropata 16.1.1.2

          The RCC is pretty reasonable about science these days and have apologised for the Galileo debacle. They are also really against neo liberal economics, so i hope Blinglish repents of his heretical economic crimes

    • Sam C 16.2

      A serious question – what is Labour’s position on Climate Change?

      • alwyn 16.2.1

        Grant Robertson is holding a series of seminars around the country to discuss the matter.
        They expect a preliminary report in about 2022.

      • Bunji 16.2.2

        They’re pissed off that National gutted their Emissions Trading scheme, making it ineffectual.

        But National didn’t scrap it, so it can be re-constituted and made so carbon actually has a meaningful price that makes business going green make sense to them.
        They won’t be accepting dodgy Ukrainian/Russian credits either.

        • David C 16.2.2.1

          I wish they would hurry up! I have about 100,000 of the worthless f*cking units!

          • One Anonymous Bloke 16.2.2.1.1

            The National Party fraudulently used fraudulent units rendering the scheme untrustworthy. They don’t give a shit about the worth of your units. I expect you voted for them, too.

            • David C 16.2.2.1.1.1

              I only purchased the forest as a way to stop paying tax to freaking Auntie Helen tho !

              So in a few years time i am going to pay a huge chunk of tax to Uncle Bill 🙂

  16. Gawd. next they’ll all be singing ;Shoulder to shoulder.–might be bit of humour with Bennett /Brownlee high stepping it though.

  17. mosa 18

    Prime minister Bill English , god its going to be a long year.

    I think it was a foregone conclusion and have thought that since Monday the spot to watch is who gets the deputy role.

    That person will be the new leader of the National party ..unofficially.

    If they win a fourth term English wont stay the three years.

    Once they have got their dream team they can turn their thoughts to a by-election or general election.

    Bill aside it may be interesting after all even without the Crusher-Slater leadership team.

    I am sure Slater is already at work bless him.

    • BM 18.1

      Nah he’s having a big cry and is currently alienating the people who pay his bills.

      http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/12/collins-withdraws-bully-bill-gets-pm/#comment-3041552034

      Christ, he’s such a tool.

    • At the moment he is having a real pity party over at W.O…

      This is what the big lad said today at 2pm :

      ……………………………………………………………………………..

      { ” We are now back to 2002.

      For my part I can no longer support the National party that is led by Bill English. I expect an immediate tanking in the polls.

      Unfortunately, it appears that John Key’s legacy will one of wrecking a successful government, but I will write more on that later today. ” }

      ……………………………………………………………………………..

      Expect the Collins revolutionary band to strike up midway through Bonnie Bills term as PM,….

      Meanwhile Bridges Bridges says he is the man for ‘ stability and change’ …

      How the English language is so full of contrasts and double meanings at times….

  18. Observer Tokoroa 19

    . I will miss her
    . Judith is a strange lil person. We all know that. If you want something weird Judy is at your service. Judy + Cameron Slater is a combo made in Heaven.

    She was remarkably like John Key. In that she was and is an Actor. With just a set of funny unpredictable ways – that come from a book called the “Worlds best Liars.”

    She was also very loyal as far as we know to the Chinese. And spent our money on them. Then saying she didn’t. So Keyish.

    As Minister of Police, she lightened their load by not troubling them to find and prosecute Burglers. Papakura like the rest of the Nation was open slather for Break and Enters. I know you think I am making this up, but the fact is that Miss Collins did not want Burglaries investigated or punished.

    As I say Judith is an Actor – an offbeat “hey look at me Girl”. I don’t think Judith took little boys to Waitangi. She stayed home and played with Tazers. John the Actor took a lil girl. She later said “she was used”. To be honest, at the end of the day, Waitangi is only another “Hey Look at Me” job. All so very very National.

    By John. By Judy. By Cameron. By Farar.

  19. Sacha 20

    And Coleman throws in the towel. All over.

    • james 20.1

      Yep – Just think if it was that easy in Labour and down to cacacus. Grant would be the leader of the opposition now.

      • Sacha 20.1.1

        or whoever was competing with Goff in 2008, I guess.

        The differing internal arrangements of Lab, Nat, Greens and Maori Party shed light on their values. Decisiveness/inclusiveness is always an interesting tension.

  20. james 21

    Well done National.

    Nice / quick / professional.

    The public will be happy with how quickly this has happened.

    Knowing that the polls indicate that the majority of people are thinking that the country is heading in the right direction and that English is the architect of a lot of that – I dont see a HUGE drop in the polls coming.

    Will be interesting to see the next preferred PM polls – it will be Angry Andy’s best chance of getting into double figures…

    • Muttonbird 21.1

      It’s clear a change of government doesn’t need a HUGE drop for National in the polls.

      A small drop will do. 🙂

    • Nice / quick / professional…… Pardon me?

      More like

      Ugly / rigged / coerced

    • Chris 21.3

      People like English but because they see him working hard in the background. Things will change big time now he’s PM. National will head back close to 2002 popularity levels. Yes, nice work indeed!

  21. Muttonbird 22

    English to Brash. Brash to Key. Key back to English.

    So this is what National calls renewal?

  22. Henry Filth 23

    My assumption is that Mister Key stood down because he did not believe that the National party would win next years election, and he had no wish to go out as a loser.

    So Mister English will have his day in the sun, but the ticket needs to be “balanced”.

    North Island/South Island, man/woman, urban/rural, those sorts of things.

    The real question remains – who will take the helm in 2018.

    • Muttonbird 23.1

      My assumption is that Mister Key stood down because he did not believe that the National party would win next years election, and he had no wish to go out as a loser.

      This is correct and he himself has stated this.

      Key sycophants view this as a legitimate quitting while you’re ahead. I think it shows cowardice, betrays a lack of belief in his (lack of) policy, and shows his commitment to the country is dependant on personal popularity.

      Key said, ‘I’ll continue as long as new cylinders want me’. Somehow then he saw we didn’t, and that’s why he ran away.

    • wellfedweta 23.2

      National lose the next election? At 50% in the polls (or close to)? With Key’s popularity at such a high level? You are joking right?

      • Leftie 23.2.1

        How do you know 50% is accurate? National got a pretty big thrashing in Roskill.

      • Chris 23.2.2

        But that’s all going to change. With English as leader the nats’ popularity mightn’t go as low as 2002 but it’ll get pretty close. Whether we like it or not a heck of a lot of people vote according to which leader they like. People don’t dislike English, but when he’s leader they won’t like him enough. That’s the reality. The other side of the same coin is that the huge support the nats had under Key was because of Key, not because of their policies. And what’s even more interesting is that that huge support under MMP has translated into fuck all of a majority over the last three elections, so it won’t take much for the English factor to fuck things for National. Ultimately, it comes down to the nats’ lack of depth. Key gone means the nats are gone. Labour’s of course just as shallow, but they get a better deal at the moment out of MMP. That’s the difference.

        • wellfedweta 23.2.2.1

          ” The other side of the same coin is that the huge support the nats had under Key was because of Key, not because of their policies.”

          That’s interesting, because that runs counter to what Frank Macscasy argues, with nationals party popularity remaining high, and Key’s gradually declining over the past 8 years.

          • Chris 23.2.2.1.1

            There’s no contradiction there. The nats high popularity is still because of Key. His popularity may have dropped slightly, but is still at the heart of why the nats are so popular. There are other factors also, like the perceived lack of competence and depth in the opposition.

            • wellfedweta 23.2.2.1.1.1

              Actually I agree with you. I just point out that the opposite view is held by some on the left, including people such as Frank.

    • Leftie 23.3

      “Mister Key stood down because he did not believe that the National party would win next years election, and he had no wish to go out as a loser”

      +1 Henry Filth

  23. swordfish 24

    “essentially confirming that (English) has the numbers and will be the next National leader and Prime Minister”

    Ahhhh, I was wondering why I saw white smoke emanating from the top of the Beehive. New Pope elected by National’s College of Cardinals. Very apt.

  24. Red Hand 25

    About time we had a mainlander, and the cream at that. First Southlander since Joey Ward. Go Billy Boy !!!

    • swordfish 25.1

      Ah yeah, you might not want to promote Liberal leader Joseph Ward as a harbinger of National Party success. Lost the Awarua seat at the 1919 Election after the Reform Party-associated PPA launched a vitriolic campaign against him (suggesting his Catholicism meant disloyalty to Britain during WWI and Irish uprising).

      Reform and Liberal (later ‘United’), of course, going on to form the National Party.

      In other words, Catholic Leaders from Southland tend to symbolise division within the broad Right.

  25. One Anonymous Bloke 26

    Funny how people still claim Dirty Politics is irrelevant. The country owes a debt of gratitude to Nicky Hager.

  26. There was this cocktail party where a keen young man recorded Bill English speaking openly about his ambitions and plans. Where’s that material now…

  27. Sacha 28

    Let’s see the impact on public perception/momentum of the impending Nat cabinet changes brought on by the deal-making this week to secure numbers.

    Left parties, the campaign starts as soon as silly season is over. Be ready.

    • Chris 28.1

      It’s going to be a competition between the two lack-of-depth parties. The nat-lites will win because of MMP.

  28. Well Collins in Parliament looks so sour she must have a severe guts ache.
    I wonder if English will demote her,She certainly looks as if she is expecting the worst.

  29. I must say that Collins looks very sour in Parliament and in fact very quite
    to.I bet she is scheming something up.Watch your back English.

  30. Collins looks very sour in parliament. I bet she is scheming full time.
    All i can say is watch your back English .

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