John Key’s legacy

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One day on and the repercussions of John Key’s resignation are already being felt.  You get the feeling that the reverberations are deep and I suspect that National’s caucus is a seething backstabbing mess of ambition as various MPs jockey for position and backbench MPs that until now have been ignored and used as lobby fodder suddenly have some power.

John Key’s manufacturing of the situation so that a successor is anointed within 7 days is clearly to increase English’s chances.  The Labour Party has a fully democratic system where candidates have to justify their candidacy to the party at large and talk to all sectors of the party.  National clearly could not sustain such a system for the election of its leaders.

The obituaries are already starting with some suggesting that Key was one of our best Prime Ministers.  I beg to differ.

Style wise he was pretty phenomenal but substance wise he was a deep disappointment.  Not only to me but to people on the right such as Matthew Hooton and even Don Brash who is reported to have said this:

Former National party leader Don Brash says John Key has enjoyed being Prime Minister and ego-boosting meetings with world leaders but he has been guilty of tinkering rather than making major changes.

He says Mr Key has not dealt well with crunchy issues of narrowing the wage gap with Australia, superannuation and housing.

Mr Brash gave him a five out of 10 for his time as Prime Minister, saying he had not done anything that Helen Clark would not have done.

Much has been made of how Key dominated politics and how under his leadership National remained ultra popular.  Yes they did poll over 50% often.  But in the poll that counts, election results, their best result was 47%.  This is impressive but we live in an MMP environment.  National has only survived because of puppet MPs put into the Epsom and Ohariu seats in the past two elections.  National’s supposed dominance has needed two puppets and the bending of the electoral system to close to breaking point to maintain power.

It has totally cannibalised its support parties.  ACT is a frail shadow of its former self as is United Future.  The Conservative Party has disappeared.  On the right there is this Borg like entity that sucks all support into itself.

Key has perfected the aw shucks blokey persona that some clearly like.  Although this was only skin deep.  His management of dirty politics and the Cameron Slater Jason Ede axis of evil won him the last election but at the cost of his soul.

As to the substance he did not really achieve or create anything.  He saw off the Global Financial Crisis and the Christchurch Earthquake rebuilds basically by borrowing money which New Zealand could because Michael Cullen had so assiduously paid off debt.

His economic development policies were crap.  Expanding dairying only polluted our rivers and increased our output of greenhouse gasses. The growth of tertiary education for foreign students only caused the mushrooming of marginal providers.

The primary economic growth policy now appears to be ballooning immigration.  Auckland’s population grew almost 3% last year.  The symptoms are clear, rampant house price increases, homeless caused by ordinary people no longer being able to afford inflated rental amounts and a whole generation shut out of the property market.  And services are stretched as budgets are held but demand increases.

And child poverty has ballooned.  Key was great with the visuals and the talk of an under class and the trip to Waitangi with Aroha Ireland before he became Prime Minister was a major PR event for him to show that at least superficially he cared about the underclass.  But the reality?  Over a quarter of a million of children now live in poverty and kids are living in cars even though their parents have jobs.  There is something deeply wrong in New Zealand.

Key was great at the pirouette and the change of the direction and the grabbing of opposition policy as well as the micro policy, the change that had little practical effect but which could be announced triumphantly as evidence that National was different.  The increase to benefits was one of those policies.

But he was appallingly bad at dealing with big long term issues.  Despite an aging population he refused to do anything about superannuation either by contemplating a change to eligibility or by restarting Cullen fund contributions so that at least it would be more affordable.  And he gutted the emissions trading scheme while overseeing the increase in dairying so that the country’s emissions are now out of control.

Economic prowess is the one area where Key claimed special ability.  Yes the economy is growing but having to rebuild the country’s second biggest city twice is good for growth.  And national debt is just short of $90 billion when under Cullen and Clark the debt was pretty well paid off.  Key claiming that the country was not well placed to deal with the Global Financial Crisis is utter bunk.  The accounts were in sound shape back in 2008.  Running up debt may give the illusion of wealth but it will have to be paid back.

Overall Key was great at the spin and the PR but appallingly bad at dealing with the reality.  Despite his hopes the country is now in a far worse situation under his stewardship than it was when he took over.

224 comments on “John Key’s legacy”

  1. Carolyn_nth 1

    Very well said, Sir.

    I’m certainly not feeling the alleged “feelgood” – when I see the homeless on the streets and in their cars.

    Simon Wilson

    And yet he did a great thing for New Zealand. He made us feel good about ourselves. A sense of wellbeing infuses the national consciousness and a lot of that is down to him.

    Wilson must be living in a different country from me and many near to me.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1

      Lazy drug addled ferals who choose to live in their cars aren’t real people. /sarc

    • Karen 1.2

      “Wilson must be living in a different country from me and many near to me”.

      I think this is very true and has become more so over the past 20 years. There is a major disconnect between sections of the population in this country who are doing okay and those who are struggling. I cannot even imagine how anyone could ignore the increase in poverty and serious suffering to claim “a sense of well being infuses the national consciousness” but unfortunately this is a view that is repeated over and over again in the MSM.

      As a result this view is quite widespread, particularly because more and more people are living in their little bubbles pretending everything is just fine as long as their friends and family are okay. The right claim that the left live in bubbles but I think the opposite is true.

      • mosa 1.2.1

        NZ has a parallel reality between what they are told to believe and what really exists.

        People like Simon Wilson is talking to them.

        Wealth real or imaginary keeps away the harsh reality of living and seeing the real New Zealand.

        That is a far away country and not the one they live in.
        Its closer than they think.

        We were good once at keeping people informed of issues that we all had to take ownership of and be aware of the effects on our country.

        Not any more.

      • To be fair, it’s entirely possible that there are bubbles on both sides. Sometimes the ultra-libs on the left in Wellington are surprised when the rest of the country doesn’t agree with us. Other times it’s the neoliberals in Welly and Auckland who get surprised that there isn’t an economic consensus anymore, and don’t understand why people dislike deals like the TPP.

        The thing about bubbles is that it’s actually quite difficult to realise when you’re living in one.

        • WILD KATIPO

          Yes , however , …. bubble or not,… the fact remains that per capita people were far more well off pre 1984, and that was because we still adhered to a form of Keynesian economics. Unlike today where we have a neo liberal based economy and are just like the madman who keeps trying to get a different result by doing the same old thing.

          • Jenny Kirk

            + 100% Wild Katipo

          • Matthew Whitehead

            Indeed, it’s objective reality that things are worse for working people since the 1980s, and that we’re accelerating into the same grotesque inequality other developed countries are experiencing. (It isn’t as bad here primarily because a lot of our rich people don’t own the local businesses, rather they’re owned by Australians or other foreign investors, so the money goes overseas instead)

            The problem comes when you think of upper-middle class as the only “working people,” and everyone else as whingers who didn’t educate themselves enough and lazy drug abusers, all of which are opinions that have come out in varying degrees of brain farts from this government’s ministers. Once you start explaining away hardship that way you can basically oppress whoever you want.

    • Galeandra 1.3

      Carolyn_nth Read what Wilson wrote. He referenced many Key-did-nothing concerns within his piece but points out how important in today’s world of unravelling societies Key’s legacy of a ‘sense of wellbeing’ is.

      Disagree with him if you will, but accept the probability that he’s a better writer than you are a reader.

      • Carolyn_nth 1.3.1

        Galeandra, I did agree with some of what Wilson wrote about the ills of our society. But then, when he went on about the feelgood thing, I strongly disagree. And it kind of contradicts the coverage of the awful stuff by Wilson: education, homelessness, housing crisis, etc.

        How can anyone be living in a society knowing those awful things are going on, then focus on the feelgood of “us” and our society as a whole – while also saying many have missed out on the “wellbeing”? There’s is a major disconnect in Wilson’s analysis, that aligns himself with the feeling-good “us”, and somehow diminishes the experiences of the large numbers left out in the cold.

        • WILD KATIPO

          Its called the ‘ Bean Counters’ mentality , Carolyn_nth.

          Devoid of empathy . Measures everything in its fiscal quantity’s and nothing in its sociological impacts.

          I dont know about Wilson , but for far too long weve have had a surplus of those sorts of talking heads wreaking damage on our population. Hopefully with Key gone their insidious influence will be weakened somewhat… one can only hope.

  2. esoteric pineapples 2

    He is New Zealand’s version of Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States from 1923 to 1929.

  3. tc 3

    His legacy will be obvious once the next govt starts working through their wrecking ball approach across health, education, r&d, transport, leaky buildings etc

    The lid has been kept on areas that lack choice in employers (health and education) so the unravelling of the ‘brighter future’ will run awhile.

    • SpaceMonkey 3.1

      The tables will turn and the next Government will be able to blame National for everything for the foreseeable future… it’s that bad.

    • Tamati Tautuhi 3.2

      Could be messy when the next Government has a look at the books?

  4. john 4

    Key is and will always be a class act.
    Will not lie to the people and stay on, then quit after promising (by running an election) to be there for 3 more years. Gone at a time of HIS choosing.
    Unlike Auntie helen, who arranged a job at the UN 1 year before the election and quit with in hours of the loss an left the country to a bi election within days

    • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1

      “He bailed when it suited him”.

      A truly ringing endorsement 😆

    • Craig Glen Eden 4.2

      Oh please John Key is like the guy in the family that plays a mean guitar at family get together’s and always brings heaps of beers, yeah uncle John he is the fun guy so popular with the nieces and nephews. Only problem is all the adults know what uncle John really is like .. he is debt, owes money all over the place, his kids don’t get the basics and Aunties life is shit because she gets physically and emotionally abused and is stressed to the hilt because she struggles to put food on the table. Yup uncle John he is a real class act.

    • michelle 4.3

      John he left before we got rid of him class calls act that is tired from wrecking our country and telling pokies and he is looking old good job he deserves everything he gets that is what happens when you tell so many porkies

    • wellfedweta 4.4

      I agree with you on Key, but not on Clark. Resigning after an election loss is entirely understandable, and having a ‘plan B’ in the event of a loss is actually what most intelligent people would do.

      • framu 4.4.1

        i would be willing to bet Key has a plan B already

        im no fan – but i wouldnt call him stupid (or bereft of options)

        • wellfedweta

          He may well have, and why not? I just don’t understand why people would think that intelligent people would not have options.

        • mosa

          What do you think he has been doing for 8 years.

          All networking and no governing.

          Key- i have no plan B
          Key- i dont want to mislead the people of New Zealand.
          Key i decided to stand down and told Bill, then why not go then, answer no plan B

          The greatest Hollywood actor of our generation.

          Bullshitting still.

        • Doogs

          He’s not intelligent, just has a low animal cunning that sees him through crisis by crisis. No plan, he’s the ultimate reactive.

      • alwyn 4.4.2

        Having a plan B? But Helen kept assuring us that there was no plan B.
        You don’t mean she was lying do you?

      • Jenny Kirk 4.4.3

        How sure are you that Clark had a “B” plan ready ? I think she was as surprised at the 2008 election result as anyone else was.
        Whereas Key has known for some time he was going to quit, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he ended up with some cosy job somewhere comfortable – Hawaii, maybe ?

    • framu 4.5

      “Key is and will always be a class act.”

      all i see is an oily con man who has a pathological lying streak a mile wide

      • wellfedweta 4.5.1

        Then you have something I saw described some time ago as ‘key derangement syndrome’. It seems to fit many of the inhabitants here.

        • framu

          KDS is just a really lazy way for people with no argument to try and shut down debate – i suggest you drop it, quickly

          Try pointing out why you think otherwise.

          heres my reasoning

          exhibit 1) Keys frequent use of language that allows him to change his position on a dime

          exhibit 2) keys frequent porkies and brain fades

          its on these two points that i form my opinion and not due to some deranged functioning of my brain

          • wellfedweta

            KDS is real and evident in your post.

            Your accusations about Key are nonsense, and could be applied to any politician.

            • framu

              KDS is just a really lazy way for people with no argument to try and shut down debate

              • wellfedweta

                No, KDS is alive and well and obvious in your commentary.

                • framu

                  get an original line, make an argument

                  actually bother trying and stop using mental illness as a cheap shot

                  • wellfedweta

                    It’s not a cheap shot. It’s a very real phenomena. You’re exhibiting it in spades with you original comments, which could be applied to any politician. I saw this over and over again from the right with Helen Clark (although I have to say the loopy left has excelled itself in it’s invective on Key). It was irrational then and it’s irrational now.

                    • framu

                      you’re calling me mentally ill, thats what deranged means – its a cheap shot

                      Thats my final word on your childish laziness

                    • wellfedweta

                      “you’re calling me mentally ill, thats what deranged means – its a cheap shot”

                      No, I’m saying you have a derangement when it comes to John Key. You;re being a little sensitive.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      It was one of Stalin’s favourite tricks too. That’s another of his traits you share.

                    • wellfedweta

                      “It was one of Stalin’s favourite tricks too.”

                      Don’t be silly. Key wasn’t even born when Stalin was in power.

                    • KDS,… how very interesting, I wonder, however , if there is reference to it in modern psychiatry and if it is also included in official English language usage…

                      Somehow I doubt it.

                      What I don’t doubt is that it is a modern contemporary acronym invented by certain of the neo liberal right wing to use as a cover all smokescreen to justify shutting down criticism and thus deflection of the issues at hand…

                      Let us use another word perhaps, … that IS included in modern day English and DOES have a bonifide meaning , … and to which we can easily apply to Wellfedweta as he/she amply displays ALL the symptoms of having that condition.

                      And that word is SYCOPHANT .

                    • wellfedweta

                      “KDS,… how very interesting”

                      How very real. It is the same as we saw during Clark’s premiership (CDS), and many comments here show the same signs of irrationality.

                  • Tamati Tautuhi

                    He is using trolling 101 tactics?

    • Johan 4.6

      To John:
      Tell someone who is gullible enough to believe your BS!

  5. john 5

    I don’t think…” then you shouldn’t talk, said the Hatter.”
    ― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
    and Andrew Little

    • ropata 5.1

      Appropriate reading for narrow minded pillocks who *still* think the sun shines out of FJK’s rectum

      (despite the tsunami of damning evidence, that is about to obliterate the Gnats)

  6. David C 6

    Why do authors at The Standard use such old photos? The pic at the top of this post has to be 8+ years old.

    Maybe its the Labour way, always looking backward for an answer.

    • Carolyn_nth 6.1

      Legacies are like that – they hang around long after their use-by dates.

    • Sorrwerdna 6.2

      Labour has no answers. A National voter is not suddenly going to vote labour because JK has resigned. National is more than a one trick pony.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.2.1


        National is only a one trick pony and it fails badly at that trick.

      • Labour has no a plethora of answers. A National swing/centrist voter is not quite likely to vote Labour because JK has resigned. National is little more than a one trick pony.


      • Carolyn_nth 6.2.3

        National Party (alleged) contenders for PM – English (36 years as MP), Collins (14 years), Joyce (5 years) , Bennett (8 years)- some long term pollies in there.

        then there’s Andrew Little (6 years) – in his 2nd term…. and now there’s a very promising Michael Wood.

        • john

          “then there’s Andrew Little (6 years) – in his 2nd term…”…as a loser, 2nd term as a loser,,,and still no clue as to what to do.

        • wellfedweta

          Hilarious! Labour supporter claims Labour have rejuvenated using a new MP and a perennial election loser as examples!

          Annette King, Labour Deputy Leader. 32 years.

          Grant Robertson, Labour Finance Spokesman. 8 Years.

          David Parker. 14 Years.

          The you’ve got Trevor Mallard, 32 years, Ruth Dyson, 23 years….

          • DoublePlusGood

            I have no problem with long term MPs, as long as they are doing a good job.
            So, of those, most of them should go – but not because of length of time, but because they just aren’t doing anything useful.

            • wellfedweta

              I’m with you. National has done a far better job at rejuvenating, and they’ve had a much larger Caucus to manage.

              • Well, they’ve certainly done a better job at moving people along, I’m not sure I agree that most of their new talent is any good. The only one of substance really is Nikki Kaye. Compare with Bridges or Parmar for instance.

                • wellfedweta

                  Quality is difficult to gauge until people are given greater responsibility. My comment was direct at carolyn.

                  • I’m sorry, you’re arguing we should promote Simon Bridges because the responsibility will make him better? LOL. That’s literally the same kind of BS people are trying to sell on why Americans shouldn’t practice civil disobedience against their President-elect.

                    Someone who is out of depth in a small job doesn’t get better when given more responsibility, they only “get better” if their responsibilities are better matched to their talents. It’s pure guesswork at this stage to speculate that Bridges has other talents that might be better suited to him being in a senior role, and actually implies John Key is a bad manager for making him a minister in the wrong area.

                    Well done, you’ve caught yourself in a catch 22.

                    • wellfedweta

                      Clearly you didn’t understand my comment. I was referring to ‘new talent’ (responding to your term). Bridges has done a good job, but he is not ‘new talent’; he has been in Parliament since 2008.

                    • Ah, in terms of people who haven’t been ministers yet, that makes SOME sense. People can be surprisingly good ministers from time to time, although by and large bad MPs make bad ministers.

      • Marcus Morris 6.2.4

        Key survived on something called charisma – he charmed many of those he met, including some ardent left wing thinkers I know of (they didn’t vote for him of course). Before he came on the scene National was in the doldrums so Sorrwerdna who are you suggesting from the current National crop has similar pulling power? “Crusher” Collins, Jerry Brownlee, Paula Bennett, Sheepgate McCully, Brian Joyce. Key has endorsed Bill English but he has already had a shot and Helen and Michael wiped the floor with him.

        I will never forgive him or his party for the forty nine percent “sell off” of our vital assets (much of which is now owned by overseas interests .Do we actually own any insurance companies – you know, the big institutional players), for allowing the Auckland property market to get hopelessly out of control and refusing to consider a CGT so that, while that measure mightn’t have made a great difference at least the speculators would have contributed something to the national good. His government’s ‘hands off” position on the Auckland traffic issue was Nero-like in its arrogance and seen by many as petty political point scoring.

        Possibly the most far reaching legacy will be the amount of prime agricultural land that is now in foreign ownership (and not necessarily Asian) as a result of grossly inflated land prices – affordable when dairy returns were high but disastrous with the downturn and for those with unsustainable mortgages and the subsequent mortgagee sales.

        Every expert recommended a raising of the super qualification age – good old John knew better. I’m alright Jack but how will my children and grandchildren fare.

        And that’s just for starters.

        • ropata

          He was a total and utter banker. I can’t think of one promise that he has kept.

          Tax cuts? Not really, raised GST
          No asset sales? Yeah right
          Brain drain? Record emigration under the FJK regime (with fluctuations)
          Balance the books? Complete fail
          Help the underclass? Somehow forgotten about

        • wellfedweta

          Where to start?

          “… but he has already had a shot and Helen and Michael wiped the floor with him.”

          How did Helen’s first shot go?

          “for allowing the Auckland property market to get hopelessly out of control”

          This had virtually nothing to do with the government. It was the result of decades of poor planning by Auckland Councils.

          “while that measure mightn’t have made a great difference”

          So you admit that your own policy prescription, and one of Labour’s main policy platforms of the last election, would not have made a blind bit of difference.

          “Possibly the most far reaching legacy will be the amount of prime agricultural land that is now in foreign ownership”

          Actually, very little.

          • Marcus Morris

            I did not say that at all and you have ignored my second part of the comment.
            I said that it “mightn’t” simply because we will never know. Housing and transport in Auckland are going to dominate the political scene for some time to come.

            How much is “little” – but we can debate that for hours which I am sure we don’t intend to.

            As I recall it Helen’s “first shot” went pretty well. She certainly wasn’t replaced “mid stream” and if the king maker Peters had moved in the right direction she should have been the first PM under MMP. You don’t recall that??

            • wellfedweta

              “As I recall it Helen’s “first shot” went pretty well. ”

              Really? 1996 general election. Labour Leader = Helen Clark. Labour vote = 28%, down 6.5% from the previous election. Did you not know that?

              • Marcus Morris

                After all these years it would seem that you still do not understand MMP. 1996 saw New Zealand’s first MMP election. National received 33.87% of the party vote, down slightly on the previous FFTP election. Labour received 28.19%, down some 6% from 1993. NZF received 13.35%.
                Actual seats National 44, Labour 37, NZF 17. I stand by what I said. Many expected NZF to go with Labour and perhaps you have forgotten the interminable wait while Winston made up his mind. He certainly won a good deal for himself from Jim Bolger and I can’t recall NZF getting anywhere near that number of seats since. I suspect that many who voted for him were former Labour voters but I have no way of proving that. I suggest that you read what I actually said.

                • wellfedweta

                  After all these year it would seem you don’t understand basic maths. Clark’s first tilt at PM was a disaster, as my post demonstrated. She lost 65 of Labour’s vote at a time when the government was vulnerable.

        • Nessalt

          Just refresh my memory Marcus. what year was it that a John Key led National Government sold a minority stake in the Insurance companies the state used to own?

        • To be fair, the insurance companies aren’t Key’s fault. State Insurance was sold under Rogernomics.

          None of the big Insurance players are kiwi-owned. Most NZ insurance is through IAG New Zealand, (which comprises the brands State, AMI, Lumley, and NZI, which is just naming the big ones. It also includes smaller brands like Lantern) an Australian-owned company.

          Its big competitors are AA and Tower, both of which are at least partially owned by Australians.

          If you have insurance through your bank or through Trade Me insurance and are thinking you don’t have insurance through one of those three, you’re probably wrong. ANZ Insurance is through AA, BNZ and Co-op is through NZI, Westpac is through Lumley and Trade Me Insurance is through Tower.

          I would absolutely be in support of the government making some capital available for a state-owned insurer, budgets permitting, as there is room for an option that doesn’t send most of its profits overseas.

          • Marcus Morris

            Thanks for all that. It was precisely my point – what proportion of the sale of state-owned assets went to the kiwi “Mums and Dads”.

            • Matthew Whitehead

              There’s a sort-of argument that middle NZ (the “mums and dads” of the middle class) benefited from the sales funding the measures to stop a collapse of the NZ economy. The issue, of course, is that as always the methods used to stop that collapse were violently elitist.

        • Jenny Kirk

          + agree with you totally, Marcus Morris. You just left out the extremely depleted waterways – ones that haven’t yet been polluted by his RMA restructurings.

          • Marcus Morris

            Thanks Jenny – I did say “just for starters”. The next twelve months are going to be extremely interesting – not one of the trio listed as a likely successor has J.K’s mastery of obfuscation.

            The real issue for much of the world is the gap between rich and poor that widens by the day. It underlies the so-called Brexit result in the UK as well as Trump’s astounding victory in the US. The awful irony in each of those situations is that those who voted for them are going to be cruelly disillusioned when they discover that nothing will change for them as a result.

      • Tricledrown 6.2.5

        They will stay home.

  7. Draco T Bastard 7

    Economic prowess is the one area where Key claimed special ability.

    He wouldn’t know what an economy was if he tripped over one. He sees only the money and not the resources or the people that those resources are there to support. He sees the economy as something that’s there to make rich people richer rather than as an essential process that supports everyone at a reasonable living standard while being sustainable.

    Overall Key was great at the spin and the PR but appallingly bad at dealing with the reality.

    None of the National MPs or caucus can deal with reality as it is counter to their beliefs.

  8. wellfedweta 8

    “The Labour Party has a fully democratic system where candidates have to justify their candidacy to the party at large and talk to all sectors of the party.”

    The Labour system is actually no more democratic than National’s, perhaps less so. A significant say is given to the Union movement, who consist of members who do not all vote Labour. Andrew Little is not a democratically elected leader – he owes his position to the unions, and so is beholden to them. He received a tiny minority of votes from his own caucus, so the system is a nonsense.

    A National leader is elected by his Caucus, who are themselves elected by the people of NZ (in electorate seats) and selected by the wider Party. That is arguably more democratic.

    Finally, consider this. Within 1 week of the PM’s resignation we will most likely have a new PM. Under Labour’s system the country would have no PM for weeks, assuming the same system is deployed if in government. Please tell me they have a different system for that eventuality?

    • Carolyn_nth 8.1

      And next week we will have a new PM that no member of the public will have elected in that role.

      • john 8.1.1

        Every member of the public had a vote or chance to, at the last election. So all MP’s are in exactly the position the voters chose for them.

      • Gosman 8.1.2

        Why should the public be able to select the leader of a political party? We are a representative parliamentary democracy NOT a Presidential one. You don’t become a better democracy in our system by electing the leaders of each political parties.

        • WILD KATIPO

          So Gosman …. you are in whole hearted agreement about having coups , then ?

          Refer back to the bloodless coup of Jenny Shipley in rolling Jim Bolger.

          Jenny Shipley … assumed power on her own auspices and not of that of either the caucus or the general public.

          Well done , mate , well done.

          You’ve just helped identify the sort of viscous , anti democratic types who inhabit the rotten corpse of the neo liberal movement.

      • wellfedweta 8.1.3

        That will always be the case, whichever the system is deployed. When David Lange stood down in 1989 he was replaced by Geoffrey Palmer, who the public had not elected as PM. What would you suggest, a new general election when a PM resigns?

        • mosa

          Shipley was not elected either and did not seek a mandate until Nov 27th 1999, 24 months later.

          It would be an interesting scenario to test the water in this governments case as its so apparently popular with these 50% ratings and all the Nat MPs are convinced at their own impressive track record over the last eight years is a winning formula, why not test it at a general election with a new leader ?

          They would win wouldn’t they ?

          The only thing is they hated it when Helen Clark went early but hypocrisy does not count for much in politics.

          • wellfedweta

            I don;t have a problem with early elections. I wouldn’t have a problem with a new Nat leader testing the electorate. All I’m saying is there is no constitutional imperative for them to do so.

    • left_forward 8.2

      Boy, you Natz are working really hard to convince yourselves of this twaddle aren’t you – you guys must be really hurting.

    • Jenny Kirk 8.3

      ” Andrew Little is not a democratically elected leader – he owes his position to the unions, and so is beholden to them. ”
      This is a total nonsense, wellfedweta. Yes, the unions backed Andrew Little but so did thousands of ordinary Labour Party members. The unions don’t have the numbers these days to pull the sort of punch you’re suggesting.
      What you’re forgetting is that Andrew Little achieved his leadership on an STV vote – second choice for some people, first choice for others – all of these sufficient for him to win the Leadership. And many of us ordinary members voted for him because of his organisational and facilitation skills – the skills needed by a Leader of a diverse political party to get it sorted out.

      • wellfedweta 8.3.1

        Little only won because of the unions.

        Little received only 6.25% of the caucus votes (less than both Robertson (17.5%) and Parker (8.75%)), 10.28% of the members (less than Robertson (15.3%), but 12.82% of affiliates. Without the unions, Little would not be leader.

      • Anne 8.3.2

        wfw isn’t the only one running with the tired old ‘unions’ meme Jenny Kirk. Matthew Hooten is also pushing it big time. It’s an indication of what is coming next year. They are going to try and use the age-old union scare tactic again, but something tells me it won’t wash this time around.

  9. Gosman 9

    Will you stop with the whole rampant government debt nonsense.

    A couple of facts on that matter.

    NZ government debt as a percentage of GDP is low compared to the rest of the World. See table here

    Government Debt hasn’t increased at a significantly faster rate than what was predicted by Treasury in 2008 BEFORE National took over.

    • Sabine 9.1

      it’s just peanuts, no worries, she’ll be right,

      i’ll be dead when history comes around to judge me

      it’s only debt when the others do it.

      oh my oh my oh my

      • Gosman 9.1.1

        You are not addressing the point I made. Compared to other nations our Government debt as a percentage of GDP is low. The rise in debt was also predicted due to the fiscal situation in place BEFORE National took power in 2008. The debt is as much Helen Clarks legacy as it is John Key’s.

        • wellfedweta

          I’ve commented on the same matter elsewhere. There is either a fundamental lack of understanding of economics or alternatively willful dishonesty in comments such as Sabine’s.

          • Gosman

            How so? You have mine and Andrew’s data that shows Government debt in NZ is low by World standards so where is the evidence this is somehow a bad thing for NZ?

            Do you know that Sabine’s debt clock isn’t an actual reflection of official government debt?

        • Psycho Milt

          The rise in debt was also predicted due to the fiscal situation in place BEFORE National took power in 2008. The debt is as much Helen Clarks legacy as it is John Key’s.

          Yes. That’s one of the few things Key got right – not completely scrapping Labour’s spending programme. We’d have at least this much debt if Labour had remained in power, and likely a lot more, because their programme naturally involves more government spending than National’s. That’s not a bad thing if you’re trying to cope with a global financial crisis and resulting collapse in demand. That $90 bil reflects National taking a reasonably Keynesian approach to the crisis and it’s insane to attack them for doing that.

    • Andrew 9.2

      That wiki article has very old data. This is more up to date:

      140th out of 170 countries. At 24% of GPD we are waaayyy down the list. There is no “rampant government debt”, that argument is complete nonsense.

      • Gosman 9.2.1

        Yet that is not the story many on the left push. I presume that isn’t lying or dirty politics though because the left NEVER engages in those sorts of things /sarc.

        • Andrew

          Well it’s easy to look at the debt and go, waaaaaa 90 billion dollars!! Without actually understanding what has happened. Yes, sure, we have borrowed a lot of money, and yes our debt was low when National took office, that’s what a decade of record surpluses gives you.

          But understanding why we have this debt is the bigger picture that people seem all to happy to ignore.

          Government spending in the last 5 years of the Labour government increased by 50% in 5 years. Now, that’s all well and good if the economy is going to keep growing. But there was a small issue of the GFC which destroyed the governments income base for many years and we are still coming out of the other side of that recession. Many countries around the world are still very much in deep trouble.

          When revenue decreases you can either slash spending, or borrow to fund spending. This is what the government did, and you would be completely ignorant if you think that Labour would not have borrowed the same if not more than National has.

          • One Anonymous Bloke

            you can either slash spending, or borrow to fund spending.

            Or raise taxes, like Lab5 did. Then the sky fell on your head, Diddums.

            • Gosman

              Raising taxes during a recession has the same impact as cutting government spending, You generally cause a deeper recession

              • DoublePlusGood

                [citation needed]

                Government spending keeping the domestic economy afloat should lessen the effect of the recession.

                • Gosman

                  Ummm… you are aware higher taxes reduces spending and investment aren’t you? If all government is doing is replacing the investment and/or spending that the private sector would usually carry out the net effect of higher taxes is zero. The only real net benefit (short term) is if government borrows to fund it’s operations.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Nope. Higher taxes on the rich returns more money to the economy and thus boosts it. It’s why we had more growth under the previous high tax regimes after WWII than we’ve had since the neo-liberal reforms of the 1980s.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  I think the weasel word in Gosman’s comment is “generally”. Translation: it happens according to Gosman’s opinion.

                • Gosman

                  Where pray tell do you think Rich people keep their money Draco – Under their mattresses?

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    What’s that got to do with it?

                    Haven’t you read Piketty?

                    Returns to the rich through interest and share holding accelerate the amount of money that they withdraw from the economy resulting in poverty, recession and finally collapse of the economy and society.

                    The rich simply cannot spend their ill-gotten money fast enough to keep the economy going.

                    • Gosman

                      Ummm… where do rich people keep the money they make from interest and the like Draco? I’ll give you a clue. They keep them in financial institutions which can then lend them out again. Given YOU have a problem with the (imaginary) inflationary effects of this then you should see that taking money from the wealthy would actually have a correspondingly greater effect on reducing the money in circulation.

                    • ropata

                      You mean they put their money onto productive investments that help the economy?
                      HAHAHAAHA gimme a fucken break

                      Most of the ill gotten gains are parked in illegal tax havens.
                      Some of it goes to rigged investment vehicles run by insiders like Goldman Sachs.
                      Some of it is parked in high end property investment, causing global bubbles.
                      Some of it is wasted on superyachts and mega mansions or other obscene displays of narcissism like Trump Tower.

                      This is nothing near as productive as government spending into public services or infrastructure. It is beyond debate that the wealth effect of demand side investment is paid back many times over.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      They keep them in financial institutions which can then lend them out again.

                      Well, we know that’s BS as banks create money when they create a loan.

                      Given YOU have a problem with the (imaginary) inflationary effects of this then you should see that taking money from the wealthy would actually have a correspondingly greater effect on reducing the money in circulation.

                      And that’s BS as well.

                      Money needs to flow from creation -> work -> destruction.

                      It’s not the amount of money that’s important so much as how much it flows. And money pooling in the pockets of the rich isn’t flowing.

                      And what Ropata said.

                    • mikes


                      You really have no clue. You believe financial institutions actually lend out depositors money? If banks only ever lent out depositors money then how do you suppose new money is ever created to expand the money supply to keep up with an expanding economy?

                      Every single ‘loan’ taken out from a bank or other financial institution creates ‘new money’ (bank credit) which is added to the overall money supply. Every new bank loan has an inflationary effect. This is how money is created. Inflation is an increase in the overall money supply, nothing more nothing less. The inflation figures the public gets like the cpi, etc showing price rises are actually showing symptoms of inflation.

                      Why can right wing people like yourself simply not seem to understand this.

                    • Gosman

                      Ummm… I’m not even arguing against what you are stating you muppets. While I think you’re nuts for thinking what you do I’m actually stating that if you are right then taxing rich people has an inversely negative effect on the economy as it reduces the amount of money banks lend based on your own warped theory.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      While I think you’re nuts for thinking what you do I’m actually stating that if you are right then taxing rich people has an inversely negative effect on the economy as it reduces the amount of money banks lend based on your own warped theory.

                      What you’re doing is warping what we’re saying to try to justify maintaining rich people when it’s obvious that we can’t afford rich people at all.

    • Tricledrown 9.3

      Private and govt debt has gone through the roof under National.
      Paying for tax cuts by borrowing.
      Gooseman the right whinger.
      Don Brash doesn’t agree with your opinions yet you have claimed you are right of right.

    • adam 9.4

      I love how you talk so much doodoo Gossy. Such a funny read, I particularity love when you reach for Keynesian explanation over and again, which I see you done in this tread, had to laugh.

      Also you missed that national increased taxes, rather substantially for the poor. But no doubt you will try to create some spin on that too.

      It’s the right who don’t understand economics, and what it actually there for. It is for the betterment of people, not ideology, which you seem to think it is.

      Mind you what do expect from someone who worships Pinochet for his economics.

  10. John Key is backing his favourite, Bill English for new leader just as he backed his favourite design for new flag.

  11. ianmac 11

    As Mickysavage so clearly outlined the other day, Key was expert at giving several different answers to a question so that in retrospect, maybe one of them might be right or at least partly right. It was the reason that it was so hard to hold him to account. Slippery. Devious. What a legacy.

    • john 11.1

      and yet, the people chose him. Keep guessing as to why won’t you and just like Mr Little you will be in opposition AGAIN….POLICIES that work, knowing that the money earned is owned by the people that earned it & NOT the govt.’s to spend as it sees fit.
      Labour have yet to come up with a policy that can’t be dis proven on the back of a napkin, by a 5 year old with a pocket calculator.

      • framu 11.1.1

        yet nationals campaigning was always light on policy, VERY light on policy detail and VERY heavy on Key

        • ianmac

          So true framu. In 2014 the National policy was almost non-existent while the Key smile, smirk and meet the supporters was refined. Avoid all the non-supporters down to a fine art.

      • Tricledrown 11.1.2

        Spin was Nationals policy

      • Marcus Morris 11.1.3

        So property speculation (unearned income) is fine in your book. No doubt you will tell me that the amount concerned is “peanuts”.

    • ‘ Giving several different answers to a question ‘

      Classic American style CIA / Military techniques . Its called among other things – ‘Plausible Deniability ‘.

      And they use it to get around Congress all the time.

  12. Scottie 12

    Good post but labour needs to keep telling the voters what they will do in office and not bang on about how bad Key was. Keep showing the voters labour policies and prove that you are a credible power. This is a fantastic opportunity for the Andrew Little and the Labour Party.

    • ropata 12.1

      Misguided criticism, The Standard is not a Labour Party vehicle, Scottie. Go check the LP site and Little’s public statements.

  13. Whispering Kate 13

    I have commented in another post that he couldn’t even own the decision for himself when he resigned and had to imply there was pressure from the missus as if she could ever influence him. Bloody typical blame the poor little Stepford wife. Not for one minute do I believe it was family reasons, She chose to live in Auckland and I wonder why sometimes – how many wives would choose for themselves to live apart from their partner. John only ever does what John wants and he has something up his sleeve in the way of another job or he knows there is shit coming to hit the fan and he wants out. Selfish from the beginning and selfish to the end. Won’t miss him for a minute and he quits the day before my birthday – what a great present.

  14. Kay 14

    All the Natz apologists have been so quick to leap on the raising benefits as one of his wonderful legacies and repeat it at every opportunity. THEY DID NOT!!!! Ask anyone on jobseekers, Supported Living Payment- the unemployed and disabled and ill people of NZ who need need a benefit to survive, short or long term, didn’t get a single cent. We’d love to have any sort of increase and $25/week would be heaven. Even the sole parents who allegedly get that- very few will get the full amount.

    What reduced me to tears was John Campbell’s interview with Key yesteday evening when even he got caught up in the echo chamber and mentioned the benefit increases as one of Key’s accomplishments. I was too upset to fire off an angry email to Checkpoint.

    Please everyone- counter this “legacy” every time you hear it. Key and his cohorts are no friends to beneficiaries, they have NOT increased benefits, certainly not across the board like their PR suggests.

    • Karen 14.1

      Exactly Kay. I would love to know exactly how many on benefits actually got $25. A tiny percentage I suspect.

    • Sam C 14.2

      I’m looking forward to all those massive benefit increases under Andrew Little, Kay.

    • ianmac 14.3

      I suspect that the Campbell interview with Key yesterday was more than just the polite superficial that it seemed.
      “Why now Mr Key?” This is a question yet to be answered.

    • Rosemary McDonald 14.4

      “Please everyone- counter this “legacy” every time you hear it. Key and his cohorts are no friends to beneficiaries, they have NOT increased benefits, certainly not across the board like their PR suggests.”

      My man and I went to see “I, Daniel Blake” the other day….(now off the SLP and onto the respectable Super…big difference to us after years of breadline living.)

      Anyway…the movie…not so different to what happens here.

      I downloaded the application form the the SLP last night to send to a mate who has a mate who can no longer drive or work because of a poorly managed head injury…

      The damn thing is 52 pages long.

      It opens, on page one, with…

      “You may be able to get the Supported Living Paymenti f you are:
      • permanently and severely restricted in your ability to work because of a health
      condition, injury or disability. This means:
      – your condition will last more than two years, OR
      – your life expectancy is less than two years AND
      – you can’t regularly work 15 hours or more a week
      • totally blind
      • caring full time for someone at home who would otherwise need hospital level or
      residential care (or equivalent) who is not your husband, wife or partner.
      If you are applying because you:
      • have a health condition, injury, disability or you are totally blind; you need to be
      16 years or over
      • are providing full-time care; you need to be:
      – 18 years or over with no dependent children, or
      – 20 years or over with dependent children.
      You will need to meet your obligations and some other conditions. The information we collect on this application form will help us work out what assistance we can give you.”

      and concludes page 1 of 52..

      “You must give us all the information we need.
      If you do not have all the information we need,talk with us and we may be able to help.
      If we find out later that any information you give us is not true, or that you knew information you should have told us and did not tell us,we may stop paying your benefit.You might need to pay money back,we may impose a penalty, and you could be prosecuted.”

      Now, friend of a friend has a head injury…about this point how’s he going to be feeling? Eh?

      How’s that brighter future there John Key?

      • Ethica 14.4.1

        Under Key (and lackey Pullya) the benefit system has become much harder to access and much more punitive. The desperation and heartlessness displayed in the movie by I, Daniel Blake, reflects much of the NZ system.

    • mosa 14.5

      Your dead right Kay well put.

  15. Bob 15

    “The Labour Party has a fully democratic system where candidates have to justify their candidacy to the party at large and talk to all sectors of the party”

    Mickeysavage, why do you keep peddling this when it is clearly false!
    In what world does a “fully democratic system” involve one sector of society (lets call them Union Delegates) get to decide the results of a vote like they did with Andrew Little?

    If you look at the last “fully democratic” leadership vote, the Union Delegates overwhelmingly voted Andrew Little as their first choice, and Grant Robertson as their last choice. This means that even though Grant Robertson was the first choice of the Caucus and the Membership (with Little actually receiving the least votes in the caucus for round one voting), and even by round 3 votes when Grant Robertson had 56.25% of the caucus vote, and 55.23% of the membership vote, he still lost.

    This compares to Nationals process, local members vote on the local representative. At the election the general public votes on whether the candidate is the best person for the region. If there is a change of leadership, all representatives that have made it through the first two criteria get to vote for the person they feel is the best to lead them. All three stages are a one person one vote scenario.

    Now, which of these is more democratic to you?

    • ropata 15.1

      No system is perfectly democratic, but National’s is akin to the USA electoral college that spews up some pretty awful results from time to time.

    • Draco T Bastard 15.2

      All three stages are a one person one vote scenario.

      And yet the third stage excludes the membership and is thus anti-democratic.

      National’s process is all about removing the power from the members.

  16. Bob 16

    Mickeysavage, again “Key claiming that the country was not well placed to deal with the Global Financial Crisis is utter bunk. The accounts were in sound shape back in 2008”

    Rubbish, from treasury forecasts 2008 (bold mine):

    A sustained period of operating deficits
    is forecast…
    The operating balance is forecast to be in
    deficit over the forecast period. The
    deficits peak in the June 2009 year at
    $4.3 billion, primarily owing to losses on
    financial instruments resulting from the
    recent financial market turmoil.
    Beyond the June 2009 year the operating
    balance recovers slightly as the rate of
    return on financial instruments is assumed
    to return to long-term benchmark rates
    from 31 October 2008 and as a result
    income increases.
    The OBEGAL, which represents the
    operating balances before gains and
    losses, is also expected to remain in a
    deficit position over the forecast period,
    peaking at around $6.3 billion in the June
    2013 year</b

    This means that even before the GFC had completely kicked in (it had just begun) Labour had overspent leaving us in a hole that was forecast to grow every year for the duration of the forecast, how is this "sound shape"?

    • ropata 16.1

      lolz nice cherry pick. try looking at the net debt position, not the projected operating balance in the middle of the GFC

      • Bob 16.1.1

        Here is Mickeysavage’s full quote: “The accounts were in sound shape back in 2008. Running up debt may give the illusion of wealth but it will have to be paid back.”
        So yes, I am looking at the debt position because that is what Mickey blames on National.

        Plus, in 2008 the GFC was just beginning, the full depth wasn’t felt until at least 2009, so these forecasts were optimistic.

        Edit: Here is the Net Debt position you asked for also: “Core Crown net debt is also expected to
        rise to $44.7 billion or 20.7% of GDP by
        June 2013”
        How does that help your position?

        • ropata

          Even Bill English acknowledged that Clark and Cullen did a good job of paying down the national debt, and prepared for the “rainy day” of the GFC.

          In contrast, National offered “bait and switch” tax cuts and asset sales. Clueless.

          • Gosman

            Ummm… the fiscal position now is better than that predicted in 2008 by Treasury. So therefore the National led government policies have made things better not worse.

            • ropata

              “made things better” for whom?

            • Draco T Bastard

              So, Treasury predicted that debt would rise to 20.7% of GDP and National have actually raised it to 24.6% of GDP and you think that’s a better position?

              And there’s no way to really say that Labour would have made it worse. After all, they wouldn’t have lowered taxes the way that National did and so government income would have remained higher than under National. And with the higher spending from government that labour would also have done it’s likely that we would be in a better position now.

              • NZJester

                The other thing that would have kept government income higher under a Labour government as well would have been money from the SOEs that National sold off.
                The money that would have been earned from those shares by now if they had stayed in the state coffers is already more than what they sold them for.

              • Gosman

                What was the net effect of the tax changes introduced by National in their first term Draco?

            • Tamati Tautuhi

              Please provide evidence?

    • Rubbish, from treasury forecasts 2008 (bold mine):

      It’s OK, John Key told us just the other day that Treasury are useless at forecasting and you shouldn’t take those numbers seriously. So those 2008 projections are worthless.

    • mickysavage 16.3

      You are joking? Treasury’s comment was a forecast on the future and the actual predicted effect the GFC would have on New Zealand’s books. Your comment only makes sense if Clark and Cullen caused the GFC.

      • Gosman 16.3.1

        Incorrect. Treasury couldn’t forecast how long the GFC would last. Indeed the worst effects of the GFC on NZ had largely dissappated by 2011. We had a dairy boom till quite recently. The Treasury forecasts were based (as their long term ones were) on structural factors in the economy. The debt was mainly due to that not the GFC.

  17. Skinny 17

    Key will be remembered for widening the inequality gap by lining the pockets of the rich and inflicting hardship on the poor, homelessness and corporate welfarism.

    • David C 17.1

      Funny way of looking at it.

      I will remember Key for looking after the country well, keeping the economy ticking over well and have the heads of four Labour leaders stuffed and mounted above his fireplace.

      • framu 17.1.1

        thats the thing about opinions 🙂
        (i think we all know how the rest of that saying goes)

      • ropata 17.1.2

        You mean, deceiving the country well, and sullying NZ political debate with smear tactics and media manipulation, avoiding serious questions and confusing politics with a game of rugby. You sucker, now a generation of Kiwis will pay the price for repeatedly electing an irresponsible fuckwit to office. We don’t really know the true state of the government books but I guarantee that this government of knaves has indulged in some rather creative accounting.

    • Gosman 17.2

      What was the gap at the start of his time as Prime Minister and what is it now?

      • Johan 17.2.1

        Its a pity that John Key will always be best known as a serial ponytail pulling pervert.

        • Sam C

          only by bitter and twisted people like you.

        • mikes

          I reckon. Jeez i saw a video clip for the first time last night of him talking to a little girl about her ponytail……creeeepy!

          As for me, twisted? Yea pretty much, especially Friday nights. Bitter? Not so much.

  18. save nz 18

    Great sum up to his legacy MICKYSAVAGE!

    Key is going to become a Tony Blair like character in history. “Popular” until he leaves and then the fucked up train wreck behind him is discovered.

    Each year another disclosure of what was sold in the NZ name and what price everyone else has to pay, for it.

    • Tamati Tautuhi 18.1

      $24.6 Billion of State Owned Assets sold under Labour and National, it would be interesting to know what those assets are worth now and what sort of revenue streams they are generating?

  19. Pat 19

    what odds an election in the new year?

  20. BM 20

    What did Labour spend on infrastructure last time they were in?

  21. BM 21

    I think this is the legacy that John Key will be remembered for and thanked for in years to come.
    Well worth a read.

    • ropata 21.1

      How come all the new govt departments are called “National” this and that? 😉

      But yeah can’t deny that the Gnats largely followed a Keynesian spending approach, as Ad perceptively outlined a couple of days ago (can’t find the particular comments).

      It really annoyed the far right radicals like Hooten and Kiwiblog alt-right nutjobs, who just want to slash and burn.

      • BM 21.1.1

        They’re no different than the hard left loonys, you don’t take any notice of them.

        That’s another legacy of Key, first PM to straddle the center and demonstrate that a political party can appeal to both sides successfully , hopefully future PMs can learn from Key and carry on that sort of approach.

        • Johan

          What rubbish, John Key may have been popular with the masses because of his clownish behaviour and the fact that many people achieved a inflated property portfolio.

        • NZJester

          John Key was only center-right of the right wing, not center of the political spectrum.
          A lot of the true centrists in the National party got hatchet jobs done on them by Whaleoil and his mates using their dirty politics methods.

  22. Guerilla Surgeon 22

    Is that that smug bastard Matthew Hooton on the left? Christ he looks like the ‘fat owl of the remove’. 🙂

    • ropata 22.1

      it’s David Farrar of Kiwiblog infamy

      • David C 22.1.1

        Yip its DPF but its nothing like he looks now.

        JK with two of NZs best read bloggers.

        • ropata

          Not sure if “read” is the correct word for inciting mob behaviour and ignorance.

          Hooten and Ede should be in this picture. And a bloodthirsty Judith Collins creeping up behind Key. All the dirty politics crew in one place.

          • David C

            Kiwiblog is easily NZs best run political blog.

            Informative and run almost without moderation quite unlike here or Whale Oil where you can get banned for speaking out against editorial bias.

            • KJT

              Where the looney tunes get to run unfettered.
              As can be seen by the Kiwiblog tragics who pop up here.

              • David C

                LOL yeah but a quarter million more nutters* run about KiwiBlog per month than run around here.

                *non unique visits.

            • Guerilla Surgeon

              Shit, you can get booted from whale oil for saying something like “Well actually the science shows that…..”. I know because it’s happened to me twice.

              • David C

                I have a lifetime ban.

                • Guerilla Surgeon

                  What is this, my dicks bigger than yours? 🙂 I’m sure I could get a lifetime ban if I could be fucked to going back there which I can’t.

                  • David C

                    Hey I didnt need to do much to get it. I just made a comment that the OTT moderation and banning of people was inhibiting conversation.

                    Man did they get the last laugh 🙂

                    • Guerilla Surgeon

                      I must say, they are distinctly twitchy over at whale oil. Chris Trotter is moderated but tends to rule with a light hand. In fact some of his posters get a damn sight more upset than he does. But then there are a number of right wing nutters who come and go over there. Still, it’s nice not to have an echo chamber right?

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for that. You won’t like it but…

  23. Ad 23

    I can’t think of too many things that have happened to our society or economy that wouldn’t have happened if PM Key didn’t exist.

    The earthquakes and their recovery would have happened.

    The Treaty settlements would have happened.

    The TPP would have died irrespective.

    Under a National government, inequality would have happened just the same without him.

    The economy would have grown no matter what, as would the housing boom.

    Pike River would still be a disaster, and Health and Safety would still have been reformed without him.

    Dairy would still have boomed and busted, and tourism would still have skyrocketed.

    Motorways and rail would have been improved, no matter who was running the joint. Even Auckland’s City Rail Link would have still happened without Key.

    A simple measure at any job is: what difference would you make if you weren’t there?

    In terms of actual delivery, Prime Minister John Key may as well not have been there.

  24. ianmac 24

    Wow! This sums it up for me. Well worth a visit – publishing?
    Great work Toby Morris on The Wireless:
    “Farewell to the Everyman Prime Minister.
    …..And he was like that as a politician too. A shapeshifter who’d appear as whatever the public needed him to be on any given day. He was adaptable, unflappable. Fluid even……”

  25. mosa 25

    We are all talking about Keys legacy but PMs come and go, but the real legacy of the last eight years in particular is how our media have performed.

    Once a great fourth estate has been hi jacked by corporate interests that Key has always been more than comfortable with and i dont see that changing under the next despot or eventual change of government.

    Total right wing bias is the real legacy that does not resign or face general elections or up to now democratic principles or accountability.

  26. Tamati Tautuhi 27

    Most popular PM ever rivalling Seddon and Mickey Savage?

    Saved NZ from the GFC and turned NZ into a Rock Star Economy?

  27. Arthur 28

    Every layby a toilet.

  28. Tanz 29

    Most of all, he assuredly wrecked the Auckland housing market for young Kiwis.
    We now have a situation of many houses standing empty, of investors owing a whole raft of Auckland homes whilst people sleep on the streets and gen rent will rent forever. It made sitting home owners rich, but oh, at what cost. You may own your home, but will your grandchildren or even children. Key does not care, it will never affect his kids.
    Also, I can’t believe the flag failure is his biggest regret. It’s a piece of material, ffs. What about the hoardes of poor kids he never helped. Deep thinker, not.

    • ropata 29.1

      Nothing was more important to Key than his inflated ego, the underclass were just an accessory to his 2008 election campaign, quickly tossed aside.

      Being a shallow populist, Key never developed a political philosophy other than whatever was convenient and looked cool so he could attach himself to it.

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    I've got one source saying more Labour MPs than expected are mulling whether to vote for the deal - including names who were not on the letter to Juncker and Tusk— Emilio Casalicchio (@e_casalicchio) 17 October 2019 I've compiled a list of possible reasons why Labour ...
    2 days ago
  • Why do we need control orders again?
    On Wednesday, the government was loudly telling us that it needed to legislate to allow it to impose "control orders" - effectively a parole regime, but imposed without charge, prosecution, conviction or real evidence - on suspected terrorists because they couldn't be prosecuted for their supposed crimes. Today, it turns ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Bullshitting the Minister
    On Monday, the Hit and Run inquiry heard from NZDF's former director of special operations, who claimed that the defence Minister knew everything about the Operation Burnham raid. Today, the inquiry heard from that (former) Minister - and it turns out that he didn't know nearly as much as NZDF ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Speaker: Extinction Rebellion is not a cult (but ecstasy for the people)
    Yoga gurus and cult leaders – I’ve seen a few. Two weeks ago, I unknowingly joined an alleged new-age cult at the Kāpiti coast, together with a giant kraken and some neatly dressed pensioners who would make any book club proud.They were among the two hundred people of all ages ...
    2 days ago
  • We need to bring the police under control
    The last decade has seen a trend of increasing weapons availability to police. Assault rifles. Tasers on every hip. Guns in cars. And following the march 15 massacre, pistols on every hip, all over the country. At the same time, its also seen an increase in the abuse of force: ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • If you can’t measure it, does it exist?
    In the last couple of weeks, I’ve been busy preparing for our summer paper on Science Communication. Looking for something amusing about ‘risk’ in science, I came across this neat cartoon about why so many people come knocking on my door (or phoning me, or emailing me) desperately wanting ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 days ago
  • Swinson’s swithering
    Jo Swinson is doing even worse at this Being Sensible lark that I'd thought.  I've just become aware of the following utterance
    .@KayBurley presses Lib Dem leader @joswinson on whether she would agree to a #Brexit deal 'no matter how bad a deal it is' as long as it had ...
    3 days ago
  • Women’s rights, trans ideology and Gramsci’s morbid symptoms
    by John Edmundson The International Socialist Organisation (ISO) have recently reposted a February article, by Romany Tasker-Poland, explaining ISO’s position in the “trans rights” debate.  It is available on their website and on their Facebook Page.  The article sets out to explain why “socialists support trans rights”.  It reads more ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • We need to take guns off police
    Today's IPCA report of police criminality: a police officer unalwfully tasered a fleeing suspect who posed no threat to anyone:The police watchdog has found an officer unlawfully tasered an Auckland man who broke his ankle jumping off a balcony to escape arrest. [...] To avoid arrest, the man jumped over ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • “Bringing kindness back”
    "Auckland City Mission: 10% of Kiwis experiencing food insecurity", RNZ, 16 October 2019:About half a million people are experiencing food insecurity, according to new research from the Auckland City Mission. Food insecurity, or food poverty, is defined as not having enough appropriate food. The City Mission said over the last ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Press Release: “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance b...
    Media Statement for Immediate Release 16th October 2019 “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers Despite comments from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers—Herald Newspaper Tuesday Oct 15th–there is very little evidence ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    3 days ago
  • Ever-So-Slightly Bonkers: Simon Bridges Plays To His Base.
    Would You Buy A Used Propaganda Video From This Man? Bridges and the National Party’s strategists have discovered that the ideas and attitudes considered acceptable by today’s editors and journalists are no longer enforceable. The rise and rise of the Internet and the social media platforms it spawned means that ...
    3 days ago
  • Asking for food
    There is plenty of evidence of the way the business mentality has permeated every level of society since the recrudescence of market liberalism 35 years ago. You only need to think of how citizens in need of help from their government, their state, their country, are now routinely described as ...
    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    3 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
    John MacCormick Over the last 40 years, New Zealanders – and people in other countries – have experienced big changes in the jobs they do and where they live and work. These changes include: a decline in manufacturing jobs an increase in jobs in ‘information-intensive’ industries (which are better paid ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    3 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
    Nick Wilson, Leah Grout, Mereana Wilson, Anja Mizdrak, Phil Shoemack, Michael Baker Protecting waterways has the benefits of: (1) protecting water from hazardous microbes; (2) minimising cancer risk and other problems from nitrates in water; (3) avoiding algal blooms that are hazardous to health; (4) protecting mahinga kai uses (cultural ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    3 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In a press release today Massey University announced it has decided to rebrand and reorientate after struggling to be a University for grown-ups. For some time the University has wanted to be a safe play space for wee-woke-misogynists who have been really badly triggered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
    After a brief dalliance with 'hard Revoke' it looks like the Lib Dems are changing ground on on Brexit, with leader Jo Swinson reverting to calling for a second referendum on Johnson's deal.The party has tabled an amendment to the Queen’s speech requesting that any deal brought back from Brussels ...
    4 days ago
  • An odious bill
    The government has decided that someone has done Something Bad. But despite their belief, there seems to be no evidence that they have actually broken the law. So the government's solution is to pass a retrospective law allowing them to be punished anyway, on a lower standard of proof. If ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
    So, Judith Collins has done a Facebook rant about climate change, peddling the same shit National has been shovelling for the past twenty years: the impacts are overstated, there's no need to do anything about it, and its too hard anyway (oh, and its so unfair that people who peddle ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to There is a lot of discussion on the benefits of ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    4 days ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
    I came across this song quite by accident. If it isn't one of Greta Thunberg's favourites - it should be.Video courtesy of YouTube.This post is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    4 days ago
  • Passing the buck
    Last month, NZDF's shoddy coverup of what it knew about civilian casualties in Operation Burnham began to fall apart, with the revelation that a report on the matter, which NZDF claimed not to have, had been sitting in an NZDF safe for the past nine years. Yesterday, the man responsible ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
    While many imagine that countries like the USA and Europe dominate space activities, in fact India is now a major player on this stage. It launches satellites for its own purposes and also commercially, and has constellations orbiting our planet and returning data of vital importance to that nation in ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    5 days ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
    Thanks to a report from the Acting Inspector General of Intelligence and Security following a complaint by Nicky Hager, we have come to find out that the SIS illegally spied on Mr. Hager on behalf of the NZDF after publication of Hager’s 2011 book, Other People’s Wars. The NZDF justified ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
    COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate. FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, ...
    An average kiwiBy
    5 days ago
  • A climate of tyranny
    For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Collins crushes climate
    An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    5 days ago
  • More disappointment
    When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
    A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
    5 days ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
    The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
    5 days ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    1 week ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    1 week ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    1 week ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
    Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
    The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
    The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
    1 week ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
    Today, October 10, is the world day against the death penalty. Out of 195 UN member states, 84 still permit capital punishment. Today is the day we work to change that. This year's theme is children. Having a parent sentenced to death or executed causes long-term trauma and stigmatization which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
    Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives.  So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
    by Don Franks  The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Forbidden Thoughts
    by The Council of Disobedient Women   Massey Wellington Student Association had a sit-in today. Imagine a sit-in. On a campus. Against a women’s rights meeting. Did the ’60s really happen or did we fucking dream it? They gathered in the student square, an echo chamber. Sitting on soft pillows ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Much love to my loyal Ukrainian readership
    For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention.  Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
    1 week ago
  • Another day of bonkers GNUmours (again, sorry)
    First, almost a score of Labour MPs seem to have sent a letter to the EU basically begging them to accept a deal - any deal - just so Britain can get the Heck on with Brexiting instead of being trapped in limbo:
    To avoid no deal, deliver on the ...
    1 week ago
  • Labour vs working class immigrants – again!
    by Phil Duncan In 2016 the National-led government suspended the Parent Visa Category, through which migrants were able to bring their parents into New Zealand.  Since then over 5,700 people have been in immigration limbo, stuck on the visa wait list. Labour is now bringing back the scheme.  Well, sort ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women press statement: on Massey University and Feminism 2020
    The following was released yesterday (Tues, October 8) by the women’s liberation organisation Speak Up for Women. On 23 September Speak Up For Women announced that we would be holding an event at the Massey University Theaterette in Wellington. The event is called Feminism 2020. The intention of the event ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Farmers support dirty rivers
    The government is currently consulting on plans to improve freshwater quality. So naturally, farmers oppose it:South Taranaki farmers are preparing to fight proposed national freshwater changes that some fear will bankrupt them. The Government's proposed National Environment Standard on Freshwater Management, released in September, rated the Waingongoro River as one ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No-one cares about local government
    Yesterday was the last day for (reliably) posting your vote away in local body elections. Turnouts are mostly much lower than the equivalent time last year (Palmerston North is down 2.3%), and so naturally people are pushing their online-voting snake oil again. Because the online census worked so well, lets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The political ghosts of eugenics may matter more than the genetic
    This essay, on the political legacy of the eugenics movement, by Kenan Malik was originally published in the Observer on 6 October 2019, under the headline ‘The spirit of eugenics is still with us, as immigrants know to their cost’. Birth control. Intelligence tests. Town planning. Immigration controls. It’s striking how ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • “Surplus” again
    Another year, and the government has announced another enormous government "surplus". And just like last year, its nothing of the sort. When we have people homeless and sick and hungry, when we have schools and hospitals still falling down, when we have underpaid public servants and infrastucture unmaintained or unbuilt, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Inside the Downing Street bunker
    James Forsyth at The Spectator (I know, I know) has tapped one of his contacts inside Number Ten for an insight into the Johnson administration's thinking and strategy.It is fascinating, unsettling and quite, quite mad.  Some key points:Negotiations have stalled and the Johnson administration are keen to blame the EU: ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Taking Control Of The Nation’s Story.
    Fatal Contact: With the arrival of captain James Cook in October 1769, the islands of what would become New Zealand ceased to be the preserve of Polynesian navigators and settlers and became a part of both the world’s map and the world’s history.THE MAORI NATIONALIST assault upon the historical meaning ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Are GNUs extinct?
    Another round of tactical talks about forming a Government of National Unity have come to nothing with the Liberal Democrats still refusing countenance putting Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street:Opposition talks on Monday made little headway over when to try and vote down Boris Johnson's government and who might succeed him as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour chickens out again
    When the government was elected, it promised to lead the way on electric vehicles, and specifically to make the government vehicle fleet emissions-free where-practicable by 2025.They lied:There are 15,473 vehicles in the government fleet and only 78 are electric. When the coalition Government came into power in late 2017, the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Transgender extremism, violence at work against feminist meeting at British Labour Party conference
    by Nick Rogers The debate around the meaning of sex and gender made an appearance at this year’s British Labour Party conference in Brighton. Women’s Place UK – an organisation that questions the demand that biological males who self-identify as woman should have access to women’s spaces, to all-women shortlists, ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Rebelling in Wellington
    Yesterday I went down to Wellington to participate in the Extinction Rebellion protest. Its part of the latest global wave of XR actions, with actions happening all over the world. Some of those protests are massively disruptive: in Canada, XR is blocking major bridges, stopping people from getting to work. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
    2 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    2 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
    2 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
    2 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    2 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    2 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    2 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
    3 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    3 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
    3 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
    3 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
    3 days ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
    3 days ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
    3 days ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
    4 days ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
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