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United has no future

Written By: - Date published: 8:56 am, November 14th, 2017 - 54 comments
Categories: peter dunne, the praiseworthy and the pitiful, united future - Tags:

Shed a tear, if you feel inclined. United Future, the party of centralised reasonableness with a dose of common sense pragmatic practical approach to policy will be no more.

This is not a surprise. UF did well in the 2002 elections because of the crashing of National’s support under the leadership of Bill English and the strange behaviour of a televised worm. But after that its fortunes stalled. It crept back into Parliament in 2005 with three seats but since then the only MP was the coiffured one. And his future depended on National making space for him and getting its candidate to not campaign for electorate votes.

What policy wins did it achieve? Occasionally the coiffured one grew a backbone and supported progressive policies like paid parental leave.  But much of the time it was the “lets kill only half of the cats” type of compromise.

And the party set up all these strange relationships with disparate groups in an effort to gain a critical mass.  The Christian Future Party was an early add on.  After that it entered into a rather messy defacto relationship with the shootin rootin tootin Outdoor Recreation Party.  This later relationship ended when the ORP realised how corrosive the Christian influence on the party was.  And the Christians drifted off after Dunne supported Sue Bradford’s anti smacking legislation leaving Dunne to be a party of one and a sock puppet for National.

So goodbye United Future.  No doubt in the future a beige self styled reasonable party will appear intent on reliving United’s glory days.

54 comments on “United has no future ”

  1. Andre 1

    “No doubt in the future a beige self styled reasonable party will appear intent on reliving United’s glory days.”

    Now which beige self styled reasonable individual immediately comes to mind with that comment?

    • Puckish Rogue 1.1

      I volunteer, I volunteer as tribute!

      • Andre 1.1.1

        Go right ahead if you want. But I don’t recall you ever describing yourself as reasonable, nor does beige come to mind in your case.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2

        Thank goodness for that. Dodged a bullet there!

      • marty mars 1.1.3

        Tribute accepted from district 13. This district is filled with terrible poverty because all of the neo liberals, capitalists, and middle manager types that make up the population, refuse to work for anyone other than themselves. Known as the selfish district the tributes are usually the first and second to get the big picture in the sky.

        Beige doesn’t suit you puck.

        • Puckish Rogue 1.1.3.1

          The tributes normally have the most resources, the best training and better quality food and water therefore they’re stronger, smarter and generally superior in every way 😉

      • cleangreen 1.1.4

        United future gone?
        ‘Good riddance to bad rubbbish’

        Kindest words to use here.

  2. Cinny 2

    I quite liked Lightfoots performance in the debates, wonder if he will join another party?

    • veutoviper 2.1

      I presume you mean Daniel Light. He was interviewed on Morning Report this morning by John Campbell. Here is the report on the interview plus a link in the article to the full interview.
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343759/united-future-to-disband

      Although the article mentions DL might be interested in continuing in politics, it does not include the fact that JC discussed with DL the fact that his views seemed close to Labour and DL could be interested in hearing from them in the future about possibly joining and running for them.

      • Cinny 2.1.1

        Yes that’s that fella, thanks for the link, I really liked him, couldn’t stand Dunne the Dinosaur, but Damien seems like a switched on clued up man. Really enjoyed his participation in the debates.

  3. Peroxide Blonde 3

    Dunne’s handling of the “Legal High” disaster and the resulting deaths and tragedy should never be forgotten.
    His son’s role as lawyer advocate for the dirty Legal High industry while pops was minister increased the stench of corruption around parliament.
    It was always a Peter Dunne party and nothing more. Anyone who became a candidate was an idiot.

  4. millsy 4

    IMO, UF will always be remembered for pushing Labour rightwards from 2002 on. It is largely forgotten, but no less important.

  5. Brendan 5

    And just like that, United Future became United Past.

  6. One Anonymous Bloke 6

    It is a dead party. It has ceased to be. The only reason Peter Dunne was still in Ohariu was because National nailed him there.

    I wonder how long David Seymour will lie motionless on the floor of his cage.

    • ianmac 6.1

      Oh no! The Media needs Seymour. Who else can they call on to make dark and “profound” commentary? We would be lost/rudderless without Seymour and Hoskings to guide us.

      • WILD KATIPO 6.1.1

        Wodney Hides been away from ACT for a long time now and still serves that purpose well enough , – as does the mummified Richard Prebble.

        I don’t think we need any more of the scumbags, tbh.

      • veutoviper 6.1.2

        Or have fun with in the House by gifting him supplementary questions like Chris Hipkins did last Thursday?

    • paul andersen 6.2

      +100

  7. mary_a 7

    Well I guess the decrepit old Dunners could be resurrected as a political commentator or columnist on behalf of his beloved Natz, to spit the venom at the present government. In similar vein to that of the other raised foul rotting corpses, Armstrong and Prebble!

    Can’t see him being much use for anything else.

    • Peroxide Blonde 7.1

      …and Michael Bassett…..Leighton Smith’s go-to man for Labour bashing.
      There is a special place in political hell for Bassett.

      • Tracey 7.1.1

        Oh God not Bassett. His political leanings align with Prebble and Douglas. And Goff the wannabe self interested at their feet.

  8. Ad 8

    Wellington City Council should build a 20 metre high statue just to his hair, made of fibre optic wire in a pale lavender, placed right at the edge of Te Papa’s water edge, so the great couffured off-white mass could wave in the great harbour winds, and we could glory at his presence at every puff of wind ……….

    …………. particularly in the dark, for ships and aircraft to navigate by.

  9. esoteric pineapples 9

    Quite a few people have died thanks to Peter Dunne and his crusade against legal highs. That’s a big responsibility to bear for all of eternity.

    • It was his crusade against marijuana. He worked for and delivered the fake marijuana that has been causing so much harm to our communities.

      He’s another one that needs to be in jail for criminal negligence.

      • Pete George 9.1.1

        Ill-informed comments.

        Learn something about it here: https://publicaddress.net/hardnews/how-harm-happens/

        Ross Bell from the Drug Foundation commenetd to that:

        Yes, we were critical of Labour’s indifference to drug law reform in the lead up to the campaign… but they finally got there in the end (their Justice manifesto is clear on their intention to replace the Misuse of Drugs Act for example).

        And as we saw with Peter Dunne, wise people can become very good allies when equipped with good information.

        The reality is that the whole issue of drugs is complex and very difficult to deal with.

        Russell:

        Well, with more than 20 deaths and hundreds of emergency admissions in mere months, we have a public health crisis. Peter Dunne’s drug policy delegation has passed to the new Minister of Health, David Clark. It’s up to him to bring order and transparency to a system that does not do what we need.

        Clark should be focusing on issues that need urgent attention now and not waste time bickering with the last Minister of health over youth suicide.

        • Muttonbird 9.1.1.1

          The reality is that the whole issue of drugs is complex and very difficult to deal with.

          This is a line used by people who have failed. They are trying to frame an issue as insurmountable by anyone because of its complexity but in reality it’s an excuse for not doing your job properly.

          Coleman used it a lot.

          • Pete George 9.1.1.1.1

            Reality is it is complex and difficult to deal with. It’s not an excuse, if you don’t acknowledge that you’re unlikely to get very far in dealing with it.

            National and Coleman did handle drug issues poorly. Labour didn’t put much effort into it or emphasis on it either, and have now unfortunately shut Julie Anne Genter out of it.

            David Clark is now responsible, he needs to leave behind opposition-like pettiness and talk to people like Ross bell, Russell Brown and Mike King and try something significantly different, and hope that it makes a real difference. there will still be drug problems and deaths, and mental health problems and suicides, and it needs urgent action rather than squabbling.

            • Muttonbird 9.1.1.1.1.1

              It’s great you are now looking for consensus on these issues rather than attacking Labour at every turn.

              You are a known authority worshiper and I feel you beginning to cross the bridge. Still beige but congrats anyway.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.1.1.1.2

              pettiness

              For example: making inflammatory – and no doubt utterly false – assertions like:

              shut Julie Anne Genter out

              The government will get on with the job of cleaning up after the National Party while you do your level best to undermine them. You’re transparent.

              • Genter had a record of advocacy for drug law reform and she took over Dunne’s Associate health role, but Labour didn’t let her take over Dunne’s drug responsibilities. I’m not aware of Clark being a strong supporter of drug law reform.

                As regards the medical question: Labour’s medical cannabis policy isn’t as good as the party thinks it is. It requires that doctors and official not deny medical prescription to anyone who needs it, but it doesn’t deal with the prohibitive cost of prescribing imported products, have anything to say about domestic production or countenance home growing. It’s even conceivable that Labour could tank Julie Anne Genter’s private member’s bill at select committee. There are plenty of questions there.

                https://publicaddress.net/hardnews/what-we-learned-yesterday-about-the-cannabis/

                That’s from a Labour supporter who puts progress on drug law ahead of politics.

                There is no sign of Clark or Labour stepping up on drug law reform yet. Perhaps they will get there.

                Labour’s David Clark said he supports the Law Commission’s review of the Misuse of Drugs Act, but never specified how that would be part of any policy and “a conversation needs to be had with society” before any action is taken.

                https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-07-2017/whos-going-to-fix-our-drug-laws/

                That doesn’t sound promising.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  …and you don’t sound sincere or relevant. My original comment stands.

                  I don’t think anyone should be serving a sentence in prison for smoking cannabis. I don’t think that’s a good response.

                  The Prime Minister.

                  • Stunned mullet

                    I doubt there would be a single person serving a term in prison for merely smoking cannabis, daft comment from the pm.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.1.2

          So your rebuttal to the charges against Peter Dunne includes the information that a public health crisis causing more than twenty deaths occurred in an area directly related to his portfolio, but but but but but Llllaaaabbbboooouuuuuurrrrr!!!!!

          In his defence, nothing you say is credible.

        • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.3

          Ill-informed comments.

          Nope.

          Synthetic cannabis should never have been legal while actual cannabis should have been but Dunne was completely against doing that. There was already evidence that the synthetic stuff killed before it was made legal by Dunne/National – with the help of lobbyists in the drug industry.

          The reality is that the whole issue of drugs is complex and very difficult to deal with.

          Actually, it’s not – unless you’re more concerned with maintaining the power and wealth of industry rather than writing good law.

          Clark should be focusing on issues that need urgent attention now and not waste time bickering with the last Minister of health over youth suicide.

          I’m pretty sure that the ongoing death toll caused by the stupidity of Dunne is an urgent issue.

          • Pete George 9.1.1.3.1

            Labour’s David Clark said he supports the Law Commission’s review of the Misuse of Drugs Act, but never specified how that would be part of any policy and “a conversation needs to be had with society” before any action is taken.

            https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-07-2017/whos-going-to-fix-our-drug-laws/

            Does having a conversation with society sound urgent enough?

            • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.3.1.1

              Ah, an old article from before the election and you seem to be up to your old trick of shifting the goal posts as a way to distract from the failure of Dunne and National.

              How about a newer article:

              As part of the Greens confidence and supply agreement with Labour, also released yesterday afternoon, the development of legislation which directed drug-use be treated as a health problem has been prioritised in the incoming Government’s agenda.

              And while Labour had already promised to address current rules which restricted access to the cannabis, and associated products for medicinal purposes, the Greens have further advanced this area of drug reform by planning a referendum on “legalising the personal use” of the drug before the next election.

              Would it be nice to have the drug laws redone faster? Yep

              But that’s really got nothing to do with urgently helping the people caught up in the stupidity of the last government to legalise highly addictive and deadly drugs because some people realised that they could make a profit from them.

  10. Tanz 10

    NZ First will be gone also, since they betrayed roughly half of their voters, the coalition talks with National were mostly like a complete farce and Winston Peters has at last gotten his legacy: enabling a govt made up of 5 per cent, seven percent and 36 per cent support. We have a govt of mostly list MP’s, not very democratic.

    When Winston goes, so will NZ First. A National MP in the House today said they had dodged a bullet, which is proving to be true. Winston First and New Zealand Last.
    National the biggest Opposition in our history, because they are still today, the most popular large party (latest poll).

    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1

      “Nearly half”

      Shit you really are stupid. There’s a post on this topic right now, quoting Horizons polling:

      57% of New Zealand First voters feel positive, 20% negative, 24% neither positive nor negative,

      Everything you write here is immediately refuted by facts and events. Things you could have checked for yourself if you weren’t such a halfwit.

    • Brian Tregaskin 10.2

      TANZ Get over it!!!. Sounds like a bit of sore loser creeping in.
      This is MMP NZF can and will decide to go with which ever major party they like.
      There are winners and losers. national lost fair and square. 🙂

  11. Tanz 11

    Peter Dunne, Mr Common Sense, at least had integrity.
    ‘I will go with the party that receives the most votes, rather than
    ‘I will talk with the party that receives the most votes’ or words to that effect.
    Huge difference in a word there. Then post election, Peters said
    ‘MMP is the only authority.’ A bit different to his pre-election stance.
    Unlike Peter Dunne, who stuck by his word, and honoured the clear will of the people, instead of getting out of it for himself, what he could.
    United Future had New Zealand’ best interests at heart, rather than baubles.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1

      Please become even more upset about the fact that the National Party losers have no mates. Drivel on and on about it. Demonstrate how bitter and angry you are.

      That will ensure you’re a loser in 2020 too 😆

    • Peter Dunne, Mr Common Sense, at least had integrity.

      No, he really didn’t. If he did he would have legalised marijuana rather than the shit that caused so much damage to our people and communities.

      ‘I will go with the party that receives the most votes, rather than
      ‘I will talk with the party that receives the most votes’ or words to that effect.
      Huge difference in a word there. Then post election, Peters said
      ‘MMP is the only authority.’ A bit different to his pre-election stance.
      Unlike Peter Dunne, who stuck by his word, and honoured the clear will of the people, instead of getting out of it for himself, what he could.

      Peters was the one showing integrity with that example. He followed the will of the people, Dunne didn’t.

      The will of the people is the only authority.

      United Future had New Zealand’ best interests at heart, rather than baubles.

      And yet everything he did got him more baubles and damaged NZ. Too busy, I suspect, feeling important about being a minister.

    • solkta 11.3

      “Peter Dunne, Mr Common Sense, at least had integrity.”

      fuck that’s funny.

  12. Sparky 12

    Good riddance. Lets hope Labour either reforms or goes the same way.

  13. cleangreen 13

    esoteric pineapples;
    Yes blood on Dunne’s hands we know there are many cases.

    Dunne has been soiled by his actions.

  14. mosa 14

    Peter the ” prostitute “my father in law always called him because he would go with anyone.
    He was as corrupt as the the National government he propped up for nine years.

    I have no doubt that his misdemeanours with so called journalist were swept under Nationals very large carpet to minimise the risk of losing this most supportive ally.

    Of course Dunne looked the other way when he should have spoken up over Key and his hit man squad which became known as ” dirty politics ” was made public but he stood by while former colleagues had their reputations destroyed by dubious tactics that Dunne would have known was wrong.

    I think Key and some others bought his silence some time ago and as soon as he was compromised he ceased to be effective.

    Where was his ” backbone ” over medical cannabis and many other urgent issues that needed his input and influence in Nationals governing arrangement.

    He could have been so much more effective and really made a difference if he had not sold out to his lords and masters.

  15. Sanctuary 15

    Until Pete George turned up the tart humour of this thread was very good. I wonder if Pete has the same effect IRL?

  16. Philg 16

    Give Dunne some credit for his 30 odd years in the B hive. He did introduce planking to MZ parliarment!

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