Written By: - Date published: 11:06 am, October 23rd, 2008 - 30 comments
Categories: election 2008, youtube - Tags: , ,

UPDATE: The Pink Batts original is youtubed here.

30 comments on “Debtmonster ”

  1. What a scary green monster. Wonder who voted for it?

  2. DeeDub 2

    Absolutely brilliant!

  3. vidiot 3

    The student loan repayment threshold is $18,148 for the 2009 tax year. The threshold is adjusted in April each year.

    wtf, the amount they can earn is adjusted for inflation each year ! How dare they do that for them and not for us regular tax payers !

    And $18K is 28 hours a week at min wage. If you can’t get a higher paying job than that, what was the point of doing your degree ? Harden up.

  4. Nick 4

    Replacing student debt with taxpayer debt is no solution.

    And it’s taxpayer debt because for every $1 the students get by way of universal allowance is a corresponding $1 owed by me to the government to finance it.

  5. DeeDub 5

    And it’s ALL about YOU, Nick! Good grief!

  6. Chris G 6


    Couple of points though, as I myself am a student:

    Universal Allowance – great idea because it will inevitably allow people who previously couldn’t afford Uni or were on the margin to go, fantastic for social justice etc.

    CERTAIN students who complain about debt – I have no sympathy for, simply because a number of middle class people go to uni and you know what they do: Lay back and take the debt year after year, I’ve seen it with my own eyes in my two years so far at Uni. Example: I flat with 6 guys, 12 other guys are our neighbours. We ALL come from middle class or above families yet all of them are indiscriminately lumping debt on themselves: Taking $2000 overdrafts at their banks so they are in a constant state of being in the red, Borrowing $150 a week from the government, Borrowing $1000 a year on course related (Yeah Right) costs.

    Do you know why they continue to borrow and Always complain how much their in debt. Because out of the 18 aforementioned people, only 3!!!!! yes thats right 3 of us work part time to keep ourselves a) slightly independent from our folks and b) keep ourselves afloat in terms of $. Why the hell all of them aren’t working is beyond me. This should serve in No Way as ammo for tories to say why a universal student allowance is a bad idea, citing the reasons of why I support it (as above) The solution to student debt is called teaching your kids to roll up their f**n sleeves and doing some work while your at uni PLUS a universal student allowance.

  7. Chris G 7

    I’m sorry, how short sighted and obvious was your comment:

    “And it’s taxpayer debt because for every $1 the students get by way of universal allowance is a corresponding $1 owed by me to the government to finance it.”

    Do you understand how taxes work?…. You know thats how it works with all your tax money right? amazingly, it goes somewhere.

    Also, you say it like its not worth investing in education? Do you not see the merits in getting rid of student debt/ allowing people with very little money who previously couldnt go to uni to actually get a level of higher education? oh wait thats right, you tories dont give a toss about those who cant afford things. Well done Nick.

  8. Tane 8

    Nick, sounds a bit like socialism to me. Dreadful, isn’t it?

  9. “The solution to student debt is called teaching your kids to roll up their f**n sleeves and doing some work”

    Impossible in the socialist doctrine universities.

  10. DeeDub 10

    D4J: “Impossible in the socialist doctrine universities.”

    Yes, let’s ban all ‘socialist doctrine’ in our universities! What???

    Actually, can you show me a prospectus from a university in NZ teaches ‘socialist doctrine’ at the exclusion of other ‘doctrines’???

  11. Chris G 11

    Im sorry but dad4justice, your all about parenting and dads rights etc.
    Don’t tell me your gonna wuss out about what I said, you just said that its impossible to teach your kids some good work ethic … because of a university!
    Im gonna tell you to Harden Up – avoiding expletives.

    Take heed of what I say because I see around me students who are LAZY, im sorry but does that come from a UNIVERSITY and your dislike of socialism? or does that come from an upbringing where Daddy Lawyer and Mummy at home gave you all you needed on a platter and never taught you that Hard Work pays off!

    Get your quitter attitude outta here.

  12. How come you got such a bee in your bonnet about “daddy lawyer and mummy” when the Labour Party is stacked with lawyers and university types?

    [lprent: What lawyers? Offhand I can only think of about two and maybe three out of 49. One of those is a academic]

  13. Chris G 13

    You avoiding my point proves what I said. Thanks pal

    I dont have a bee in my bonnet about daddy lawyer, ive got a problem with the ones who give everything to their kids (As I just said) on a platter and ENCOURAGE the laziness that I observe. Now your response to that was from all I can see, nothing.

    You talk about parenting and in particular the EMPOWERMENT of dads etc. but just disgraced yourself by saying you wouldnt teach your kids to work hard and avoid being lazy because you think universities are too socialist. Your a joke mate.

  14. John Stevens 14

    $1 of allowance is more like $1.10 that will need to be collected in tax as the allowance will have some costs involved.

    I was lucky, my last year at Uni was 1989, the last ‘free’ year. The cost was ~$500 to go to uni etc. The next year the cost rose to ~$1500.

    However, I got a degree in science which I still use today in employment.

    I reckon we have too many degrees now and the older proper degrees are now devalued as it seems every institution can call itself a university and graduates are sometimes not that clever at all and you wonder how the F&#k they got a degree as they could’t in the old days.

    Also, before you go to Uni you should do a cost analysis, what will the payback be and how long will it take to pay the debt back.

    [lprent: Cool – now I can take you off moderation. Looks like you probably aren’t a troll. But I think you’re probably under-stating the handling costs.]

  15. My kids are none of your concern. You are the socialist joke, have another lecture on the benefits of feminism.

  16. Chris G 16

    dad4justice, You, sir, are showing the same traits of the people who you tories so deplore ‘dole bludgers with their quitter mentality’ You are refusing to,change your situation, or accept that other parents should change theirs because of circumstance. That quite frankly, is sad.

    By the way, ill continue studying for my economics exam tomorrow which is BY Far the most right-wing bias topic I have ever encountered (Its like watching FOX news), Hah!

    Im done with this convo, people can judge for themselves who embarrassed himself.

  17. Joanna 17

    I agree with Chris,
    I worked my way through my undergrad and so did most of my friends. The few that didn’t complained the most about debt (and in the majority of cases, got the worst grades – go figure).

    However I wholeheartedly support a universal allowance. That some people have to work (and be disadvantaged in their study compared to people with parental or studylink support) or borrow to live is absurd.

    Generally the entire tertiary education system need more money. Universities should be focused on producing the best research possible and teaching to the highest standards, not “bums on seats” to makes ends meet. My experience of NZ Unis is they tread this fine line very well, the staff are extrondinarily dedicated and passionate but it gets harder each year.

  18. “You are refusing to,change your situation”

    Quite the contrary if the truth be known. Don’t fall off to many university high horses Chris G.

  19. Nick 19

    Chris, I’m no Tory let me assure you.

    And the remark about selfishness could equally apply to the students who think it is all about *them* and that how the rest of NZ owes *them* a life and owes *them* an education.

    Ideally we should have a choice between a full allowance and limited capacity to earn above that (the current situation), or a lower allowance threshold but no limits on how much you can earn. Students could have an option which is best for them.

    Why should students who can work and study be penalised for being able to pay their own way?

  20. Chris G 20


    Your first comment basically read: “I am not willing to give money to students” and showed how you view taxes or thought they worked.

    “selfishness could equally apply to the students who think it is all about *them* and that how the rest of NZ owes *them* a life and owes *them* an education”

    Goodness knows where those students are, but if you find One, ill give them a rark up for you. Ive never heard students talk like that, only examples of selfishness ive seen is lazy students who dont work off their debt when they can and then complain about it.

    If anything I find it amusing and disheartening the people who have done well in life or benefited from free education back in the day (You?) who Conversely state “Why should I give money to *them* and why do I owe NZ something, why should I give money to education?”

    “Ideally we should have a choice between a full allowance and limited capacity to earn above that (the current situation), or a lower allowance threshold but no limits on how much you can earn. Students could have an option which is best for them.”

    Either way your still paying taxes towards tertiary education, weren’t you initially horrified by that?

  21. Nick 21

    Yes, I am against a universal allowance but I realise that it is now a reality should Labour be re-elected so *should* should have read *could*. I guess it’s about compromise now that ‘we’ve’ lost that one.

    My tertiary education cost me $20K and I worked part time all through it.

  22. That’s a brilliant vid, as is the CTU one. Hope they get shown on the news, although might be a bit long to show the whole thing.

  23. Positive and ambitious 23

    When I worked my way through university I had a job pumping gas at the weekend, earning $13/hr. In 1981 . Anyone care to tell me what a petroleum transfer engineer gets paid in 2008, 27 years later?

  24. Positive and ambitious 25

    Thanks dad…The Employment Contacts Act, more brilliant work from the party that would love to see wages drop.

  25. Positive and ambitious 26


  26. What’s a deadwood parasitic MP on these days?
    Disgusting bastards!!!

  27. Positive and ambitious 28

    Thinking on this further, $12.80 looks like a minimum wage job… if the nats had been in power the last 9 years, those poor gas pumping students would now be on about… $7 an hour… frightening.

  28. When you are on or so close to the minimum wage, you get a pay rise every time it is raised, then it can be difficult to feel empathy towards your employer for gratis. I know many people, old and young who work in this industry and their treatment on pay is the pits – employers even admit such to their employees.

    Staff training programmes promoting excellent customer service and attention to detail are a joke, it basically becomes a process of seeing how long you can string employees along before they quit. Some of people in this industry are far more skilled than the customers with which they deal, e.g. problem solving, negotiation, protecting the business’s interests, and put up with people who imply that they are the scum of the earth.

  29. You have to be skilled to earn heaps as Prime Ministers husband eh PP.
    Regards Peter

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Inquiry announced into school property
    The Government will conduct a Ministerial Inquiry to address problems with the school property system where the scope of property works planned was unrealistic and unaffordable. “The coalition Government has inherited a school property system bordering on crisis,” Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “There have been a number of cost escalations ...
    15 hours ago
  • New Chair for Guardians of NZ Superannuation
    Company director and investor John Williamson has been appointed as the new Chair of the Guardians of New Zealand Superannuation, the Crown entity that oversees the NZ Super Fund and the Elevate NZ Venture Capital Fund, Finance Minister Nicola Willis announced today.  Mr Williamson will take up his new position ...
    18 hours ago
  • Northland open for business as critical works to repair SH1 Brynderwyn Hills begin
    The Government is encouraging New Zealanders to support, visit, and explore Northland, as the closure and detour of SH1 at the Bryderwyn Hills begins, and critical repair work by the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) gets underway, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Many regions across the country suffered extensive and devastating ...
    19 hours ago
  • Government backs police to crackdown on gangs
    The coalition Government is restoring law and order by providing police new tools to crack down on criminal gangs, says Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith and Police Minister Mark Mitchell.  “Over the last five years gangs have recruited more than 3000 members, a 51 per cent increase. At the same time, ...
    2 days ago
  • Northland’s new Kāeo Bridge officially open
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed the official opening of the new State Highway 10 (SH10) Kāeo Bridge, which will improve safety and traffic flow for people heading to and from the Far North. “This is an important piece of infrastructure for the Northland region that will help members of ...
    3 days ago
  • Government grants $6.6 million to clean up old landfill sites
    The Government has granted $6.6 million to clean up four historic New Zealand landfill and dump sites vulnerable to extreme weather events and coastal erosion. At the BlueGreens Forum in Paihia today Environment Minister Penny Simmonds said that the Contaminated Sites Remediation Fund grants will go towards fixing former landfills ...
    3 days ago
  • Dry weather triggers extra support for farmers and growers across the top of the South Island
    The coalition Government is providing support for farmers and growers as dry conditions worsen across the top of the South Island. “Conditions on the ground across the Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts are now extremely dry and likely to get worse in the coming months,” Agriculture Minister Todd McClay said. ...
    4 days ago
  • Trade Minister heads to Abu Dhabi for key WTO negotiations
    Trade Minister Todd McClay travels to Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates for the 13th Ministerial Conference of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) today, to take up his role as Vice Chair of the negotiations. The Ministerial Conference is the highest decision-making body within the WTO and meets every ...
    4 days ago
  • Appointment round for King’s Counsel announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced an appointment round for King’s Counsel will take place in 2024. Appointments of King’s Counsel are made by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Attorney-General and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice. The Governor-General retains the discretion to appoint King’s Counsel in recognition ...
    4 days ago
  • Retiring Chief of Navy thanked for his service
    Defence Minister Judith Collins has thanked the Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral David Proctor, for his service as he retires from the Royal New Zealand Navy after 37 years. Rear Admiral Proctor will retire on 16 May to take up an employment opportunity in Australia.  “I would like to thank ...
    4 days ago
  • Indonesian Vice President to visit New Zealand
    Indonesia’s Vice President Ma’ruf Amin will visit New Zealand next week, the first here by an Indonesian leader since 2018, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has announced. “New Zealand and Indonesia have a strong partnership,” Mr Peters says.  “The Vice President’s visit is an opportunity to discuss how we can strengthen ...
    4 days ago
  • Government boost to fight against caulerpa
    The battle to contain the fast-spreading exotic caulerpa seaweed has today received a $5 million boost to accelerate the development of removal techniques, says Biosecurity Minister Andrew Hoggard.  “The time is now to really lean in and build on the work of Biosecurity New Zealand, mana whenua, communities and local ...
    4 days ago
  • Minister attending Australian data, digital meeting
    Minister for Digitising Government Judith Collins is in Sydney to attend the first Data and Digital Ministers’ Meeting of 2024.  “This is a great opportunity to connect with our Australian counterparts and identify how we can work together on digital transformation,” Ms Collins says.   “Both our nations are looking into ...
    5 days ago
  • Appointments to Antarctica New Zealand Board
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has appointed Leon Grice and Heather Simpson to serve on the Antarctica New Zealand board.  “Since taking office, the Coalition Government has become concerned about the direction of the Scott Base Redevelopment Project,” Mr Peters says.  “It is vital that Antarctica New Zealand has the right ...
    5 days ago
  • Strengthening the Single Economic Market
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis has met with Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers to discuss the opportunities to lower business costs and increase the ease with which businesses and people can operate across the Tasman.     “I have met with Treasurer Chalmers and shared our new Government’s ambitious economic goals, our plans ...
    5 days ago
  • Government to address business payment practices
    The Government will repeal the Business Payment Practices Act 2023, Small Business and Manufacturing Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “There is a major problem with large market players imposing long payment terms and routinely paying invoices late. “However, the Business Payment Practices Act is not an effective solution and would ...
    5 days ago
  • Greater focus on work will reduce child poverty
    Worsening child poverty rates support the Coalition Government’s focus on reducing the cost of living and getting people into work, Child Poverty Reduction Minister Louise Upston says. Figures released by Stats NZ today show child poverty rates have increased, with the rising cost of living, driven by inflation, making it ...
    5 days ago
  • NZ announces new support for Ukraine
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Judith Collins have marked two years since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by announcing further support and sanctions, and extending our military assistance. “Russia launched its illegal, full-scale invasion of Ukraine, in blatant violation of international law, including the UN Charter,” Mr Peters says. ...
    5 days ago
  • Finance Minister to meet Australian Treasurer
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to Australia today to meet her Australian counterpart, Treasurer Jim Chalmers.    “New Zealand and Australia have an incredibly strong trade and investment relationship. The Closer Economic Relations and Single Economic Market are powerful engines for growth on both sides of the Tasman.     “I will ...
    5 days ago
  • PM shocked and saddened at death of Efeso Collins
    “I am truly shocked and saddened at the news of Efeso Collins’ sudden death,” Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says. “Efeso was a good man, always friendly and kind, and a true champion and advocate for his Samoan and South Auckland communities. “Our thoughts and deepest sympathies go to his family, ...
    6 days ago
  • Greater support for social workers
    The Coalition Government is enhancing the professionalism of the social work sector and supporting the vulnerable people who rely on them, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says.  The Social Workers Registration Legislation Amendment Bill passed its third reading in Parliament today. It amends the Social Workers Registration Legislation ...
    7 days ago
  • Government delivers greater freedom and choice for sick New Zealanders
    The coalition government is delivering on its commitment to making principled decisions by getting rid of red tape that doesn’t make sense and allowing sick New Zealanders greater freedom and choice to purchase effective cold and flu medicines. A bill amending the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 is being introduced, and changes to the Medicines ...
    7 days ago
  • Government begins reset of welfare system
    The Coalition Government is taking early action to curb the surge in welfare dependency that occurred under the previous government by setting out its expectations around employment and the use of benefit sanctions, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. In 2017, 60,588 sanctions were applied to beneficiaries who ...
    1 week ago
  • State of the Nation
    Ka nui te mihi kia koutou. Kia ora, good morning, talofa, malo e lelei, bula vinaka, da jia hao, namaste, sat sri akal, assalamu alaikum. Thank you for coming to my first State of the Nation as Prime Minister. Thank you for coming to a speech where I don’t just ...
    1 week ago
  • West Coast tourism attractions officially open
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones will attend the official opening of two highly anticipated tourism projects on the West Coast today – Pike29 Memorial Track, dedicated to the memory of the Pike River miners, and Pounamu Pathway. “The Pike29 Memorial Track is a way to remember and honour the men ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Independent ferry service advisory group in place
    Appointments to the Ministerial Advisory Group tasked with providing independent advice and assurance on the future of KiwiRail’s inter-island ferry service have been made, State Owned Enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “It’s important for New Zealand that KiwiRail is focused on ensuring safe, resilient, and reliable ferry services over the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Joint statement from the Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada, and New Zealand
    The Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on reports of Israel’s planned military operation in Rafah. We are gravely concerned by indications that Israel is planning a ground offensive into Rafah.   A military operation into Rafah would be catastrophic. About 1.5 million Palestinians ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt will deliver on expanded breast screening
    The coalition Government has made the first steps in delivering on its promise to  extend free breast screening to women aged 70-74, Health Minister Shane Reti says. “As part of the 100 day plan, the Government has now met with officials and discussed what is needed in order for the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government announces woolshed roadshows in support of sheep farmers
    The Government celebrates National Lamb Day (15 February 24) and congratulates sheep farmers on the high-quality products they continue to produce. Agriculture Minister McClay hosted bipartisan celebrations of National Lamb Day with industry representatives at Parliament this week to mark the anniversary of the first frozen lamb exports that left ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Speech: Address to the NZ Economics Forum
    It’s great to be back at the New Zealand Economics Forum. I would like to acknowledge everyone here today for your expertise and contribution, especially the Pro Vice-Chancellor, Head of the Waikato Management School, economists, students and experts alike. A year has passed since I was last before you, and ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government tackling high construction costs
    The Government is focused on reducing sky-high construction costs to make it more affordable to build a home, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says.  Stats NZ data shows the cost of building a house has increased by 41 per cent since 2019, making housing even more unaffordable for Kiwi ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Three Waters legislation repealed
    The Coalition Government’s legislative plan to address longstanding issues with local water infrastructure and service delivery took an important step today, with the repeal of Labour’s divisive and unpopular Three Waters legislation, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “Repealing this legislation is a necessary first step in implementing our Local ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Cost of living support for beneficiary households
    The Coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to ease the cost-of-living by increasing main benefit rates in line with inflation and ensuring the Minimum Family Tax Credit threshold remains aligned with this change, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. The Social Security (Benefits Adjustment) and Income Tax ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government announces agriculture delegations to better support Primary sector
    The coalition Government has announced ministerial delegations to support key areas across the Primary sector to deliver for New Zealand’s food and fibre sector, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced today. “I will be supported in my roles as Minister of Agriculture, Trade, Forestry and Hunting and Fishing, by three Associate ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Waikato MoU reinforces Govt’s commitment to increase NZ doctors
    The Government has taken an important step forward in addressing a critical shortage of New Zealand-trained doctors, with today’s signing of a Memorandum of Understanding for a third medical school, Minister of Health Dr Shane Reti has announced.  “Today’s signing by the Ministry of Health and the University of Waikato ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Speech – Lunar New Year 2024
    Annyeonghaseyo, greetings and welcome all. It is my pleasure as the Minister for Ethnic Communities to welcome you to the first Lunar New Year Event in Parliament. Thank you to our emcees for greeting us in the different languages that represent the many cultures that celebrate the Lunar New Year. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More funding to Hawke’s Bay and Tairāwhiti
    Urgent work to clean-up cyclone-affected regions will continue, thanks to a $63 million boost from the Government for sediment and debris removal in Hawke’s Bay and Tairāwhiti.                                                                                                   The funding will help local councils continue urgent work removing and disposing of sediment and debris left from Cyclone Gabrielle.   “This additional ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Budget will be delivered on 30 May
    Plans to deliver tax relief to hard-working New Zealanders, rebuild business confidence and restore the Crown’s finances to order will be unveiled on 30 May, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The plans will be announced in the Budget which is currently being developed by Ministers.  “The last government’s mismanagement of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government advances Local Water Done Well
    The Coalition Government is continuing work to restore council ownership and control of water assets by repealing Three Waters and appointing a Technical Advisory Group to provide expert advice on the implementation of Local Water Done Well, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “The Government will pass a bill to ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister congratulates NZQA Top Scholars
    Education Minister Erica Stanford congratulates the New Zealand Scholarship recipients from 2023 announced today.  “Receiving a New Zealand Scholarship is a fantastic achievement and is a testament to the hard work and dedication the recipients have put in throughout the year,” says Ms Stanford.  “New Zealand Scholarship tests not only ...
    3 weeks ago

Page generated in The Standard by Wordpress at 2024-02-26T18:04:55+00:00