Daily review 28/03/2019

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1. Rae 1

   28 March 2019 at 6:38 pm

   Is Theresa May the only person at the Brexit poker table that realises that Britain does not hold all the aces?
2. joe90 2

   28 March 2019 at 6:49 pm

   Oh…

   https://twitter.com/MonicaLewinsky/status/1110768987539791872
3. A 3

   28 March 2019 at 6:52 pm

   Brief story on Portugal and how the affects of changing their approach to drugs
4. Dennis Frank 4

   28 March 2019 at 7:05 pm

   Shoot-out at the OK corral in Oz: “Prime Minister Scott Morrison has ordered Pauline Hanson’s One Nation to be put below Labor on Liberal how-to-vote cards. The One Nation leader has shot back describing him as a “fool” and predicting it would lead to a Shorten Labor government.” https://nz.news.yahoo.com/libs-preference-one-nation-below-labor-233054044–spt.html

   “The minor party has been rocked by revelations Senator Hanson questioned whether the Port Arthur massacre was a government conspiracy during an undercover investigation by Qatari TV network Al Jazeera.”

   Raises the question of just how big a portion of the electorate conspiracy theorists actually are, eh? Gallup established that around a third of the US electorate believed the moon landings were a govt hoax in a poll sometime in the seventies.

   And this: https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/one-nation-sought-millions-of-dollars-from-americas-largest-gun-lobby/news-story/81aa8f50df99c15f5f6fb16a7fdc0b1c
   • Cinny 4.1

     28 March 2019 at 8:44 pm

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvL72OXbXwc

     pauline, your voice is shaking……
5. joe90 5

   28 March 2019 at 7:35 pm

   Tracey Ullman as nanny.

   https://twitter.com/bbccomedy/status/1013842109147860993
   • marty mars 5.1

     28 March 2019 at 8:07 pm

     Lol
6. greywarshark 6

   28 March 2019 at 8:20 pm

   Sad that a man shoots himself because he has an illegal gun and fears he may go to prison again and he phones his ex wife and son from his ute and the police won’t let them answer him while he is saying goodbye to them. It’s heartbreaking stuff. He
   likes carry imitation pistols and seemed to be a ‘loose cannon’.

   The police will look to see if there was a connection between the shooter and this ex-army man from Afghanistan. They were alerted when his son put up a profile picture on his facebook page wearing some ‘play gear’ that looked real.
   The 54-year-old tried calling his son once and ex-partner twice, however officers told them not to answer the phone. His ex-partner briefly spoke to him, and he said goodbye, his son said.
   Dubovskiy also called another friend, 21-year-old Jonathan Hinds.
   “He just called me brother and said goodbye,” Hinds told Stuff.
   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111596809/exrussian-soldier-dies-of-suspected-suicide-after-police-standoff-in-christchurch

   Recent:
   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111622101/russian-man-found-dead-after-christchurch-police-standoff-was-intimidating-and-cold

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/police-investigate-link-between-christchurch-shooter-and-troy-dubovskiy-who-died-in-police-stand-off.html
   • Gabby 6.1

     29 March 2019 at 9:55 am

     Care in the community is awesome.
   • Peter 6.2

     29 March 2019 at 11:59 am

     I would like to know why he was not deported years ago
7. joe90 7

   28 March 2019 at 8:26 pm

   Xtian values.

   https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1111004087745691655
8. marty mars 8

   28 March 2019 at 9:10 pm

   Great article

   One day, in frustration, I posted this social media status:

   “If your anti-racism work prioritizes the ‘growth’ and ‘enlightenment’ of white America over the safety, dignity and humanity of people of color – it’s not anti-racism work. It’s white supremacy.”

   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/28/confronting-racism-is-not-about-the-needs-and-feelings-of-white-people
9. Sabine 9

   28 March 2019 at 9:20 pm

   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/28/media-far-right-radicalisation-politics-hatred?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Telegram&fbclid=IwAR0tSicjQ2Xz9kaU79NPb-I8j_QWwOJaZ9DUvWdaoM3u_EI6H_S9Iy6SI_k

   “When it comes to the threat of Islamist terrorism, no one doubts the role of radicalisation. The internet, hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary and Abu Hamza, and the western-armed, extremism-exporting state of Saudi Arabia: all play their part in radicalising the impressionable. When it comes to the far right, however, this consensus is absent. The reason for this is as obvious as it is chilling: the hate preachers, recruiting sergeants and useful idiots of rightwing extremism are located in the heart of the British, European and American establishments. They are members of the political and media elite.”

   we really do need to have a conversation about this at some stage, no matter the hurt. Cause it ain’t going away anytime soon.
   • Ad 9.1

     28 March 2019 at 9:29 pm

     Are you saying that the leadership of the Arabian states and Iranian states are not hate-mongering extremists?

     The hurt is well shared, the evidence rich and deep.
     • lprent 9.1.1

       29 March 2019 at 8:41 am

       Are you saying that the leadership of the Arabian states and Iranian state

       This isn’t just a Islamic thing. All of the people without faith always have to consider any organisation and the people following them who goes for “do as I say rather than fo as I do”.

       What you see in the Arab states is, to me, little different from what I see in the Israeli state, or in the secular religious states like China.

       And Christianity has lonv history of doing the same.

       I often think exactly what you think about Iran of the US as well. That was a probably the state founded most deeply as a Christian state. With its weaponry, deep faith populations and wealth – it remains a threat.

       Probably its saving grace was that it founded after the reformation. As a result of the massive wars and repressions that erupted from that, it built a certain amount of secularism directly into its laws.

       With Christianity, it gets hard to look past its long history of religiously justified slavery and colonization even before you look at religious actions covert and overt against neighbours – especially variants of it’s own faith. It is after all why we don’t have the Byzantines any more.

       Personally I’d prefer that most faiths and the people adhering to them would concentrate on their own behaviours rather than judging that of others. It’d be a whole lot more inspiring than what I usually see.
     • Sabine 9.1.2

       29 March 2019 at 4:42 pm

       No what i am saying is that we have discussed the Arabs and their problems and their terrorists continuously since the longest of time.

       what we don’t like to speak about is our intervention ‘ to protect our interests’ in their political life, their economies, their self determination and if all fails our intervention at the point of a gun, invading whom ever we consider ‘roque’. I.e. Venezuela, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, various countries in Africa, South America, the overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran leading to the regime now, the war on drugs, and so on and so on.
       We in fact know how hate, racism, and terror is created, we do a lot of this creation anywhere on this planet and we then exploit these acts to our advantage.

       Now what we don’t speak about is why some 28 year old, well to do, ordinary average bloke, with average looks n height, is so fucked up that he believes that the only thing good about him is his color of skin, his european desendency and his believe that white means might and that he would kill for that. Why this guy fears he is being ‘replaced’ by others. We don’t speak about people in our media that dehumanizes others on the grounds of their virtue – single mothers, income – low income workers, their social status – useless benefit bludgers, or nudge nudge wink wink – brown people. We don’t even speak about our own fears of the ‘others’. WE are nice and polite and don’t speak his name, and don’t read his words, and don’t discuss how this guy could live among us. Cause fact is his white skin is according him many privileges that any brown, muslim 28 year old bloke never had.

       And we should discuss it. We really should.
   • Drowsy M. Kram 9.2

     28 March 2019 at 11:18 pm

     The stench of ‘white extremism’ has been (far) right under NZ noses for a while, but Islam/Muslims!!

     Sabine’s excellent quote points to the need for a clear-headed, unbiased approach to terrorist threat analyses in NZ – hopefully the Royal Commission of Inquiry will reveal just how even-handed (or not) the NZ GCSB/SIS/NAB et al. have been.

     “It is important that no stone is left unturned to get to the bottom of how this act of terrorism occurred and what, if any, opportunities we had to stop it” – Ardern

     https://www.euronews.com/2019/03/25/new-zealand-pm-announces-public-inquiry-into-mosque-attacks
   • Stuart Munro. 9.3

     28 March 2019 at 11:41 pm

     The process should not be so terribly difficult, if we start with violent fringe spaces like 8Chan and parts of the dark web I wot not of.

     I’m not sure Facebook has deserved all of its condemnation, but some care in moderation there seems not especially hurtful.

     The modus operandi of recruiters or creators of violent fanatics are reasonably well documented. I venture to suggest that web literate analysts like Wikileaks or Bellingcat could readily produce a risk assessment profile of web forums with some predictive validity.
     • joe90 9.3.1

       29 March 2019 at 12:43 am

       if we start with violent fringe spaces

       Start with the Churches and the end times extremists baying for a body count so they can get themselves all raptured AF, I reckon.

       The first time I remember hearing Islam equated with terrorism from the pulpit, I was a 17-year-old junior at Heritage Christian School in Indianapolis, where my mom was—still is, in fact—an elementary teacher. It was 1998, long before Islamophobia seized the Western mainstream. My family attended a small, nondenominational evangelical church in the suburb of Carmel, where my dad was the music pastor.

       “A good Muslim,” our head pastor, Marcus Warner, intoned that Sunday morning, “should want to kill Christians and Jews.” He insisted that this was the only conclusion possible from a serious reading of the Quran. As a doubting young evangelical who would later become an agnostic, this extreme statement made me uncomfortable even then. Today, in the wake of the shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, it should be considered every bit as offensive as the worst anti-Semitic tropes

       https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/26/americas-islamophobia-is-forged-in-the-pulpit/
       • Stuart Munro. 9.3.1.1

         29 March 2019 at 2:46 am

         Contemporary terrorists are as likely to be radicalized in chatrooms as churches or mosques, but condemning all chatrooms or churches or mosques would be neither reasonable nor effective.

         For all that seems to have been true in the case of America’s worst contemporary terrorist, George Bush, reasonable numbers of shooters fit the profile of deculturized and disaffected persons. These are rarely members of thriving churches, which can provide a kind of social contact that is antithetical to murderous nihilism.

         Somewhere along the way elite understanding of the role of churches seems to have been lost – they were once the social institutions that provided the kind of guidance or role modeling the likes of Jordan Peterson identify as being missing in contemporary society. Anthropologically speaking almost no society is without them in some form. Unable to cope with the pace of social change, their demise has created a void into which all kinds of lesser and less wholesome mysticisms and enthusiasms proliferate.

         That said, the wilder US churches are pretty out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBVcsWYJd8
         • RedLogix 9.3.1.1.1

           29 March 2019 at 5:29 am

           Somewhere along the way elite understanding of the role of churches seems to have been lost – they were once the social institutions that provided the kind of guidance or role modeling

           A point I’ve gently made here many, many times over the years … at the same time it’s been open slather for atheists to mock, smear, attack and generally denigrate what we believe in. There are examples of this even on threads this past week.

           And you know what? We accept this as part of the open discourse necessary in a tolerant, healthy society. And you’ll notice that long term regulars here like Ad and myself who have made it clear we do have a religious faith, also go about our participation here without openly pushing or promoting it onto others.

           What does have to be at least a little irksome is how selective this has become; suddenly Islam is being protected by all the woke radical lefties, a favour they never extended to Christianity (or any number of other faiths.)
       • Psycho Milt 9.3.1.2

         29 March 2019 at 9:04 am

         It was 1998, long before Islamophobia seized the Western mainstream.

         It seems so to them because they were young at the time. Those of us who were adults at the time of the Rushdie fatwa have been familiar with Islam as a source of terrorism since the late 1980s. And I presume I’m only putting that date on it because I was young at the time myself, and it goes back further.
10. greywarshark 10

    28 March 2019 at 9:41 pm

    Police in France answer to:
    Policing is centralized at the national level.[1] Recently, legislation has allowed local governments to hire their own police officers which are called the “police municipale”.[1]

    There are two national police forces called “Police nationale” and “Gendarmerie nationale”. The Prefecture of Police of Paris provides policing services directly to Paris as a subdivision of France’s Ministry of the Interior.
    Within these national forces only certain designated police officers have the power to conduct criminal investigations which are supervised by investigative magistrates.

    National civilian police Force – major cities and large urban areas – under the Ministry of the Interior. Police Nationale.
    Gendarmerie is part of the French armed forces and responsible for smaller towns and rural areas and important national locations. Its civil duties are under the
    Ministry of the Interior and the rest are under the Ministry of Defence. Gendarmerie Nationale.

    Local police of towns and cities, are under the oversight of Mayors. They can notice breaches but cannot investigate. There are also local police in the rural zones. Police municipale.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_France

    Police in NZ answer to:
    The current Minister of Police is Stuart Nash. While the New Zealand Police is a government department with a minister responsible for it, the Commissioner and sworn members swear allegiance directly to the Sovereign and, by convention, have constabulary independence from the government of the day.

    The New Zealand Police is perceived to have a minimal level of institutional corruption.[2][3]
    wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Police

    There is also an investigating body Independent Police Conduct Authority
    https://www.ipca.govt.nz/

    If members of the police swear allegiance to the Crown only, and by convention?
    have constabulary independence from the government of the day, I think it is time
    to break that convention. There needs to be an Ombudsman type authority that watches and to whom they are beholden, who then reports to Parliament as a whole not just the government of the day. The Police Minister would also report to the ‘Ombudsman’ but be involved on a day-to-day basis and they would brief him and answer his/her questions.

    Police as a business? There seems a whiff of that:
    Praise or complain about Police…
    We will pass your comments on to the employee and their supervisor. … Write to or visit the officer in charge of any police station Find your nearest police station.
    https://www.police.govt.nz/contact-us/praise-and-complain

    Would it be better to have the decisions made about cases made by independent experienced magistrates used to working in the criminal and fraud field?
    • In Vino 10.1

      29 March 2019 at 8:14 pm

      Good points. Probably: Yes, it would, but few Kiwis will care enough to advocate…
11. Another View 11

    29 March 2019 at 6:11 pm

    When will there be a post about the Anti Semitic views that are being expressed, such as last weekend:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/jews-outraged-after-mosque-leader-blames-mossad-for-christchurch-attack.html

    For many, anti Semitism is Hate Speech – something this site is big on but seems to turn a blind eye to when Jews and Israel is involved.

    Hate Speech = racism, this needs to be addressed especially for those “Jew Baiters” here and elsewhere.
    • In Vino 11.1

      29 March 2019 at 8:22 pm

      Well, for one thing, that is such a wild conspiracy theory that few believe it, so why bother?
      For another thing, blame game has not seen as appropriate to date..

      And your strange concern makes me wonder if you are pushing a political end – branding any criticism at all of Israeli Govt. policy as anti-Semitism?

      I personally do not believe Mossad were involved in this.

      OK?

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