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Daily review 12/12/2019

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, December 12th, 2019 - 63 comments
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This provides Standardistas the opportunity to review events of the day.

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63 comments on “Daily review 12/12/2019”

  1. weka 1

    Good luck with the voting Brits! May as well for the Hail Mary shot.

  2. joe90 2

    This rotten, entitled POS hunting and killing an endangered animal for fun epitomises just how disgusting the tRump crime family really are.

    The president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reportedly shot and killed an endangered sheep in Mongolia before receiving a permit from the Mongolian government.

    A ProPublica report published Wednesday found that Trump Jr.'s recent hunting trip to Mongolia in August resulted in the president's son shooting and killing an argali, a species of sheep listed as endangered and which requires a permit to be hunted legally.

    Trump Jr. was not offered a permit for shooting the animal until after he left the region, according to ProPublica, raising questions about whether he received special treatment.



    • NZJester 2.1

      He shot it illegally and they only offered the permit retroactively to avoid the problem with the fact he would have had diplomatic immunity and they can not prosecute him anyway.

      They wanted the easiest solution to getting the criminal case to vanish from their records

      I bet someone paid a pretty penny for that permit to make the case disappear, and it would not have been him that paid for it. I bet if their charity foundation was still going and had not been wound up, it would have paid for it.


    • The Al1en 2.2

      It takes a tough man to shoot such a fearsome animal like a sheep. Next up it’s baby Pandas.

  3. greywarshark 3

    I liked this quote on TDB today:

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
    Edward Abbey

    and that was followed by a rant –
    So Labour’s ‘transformation’ equates to spending billions on bloody roads???

    • JanM 3.1

      My thinking on this transport business is for readying the north and maybe Tauranga for shifting the Port of Auckland

      • greywarshark 3.1.1

        That would be more useful than just being a Holiday Highway but more, it could be a good start for getting rail going as a prime mover and the trucks being temporary till then.   It would be tricky but if the railway and road went side by side then during the making of the road, they could get parts of it with the gradient right for the train tracks to go down, and the road could become an equivalent 3 lane.

  4. Bill 4

    Just signposting the exhALANt post sitting over on the side bar. It covers a lot of ground and is very good.

    • pat 4.1

      it will hold …until it dosn't

      brick walls are hard on the head

    • Incognito 4.2

      exhALANt is always excellent IMO but I haven’t read that recent one yet.

    • Andre 4.3

      It's certainly an impressive catalog of sins by the media.

      But the most useful bit comes early, before the catalog starts:

      … coupled with general observations that the propensity for people to believe almost anything at all, as long as it serves individual needs.

      Then, when a substantial part of the prevailing narrative is dodgy, the next trap to avoid falling into is second-option bias.

      • Bill 4.3.1

        Not sure I understand your comment there Andre. Elevating the focus of the individual and getting that focus accepted as 'normal' (as exhALANt is saying) is/gs been fairly central to the roll out of liberalism.

        But I can't for the life of me see why you so readily draw a line from a resistance/denial of that mindset to one of thoughtless gullibility/belief.

        Given the analysis offered up by exhALANt, (the piece is much more than a simplistic descriptive catalogue of ‘media sins’) I'd suggest your concern about dogmatism is moot – people whose opinions  result from critical thinking and analysis are not the type of people who view the world in simplistic black and white terms.

        And for those who do see the world in terms of 'black hat/white hat'  – whose opinions are generally received –  then your "second option bias" is less of a trap than an inevitability.

  5. Sacha 5

    Military and Police staff may be keen on mounting a volcanic body recovery mission tomorrow morning, but GNS remains cautious about the safety of its scientists:

    • weka 5.1

      Report from the press conference just before. The NZDF are going in at first light.

      Really biting my tongue over the people that have basically spent 4 days calling the police and other agencies cowards. This rescue is not for the fainthearted.

      • greywarshark 5.1.1

        Did someone say it was going to be easy?   I said that it involved risk, and required close deliberations.    It is really important that we look at things objectively, and then ensure that we consider the human side too, but not just dismiss questions and criticism.   Maybe we could do things better than people have envisaged in the past.

        • weka

          There's been a bunch of bullshit on twitter (not going into detail at the moment, but may write about this at some point), some of it politicised, some of it MSM meddling. There's also been other comments on twitter that I think come out of people's pain and fear, but I think are ill-judged.

          The categorising of the police in particular as self-serving, OSH obsessed, controllers who should be taking the risk or letting others get on with it has been particularly hard to watch and I'm still perplexed at the attitude behind this.

          Asking questions is good, there have been those conversations as well (and I've asked a few questions myself). I think there's value in asking the right people. One of the things that happened on the first day or two was quite a few volcanologists and other scientists were tweeting to listen to and amplify expert voices on volcanoes. I think one thing we can take away from Whakaari this week is that we can apply this to the various agencies involved in rescue and recovery.

          Not sure if you have seen this yet, but this is a remarkable press conference from the Deputy Commander Mike Clement, and I think he is exemplifying what you are naming in terms of being objective and being human. The care he has for his staff and the staff of other agencies, as well as the families and community is very clear.


      • Exkiwiforces 5.1.2

        Well it's now or never with the recovery mission, I do find it quite strange that the police head shed/ leadership group are so risk adverse these days?

        With Pike River, they stop the mine recuse team from doing what they were are trained in.

        Army relief convoy during the Kaikoura Earthquakes was stop on the orders of the Police, even though Army has practice in these types of events and develop its TTP's (SOP's on old money). From my old ex crew commander, who is now a truckie said " we had all the gear from recovery trucks, heavy engineer support from 3Fld Engineer SQN and a reccon engineer team going ahead of the main convoy. A few choice words were said to the Police and CD Leadership group." The amount of trees we chop down developing our plans, COA's, CONOP's and finally to a formal set of orders is mindboggling to an outsider   

        The two coppers who stopped that Muppet committing more deaths in CHCH by running him of the rd. Those two just got on the with job to stop the Muppet from doing more damage.  

        The Airlift of the wounded from White Island was run by a legend of Airborne Recuse in NZ, Ray Fernnell. He was in a fix wing aircraft directing, Co/Ording  the Recuse Helicopters on where to go and provide over watch. Most of Helicopter crews and paramedic's have some form of Military/ Special Forces background who were on the scene quite quickly and knew what to do, develop their COA's within themselves and they all knew the risk factor at they were doing.  

        Sometimes I wonder what sheet of music the Police is it ass covering (to protect) or on the serve (to back yourself with the odd risk) sheet of music. When they should be doing both at the same time.


  6. pat 6

    "How do voters respond to that, especially those who have done least well out of the past decade? They tune out. Earlier this year I went door-knocking round a Northumberland housing estate with Jamie Driscoll, Labour North of Tyne mayor, and in what is called Labour’s heartland the most common response was: “I don’t follow politics”, followed by the slamming of a door. One canvasser remarked: “Policy doesn’t matter here. They’ve forgotten what government can do.” If there’s one statement Labour should take to heart after this election, it’s that."



  7. Macro 7

    Heh! TIME picking Greta as "Person of the Year" TRIGGERED somebody, hehehe

    The president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., attacked Time magazine on Wednesday over its choice of climate change activist Greta Thunberg as its 2019 "Person of the Year."

    In a tweet, Trump Jr. mocked the 16-year-old activist as "a teen being used as a marketing gimmick," saying pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong deserved the honor.



  8. Bill 8

    Big queues at polling booths. Apparently quite unprecedented.

    I guess it could be the Tory faithful 😉

    I've been living in Balham, London for 6 years, I have never seen a queue like this at my polling station.

    Big queue of 100+ people ahead of me at the polling station in marginal Battersea There’s 50 odd people behind me too

    And so on

  9. joe90 9

    I guess this will make future denials of genocidal crimes a doddle.


    Austrian writer Peter Handke has been declared a "persona non grata" in Kosovo over his position on late Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic, Kosovo Foreign Minister Behgjet Pacolli declared on Wednesday, a day after Handke was handed the 2019 Nobel Prize for Literature in Stockholm.




  10. SPC 10

    • Nic the NZer 10.1

      She was on a comittee which oversaw the torture of prisoners in early 2000s. This is probably why she never called for impeachment.

  11. Ad 11

    Traditional Thai massage has now been recognized by UNESCO as part of the world's cultural heritage. 

    Now there's another happy ending!



  12. Jimmy 12

    So I assume the British people have spoken and they do not like Corbyn.



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