Daily Review 14/11/2017

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  1. chris73 1
    14 November 2017 at 5:52 pm

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98871168/national-sets-the-nanny-trap-labour-walks-right-in-over-paid-parental-leave

    “Our concern with that is the likelihood it would reduce the amount of time that baby has to bond with their primary caregiver,” said Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway.”

    Yeah I’d be advising Labour to tread very carefully here because its starting to get a bit of traction

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/breastfeeding/98877615/labours-parental-leave-policy-puts-babies-health-first–midwives

    • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1
      14 November 2017 at 6:01 pm

      “Traction”

      Oh noes! Wingnuts are repeating it to one another.

      • chris73 1.1.1
        14 November 2017 at 6:04 pm

        Well Labour were warned National won’t make it easy for Labour and nor should they

        • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1.1
          14 November 2017 at 6:07 pm

          Go full Tea Party. It’s the right move. You know you want to.

          • chris73 1.1.1.1.1
            14 November 2017 at 6:11 pm

            No not at all, I’m center right at best but the amount of mistakes Labours already made so far isn’t exactly heartening

            Although knowing they want to sign the TPPA means they’re not all bad

        • McFlock 1.1.1.2
          14 November 2017 at 6:19 pm

          Well, in the interests of reciprocal advice, it really looks like National could gain traction on this. Labour look weak, caring about babies and suchlike.

          National have a strong track record in this regard to build on, but maybe they could suggest sending babies into Pike River mine as gas canaries, or just get one or two front-benchers photographed using babies as bowling pins?

          • chris73 1.1.1.2.1
            14 November 2017 at 6:25 pm

            The question is though what do parents want or think is best for their kids? I personally have no skin in the game so it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out

            Of course Labour could surprise everyone by batting this away effortlessly but even you would have to admit Labours start hasn’t exactly been a raging success

            • Robert Guyton 1.1.1.2.1.1
              14 November 2017 at 6:39 pm

              “The question is though what do parents want or think is best for their kids? I personally have no skin in the game so I’ll desist from offering my opinion”.
              fify

              • Bondy …
                14 November 2017 at 9:36 pm

                I’ll offer mine then. When my partner and I had our youngest daughter our first-born was 3. The rare times (weekends) that we could all spend together in those wonderful first few weeks were hugely rewarding for all of us as a family. Nats initiative is great, it allows choice for parents to make on what works best for them. Hardly surprising then that Labour is against it.

                • Robert Guyton …
                  14 November 2017 at 9:43 pm

                  Bondy – isn’t spending time with young sons and daughters (grandsons and granddaughters too!) wonderful!
                  Do you have any ideas as to why National didn’t bring this in when they were in Government? It seems as though they are just talking big at this point when they have no power to enact the needed legislation.
                  Cheers.

                  • Bondy …
                    14 November 2017 at 9:55 pm

                    Yes it is wonderful. Said youngest turns 11 today and happily her & sister are coming to visit for the weekend for birthday celebrations.
                    We know the Nats did increase parental leave, no doubt they would have further and it would have been well considered as to how it would work and give choice. As we know they were also considering the fairness of the duration to other interested parties not the least of whom were taxpayers and non/parents.

            • McFlock 1.1.1.2.1.2
              14 November 2017 at 6:43 pm

              Actually, the question is whether you lot will walk over babies to try to get back into government.

              Apparently the answer is “yes”.

              As to the administrative issue of consecutive vs concurrency in leave allocation… good luck with that.

              • weka …
                14 November 2017 at 6:51 pm

                Yeah, I was wondering about. Hadn’t realised that it was even a thing. How do they manage that?

                • McFlock …
                  14 November 2017 at 8:52 pm

                  What, create media mountains out of dust motes?

                  Tories are just lucky I guess, lol

                  • weka …
                    14 November 2017 at 9:48 pm

                    Lol, not I meant how do they know if two people take PPL at the same time for the same child.

                    • McFlock …
                      14 November 2017 at 10:20 pm

                      Well, it’s paid by the IRD. I assume that the paperwork to verify a child exists would involve mother and delivery date, but the intricacies are not really my field…

            • Muttonbird 1.1.1.2.1.3
              14 November 2017 at 6:44 pm

              It’s been better than the Nat’s start to opposition. They are so miserable and negative!

            • greywarshark 1.1.1.2.1.4
              14 November 2017 at 6:49 pm

              chris73
              FFS STFU Don’t start all the concern trolling. It doesn’t look nice.

        • Booker 1.1.1.3
          14 November 2017 at 7:51 pm

          Anyone else confused as hell that National’s opposition tactics are to try and show up Labour by being even further left, and placing themselves as the party of the people? I wonder if this National Party knows the National Party of the last 9 yeasts?

          Still, if their opposition plan is go hard left, the next 3 years will be awesome 🙂

    • weka 1.3
      14 November 2017 at 6:52 pm

      Looking at that URL, I see Stuff still think that point scoring and the political battle is more important than, you know, actual governing and getting good legislation from the parliamentary process.

      I’m going to guess you think the same.

      • chris73 1.3.1
        14 November 2017 at 7:19 pm

        I do admit that what fascinates me about politics is what it makes people do in that I’d hazard a guess that most every new mp wants to help, make the country a better place, be honest and truthful etc etc yet somewhere along the way changes happen, in every party

        I like the reactions of supporters and while said supporters are very keen to point out errors in the opposition seem blind to the faults of their own party (no I’m not missing the irony)

        I like the point scoring, I like (love) the drama, the tit-for-tat, how politicians can all say one thing then another (I couldn’t be a politician) the sheer chutzpah of what it takes

        Yet somehow it all seems to combine to make NZ a pretty decent place to live

        • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3.1.1
          14 November 2017 at 7:30 pm

          …unless you’re one of the people the National Party sponsors human rights abuses against, that is.

    • Paul Campbell 1.4
      14 November 2017 at 7:55 pm

      If National really think this is so important why didn’t they pass it years ago when they were in govt?

      methinks they doth protest too much

  2. marty mars 2
    14 November 2017 at 6:19 pm

    I think this is so wrong. The court has made a mistake. Māori is an official language. As the mother says if the shoe was on the other foot the outcry would be huge. Shame on the court and the father – disgraceful.

    http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/national/court-rules-no-maori-immersion-school-child

    • weka 2.1
      14 November 2017 at 6:56 pm

      That was bizarre and a classic example of just how much mainstream NZ expects Māori to be assimilated. I hope it gets appealed further.

      It’s possible the father has some legitimate issues around involvement, but I think there are far better ways of solving that. I would have thought the family court could have helped with that. (Hard to tell at the distance though).

    • James 2.2
      14 November 2017 at 6:59 pm

      “But the father submitted to the family court his daughter was enrolled without his consent and had concerns about her academic progress”

      That’s a really valid issue and seems that the court has taken it into account.

      There seems to be more at play – and being a family matter I doubt we will know all the story.

      • weka 2.2.1
        14 November 2017 at 7:00 pm

        There are other ways to solve those issues though.

      • marty mars 2.2.2
        14 November 2017 at 7:04 pm

        Play a mindgame James and turn the situation the other way round. You’d be bleating like a paddock full of lonely lambs.

      • Draco T Bastard 2.2.3
        14 November 2017 at 11:30 pm

        That’s a really valid issue and seems that the court has taken it into account.

        It would be if he could actually show reason for those concerns. But then there’s this bit from him:

        He supported his daughter’s culture but wanted to be involved in her education.

        “I feel rather uncomfortable in that world and the school has not assisted in this regard I am treated as an outsider,” said the father.

        All he had to do is learn – and he refused.

        Seems to me that he’s just being a control freak.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.3
      14 November 2017 at 11:35 pm

      Seems the high court has over turned the family court ruling:

      It took three High Court judges to preside over the case. After 10 weeks of deliberations, the third judge noted, “It is perhaps surprising in 2017, especially given the Māori Language Act, that it is not yet Government policy that all primary schools teach te reo as a compulsory subject.”

      The judge effectively overturned the Family Court ruling and enabled the girl to resume her Māori education at a new, bilingual school.

      And, yes, it is surprising that Te Reo (sp?) isn’t compulsory in school.

  3. Robert Guyton 3
    14 November 2017 at 6:39 pm

    Chris73 – Give us a break from your attempts to erode our feelings of delight around the new Government. You’re coming across as a petty spoiler.

    • chris73 3.1
      14 November 2017 at 6:51 pm

      Hey I’m more than willing to give Labour a chance, I mean they really want to sign the TPPA and I want the TPPA signed but that doesn’t mean we should ignore whats happening unless you mean Labour should have a grace period?

      • weka 3.1.1
        14 November 2017 at 6:59 pm

        Who blocked extending paid parental leave last year chris? Your concerns would have more legitimacy if you weren’t backing a bunch of power-mongering hypocrites who are still blatantly power mongering rather than trying to help NZ.

        Here you go, you can refresh your memory.

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81138922/Government-has-used-the-financial-veto-to-stop-an-extension-to-paid-parental-leave

        • chris73 3.1.1.1
          14 November 2017 at 7:21 pm

          Thats true however they did campaign at the election for an extension to 22 weeks, which included the ability for parents to choose whether they took that leave at the same time.

          • weka 3.1.1.1.1
            14 November 2017 at 8:26 pm

            sure, they threw in some liberal/left wing policy when they realised they were at risk of losing the election (August I think).

      • Robert Guyton 3.1.2
        14 November 2017 at 8:50 pm

        “Hey I’m more than willing to give Labour a chance”, says chris73.
        He also says,
        “you would have to admit Labours start hasn’t exactly been a raging success…”
        and
        “…the amount of mistakes Labours already made so far isn’t exactly heartening
        …”
        Showing, to those of us with radar tuned to concern trolling, that you are not “willing to give Labour a chance”, but instead are determined to magnify and broadcast every bump in the road, not because you wish them bon chance but because you wish them ill. Aye.

      • Ed 3.1.3
        14 November 2017 at 9:25 pm

        You really are quite a dishonest person .

      • One Two 3.1.4
        14 November 2017 at 9:50 pm

        “I want the tpp signed”….

  4. Zorb6 4
    14 November 2017 at 6:52 pm

    this Govts biggest screw up is going on about Manus Is refugees,even if its a distraction tactic it could blow up,bigtime.

  6. bwaghorn 6
    14 November 2017 at 7:43 pm

    opinions are like arsehole , every one has one, but unlike your arsehole you should examine your opinion regularly .

    stolen from some bloke on fb

  7. ianmac 7
    14 November 2017 at 7:52 pm

    Wonder if the published commentary from the failed English Government is greater than the published commentary from the present Government by more than 80%.

    I reckon that this is an all time record given that Opposition traditionally complains that they cannot get air time.

  8. ScottGN 8
    14 November 2017 at 8:12 pm

    Ardern is probably the least of Malcolm’s problems right now.
    Shorten has pulled a swifty and put up Kristina Keneally, the former Labor Premier of NSW to contest the seat of Bennelong in the upcoming by-election caused when the sitting Liberal MP Alexander was forced to resign because of dual citizenship issues.
    Bennelong is a wealthy metro seat on Sydney’s North Shore whose voters have a habit of voting Labor when they’re pissed off with Liberal governments.
    Keneally is an American who renounced her US citizenship to become a State MP and then Premier. The contrast with the citizenship omnishambles engulfing the government in Canberra is stark.
    If Keneally wins then Turnbull’s government is almost certainly gone…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-14/kristina-keneally-to-run-in-bennelong-by-election/9147640

    • exkiwiforces 8.1
      14 November 2017 at 11:06 pm

      She does have some baggage from the Eddie Obeid corrupting saga when she was the NSW State Labor Leader, anyway good luck to her if she pull’s it off.

  9. alwyn 9
    14 November 2017 at 9:02 pm

    I’ve been away for the last month or so.
    Can anyone inform me of the progress that the Government has made on the Pike River mine re-entry?
    I presume that Little, Andrew has got it well underway although Google didn’t tell me anything about what he must have organised by now.
    Just what has he been up to on the matter? Or is this something we are not allowed to ask about?

      • alwyn 9.1.1
        14 November 2017 at 9:27 pm

        That is about what I tried.
        The most promising statement I could find was at the end of October when Little said
        “I would be surprised if we can’t make an entry, provided everything else lines up, by sometime in the early part of next year… March, April I say would be realistic,” he said.”
        That hardly seemed to be very certain that it would go ahead though.

        The PM seemed to be ticking it off her 100 day list because the Minister in charge had been named. That really didn’t seem very much like the promises from before the election though. At that time we were told
        “Jacinda Ardern says a Labour Government would reenter the Pike River Mine.
        The leaders of Labour, United Future, the Maori Party and the Green Party signed a commitment in Wellington on Tuesday to reenter the West Coast mine”
        This now seems to have become
        “She said the incoming government had already ticked off one of its commitments for the first 100 days, with the appointment of Andrew Little as the Minister responsible for Pike River Re-Entry”

        • Bondy 9.1.1.1
          14 November 2017 at 9:49 pm

          A bit rich putting Little in charge. Didn’t he state on more than 1 occasion that he was entirely happy with the H&S & operations at the mine, after the explosion?
          Anyhow, I hope any reentry personnel are accompanied by independent observers. Stories I heard from coasters who had worked there suggest that not all evidence of the cause of explosion will be what the families want made public. I hope that’s not the case.

          • adam 9.1.1.1.1
            14 November 2017 at 10:08 pm

            Bondy I’m no friend of the labour party – so I’ll politely ask you to back up that statement you made about Andrew Little. As for the second part you might want to get that sorted as well – as it stands all your doing is ‘making shit up’.

            • Bondy 9.1.1.1.1.1
              14 November 2017 at 10:25 pm

              “Following the disaster, Little defended the company’s safety record. He told the New Zealand Herald on November 21, 2010, that the company had an “active health and safety committee” and that there was “nothing unusual about Pike River or this mine that we’ve been particularly concerned about.” (see video) He repeated his comments to Radio NZ the following day, saying the company had taken “great care” with safety.”
              https://m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1701/S00183/opposition-parties-feign-support-for-pike-river-families.htm

              • McFlock …
                14 November 2017 at 11:13 pm

                I think that’s a bit of a slide.

                there’s a difference between not having anything out of the ordinary and someone being “entirely happy” with it and “defending” it.

                All Little did was state two facts about the union’s dealings with the mine, a day or two after the first explosion.

                “Defending” it would be more like saying their safety record was second to none and they were exceptionally diligent about safety. He didn’t do that: just said the company wasn’t out of the ordinary.

                A bit like how the cops saying someone isn’t convicted of or wanted in relation to any serious offences is not a defense of the individual’s character.

                And the “active health and safety committee” line is significantly out of context:

                Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) national secretary Andrew Little said he had never heard of any Pike mineworker becoming sick from the gas.

                “I was told there was a pretty active health and safety committee there. They were meeting on a regular basis,” he said.

            • Bondy 9.1.1.1.1.2
              14 November 2017 at 10:29 pm

              “In January 2009, an advisory notice was given to Pike staff after cigarette butts were found in the mine. Two months later, another notice stated the mine had “very strict rules of the taking of contraband items underground that could cause a spark or fire”.

              “Everyone’s lives are at stake with the breach of these rules,” the notice stated, which Shortall read.

              In December 2009, a cigarette lighter was found underground.”
              http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/6386869/Methane-lit-by-spark-likely-cause-of-Pike-blast

          • James 9.1.1.1.2
            15 November 2017 at 8:23 am

            “Stories I heard from coasters who had worked there suggest that not all evidence of the cause of explosion will be what the families want made public. I hope that’s not the case.”

            Why not – it’s about truth is it not ?

    • Ed 9.2
      14 November 2017 at 9:28 pm

      Concern trolls out in force.
      A clear reminder of the dishonesty and heartlessness of the previous government.

    • adam 9.3
      14 November 2017 at 10:01 pm

      Worst concern troll ever, caught out in your own lie.

      Must be tough, not being a the trough at the moment.

      Must be tough not being able to read

      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/pike-river-re-entry-process-gets-underway.html

      • Bondy 9.3.1
        14 November 2017 at 10:05 pm

        Nothing in that article gives any indication of concrete action. Must be tough to have such limited skills of comprehension & discernment.

        • adam 9.3.1.1
          14 November 2017 at 10:14 pm

          So a planning meeting is no longer concret action?

          A meeting to actually do the reentry happened on the 6th of November. Which included the families to keep them informed of progress, is way more than the previous government did.

          You did realise the families did not go out to the media after the meeting and complain about no action. Which was the families did after almost every meeting with the previous government.

    • Nick 9.4
      14 November 2017 at 10:10 pm

      Yep has been better on the Standard for the last month or so alwyn.