Daily review 24/03/2023

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1. weka 1

   24 March 2023 at 5:47 pm

   https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1639126602419437568

   Telegraph link from behind the pay wall https://archive.is/K7N4E
   • Shanreagh 1.1

     24 March 2023 at 7:47 pm

     Yes we don't do debates very well. I don't think we have enough powerful thinkers here.

     When we have Michael Woods not seeming to recognise the women's issues behind JKM's visit and not being able to tie it back to Self ID & No Debate.

     Perhaps not enough philosophers or linguistics people. Perhaps they've never come back to NZ from Oxbridge or Harvard/Yale.
     • roblogic 1.1.1

       25 March 2023 at 12:31 am

       that's why we notice when a really outstanding communicator like Jacinda Ardern comes along.

       we lack serious social critics like Douglas Murray capable of trenchant analysis backed by real scholarship.

       a small nation is probably more susceptible to groupthink
2. Anker 2

   24 March 2023 at 6:19 pm

   • They look so ridiculous when they can’t say what a women is and can’t answer the question “can a women have a penis?”….

   I see Jan Logie commenting on Scoop saying Trans women are women. I think anyone outside the Green/labour bubble must be thinking wtf!

   I also noticed on the Stuff poll 55% think Kellie Jean should come to NZ and 45% think not. I think we are tapping in to the silent majority by having Kellie Jean coming. The 55% is despite the media’s rigorous campaign to smear her
   • weka 2.1

     24 March 2023 at 6:42 pm

     I agree. Even if not many go to LWS (certainly some women will stay away because of safety fears), these events are cracking open No Debate.

     Seeing how Kim Hill interviewed Tweedie and then KJK, I'm thinking she's a maybe a year or two off peaking. Not the imbalance in the interviews so much as the kinds of questions she asked.

     I do hope that 'what is a woman?' doesn't happen in this election though. This is the Climate election and if that goes off the rails far far more is at stake and women will do very badly under climate collapse.
     • Roy Cartland 2.1.1

       24 March 2023 at 7:36 pm

       "peaking"

       I've seen this word used a bit, but I might have missed some of the conversation. Is there a recent connotation or meaning?
       • Shanreagh 2.1.1.1

         24 March 2023 at 7:41 pm

         I thought at first it was a misprint of piquing like 'piquing one's interest' but other uses of peaking don't support this. So I'd be interested to know as well.
       • weka 2.1.1.2

         24 March 2023 at 8:53 pm

         Peaking, (or peak trans) is a term used to describe people who were previously supportive of trans rights in the TWAW sense, and who 'peaked' over any number of examples of how hugely problematic gender identity ideology is, usually in response to a specific realisation.

         Many people are socially liberal, across the political spectrum, and naturally support trans rights and think that people talking about problems with genderism are bigots. Then someone might have it explained to them that the TW they are ok with in women's toilets, changing rooms and refuges, has had no surgery, sometimes no hormones, and is an autogynephilic (AGP) male who cross dresses because it arouses him to think of himself as a women. TW are no longer Georgina Beyer, they're also Jessica Yaniv.

         (look up AGP andYaniv, and let me know if you want explanations. I don't know if Yaniv is AGP, but they are obviously a problem in women's spaces and there are plenty of other examples of AGP males).

         Many people believe that the sports issues are the biggest peak of the general public. Many people want to be kind, but they also understand fairness and biological reality at a gut level.

         Kim Hill's questions to Maz Tweedie struck me as more aware than I've heard in the past.
         • Roy Cartland 2.1.1.2.1

           24 March 2023 at 10:26 pm

           Thanks Weka, very informative as always. Now that you explain it, I see I've noticed it in several places too.
         • Shanreagh 2.1.1.2.2

           24 March 2023 at 11:33 pm

           Thank you Weka. With you here I feel as if I have my own women's issues updater.

           I will certainly re read the posts with peak in with greater knowledge now you have piqued my interest!
           • weka 2.1.1.2.2.1

             24 March 2023 at 11:47 pm

             Peaking should really refer to people who are supportive of trans rights shifting from a place of ignorance to one of being informed about gender identity, but still supportive of trans people being normal parts of society.

             It's the line between accepting TW but not accepting TW are literal women or that TW have the right to invade women's spaces (by which I mean the TW who feel they have a right and then end up taking selfies in women's toilets and who are just generally disrespectful of women, as opposed to TW who just want to get on with their lives).

             But because of No Debate, the whole bigot/terf/Nazi accusation, and cancel culture, some people are also radicalising into anti-trans. This is the problem with KJK, her rhetoric can be cruel and she doesn't care. But she also understands what is at stake. And No Debate means she occupies a space that should have had a much broader range of voices.
             • Shanreagh …

               24 March 2023 at 11:56 pm

               This is me

               'It's the line between accepting TW'

               not wishing any harm, wishing for them to not have to face discrimination or disenfranchisement, to live happy lives in whatever sphere they want…and to allow others the same…..

               I don't believe 'TW are literal women'

               I do not support anyone creating merry hell in women's spaces.
3. Anker 3

   24 March 2023 at 6:53 pm

   • Yes I am not so fond of the what is a woman, although in some contexts it is spot on.

   the Greens and Labour have changed the definition of what a woman is and through quite authoritarian methods have imposed it on us, smearing and cancelling us if we don’t agree

   They have never had a mandate to do that
   • weka 3.1

     24 March 2023 at 9:10 pm

     What is a woman? has been a potent political tool in the UK. It's just the wrong time here because we need a strong Green presence in a Labour led government to make progress on climate and we're about to run out of time.
   • Charlotte Rust 3.2

     26 March 2023 at 10:33 am

     I've posited this in another post but why is it never 'what is a man' – can a man have a vagina? Always about the women, it's unendingly frustrating. If the reverse question was in the majority there would be an uproar from natural men and shut down firmly, surely? This fixation with women and genitalia is mind boggling.
4. Shanreagh 4

   24 March 2023 at 7:38 pm

   I want this to be about climate change and wish we had this many people so powerfully for climate change issues. I did hear the booing from the crowd at Hobart when an elderly speaker mentioned that she had hoped everyone would be working on climate change.
5. Shanreagh 5

   24 March 2023 at 11:50 pm

   Can we think about women's sports and how at high level it will still be women's sports still?

   I think this was a good day for women's sports at a high level with the announcement from Sir Seb Coe. "…..we must maintain fairness for female athletes above all other considerations."

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sport/300838188/world-athletics-bans-transgender-women-athletes-to-protect-the-female-category

   Off to bed with this small nugget of happiness as athletics over the years have been important to me. Training is hard and the chance of winning is always there in traditional women's sports.
6. SPC 6

   24 March 2023 at 11:53 pm

   Utah establishes R 18 rules for social media.

   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65060733

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