Daily review 05/10/2023

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1. Dennis Frank 1

   5 October 2023 at 5:42 pm

   Nats: (gulp!)

   National is looking increasingly desperate, panicking and unable to answer very simple questions about their own policy.

   Amelia Wade is a Newshub senior political reporter.

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-amelia-wade-analysis-national-looks-increasingly-desperate-panicky-with-conspiratorial-press-release.html

   If a perceptive woman sees this phenomenon, guess how many others will!
   • weka 1.1

     5 October 2023 at 9:03 pm

     yes. Some of us even write posts about it.

     https://thestandard.org.nz/why-cant-national-answer-straight-forward-questions-about-the-council-of-trade-unions-critique-of-their-tax-policy/
2. Dennis Frank 2

   5 October 2023 at 5:48 pm

   Follow the smart money. The dog Winston will soon be wagging already got a whiff…

   CEO Peter Beck said in New Zealand that industry is worth $1.7 billion and employs 12,000 people. Worldwide, the industry is forecast to reach over $1 trillion by 2030. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/luxon-aims-for-the-stars

   He and Luxon are apparently old friends, having first met back when the two of them shared the skies: as Air New Zealand CEO, Luxon had to organise with Beck over when rocket tests could go off so as not to disrupt flights going from Auckland to Argentina. But although he’s creating a new Minister for Space who can answer to industry on regulatory issues, New Zealand has had its own governmental space agency since 2016.

   The New Zealand Space Agency leads space policy, regulation and sector development from within the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.

   Yeah but that's inner space. Mooney will be minister apparently but not due to his surname.
3. Anne 3

   5 October 2023 at 6:19 pm

   It's okay folks. National/Luxon have just issued a statement read out on TV1 explaining the reason why the old National voting pakeha went to see the young Te Pati Maori candidate. It was all a misunderstanding you see. He (the old pakeha) said he'd been invited to go into the house and he only wanted to wish her well.
   • Dennis Frank 3.1

     5 October 2023 at 6:24 pm

     Yeah I saw the interview with the old duffer, Anne, must've been on 3 if you didn't. Clearly a total misunderstanding. Said he went to wish her well because he thinks she ought to be in parliament, got invited in by a male he named so must have known them (she was in bed asleep so he left a message for her with that guy & departed). Was quite relaxed & bemused by what happened thereafter…
     • observer 3.1.1

       5 October 2023 at 6:36 pm

       That's how it was presented, but in fact it was a classic case of underlying assumptions framing the report. The guy was referred to as "Gunny", as if he were the reporter's old friend at the bowls club. It wasn't a reporter conducting an investigative interview, it was a defence lawyer speaking for her client.
4. Dennis Frank 4

   5 October 2023 at 6:19 pm

   Just down the road from Wanganui, where I lived during my college years. Maybe a dozen houses:

   “I married a farmer and next minute I was living in Turakina,” she says.

   https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/04-10-2023/suze-redmayne-once-voted-green-now-she-wants-to-keep-rangitikei-blue

   Suze Redmayne is fast-talking and oozing enthusiasm, which could be because she has one of the easiest tickets to parliament out of anyone in the country. The first-time candidate is running for the National Party in the blue-blooded seat of Rangitīkei. She’s very likely to win it… “I want to go hard,” she tells me, leaning over the table in a Taihape pub… “My siblings will attest that I used to force them into robust political debates around the dining room table, and I did politics at uni,” she says.

   She’s friends with Labour’s Soraya Peke-Mason, the candidate for Te Tai Hauāuru – the sweeping Māori electorate that crosses over with Rangitīkei – and would be happy to work alongside her in parliament. “I’ve got great relationships with Ngāti Apa [local iwi] and Rātana [church],” she adds, saying she feels “more affiliated” with te ao Māori than her English heritage. “I love it, I think it’s something to celebrate. Our kids went to a primary school where 70% of the kids were from Rātana,” Redmayne says. Despite that sense of community, Redmayne stands by National’s position on co-governance (strongly against), saying she agrees with “equal rights and equal citizenship”. She claims that a lot of Māori support this view too. “They just want us to move on,” she says.

   she remembers voting for “a guy called Antony Deaker” but can’t recall who he was representing at the time (at one point, Deaker ran for the McGillicuddy Serious party)… while at university, she voted for the Greens. “I was quite a socialist,” says Redmayne. “I love that quote: ‘If you’re not a socialist in your 20s, you haven’t got a heart – and if you’re not a conservative in your 40s, you haven’t got a head’.” The Green Party of today has “lost its way”, she says.

   Sounds like that endangered species: an intelligent Nat.
5. Drowsy M. Kram 5

   5 October 2023 at 6:33 pm

   Don't take it [change] for granted. – Willis [5 October 2023]
   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499496/deputies-debate-labour-s-carmel-sepuloni-and-national-s-nicola-willis

   We can absolutely take it for granted NAct would get unearned income back on track.

   Party Vote Green https://www.greens.org.nz/ending_poverty_together

   IRD report reveals ‘fundamental unfairness’ of how the wealthy are taxed
   [27 April 2023]
   A wealth gap reality check
   Nearly everyone was expecting Wednesday’s taxation report to produce some striking headlines. Few would have guessed its findings would be quite so stunning.

   Luxon unsure if he'll lower rents on homes he owns despite policy promise
   [10 Sept 2023]
   Christopher Luxon is unsure whether he will lower the rents on his own investment properties if National's housing policy is enacted despite saying the plans would put a "downward pressure on rents" if the party is elected.

   The Side Eye’s Two New Zealands: The Table
   • Bearded Git 5.1

     5 October 2023 at 6:45 pm

     Willis just admitted that only 3,000 families would get the $250 a fortnight ($125 a week) as part of that Checkpoint discussion with Carmel Sepuloni. But Willis kept saying in that discussion that people on the median wage will be the chief beneficiaries of its tax cuts which is BS.

     For instance just before 6 oclock on Checkpoint a text said (paraphrasing) “we are a family with a joint income of $115,000 and have 2 children yet according to the National Party tax calculator we will get $40 a fortnight”.

     This is $20 a week-block of cheese territory.

     As part of the Sepuloni/Willis tax debate Lisa Owen told Willis that national was taking $2 Billion off beneficiaries (compared with Labour policy) to give to better off middle class people as tax cuts. Excellent, and true.

     It is worth a listen, at least it is when they are not talking over each other.

     https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/202310
     • aj 5.1.1

       5 October 2023 at 7:39 pm

       It is worth a listen, at least it is when they are not talking over each other.

       I can't see that, in the link? I'm probably going blind. What time was it . . .
       • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1.1.1

         5 October 2023 at 7:43 pm

         My link failed too (It’s back!). Try this one.

         https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499496/deputies-debate-labour-s-carmel-sepuloni-and-national-s-nicola-willis
     • gsays 5.1.2

       5 October 2023 at 8:08 pm

       The Nats do appear to have been caught in a fib on this.

       There is all this focus on the folk who will get the $125.

       The conversation may be better focussed on what the likes of, say, the MP's and their ilk will receive.

       (Not saying it's yr job or anything BG)
     • Cricklewood 5.1.3

       5 October 2023 at 9:42 pm

       That $40 per fortnight is bang on what the calculator gave me… its such bullshit.
       • Bearded Git 5.1.3.1

         5 October 2023 at 9:47 pm

         Exactly Crick….Labour should have been on to this earlier
6. Reality 6

   5 October 2023 at 6:58 pm

   Regarding those who begrudge the Māori language being used more prominently to identify the original culture of New Zealand – at Sydney international airport today the very large screen with all the departure and arrival times and which airline check in counter to go to, each New Zealand city was listed in both English and Maori. The pilot also spoke to the passengers in both English and Māori. The sky didn't fall in and I felt proud and delighted with Sydney International Airport's courtesy.

   In Wellington we all talk about Te Papa, not Museum of New Zealand and no one is bothered. Takina is the new convention centre – again no one seems bothered.
   • joe90 6.1

     5 October 2023 at 7:21 pm

     Thickwhitebread begrudges anything Māori.

     A Dunedin principal suspects an overnight paint job over her school’s mural of a Māori Jesus was a racist attack.

     St Joseph's Cathedral School principal Jo Stanley was shocked when she arrived at school yesterday morning to find the new mural had been fully covered in white paint.

     https://archive.ph/hwJYM (ODT)
     • Mac1 6.1.1

       5 October 2023 at 10:49 pm

       There is a beautiful Maori Jesus in a window of a church in Rotorua. In looking for a picture of it. I came across this description of a poem by James K Baxter.

       " In Baxter’s poem, the Maori Jesus is killed because he is different and has the courage to state his ideas. Baxter warns that when we ostracize people who are different or eliminate them we destroy our own humanity."

       Both poem and picture here. https://maryloudriedger2.wordpress.com/2014/03/09/a-maori-jesus-two-different-versions-for-lent/

       Baxter's Māori Jesus is also memorialised on the Wellington water front near Te Papa.

       How different from the racist vandalism in Dunedin. We can, and do, do better!
       • Mac1 6.1.1.1

         5 October 2023 at 11:08 pm

         Full Baxter poem here.

         http://www.tallpoppiesdrama.co.nz/ckfinder/userfiles/files/The%20Maori%20Jesus%20-%20Baxter.pdf
7. Dennis Frank 7

   5 October 2023 at 7:48 pm

   Jack Tame's running this debate well but the 4 dudes are giving out more heat than light. I hope we get some decent media analysis out of it tomorrow…
   • Kat 7.1

     5 October 2023 at 7:55 pm

     "I hope we get some decent media analysis out of it tomorrow…….."

     You certainly are a hopeful chap Dennis, expecting decent media analysis of anything political at the moment is more than half glass full….its glass overflowing……..
     • Rosielee 7.1.1

       5 October 2023 at 7:58 pm

       More like a cup of cold sick.
     • Ngungukai 7.1.2

       5 October 2023 at 8:25 pm

       Will be interesting reading the Press analysis of the debate tomorrow, sounds as if Seymour got the rough end of the pineapple.
   • aj 7.2

     5 October 2023 at 7:56 pm

     I thought Seymour was going to burst into tears when Shaw burnt him, calling the people that could tolerate him were the heros

     
     • Roy Cartland 7.2.1

       5 October 2023 at 7:58 pm

       "remember when I asked for your opinion, David? Neither do I!"

       Zing!
     • SapphireGem 7.2.2

       5 October 2023 at 8:11 pm

       

       I liked the way James Shaw spoke so clearly about why ACT's policy of raising the superannuation age is unfair on the poorest people in society. He's skillful at shooting Seymour down
8. gsays 8

   5 October 2023 at 8:17 pm

   I'm gonna break one of my one rules here… I've had more than 2 home brews.

   (You would too if you enjoy a big fruity unfiltered, unpasteurised hazy IPA. 5 diesel miles embedded in it…)

   It is a fraught, tense election period. I want to express my gratitude to y'all for the toning back of the cooker, nutbar, othering references.

   Cheers.
   • Patricia Bremner 8.1

     6 October 2023 at 6:58 am

     Cheers gsays. My Dad used to make home brew. That comment took me years back. Sometimes you comments and queries make us step back a bit and think more.

     We on the left have our hearts in the right place and know how to be present for the small moments of joy,
9. Ngungukai 9

   5 October 2023 at 8:23 pm

   I think Seymour will be in tears come Election Night.
   • Roy Cartland 9.1

     5 October 2023 at 8:45 pm

     Did anyone else think he sounded close to tears in his final speech? Almost felt sorry for him.
     • Incognito 9.1.1

       5 October 2023 at 9:12 pm

       Was it an ACT?
10. Reality 10

    5 October 2023 at 9:04 pm

    James Shaw excelled tonight. Put David Seymour back in his box very cleverly. Winston Peters looked as if it was past his bedtime.
    • Roy Cartland 10.1

      5 October 2023 at 9:19 pm

      I agree. Rawiri and James did well, even the 'expert' panel agreed.

      I usually like to watch Winston just for the huff and puff, but tonight he was just … boring. Sad really.

      Seymour was a bit flat too, he might have gained one or two stragglers, but he just looked like he was tired of it. He got biffed by James, tho that was funny.
      • Tony Veitch 10.1.1

        5 October 2023 at 9:33 pm

        Interestingly, hardly any mention of Seymour in the post-match analysis!

        Act has peaked at about 9% IMO.

        And on tonight's performance, Winnie is well past his use-by date.

        TMP and Greens clear winners! Judging by the few instance of applause, the audience thought so too.
        • Bearded Git 10.1.1.1

          5 October 2023 at 9:49 pm

          Wish I had watched it now…music to my ears
11. Anne 11

    5 October 2023 at 10:04 pm

    "TMP and Greens clear winners!"

    Good to see it. Lets hope it gives the Left a general boost.
12. Ffloyd 12

    5 October 2023 at 10:19 pm

    James Shaw by a country mile on minors debate. He’s a scholar and a gentleman and his put downs on Seymour were masterful. Seymour needs to learn to just shut up. Winnie needs to retire to the front porch with a top notch whisky. TMP good value, good points. James and Rawiri front runners.
13. Ffloyd 13

    5 October 2023 at 10:36 pm

    Just caught LisaOwen interviewing Carmel Supeloni ? and Nicola Willis who is looking increasingly constipated. Rigid face and jaw as per Luxon and Key. Is this a National requirement. Do they all take lessons to learn this jaw clench. Very unfeminine Nicola if I may say so.
    Carmel was calm and dignified and answered all questions quietly(when allowed by Nicola) without put downs and bluster.
    Nicola not so much. Couldn’t wait to get into Labour to deflect question. Therefore, yet again no answers .
    Carmel 100%. Nicola need an enema. Talks a load of what she needs to get rid of.
14. Joe90 14

    5 October 2023 at 11:21 pm

    They keep telling the world what they’re doing and what they intend to do…but Russophobia….

    /

    Денис Казанський

    @den_kazansky

    The leader of pro-Russian militants of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev, says that Russia will not be able to kill all Ukrainians, so it will have to create concentration camps in Ukraine to "re-educate" the local population. Russian speakers use genocidal rhetoric as usual

    https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1709823704241246305

    Денис Казанський

    @den_kazansky

    The head of the Russian occupation administration of Zaporizhia, Yevgeny Balitsky, said that Russia’s goal is to occupy not only Ukraine, but also the Baltic countries, Poland and Finland. Because these states are "the historical lands of Russia".

    https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1709281875934560540

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